0:19

The They. Up of Maniacs

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your list and do another episode Shopped

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actual I'm Dave in the Path Ribery

0:26

wouldn't address and you are as Career

0:28

A was our his hands thing that

0:30

the free and Path of the Eclipse

0:32

which is a even a concept. It's

0:34

hard for me to wrap my mind

0:36

around but it goes right through Greg

0:38

breakthrough Daves house pretty much. Yeah.

0:41

That's wild sir. I think I'm in

0:43

like the yeah that the Total Eclipse

0:45

of the heart and is about four

0:47

minutes or something when it's full eclipse.

0:49

If you're in the city, there were

0:51

a lot. I'm in the Or as

0:53

a going to be cool from your

0:56

house, it should be cool for my

0:58

husband. Actually, my my wife's family saw

1:00

Command Town there. like apparently Eclipse chasers.

1:02

They didn't know that, but they're They're

1:04

thinking oh so they're in town, they

1:06

didn't in there are certain rented a

1:08

house that way closer. you know, little.

1:11

West of here. Like really, it's only like

1:13

two to ten miles. West of here is

1:15

like. Now. You're in four minutes

1:17

of Eclipse Territory versus two minutes and thirty

1:19

seconds of equipped. And if I crossed the

1:21

highway the other way, it would be a

1:24

zero minutes. You know. And I mean the

1:26

her sister. Weird. like. Either

1:28

know it's weird how thin the. Line.

1:31

Is but then it also goes across the whole

1:33

entire united so you don't know? Is there like

1:35

a really nice little google maps thing that shows

1:37

you are? yeah, Whether they are harm and all

1:40

that is is and Nbc easy and then they'll

1:42

give you one but. That's

1:44

cool. As it's cool, it's. Unfortunate

1:47

that the great yeah I can same before

1:49

the show. I would not typically leave my

1:51

house just to see in a shadow of

1:53

who, but it's the you know I'm excited

1:55

the people that have done it I never

1:57

have either. I. Think I've seen little

1:59

Partial. The older ones are been monitor our

2:02

moon. Yeah I know I went to the

2:04

partial one last time. it happened on weekends

2:06

so it's pretty easy to know that I'd

2:08

like to. shadows look different drugs as a

2:11

yell this year. they like kind of like

2:13

if you think of like a son moving

2:15

in front of a or but a circles

2:17

and you get like a little young sliver

2:19

like a a crescent all the sun. All

2:22

the shadows look at crescent City like see

2:24

like the shadow of a tree was just

2:26

a bunch of crescents. Insists that's truly weird.

2:28

It's kind of. It changes in

2:31

in the sky all turns like Anna?

2:33

you know hi Gwen like them. He

2:35

turned some brightness all the way down

2:37

here for. It

2:40

is like the whole earth suddenly

2:42

as at zero brightness in here.

2:44

to say out loud as this

2:46

is I I haven't seen an

2:48

honor my my brain always goes

2:51

to. What? The two

2:53

things: How do people spend their time

2:55

track in this place who's just like

2:57

I'm. Always. Aware of

2:59

the shadow the moon's shadow in,

3:01

I just desk the that's what

3:03

I care by plaudits for the

3:05

next twenty centuries. Ah, that's weird

3:08

to me that people do that

3:10

as a hobby or a job

3:12

but then the other one is

3:14

low. If you were living in

3:16

the like for you have to

3:18

think about primitive people feel exactly

3:20

hundreds or the or thousands of

3:22

years bc. In the

3:24

sun just disappeared. And

3:27

you like walk ten miles in You

3:30

tell your friends did you see the

3:32

sun just disappeared the back nine and

3:34

we mean. You

3:36

are crazy do like you that

3:38

that would be so weird to me

3:40

just as a I'm sure this

3:42

is like because and the out immediately

3:45

look at my neighbor out be

3:47

like what did you do strike. Is

3:50

super fast suffix I'd be

3:52

pissed. frank. They. Have you

3:55

seen a it's usually the big

3:57

sin and now did Now the

3:59

sun god in turn would you

4:01

and all of us because you

4:03

did the big sin the I

4:06

am it frank I would definitely

4:08

just I wouldn't use the opportune

4:10

I'd be like an early trump.

4:12

You know I'd besides feel like

4:14

a minute whatever just happens to

4:16

vote for me. You know that

4:19

for me I will keep discussing

4:21

sense of self assess assess here's

4:23

sphere. the is by party a

4:25

plump when I keep the sun

4:27

going. right? You know that such

4:29

as been I get like a kind of all

4:32

the money. That. Seems like a good

4:34

feelings were male or although be cool I think

4:36

as you are listening to the show if you're

4:38

a day one time a listener. From

4:40

happening right now. Yeah yeah, it's fans years.

4:43

If you're Monday listener wave it's Hi. I'm

4:45

in the path of the eclipse. I'm Mary,

4:47

Elle the current Us: there's clouds in the

4:50

forecasts. I could be a total duds. It

4:52

was kind of like that last times on

4:54

our class when lock my god he have

4:56

one chance at this and it could be

4:59

cloudy. I didn't even consider that that was

5:01

his are cloudy but hear me I'd still

5:03

gonna get weird dark as can be like

5:05

some brightness zero and that's weird enough to

5:08

they are isn't it Nice and Austin usually.

5:10

Or is dummy nets oppressively hot in Austin?

5:12

Most it and this hits. It's nice to

5:15

not ever do you did to the to

5:17

the people talk about like the number of

5:19

days of sunshine and stuff. we have three

5:21

hundred here and ben so thought the people

5:23

talk what other guy on i don't even

5:25

know where we have my ipad be curious

5:28

but it's just so happens it's like ah.

5:30

Saturday. Sunday Monday when everyone's

5:32

in town like people are coming

5:34

out like Austin's expected to be

5:36

a surge here. Have a dust.

5:39

Nice town. Saturday

5:41

Sunday Monday and then rain on Tuesday

5:43

Wednesday like as it is cloudy all

5:45

weekend and we gotta make out and

5:47

torches so there's a lot of reasons.

5:50

And. Here union were like cowboy boots

5:52

and ah and accent. I sat right.

5:54

I have ever seen a lot of

5:56

baths come out of a bridge the

5:58

of eden check out of. The standards

6:00

that yeah I have a friend of

6:02

a friend runs the bad to worse.

6:05

here in Austin runs a bat to

6:07

Eurlings rent like a a kayak and

6:09

or up panel board that glows in

6:12

the dark millet together like ooh places

6:14

and the he knows it's it's cannabis

6:16

yeah that's a cool job. as a

6:18

cool job I say I wish I

6:21

was like that industrious to bet I'm

6:23

gonna go under leave my house. Her

6:25

nature and money money was at ya

6:27

sab the deep. My only goods are.

6:30

Like a four wheeler. Ditto a trusts

6:32

truck full of kayaks that's couldn't be

6:34

like my only eats overhead units and

6:37

or health. but. Oh well. Ah

6:39

fantastic. So the So the internet still around

6:41

seeds we have some questions we can get

6:43

to you to today I saw you know

6:45

the earth what you said some the other

6:47

day that that stuck in my brain a

6:49

little bit because he was about that. It's

6:51

been about two years, little more than two

6:54

years since an article dropped on Microsoft about

6:56

i'm about to types in Javascript. It was

6:58

all noisy for a minute because it was

7:00

like holy cow you know may be. Out

7:03

don't you always think about like the web?

