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Hi.

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I am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver

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Hudson. We wanted to do something

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that highlighted our relationships and what it's

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like to be siblings. We

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are a sibling ravalry.

0:21

No, no, sibling, don't

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do that with your mouth.

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Revelry. That's

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good.

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Hello, and welcome to

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solo sibling revelry.

0:42

Meaning my sister is a

0:44

working stiff.

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I am not. I currently am

0:48

on spring break. I

0:50

am drinking a course light.

0:53

My kids are running around, and

0:56

I am filling in for

0:58

my sister, and I'm filling in.

1:02

For just you know.

1:04

I mean, I feel like this

1:06

should be a priority and not her acting.

1:10

But you know, we're on different pages and that's fine.

1:14

But I'm happy.

1:15

You know what, maybe there's a chance that

1:17

I'll be better solo. Maybe

1:20

all of your writings and comments will

1:23

come in and be like, you know what, drop

1:26

the movie star, Drop

1:29

the sister with eighteen billion

1:31

followers, who is

1:33

seemingly the engine behind all of this,

1:35

Drop her, because the real goddamn

1:39

talent is Oliver Hudson.

1:42

There's a real possibility that happened.

1:45

So yeah, I

1:47

would appreciate comments about

1:50

sort of you know how I

1:52

did, although you know what, I don't need

1:54

a fucking comment.

1:56

I know I'm good at this, you know what I mean?

1:58

I know I can do this.

2:00

And we have a really cool guest on today,

2:02

or I have a really cool guest on today.

2:05

Her name is Robin Lively. I

2:07

have known her since I was shit

2:09

six years old.

2:12

We're gonna talk about it, but she was She played

2:14

my my mom's daughter

2:16

in Wildcats, and

2:19

I was deeply and madly

2:22

in love with her. And

2:24

I'm gonna tell her that. And you

2:26

know, I know I'm married and have a

2:29

million kids. I think she's married with a million kids. But I

2:31

just want to see if there's still a shot, you know. I

2:33

mean, I think there's only a four year difference, so you

2:36

never know. I worked with her half

2:38

brother. It's it's

2:40

gonna be fun. We both have sort of

2:42

siblings who have reached

2:44

the pinnacle of fame

2:47

and stardom and success. And

2:51

you know, let's see if she's as frustrated as.

2:53

I am that I

2:55

didn't quite fucking make it. I mean I

2:57

did.

2:58

But anyway, enough of me ranting,

3:01

please welcome, Let's bring on. Let's open the

3:03

door for Robin Lively.

3:06

How are you.

3:08

I'm amazing.

3:09

How are you?

3:10

Holy shit, you like have not changed.

3:12

You still look young as shit, You're still beautiful

3:14

as ever.

3:16

Yay, thank you so much.

3:20

I can't believe how long it's been since

3:22

I've seen you.

3:23

Yeah, it's it's insane.

3:25

I mean, let me start by saying that I was

3:27

head over heels in love with you. I mean,

3:30

oh god, I mean I was a young boy, even

3:33

though I'm forty seven.

3:34

So what are we four years apart? Five years apart

3:36

or something like that.

3:38

Yeah, okay, so obviously right

3:40

now we're both adults and old and

3:43

you know, we.

3:43

Both hear death. But

3:49

Wildcats.

3:50

Mom did this movie, Wildcats, and then Robin

3:53

was her daughter, and I

3:55

mean, man, Brandy was

3:57

played your younger sister, your

4:00

age appropriate.

4:01

But I was completely in love

4:03

with you. I was like, oh my god, this

4:07

is.

4:07

The sweetest thing I've ever heard. I have

4:10

a vivid memory of you

4:12

and Kate out playing,

4:15

like on a swing set outside somewhere.

4:18

Didn't you have cute little glasses?

4:20

Yeah? I mean you did, right.

4:22

Yes, that trip, which was in Chicago

4:26

is where it was shot, was very memorable for

4:29

me.

4:30

Ah, Purple Rain had

4:32

just.

4:32

Come out, and oh, my

4:35

god.

4:35

I was obsessed with Prince and

4:37

so that album reminds

4:39

me of being in Chicago.

4:44

Or they were anything, you know.

4:46

Oh, I have the greatest

4:49

memories on set

4:51

and with Woody was like my buddy.

4:54

And it was, you know, before cell phones.

4:57

And I remember being on stage

5:00

and we all would wait for the stage phone,

5:03

and I think we had pageeros at the time.

5:06

So Witty was paiged by his agent

5:08

and I was waiting in line to use the phone, and

5:11

he was so excited to get stop the phone with

5:13

his agent. He's like, oh my god, I can't believe

5:15

it. I just booked Cheers. I

5:18

was like, artists, Wow, yes,

5:20

yes.

5:21

Yes, wow wow

5:24

epic?

5:24

Is that?

5:25

Oh my god?

5:26

So what when did you get started? Like you've

5:28

been an actor for a thousand years, right,

5:31

I mean at.

5:31

Least at least one thousand. When I was three.

5:34

You were three, So how did that even happen?

5:37

So my mom, my mom is a model,

5:40

and she was young she started

5:42

having she she had my oldest

5:44

sister when she was nineteen, so she

5:47

was really young when she had us. So she would drag

5:49

us everywhere to all of her jobs

5:51

or and I remember, I

5:53

don't remember this actually, but she told

5:56

me that they were. They

5:58

were like, Oh, your kids are so cute, should

6:00

put them in an add with you. And then so

6:02

we started doing commercials and print.

