0:05

Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is

0:07

Oliver Hudson. We wanted to

0:09

do something that highlighted our relationship and

0:11

what it's like to be siblings. We

0:19

are a sibling. Railvalry. No,

0:22

no, sibling, don't

0:25

do that with your mouth revelry.

0:33

That's good. We

0:39

had two of the four

0:41

Gloomackay sisters w

0:44

n B A Sissy's Sane

0:47

and Erica. Sane is a two

0:49

time w NBA All Star of

0:52

the La Sparks, our home team,

0:55

and as an NBA analyst for ESPN.

0:57

Erica also was recently drafted

0:59

to the w NBA and was accepted

1:02

to medical school, so she has a

1:04

decision to make. One of the

1:06

things that we talked about was women

1:09

in sports, the importance

1:11

of really

1:14

highlighting and recognizing

1:18

like how incredible these female athletes

1:20

are. They don't really get their

1:23

do and it's and it's time

1:25

that they do it really is. We talked about

1:27

that stuff with the girls, you know what I mean,

1:29

how to promote the game, what needs to get done.

1:33

Kobe was a big part of that,

1:35

and you know, for the there's many reasons

1:37

why it's devastating that he's gone

1:40

and this is definitely one of them. You know, I

1:42

mean he had his he had he

1:44

had a he had his hooks into the w NBA

1:47

and into women's ball and was

1:49

going to make it big. You know, you just sort of felt

1:51

that she had such a great

1:53

story about and I won't

1:55

ruin it. That's great and

1:57

it does show how sportive

2:00

Kobe was for the w

2:02

NBA and basketball and anybody really,

2:05

but I loved hearing about how they got into

2:07

basketball. And they

2:09

are Nigerian. We talked

2:11

a lot about that, very traditional you

2:14

know, parents for generation. Actually

2:16

we well that's a perfect segue because

2:19

we jumped right into

2:22

talking about their parents. So yeah,

2:24

you hear it when you when you finish hearing us talking,

2:26

it's going to be literally boom about

2:28

their parents, boom about their

2:31

parents. Here we go. You ready, three

2:33

two one?

2:37

Now did you? But your parents were together

2:39

in Nigeria and both came to the United

2:41

States, so

2:44

it's funny they met in the US.

2:47

So basically, yeah, Nigerians tend to send

2:49

their kids to school in places where they

2:51

know other Nigerians. And ironically, my dad's

2:54

family, my mom's family both sent

2:56

themselves and their family like

2:58

their siblings to Colorado

3:00

and Utah like, so they knew people

3:03

there and then they linked up there because Nigerian's

3:06

like, they're not many out there, so rageous. So

3:08

they met each other there and then they both went to Weber

3:10

State and then got married. Wow,

3:14

we're in Colorado, Greeley, Greeley.

3:17

I know Greeley. I have no idea where

3:19

Greeley.

3:22

And then so where were you guys? Born?

3:25

Hous Houston, Houston. Yeah,

3:28

then they moved to Houston. Yeah. He got a job

3:30

after Weaver State for Comepack,

3:32

which is like technically worked at Iomega

3:34

first. I just learned this yesterday and I had to do something

3:36

for it. Worked at Iomega, then got a

3:38

job at Compact that was in Houston, and then

3:40

they all decided they were supposed to go back and

3:42

like run their respective family businesses

3:45

back home in Nigeria. But my dad got a job.

3:47

Next thing, you know, they you know, moved to Houston,

3:50

have pop out four girls and here

3:52

we are four girls

3:54

girl dad, So who's

3:57

the first? Ask that? So

3:59

i'mumber two and she's number four. Yeah,

4:01

so there's in between there's one above us,

4:03

Neka who's her teammate. Yes, and

4:06

then there's one between us. Olivia, who

4:08

was my teammate in high school's right now. She's

4:10

actually upstairs. She's getting her MBA from

4:12

Rice University, so she's like doing a class right

4:14

now. So yeah, so that was that's

4:17

the order. Wait, you guys were teammates

4:19

in high school and teammates in

4:22

college. Yeah, she went to the last

4:24

two were teammates in college, and Neca and I were

4:26

teammates in college. In school, we've

4:29

all gone to like, yeah, the twos all went

4:31

to school together. So like they went to a high school

4:33

called Siphair and we went to a high school

4:36

called Sywoods, which was like across the street. And

4:38

then they went to Stanford and Olivia and I went

4:40

to Pepperdine and then both transferred and went to

4:42

Rice. So yeah, oh my godde

4:45

Yeah, we went there for one year. We were mal girls

4:48

for one year. That's right at

4:51

Cross Creek. Yeah. I had

4:53

my good time. I didn't get to leave much because everything

4:56

was too expensive around me, so

4:58

I stayed on campus. Did

5:01

you like Pepperdine, Yeah,

5:04

it was. It's a really good school and of course it's like probably

5:06

the prettiest school I've ever seen. Oh my gosh,

5:09

it's ridiculou. Yeah it was. It's so great. Yeah,

5:11

I know. That's the first place

5:13

I experienced where like kids were skipping class to

5:15

go to the beach. I was like, this actually happens.

5:18

I thought it was just in the movies, but they actually

5:20

did it. But it was good. I think it

5:22

was just like a shock because I was coming from Texas.

5:25

Yeah it was. It was a really cool experience,

5:27

and I mean I loved it. I just we transferred

5:30

back, like for one, because I became pre

5:32

med and it was like it took me forty

5:34

five minutes to shadow a doctor at UCLA.

5:36

Like they didn't really have as much pre med stuff in Malibu

5:39

compared to like in Texas. I have the whole

5:42

what's it called tech Medical Texas Medical Center.

5:44

It's like right there. So were you playing ball

5:46

at Pepperdine? Yeah? I played basketball there and I

5:48

played at Rice. Yeah. Okay, So you did

5:50

you get a scholarship to Pepperdine? All four

5:52

of us? Yeah, we all been of us? Yeah right,

5:54

and then you got a scholarship to go to Stanford.

5:57

Correct. I mean, your guys's family.

5:59

I want to I want to talk

6:01

to all of you because it's like

6:04

to be like, for all four

6:07

girls to be exceptional at the same sport

6:09

is pretty incredible. I mean, we

6:13

definitely don't have that in our family.

6:18

It's interesting because we're we're all athletic,

6:20

right, but we're but but you

6:23

know, to be exceptional, well,

6:25

we're exceptional in the entertainment

6:28

industry, exactly, exactly, Okay,

6:31

do we try to I took intro to acting at

6:33

Pepine and that was like the hardest thing I ever did.

6:36

I'm in a music video when I was in college and

6:38

now I highly regret it, Like I'm so embarrassed.

6:42

Do you still have that music video?

6:45

I can show you all if you want. I'm

6:51

definitely going to look that up. How

6:54

did basketball come into the equation

6:56

for your family? So for us,

6:59

obviously were Nigerian American born and raised

7:01

in Houston, Texas. But you know, our blood is

7:03

one hundred percent Nigerian. So even though we're

7:05

you know, going to school and living life as

7:08

Americans at home, were like under

7:10

the Nigerian fabric, as you know, and you've

7:13

come to understand. So basketball

7:15

like has never been a thing that I guess you

7:17

know, a couple of years ago, you can say a couple decades

7:19

ago, Nigerian parents said, oh, you should

7:21

put your girls into basketball. So

7:23

growing up academics is one hundred

7:25

percent stressed. So we were

7:27

four girls and like, no, we're growing

7:30

up. We were, we were, we were good at

7:32

school, but like I think my parents realize

7:34

we're crazy in the house. I will never forget.

7:36

Like we had a staircase and

7:39

Nekka our oldest, our fearless one,

7:41

like got those big map books and were like

7:43

sliding down the staircase. And I remember we

7:45

we busted a hole in the wall. We used

7:48

to play kickball and like busted

7:50

one of our you know windows. I think our parents were like, okay,

7:52

these are great girls. They do well in school, but

7:54

we need to put them into some kind of like constructive

7:57

activity. So them

7:59

not knowing much about sports. Right

8:01

outside our neighborhood was a gymnastics like gym,

8:04

so they put us into gymnastics. That

8:06

was quickly like a because

8:10

last year I always tell people

8:12

like I knew I was in destined for gymnastics. She

8:14

probably is because she the shortest out of all of us and he

8:16

kind of mild like a gymnast. Key, I'm

8:19

not that short. Though, but I'm sure compared to them,

8:22

you're five nine. That is not short.

8:25

I know that is true. Before a house, it's

8:27

a little like we're quarantined.

8:30

And she's like, I'm getting mad at her for not putting the dishes

8:32

up, and she's like, I can't read, I can't reach

8:35

them. But

8:38

the long story short, we were in gymnastics.

8:40

I always tell people I knew I was in destined for gymnastics

8:43

because like on the uneven bars, I would

8:45

never make it over because my butt would

8:47

hit the ground because my legs were so strong and I never

8:49

had like the traction. So my mom's

8:51

coworker came and saw that we were in gymnastics.

8:53

She was like, why are you Why

8:56

do you put your girls in gymnastics? You should put them into basketball.

