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Hello Internet, I'm your husband and host
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Travis McElroy. And I'm your wife host Teresa
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McElroy. And you're listening to Schmanner's. It's
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extraordinary etiquette. For ordinary occasions, hello my
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doves. Hello dear. How are you? I'm
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well. Well
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rested? No. No. But
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now is the time of year here
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in Ohio. Is the
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season for pollen? Yes,
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a fall summer basically is what we have
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here. We hit about 80
0:57
degrees yesterday. But
0:59
we just have full spring. I know. And now
1:01
we're having a fall summer? Yep. It'll
1:04
get cooler again before actual summer.
1:07
But this is the time right before
1:09
school gets out in
1:12
about a month or two. We've got to do something about
1:14
this climate, if you ask me. Where
1:16
people start to plan their summer
1:19
vacay. Oh man. It
1:22
all runs together for me. Yeah. Here's the
1:24
thing. I don't know if you know this. Outside
1:27
of being a student, and
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I don't even know teachers. I'm sure they do stuff
1:32
during this. I don't think teachers
1:34
get three months off. I
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think that there is this programming that happens
1:39
when you are basically four
1:42
to 22 if you go to college
1:45
or beyond or whatever. Where
1:47
you're like, well the way life works
1:49
is there's nine months of doing hard
1:51
work. And then you get three
1:53
months of just whatever you want to do. I can't
1:55
wait till I'm a grown up with money. I'm going
1:58
to spend that three months just like. I
2:00
don't know, partying or whatever. And
2:02
then what you find out is
2:06
when you're grown up, that
2:08
doesn't happen because most jobs
2:11
you work. Every
2:13
day. And especially if you're lucky
2:15
you get vacation time. Even
2:18
especially if you have kids and
2:20
then you think oh my
2:22
kids will be home but then
2:24
you can't, there's camps. The kids
2:26
want to do stuff. I know
2:29
right? Oh boy. If you were
2:31
in pre-railroad
2:33
Europe, you
2:36
would have to do something. I mean if you were
2:38
rich. Oh okay. They
2:40
call it the Grand
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Tour. Okay, okay.
2:46
This is interesting because when you
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told me we'd be talking about
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Grand Tours, it does conjure a
2:53
certain image of
2:57
what you were describing, of a certain
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privilege, subset of
3:03
a thing. But there's also a part of
3:05
me that thinks of it in terms of
3:07
touring, like going on live shows and concerts
3:09
and stuff like that. I know that's not
3:12
yet. But it feels like
3:14
a, I don't
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know, I don't know what it is. I
3:18
think like I conjure the image but I
3:20
don't know what goes into it. I'll tell
3:22
you about it. Oh thank goodness. That's how
3:24
the show works. Yeah
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that's how the show works. From
3:30
the 17th through the 19th
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centuries, it was tradition. 1600
3:35
to 1800. Yes. For the upper
3:37
craft, British men who
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had come of age, which was usually
3:41
about 21, to
3:43
travel across Europe. Oh
3:46
like back, they'd backpack across Europe? No.
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Oh no and it wasn't it wasn't
3:50
actually Europe. It
3:52
was a couple, it was like the same two countries.
3:56
Oh okay. So it
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was meant a rich to
4:00
showcase the best of what European culture
4:02
had to offer so
4:04
that they could return to London as
4:06
well-rounded gentlemen of the world. Even
4:10
though this year to four year excursion. I
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know, depending on how rich you are and how fast
4:17
you go. Four years? Oh
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boy. If you don't go very fast, you could
4:22
last a long time. Just imagine if
4:24
someone was like, hey, could you take me on
4:26
a tour of this museum? I'm like, yeah, of
4:28
course. Do you have a couple hours? No, no,
4:30
no, sorry. I needed to be a four year
4:32
tour. What? Usually.
4:35
I live here now, like in the mixed
4:37
up files of Mrs. Basily Frankenweiler. It would
4:39
be chasing women and complaining
4:41
about wine that wasn't from their family's
4:44
estate. Oh, okay. Or
4:46
chasing wine and complaining about women. Certainly.