6:04

We got an agent, and this was all

6:06

in Atlanta, in Georgia, and

6:10

literally it's just all I've ever known. I think

6:13

I did my first National Network commercial when I

6:15

was three, and then a

6:17

movie of the Week when I was five. And

6:19

then we moved when I think I was probably

6:21

like around nine.

6:22

It moved LA and then we

6:24

just kept going and going.

6:26

Yeah, yeah, how.

6:28

Do you navigate all that? You know what I mean? Like

6:30

you see Silets documentary.

6:33

You looked at all the kids, yes.

6:36

Have been in the game, who were all fucked up?

6:38

You know, how do you manage? How was that

6:40

managed?

6:42

Honestly, I don't know how I avoided so

6:44

much of it. I feel like I

6:46

was just I mean, I was in

6:49

that circle, you know, and

6:52

there was a lot of stuff going on. I don't

6:55

know how I escaped it, all of it, all of

6:57

the n City stuff that was happening on sets.

7:00

And I was really young and naive, and

7:03

I feel so fortunate that, you

7:05

know, I came out

7:07

unscathed, you know, but

7:10

it was a different time. It was fun,

7:13

and I wasn't a partier. I

7:15

was I've never been like that, so I don't

7:17

think they you know, I was welcomed into those

7:19

groups and that, yeah,

7:23

you know, so I

7:25

just stayed like, oh, I just was oblivious. I

7:27

had no idea, no clue.

7:29

None, you knew

7:31

what was going on around you, or I

7:33

did.

7:34

I did. I kind of did, yeah, you

7:36

know. And then and then I was really good friends with the

7:38

Cory's and that whole

7:40

group, so

7:43

yeah, I did know what was going on. It was

7:45

never really I was never a part of it.

7:47

So you just put your head, put

7:49

your head down and worked.

7:52

Yeah.

7:53

Yeah. And then doing that movie

7:55

Wildcats with your mom was such an

7:58

angel to me, Like she

8:00

just with everything that you would

8:03

imagine she would be, and then some she

8:05

was just gosh, she was so like

8:08

warm and maternal and she

8:11

was joy you know, she was. She made

8:13

that experience so fantastic,

8:17

so memorable. She was just the

8:19

best, she really was. And I wasn't

8:21

blonde, by the way. That was another nightmare, Like I had

8:23

to bleach my hair blonde so I could look like her

8:26

for a few scenes. And then they waked me for the rest

8:28

of the movie.

8:29

Yeah. Well, then then you dyed your hair

8:31

in the movie. You know it was a wig, right.

8:37

So like all of that for nothing. And

8:39

then I remember like the it

8:42

being a big thing about Brandy

8:44

having to say a swear word, and it was like this

8:47

commotion around Okay, you know,

8:49

yeah.

8:50

I mean, can you believe how times have changed?

8:52

I know, crazy?

8:56

How many kids do you have?

8:57

I have three kids?

8:59

How old?

9:01

My son is twenty one? My daughter's nineteen

9:03

today, oh and my

9:05

not it's her birthday. And then our son is

9:07

sixteen. He just turned sixteen. He's driving.

9:10

Went to the store for me. Oh

9:13

gosh, no, I I haven't, but I hate

9:15

it.

9:15

I know.

9:16

I have sixteen, fourteen,

9:18

and ten, two boys.

9:19

Little girl. Oh my gosh,

9:22

oldest is driving.

9:23

He's had a girlfriend for a year. So it's

9:25

like real, it's not that kind of yeah,

9:28

you know, hook up bee whatever

9:30

it is? Where where sort of buzzword is

9:32

these days?

9:33

Right?

9:34

You know? Apparently there's one called skibbitty? Now

9:36

all right?

9:37

Oh is that right? I haven't heard the son.

9:38

I thought it was a joke.

9:39

And now my kids like,

9:42

yo, dad, like that's skibbitty I'm like, just

9:45

please shut the fuck up, Like I cannot.

9:49

I can't don't.

9:50

I can't decipher what this is anymore.

9:53

You know, it's just so funny

9:55

to watch them grow up and

9:59

almost take on kind of the same stuff

10:01

that we did, you know, And.

10:03

A lot of a lot of the style.

10:05

These days is the same with the big

10:07

baggy jeans, you know, and

10:10

the oversized.

10:12

It's just come full circle.

10:14

It really has. It really has.

10:17

Is your kid in college?

10:19

So two of my kids are, so

10:23

my daughter is in New York, my son is home,

10:26

and you know, I'm not

10:28

looking forward to being an emptynster at

10:30

all. I just not. I

10:33

can't.

10:35

Isn't there a part of you though, that essentially

10:39

you're free, you know.

10:41

I mean, not that there is any burden on your

10:43

The children put any burden on you.

10:45

But you know there's.

10:46

This moment of like, Okay, it's horrifically

10:49

sad, but you know now

10:51

I can go do

10:54

anything that I want to do.

10:55

No, you don't have that, none

10:58

of it,

11:00

not like literally none of it. You

11:03

wait till your kid is out of the house and

11:05

you see what that's like. It is brutal,

11:08

But do you see her all the time, all

11:10

the time, but still oh yeah, oh

11:13

yeah.

11:14

So going back and growing up. You

11:16

said you grew up.

11:17

In Atlanta, I

11:19

mean grew up, yes,

11:21

and no, like I was so young when we moved

11:23

to LA But it

11:26

does feel like you know, it does

11:28

feel like home to me and you.

