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intruding on nature. Briefing.

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true stories radio adventures

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the noise had regress

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to a level that hadn't been see

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since the nineteen seventy today

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they prospectus of time i'm

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not from point a to b number

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their past is our future now future

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past here today

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look at the time right now as

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you listening to this

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my i am twenty to

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thirty thousand and

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week before this go on the radio

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i'm half moment

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masquerading as the present tense

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leaving

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on in the feature

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i want to start today by challenging

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your understanding of chronology and

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time with , everyone

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and understanding is time that grounded and

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we and the present and the feet

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and not discreet things not

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chain of events extending that to

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beginning that things that

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exist simultaneously in

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constant conversation with one another

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the

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trees have story the birds

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have story the snakes have story

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and this story will go on forever

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i

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don't care how old is it's else

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and thought the biggest all his biggest and best just

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a religion is

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, fitted in this whole

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continent

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their country belongs to us

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from time beginning

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don't need have western dot dices

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this is our story we don't have

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to justify twenty one

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the only is archaeologists came got

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dates it's six or twelve eleven

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going back sixty five thousand years

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and don't ever put the dreaming having time

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people do seeking women a straight

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line

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the past will always be here

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yeah prospectus time and

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not from point a to b

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they are passed is our future now features

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here today

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we don't reach night we see it as

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the rainiest

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women at burial his penthouse in

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the house he tweeted system

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and be sixty thousand years

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ago that , yesterday

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is like our grandmother who will grandfather

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one of l p i'm

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the nomination to look after he insists

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is an ac for elders

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as wild as yell out and country when they getting some

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it's a to let the spirits of past

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know the coming in peace and that

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your intentions are good the

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to allow you safe passage if

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you doing that than yourself can be recognizing

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signs to tell you the get out

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and i have survived

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we find stuff because although people want us

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to find a coin

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for us

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yeah same the

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at a census please some special place

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they

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become more junior chino for you just

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say

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or you get a sign like those the that

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five his chance

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the thing happened

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but never be complacent never seem

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to know everything

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one of their first job was on fraser

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all of us could like a

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rowdy we record

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only scott trees or it and

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, does small business partners and all golden

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glove box of same things yeah

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from the toughest guys we

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should move go it's a big like bouquet

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of half bouquet of will travel that have

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sex and half in morning then we have

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a job done

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like to see this remember that noise

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six , with and they would have

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would farther than go to bed early

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seven

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and all hardly hear these noises spanish

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might like baboon orangutan

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hauntingly

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sam and i have two grown strong men who

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can atelier

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this is nothing though both nothing

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in australia makes these haunting

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move

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okay my christian a for , far

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as he gonna , retire

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and off we went upstairs it's rich

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maybe two guys in their prime

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running lights save up this track with

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fear in our hearts just with

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new would been haunted out finance or that area

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new

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of

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that however

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let me read like ,

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this is known as the men's initiation

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area and no one's to

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go it's no man's land

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i have had those type

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of feelings both in my

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country and in out of

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people's countries and it's the elders

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that have told me that does not surprise

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to go to the woman

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fat burning site worth burial

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area

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these are people news for dad's dead

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singer let ,

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know double a common in do

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some lift memory left with

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smokers else it

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helps leave the spirits birthday

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, not follow you you

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trees you from that and freeze

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them from you is party

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if i go into an area now as

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a fully initiated man i

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, sing out to them up in that i'm not com

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and will throw off and that would make sure

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that steaks dies down there would

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have being there that that threaten

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us as in total there

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is a rough in the one or the like i'm up

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in some in uncommon

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see me the

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job or lazy and

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i'm going to run man with links

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through my mother to the literature yeah

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, data and big data people

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we are the red ochre people of the

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desert yes i am an archaeologist

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archaeologist something that i'd never in my wildest

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dreams thought given

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that given come from the town camps of

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alice springs we lived in corrugated

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on houses with the flaws

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my mom and my grandmother never

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, us forget forget

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we the from and way we were

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down

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and we traveled this country

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on foot i can they

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someone's receiving so long

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we navigate was say was mid level guy

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for the sky at ,

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night doesn't make any sense to travel

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in the die in the in the

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out and travel not

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new follow that salon european

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school the southern cross southern must

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follow that this the moon

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stars the mountain ranges

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the waterways motorways

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gray holidays

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am i going up book and read my country

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with my grandmother she ,

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that's where them to sustain some i've been

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looking down when it comes

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to set them the hills can the same in the

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hills and sit do a drawing on ground

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and show me that that

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at night we didn't have tv line

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, bush looking up at the sky

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in the still tell him the same stories about them

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to sister's coming down and that's

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where surgery today i danced and then

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made them hills and later on see

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them to him and odd man mail thursday

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in assam to women now out of it a

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thought

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even though they thought we were coming

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could little black fellas and being

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good christians were

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, the hell and savages of western

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desert let me tell you we run around

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naked he he our good up with

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a red eyes of it

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they called isn't pillow of the

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dying rice those ,

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silly gone anyway we're not

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gonna anyway we're the

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whole concept of the time is

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lost when that

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mountains leveled all

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out meaning of that mountain as

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gone well

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it histories last the last

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because of the destruction corey

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is taken away we

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lose their phones we

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lose their direction lose

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their meaning to life

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no wish to tell those stories you

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can't give their stories up there

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, more important to us us

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iraq is know that what was what is

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, there but

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that still live in

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and in here

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it had agents and pit and

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aboriginal and torres strait islander archaeologist

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an anthropologist and

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times you perella wickman and

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or into ceremony man archaeologist

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man artist from the western desert

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davon sam a partners or australia's

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first indigenous archaeological