8:59

So we started off like I was nine,

9:01

Nekka was ten doing

9:03

basketball. I was like, that first practice

9:06

was tragic. I think you guys were playing there. We

9:08

didn't we didn't go, we didn't do We just kind of went

9:10

to their practices. But they were Jeene Shorts to

9:12

their practice. See that's where we were like so out

9:15

of touch. Our parents were right like

9:17

Jean Shorts halter top like

9:19

we had glasses, glasses holder like

9:22

all those It was horrible. All those girls were

9:24

wearing like the cool Adidas and Nikes.

9:26

We came in like keds, and you know back

9:29

then ked's like that was like you're

9:31

just hindergar kindergarten shoes

9:33

or like nurses were wearing them like that was

9:35

like the vibe. So we went in

9:37

there and we embarrassed ourselves. I

9:40

was so embarrassed that I went to the bathroom and stayed

9:42

there the whole time until practice is overco

9:45

really just because of the way, just because of the way

9:47

we were dressed, pretty much all

9:49

of the above, all of the above, like necks.

9:52

First shot didn't just go over the backboard,

9:54

it went over like the scoreboard, but every

9:56

singing on the backboard, that was how

9:58

tragic it was. So I'm the type

10:00

of person like I only do things I know I can

10:03

be good at, Like that's why I don't bowl, That's

10:05

why I don't pool. All that time, I

10:07

got a terrible bowling and it makes me so

10:09

mad, it makes me it's

10:11

so horrible too, both like it

10:14

is, but so basically I went and

10:16

hit in the bathroom, and that first year I didn't

10:18

play Neka played by herself, and

10:20

so she went through it like she was

10:22

the worst. She was the one they're like catch the ball.

10:26

But slowly and surely she got better and

10:28

better. I don't even know if she remembers this, but

10:30

like the way we motivated Neka to be good at basketball.

10:33

My dad would say, Okay, for every rebound,

10:35

we're gonna give you a dollar, and so

10:38

we'd be like, yeah, Meka, go get like ten dollars. We

10:40

can go to the venting machine get candy. And

10:42

so she started doing that. But we never really cared

10:44

about the money. It just became like a motivation type

10:46

of thing. Ye. And then at

10:49

home, she like would come and show

10:51

us on the driveway, like this is how you do

10:53

a crossover, this is how you do a layup. So we

10:55

all started learning the game watching Mekka

10:58

Necka was a guinea pig, and then we all

11:00

started joining and then we grew and then the

11:02

rest was you start. So what year was

11:04

this? Oh? Ten? So I was ten?

11:06

This was nineteen two thousand and two. Were

11:08

you into basketball at the time, like

11:11

watching the sport? No, I

11:15

didn't even know if any We didn't. That was we

11:17

didn't watch sports no, we watched,

11:20

Yeah, we're watching the we

11:23

didn't care to watch sports. So

11:25

but you guys obviously had some sort

11:27

of a natural ability for it

11:30

and it just had to be brought out. I guess,

11:32

right, I think honestly,

11:35

I mean being straight up about it, like, yeah,

11:37

I guess our African nature sort of helps,

11:39

like athleticism, but then also

11:42

like the mindset of determination, so

11:44

like our pants are like you're gonna go in there and you're not gonna

11:46

fail. You're gonna play this game the right way. And

11:48

then obviously like we're tall and

11:51

oh, I say we but you know, you see this

11:53

is gonna happen like at least five

11:56

to ten times, but I would I would say

11:58

this, but like she maybe the one of the bunch,

12:00

but she's the most skilled out of all of us. Like we

12:03

never thought she would well really make it to

12:05

the WNBA. And then they didn't know I was gonna

12:07

get drafted until I literally got drafted,

12:09

like they have. Their expectations

12:11

were high, but it's extremely low at the same

12:13

time. Amazing,

12:15

right, was there a moment though

12:18

when you fell in love with the game, you

12:20

know what I mean? Because it seemed to be forced

12:22

upon you or at least this is what you need to do for an outlet.

12:25

Was there the moment we were like, oh, this is

12:27

it. I love this game. You can answer. It's

12:30

actually never knew this answer for you

12:33

soon. I mean for me, I just

12:35

watched them play like we my sister Oliviy

12:37

and I were cheerleaders, like for the most of the time watching

12:39

them, like you know those kids that would literally go and

12:41

find the other kids in the gym and pretend to

12:43

be cheerleaders. That's what we did for the main

12:46

part of when they played. But then we started

12:48

playing and I think we just really liked like the

12:50

teamwork aspect of it, probably going

12:52

into high school and then when they were already in college,

12:55

I just learned how much you can use sports

12:57

as your platform for other things. I was like, whoa,

12:59

so they played this sport and got to Stanford

13:02

what Like, I was like, this is crazy.

13:04

So I think I learned to love the

13:06

not just the benefits of it, but also like everything

13:09

that went into the process of it, which was like working

13:11

on a team, communicating with other people. So it was

13:13

probably high school when I really like tried

13:16

to really get into basket and it was probably high school

13:18

for me as well, because high schools went neck

13:20

and I won our first state championship, and

13:22

I think like so much went into winning it,

13:24

like we were like, this is it? Like that was

13:26

the end, you know in high school, like everything to the

13:28

end of the world. Yeah, So

13:30

like we went my freshman

13:32

year, we went and we lost, and it was

13:35

like heartbreaking, as every heartbreak

13:37

in high school is. Yeah, they were hurt and we were

13:39

hurt. We didn't get it. Liviya and I were just like can we go to McDonald's

13:42

and they're like hi, We're like

13:45

yeah, But then the next year we want it, and

13:47

so I think from then we were like whoa,

13:50

Like this whole highest level

13:52

of playing was really cool. And

13:54

then also like you know, as she mentioned,

13:56

our parents didn't really know. We didn't really know that

13:58

like basketball could at us, you know, these

14:01

top schools. Like it was

14:03

just funny because my parents would sit there like what,

14:05

like you want to offer my daughter a scholarship

14:07

to Baylor, Like, oh, this is great. They didn't believe

14:10

it. They didn't believe it until literally the coach knocked on

14:12

the door and like presented in They're like, whoa,

14:14

this is different. So that's when I think our mindset

14:16

changed. Wow, what did you win

14:18

in high school? How far did you guys go? Did

14:21

you when? Yeah?

14:26

One one? That's the most you can do in Texas,

14:29

like in public schools, we don't play like nationally

14:31

and stuff. So you pretty much just were the best team in the

14:33

state. And what

14:35

about when you started to sort of find

14:38

your groove and start to love the game. Did

14:40

you start watching basketball? Were you a Rockets

14:42

fan? You know what's funny, I

14:44

don't think she remembers it. She may not even be alive.

14:47

But our first sporting event, yeah,

14:49

you probably weren't. Our first sporting event was ironically

14:52

the Houston Comments, the WNBA

14:54

team, the Dynasty. And

14:56

so I was cleaning out my room before we moved to our

14:58

current family home, and I

15:00

like opened one of those like random things, like I

15:03

had like a rock there from the beach and like some other

15:05

random stuff and random. It's super random, and

15:07

I'm sure she still remembers in her head what that rock looks

15:09

like. Yeah, And then there was a ticket

15:11

and I looked at the ticket and I asked my parents.

15:13

I was like, this is a Comments ticket, and

15:15

they're like, yeah, we used to like my company come

15:18

Back used to give us tickets to the games, and

15:20

then I remember being in the arena and I was like, oh,

15:22

I think it's kind of crazy cool how my

15:24

first sports memory was a Comets

15:26

game growing up in Houston,

15:29

Texas, not knowing that basketball would like take

15:31

over our lives as girls

15:33

growing up you know, in the South as well. So I guess that's

15:35

the first time I sort of was like, we

15:37

don't really want We didn't really watch sports

15:40

that much growing up. Our dad really

15:42

is into soccer, so we kind of watched soccer with

15:44

him and we liked that, and then we

15:46

watched the Olympics whenever that came on. But I think,

15:48

of course, as we got older, we started

15:50

to watch sports. The probably the earliest I

15:52

remembers like watching Tracy McGrady and

15:55

the Rockets, like that's probably that's not

15:57

even that long ago, but that's that's kind of

15:59

that's the noahs T Mac.

16:02

I remember like anytime he's

16:05

oh t Mac gets a big big

16:07

Macs, I used to scream, I see so happy. Yeah

16:09

if they if the Rockets scored over one

16:11

hundred points, you get big Mac. Yeah,

16:13

So I was so happy. Yeah, see I'm a

16:15

I'm a Lakers fan and Lakers

16:19

and uh the Sparks and so

16:22

yeah, it's like if they score for one hundred points,

16:24

you get tacos. Yes, right,

16:26

yeah, it's all about the tacos. Okay,

16:28

to tell me how you feel about the Lakers this squad,

16:30

you must be happy. I'm very,

16:32

very very happy. I mean, it's

16:35

a little upsetting just because if

16:37

the season had to sort of get cut short, looks

16:39

like we're gonna start playing basketball again. But

16:42

I mean it's a special team for sure.

16:44

A D is the man. I

16:47

mean that I think he's

16:49

almost an underrated player in a way. That guy's

16:51

gonna be I mean, there's

16:53

nothing he can't do, you know, Agreed, crazy

16:56

agree. I just love the Lakers

16:58

squad right now. It's back to show time

17:00

a little bit. It's so fun. It's

17:02

just these guys are having the time of their lives.