11:31

Okay, lots of sling You have lots of siblings. So

11:33

the blood what are you? Who are your bloods?

11:36

Who are my bloods?

11:37

Blood siblings? Not

11:39

the game, not the gag.

11:41

I know you're.

11:44

Lingos. Have two brothers

11:46

and two sisters, and I'm right in the middle.

11:49

Of of the of your that's full blood.

11:52

Oh wow, Oh.

11:53

You know that's weird. It's weird for me because

11:56

they're all they're my full siblings. You

11:58

know, there's not one of them that doesn't feel like a full

12:00

sibling. You

12:03

know, even though we have there are two that have

12:05

a different father, they're my siblings.

12:08

You know, there's nothing about it that's like people

12:10

like, oh, you're half. I'm like, no, for that,

12:12

there's nothing half about you know.

12:14

Yeah, no, I know, I know because we're similar.

12:16

I mean, Kate and I are are full and

12:18

then we have Wyatt who's half and

12:21

then Boston whose step but

12:23

we're.

12:23

All your own family,

12:26

yes, family.

12:27

Of course, and you guys

12:29

all were able to sort of interact

12:32

and be together as siblings

12:35

and as a family, because.

12:37

Yes, sometimes of course steps and halves.

12:39

It's you know, it's not as

12:41

tight necessarily as if

12:43

you're I guess that.

12:45

Could be for sure. I just that

12:47

that wasn't our experience. But

12:50

the age gap is significant, you

12:52

know, from the oldest to the youngest. But

12:55

then as you get older, you know, that gap

12:57

just closes. You start having families

13:00

and you're just there's no there's no age

13:02

difference at all. But like for a long time, my

13:04

youngest siblings they were like my babies, you

13:06

know, carry them on my hip, take

13:09

them everywhere with me, and

13:12

you know then that changed,

13:14

of course.

13:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I

13:18

worked with Eric.

13:20

Oh you did, yes, a

13:23

long ass time ago, on a movie

13:25

called The Breed, which

13:27

was some like horror

13:29

movie and South Asian.

13:33

Rabbit dogs.

13:34

Oh my, yeah, that sounds like

13:36

an amazing film.

13:39

You take out. We

13:41

had a good time. I will say that,

13:44

it was okay, good god, it was.

13:47

I mean we were in South Africa, we were in our

13:49

twenties, early twenties.

13:50

That's amazing.

13:51

It was me, it was him, it was Michelle

13:54

Rodriguez, Arren

13:56

Manning, Hill Harper, and

13:59

it was we would go

14:01

to the bars, the clubs or whatever and just

14:03

go right to work.

14:05

I mean, oh my god, we were just go

14:07

all night and go right to work.

14:09

Yeah.

14:09

And then but Eric and I

14:11

connected. He was my sort of

14:13

homie on the show, you.

14:15

Know what I mean.

14:15

I love that.

14:16

Yeah, but I haven't seen him since. What's

14:19

his deal? What's he doing?

14:20

Eric is doing amazing? Uh yeah,

14:23

he's in LA He's doing fantastic,

14:26

you know what. I completely forgot about

14:28

that. And now I never

14:30

saw the movie. I'm gonna have to check it out now.

14:33

I do remember him saying the best things

14:35

about you as well. Yeah yeah,

14:37

and are you still acting? Are you still? Are

14:39

you acting still?

14:41

Yeah? Yeah, it's uh

14:43

great, it's been it's been good, you

14:45

know.

14:45

I mean, it's

14:48

been a bit of a it's been a journey obviously.

14:50

You know.

14:51

I started kind of late in my twenties, just

14:54

because it's what my

14:56

family did, you know what I mean.

14:58

I wanted to make I wanted to make move growing

15:00

up.

15:00

I directed and wrote

15:03

and did all that as a child

15:05

while my sister was

15:07

acting and in plays. I

15:10

was with my best friend across the street who is now my producing

15:12

partners still, and we would make movies.

15:14

That's what we did.

15:15

I went to Boulder for a couple of years

15:18

and knew that I wanted to be in the movie

15:20

business, but.

15:24

Didn't really know where to start.

15:25

I was a PA for a while, and then I was

15:28

like, yeah, I can't go down this path.

15:30

Takes too long so for family

15:33

or actors, so let me give it a shot,

15:35

you know. And I did.

15:37

And I did not take it seriously in any

15:39

way whatsoever. And

15:41

I was still in college mode. I was still kind

15:44

of going out and partying, and you

15:46

know, I had this incredible opportunity,

15:48

you know, just because of you know,

15:51

just where I was born, how I was born.

15:53

So the foot was in the door, and I was just

15:55

blowing it.

15:56

I mean, I was hungover going to auditions

15:58

and not even looking at sides,

16:00

you know, I was like, And

16:03

so I decided to move out of my house.

16:05

I was still living at home, in the comforts

16:07

of the childhood

16:09

you know house mm hmm. And

16:13

I got an apartment with my one of my best

16:15

friends, and I could only afford like the first month

16:17

the last month in like three months,

16:19

and I said, fuck it, let's go. And that pressure

16:22

that I put on myself sort

16:24

of led to my first real gig where

16:27

I was the lead of a show on the WB

16:29

and really was.

16:31

It was

16:34

called My Guide to Becoming a Rock Star and.

16:38

It went one season.

16:39

But you know, then I did Dawson's

16:41

Creek and then I got a little deal there,

16:43

and then it's sort of you know, propelled,

16:46

yeah, my career, you know.