4:49
That feels like that's most of
4:51
Ernest Hemingway's books. Yes, it does.
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Hey, listen, I'm gonna throw the
4:55
gauntlet down. Give me mixed up
4:57
files of Mrs. Basily Frankenweiler over
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anything written by Ernest Hemingway ever.
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We don't have, so the
5:04
idea was through this
5:06
excursion, you would be
5:08
educated firsthand on classical
5:10
antiquities and the Renaissance,
5:12
right? Okay, so this is why, because this
5:14
comes up a lot. I like to listen
5:16
to a lot of period, like murder mysteries.
5:19
And this happens a lot where they
5:21
talk about like, you
5:24
know, young men going places to learn
5:26
about these things as you've described. Okay,
5:28
this is why it's familiar. Right, and
5:31
so this was before the comforts of
5:33
modern day travel, right? So pre-railroad, which
5:35
meant it had to be by
5:37
boat, on foot, by horse and carriage. Or
5:40
jetpack. No, no
5:42
jetpacks. And
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because it was so difficult to get around,
5:46
that's probably why they only went to two
5:48
countries. Okay. So you would start in England,
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you would get a
5:55
carriage to Dover, where you would get on a boat, and
5:58
you would go to France. Oh, it's gonna be my guess,
6:00
yes. Learning French
6:02
customs and dances and general French things
6:04
because those were always in vogue, even
6:07
though Britain was intermittently
6:09
at war. Doesn't matter.
6:11
Anyway. And no matter when
6:13
people have had beef with France and with
6:15
England, I mean, but still, I've
6:18
always been couture. After
6:20
Paris, of course, you would go down
6:22
the countryside to Lyon and
6:25
then you would continue south to Italy.
6:27
See, that was gonna be, yes. That feels right,
6:29
yes. There you would
6:31
hit Venice and Florence and then
6:33
the ultimate destination
6:36
was Rome, right? So
6:38
you could go to like Pompeii or Herculium or
6:41
whatever it was and then you would go home.
6:43
Well, at this point, you gotta remember people at
6:45
home, there wasn't TV shows to talk about. Some
6:47
people needed stuff to talk about at parties. So
6:50
they would go to Rome and then talk about,
6:52
like, I saw this vase and that was like,
6:54
that could get them through a couple years of
6:56
small talk. Or the British at this time
6:58
were really good at taking those things back home
7:00
with them. Yeah. A
7:03
thing that they've continued to be pretty good at. I
7:06
would say at this point, they've mastered the skill of
7:08
keeping those things. Yeah, finders keepers is
7:10
the ultimate. Well, stealers keepers, because
7:12
sometimes those things weren't lost. They
7:15
were there. People looked at them
7:17
and they said, I like looking at this,
7:19
but who can stand traveling back and forth?
7:21
I know, I'll take this back with me.
7:23
And jumping back to our leave no trace,
7:25
that was sad. I would say, don't
7:28
take souvenirs. So depending
7:31
on how intense your travel schedule
7:34
was, and of course how
7:36
fabulously wealthy you were, some
7:39
people did modify that itinerary,
7:42
but most didn't. So
7:44
it would be kind of like a
7:46
bunch of like college aged, pompous British
7:48
lads going to France, which
7:51
like I said, everyone hated, and then going
7:53
to Italy. Well, they hate France, but they also love
7:55
France. And then going to Italy, Where
7:58
people got drunk and chased women. It and
8:00
the is am. Let's
8:02
say Frat Bros. Young Warfare.
8:05
It's It is so entertaining to
8:08
think that they colonized half the
8:10
planet. And. Yet really could only make
8:12
it to the two countries closest to them
8:14
now. Hold on the safe, ramblas, puzzles
8:16
and will probably also pompous would be
8:19
poetic. A photo of them are laughably.
8:21
Lord Byron did make these lawyers and
8:23
they weren't on songs. Some of them
8:26
are worse than Boys with Aziz where
8:28
they would be like hey, A
8:31
sea of things but also I would like the
8:33
best of everything and I my daddy's paying for
8:35
it. By. The Mint seventeen Hundreds.