7:06

Standards. Bodies are at their

7:08

best when they see movements busy,

7:10

a lot of people doing something

7:12

with tools, and then they're like,

7:14

maybe we can standardize this and

7:16

help you do it in. It's

7:19

not. It's not to like

7:21

because the tool is bad. It's

7:23

because like standards are good and to

7:25

pave the cow Pass rate classic types

7:27

of the pretty big how pass. Let's

7:29

say it, maybe it maybe it should

7:31

be a tool for ever. I don't

7:33

know but they some smart people got

7:35

together and said hey, maybe we can

7:37

do this with within the syntax of

7:39

javascript. We won't need that tool anymore

7:41

and there's a lot of kind of

7:43

skepticism but also loud clapping and you

7:46

know that's just what happens in our

7:48

industry is at it as far as

7:50

I can. dial has been touched since

7:52

that day. See if like those,

7:54

get every five iron? I can't say

7:56

that for sure, but we're certainly not

7:58

talking about it anymore. The stage

8:00

Zero proposals can do that and get it.

8:02

I think it's I tasted down the other

8:04

day. Did you look at your try? I

8:07

try that she's a damn. All I did

8:09

was look at like commits to the repo

8:11

that was talking about it and that Ellsworth

8:13

and like you know there's like one commit

8:15

a year is with his. So as announced

8:17

two years ago is when commit every much

8:20

since I used to hopefully we're getting sequence

8:22

right before t backwards I think is like

8:24

literally maybe today or something number of recording

8:26

or as the globe either be nine? whatever

8:28

but I but it wasn't. On the

8:30

T C Thirty Nine schedule for

8:32

April Us of Twenty Twenty Four.

8:35

Ah so that makes me think

8:37

it is not mature enough for

8:39

apps or other people. Got excited

8:41

about something else or something since

8:43

these things take excited human beings

8:45

to push push through. It's diverge

8:47

still lot like I think like

8:49

the idea of like let's just

8:51

a gold star god stamp. On

8:54

Javascript type script and put it in

8:56

the browser. I don't think that's happening

8:59

on. There are a lot people pushing

9:01

back for like a more common like

9:03

syntax are like chair stock. That mean

9:05

you must have seemed there are a

9:07

lot people pushing for com you know,

9:09

maybe like the colon syntax. yeah, the

9:12

call in number or something like that.

9:14

just that part of the script. and

9:16

for returns and operators and stuff like

9:18

that. I don't know if any

9:20

of that really was. Is

9:22

being talked about Self start small and grow

9:25

without be my advice Vs serves as you

9:27

know it's it All comes fresh of mine

9:29

because I was in like a conversation with

9:31

somebody in the right mining to use type

9:33

script on Nes and I was like ah

9:35

you know. That

9:37

the was hoping we would be not talking

9:39

about type script at this point I think

9:42

of I can't help the conversation would be

9:44

further along. I: you're gonna wait it out

9:46

you know yeah you like phones will but

9:48

now I can hang until we're not doing

9:50

it anymore Mean that's worked. For some people

9:53

you know my maybe like a million

9:55

years ago somebody saw got an awesome

9:57

weird flash way to do web fonts.

9:59

They're like. The seminal wait it

10:01

out, you know. And then they

10:03

were awarded for they're waiting by,

10:05

you know, web standards, font face,

10:07

and stuff like that. So yeah,

10:10

he tends to happen if you

10:12

wait long enough. I'd I think

10:14

that's true and you know I.

10:16

I think there is a genuine,

10:18

real threat. I'm gonna say threat

10:21

on my slot board. Okay, threat

10:23

I that we're hitting another. Ah,

10:26

Required D s require

10:28

syntax problem with types

10:30

get. Some. The I think

10:33

I think it's get like some of

10:35

whom he not let me near say

10:37

is valuable. It's helpful. Like.

10:39

In generally provides die you It cuts

10:42

literally fifteen percent of your bugs based

10:44

on some research from Microsoft that types

10:46

add to a code. Okay so yeah

10:48

it's good right leg but I think

10:51

we're hitting a place where you know

10:53

how like we can do year sam

10:55

all the time with site where Nine

10:57

years some fun times because we have

10:59

all this legacy code that is written

11:02

in. Legacy node,

11:04

so I add that requires syntax.

11:06

I think weights were potentially going

11:09

to sit gun or bottleneck ourselves

11:11

in five years Me up, so

11:14

that some I think that's a

11:16

threat to the ecosystem. As

11:19

it is. But but I said

11:21

there's value in the obviously okay,

11:23

so yeah. okay. so the so

11:25

there's that one and I can

11:27

have brought it up in and

11:29

I didn't I didn't know that

11:31

Deepak was was here or follow

11:33

stuff that closely. I guess I

11:35

saw a proposal for signals that

11:37

also stayed zero signals. Being this,

11:39

I don't know architectural concepts of

11:42

making a variable than that. You

11:44

can change it and view I

11:46

and whatever else is kind of

11:48

like watching yet to respond to

11:50

changes in it. Off

11:53

like a mutation. Observer for a variable are

11:55

some. thanks. Very popular at lots of people.

11:57

See it, look at it and click with.

12:00

As a way for that stuff to work.

12:02

Who was in Solid janitor who invented it

12:04

but I know free act kind of was

12:06

in. Do It in Solid J. As Angular

12:08

decided to pick it up, Angular is emerging

12:10

with something that has it. Since it's I

12:12

don't know. there's a lot of ah, Stuff.

12:15

For it again there's a cow path

12:17

for Yeah. So than of a sudden

12:19

we see earth a proposal come along

12:22

for signals to then go into javascript.

12:24

It's stage zero so soon as I

12:26

see that like wow this is big

12:28

and weird and a change for javascript

12:31

of all I thought of was like

12:33

yeah has that type thing com and

12:35

in has a formal in. all of

12:37

that would be easier or more sensible

12:40

with types. are you like it would

12:42

just be like this whole when the

12:44

be better. If it had types.

12:47

As yeah so that was

12:49

proposed to put together kind

12:51

of Rob Eisenberg Eisenberg effect

12:53

on Twitter and elsewhere but

12:56

he has done good work

12:58

especially web components and formerly

13:00

worked on and Microsoft on

13:02

their their fast components and.

13:04

I'm. Not sure where is that

13:06

now or Faeces Consulting else exists consulted

13:08

but it's yes a pretty exciting to

13:10

think that like signals is. And that's

13:12

another thing where I was kind of

13:14

like i'm going on way you know

13:16

or or just use what what view

13:18

gives me which is view x and

13:21

then year opinion race allies I'm just

13:23

gonna use why she's given to me

13:25

i'm not an infant my own you

13:27

now. And that

13:29

sort of like it's you know.

13:31

React has notably gone through a

13:33

few different. State management systems

13:35

and so any. I took everyone

13:38

a while the come around to

13:40

like a signals is pretty good.

13:42

Skill is are we like gonna.

13:44

Hate Signals wants it lands in the browser.

13:47

Maybe animal, but some that Daves I was

13:49

pretty cool. I mean it's just a variable

13:51

you can subscribe to and than. Two.

13:53

Tier based off of a rate so I

13:56

have never like. I don't have anything production

13:58

using any with signal said the Me: It's

14:00

like just a little bit in this gray

14:02

area of like I haven't solved it work

14:04

for me so don't know if I love

14:06

it or not but I look at and

14:09

I'm like. It's a

14:11

little like pubs or be I

14:13

guess. I've definitely done that kind

14:15

of thing before and then I

14:17

use of Apollo. Rama

14:19

graft you out at work you know and

14:21

we are you know generally lighter in our

14:24

efforts, caching and it's like efficient query in

14:26

and started to come built in it. I

14:28

don't know if this is good or bad,

14:30

he just get them like bonus stuff. you

14:33

know sometimes when when libraries get so big

14:35

and such a big part of dealing with

14:37

the date of your after like and you

14:39

get. This to.