16:50

But yeah, I've been consistently and

16:52

steadily working. I just did a show called The Cleaning Lady

16:54

that's still on the air, but I got killed and

16:57

I I have a producing deal a Fox, so I'm

16:59

producing seeing stuff now.

17:00

That's so great. I mean, the industry

17:02

has changed so much,

17:05

it's insane.

17:06

Oh god, I mean, I'm it's honest, I'm

17:09

in. I wouldn't call them dire

17:12

straits, but you know, when you

17:14

know, as an actor, when you

17:16

have a steady job and

17:19

you're making a shit ton of money, you're

17:21

affording a lifestyle. But

17:24

that is so inconsistent and drops

17:26

off the base of the planet like this, right,

17:29

and so of course you have rainy day

17:32

stuff, but you can jam through that pretty

17:34

quickly. Yeah, and then

17:36

you are sort of saying, okay, three kids,

17:39

private school, How am I doing this?

17:41

What do I need to do?

17:43

Right?

17:44

It is it legal to sell my body? I

17:46

mean goes

17:48

through all of these, you know, the podcast,

17:51

Instagram, I do ads on Instagram,

17:53

you know, and right

17:56

now as an actor I've

17:59

probably never been in a better place as far as

18:01

my viability goes. But

18:04

because of the strikes, there's just not a lot

18:06

going on for me. But

18:08

apparently you have a million things you're

18:10

doing.

18:11

I don't understand what happened. It's

18:13

like it's been the best thing for me. Honestly,

18:16

I've not worked this much in years.

18:19

It's crazy. It's been been really

18:22

great. I would you know.

18:25

So I'm recurring on Taylor

18:28

Sheridan's new show land Man with Billy

18:30

Bob Thornton, Ali

18:35

Larder. She's amazing, She's

18:39

she's Jonham

18:42

just joined Inmi Demi Moore,

18:45

My husband is recurring as well

18:47

on it. Really yes,

18:51

wow, story, Okay, here's a fun story.

18:53

So years ago,

18:56

oh gosh, like maybe twenty

19:00

more more than that long time ago. Thirty

19:02

years ago, Taylor Sheridan was

19:04

a student in my dad's acting class,

19:07

and I think he was there for years and years.

19:09

I wasn't. I didn't go to my dad's acting class,

19:12

you know, I just would pop in here and there.

19:14

But yeah, so he was

19:17

my dad's acting class for a year or so. My husband

19:19

knows him. I don't really know him. But

19:22

anyway, this came around and the

19:25

rules were completely unrelated, like we're not

19:28

a couple or anything, and

19:30

we end up getting on the show together. And it's

19:33

so how fun? Is

19:35

that? So cool?

19:38

How's it been? It's so fun.

19:41

Oh, it's just been like

19:43

I'm like pinching myself. This is such

19:45

a cool set, and well,

19:47

this is cool.

19:48

I'm excited. I'm excited to talk to you about

19:50

this.

19:50

Just this is not inside baseball,

19:53

but just as an actor and you know, really

19:55

digging Taylor Sheridan and him as a writer

19:57

especially you know he writes.

20:00

He doesn't have a writing staff, do you know that?

20:02

Yeah, yeah, he just does it all.

20:05

It's crazy, this endless well of

20:08

what.

20:19

So what is the process like there?

20:21

I mean, you know, I've done a lot

20:23

of television sort of in the broadcast space,

20:25

but are.

20:27

You running and gunning? Are you trying to make days?

20:29

Or is it slow paced and sort of saying no, let's

20:31

get this ship right and and how

20:33

do how does how does that work compared to

20:35

sort of other experiences.

20:37

Well, okay, so I pop

20:40

in here and there, so I'm not there all

20:42

the time, but I am there for the entire

20:45

day, so I do see kind of what the pacing is like.

20:47

But I get I get

20:49

the information more from like makeup and hair. They're

20:52

crossboarding. They're shooting

20:55

always.

20:55

Makeup and hair have all the show always.

20:58

They know what, they know all of it. So

21:01

you know, they're doing multiple episodes

21:03

at once, so I'm like, well, what episode are we on now?

21:05

What's having? Like, I have no idea. We

21:07

haven't even completed. They're

21:09

not completing the episode. They're just shooting,

21:13

you know. So there's

21:15

that. It is so crazy to try to keep everything

21:17

together, especially for their department.

21:21

But it's you know, you've

21:23

got three cameras going all

21:25

the time. You do not rehearse,

21:28

you know, you

21:31

just get there. Here's where

21:33

you go, let's do it.

21:35

Wow.

21:36

Yeah, I guess we're gonna put it and here

21:38

we go. It's pretty cool.

21:40

I mean I was like, okay, great,

21:42

great, you know it

21:45

works, man, I mean, it is a well oiled

21:47

machine. And he's

21:49

got a lot of his crew from

21:52

Yellowstone, so they're all.

21:54

Work cohesively together. They all know,

21:56

you know, so it

21:58

just works. It's it's really really

22:01

cool.

22:02

Good for you. And then you have

22:04

others, you have other stuff too going on.

22:06

So then and then I am

22:09

recurring on a nine to one loan star,

22:12

so I'm doing three more episodes

22:14

of that good,

22:18

which is all. And then I got a movie and I ended

22:20

up turning it down. But I was like, this is crazy.

22:23

Yeah, was it not good?

