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Sounds Music Radio podcasts,

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Hello! I'm. Jc Long near Listen

1:21

to The Pocus, The Shortcuts and as

1:23

I've been recording it this week has

1:25

been some really, really intense. Storms battering

1:28

us here in the Uk, particularly

1:30

in Scotland, And I hope if

1:32

you're listening that you're okay. I hope

1:34

if you've got a garden hasn't been

1:36

rec the think of with the trees

1:38

in the animals in the birds and

1:40

I feel for them so deeply and

1:42

and also in local news my do

1:44

is play house absolutely thrown. Across the

1:46

garden, we're. Lucky they didn't land

1:48

in the close behind us where

1:51

their lives are. Very unfriendly. dog.

1:57

This is short cut. He

2:01

insists she. Made

2:04

in cages and. It

2:08

on. Who. I'm

2:12

recording this it greece

2:15

between as to whether.

2:20

He can server

2:22

on come. On

2:26

a train coming back, the clock and. Through

2:29

How many trees? Completely

2:33

up moved rent from the

2:35

ground by the when things

2:37

go so. Fast that has

2:39

present tense. Stance

2:42

it for the current moment because you

2:44

feel house leading the at. this is

2:46

rain against the windows here, harassing hey

2:49

it pounding on the skylight on the

2:51

up with every. The

2:54

trees a slang is say kids outside

2:56

and I know cotton or neighbors washing

2:58

line is in ten days or. A

3:04

festering his attorney Three differences

3:06

have a family tree, the

3:08

roots of which were put

3:10

down by attorney think I'm

3:12

a New Jersey in nineteen

3:14

forty two. This

3:17

is my throat and memory.

3:21

see after all white

3:23

sauce tell from long.

3:26

Have turned nineteen forties.

3:28

Something like that. Ah,

3:31

unlocked We see is

3:34

a young slapstick man

3:36

was on the snowplows.

3:40

Just some trying trunks. oh I

3:42

just. Left

3:45

the captain. In

3:49

the background you can. See some

3:51

circus? Tent. And

3:55

a dusty Rhodes somewhere in in

3:57

the sweetest landscape. I

4:03

was told that he was. A

4:05

trapeze artist. He

4:08

looks a little tense. I think

4:10

he's concentrating on looking good. They

4:13

can sell stock. And

4:17

strong Looking Strong. And

4:19

what was your reaction

4:21

the first time you

4:23

saw this picture I

4:25

was very surprised, almost

4:27

shock and actually. I

4:31

can understand the. A

4:34

young woman. A young girl

4:37

must have. Sought

4:39

this unknown. Man in

4:42

the small say let's. Just

4:46

passing by as Love Looking

4:48

for some. Fun! And

4:52

it must have

4:54

been pretty exciting.

4:59

I found out about my

5:01

grandfather when my son called

5:04

me and was confused because

5:06

he hadn't done a dna

5:08

test and that the immediacy

5:11

got a minutes. And

5:16

he asked me how.

5:19

Can this person Be. A

5:21

relative who have what?

5:24

What Are the connections?

5:26

With. Men:

5:31

To read it and the dna

5:33

test to and the he is

5:36

should the same. Soon

5:38

I realized. That

5:42

the man that my

5:44

grandmother and my father

5:47

with. Like

5:49

now, it's obvious that.

5:51

The trapeze artist is actually

5:54

my grand. It

5:57

seems that he was a player.

6:00

And that he has

6:02

had. At

6:04

least a bunch of the chills

6:07

and that he knew of act

6:09

hadn't taken care. Of. I

6:12

know of. I think for

6:14

four or five. My

6:18

dad and then maybe. For more. There

6:27

is a suitcase full of

6:29

letters. From we men.

6:32

He. Has had a some

6:34

kind of relationship with I

6:36

guess mostly one night stands

6:38

in the villages where the

6:40

circus stopped for a mom

6:42

or two days. And

6:46

some of them as I

6:48

have had children. That.