17:05

It feels like, you know, yeah, I agree.

17:07

I mean, now you speak of my language, you know,

17:09

the analysts come out

17:11

in her. I know.

17:14

It's so funny because like I can't like root

17:16

for teams because like once you're a broadcaster,

17:18

like, oh, you're biased. But I'm like, well, technically,

17:21

I'm an LA athlete, so I can co sign

17:23

on you. But then the minute I say something positive

17:25

about the Clippers, all of LA comes

17:27

at you. You know what I mean, Oh yeah,

17:30

oh yeah yeah. I like just try

17:32

to stay because I

17:35

was always a huge football fan, and

17:37

then basketball to me was always

17:39

about my Baron. He was

17:41

like my best friend growing up, Davis,

17:44

Baron Davis. We went to high school together, and

17:46

so anywhere he played, I just supported

17:48

him. And now wearing

17:50

the problem. There's a problem in the Hudson

17:52

household because my nephew's

17:55

wearing all Clippers gear. Everything

17:58

is Clippers, Clippers, Clippers. And I

18:00

been a Lakers fan since forever, forever.

18:03

It's not it's not a cool thing, right,

18:05

And I just love sports. I mean we were

18:07

sitting watching the last Dance and

18:10

I was just like, oh my god, Like is

18:12

this the best sport ever? I

18:15

mean, we talk about showtime

18:17

when you're saying that, you know, watching the Bulls

18:19

and their Hayday and watching them

18:22

talk about this time and like that special

18:25

time, and in basketball is like

18:27

like rock and Roll meets basketball.

18:30

That was just so incredible.

18:33

Do you have a story like meeting Michael?

18:35

I also love Michael Jordan. Yes, okay, I also

18:38

like, literally I'm in love with him and I love

18:40

you, but I love him more.

18:43

Have you guys, have you guys met MJ I

18:46

have? I think I've met him, kidding,

18:48

but I work with Snottie Pippen and

18:50

it's funny like I've known him

18:52

post playing and so now

18:54

to watch it and I'm like, oh, okay, like

18:57

swag on a whole different level now like

18:59

I will be, but now you see

19:01

sort of what he like overcame. So it's been

19:03

kind of cool. And I love seeing like the

19:05

old hands, like the og so to still have

19:07

like beefs. I learned

19:10

so much throughout that documentary. I didn't know a single

19:12

player's name, like I could recognize

19:15

faces, but I did not know those NBA legends

19:17

names just because I just didn't do my research. But

19:20

then I started learning, like Scottie

19:22

Pippen, I'm pretty sure he was at Pepperdine

19:24

and like with shooting or what's something once and I was

19:26

like, I've seen that face. Look this

19:28

is about the deal with Half the time I take

19:30

her around to these basketball arenas

19:33

and then she just like on her phone and like her

19:35

friends are like yo, tell her. Yeah. So

19:37

I posted a picture on her birthday this past year

19:39

and we were at some ESPN event

19:41

and I was like, hey, birthdaya blah blah, and

19:43

they're like, yo, is that Jerry West in the background.

19:46

And I was like whoo And they're like Jerry

19:48

West and I had I had to google

19:51

it and I was like, oh, that is Jerry

19:53

West in the background, and I tweeted person back.

19:55

I was like, yeah that is and they're like

19:57

whoa. And I was like Cheney And

19:59

I told her and she was like, what is literally

20:02

the symbol of the NBA

20:04

the logo.

20:07

I was so shocked. I

20:09

was so shock to deal with. Yeah,

20:12

that's actually I think it's

20:14

actually really amazing that your love

20:16

for basketball came from literally playing

20:19

the sport and not from watching

20:21

the sport, you know what I mean. Like, that's

20:23

a real pure way of loving something.

20:26

Well, let's go back a little bit. Let's go back to your childhood,

20:28

you know, growing up? What was that like, what was

20:31

you know, was there a lot of discipline? Were

20:33

you girls all super tight, you

20:36

know, go for it academic

20:39

discipline? Yeah, there was discipline,

20:41

But at the same time, I don't think there was that much discipline.

20:44

It was almost like for her youngest.

20:46

Yeah, exactly, exactly honestly,

20:49

Like nechA, our oldest sister pretty much raised

20:51

me, like by then they my parents had

20:53

her on lock, so like she raised me pretty much.

20:55

But it was like my mom definitely

20:57

emphasized school. She was like, you know, do what in

21:00

school and things of that nature. But

21:02

I think we kind of just knew her aura and we just

21:04

went with it afterwards. She didn't really have to keep telling

21:06

us every single time, like you should be studying

21:09

all things like that. But it was fun.

21:11

I mean, anything that Olivia and I

21:13

did, Necka and Cheney already did, so we always

21:15

had like resources when it came to school,

21:18

you know, like I like Cheney's handwriting better than mine,

21:20

so she would write her my like biology

21:22

on my binder for me and

21:24

stuff like that. So like, I don't

21:27

know, it was fun growing up with them. We definitely

21:29

like didn't have to have babysitters as

21:32

much or ways of entertainment because there was always

21:34

four of us. Yeah, our experiences are probably

21:36

different just between like the divide, So Neka

21:39

is two years older than me, I'm currently

21:41

twenty eight, and then there's four years

21:43

between me and our younger sister Chisome

21:45

Olivia. Wait first, actually, let me give you

21:47

the names. Okay, oh yeah, Eric's hold

21:49

on, let's go from the bottom up. I always not doing

21:51

this. Okay, your name is Erma

21:54

Erica, but you don't have to

21:56

just do the first. Your name is Ernma. Then

21:59

Chiso, yeah, she said, I'm

22:03

Thenkati and

22:05

then write this wa is our

22:07

mom, and then but

22:13

they call and then our dad's name is Peter

22:15

Peter. Was

22:19

he born with Peter though yes, technically

22:22

it's like his middle name though here's but

22:27

so Peter, Chiso

22:30

and are well it was your your

22:32

grandparents look religious, it's Peter

22:35

from the Bible. Your dad's name. Our

22:37

dad's a junior to so yeah Peter. So

22:40

yeah, we're from southeastern part

22:42

of Nigeria where Ebo, so like

22:44

Nigeria's Ebo house I you're

22:46

about. Typically the main ethnic groups were

22:49

Ebo. And yeah, my dad,

22:51

his father's name was Peter Ogik

22:53

and then my dad is the first born son

22:56

Peter okay junior. So he's sort of like

22:58

now the heir, the patriot of our current

23:00

modern family. If we had a brother Peter,

23:03

yeah for sure, or

23:07

so growing up though, how much tradition

23:10

was Nigerian tradition was brought

23:12

into your house. I mean we were in a Nigerian

23:14

home, so like we ate

23:17

Nigerian food all the time. On weekends, we're

23:19

going to see other of our aunties and

23:21

uncles, which even though they're family friends, it's like everybody's

23:23

young. I thought I was related to so many

23:25

people growing up, but

23:28

yeah, that was a culture is

23:30

like a huge part of us. Like we still go back.

23:32

I go back at least every year. They go back

23:35

every year. So I've been gone since high

23:37

school because of college and stuff, but I'll be going back

23:39

now. Yeah. Yeah, but like, yeah, we

23:42

grew up with a huge appreciation

23:44

for our culture and our heritage and

23:46

we sort of like yeah now

23:48

sort of like are trying to teach people a little

23:51

bit about it. And I think like now, especially in

23:53

Hollywood, you're starting to see, as you mentioned, like more

23:55

Nigerians out there, and you can I always say,

23:57

like if you know one, you could sort of spot

23:59

them off right. And

24:03

did you grow up in was it a Nigerian

24:06

neighborhood or was it

24:09

no burbs urbs? You

24:11

were like borderline country, not

24:13

country, but Bootball, Texas. But

24:15

we were born in Tumbull, Texas. But

24:18

we were we grew up in Spring,

24:20

Texas. This is all like suburbs of Houston.

24:23

But now we went to high schools and

24:25

like later later middle school and high school in Cyprus,

24:27

Texas. So we're always in Houston,

24:30

always the suburbs of Houston. Yeah. But yeah,

24:32

like she's the one who probably talks with the most Texan

24:34

accent out of all of us. I heard that.

24:37

I heard that. Did it? No way? I

24:39

swear to god, I did. I was like, oh, I

24:41

hear the little my mom. They

24:45

always say that, but I don't think so. But when I

24:47

went to Pepperdine, they were like, oh my god.

24:49

I was like what. I

24:52

was like, y'all sound weird. You just said y'all.

24:54

So there you go. Okay. It's

24:57

funny because you're in the middle of like this

24:59

huge, mega I think, like the fourth

25:01

largest city in the US, super diverse,

25:04

super metropolitan. But like the minute

25:06

you get out, like past fifteen minutes, like

25:08

it's just country. I didn't realize where

25:10

am I. I didn't realize. So I

25:12

came home back home from Stanford, like left home

25:14

for the first time. I was like, we're going to our

25:17

neighborhood, Like, oh, there's like a ranch right next to our neighborhood,

25:19

Like cows are on Like we just went john on the

25:21

other day and we saw cows on the loose. No, yeah, how

25:23

cute. During quarantine, we work out at

25:25

this park and there's literally cows every day

25:27

and cows and goats and I think it's so normal, but like's

25:31

like, what, Yeah, it's not normal. And you

25:33

don't think of Houston like that. Did you girls?