22:25

It just wasn't good. To be honest, it wasn't

22:27

good. And they weren't paying well, and I was

22:30

like, well, no one's working, maybe

22:32

I should just do it. Yeah, And then I read

22:34

it and I was like no,

22:36

no, it's like no back end favored

22:39

nation. We're not paying you anything,

22:41

and it's a ridiculous amount

22:43

of work and dialogue and like, I just I

22:46

don't love it.

22:47

Yeah, So I

22:52

I wonder how we feel about this.

22:54

You with babies, obviously, as

22:57

you can tell, you know, wanting

23:00

to be an empty nester and having no

23:02

excitement for that freedom. So

23:05

it tells me that you are just you

23:07

know an obsessive mother, as I am an obsessive

23:09

father, right, I am, Okay, So I

23:12

have foregone plenty of

23:14

gigs in my career because of

23:16

where they were shooting, right,

23:20

I just did. I mean, they

23:23

want you to lead on a series in

23:25

Toronto. I'm like, well, potentially

23:27

six years. Like, I can't do that. I can't

23:30

be away from my children in

23:33

Toronto. You know, if it's an Albuquerque

23:35

or Nashville, which I've done, I can manage.

23:40

It's too far.

23:43

Almost the detriment of my career sometimes

23:45

where I'm just like you guys, like I have to I

23:48

have to just be in this place. I

23:50

mean, stemming a lot from you know,

23:53

whatever I went through as a child and

23:55

my dad kind of not being there. And

23:58

you know, I have this sort of hyper sensitivity

24:01

to being there for my kids,

24:04

yes, and making sure that they don't feel

24:06

in any way what I felt back in the

24:08

day.

24:08

You know.

24:09

Oh interesting, Yeah.

24:10

So you know I'm not

24:12

speaking to your childhood, but did you

24:15

ever have to do that in sacrifice?

24:18

Work for that?

24:21

My husband and we made a pact with each other in the

24:23

beginning because he's an actor as well, and we're

24:25

like we won't get

24:27

an andy. We're going to do this all ourselves,

24:31

and we're going to make it work. You know, whatever

24:33

happens, we're just going to do it. Fortunately

24:37

I never had to turn down that would have been

24:40

so hard because you know, this

24:42

industry is so like it's not based

24:44

on necessarily who's the best

24:46

for the role, especially now you

24:48

know there are so many you know, boxes

24:51

that have to be checked, so it's not about the best

24:53

ever, So when you do get those opportunities,

24:56

it's like, well, how do you turn it down? This

24:59

may not come around for you know, who

25:02

knows how long.

25:03

But I.

25:06

Never had to turn anything down like that,

25:08

Like I wish I could to say that I did, but

25:10

I never had. I never got like an

25:12

offer for a show that was was shooting,

25:15

and thankfully I didn't because that

25:17

would have been really hard. But I would

25:19

have always have chosen my kids over

25:21

it. Always I would have taken

25:23

them with me, or we were like, what are

25:26

we going to do if we now the kids are in school.

25:28

This was when they were in like elementary school, like

25:30

this would be easier, But it just worked

25:32

out. I didn't never

25:35

got anything that and I had to

25:37

make that decision. To like turn down a

25:39

big role. But if

25:41

I'm working, rarely

25:44

are we working at the same time. It just doesn't

25:46

ever work out that way. So when

25:48

I'm working, he holds down the fort

25:51

and vice versa. So it's

25:53

been great.

25:54

Yeah, and now they're a lot older,

25:56

so you don't have to worry about it, that's

25:58

right.

25:59

Now, I don't have to worry about it. So I'll think it was

26:01

But that do you ever do you regret any of those

26:03

jobs that you are like, you know, I.

26:05

Know, I mean, regret

26:08

is an interesting word, right, I'm

26:12

not sure I have many regrets

26:15

because if I

26:18

didn't, you know, it was a choice

26:20

that I made, whether it be a positive

26:22

one or a negative one, which I've made.

26:23

Some horrible, horrible choices in

26:26

my life just generally.

26:29

Now you would think that you would say, oh, I regret

26:31

doing that, but I don't know where

26:33

who I would be if.

26:34

I didn't, right, right, exactly?

26:36

Yeah, you know, so.

26:40

Of course, I mean you look back and you

26:42

know we've I've talked about it, you know before.

26:45

But you know, when I got engaged, I

26:48

something happened psychologically and I

26:51

spiraled, you know what I mean, And

26:53

I was unfaithful and I was

26:55

cheating and I was crazy and.

26:59

Yeah, and she stuck with you. Well,

27:01

I told she I never got caught.

27:03

I told her everything because I couldn't live

27:06

with myself and you

27:08

know, get married and be married and have

27:10

children with this sort of weight. I

27:14

was taking silkwood showers. You know, I

27:16

was crying and be like, oh

27:18

my God, like who am I? But then going

27:20

off and having a drink or whatever.

27:23

So there was something happening to me psychologically

27:27

that I had to sort of get through. I told

27:29

her everything, and

27:32

she's an amazing woman, you know, and my mother

27:34

played a big part in it as well. Where

27:38

you know, it's about looking at the entirety

27:40

and the totality of the relationship, not

27:42

just the action, even though it might seem extreme.

27:45

Let's dig in a little bit into

27:48

why and looking at the

27:50

whole person rather than this one affliction.

27:54

And because I'm a good man,

27:56

there's no doubt malicious

27:58

and all that I was going through. Whatever I was going

28:00

through. Yeah, and

28:03

we were able to sort of therapy

28:06

and you know, do all of it and get through

28:08

it. And honestly, if

28:10

that didn't happen, I

28:13

don't know what kind of a person I would be. You

28:15

know, So do I regret

28:18

it? I mean no,

28:20

I guess not.