6:51

He the father of. Women

6:54

who right same and sensing

6:56

photos are drawing set the

6:58

kids have done to him

7:00

asking him when he will

7:02

cool. I

7:05

very much wants to feed those

7:07

letters. In this case, Ah

7:11

my cousins don't really

7:13

want to me do

7:15

that cause it's a

7:17

sensitive to ah difficult

7:19

to talk about the

7:21

letters. Some for show the

7:23

letters because. They are

7:25

about abandonment and betrayals.

7:29

One maybe one day I can. Read.

7:36

We're supposed to be

7:38

safe in our marriage,

7:40

in our. Love

7:42

relationships. Most people.

7:45

Expect that from the

7:48

ones you love and

7:50

fans you betray. Some

7:52

mum and are unsafe

7:54

fool. People. Mostly

7:56

do that. In Secrets.

8:00

This kind of secrets. They

8:05

can kind of get cap

8:07

sealed and travel and down

8:10

in the coming generations. And

8:14

this can show in in

8:16

different ways. And.

8:18

Often you don't know why.

8:22

They. See the impact why it

8:24

pass. Because it

8:26

has to do with this own

8:28

see. It's

8:33

all seventy miles on my own

8:35

that. He

8:39

didn't see him a lot

8:41

during my childhood. Of thing

8:43

we knew there was always

8:45

son new woman with a

8:48

recent. Thing.

8:50

Either waiting for me to go

8:52

to bed or. Maybe

8:55

a whole thing. We're all

8:57

wondering if she would be

8:59

my new and. Ah,

9:02

there's. No

9:07

as an adult. I.

9:10

I have. My

9:13

mind. He he

9:16

didn't prioritize me or or my.

9:18

Siblings at all. Either

9:22

way, we. All have mother's

9:24

me, my siblings. Yell

9:31

cause I was curious about

9:34

my new granddad. so I

9:36

the and did some googling

9:38

your someone some old the

9:40

articles on the internet without

9:43

him and I also asked

9:45

my new consensus look what

9:47

material they have. The

9:50

first suffered just felt messages.

9:52

To each other. And then

9:54

we actually met some. Now

9:57

we have. I

10:00

like them very much. Name's Erin. Nice.

10:03

They. Told me about suitcase

10:05

with the leftovers and

10:08

was also told me

10:10

more details about him.

10:13

I have understood that he was.

10:17

Quite to stingy. Just

10:20

like my father. And

10:24

day. He was also very

10:27

good at the wood carvings.

10:30

My dad is an academic that He's

10:33

also. Carpenter. Ah,

10:35

so maybe that's. Something

10:39

he inherited from is.

10:44

And what else does I

10:46

learned? he he is my

10:48

grand that was very to

10:50

sit in history and then

10:52

the vikings so so that's

10:54

not really my dad but

10:56

he's also. Very interested.

10:58

In. History. Just

11:01

like me who. Have.

11:05

Started thinking about than imagining

11:07

my grand. Touring

11:10

in Sweden. All

11:13

the smooth say choose

11:15

how the circus live

11:18

was said Sam. and

11:21

will stand there with shit

11:23

showing off his muscles and

11:25

to trying to. Attract some

11:28

girl from so the

11:30

village. The

11:34

funny thing is that the man

11:36

who is the father own might.

11:39

Have three on. It

11:42

was all such peace and been.

11:45

An. Idea.

11:53

What's the sounds of

11:55

this coincidence? It's almost.

11:58

That it's a small. A

12:02

happy coincidence. It

12:05

must be some kind of legacy.

12:07

What does that look like? Finding

12:20

out. About

12:22

my new grand? that. It

12:26

has given. Some

12:29

steps to my life. And.

12:37

I also feel

12:39

they still. Angry

12:44

and ah with my

12:46

father. And

12:50

it's difficult to explain. Why?

12:55

But I think it has to

12:57

do Also have that. My

13:01

grandad it explains.

13:05

Some. My fault.

13:09

The he became the blue

13:11

sheet is. So

13:16

it's a little more easy to

13:18

forgive him. Been. Father.

13:23

Died. Sounds like it. I

13:25

can say rebates are not

13:27

that I'm not, but it

13:29

has of course for me

13:31

as a person to have

13:33

a similar Adelson percent and

13:35

it's such a bad father.

13:56

Muscles and Memories was made for us by

13:58

the order. Pretty sad to read. Christopher.