8:38
This grand tour had become such
8:40
a regular feature of aristocratic education
8:42
that it with looked upon as
8:44
a educational rite of passage. Close
8:47
club or have ah. You know,
8:49
not only for the Brits, but also from. Other
8:52
wealthy people of Central Europe rights
8:54
and it was one of the
8:56
reasons that. Me: not women. Who.
8:59
Know he throw know Boyzone no
9:01
not women boys only noise own
9:03
ways do so are the only
9:06
I think is is nice During
9:08
that time period of finally something
9:10
was just for the men my
9:12
honorary finally. Just for
9:14
the Memphis one. And because it was
9:17
so well established that everyone did this,
9:19
this is where you often made a
9:21
lot of your connections. Right where you
9:23
met the Hapsburgs or whatever it as
9:25
right arm and so. Are the have
9:28
nots bird rare? Okay for this is
9:30
because you do get a lot of
9:32
like. Once again, and like
9:34
period works right where learns a book
9:36
starts with the person being twenty five,
9:38
right? Yeah, just return home time to
9:40
make a person of themselves right? Exactly.
9:42
There's a lot of like are shared
9:44
a carriage with this person and that's
9:46
how I know them a lot. I'm.
9:49
definitely definitely so with
9:51
the rise of industrialization
9:53
in the nineteenth century
9:55
the gilded age of
9:57
americans new though reese
9:59
one to join this party. That's
10:01
a much bigger trek though. I
10:03
mean definitely. I saw a TikTok guest
10:06
recently, oh it wasn't yesterday, and it doesn't matter.
10:08
No one's testing me, they're not going to check.
10:11
That was about like, it was a British dude who
10:13
was like, hey I just got back from like a
10:15
two month vacation, or you know, trip
10:18
to America. Everybody
10:20
needs to back off the Americans for not
10:22
being well traveled. Do you know how long
10:24
it takes to get from just one state
10:26
to the other? Very very true.
10:29
But these nouveau riche, right,
10:33
this is how again, they
10:35
would make connections, they would
10:37
gain exposure, and this supposed
10:40
like sophistication
10:42
that they gained from going to Europe wasn't
10:45
just to better themselves,
10:48
but it was to make them
10:50
look better in American society as
10:52
well, because things like he's spending
10:54
some time in France, right, makes
10:57
you seem more legit. Yeah,
10:59
also, if we're going to
11:01
be brutally honest, I can't
11:05
imagine they were, let's put it politely,
11:08
well behaved. And
11:10
so if your 22 year old son is
11:12
going to get in trouble, is
11:15
going to maybe sow his wild oats,
11:17
as one might say, better
11:19
to do it over there, where
11:21
people aren't going to gossip about it back here
11:24
as much. Whereas if he's
11:26
doing that in town, everyone's going to know it's
11:28
going to be hard to marry him off. That's
11:30
the thought. But if you let him
11:33
do that over in France, and then come
11:35
back, and you're like, yes, he was over
11:37
there studying antiquities and paintings, and they're like,
11:39
okay. Sure he was. Like
11:42
you, there were people who were incredulous
11:44
about this, this so called
11:47
grand tour of two other
11:49
countries. I mean, you say
11:51
that there's probably a list of just right now who are like,
11:53
I don't know, man, I haven't been to other countries. But
11:55
that's the thing. Why is it
11:57
called a grand tour? Two places
11:59
doesn't really. really like evoke grand
12:02
to me? No, this I will give
12:04
you because as someone who goes on
12:06
tour myself, the idea of saying like,
12:08
for example, coming up, I think in
12:11
May, I was saying like, yes, it's
12:13
an international tour. We're going
12:15
to Vancouver. And we're going, it's like,
12:17
okay, hold on. Technically,
12:19
yes. But no, it's
12:22
Tacoma, Washington and Vancouver. And it's
12:24
like, yeah, our internet, it's all
12:26
over the globe. People
12:28
cited that because it was such
12:31
an established route, that
12:33
it lacked adventure and made it
12:35
frankly, pretty boring. Right.