28:22

Of course, Yeah, no I regret because where

28:24

would you pain? Yeah?

28:26

I don't want to cause anyone any pain.

28:28

But but you grew.

28:30

Oh yeah, oh gosh, I mean.

28:32

You became a different person because of that experience.

28:35

Yeah, exactly.

28:36

I think some of our you know, although some

28:38

choices might be bad, if you can sort of

28:40

come out the other end of them and learn from

28:42

why they were bad and how that affected you

28:44

and anyone else around you, then you're only

28:47

growing and you're building your toolbox, you know what

28:49

I mean.

28:49

That's true.

28:50

If everything was fucking rainbows and roses,

28:53

then well, who are you?

28:55

Right? Not very interesting for her?

28:58

Yeah, So you know, regret

29:00

is an interesting word.

29:04

But I mean, honestly, like you know, I.

29:07

I have, there's

29:09

parts of me that wish I

29:11

was further along, that wish that I chose

29:13

career.

29:13

A little bit more over fun.

29:16

You know, you

29:19

know, I look at my sister, my brother, you

29:22

know, you you have Blake, But you guys

29:24

are so far apart, and

29:26

of course you're very six,

29:29

you know, Happer for her career.

29:30

As I am with my siblings.

29:32

But there's always a part of me that's

29:34

just like, fuck, man, why

29:37

can't I do that?

29:39

Why can't I?

29:39

I want to do a role like that. I want

29:41

to work with people like that. I I want

29:43

to I want to make that kind of money. I don't

29:45

want to be hustling for everything,

29:48

you know, right, Not not that it

29:50

takes away from how I feel about

29:52

them and my love for them and.

29:54

My gratitude and and how

29:56

happy I'm.

29:57

For the success, but I I

29:59

fuck, I'm I'm not afraid to admit

30:01

that I have envy.

30:02

It's just damn yeah, oh you

30:04

know, yeah it's there.

30:08

Yeah, I totally understand

30:10

that for sure. But that hustle

30:12

is real, Like my sister's

30:15

life is. It's

30:17

a lot, you know, it's a lot

30:19

of work to maintain that, you

30:21

know, it really is. And she really

30:23

was, like of all of us,

30:27

she was the most unexpected

30:29

one to hit that kind of fame because

30:31

she's so shy. She was

30:34

very shy, and

30:36

so it just happened, like it

30:40

just happened, and not believe

30:42

it, no, no, but she and I

30:44

are like, she's my best friend, you know,

30:46

we are so close.

30:48

Yeah, you know, I look at my sister

30:50

too, and I'm like, well, I

30:52

don't want to have give

30:55

me. I'll take your money, Kate, but I don't

30:57

want to have that kind of fame

30:59

necessary that is.

31:03

It is. And I don't

31:05

know what your sisters, your sister's lighted like, but

31:07

like I look at my sister

31:09

and she's a mama bear, you

31:11

know, like that is. There is

31:13

nothing more important to both of them

31:16

than their family. Their family comes first,

31:18

and they managed to really like balance it.

31:20

Well, It's just it's a totally

31:23

different life. It's a totally different world,

31:26

you know. Yeah, And I do think like I don't know if I can

31:28

handle it. I really don't. But do I have those

31:30

same feelings like oh, oh

31:32

she's getting to work with SO and so. Oh

31:34

that's so amazing. But honestly, I

31:37

am so proud of

31:39

her. You know, everything that she's

31:41

gotten and that she has she's earned.

31:45

So there's not that I don't have that piece where

31:47

I'm envious

31:49

and wishing it were me in

31:52

a sense that in a healthy

31:55

way, you know, like I do like, oh I

31:57

would die to work with

32:00

so and so. You know that I

32:02

do because you know, I've been in this industry

32:04

for so long and I've worked with some people that

32:07

have been amazing, and I'm like, oh gosh,

32:09

what would it be like to work with someone

32:11

like that, you know, like really work with something

32:14

like that, because you know, I mean I do

32:16

independence too, And sometimes I go

32:18

back to my trailer and I'm like, oh,

32:20

this is horrible when you do those

32:23

low budget indies where

32:25

people just are clueless. Yeah,

32:27

I just want to kill yourself. You're

32:29

like, what am I doing? I've

32:31

been in this industry for how long? Why am I

32:33

doing this?

32:34

Oh my god? I did this independent movie.

32:36

It was a long time ago, but like it

32:39

was called The Smokers, And we

32:41

were in Kenosha, Wisconsin. And

32:43

I get to set and the makeup

32:46

person is there and she is

32:50

not trained in standard

32:52

makeups. She's an effects

32:55

makeup person, right, And

32:57

I'm sure the budget on this movie is like three and a half

33:00

dollars And I'm like, okay,

33:02

So we have no trailers. So

33:04

they're doing the makeup outside

33:07

and you know, I'm talking with my friends and doing doing

33:10

the makeup. She's like, all right,

33:12

all done. I'm like, okay, cool. I'm cruising around.

33:15

No I haven't I haven't shot yet.

33:16

But I'm like, I go pee and I go

33:19

pee and I look in the mirror to wash my hands,

33:21

and it's I have like I look like a mime.

33:24

It's white.

33:26

It's like, oh, it's white, white,

33:28

white, like clown white.

33:30

I'm like, what the fuck

33:33

is no? I

33:35

mean it was.