14:01

She sent us a photo of

14:03

the trapeze artist in question. He's

14:05

affecting the kind of muscle man

14:08

pokes a he likes really he

14:10

sucking his stomach in which must

14:12

have been the first one of

14:14

the time which is very strange

14:16

and he's wearing quite high pants.

14:19

the look a bit like a

14:21

know if is t bikini bottom

14:23

almost is a very focused expression

14:25

and face and quite cost if

14:27

you really imagine him striding from

14:30

village to village. With people

14:32

in his right. Next

14:37

the Odeon producer. Cali Anderson

14:40

explores an accidental family

14:42

to decide. Which.

14:44

Uncovers the roots of language.

14:48

It should be in here. In

14:51

your baby for. All

14:54

three on top. Luck. Tallies:

14:58

First words: How can the last five

15:00

or six. Nineteen Eighty

15:02

Three. One

15:05

off. A

15:08

cliff back for short for back in

15:10

a minute. And

15:13

who's was her finger up back like you can take

15:15

sure it when you read it like that? Yeah Lol

15:17

Senior. In the as fast as

15:20

assets the I'm gonna say

15:22

that as if you can

15:24

recognize them as hindi. T

15:27

don't know that's when you say outside

15:29

sometimes Hindi oh it's windy this season.

15:31

discussing I split my eyes you can

15:34

get stiff neck of the sixth that

15:36

is indeed. Think

15:38

we started the list because we

15:40

thought we'd remember all your first

15:43

words and then there's just so

15:45

many of them. That

15:47

we thought we'd better, right? The modest. Success.

15:59

of that's what You see that all

16:01

the time too? A disc. A

16:05

disc. Tumble. Oh

16:08

that one's so cute. Tumble. Tumble.

16:12

This one. Do you remember this one? Oh

16:14

yeah. Ho wee ho wee,

16:17

dive da, fly truck. Ho wee ho wee, dive

16:19

da, fly truck. Ding, ding, ding, ding,

16:21

ding, ding, ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding,

16:23

ding. You

16:25

started doing this, did you know like my parents

16:27

had also done this for me when I was

16:29

around 18 months or two or whatever? I

16:33

don't think that I knew. Honestly

16:35

though, my short term memory was not good. I

16:38

could have told your mom and dad that I

16:40

was doing this and they could have told me

16:42

that they had typed out these words that you

16:44

said. I really think that I

16:46

just didn't know. And I just felt

16:49

like it was something that I wanted to do

16:51

because it was such a big part of my

16:54

daily interactions with both

16:57

kids. Do you guys

16:59

like having these books? Yeah. Why

17:02

do you like them? They're

17:04

really funny. They are

17:06

very funny. But it

17:08

also reminds me of the things I used to say. Do

17:11

you remember saying any of those things? Not really,

17:13

right? No. Because a lot

17:15

of them were from before you can remember. Is

17:18

it funny to imagine that that

17:20

was actually you saying all those things?

17:22

Yes. Yeah, it's funny. It's

17:30

interesting if you write things down, you go

17:32

back and go, oh, this

17:35

started when this person was like 0

17:37

to 3 years old. Yeah, that's true. And

17:39

see what they were interested in and what they were feeling.

17:43

And look at you. Look what you

17:45

do in your profession and what you

17:47

were best with. Yeah,

17:52

there you go. And I

17:54

always got the feeling that you

17:56

were trying to say

17:59

things. before you could actually

18:01

get the language. So

18:05

you just made up your own language. You

18:07

realized you had learned a language. Yeah,

18:10

that was being devised by

18:12

you. Yeah. And... And

18:16

were you afraid you would forget them all, basically? Oh,

18:18

yeah, I knew it, because I was forgetting them

18:20

already. That's why I thought

18:23

I had to write it down. I

18:29

just thought it was really interesting and really

18:31

special how they were starting

18:35

to be able to express themselves.