25:35

Did all? Did all your girls get along growing up?

25:37

Or was there was there tens the fighting?

25:40

Yeah, we got along. We got along for the

25:42

most part. I

25:47

was a little menace growing up. Oh

25:49

my god, I just we got along. But I was just

25:51

the youngest, so it was always something

25:54

that bothered me. So Necho would

25:56

pick out our clothes every single day for school,

25:58

and she would literally go on word and

26:01

make a thing and it would be like, do you want to wear

26:03

a dress or a skirt? And we would have

26:05

to circle it and then we'd push it under her

26:07

door. And so this actually

26:10

happens. Actually, yeah, So we would circle what we wanted

26:12

and then we'd slide it under her door and

26:14

then in the morning she woke up like twenty minutes before,

26:16

so she would pick our clothes out. I don't

26:18

think I ever liked an outfit she picked up. I

26:20

always everything will went out weep. But how that

26:24

that's the cutest thing ever that she actually

26:27

like helped you. Yeah,

26:29

and I didn't. I took you for organized and

26:32

you're like, this is terrible everything. I'd be

26:34

like, I don't want to wear this. She'd be trying to get me to match,

26:36

and I, yeah, I didn't want to match.

26:39

She was difficult for no reason, Like,

26:41

but you know that's how the youngest are. They

26:43

like got to fend for themselves. Yeah, oh

26:47

oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that's so true because

26:49

I have two boys and a little girl. And

26:51

my little girl she's super feminine,

26:54

but she's tough as shit, Like she wants

26:56

to wrestle and she wants to get in

26:58

there. I mean she has to to fight for her

27:00

spot. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

27:03

Yeah. We didn't fight physically though, because

27:05

of all girls, I guess, but we definitely fought

27:07

with words. Oh yeah, words can hurt

27:10

more than I want to know

27:12

what that's like. I mean, you

27:14

know, as a girl with all brothers.

27:16

I don't. I never had that experience. I didn't

27:18

know you know what I mean. Yeah, it would be

27:20

so nice. It feels like it would be such a nice relief

27:22

to like fight with words

27:24

and to actually like because girls

27:26

listen to what we say to each other, you know

27:29

what I mean, Like you're

27:31

you'll pick up on every word. You know.

27:33

That's so funny because I feel like I wish we could

27:35

just actually fight. Yeah, they like

27:38

a lot of guys will just fight and then you see

27:41

them go play video games like two seconds

27:43

later, like they're good because they hashed it out. Like us,

27:45

it's like you're holding a grudge and then and

27:47

then you need to like you need something for them, so you're like, hey,

27:50

can you give me the So it's just awkward

27:52

and like the way things were quelled in our household,

27:54

which is actually funny. Our mom made us

27:57

like all decide on the same like show to

27:59

watch, like everyone had to say so

28:01

like we'd be fighting and then we don't be seen what

28:03

do you want to watch? Okay?

28:06

Oh god that One of the worst times in

28:08

parenting for me is when it's family

28:11

movie night. Okay, and then it's

28:13

like, all right, what do we watch it and it starts off

28:15

super exciting, we got popcorn, and

28:18

then it devolves into just hell

28:20

because no one can decide on the movie. Everyone's

28:23

yelling I don't want this. One

28:25

person leaves and isn't watching that and

28:29

find me. I'm like this, I'm done with

28:31

it. There is no movie night. We're done.

28:33

We're done. O good? Was

28:36

was your was your dad? Did they

28:38

want a boy? There's four of you

28:40

girls? Were they trying for a boy?

28:43

So? I think they probably

28:45

were trying for a boy. But one thing

28:47

that we love about our dad is like coming

28:49

from Africa where you know, in Africa, it's

28:51

extremely patriarchal culture

28:54

and society, right, Like a lot

28:56

of times boys are the status of like family

28:58

through generations. You need a boy because

29:00

he carries on the name, like that means a lot.

29:02

Well, my dad had four girls and so

29:05

like he's often and he's the first son. He's like

29:07

the air, like I said, the patriarch of

29:09

our family. And a lot of people would

29:11

go to him in the Nigerian culture and just say, hey,

29:14

like don't you need a son, like

29:16

you have four girls? And he said, my

29:18

four girls are better than all your sons. Like

29:20

he never really cared. And I think, like,

29:23

you know, we talk about girl dads now, he

29:25

was really a girl dad because like from

29:27

the beginning, it's not easy

29:30

to like hear your peers say, oh, why

29:32

are your girls wearing jerseys? Like why are they

29:34

like you know, not cooking and cleaning in the kitchen. Why

29:36

aren't they speaking ebo or natural language.

29:38

Our parents knew we were taking care of school and

29:40

that we were doing things to help each other and also play

29:43

sports. They saw that. He

29:45

saw that and for him to

29:47

like make the conscious decision to like constantly

29:49

uplift us in the midst of like

29:51

those preconceived ideas about

29:53

like what girls are back home, I think he just sort

29:55

of wanted like he used this as like ha ha, like

29:58

I'm gonna go get society like and

30:00

so I think that's where we get all of our confidence

30:02

from. Honestly, Like our mom is a badass woman,

30:05

like she plays no games, but our

30:07

dad is the one who sort of taught us like, look,

30:09

no one can stand in your way. You know, we're black women.

30:12

We were in industries like I'm in sports

30:15

in the w NBA. They constantly compare us

30:17

to the men. You know she's playing

30:19

basketball as well, where they like always

30:22

make these comparisons, so like he's

30:24

we didn't realize until like we entered

30:26

the real world, like graduating college, Like, oh,

30:28

so this is how we have to deal with like the

30:31

entire broad spectrum of things, Like our dad

30:33

didn't give us boundaries. So I

30:35

think we're super grateful that, like we're starting

30:37

to realize, Wow, like we are really the lucky ones,

30:39

Like most people don't have that experience. I think

30:41

lucky though they hoping I was a boy,

30:44

Oh

30:46

for sure, for sure,

30:50

I think there was a moment whether like the doctor

30:52

says, oh, it's another girl and you got do

31:02

you guys still do you guys stay connected to

31:04

Nigerian culture? I mean, is that still a big

31:07

part of your of your life? Huge

31:09

part? I think even more so now growing

31:11

up. I'm appreciating it even more cause it's kind

31:13

of now they started it growing up,

31:15

but it's now my obligation to still like try

31:17

to learn more and stay in touch. So like

31:20

I've personally like been listening to more Nigerian

31:23

music, like and all acrobeats are popular

31:25

like throughout the US now too, so it's not even hard

31:27

to like find Nigerian artists.

31:29

And it's funny because like in our culture, if you think

31:31

about occupations, like the joke is like you must

31:33

be a doctor or a lawyer and

31:36

that is it. Or engineer or engineer you're

31:38

a or engineer and that is it. But

31:40

now, like there's so many great creatives

31:42

out there. One of our friends is Ivan

31:44

Ougi, who just came out with a really cool

31:47

HBO special in comedy. Like,

31:49

there are a lot of athletes, Like there's Anthony

31:52

Joshua that's doing

31:54

great stuff in boxing. We're obviously in basketball,

31:56

Like yeah, there are are. You're starting to

31:58

see a few, like no people

32:01

of like Nigerian heritage that are doing the other.

32:04

But to get there, we've

32:06

had to be like all right, get your degree, like

32:08

you got to go to college, yeah, and then

32:10

you work on your like side hustle until

32:13

that side hustle could be your main hustle. But

32:15

like I do get hit by a lot of people, like

32:17

even I think some of our friends that are Nigerian,

32:19

like, hey, my parents don't understand. Yeah

32:21

they ask us and a struggle yeah, and

32:23

I think that's what I was like, Wow, our parents

32:26

aren't really like understanding like what

32:28

you know, So I feel really fortunate.

32:30

And people even joke about me because I'm going

32:33

to med schools too and stuff. They're like, oh, typical

32:35

Nigerian and I'm just like really,

32:38

and I'm like, I swear my parents did not make me

32:40

do it, like I actually want to do it, and they're like, yeah, sure,

32:42

they've probably made you, but no, Like when

32:44

I told my parents I wanted to be pre met, they

32:47

were like, are you sure they didn't want me

32:49

to do it because they were like, this looks hard, but

32:51

yeah, so I was like, yeah, I do it. So I

32:53

think our parents were ahead of the game. Well

32:55

it's like what you're saying, like the night like okay,

32:57

being a patriarchal sort of culture

33:00

right as you were saying, what does feminism

33:03

look like in that culture? Oh

33:05

man, it looks like honestly,

33:08

just us defying expectations,

33:11

right. Like. So one of the coolest

33:13

things I've done. I sort of fell into like

33:15

broadcasting. Currently work for ESPN.