33:36

I started laughing in the mirror because it was

33:39

so insane that I was like hysterically

33:41

laughing. So I just washed my face

33:43

off and then I said, you know what, I'm good. I

33:45

don't need makeup anymore on the

33:47

show.

33:48

We're fine. I'm twenty two years

33:50

old or twenty three, Like, my skin is.

33:52

Fine, Like, let's just

33:54

skip this process.

33:56

Oh no, that

33:59

is the worst thing I've ever

34:01

heard. But I can totally relate.

34:04

My husband. We did another movie. We did a movie together

34:07

at one point. Again it was like this one was didn't

34:09

have a great budget, and the same thing. He

34:11

came out and I said, what is happening.

34:14

Don't let them do that to your face?

34:17

Right, Like what the heuse it? No, I'm

34:19

like, wipe it off. You don't

34:21

need your face is like white. Yeah,

34:24

it's horrible. It's horrible.

34:28

But he wouldn't have known, you know, you

34:31

know, he's just like, okay, cool.

34:35

A by

34:42

the way, how awesome are those experiences

34:45

as well?

34:46

So they're amazing.

34:47

Ye.

34:47

I look at Kate and I look at Wyatt and

34:49

you know, and again all this

34:52

to say that I I am

34:54

so grateful for my career.

34:55

I've had an awesome career. You know, there's

34:57

no time about it. But you

34:59

know, you look at them and they work with us like cool

35:02

creative people where you can dig

35:04

into shit.

35:05

I looked pretty much broadcast TV,

35:08

where it's like bang, bang bang. You get

35:10

two takes and if you ask for a third,

35:12

like you know, it's just like, oh shit,

35:14

okay, changed the die, Like it's just bang.

35:18

And then I talked to Kate and why

35:21

were they almost famous as band practice?

35:24

And then why it is rehearsing for

35:26

three weeks for this movie?

35:28

Can you imagine rehearsing for three weeks?

35:30

No, oh my god, I'd probably

35:32

win Emmys and Academy Awards.

35:37

Totally. I'm like, I'm just

35:39

like showing up on set with a script

35:41

that had just changed three hours ago. I'm like,

35:43

Okay, here we go.

35:45

Ye.

35:46

But looking back at all those independent movies too,

35:49

I had so much fun.

35:51

I mean as a young kid.

35:54

Yeah, strange movies and Kenosha,

35:56

Wisconsin and all over

35:58

the country and these weird ass places.

36:01

I mean, I had such a blast every.

36:04

Every they are, even the bad ones,

36:06

like you're saying, even the bad ones. I'm

36:09

going to tell you this one other one,

36:11

another independent I did where I'm not

36:13

kidding the first a D. It was when we

36:16

had women were it was just primarily

36:18

the whole crew. It was just a crew full of women, and

36:21

she was our first a D. Didn't have

36:23

a clue what she was doing. And

36:26

my girl literally sat herself basically

36:29

in the scene with us, sat down

36:31

on an apple box so she could watch the show

36:34

her snacks. And I

36:36

was like, you know, you

36:38

guys, do we not know

36:42

just not you know, literally sat

36:45

on an apple box and just eating her snacks, watch

36:47

just watching the show.

36:48

She's enjoying it.

36:51

But those you just gotta laugh.

36:53

Yeah, yes, yes, oh

36:56

for sure, for sure.

36:57

But and so

37:00

so you know that, uh

37:03

so Ryan. I met Ryan a

37:05

long long time ago. I wrote a script called Stardom

37:08

Dumb and this is before

37:10

he was anything.

37:11

And then he, you know,

37:13

was going to do it, and we didn't.

37:14

We didn't end up even making

37:16

the movie. And then my wife actually

37:19

dated him for like six months.

37:21

She did.

37:22

Yeah, her name at the

37:24

time, HER's Aaron, husband was Aaron Bartlett

37:27

Bartlett and uh yes,

37:29

said he's the greatest person in the world.

37:32

I fucking loved him.

37:33

I just saw him actually speaking engagement

37:36

and but he is

37:39

someone who

37:41

I would try to emulate, honestly.

37:44

Yes, I just love

37:47

his soul and his heart

37:50

and his humor and

37:53

his intellect of

37:55

this business.

37:57

And he's got such a unique tone. You

38:00

know. Ryan is definitely someone to sort of

38:02

like look up to.

38:04

And he seems like an amazing father, you

38:06

know, amazing Yeah, and husband,

38:09

husband, and their relationship

38:11

is amazing, so cute, you know

38:14

what I mean.

38:15

They're good to each other.

38:16

They yeah, they're real

38:19

like example, yeah

38:21

for sure, yep, ye for

38:23

sure.

38:24

Yeah he is. He is all of those

38:26

things and then some for sure. And

38:28

that dude works hard,

38:31

oh my, and and prioritizes

38:34

his family. You love everything, you

38:36

know.

38:36

Else, which I think you have to do.

38:38

You know, it's easy to screw up your children

38:40

in this kind of a business.

38:41

There's no doubt about it, you.

38:43

Know, right. Yeah, that's

38:45

what he's been really smart.

38:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

38:49

for sure, for sure.

38:52

Yeah, He's a good dude, a good dude. It's

38:54

been really cool to see going

38:56

from like Green Lantern to now

39:00

has been unbelievable

39:03

to see, like how his career and

39:05

all of it. He's just so smart.

39:08

Yeah, he has.

39:09

Everything that he's doing so smart.