12:37
It seems like school. Yeah,
12:39
you're talking about education. Writer
12:42
Jean Gao Hart also observed that
12:44
while the experience was supposed to
12:46
be about cultural expansion, usually
12:49
wound up enforcing the stereotypes that
12:51
the Travers already carried with them,
12:53
such as the French or courteous.
12:57
That was at the time that was well,
12:59
because of all of the etiquette, you
13:02
know, how you had to have the
13:04
certain type of bow and the certain type. Okay,
13:06
that's just not the that's
13:08
not the stereotype. No, not that they're
13:11
not that they're kind and welcoming. Oh,
13:13
they have an overly polite society. Yeah.
13:16
Okay. The Spanish are
13:18
Lordly, the Italians are Amorous, the
13:20
Germans are clownish. Right. That
13:22
was kind of like what they thought about other countries
13:24
at the time. Americans
13:26
are so peaceful. Right. Yes.
13:30
No. Quiet, easy going. They said we'd be there.
13:34
People started to really think
13:37
critically of this touring because
13:39
instead of like a
13:42
cultural exchange, it
13:44
turned into the aristocracy kind of
13:46
leering at the
13:49
differences between people. And
13:52
so, you know, it's it's
13:55
so funny that people would
13:57
say that Italy, like the south of
13:59
Italy was beautiful. beautiful and
14:01
the countryside amazing. But
14:04
then they would say that in
14:06
the same breath that the people there
14:08
were backward and allergic to progress that
14:11
filled with loud, quote, unruly men and
14:13
loose, passionate women. Okay. Yeah,
14:15
right? Yeah, right. I also
14:18
have to imagine that if it was me,
14:20
right, and like my older brother was about to go off
14:22
or something, I'd be like, hey, hold
14:24
on. We're about to fund this fool's vacation
14:26
for four years, you don't think? We could
14:28
maybe spend that money on something
14:31
better. I'm saying, listen, guys, we're all super rich. We
14:33
get that. But you
14:35
don't think. Maybe we could
14:37
spend this on something more important or hook
14:39
him up with, I don't know, government position
14:41
or whatever with that money. I don't know, man.
14:44
Again, another critique of this
14:47
is that what if the
14:50
grand tour ungentlemen
14:53
their good sweet boys? Okay.
14:58
It was completely accepted at this time
15:01
that people were nervous to send their
15:03
sons on tours because what if they
15:05
became too European? What
15:09
if they returned barefoot and long
15:11
haired, having forgotten all of their
15:13
hard learned manners? Or bare
15:15
haired and long footed. What
15:18
if they love France too much?
15:21
Oh, man. What
15:23
would happen to these sweet British boys
15:26
and their good sweet British stuffiness? And
15:28
then you have to come home and they're doing
15:30
affected accents. Can you
15:32
imagine smoking their long weird
15:34
cigarettes, I don't know. It
15:37
did, at the time of the Industrial
15:40
Revolution, fall out of fashion, partly because
15:43
once capitalism entered the chat,
15:46
there was less time to appreciate art and the
15:48
boys of the aristocracy would have more
15:50
things to do than just going around
15:52
Europe, like you said. And also,
15:54
Let's be honest, once you get into
15:57
railroads and stuff and Industrial Revolution, it
15:59
becomes more exciting. That the ball he exam
16:01
already bought? Yeah that it's less bragging rights you
16:03
like. As a rich I sent my son on
16:05
it is. I guess I don't. I like mama.
16:07
Yeah going. Once everyone's doing it, it's not
16:09
so exclusive. Yeah they just days yet
16:11
as been called Grandparents called me case.
16:13
And yet because what if
16:15
you did? Boys are surrounded
16:18
by illegally poor's lose. I
16:20
was oh poor people not P O R
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a mass because illegally poor he was our
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so anyway, the forger there,
17:25
whereas yes, So here
17:27
are some real tales of
17:29
realize. Boys. Being real life.
17:32
Little babies basically. We
17:34
thought a lot of this specific
17:37
silliness. From. Mary
17:39
Mcgillivray on you tube. Very fun!