33:18

I'm an NBA analyst, so I like report

33:21

primarily on the NBA, but I taught

33:23

like all sports sort of generally. And

33:26

one of the coolest things the way I got my foot in the

33:28

door. At ESPN was they had something

33:30

called Sports Center Africa and they

33:32

have like Sports Center Philippines, Sports Center

33:34

Australia and all these cool things, and

33:37

they did one for Africa for the millions of viewers

33:40

throughout Africa. I was able

33:42

to be a co host and

33:44

anchor on that show. And to me, like

33:47

I've been in the WBA like All Stars

33:49

fun and like I've gone to NBA games

33:51

and work on that, but like that role was

33:53

so special because knowing like the full circle

33:56

nature of my career, meaning like my

33:58

parents, like we could have gone back. We could

34:00

have been born in Nigeria, you know, I

34:02

could be in a culture. We could be in a culture

34:04

where like if you say a girl wants to play basketball

34:07

in Nigeria, they'd be like what is she doing? Like

34:09

the infrastructure is not there for

34:11

girls to find success like it is here in

34:14

America for opportunity. So when

34:16

I was doing that job, I was like this is it? Like

34:18

this is really cool. Literally, all

34:20

the millions of sports fans that are pretty

34:22

much men, They're gonna

34:24

get their sports news from a black female

34:27

Nigerian American athlete and

34:29

now hopefully they'll look at their daughters, and they'll look at

34:31

girls differently and say, well, if she's

34:33

talking sports, maybe she can do that too.

34:36

So like all those things I

34:38

think help us. I always tell people

34:40

like our existence is

34:42

the resistance, meaning like I know right

34:44

now we're in like a really difficult point in society,

34:47

but even just making it to where we are now

34:49

and doing what we do at a high level,

34:51

that to me is like pushing boundaries.

34:54

Like for her, like it was not easy to

34:56

watch her like go through all those

34:58

classes and courses, like I

35:00

was an international relations major. I

35:03

just want to have fun with that. You know, she

35:05

was in the gutter, like chemistry,

35:07

okam like all this stuff, like, oh,

35:11

I feel like this is PTSD. You took those

35:14

I know I got. I

35:16

got expelled from high school for cheating

35:18

on a chemistry test. So the word

35:21

chemistry

35:25

And he's not kidding. He literally got expelled

35:27

from high school. I'm

35:30

trying to think of the worst thing that happened to be in high school. The worst

35:32

thing that happened to be in high school was like there was

35:34

a food fight, and because it was happening,

35:36

you know how things happened, you jump and be like whoa

35:39

me? And my sister were the first ones to jump and be like

35:41

whoa, And so the cameras were like they must have thrown

35:44

the first one. So like we had

35:46

to go, I don't you even know this? No, we

35:48

had to clean up the cafeteria. But then we like you

35:50

know, appealed and they realized it.

35:54

We were nerds. Our mom was our principal in middle

35:56

school, so we just were nerdy. But

35:59

your top was your principal in middle

36:01

She was my assistant principal and

36:03

then her principal. Yeah, so

36:06

let's really quick, let's know you're that's

36:08

a whole other podcast. So what

36:11

do your parents do? Yeah, your

36:13

father works for So

36:15

he has his own company. So he used to he's

36:17

been in technology, he's an engineer, but then

36:19

he started creating his own company

36:22

that basically takes the way I describe it as

36:24

paper run businesses, which are more prevalent

36:26

in Africa, and he brings them digital.

36:29

So he has his own company. So like

36:31

during our adolescence, pretty much like

36:33

when we started playing basketball, he was on

36:35

the go twenty four to seven going running his

36:37

company. But then he'd come home for like

36:39

holidays and major games and every

36:42

like school function. So like he was always

36:44

on the go, but he was always there, our

36:47

manufacturing engineer. Yeah, long story shot,

36:49

there you go. Our mom she

36:51

had plans to go to law school, but when my dad and

36:53

her moved to Houston,

36:56

she started off as a special ed teacher.

36:59

Then she became a teacher, and

37:01

then at that school, by the time I was in middle school,

37:03

she was assistant principal, the

37:05

head of discipline of the school. By

37:07

the time she by the time

37:09

our little sisters were there, she was

37:11

a principal. And now she's the assistant

37:14

superintendent of our school district syd Parity.

37:16

And then she just got her PhD in education

37:19

this past December. She amazing.

37:22

Yeah, wait a minute, but your mother being

37:24

the principal or the vice

37:26

principal or the head of disciplinarian,

37:29

what was that like going to

37:31

the school where your mother's the one who could kick

37:33

your ass. It was harder for me than it was for her.

37:36

Like you guys were lit like

37:38

so for me and my older sister.

37:41

I will never forget. I had

37:43

a huge test. I was in the seventh

37:45

grade. It's a two story school,

37:47

Hamilton Middle School, and I

37:50

remember I didn't study. My mom knew

37:52

I was like it was a big one, and I

37:55

knew I did bad when I walked

37:57

out to lunch because she knows where I sit at lunch

37:59

and she was pacing by where I sit in the empty

38:02

cafeteria and I looked down. I was like, oh,

38:04

she's about tear to

38:07

me. So the teacher told her the great butcher

38:10

told her the brother before she told me before I even knew

38:12

about it. And I think she was like sent grenada touring

38:14

or something like that. But they sort

38:17

of had fun with her when she was the principal

38:19

for us, Like she wasn't as much. She still

38:21

did some discipline things, but it was fine, like like they

38:23

have food, yeah, the custodians would like give

38:25

us food, the cafeteria people. But

38:28

when you never got in trouble to where you had

38:30

to go to your mother, no, that was

38:32

like that was incentive enough to not no

38:34

yeah no, yeah, instead

38:37

of going to the principal's office, it's like go to your

38:39

mother's yeah yeah, yeah, literally,

38:41

But I like the idea that, like it was her

38:44

big a principal was incentivized

38:47

enough for you guys to like, incentive

38:49

enough for you to be on your best? Are

38:52

you not going to mom h

38:55

of course, because like most kids, most

38:57

kids were the discipline ends after you

38:59

leave her office, does

39:01

not end because you got to go home, Allie

39:03

Oliver, imagine if our mom

39:06

was the principal of any school, the

39:09

school would just explode that

39:12

school. I

39:16

would like be at mom's We'd be at mom's office

39:18

all the time. Oh

39:21

my god, my mom would just call us up there because she missed

39:24

us made the announcement.

39:27

I know. Yeah,

39:30

Oh my god, that's so funny.

39:32

Wow. Well, so

39:35

did you play basketball throughout all

39:37

of like middle school, like grade school, middle school,

39:39

high school? Yes, we bah,

39:42

yeah, basketball and volleyball. You're right, and we liked

39:45

volleyball, but it's hard to do both.

39:47

But yeah, we Once Necker

39:49

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39:52

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39:54

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40:21

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40:23

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40:26

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40:29

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40:32

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40:35

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40:38

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44:13

So let's go through drafting for a second. Like Nekka

44:16

was, she was the first and she was she was drafted

44:18

by Which team? Did she go number

44:20

one overall? Yeah? So they both went number

44:23

one over Yeah, they both went number one overall, Sparks.

44:25

She went, Necka went to the Sparks. They went two

44:28

years later to the Connecticut twenty twelve.

44:30

Neck was drafting number one to the Sparks twenty

44:32

fourteen. I was drafted to the Connecticut SNYA,

44:34

you are that's fucking crazy,

44:37

man, amazing, that's insane.

44:39

So what was it like seeing your older sister get

44:41

drafted number one? Where were you at?

44:43

Like, how did that all play out? It was nuts?

44:46

So that's huge. That whole

44:48

senior year. So we were at Stanford together. We

44:51

were having fun and

44:53

she like she had a tremendous senior

44:56

year. So I'm like, you know, like you have different personalities

44:58

as siblings. She's one that like is

45:00

just going and coasting, like she's killing it. She's

45:03

like naturally a boss. Right, She's

45:05

already been WNBA MVP. She's

45:07

been a WBA champion. She's

45:10

the w NBA our Players Association

45:12

president, so like as cool as we are,

45:14

we're just the trouble makers. Probably she's

45:17

a legit one. She's legit. So

45:19

it's just funny because her senior year in college,

45:21

So her senior year, my sophomore year,

45:24

I'm the one, the sister that's always like reading the

45:26

blogs, right, like ready to defend the sisters, right,

45:28

she's controlling. Yeah, So I was reading

45:30

this blog and I was like, yo, this is

45:32

crazy, Like Mekka, they're saying that, like you about to get

45:35

drafted into the WNBA. Like again, remember

45:37

when we played basketball. We just are playing

45:39

and having fun and like finding success.

45:41

We didn't know that there was an after or next. And

45:44

Sonaca's like, I think I want to go to

45:46

medical school. I don't know if I want to, like,

45:48

you know, do anything else. I was like, no, no no, no, no, you're not reading

45:50

this. They're saying you're getting picked number

45:53

one overall. So we literally

45:55

are going into the March Madness Tournament,

45:57

her final tournament, the final games of

45:59

our career, and she's like, oh, I don't know I'm gonna

46:01

I'm like no, no no, no, no, no no, noa, you're getting

46:03

drafted into w BA. And eventually

46:05

she sort of started to understand the hype.