14:42

One of this to says us would they

14:45

call reactive variables It's just part of the

14:47

package and it's tree shaken out. I think

14:49

if you don't use it so not a

14:51

big deal with in. A in in

14:53

the react context that were using and and we

14:56

can just like pull when to functions one of

14:58

them as like declaring a reactive variable in one

15:00

of them is by don't know. The.

15:02

Center for and are times I forget exactly

15:04

the the syntax off enough him. but I've

15:06

used to like twice in the last two

15:08

weeks and I've been like ooh this is

15:11

nice and I think it's I think it's

15:13

signal likes I see like gets have some

15:15

some stuff in it but it's like any

15:17

two components like you don't have to think

15:19

about like the whole tree of architecture of

15:21

your app. You can just like this component

15:23

way the hell over here declared this reactor

15:25

variable and is exporting it and this other

15:28

component way the hell over here. There's no

15:30

connection to a can kind of import from

15:32

it. And now those two

15:34

components have this variable that they're

15:36

sharing and reacting to without having

15:38

to do something and react like

15:40

I don't know. Drill the state

15:42

down through a million things are

15:44

used. Some kind of global states

15:47

store. That's that's shared. You can

15:49

just do these little one offs

15:51

and a kind of feels nice

15:53

sometimes. Yeah, there's no like providers

15:55

situation. There's no. You

15:58

know? I think he knows. Still,

16:00

candidates like you just in in. there's

16:03

not even that kind of event up

16:05

dated down situation. It's kind of just.

16:08

Said. It here right? and then

16:10

it'll tell everyone else it did they

16:12

change seen ourselves? Yeah knowing of the

16:15

everybody else is fed the kind of

16:17

like hard part I would think of

16:19

as yes because it's I women were

16:21

first. Married. Like signals getting popular.

16:24

I may be said on the So

16:26

I was like oh, it's kind of

16:28

like window.sue Like you to say window.food

16:30

equals bar and that's a fancy global

16:33

variable in a kind of his, but

16:35

it kind of is that. Plus, it.

16:38

Has like disallowed some sort of thing

16:40

to it right? Because you need this

16:42

sub, you need the call back in

16:44

the mutation Observer part like this changed

16:46

for you. Please run some code mouse

16:48

was you change window.food. Yes,

16:51

that data is available to everybody looking at

16:53

it, but they don't. They. Are

16:55

told that attains right right?

16:57

Yeah and then there's another

16:59

featured Some they had like

17:01

be that signal.computed and to

17:04

pitted as complies and don't

17:06

know why but I'm very.

17:09

Is like this: Like weird? Like. Dell.

17:12

It's it's a successful and to

17:14

I'm a petty bit unlike. Unlike

17:18

as Rubles drag race over here

17:20

like that would kick it out

17:22

for be just as like unnecessary

17:24

capitalistic. Now it's fine. So anyway

17:26

it's it's set, signaled that computed

17:28

new signal that computed and then

17:30

you can do like of this

17:32

accepts a function is even.get so

17:34

you're saying, is it even? I

17:36

guess in the new Fs in

17:38

L Se true or false and

17:41

than you say. Okay, down,

17:43

spit out text. The text version sucks that

17:45

it is. It's a sort of like a.

17:48

The. Texts were even her the text

17:50

for dots depending on that value so

17:52

it's sort of like views computed attributes

17:55

I think spells has also that to

17:57

deceased so in I think I guess.

18:00

I don't. Does might not

18:02

knowing enough about react I mean sort

18:04

of like use the zebra abuse rest

18:06

I feel like they do right. That's

18:08

a bit of you can do am

18:10

selling use rabbit or or and I

18:12

think of it as the like that

18:15

you have to use that little hooked

18:17

into to get like a dom node

18:19

and then I do think the I

18:21

oregon but it's the it's not that

18:23

only. I. Hate to the

18:25

I'm sure people seeing the shows like

18:28

I can explain it in our and

18:30

I'm sure you could bus. I think

18:32

it also means like Cp reference to

18:34

this one at rear enders. There's some

18:36

like efficiency aspect to a says not

18:38

just like is not distance variable value

18:40

okay so on and maybe they could

18:42

be though computed think so. Anyway our

18:44

let's not worry about it was not

18:46

displayed in God's eyes of their ass

18:48

on my inner the here again I

18:50

probably should be able to. Explain.

18:53

Early well have computers in view is

18:55

school and so is it is a

18:57

to the platform that would be cool

18:59

because you can basically to say like

19:01

would be a good example of analysts

19:03

does. Of posts right like go

19:06

up, get the posts and I'm just

19:08

can't keep asking for posts be up

19:10

and then my computed can be. Filtered.

19:13

Posts and I do

19:15

Post.seltzer. Whatever. You

19:18

have equals comment and Venturi render. Like

19:20

just for some reason, nothing in Surrey

19:22

render it doesn't need a result from

19:24

them. They've already been filtered. Yeah, well,

19:26

it'll only read. Render if

19:28

posts change is the parents and

19:31

then the thing it's subscribing to

19:33

change sir, whenever that so. I

19:36

see it's cool it like

19:38

genuinely pretty cool stuff. So

19:40

am. I so aiming

19:42

view computed is awesome and sell it

19:44

because we had that kind of computed

19:46

power. yeah I think of the league

19:48

how the equivalent and react land is

19:50

like oh this when I know this

19:52

components gonna read render if a prop

19:54

changes on it for example. Or.

19:56

Like a parrot. Sprats changed in

19:58

nam a child. I just get

20:00

blasted away imma nothing which is a

20:03

little bit hard to know, so if

20:05

that component is doing anything. That.

20:07

Requires like a significant work

20:09

is on you. To.

20:11

Figure out like what how can I

20:13

add efficiency to this number in react

20:16

the all use memo or something and

20:18

then it's fun. it's good or maybe

20:20

that's less than an abuse memory just

20:22

like me I mean Mit and I'm

20:25

at all and then if knowing and

20:27

then he passed the things like of

20:29

these waters rate like of these things

20:31

change than update as Rate that scare

20:33

near may have done the work once

20:36

other is murmurs that react as gonna

20:38

have become a compiled framework in the

20:40

future and that decisions. Like that and

20:42

will not need to be made by the author

20:44

anymore. They can be sussed out by a compiler

20:47

and. But. Seems cool the

20:49

means but it seems like holy

20:51

cow as this framework on under

20:53

some very extreme. Changes.

20:56

Recently with like now it runs

20:58

on the server and it's compile.

21:00

Know is what even is this

21:02

thing anymore? Bf good question I

21:04

wonder piano as long as the

21:07

known as long as voted out

21:09

next just magically makes use of

21:11

it and delivers me that good

21:13

The exit does. Now I'm. Not

21:16

mad about it, I'm I'm curious.

21:18

Bless we're going to feel like

21:20

and three years when you know

21:22

pass code bases are in. Half

21:25

implemented in surface components in half with not

21:27

you know in in it just becomes is

21:29

sort of like. I'm. Sure best

21:31

practices will emerge eventually you know,

21:34

but maybe maybe they'll be some

21:36

like crazy conspiracy theory. Wherever Cel

21:38

was like sell the Node servers

21:40

so he reacted. You design a

21:42

product that requires no and servers

21:44

are give you a million dollars

21:46

in as yeah in. everyone on

21:49

the React core team is lighter.

