Teal Swan is an internet guru who finds followers largely online. She presents herself as a healer, but critics say she is playing with fire and has dangerous ideas about treating people who may be suicidal.

She's the subject of Gizmodo's excellent The Gateway podcast. We're joined by host Jennings Brown and producer Jessica Glazer to talk about the trouble with Teal Swan.

Check out The Gateway: https://gizmodo.com/weve-launched-an-investigative-podcast-about-a-controve-1826416613

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