46:08

A lot of people like growing up like that's their

46:10

dream. Imagine like senior year in college,

46:12

she's like, oh, okay, this is kind

46:14

of cool. Wow. So it was witnessed

46:17

that just because like we didn't know that that was an

46:19

expectation that could happen. And

46:21

then we're like, whoa, so I remember, how

46:24

is it different for you? Then? You know what I mean? Like

46:26

wait, wait, wait where were you when you found

46:28

out that Neka got Okay? So I was

46:30

there. So the draft happened in Connecticut

46:32

at the ESPN headquarters, So you

46:35

guys weren't right. It was myself and my mom.

46:37

I can't even remember, it's likely just can't remember.

46:40

Like we just didn't We didn't understand

46:42

the importance of all this. It was just happening.

46:44

No one sat us down and explained what was happening

46:46

exactly. So I wasn't there with

46:49

my parents because Neck and I two peas in a pod

46:51

you know, older too, And I remember watching

46:53

that. I was like, yo, this is dope.

46:56

And so two years so it was amazing to see

46:58

that happen but that sort of like planted the seat of my had.

47:00

So then I had my junior and senior year when

47:03

she was playing in the WNBA. I was like, oh, I want that

47:05

experience you. I want to be number one. And

47:07

so the irony, the coolest part about

47:09

it was the draft was still in Connecticut,

47:11

but this time for me in twenty fourteen. It

47:14

was at Mohegan Sun Casino. I don't know if you

47:16

guys been to that casino. Yeah, that's

47:18

where it is a lot of concerts. Yeah,

47:20

yea. So it was at that casino,

47:22

which is the home side of the Connecticut son

47:25

who had the number one pick. So I was

47:27

literally sitting there Necka sitting next to

47:29

me, my parents and my uncle, and

47:31

I'm like freaking out, like going nuts and

47:33

nervous, which everyone was like laughing at me because

47:35

you know you're number one, like of course, but you think you never

47:38

know until you're drafted. And so they

47:40

like they call my name and I just look at neck

47:42

and we're just sort of like, how has this happened?

47:44

Like this is crazy? And I was so

47:46

crazy that when they called my name for about like twelve seconds,

47:49

I was like I sort of like blacked out. I was like necka

47:55

literally was like come on, I

47:57

get together, go whoa you know. I was like

47:59

okay, like I'm that crazy

48:01

emotional type. And then so the crazy

48:04

the cool thing was that like it was literally in an

48:06

arena pact of my future fans because

48:08

they had the number one pick fans were

48:10

there. I was there for a concert

48:13

and I remember the audience being

48:15

like super low key,

48:17

like not a very energetic.

48:21

It was like, because they're all old, it would be

48:23

interesting playing sports there. Yeah.

48:26

So the thing about Connecticut is

48:28

that, like, yes, very much

48:30

older crowd. I spent my first five

48:32

years in my career there, but you

48:34

can't women's basketball, Like probably only

48:37

the most successful women's basketball program

48:40

is there. So like all of their fan

48:42

base like loves women's basketball. So

48:45

like when as like women's basketball players

48:47

were always fighting for respect because like people are

48:49

always like trying to shade us for no reason. But

48:51

in that state, they support women's basketball.

48:53

So yes, they're a little bit more chill, but

48:56

they come to the games, you know what I mean. Let's

49:00

talk about that for a second. Though. The w n b

49:02

A, the NBA, you

49:04

know, the success of the WNBA,

49:07

you know, just your feelings on how to move

49:09

forward with it. Look, Kobe Bryant

49:12

for me, I mean, that was one

49:14

of the crazier days of my life. I was

49:16

so upset and I didn't really understand why I met

49:19

him one time, but he represented something

49:21

for me. Gianna as

49:23

well. I think with him, with

49:26

Kobe and the work that he was doing, it

49:29

was pushing. It was going to be pushing

49:31

girl ball, it was going to be pushing the WNBA.

49:34

Jihana was going to be something

49:36

great, and it was almost like Kobe

49:39

was going to be the one to really

49:41

bring the w NBA to where it should be. Right.

49:44

I mean, there's so many tragedies, you know, but

49:46

that's definitely one of them. You know. So

49:49

where are you girls at with the w NBA

49:52

currently and how do we how

49:55

do we even make it even more

49:57

hype? How do we make it even as bigger than it all?

50:00

By you even like acknowledging us

50:02

is awesome and Kate like for you

50:04

sharing, you know, like your point of view on sports

50:07

on your platform, that like changes the

50:10

narrative of what people think girls

50:12

should be, you know, like as athletes, as confident

50:15

women, Like that's just what we're all about. In the w

50:17

NBA, and I think, as you mentioned, when it came

50:19

to Kobe, I was in La I was

50:21

downtown. It was the Grammys

50:24

day in which the news happened in which

50:26

he passed, and I heard about it, and I,

50:29

you know, I worked for ESPN, So next thing, you know,

50:31

like I'm the only one in La Live

50:33

watching. Yeah, I was. I was in

50:35

Houston. I was taking a piano class at Rice.

50:37

So I was about to go practice a piano and my friend

50:40

NERD okay whatever. My

50:43

friend texted me and was like, is this real?

50:45

Ask your sister because she works for ESPN. So

50:47

I called Senane. She was like I don't know. I don't

50:49

know, and she was like my phone's blowing up and she had to

50:51

like hang up and I was like, oh my gosh, yeah,

50:53

and it was. It was crazy. And so being

50:56

downtown in La Live and like she called

50:58

me, my necka called me, and I was like, let

51:00

me just go into our studios, which is right there, to

51:02

confirm. And so I looked in the studios and like

51:05

the headline was there and it was

51:07

just like that was Grammy's day. So like when

51:09

I started walking, I was going to walk to Whole Foods

51:11

and like the Grammars were on, so you see people

51:13

walking in tuxas downtown and like beautiful

51:15

dresses. And then next thing, you know, over the

51:17

course of an hour, as people discover the news, I

51:20

started seeing people like in Jerseys,

51:22

I saw someone bring a bouquet, like within

51:25

an hour of the news, like a mural

51:27

already being put up, and like, yeah,

51:29

a lot of people felt like you said, Kobe

51:31

was bigger than sports, Like his mentality,

51:34

his mama mentality is something that we all, like,

51:36

what your craft of acting and entertainment

51:38

for us in basketball, Like we

51:40

all it sort of resonated with us. He

51:43

was that first real, like real

51:45

ally that we needed in the women's

51:48

basketball community. I always tell people that, like,

51:50

we don't need these guys to co sign us

51:52

because if they really know, they

51:54

know that we are the best women's basketball league

51:56

in the world. Only one hundred and forty four

51:58

women get to play in the w so like,

52:01

yes, we're a lead full of badass women. Like

52:03

every time I always tell people, like you look at the WNBA

52:05

and it's like that song like a you

52:09

know what I mean, like you can run it and the kind

52:11

of women into WNBA and

52:13

like we're always, you know, on the forefront of social

52:16

activism and standing up for causes

52:18

that we're passionate about. Kobe saw

52:20

that and he understood it and he championed

52:22

it. And it's really tough because like not

52:25

only losing Kobe, but also Gigi, Like

52:28

she was the one that he said, look,

52:30

I don't we're talking about sons, Like, I don't

52:32

need a son. This is a girl, dad. She

52:34

is the one that's gonna rock my name on the back and really

52:36

change the game for us. So it really hurt

52:39

us because we had seen her at our WNB games.

52:41

We saw him like that

52:44

season of this past season,

52:47

the US women's national team came and

52:49

played in LA. He obviously

52:51

brings his daughters to every major

52:53

women's event because he's like trying to put them

52:56

and show them, you know, greatness, and

52:58

he's been a great mentor for all

53:00

of us in that. And so our Sparks

53:02

team was there. He had a suite. We're all watching

53:04

and supporting the US women's national team. He invites

53:07

us to the suite and so we go in there

53:09

thinking like, oh, shoot, we get this cool photo

53:11

op with Kobe, right, and then we

53:13

end up staying there for forty five minutes. Our

53:16

coach now this past season, Derek

53:19

Fisher Laker legend, right, and

53:21

so we're trying to pay that

53:24

right. Meeting Kobe then it

53:27

just showed us that as passionate as

53:29

he was about basketball, is how he was about

53:32

his love for his daughters, and that translated

53:34

to us as women, like he was here

53:36

to help us because he saw us sort of

53:39

as like daughters of the game and that

53:41

type of stuff. So yeah, we like it. Just

53:43

oh yeah, And there was like a and he's

53:45

been the firston forever I'll never forget.

53:48

Like when I was at Stanford my freshman

53:50

year, we played at Staples for the Pac

53:52

twelve tournament, and Staples

53:54

is obviously the Lakers locker room. I did the

53:56

corny thing of saying, like, Yo, if we win, I'm

53:58

gonna write a note to Kobe. And

54:00

so we won and we're leaving the locker room.

54:02

They're like, tone, you're gonna leave your note. So I ripped a piece

54:04

of paper and wrote a note, Dear Coby

54:07

Kobe, thank you for letting us. He's

54:09

your locker room, Like probably the corniest thing ever. Right,

54:12

you're killing it. This season. We're rooting for you.

54:15

Sincerely, Chenee and Stanford women's basketball.