21:51

we come on and on. A

21:53

big toe in Monaco rained out

21:55

somewhere. Just kidding,

21:57

we love everybody. Everything is

21:59

fine. Everything's fine, know well and

22:01

I are. I wondered you know if the

22:03

remix. Dude, sir, gonna be

22:06

like I told you says that specific

22:08

ssssss of a foreigner basket. Am I

22:10

know now? I don't know. I'm curious

22:12

not to stir up drama, not deception

22:14

some. Now I mean, we're not even

22:17

capable of anymore. All eight of you

22:19

out there yet deceive. Said

22:21

it right. Chris Dave did not

22:23

say the wrong street in the

22:25

same stuff. Wrong. We do have

22:27

some corrections I said in a

22:30

previous up said ah, no. Framework

22:32

helps you with accessibility. Oh right.

22:35

And everybody's like except for all the good ones.

22:39

Triple said just Cons where it

22:41

said ah actually felt does this

22:43

I have not confirmed this. Four

22:45

Seasons a proof of concept but

22:48

apparently Spell does is Melanie. Of

22:50

course I said Amber does this

22:52

and so I you know of

22:54

course So now I'm a way.

22:56

One question though, Does it do

22:59

It's it Seems like okay. I

23:01

could see doing it if somebody

23:03

wrote a smells vs code. Plugin

23:05

or Ember vs Code plugin that

23:07

did some static analysis on those

23:09

types of components and then put

23:12

read squiggles. K. So

23:14

that kind of like the framework doing

23:16

it, but it's kind of just like

23:18

a winter may be. The framework provides

23:20

the winter and thus it feels that

23:22

with or. Well, it's

23:24

been compiled. The compiler is

23:27

is throwing though. there's. Or.

23:30

Whatever reporting them the standard out or

23:32

whatever a library does, which one is

23:34

it, you know? It's unclear

23:36

to me that approach. Yeah it would

23:38

be interesting to like I maybe this

23:40

is a blog posts a cigarette for

23:43

deal boost blog but I'm Ira time

23:45

and it. Figure. Out which which

23:47

one does why? you know there's

23:49

been I'm just discuss yeah it

23:51

is. It's throwing. His do

23:53

I need to have the right tooling

23:55

environments a bit? Be like men when

23:58

I have the perfect tooling environment. Everything's

24:00

perfect. Know there's no problems Chris when

24:02

the perfect tool engram it's is set

24:04

up by when I'm like opening notepad

24:06

who think do I have a different

24:08

experience you know comes back to the

24:11

type thing and asked if you open

24:13

a file that in the future world

24:15

in which types are in javascript in

24:17

notepad plus plus on windows or whatever.

24:20

Are you gonna get squiggles and stuff?

24:22

Know you're not. Know. For

24:24

a some so like or are

24:26

we talking about having javascript itself.

24:30

Throw. Or do console.errors

24:32

and stuff when those types

24:34

are broken like in browsers.

24:36

Is that happening to or

24:38

is this exclusively like shifted

24:41

left to the developer experience

24:43

only. Unclear. To

24:45

me, Yes, yeah, I mean like you

24:47

know, strong typed languages? Roscoe man. Oh,

24:49

they'll bit on the come at the

24:51

compiler mad they don't You don't get,

24:53

ain't you get nothing May when it

24:56

when it feels really nothing. Yeah, I

24:58

can technically upload my type skipped with

25:00

the.js extension and it'll The browser will

25:02

try to run it and then just

25:04

die great. So it will. It'll find

25:06

an angle bracket or something and you

25:08

know that than going aware that doesn't

25:11

work. So that's you know as it's

25:13

interesting. I think the reason. Example was

25:15

putting a click and earlier on

25:17

a damn rights get with with

25:20

a browser, you know, Moon. Or

25:23

with a with a framework yellow you if

25:25

you did that don't the gates. Him Maxwell

25:27

he might. but maybe I need to get

25:29

back into it. but I'm you know and

25:31

I really haven't seen i have seen school.

25:33

Linters are cool test suites you know, like

25:35

yeah, web test runner which is like a

25:38

popular. Web.

25:40

Components: Test Runner. Is.

25:43

It uses a blend of like mocha

25:45

chai all this but it has there's

25:47

like a nurse One example we can

25:49

pull and like alley test suites or

25:52

acts of right into their and then

25:54

the say like expected element to be

25:56

accessible or whatever it's. Worth

25:59

saving. The occasion sing yeah

26:01

yeah, langer school and so

26:03

I can like whatever. Render

26:06

the output and then like. Verify

26:08

that it's successful or like run axe

26:10

right on it, so that's cool. We.

26:13

Need more of that. But. But.

26:15

A that requires two steps read that

26:18

require that you ran the tests actually

26:20

the forces had him since pretend rights

26:22

him into it requires likes. He wrote

26:24

the test and new implored the packages

26:26

did honest of rates of it because

26:28

maybe I'll do a little whistle stop

26:30

to her post on like who actually

26:33

Solves this problem for you but then.

26:37

Sometimes you need to put a click handle

26:39

around and now I say it just says

26:41

is gonna come up you know it's gonna

26:44

come on and I found one even as

26:46

a mistake. Just and our app or I

26:48

i'm I'm like the worst pr of your

26:50

been by the worst I mean the best

26:52

I never let that go through was like

26:54

know we have a component for that should

26:56

get all the button we have all kinds

26:58

of props ah that. We also have button

27:01

Simple and case what you're trying to do

27:03

is like have no styling around the thing

27:05

but it's an interactive element that has no

27:07

relative. A trough. Use.

27:09

That neither one. Ah

27:11

yes I do. You know it's kind

27:14

of like it if we can make

27:16

these to do it. Awesome! didn't like

27:18

should we are like. Shell. Or of

27:20

I do you need like us. Whenever

27:22

a way to be like no actually

27:24

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27:27

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27:29

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29:24

so you've mentioned reading for Boost Geek Out Very

29:26

listening out there. There's a guest writing program for

29:28

to undo that. To just

29:30

because it whatever middle of. I. Right

29:32

over there to mean Daves who's

29:34

blog and booze blind? Interesting to

29:36

think you know, Like what? Now

29:38

I'm in a position of it.

29:40

Usually writing an article been I'm

29:42

like in another app. I'm

29:45

like, you do it. And Notions does

29:47

your drowsy land, you know, and I

29:49

think that's kind of cool. And then

29:51

if you wanna share it with somebody

29:53

else to get for comments on it,

29:55

you know what? you're gonna send it

29:57

into an editor Anywhere. Notions? not bad.

30:00

That you can help market as public. It

30:02

has kind of a permissions model to do

30:04

that. you can keep it private, adding of

30:06

basically private by default, and then they have

30:08

a permissions model that allows you to open

30:10

a little share menu and say i want

30:12

anybody to see this or I want this

30:14

exact person to see this and it's a

30:16

major see it or can they added it

30:18

to her Ah yeah, I don't know. I

30:20

think they can just see it was through

30:22

the publicly be. Then you can invite people

30:24

to it, but it's sort of like security

30:26

by obscurity when you publish it to scan

30:28

them into. the men may be have. Like

30:30

arts and comments. But. Not

30:32

yet it or something. anyway if you don't

30:34

that but the are they have to spread

30:36

the line. They're like how complicated the what

30:39

makes this is. I'm sure they could have

30:41

a whole security matrix on their if they

30:43

wanted to but that's no fun. Mostly people

30:45

just want to like flip a switch me

30:47

like yeah everybody can see this I don't

30:49

care yeah ah a It comes up to

30:51

me that because it's like are you know

30:54

it Back in my editing days and Css

30:56

tricks to I was. I

30:58

was always like a if some is in a right. For.

31:00

Us. But. You can send it

31:02

in however you want to but if

31:05

you don't have a preference or are

31:07

interested in what be but like I

31:09

was pretty full to dropbox paper which

31:11

was this with system will add on

31:13

products I can't the it's. Not.