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consultancy aboriginal archaeologists

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australia they've

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been working together for thirty one years

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the everyone was made for us by jay

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friends

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i want the back of my most endearing

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sonic memory of the past few years

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the , in lockdown when the background

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some of the city was quieted the

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rare and beautiful experience

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of the numbers of cars on road and

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planes the sky being smaller

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than the numbers of birds around me

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as the noise pollution briefly died

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down around world a

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whole new musical rains opened

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up for the bad

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the tip of the peninsula where

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golden gate bridge tenzin there is

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plenty of shrubs by it is

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incredibly noisy and usually

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it's the to read

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the a lot people kind of looking at you funny

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and wondering what you're doing as or like sneaking

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around the bush citizen holding this parabola

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up the air

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i can take a while to get a good son

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the heard by thirty or white transfers

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and are these feisty little sparrows

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with black and white racing stripes

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on their heads and they lives

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up and down the telephone the call

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her

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with offers like t m

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and the complex

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, is settled settled

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then sometimes there's some buses

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neither see

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the white house verify his family

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getting higher pitch over time

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and

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that coincides

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, the increase the

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and car annoys and trafficking

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is over the past fifty years

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so

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we think that's because there's trade off between

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being heard it all surface noisy

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you finish a submarine

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the interesting louder and

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less broadband he

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has to lower his shows sugar the masks

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finals anyway

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though in the spring of twenty twenty

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hi was gearing

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up for few

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the and all of a sudden

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you know everything was getting cancelled

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so i'm sitting i'm sitting apartment and

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you know i'm going on my daily walks

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to get exercise and it's some

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moonscape out there there's no one out totally

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quiet and then my

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collaborator my former mentor lives

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dairy barry calls me then

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she says i just saw photo

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of the golden gate bridge totally empty

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though i went up there with my recording equipment

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and no

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one around i

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opened door hit

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, smells so neuer smells like the

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ocean smells like the back or s

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and the same scrub brush

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this completely silent

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and you feel kind of strange

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you feel alone so isolated

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and hell i began my

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recordings and the

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white crowds were everywhere

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mail one over here and mail to over

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there four five six

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in the distance

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delicious much easier

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to hear these birds and find them and

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the actually seemed little bit shy or two

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so just being in that golden gate area

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no cars coming over

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he was just a totally different world sell

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, i shouldn't either either as if i was

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intruding on nature to

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say we're having their moment

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find a mate

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set up a territory under and arrested

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for the first time and probably a hundred

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years and

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i was there watching it

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it definitely seemed like

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birds are singing louder i could hear them

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were clearly sweats

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the analyze the songs they're actually singing quieter

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and was so quiet in the soundscapes

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that they seemed louder the

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noise had faces when was rest

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the level that hadn't been seen since

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the nineteen fifties

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why spend energy yelling at top of

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your lungs if you don't have to make sense

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if your little bird

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the other thing that

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i was surprised about that they were

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singing higher performance songs

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no i don't speak bird i'd like to

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think do so i can say

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for sure that they were changing their songs and anyone

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that we analyze the songs they are singing

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again wider range of knows

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and seeing their trills more quickly

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so they can really send

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an honest

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boko capabilities

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who as making these

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recordings i'm curious to see

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vocal performance gonna get worse as noise

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increases as it was

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in the past why

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would there be some hangar on specifically

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i'm interested i'm interested brown crown

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males that were born

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in in twenty twenty so they were in their nest

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next goal game image listening

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to their fathers and their neighbors and hearing

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those high

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foreman hands i

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think penalty really interesting to see

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how that affected next generation of

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her

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that

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was my first by kelly and listened

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and chi a sea run and

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, eg the voice of jenny phillips she

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said the field recordings used to create

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pimp were

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, about birds opening up kindness

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more complicated and difficult chromatic

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ranges with the things

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i would like some carson to prescribe it

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would be a very beach for thing for me when i'm

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walking on the park with a were rely ras

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see them

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and perhaps some the kinda

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the power balance i'm

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, only tyler of course there

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are talks about witnesses and would

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love to see the birds typically change will

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feature when with levys i just

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i just would like to see the

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we closing our numbers episode

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in the rhythm of six ice with

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, and creator iris

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my bargain iris

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told us as and sake

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but there are two types of peasants those

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who love six eight and liars

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the

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great is much more than

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time signature and rhythm is

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an expression of joy and

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celebration is woven into

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our cultural fabric and husband's so

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many hundreds of years practically

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, person weddings that have ever

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taken place all ties in house

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parties all events the required joy

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to be present in the room statuary

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his line in on the wings of the

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six eight rhythm rhythm this

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musical him the case and iris

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takes us back to nineteen eighty nineteen to

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nineteen canada where he was born the

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sitting in car seat in the back of

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a red don't saturday is

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, is behind the wheel the sun

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is hanging quite low in the sky and costing

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orange light in the passenger side window

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he told us he can remember all it's easy

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but he doesn't consider this visual memory

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because , thing that he remembers most

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is to sound his

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dad's fingers on steering wheel

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that red light when i heard you for the first

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anthony

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steering

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not that no

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no matter

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how broke

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you were their rhythm of my mother's last

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and her mother's before mother's

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you were the dancers as long as our and

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steps to falling there

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from the wrestling ratio to give on the

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zeus rating palm leaves of khuzestan

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you are the sorrows the read see how

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sings of separation from the river

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sixteen you

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were the vanished sham still loved

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by the dying roomy

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a street named after food you

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were the rose water and ice cream the

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saffron in our t

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you are the callous

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of the carpet readers finger the

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heartbeat for loom

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blue

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there was not in red light when i heard you for the first

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the were right there between the turn signals

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