18:38

They started saying one word, or they

18:40

started making a sound that sounded like

18:43

a word, and it sort of had

18:45

meaning for us,

18:47

but other people would hear it and not

18:49

really be able to understand. And

18:52

I wasn't afraid that I was going

18:54

to forget. I knew that I was going to forget some

18:57

of those very early words, or

19:00

some of the early sentences that they started to put

19:02

together. There's so much of that

19:04

time that we kind of can't remember, unless we happened

19:06

to have a photo and we happened to see it

19:08

get something on video. Yeah. It's

19:11

nice to have this. I mean, someone told

19:13

me at the time, when they had a little baby,

19:18

some of their mom was like, oh, it's sort of like things

19:21

go so fast that you have, what

19:26

did she call it, present tense

19:28

nostalgia, the feeling of

19:30

nostalgia almost, but it's coming so quickly.

19:33

It's like you're having it while the thing is

19:35

happening. You're nostalgic for the

19:37

current moment because you feel how fleeting they

19:39

are. And once you've had a few of

19:41

these big changes or big developments,

19:43

you start to feel that feeling of

19:45

like everything

19:47

that happens is only here for such a short time. And

19:50

so you almost start to miss the thing almost

19:53

as it occurs. And so for

19:55

me, when I think of some of these, or

19:58

ones that I would have told you, like, oh, write that one. It's

20:01

because you know they're going to stay 100 times in

20:03

one day or 1,000 times in one week

20:06

and then maybe two weeks never again. awn

21:13

I'm going off here How043

21:16

out? uh

21:20

uh then

21:23

she seems awaaay

21:29

she's like put on a button

21:35

she 200 She'll

21:49

help her all the

21:51

silly witers that I nearest then

21:55

why the hell can that

21:57

Run a run around. And.

22:34

Here's a chain link fence of

22:36

President Thein the fountain. With my

22:38

two young children, I remember my

22:40

own efforts to try to get

22:43

my older daughter to keep saying

22:45

idiosyncratic pronunciations or miss pronunciations. She's

22:47

to say Nasa instead of Nasser

22:49

eight and we loved it so

22:52

much and then one day she

22:54

learnt and then she never said

22:56

messier a dense a Me and

22:58

her father would constantly be like

23:00

sweet tangy. Tennis Yeah and he

23:03

would look at me like you

23:05

idiot. That's nice. I hit

23:07

that feeling you're clinging on to

23:09

for one more day, one more

23:11

time to the the and little

23:13

it's or a sense of your

23:16

children knowing that they will embody

23:18

hundreds of different. It's a race

23:20

and fleetingly. For

23:26

closes his eyes and a sonic curries

23:28

cause I'm. A

23:30

musician is in detour. wanted

23:32

to create an audience any

23:34

that trace. Have read a

23:36

bilingual meditation on the places

23:38

existed before and on the

23:40

road, something we often. Forget was

23:42

native to many parts of Asia. Which

23:45

made it certainly from China to years

23:47

in the seventeen hundreds. Seem

23:51

to wheezing was by the

23:53

artist and pilot has an

23:55

English and Mandarin. This is

23:58

reclaiming the run. He

24:03

writes names on the cheeks. The

24:07

moon rises, a distant campfire.

24:13

I gaze into the black. And. The

24:17

last was an and autumn wind. Is

24:21

he sat in the early hours of the

24:23

morning. Contain

24:28

the silliest to collect. The

24:39

moment I phone my head inside.

24:45

Thinking of some i to about

24:47

anything this. Have

24:51

been I'm just passing by. And

24:58

spoon weeks. And

25:01

now a Frost Sauce kind maleness.

25:10

Such as calls. Guiding

25:14

the last. Twenty. Eight

25:21

from the witchcraft say as a month

25:23

to make is. Flowing.

25:30

through their reza as memories. To

25:39

say my children cries. I.

26:44

I'm I'm I'm sitting. Here.

26:50

Since to the go.

26:57

Through to say. He

26:59

says it's. To.

27:12

Time to. Any.

27:46

Move. He

28:04

don't. Really

28:18

do the computer? Mozilla,

28:21

Put some. Town. Thing.

29:05

I'm looking out the window and

29:07

even though it's raining, I really

29:09

felt I'm in the com between

29:11

the two stones. And

29:14

I'm thinking about one of the

29:16

trees has survived allies went, and

29:19

hoping that of either Ken, how

29:21

long it takes to put down

29:23

those roots and grow, and how

29:26

quick and system. Can take. Thank.

29:37

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29:39

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