31:15

Know for sure. it feels maybe a little

31:17

forgotten over at Dropbox. Probably like it's a

31:19

good app but doesn't need that. Doesn't mean

31:21

like a super active team on and or

31:23

anything it looks about how the last time

31:25

I looked at it years ago, you know,

31:28

But I like it because it's as you're

31:30

right in there and it has that permissions

31:32

model to. That. You can. Easily

31:34

add people to ebb. And

31:36

then it's enough. It doesn't look like

31:38

markdown very much, but you can export

31:40

it in markdown. I didn't mind that

31:43

like hello, really care to sink in

31:45

the markdown syntax very much so as

31:47

like that I was like to little

31:49

more than google docs because google docs

31:51

wouldn't exist the in others like people

31:53

to inform, adding and stuff from like

31:55

don't don't do that the adult it

31:58

if anything I prefer marked down. That's.

32:00

So. Portable and it it. It's like

32:02

forces you to not do informatics, but

32:05

I don't actually care if it's actually

32:07

markdowns anywhere where I'm going with. This

32:09

is like you use Notion that a

32:11

pretty good choice for a but Notion

32:13

is our know that it's not super

32:15

lightweight and stuff. and if it's not

32:17

just some, you just pick up a

32:19

news to write one article. It's kinda

32:22

like you're either in Notion Lander, you're

32:24

not. So what else is there are?

32:26

I saw one of other days me

32:28

using a product called Stash pad.com o

32:30

meu. This is new and cool.

32:32

Looks a little will fancy. Has

32:36

that can a real time editing

32:38

and permissions model and crucially for

32:40

me as this one feature that

32:42

sets it apart from us because

32:44

there's a zillion right markdown online

32:46

apps. They're just is. There's so

32:48

many. Muslim of more like

32:50

we have a I we have bubble baths

32:52

this has you can select a line of

32:54

text and comment on that. That's.

32:56

The feature I'm talking about. Oh okay,

32:58

yeah, notions got it. Stashed.

33:01

Feds got it. And I'm

33:03

interested in asking the shop targeting what other

33:05

stuff has like google docs has it. to

33:07

me that's very important. I want to highlight

33:09

a sentence and be like who could you

33:12

do a fact check on the sentence please

33:14

or or something It's really rare. To.

33:16

See in a in a in an app I think

33:18

and I just wanna like I want to have a

33:20

mental model of the ones that are doing that. For

33:24

the to is a pretty niche feature that

33:26

is important to me there isn't. was the

33:28

doom a new. Butter

33:30

Butter ducks this a new thing a

33:32

new just saw that too. I think

33:34

that was shared in the in the

33:37

discord Perhaps looks like kind of a

33:39

more open source see google docs thing.

33:41

Yeah know, Sulu Little Trillo Eve I'm

33:43

sitting there to can have them which

33:46

is like literally is my set up

33:48

for my blogging see himself. Maybe I

33:50

could do some. We have the sucks

33:52

can a good. With. The

33:55

trillo aspect is. A.

33:57

Wildcard there, but I guess I can get it

33:59

sort. If each draw a card or.yeah

34:01

I think so in I didn't I think

34:03

it's just the idea that like a you

34:06

have some you know he they got organize

34:08

it somehow as you have multiple. Documents

34:11

see how they're in different statuses

34:13

my not reflect those statuses enough

34:15

for his eye looks like I

34:17

say. Oh interesting. Maybe

34:19

they're actually doing this by at

34:21

the document level. My god. So

34:23

every every column is a heading

34:25

ray like introduction. This isn't the

34:27

example video introduction heart of Turning

34:29

around the World which seems like

34:31

a mistake a health perspective but

34:33

then like they have, it's like

34:35

one document. And then

34:38

him. And that's interesting. I.

34:41

Mean very cool Food has the feature

34:43

just to check sorry I went out.

34:45

A mixture of the idea has that

34:47

my comment on a particular thing which

34:49

involves i think it's it's it's rare

34:51

because it's a it's like a little

34:53

hard and involves that like. Whatever

34:56

doctrine dying as range of our and then

34:58

one of those can change and then what

35:00

do you do with the data you have?

35:02

What what if that whole word goes away,

35:04

have to make really hard product races and

35:06

like do I delete the comments or do

35:09

I orphan it somehow our You know if

35:11

I could see why people are like of

35:13

too hard aboard yeah don't do it yeah

35:15

never write code, never improve products and think

35:17

is the advice. I would say this but

35:19

er docs looks really cool but it's very.

35:23

It's very much I'm currently running, so

35:25

that seems like payments like enough. Let.

35:28

Our know or not said what would you

35:30

get out of it Yeah well when I

35:32

get out and like what's gonna make me

35:34

change was gimmick, be changed if it is.

35:37

It's fast if that's the safest the Namibian

35:39

but math or and really good offline or

35:41

something A I don't I don't have. And

35:44

are no I don't know ammonia easily.

35:46

I'm like my personal blog I'm so

35:49

I just use wordpress itself, stuff tests

35:51

to store the draft and then I'm

35:53

a things that you their woefully for.

35:55

For. At all my to do but

35:57

I'll translate to years and stuff. Afraid

35:59

to. Good for me to the other

36:01

the sinking in the Native Nelson and

36:03

when our i did see one another

36:05

one know recently called Godspeed Pretty Girl

36:08

named for an app that also had

36:10

native apps and also the Sinking and

36:12

all that and then it is addict

36:14

or couple a like different. Aspects

36:16

To: for one it was really like really focus on

36:18

speed and stuff in some of that stuff is like

36:20

yeah. It

36:22

better be fast moving in to do

36:24

app like he was. how could it

36:26

not be you know is a blazing

36:29

fast to do list must be that's

36:31

is blazing fast so that doesn't really

36:33

like do anything for me but. Nested

36:36

is check boxes was the big concession.

36:38

Like it when you look at it

36:40

like that's what you're getting your getting

36:43

nested check boxes and anointed tick boxes.

36:45

do I like that sign another item

36:47

labels He gets like some yeah no

36:49

prior to zero in progress. Stuff like

36:51

that you get attachments on the thing

36:53

on the to do with a scalpel.

36:55

Oh I like that if they could

36:57

be like a board cards or something

36:59

to that but I don't need is

37:01

just like us for clickable link to

37:03

the thing like I want to see

37:05

what the attachment. Is Greg Greg notion

37:07

does that Pretty early enough, Your dragon image

37:09

into a notion I commit. Yes, see the

37:11

image. not so much of the Pdf, but

37:13

it gives you this big nice clickable thing

37:15

and you can open the Pdf in or

37:17

opens it like an immortal. And you can

37:20

see the Pdf much as I need. More

37:22

than just I can attach something. although I

37:24

do like that and things does not have

37:26

that. Is. Not put a

37:28

file in a to do and things

37:30

com i'm missing feature I think within

37:32

and but then that is maybe also

37:34

what makes a good as it so

37:36

shallow you're like okay cool wealth me

37:38

on this. References. This

37:40

other document in no Sin or something

37:43

could be. sometimes you gotta make hard

37:45

choices like man yeah And I could

37:47

also see a ballooning the size of

37:49

the. The. Database you know, some

37:51

he drags and one for megabyte.

37:53

J Peg in a virgin doubled

37:55

the size of the database of

37:57

the thing. yeah, like and in.

37:59

if it's not structured well, that's

38:01

gonna come down in a make

38:04

set all posts, you know where

38:06

whoever x ray I'm unless you've

38:08

got good filtering or whenever some

38:10

mom sip yeah I did. You

38:12

know I flirted with Obsidian. Eyes

38:15

I like. Obsidian is interesting to me.