54:18

Like everyone talks about his attention to detail. This

54:20

happened in twenty eleven

54:23

and a few days later, we're

54:25

at practice at Stanford and

54:27

our coach calls like says my name, like at

54:29

the end of the huddle before we leave Chaney.

54:31

And I was like, Oh, shoot, what I do? Because I was that type of person

54:34

that like didn't do something that caused us to run

54:36

occasionally. And I was like, Oh, shoot,

54:38

what I do. She's like toay, did you leave a

54:40

note for Kobe in the locker

54:42

room at stables. I was like, our whole team just

54:45

starts jumping up and down because they knew I did. He

54:47

got that scrap of paper from his

54:50

locker and then followed up reached

54:52

out to a trainer he was working with the

54:54

Lakers to contact us at Stanford

54:57

to tell us that he was proud of us for winning the tournament,

54:59

good luck, strive for greatness and everything

55:01

that you do. So like he was doing those

55:03

types of things for female athletes,

55:06

for women, for women period, like in the

55:08

sport, that understood what he represented,

55:11

you know, throughout his life. So that's

55:14

why we love Kobe. It

55:17

makes makes me want to cry. I know.

55:20

Fuck man, Well, where do you think the w

55:23

n B A is right now? You mean? I mean

55:25

where? Where? Where do we need to go? Like? How

55:27

how does it keep growing? Oh? Well,

55:29

we're trending in the right direction, honestly,

55:32

Like if you look at our marketing dollars

55:35

spent like with Jersey sales, if you look at

55:37

our streaming numbers. There's a lot of

55:39

fake news out there when it comes to the WBA,

55:42

Like it's so socially acceptable

55:44

for no offense those week I don't want to say

55:46

weird kids that probably are like teenagers

55:49

that think it's like cool when they see a w BA,

55:51

they'll be like kitchen or y'all are trash,

55:54

Like they just put that automatically, not understanding

55:56

that they're judging a game upon which they don't

55:58

even know on top of

56:00

it, But does that happen a lot? That

56:02

happens a lot? Was so terrible.

56:06

I think we're at this point

56:08

in society, which is really great, like where

56:10

we don't just like let those things ride

56:13

and slide, like we actually call them

56:15

out. So now I think people are starting

56:17

to see the WNBA for what it is like a

56:19

league full of amazing women, women that are leaders,

56:22

women that are amazing

56:24

like savages on the court. And so

56:26

now we're also putting ourselves out there

56:28

like as individuals like me, I'm

56:31

also a broadcaster. She's going to medical school.

56:33

We have so many women doing cool different things,

56:35

Like there are women that are now coaches in the NBA

56:38

right now, Like one of my teammates is a coach for

56:40

the Washington Wizards as well. It's

56:42

so awesome. You know, we can't wait on the men

56:45

to help us get validation. You didn't

56:47

earn anything, you know what I mean

56:49

from a man. You earned it from yourself, you

56:51

know, on the merit of your own skill. It was a man

56:53

who fueled me to earn any

56:57

It was a lack of that that helped

56:59

me feel thank you exactly. But

57:01

even like if you think about your mom, just

57:04

like paving the way and setting an example

57:06

for you, another woman that sort

57:08

of could say, hey, this is what you need to know

57:10

and what you don't you know, Like that

57:13

to me is so big when it comes to women's sports

57:15

in general. We're realizing that

57:17

in this time, all right, maybe people will continue

57:19

to comparison men. Maybe people will still

57:21

think that we're less than the men. Well, who cares.

57:24

I've got us women's soccer that's

57:26

out here winning World Cups. I've got us women's hockey

57:28

that's out here fighting for a one league in the

57:30

WNBA. We just negotiated a new collective

57:32

bargaining agreement where we accomplish

57:35

like paid maternity leave for women and

57:37

you know, better compensation and salary.

57:40

And then like even more general, like

57:42

it's not just in sports where all of us are coming together

57:44

and helping each other. You remember in twenty

57:46

sixteen with the Women's March, Like obviously

57:49

that was a huge moment for women. We were like, hold up,

57:51

we rolled deep, Like we roll

57:53

this deep. They don't have to hear us,

57:56

you know what I mean? So, like, I think coming

57:58

together as women, women's supporting women,

58:00

women creating opportunities for other women Like

58:03

that to me can change the game. But

58:06

now what for you? When did you

58:08

you? You just got drafted right like

58:10

two months ago in quarantine.

58:13

Yeah, in quarantine we had a virtual draft. I actually

58:15

put it on my YouTube channel. It was really cool. Yeah,

58:17

and tell us how to tell us how

58:20

that went down? I mean, yeah, you whereas

58:22

were all together. Yeah, I wasn't like my

58:24

sisters to where I was going to be a number one draft

58:26

pick, like I've had a successful college

58:28

career, and so they were just like,

58:30

it's a virtual draft, you know, record

58:33

what you're wearing. You know. They tried to tell us, but I wasn't

58:35

a first I wasn't number one draft pick

58:37

like them. I didn't know if I was going to get drafted.

58:39

It was like up in the air, you know. I went to Rice University.

58:42

It's a great number fifteen academically

58:44

and like basketball wise, we did really well. I did

58:46

well, but it's not like a Yukon

58:49

Stanford, you know. So I was just They're like,

58:51

hey, you're going to get drafted, and I just didn't know.

58:53

So that's why this whole year I was preparing for

58:55

med school. I was doing med school interviews while playing

58:58

basketball. But yeah, so I we

59:00

just all went to one house and put

59:02

on ESPN, and we truly did not know

59:04

when I was going to get picked. Like every single

59:07

they're like, and the number ten pick, We're just

59:09

like because we just didn't. We

59:11

did not know whatsoever. So it was

59:13

like it was probably a true Joe was the

59:15

first real true draft. Yeah, because

59:17

the rest of them, they both knew they were number one. So

59:19

then they picked. They called my name at the twenty

59:21

sixth pick, and it was funny

59:24

because I was drafted to the New York Liberty.

59:26

So we were like jumping and cheering and all

59:28

that stuff. It was really cool. It was like, oh, wi me

59:30

in New York. And then first

59:33

trade of the draft, They're like, word

59:35

is Erico Glumik was traded to the Minnesota

59:37

Lynx And I was like, whoa,

59:41

I'm just recording this from my YouTube channel

59:43

too, so like I had it up and like I

59:45

had to forewarn my subscribers, like don't

59:47

read my face. Like I was just in shock. I

59:49

promised, I was excited. I

59:52

was just in the context behind it is that

59:54

the Minnesota Links are like the rivals

59:56

of the Sparks. Yeah, especially the only rival

59:58

team of the Sparks, the only one. Two of us are

1:00:00

on the Sparks. And now she's traded to our rival.

1:00:03

Oh my god. Wow, So that was

1:00:06

crazy. I was like the first trade

1:00:08

of the draft. But honestly though, I was like excited

1:00:10

because if you're traded, that means they really

1:00:13

want you and they just had to figure out a way

1:00:15

to get you. So, like I was like, okay, you know, that's

1:00:17

awesome to know that a team really wanted me. Like, so

1:00:19

you guys are going to be playing against each

1:00:21

other as like rivals.

1:00:24

It's possibly. Yes, yes, wow,

1:00:28

fun, that sounds fun. I know. I

1:00:30

was like, I'm trying to put myself in that

1:00:32

position, like if that was us, Oliver I

1:00:35

had, if I you know, how

1:00:37

would it look. Yeah, it would be fun. Fun,

1:00:41

And he did, I just post you up.

1:00:46

That's what they're probably gonna do to me. That's what she'll

1:00:48

do to you, of course, right. I mean, so

1:00:50

for five years I played against Neka,

1:00:53

so I was with the Connecticut Sun before I got traded to the

1:00:55

Sparks to play with her. Let me tell

1:00:57

you that first game first of all,

1:01:00

Higher Africa was there because that was the first

1:01:02

time. That was the first time we played against

1:01:04

each other. And when we played, so

1:01:06

the jump all happened, and of course, like sisters

1:01:09

are on the jump ball, the Mecca's

1:01:11

got more bunnies than me, so she got it, which was cool.

1:01:14

But you know me, the corny one like where we

1:01:16

have to match up against each other, She's running back.

1:01:18

She'sa I was like telling that, was

1:01:20

like, yeah, this is gonna be fun. She didn't even

1:01:22

hear me. They went straight to her on

1:01:24

the block. She hit me with like a fad away

1:01:27

bucket, and I was like, oh, I

1:01:29

better come ready because Mechel

1:01:31

was ready to roast. I held my own dough.

1:01:34

I held my own but I knew the first possession

1:01:36

she was coming for me. How how how many

1:01:38

times have you guys gone up against each other? It

1:01:40

really sucks for me because like my team at

1:01:43

the time was bad, Like we

1:01:45

I think we won like maybe nine games

1:01:48

my first year or so. Because

1:01:50

typically you have the number one draft pick that means

1:01:53

yeah, I get it. Yeah, And so we

1:01:55

started from the bottom that we're here right the

1:01:58

first few years, I think I took I got my butt by

1:02:00

neck of like the first few years. And then the last

1:02:02

few years our team started to get better

1:02:04

because we got more draft picks we got, you know,

1:02:06

and then we beat them a couple of times. But

1:02:09

then eventually I just my sisters. So a

1:02:11

lot of people don't know when you play in the WBA,

1:02:14

you played from May to October. Typically

1:02:17

October to May, WBA

1:02:19

players go and play overseas. So

1:02:21

I played in Italy, I played in China,

1:02:23

and Neck has played in Poland, China and Russia

1:02:26

for a couple of years. So like I barely

1:02:28

ever since my sister graduated Stamford, I

1:02:30

barely seen her. She's been in the WNBA or

1:02:33

in China or one of those countries, and

1:02:35

so I felt like it was important for

1:02:37

our family, like we were missing each other. So after

1:02:39

five years, I was very lucky

1:02:41

that the Connecticut Sun traded me to La

1:02:44

So now we can hang out at least during the summertime.