17:41
Check it out! See actually followed
17:43
the old fashioned roots of the
17:45
grand Tour herself and gives historical
17:47
information on each place he visits
17:49
and how you would have interacted
17:51
with it if you were a
17:53
very ungrateful twenty two year olds.
17:56
Add. Some right because I haven't. seen
17:58
hundreds so Remember,
18:01
we mentioned that from
18:03
the beginning, you had
18:05
to travel from London, which was considered the
18:07
center of the universe, right, to
18:09
Dover to catch a boat. And this was
18:11
the first leg of the journey. Already
18:15
people complained. Well,
18:17
I was going to bet people complained
18:20
the whole way. Of course, but they started
18:22
the second they left. I mean, I've been
18:24
on 45-minute long plane trip for people of
18:26
complaints. In
18:28
1766, an author named Tobias
18:30
Smollett said that
18:33
along the road to Dover, quote,
18:35
the accommodation was cold and comfortless,
18:37
the beds paltry, the cooking exacerbable,
18:39
the wine poisoned, the
18:42
attendance bad. Wine was poisoned? The
18:44
publican's insolent and the
18:46
bill's extortion. Okay. He
18:49
goes on. That was real fun at parties. I
18:51
know, right? He goes on to say,
18:53
there is not a drop of tolerable
18:56
malt liquor to be had from London
18:58
to Dover. Okay. I
19:00
know. Then go home. He
19:03
was actually known as such a
19:05
grumpy traveler that his fellow grand
19:07
tourist named Lawrence Stern satirized him
19:09
in his own writings. Stern
19:11
created a character called Smelfungus. Oh
19:14
boy. He did nothing but complain
19:16
about his travels abroad. Oh boy. Okay.
19:19
Got him. Yeah. And
19:23
Smelfungus, incidentally, became so
19:25
widely popularized as a
19:27
term for grumpy travelers that
19:30
you could call other people a Smelfungus. Why'd we
19:32
stop? I don't know. I
19:34
don't know. Listen, I know you don't like
19:36
waiting in lines at Disney World, but stop
19:38
being such a Smelfungus. Yeah. Boom.
19:41
Roasted. We already talked about
19:44
the love-hate relationship between France and Britain,
19:46
right? But Paris was actually the most
19:48
popular tourist destination for Brits to
19:51
hate. Popular to go. Oh
19:53
yeah. Also really popular to hate it. The frenemies kind
19:55
of thing, right? In 1765, Horace Walpole Wrote
19:57
a. Paris
20:00
quote it is the ugliest
20:02
beastly as town. What he
20:05
universes of in the universe.
20:08
You don't know all the planets?
20:11
They. Might have grocer cities
20:13
I'm. Okay, in their
20:15
defense, Paris didn't look. Like.
20:18
It does now. Then why were they
20:20
go? when I know way one of
20:23
two things is true either he was
20:25
a cesspool. And. They were
20:27
all voluntarily going there and spending a lot
20:29
of money to get there or. Here.
20:31
Rules. And. They all complained
20:33
about it does seem cool. Is. One
20:35
of those two things. But it
20:38
is also well established that at the
20:40
time. Like. A lot of
20:42
big cities they didn't have a
20:44
sewage system either. London was rough
20:47
to god indeed indeed. I'm not
20:49
only that that the religious
20:51
differences did have a hand in
20:54
sir England with mostly protestant that
20:56
both France and and Italy had
20:58
deep catholic tradition com and so.
21:01
Going to these places to kind of
21:04
sneer at people also had a little
21:06
bit of a religious kind of flavor
21:08
to it. right? And there's some
21:10
xenophobia ma'am server though so there's
21:12
a lot more language sharing nowadays
21:15
are it's just like especially in
21:17
modern the age where you just
21:19
have to understand like if I'm
21:21
going to be did business with
21:23
multiple be will for multiple countries
21:25
right there, some language exchange or
21:27
a snap. At this point though,
21:29
there's probably a lot more of
21:31
like. A
21:34
language barrier stance. and if you're
21:36
sitting there your of power and
21:38
maybe. Some of the liked
21:40
the best. educated people were
21:42
educated incense. Yep, for what I'm
21:45
saying and Italian, there's no way their
21:47
accents were good. Okay, my hundred at
21:49
the end. It right us my mouth.