38:17

Ah, but it's very much like a

38:19

project in itself. Sort of like you

38:21

set up all the rules and all

38:23

the views and all that you know

38:25

you can of. Which

38:28

is cool, but as it was, maybe not

38:30

for me at this moment in time. Just

38:32

like I don't need. Another.

38:35

Management project I guess

38:38

self see as some

38:40

kind of comfortably numb

38:42

comfortably in no sin.

38:44

Dislike. And committing to

38:46

some to. I think there's something does he

38:48

said about committing to a set of tools

38:50

like these are just what I use. You

38:52

know, like if something amazing comes on or

38:54

try bikes, these are my tools. Ah, and

38:56

I'm gonna get good at using these to

38:59

manage my brain. or mean it's my ass.

39:01

You can really get. Productivity. Sniped,

39:03

You know you're like ooh, this this productivity

39:05

to a looks two percent better or something.

39:07

Yeah, but your last three days to it,

39:10

you might have been wrong about the assessment

39:12

to begin with. I really hear what you're

39:14

saying like. Don't.

39:17

Change for to stop it of

39:19

know that some there's some to

39:22

be said about like the you

39:24

know on us I do think

39:26

like you know Alan I should

39:28

say like productivity for you it's

39:30

not linked don't don't list your

39:32

boss's like. Hey. Man you should like.

39:36

The. You need to whatever. Use this to

39:38

do list or whatever either. Yeah I be.

39:40

And I don't know but like I

39:43

think like productivity for you. Figuring

39:45

out what works for you and makes

39:47

you feel good about getting things done

39:49

that you need to get skyn Sentiment:

39:51

if I use analog from a bunk

39:53

the like to analog cards that you

39:55

ran out and it's. Is

39:58

great. You know in in that. Ritual of

40:00

like taking five minutes in the morning and be

40:02

I. Will. Get my Pillow Mccown,

40:04

my diesel counter, that everything I've agreed

40:07

to and I write that down into

40:09

a physical space. That's.

40:11

A very good ritual for me.

40:13

It's basically just saying. It's give

40:15

my brain five minutes a day

40:17

to like say okay, what are

40:19

we doing today What's the most

40:21

important thing to the scheduled things

40:23

to the least important thing now.

40:25

So. Or what do I

40:28

have scheduled and them what's most important

40:30

things get done in what's least important

40:32

and it's meal. The answer might surprise

40:34

I like up. It's let us

40:36

if the different tools of different categories to

40:38

I feel really into a to do app

40:41

or a calendar and email client or something

40:43

that cost of changing as high and sometimes

40:45

or little tools like there's one. I really

40:47

like a clean shot on Mac O S

40:49

as I just think is the nicest of

40:51

the like. Take a screenshot quick. I might

40:54

want to annotate it, I might want to

40:56

upload it. I might want to add texture,

40:58

I might want to add a border to

41:00

it. Like others, all these mites with a

41:02

screenshot. For me, the handles them all pretty

41:04

well. They might even. Be a movie

41:07

it might you know what might might

41:09

my my my to switch from. Something

41:12

else too bad I feel like

41:14

as a psych or one day

41:16

he really high disused this one.

41:18

Now I who cares enough but

41:20

productivity change lights but generally email

41:22

client for me as is a

41:24

much bigger deal but also that

41:26

it's not necessarily the tool that

41:28

provides the speed to enough I

41:30

feel the happened I I just

41:32

see that a lot an email

41:34

and there's a new email client.

41:36

It solves problems and you're like

41:38

does it though cause I think

41:40

you managing your email better. Is

41:42

the problem? Rape has nothing to

41:44

do with the client or you're

41:46

just lazy about on subscribing to

41:48

things and managing what comes in

41:50

and on are not here. But

41:52

I heard I've lots of thoughts

41:54

about email buffs a client is.

41:56

it's the solutions he adds. It's

41:58

funny, it's I got. They. He

42:01

know I think I used like Apple

42:03

mail on basic. Again, I'm a basic

42:05

be. It works. It

42:07

works fine for me. you know I

42:09

over the thing I do wish it

42:11

did was like stopped all these dumb

42:14

likes, have my boss on your podcast

42:16

or hate you want me to get

42:18

you a million tweets said tic tacs

42:20

You know like as in it's just

42:22

like did I wish that I could

42:24

stop that So it's when you have

42:26

cofounder on year linked then it's your.

42:29

Reps his sickness and worse that

42:31

it is the worst. the worst.

42:34

I feel you there and that.

42:36

Don't do it to a dramatic

42:38

reading of my Michael. I've a

42:40

different email for for code pen

42:42

specifically a mom and I would

42:44

have leaned into that and being

42:46

like if it's called unrelated I

42:48

use that and make that pretty

42:50

public. Do it says no Secrets

42:52

is Chris echoed ten that I

42:54

out and man as it full

42:56

of it's not spam, it's. Farmed.

42:59

I mean I guess it's spam, but it's different.

43:02

you know, Summer the think of spam as like

43:04

penis enlargement stuff or whatever. that discussed every email

43:06

address in the world. This is like. Hello!

43:10

This is Jimmy Bobby Bob

43:12

at Silversmith Venture Capital Incorporated

43:14

Fund. We would like to

43:16

talk to you this coming Monday. Here's a killer to

43:18

these links. Very important

43:20

that we for your success.

43:23

Company's success is success. Yeah.

43:26

I hand and somebody like. Message

43:29

me and this is just like my

43:31

last email and enough like those ago.

43:33

Yeah, They're. Like

43:36

we've identified disinvestment from who

43:38

like investors and and lire.

43:40

Now when didn't have a disappointment company

43:43

as us survey we'd like to talk

43:45

to are you up and to a

43:47

fifteen minute chat with our C O

43:50

to talk about investment firm and I'm

43:52

dislikes near no no no like you

43:54

should just talk to the six you've

43:57

identified. them send an email coat color

43:59

well. But I guess they're hoping

44:01

for like an inch or something. like

44:03

a falling and then they emailed me

44:06

like three months later. Literally three months

44:08

on the.like ah, almost to the minute

44:10

and they're like, are you interested in

44:12

this opportunity? Please follow up. You know

44:14

only. And I'm like a mega

44:17

hop on a fifty me a call to see what

44:19

you need in an email people. Say

44:21

like this crazy you say can you

44:23

in true me think you it's a

44:25

power dynamic thing if yeah they're trying

44:27

to get you on them because they

44:29

know that the how they can pay

44:31

the human angle of they probably have

44:33

a much higher success rate that were

44:35

whatever sales kind of operates that way

44:37

and if you're already a customer I've

44:39

see how I work with some companies

44:41

such as are always like we Gotta

44:43

Talk would gotta be on the forgot

44:45

it's gotta be a zoom in on

44:47

like know it doesn't enough. Ah,

44:51

Yes, But it's sad to power by whoever got

44:53

the most power can decide how the communications going

44:55

to go. When I bet I can like.

44:58

Cruise. Through this I can max

45:00

the date of this email to

45:02

the day they close to fifty

45:04

million round. You know, like like

45:06

I just. Could. Guarantee

45:08

like I'm just enemy.

45:11

Some. They're good and been muslim deploy

45:13

capital Naga says are named because will

45:15

get more spit him but they're wonderful

45:17

Met her own measures in there are

45:19

wonderful people some or go through a

45:21

common do a couple of quick erotic

45:23

ones we talked about in the web

45:25

pretty specifically. Ten. Episodes ago

45:27

or so. And

45:30

we said during it's like there's not, There's

45:32

no like a tutorial you can follow to

45:34

be in the web which was just kind

45:36

of a sentiment that was like. It's.

45:38

Not like that. There's so many little

45:40

aspects to it. There's so many different.