39:12

He's a branding genius too, Yeah

39:14

he is. Yeah.

39:17

Did you ever do

39:19

you and your husband ever get jealous that

39:21

you're both you're both actors and

39:24

whether you have scenes and you know, is there any

39:26

sort of hesitancere

39:28

or jealousy when it comes to all that.

39:31

Like with the two of us.

39:32

Yeah, yeah, meaning like you have a love interest on

39:34

a show, or he's got to do this,

39:37

or is it you know, Oh.

39:39

You know you're going to think I'm just making all

39:41

this up, like it

39:44

hasn't really been a

39:46

thing. Like we haven't had which is so bizarre,

39:48

Like you would think that we would be

39:50

faced with that kind of stuff. That all of those

39:53

kinds of things happened in my twenties,

39:55

so I mean it could still happen, but

39:57

we haven't really been faced with anything

39:59

like that yet. But

40:02

you know, we've got twenty five years under

40:04

our belt now.

40:05

Though of marriage.

40:07

Yes, Wow, but

40:09

I can't imagine twenty five in September.

40:12

But I can't. I wouldn't. I don't

40:14

think I would love it, you

40:17

know, right,

40:21

I love it?

40:22

Right?

40:23

Are you in La now?

40:25

Yeah? In La?

40:26

I want to get out of here. I mean I'm in

40:28

the desert right now, but kind

40:31

of over La.

40:32

Everybody is. I think we're going to We're

40:34

going to peace out too, are you really well?

40:37

I mean there's no point like there's there

40:39

are no in person auditions anymore, so.

40:42

Exactly, and the babies

40:44

are gone, so this is what's allowing

40:46

you the opportunity to leave.

40:47

So yeah, my kids are so ingrained.

40:50

They have their friends and.

40:52

I could never do that now, not yet,

40:54

you can't.

40:56

I know. Do you still keep

40:58

in touch with Woody at all?

40:59

Or no? I wish

41:02

he Woody was When

41:04

I think back on that film, the people that I

41:06

was the closest to it was Woody. He's

41:09

friends with Nick. Oh my

41:11

god, but really it was Woody.

41:13

It was awesome.

41:14

Nick was great, but it was really Wooty

41:17

was my buddy. Yeah, he was my bud.

41:19

And then no, I don't. I haven't

41:21

seen him. I could. I don't even remember.

41:24

Last for my Tom how old?

41:25

How old? Were you in that movie

41:27

thirteen thirteen? His

41:30

brother?

41:30

Do you remember his brother? He would always

41:32

bring his brother on set.

41:33

No, oh really, yeah.

41:37

Yeah, he was really close with his brother. His

41:40

name was like Bret or Brent or

41:43

something like that.

41:44

Thirty So I

41:46

was seven eight.

41:52

Wow, crazy, And this is the first time

41:54

that we've seen him talk to each other literally since

41:56

then.

41:57

I can't believe it. I

41:59

really can't believe it. That movie

42:01

was so so much fun, that

42:03

was such a I took it for granted. I didn't

42:06

know, you know, I was young, and just like, oh

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god, I got a movie, and yeah, you

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know, I have no idea. Just

42:13

used to working, and I mean to

42:15

this day, I there's

42:17

not even the bad ones. I'm

42:20

like, it's such a gift to

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still do what I love, to be able to still

42:24

do what I love and like never had a regular

42:28

job, Like that's unbelievable.

42:30

Yeah lucky.

42:31

I love what I do, like I

42:34

love every every

42:36

bit of it. I just love it.

42:38

I can't imagine ever doing something.

42:41

Well, you won't. You've got you have like eighty jobs

42:44

right now. Okay, so not only

42:46

now, not only am I envious with my sister

42:48

and my brother, but now you. I

42:51

need a goddamn job. So you

42:54

know, yeah, Robin talked to some

42:56

people. I will

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talk to some people.

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Me up, I'm going to.

43:02

All right, Well, it was

43:04

good talking to you. It's

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really fun. I appreciate you fun.

43:08

Oh my gosh, I'm so happy

43:11

when I got the calls.

43:11

Like, yeah, I know, I

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know.

43:14

I talked to Mom too. She's here in the desert

43:16

with me.

43:16

I'm like, oh my god, I'm talking to Rob and she's like, holy

43:19

sh you

43:21

to.

43:21

Tell her I still

43:24

have let her know. She gave me a little

43:26

gold whistle, a little and

43:29

I still have it. But she was just

43:32

the youngiest.

43:33

Yeah, she's the

43:35

best, you know, the best. Well,

43:39

good luck with everything, you know what, Maybe

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now one day we'll work together.

43:43

I have a weird feeling.

43:44

Let's do it.

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Feeling. Yeah, and then you'll get.

43:49

To see what an incredible

43:51

actor I actually am.

43:52

And then I'm going to go away. Way

43:54

more talented than them. They just got lucky.

43:57

Okay, they just got lucky.

44:00

I've got way more talent than Kate, Mom,

44:02

Kurt, everyone combined.

44:04

They're just luckier. That's the way

44:06

I deal with my pain.

44:10

I really hope that we do wouldn't that becoming

44:12

fun. Let's make it happen.

44:14

We will to do it, will manifest it,

44:16

as they say these days, let's.

44:18

Do it all over. Well, you have grown up.

44:20

You were so cute, you were dull then I didn't

44:22

have a crush on you then just

44:25

because you're way too young.

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But that's okay. There's still time. There's

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still time.

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I was so gad to talk to you.