21:51
They might be able to converse to
21:53
like signed a bathroom and signed a
21:55
restaurant or whatever, but the idea of
21:57
like somebody correcting them. Somebody.
21:59
One. Laughing at a bad accident. Somebody.
22:02
Not understanding them or them not understanding
22:04
somebody else and all of that be
22:06
coming out there. Beasts server, that's. Exactly.
22:09
It was a great opportunity to
22:11
prove to yourself that you were
22:13
the best person's race I'm They
22:15
did spend a lot of. Money
22:17
of sir. I'm. One of the
22:19
traditions of this grand tour was the
22:22
second is that the Paris was to
22:24
go to a Parisienne taylor and immediately
22:26
order a brand new custom. Wardrobe
22:28
now. He has also. That.
22:30
Obviously bad. But. There's been a
22:32
part of my life And listen, I
22:34
recognize. How wasteful and extravagant
22:37
and whatever this is that's why wouldn't
22:39
do it. But I've always said my
22:41
ideal perfect world travel. I walk onto
22:43
an airplane with like air products and
22:46
my phone and the clothes on. Me:
22:48
Ryan Marwan What other than I land
22:50
round going I by the close I
22:52
mean once I'm there I were them
22:54
as as the end of the trip
22:57
I don't need them somewhere I walk
22:59
back onto the plane Me: Secretary: nothing.
23:02
That's the dress as though here
23:04
now my okay yeah, I wouldn't
23:06
do it for obvious reasons. Ah,
23:09
while your wardrobe was being done, they
23:11
would hang in Paris, learning dancing and
23:13
sensing and horseback riding and things like
23:15
that. And then from Paris he would
23:18
travel down to the Swiss Alps in
23:20
order to make it to Italy. Ah,
23:22
I'm I'm In which was. The
23:25
ultimate destination even if you are protestant because
23:27
of Rome. Right? One
23:29
old stuff, Savard. I'm. Here's.
23:31
Here's the problem with traversing the Swiss
23:33
Alps. At the time it was colds.
23:36
Million. Have Steelers the Ah yes! But
23:38
also it was practically over
23:41
run with wolves. Oh
23:43
okay, yeah, that okay. Don't.
23:45
Either to say there was no hot chocolate
23:47
or St Bernards with like with your eminence
23:49
the what you're saying makes a lot more
23:51
Sands Wolves have no. In the
23:54
seventeenth and eighteenth century, it's
23:56
believed that as many as
23:58
nine thousand people die in
24:00
wolf attacks. Okay, now here's what I'm saying.
24:02
The you know how many times people would
24:05
have had to die a wolf attacks before?
24:07
I was like i don't think my do
24:09
that one and yeah what's how many in
24:11
a row before you write I think I'll
24:13
be fine. That's wild to me. Can I
24:15
also say I know wolves get a bad
24:18
rap It makes a very upset. They're often
24:20
portrayed in movies weeks, months. My kids. About
24:22
this all the time rate has often
24:24
times like the wolves represent some kind
24:27
of like outside and tag knowing. Source
24:29
that you can be care less but
24:31
I say. If. Nine
24:33
thousand people die from wolf attacks
24:35
for sounds. That. Is nature's way
24:37
of saying this series. For. The
24:39
was. That's right. This is. Not your as
24:42
enough for you wolf Soon come into
24:44
your house. And you should not
24:46
go where the was live. which is
24:48
what's happening right now. If a was
24:50
starting to Buckingham Palace, you're allowed retail.
24:52
That was You go into the woods
24:54
where the wolf lives. Those was are
24:56
allowed to kill years. That's what I
24:58
decided is the new rules that still
25:00
exists even more. Gotta eat, You know?
25:02
Yes, I'm here sitting. There. Was
25:04
a very well. I. Still feel a wolf. The doesn't
25:06
Buckingham Palace by the Us? I think it would
25:08
be absolutely the Coors The if I found out
25:11
today. If. I were oh it
25:13
is reporting I lived as I get on
25:15
whatever new side I actually trust he says.