45:43

Parts. To at the it's not

45:45

just like a checklist or something. It's

45:47

not like do this one thing and

45:49

then year in the web. It kind

45:51

of his. It's kind of like have

45:53

your own website is a. Is

45:56

A you know that's the one big

45:58

check marks you could say. The to

46:00

be in the web but there's to see

46:02

another somebody will ask. So what people actually

46:04

means like are you publishing to the Feather

46:06

Verse? Are you you know? are you using

46:08

the posses mean that I can. That kind

46:10

of makes more like there's no tutorial for

46:12

that. Ah, but someone

46:14

wrote in and said they're kind of

46:17

his though if in the weather fi.me.

46:19

And it's set up as a kind of.

46:22

Level. One level to level three

46:24

things you can do. Is. A

46:27

pretty small little website but I'm it was

46:29

worth calling out to. The kind of is

46:31

like if that resonates with you, like just

46:33

tell me what to do. This

46:36

kind of tells you what to

46:38

do with increasing levels of cuisine.

46:40

How in the web are you

46:42

get your own domain name is

46:44

pretty pretty low level because do

46:46

that Mccain set up website and

46:48

I'm already out of less. Ah,

46:50

I think the. Something. About

46:53

Link realm Me: micro Format

46:55

Sure, I'm. I'm.

46:57

Our meals he can sign into your own

46:59

website. I don't know at is

47:01

that we're really what it means that you

47:03

that in order to you have to do

47:06

special off things even for your own website

47:08

see if I have is on my site

47:10

for me a test ah works perfectly. I'm

47:12

using it to sign in or verify myself

47:15

on mastodon which is a thing you can

47:17

do fianna, rally cars me on your website

47:19

on Nasa's on you build green tech bucks

47:22

on you are all and Massa okay. I.

47:24

Didn't really signing in do anything

47:26

that stuff like a verification step.

47:29

Parent. Of publishing to any web. Mark

47:31

up your content profound news articles with

47:33

micro formats to on the about a

47:36

H card. Noise code some

47:38

of the boxes green some the

47:40

account that and then. On

47:42

my post days on my post on

47:45

this is a reboot in them which

47:47

is good to any random posts is

47:49

one above. The

47:51

mouth guard my dentist prescribed mean a

47:53

see here. There's

47:56

no way around him as. My

47:59

boy. Ah, you're gonna

48:01

did not do that size and to

48:03

suffer Class lame D T Published. They

48:07

are. ah and I am not syndicates.

48:09

I'm a little skeptical on. Using

48:12

a prescribed set of classes like

48:14

the value that that brings. I

48:17

mean I guess devalues in the

48:19

web thread, but I don't know

48:21

that. Is that real? Near

48:24

the Atla. for me it's like

48:26

those are the first to go

48:28

in a receptor because I forget

48:30

what they were doing in the

48:32

first six, Right sakes? Why does

48:35

I? I could see it being

48:37

like a little bit like which

48:39

aged guy how you you know

48:41

if you're going to style a

48:43

button that his arm has opened

48:45

up. A. Damn somewhere you it's

48:47

year like requirements but are you expanded

48:49

true on it brain as you well

48:52

know. Yeah, it's kind of cool the

48:54

use that attribute then. In. Enough,

48:56

Don't have another attribute that says

48:58

expanded are open. To. The

49:01

area to be you had to use it anyway.

49:03

I could see that would like you just use

49:05

each entry hina yeah to use in any way

49:07

for your in the web grub right? So I

49:10

should just be using age and treats I am

49:12

not whoops know I'm not using it to the

49:14

best to my ability and then. Step.

49:17

To have to level two is add

49:19

web mention said which is this is

49:21

where I'm stuck. i haven't done that

49:23

and then reply contacts is a level

49:25

three. It's pretty hard but to me

49:28

that does she like a really beefy

49:30

part of it as like there's two

49:32

sides. There's like to be lots incoming

49:34

stuff to your website like oh my

49:37

god Jeremy talked about me a minute

49:39

habit automatically put something on my post

49:41

with that data that's hard and but

49:43

cool. I think that I'm aren't else

49:45

doing and pretty. Well on his side

49:47

are lots of the for incoming possibilities and

49:50

stuff. He always lose me when you gotta

49:52

use bridge year when I rarely who want

49:54

to though it seems. Good

49:57

but like too small of

49:59

a. Feals fragile

50:01

for say, and then moves is the

50:03

like. For example, bridge he got nuked

50:05

in the old twitter thing, right? I

50:07

get, didn't didn't pass the. Nothing

50:10

on have twitter anymore and that of for a

50:12

while that I would have i will pass to

50:14

me would have felt like wow that's lame than

50:17

me and I'm like that's where so much conversation

50:19

happens that what value is this if it doesn't

50:21

have that once I don't feel that way anymore

50:23

math and then there's the outgoing to which is

50:25

even more interesting to me with when you hit

50:28

publish. Does. It go

50:30

to all of your social networks because then

50:32

it's incentivizing you to that did. That's a

50:34

number one in the web thing to me.

50:37

Is that now I'm incentivized to do

50:39

all of my content creation on my

50:41

site. Spam? still taking part in. The.

50:44

Rest of the the web. It's just

50:46

that I didn't give my content to

50:48

the silos. I kept the content. They

50:50

can have the copy that well. Little.

50:53

Bit of a tutorial. Not bad. Mia

50:55

Hamm saved so it exists anywhere besides.

50:57

That means. It's cool, I'm I'm

50:59

still feeling ice. I'm probably overdue. Did

51:01

play with when mentions in sounds. anybody

51:03

can do it, you can do. I

51:06

feel like it's nice when you see

51:08

like some social validation on oppose. You

51:10

know if he's like you're trying to

51:12

use that metric is like us establish

51:14

your credit, a credit vienna, your street

51:16

friends and maybe that helps mm last

51:18

data like if what happens when I

51:20

saw if he's if you only do

51:22

the one way the one way I

51:24

just talked about like I published opposed

51:26

to news about this X idea. Chances

51:29

are these days is that hits Mastodon

51:31

because masters very touchy. There's gonna be

51:33

some good replies to it on Master

51:36

like did you think about this What

51:38

about this I just good stuff and

51:40

sometimes a my who I should like

51:42

screenshot that are copied as a blockquote

51:45

or something input as a comment on

51:47

the post. If I have comments of

51:49

off because I'm an information isn't lost

51:52

Me that the the beauty of web

51:54

mention is that this polls that puts

51:56

it on the post automatically to. Never

51:59

lost. That. Become

52:01

part of the. Canonical.

52:03

Posts for a nice to him.

52:05

Lines are going to be like

52:07

a typo a typo he type

52:09

stuff from while the never database

52:11

see delete them with the by

52:13

know tapers insist timeline on purpose

52:16

actually he was engagement tag on

52:18

types do that's a t shirts

52:20

typos or my engagement hack I'm

52:22

in like spells out gave me

52:24

wrong as of that's. A

52:28

that's an excellent Asia Netscape.