25:17
and they were. I guess there's a wolf
25:19
with a gun to Buckingham Aus like months
25:22
ago. Wizards. They just
25:24
leave the thing, only leave food out
25:26
for whatever they have a perfectly pleasant
25:28
relationship with. This was. They're. Not
25:30
trying to domesticated or whatever. He doesn't
25:32
attack them. I. Have my respect levels
25:34
would bump up. Jump over there for the
25:37
world family. The day there
25:39
was a well respected way of
25:41
that well established excuse me way
25:43
around. The. Swiss Alps again to
25:46
where you are going That people didn't
25:48
take it because it was considered. To.
25:50
Be. And
25:53
masculine. You. Know it's really
25:55
a masculine gun at by wolves.
25:57
I. Know know who's. Yeah
26:00
man. He. Died guy ever was.
26:02
What a man. Who? What are your
26:04
stuff? That's a man's samurai. They're the.
26:07
Only way to get across the Alps.
26:09
Ah because they had like I see
26:11
peaks, the animals and sets out with
26:14
on foot and it was supposed to
26:16
prove your masculinity if you were able
26:18
to do it except. Bees.
26:21
Rich. Boys. Didn't. Want
26:23
to walk? They would hire a
26:25
carry men. What do you think? A carry
26:28
Men. A carrier. Yeah,
26:30
Ah, aristocrats and amen to
26:32
literally strap them into a
26:34
chair fitted with long polls.
26:37
And. Carry them across the mountains like a
26:39
pelican right? but just had shared set of
26:41
like a little. Little said
26:43
Now once again when I'm talking about
26:46
my personal dreams. Ever since I have
26:48
kids and my have to carry them
26:50
around places I have said what I
26:52
need. My three foot tall child I'm
26:55
carrying at six feet tall so bought
26:57
it for their wealth and power man.
27:00
Who like Wade? You know he has
27:02
five times stronger than me or whatever.
27:04
How sorry that my kids when he
27:06
carried me around somebody doesn't selling. These
27:08
were twelve foot tall men that were
27:10
carrying them around. know? Okay, yeah. That
27:14
snit. So. I
27:16
mean it. It really just boggles the mind
27:18
to me that this is supposed to like
27:20
you're taking this dangerous or it to prove
27:22
your masculinity. But. What? You actually
27:25
do is you hire people to carry.
27:27
Like a baby like a bit now I
27:29
would also argue once again. man I wish
27:31
I'd been alive during this time now for
27:33
all of up but so I could say
27:36
to someone what is being stupid make you
27:38
more mass us Why would you say like
27:40
that were try to educate these design center
27:42
out the warmest off so the mouse matthew
27:44
as they do is problem solve. Figure out
27:47
a better at how is that not? Why
27:49
are you. Why are
27:51
you uprising stupid? Or their
27:53
blinds reckless stupidity? Yep, over
27:56
like oh they figured out
27:58
a better way. Like.
28:01
That. Seems so blatantly obvious. Mirror: or even
28:03
like oh we should they feel their feelings
28:05
in the be more sense it's it's more
28:07
like yeah, put. The. Cigarette.
28:10
Out a better way as that's
28:12
better than the like bore aimlessly
28:14
charging a her is so wild.
28:16
yeah. I'm I think that
28:18
we need to continue. s. Ah,
28:21
As we explore Italy and if we we
28:23
make it through France and the Swiss Alps
28:25
and you go on to Italy yeah there
28:28
are several other stops and things that we
28:30
want. I want to talk about. As
28:32
far as. That. Experience Go
28:34
There was a tiger city
28:37
and then scorpion birds. The.
28:39
Adversary throne and will talk about that
28:41
next week. I look at eerie I
28:43
am as well as as as as
28:45
a grandeur of brand to are still
28:47
alive that a two parter oh okay
28:49
cool thought that was clear know you're
28:51
trying to get her second break our
28:53
so that everybody sing have too much
28:56
from as they were going to be
28:58
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