52:30

Maybe I maybe we on

52:32

his. Move will do shop here

52:34

for a Cs cause I could also

52:36

do a Sundays are for Rss T

52:39

shirt printing that begins. Saw that's a

52:41

nice one Yeah yeah and team even

52:43

just just build web sites is so

52:45

a class of yeah ah or this

52:47

is a great pieces of of follow

52:50

all of us who knows how many

52:52

episodes it was ago? so sorry but

52:54

this is Matt writing and with a

52:56

will story about Ultimate Guitar. If anybody's

52:58

a new it's not even just a

53:00

guitar site I'd say it's just. Like

53:03

tabs and chords and lyrics to Surf You

53:05

have some song you're looking up like hard

53:07

as they are. Pearl Jam's on Go or

53:09

whatever. There's a real high chance that Ultimate

53:12

Guitar if you put. That. Song

53:14

Chords at the top of your search

53:16

is going to be the one that

53:18

comes up. They must have given ungodly

53:20

amount of dress of Pearl Jam tabs

53:23

and like and I'm sure as the

53:25

corps but then as a just like

53:27

robin her wobble her guess is a

53:29

former fire name or call me Juri

53:31

Amaru. Yet despite. His

53:34

videos like this one word

53:36

is Like is covered her

53:39

neighbors a specific. Maybe

53:42

that's tabbed out to and Herb's and

53:44

Gibbs he sees has to still lots

53:46

of Unicode new Months to a mixed

53:48

feelings on the site. Sometimes.

53:50

On like this site's great. I'm glad

53:52

it exists. There's so much good, important

53:55

musical content on here. I'm glad somebody

53:57

is doing yes, you know if you

53:59

buy. Boy and sign up for pro.

54:01

It does get a lot cleaner. It has

54:03

actually kind of useful features. It does kind

54:05

of like my okay fine nurse. Also there's

54:07

a bunch of dark patterns on it. It's

54:09

not that good I can you. It's very

54:12

easy to look at the site and be

54:14

like I can think of five things to

54:16

clean up this page and to second season.

54:18

So please God yeah for sure have mixed

54:20

feelings are so Matt rights and he's like

54:22

okay a bunch of years ago he like

54:24

has all the same feelings about all of

54:26

them. a guitar. This is learning how to

54:28

build web sites and as. Like I'm

54:30

gonna come up with a better

54:33

one with a better guitar tab

54:35

experience in our superior to Ultimate

54:37

Qatar. But then. Experiences.

54:40

The real world's of building web

54:42

products so you know he makes

54:44

this Ina even his first prototype.

54:46

He says it's change the not

54:48

responsive the answers to tab web

54:50

sites He enters into this competition.

54:53

He lives in Australia and comes

54:55

out as like the one of

54:57

the top ten emerging music technologies

54:59

that an Australian music convention. pretty

55:01

cool around. yeah I think so.

55:03

A Judy damn right this does

55:05

does this in this area does

55:07

feel like it need some. Disruption.

55:09

And it's weird that you don't.

55:12

Say. It seems like you don't see

55:14

newcomers in at all that often, whereas

55:17

if you look up as I was

55:19

earlier, a marked down collaboration apps or

55:21

something, thirty six hundred of them or

55:23

something else. Yes, whatever that, you don't

55:25

see the tab sites all that much,

55:27

but he says. But someone from a

55:29

record label pulled me aside at one

55:31

point, explained that hosting tabs as a

55:33

logistical nightmare. It isn't the same as

55:35

playing music live or play music and

55:37

a public venue where there's some kind

55:39

of blanket law. Instead, you

55:42

need to have an individual license agreement with

55:44

each artist whose tabs you are hosting. My

55:46

understanding is that Ultimate Guitars the only company

55:48

to organize a bunch of lawyers to sort

55:50

this out back in the day and now

55:52

they have a huge motes as a result

55:54

and no one can else can enter the

55:57

space you may recall and fifteen years ago

55:59

that there are. Keep of guitars tab

56:01

sites they all disappeared around the

56:03

same time. This is why Ultimate Guitar

56:05

openly has dark patterns and Generals Snus

56:08

on the site. So very Go Monday

56:10

night maps. Just one guy but

56:12

seems like a pretty plausible story to

56:14

me. And in in jibes with the

56:17

experience I have with tabs on the

56:19

web over the me. Just ten a

56:21

letter to the F C C about

56:24

this monopoly. Yeah, that's you Dave.

56:26

same. There should be more friggin' lawsuits

56:28

and tag more Am not. A

56:30

sin tax yes Apple's getting sued

56:32

or through Ultimate Qatar Syrian of

56:34

yeah well as a run every

56:37

body piercing your what's it for

56:39

us as it's just it's a

56:41

little ridiculous. I mean there is

56:43

artist do like. Get

56:46

Money! You know. I mean like as an

56:48

artist you have the right to publish yon

56:50

tabs rate and so like. If.

56:52

Somebody comes along as like here's

56:54

the tabs I. Was. Ever

56:57

made him up Tonight. That's.

57:00

And theory lost revenue to you. Foot.

57:03

Snow is just the way music is.

57:05

Seems like that's just not how it

57:07

works. Humor aside, some it is gonna

57:09

stick to stuff. Your stuff is stolen

57:12

the minute you put it out. Selling

57:14

Sure how I feel about what have

57:16

you made a website that he and

57:18

like you went to a museum any

57:20

catalogued all the colors used in the

57:22

paintings and then you published like Painting

57:24

colors.com his idea to I have an

57:26

agreement with the painter's to be like

57:28

Genes. Few. Used Orange in that

57:31

painting. Can I tell people that. The

57:33

against the it seems similar to that

57:35

like you used the g cord in

57:37

this song. Can I tell people that

57:39

wrecked since I jeff Course you can

57:41

tell people that but ah I don't

57:43

know. It is does feel different like

57:45

you said. Can I have had Cpt.

57:48

Ah right! Some tabs for

57:50

a very famous British pop band

57:53

called the Shmita lives Googles

57:55

this Meet us. And.

57:59

It's. Is to. Is called guitars

58:01

mavs in every ethnicity but he

58:03

isn't is just smooth so mm

58:05

every song has some degrees fifteen

58:07

percent smurf are you can work

58:10

out the difference in your head

58:12

but it is. In. Purposefully

58:15

royalty free for free or

58:17

use with numbers. Creepers The

58:19

air smells ma'am Smirnoff Smirnoff

58:22

smell damn is one of

58:24

my since they can this

58:26

Murder on Earth insists on

58:28

vocals lyrics anyway. but yeah

58:31

and I and I have

58:33

B S. I'd be

58:35

curious. mom. Just. Funny

58:37

man, it's it's funny. What makes

58:39

things good like guitar tabs rates.

58:41

Like The reason we like music

58:43

is because we share music. We

58:45

pirated music on ah tapes and

58:47

so on off the radio and

58:49

gave him to friends and you

58:51

know and like that mean music

58:53

good and popular. and then we

58:55

saw going to be threes and

58:57

then we gave a new people

59:00

and then Metallic is like don't

59:02

do that and this is surprisingly

59:04

of Metallica and. The.

59:06

Thing that makes a good as the

59:08

openness and the sharing of music rather

59:10

the free flowing nature of it. But

59:12

then he now in it gets kind

59:14

of weird and locked down and but

59:16

ads and spam and suddenly becomes not

59:18

so good enough. I'm all for artist

59:20

getting paid but and to assist Sutter.

59:23

Said to sing but for those huge

59:25

unsolvable problem however I would say unsolvable

59:28

It probably does have solutions them. But.

59:31

They are. They are tricky. It's

59:33

it's It's so easy to have

59:35

to feel both ways at the

59:37

same time. Me like ah, it's

59:39

just music man, let it be

59:41

free. Pay a lockdown. Something like

59:43

that assists sound waves yo and

59:45

then some people being like yeah

59:47

but. I work really

59:50

hard on that. My whole life is

59:52

dedicated to it and so is yours.

59:54

Say that all that stuff should be

59:56

free. That means I don't get to

59:58

exist in the world and. That sucks.

1:00:00

Yeah, the I were year sound waves

1:00:03

sound like my sound waves own view

1:00:05

owe me money. That's also interesting to

1:00:07

me as somebody who's played four Chords

1:00:09

buses. It's relief.

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