1:02:46

Well now, but when you were playing each other, would

1:02:49

you have to hold your like love for each

1:02:51

other or were you like fuck it? Like ah,

1:02:54

So like I'm trying to remember what

1:02:56

happened exactly, but like I remember I was

1:02:58

on the free throw line and they were being us, and

1:03:00

you know, like people are nicer when they're beating you.

1:03:02

So I was standing next to the neka and that's just

1:03:04

like your shoes untied, I don't shoes

1:03:06

on tied. Its god

1:03:09

like I was salty, but she that makes

1:03:11

me more that like makes me more frustrated.

1:03:13

And people are nice when they know that you're losing,

1:03:16

you're like, don't do that, don't

1:03:20

cheer, just cheer when y'all would score

1:03:22

because we didn't want to cheer for either team. Yeah,

1:03:24

such a year forward, right, yes, both

1:03:26

of us are forwards. Yeah, okay, you're

1:03:29

five night five night point guard. I'm like, yeah,

1:03:31

who's the guard shooting

1:03:34

guard? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Oh

1:03:37

you guys, this is just incredible.

1:03:39

I hope that opportunity actually

1:03:41

happens, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1:03:44

you get because we've got two on

1:03:46

one right here. I know, I

1:03:49

know with the baby,

1:03:52

I feel like you might be a little easy on her

1:03:54

because she's your baby's sister. Oh you don't like

1:03:56

shoot shoot shooting? Yeah, I'm

1:03:59

a good Well

1:04:01

you could probably cross or over we

1:04:04

should. Oh yeah, you know you're quick.

1:04:06

I'm sure you're pretty quick, right. Yeah.

1:04:08

You know, an athletes, life

1:04:10

playing at high level is short.

1:04:13

It's not usually a long lived

1:04:15

experience. So what do you feel like you're taking

1:04:18

from this right now? And then where do you want to go

1:04:20

with it when that part of your

1:04:22

career is over? Yeah?

1:04:24

I think you like nailed

1:04:27

it, because a lot of athletes don't even realize

1:04:29

that. We get in this mind frame of like

1:04:31

ball is life, but at some point

1:04:33

you're gonna like have to hang your shoes up, and it's gonna

1:04:36

be done, and it comes quicker than you even know.

1:04:38

I think, considering that we sort of fell into

1:04:41

basketball and fell in love with it, we've

1:04:43

already sort of like been destined probably for other

1:04:45

things. Like I didn't know that I would

1:04:47

go into broadcasting and you

1:04:49

know, report on the NBA. Honestly,

1:04:52

it happened to me when I got injured.

1:04:54

So I learned this Kate when I

1:04:56

was injured twice. I've had right knee

1:04:58

microfracture surgery and left

1:05:00

achilles surgery. Both injuries take you out

1:05:02

for like a year and a half. So when she won

1:05:05

her state championship, I was at

1:05:07

home on crutches, like she won, and

1:05:09

I was like crutching, like yeah, let's go. So

1:05:13

I learned that lesson then that

1:05:16

like, oh, sports can go at any time,

1:05:19

and so I think I started saying yes to a

1:05:21

lot of opportunities. And she understands this because

1:05:23

like this platform that sports

1:05:25

gives us is really tremendous. That's why you see a

1:05:27

lot of athletes like jumping on causes

1:05:30

and you know, using their platforms

1:05:32

to create like meaningful change. So for me,

1:05:35

I never thought like through those injury times

1:05:37

and me saying yes, I'm like, yeah I'll go on this network,

1:05:39

and yeah I'll go and talk to these people. It

1:05:42

manifested into like, oh, would you work this women's

1:05:44

basketball game? Oh would you host sports

1:05:46

in Africa? Oh would be an NBA analyst?

1:05:48

Like these things just naturally led one

1:05:51

from like one thing to the other. And

1:05:53

so I guess for me, it's all about like uplifting

1:05:55

women in particular, especially

1:05:58

Black women, just because I know it was like doubly

1:06:01

hard to try to like you know, make it

1:06:03

and then you know, keep

1:06:05

the positivity and the joy and like not

1:06:08

box ourselves in and let like if you saw

1:06:10

me, people probably think, oh, like what does

1:06:12

she do? Like they don't necessarily know they see my name,

1:06:15

you know, just trying to bring all that positivity

1:06:17

that sports has brought us. But

1:06:19

I know she has like her own

1:06:22

point of view because like medical school is a whole other

1:06:24

beast. Yeah, I was coughing,

1:06:26

just something with my throat. It wasn't like I was trying to talk.

1:06:29

It was all for timing. But

1:06:31

yeah, I think ultimately I didn't even know sports

1:06:33

were gonna go past this year because I didn't know I was

1:06:35

gonna get drafted. So

1:06:38

yeah, I already planned on going to med school

1:06:40

becoming a position, and I think I just

1:06:42

liked sciences. So that's kind of how the pre med stuff

1:06:44

happened. Nobody in my family's done

1:06:46

anything medically related. Like whenever I

1:06:48

was doing med school interviews, they thought I got accepted

1:06:51

to the school and like, so they were cheering and stuff,

1:06:53

but I was like, no, it's an interview, or like they

1:06:55

didn't like when I press submit, they like were cheering.

1:06:57

Okay, she didn't get any of it. She was like,

1:07:00

I'm so little key with her medical school. She's like, oh,

1:07:02

I think I'm just gonna try to apply to it. I was like, no, no no, no, apply

1:07:04

to them all. Yeah, and the next you know, she got into

1:07:06

nine out of ten of her top medical

1:07:09

school. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, So I

1:07:11

just I knew that that was going to be what I wanted

1:07:13

to do after basketball. I like sciences.

1:07:16

I like just like how multi

1:07:18

dimensional medicine is. Like I plan on, you

1:07:20

know, trying to be like someone in health

1:07:22

admin, you know, like working with a

1:07:24

lot of people. So you

1:07:26

know, I love doctor pimple popper. That's like my ideal

1:07:29

job. I want

1:07:31

to be a Derman talks on TV like

1:07:34

that sounds amazing, you know, so

1:07:37

I just and I know she works with so many different

1:07:39

other like professions like entrepreneurs, business

1:07:41

people, so that sounds so cool to me. So other

1:07:43

than basketball, it was something that I learned throughout

1:07:45

school that I like. So it's nice to

1:07:47

know that basketball is going to continue, but I kind of know what

1:07:49

I want to do afterwards, and this is why I'm so,

1:07:52

how will that work for you? Yeah? I think

1:07:55

with the coronavirus and just everything going

1:07:57

on, it's very possible that I'm

1:07:59

able to do both this year because

1:08:01

school is remote most likely, but

1:08:04

if not, I was so scared whenever I

1:08:06

told all the med schools that accepted me, I

1:08:09

was so nervous, Like that was the reason on the draft day, I wasn't

1:08:11

even that happy because I was thinking they were going to take

1:08:13

away my acceptances. But every single

1:08:15

med school I called was like, this is amazing,

1:08:17

like enjoy what you're doing, like we're

1:08:19

gonna work with you. So I don't really know how

1:08:21

it's going to work, but all of them have been so accommodating,

1:08:24

and the one school I chose like is super accommodating

1:08:27

too, So to be determined

1:08:29

how it's going to work out, it will work out.

1:08:33

So I just I want to talk

1:08:35

about just race and growing

1:08:37

up and what that was like for you girls,

1:08:40

whether it was something that was talked about,

1:08:42

you know, in your family with your mom

1:08:44

and your dad, and how that just played

1:08:46

a part in your childhood and your upbringing

1:08:49

and where you're at right now with all of it.

1:08:51

So we are here, you know, like as

1:08:53

we mentioned, born and raised in Houston, Texas,

1:08:56

and I think right now where the world is

1:08:58

like our backyard. Our people are right

1:09:01

even though we're Nigerian American, when

1:09:03

we step outside, we're black, you

1:09:05

know, and we're Black American, and so we

1:09:07

have I guess you can say that like intersectionality

1:09:10

of like juggling multi

1:09:13

identities and so like

1:09:15

you think about what has happened in our backyard.

1:09:18

George Floyd was from Houston,

1:09:20

Texas. He went to Yates High School, one of the best

1:09:22

basketball programs in sports programs that we

1:09:24

always heard of growing up during

1:09:27

quarantine. Our dad had

1:09:29

always been saying, can we drive to Galveston. It's

1:09:31

like an hour drive out of Houston. Let's drive

1:09:33

to Galveston, and so ironic Galveston

1:09:36

has the dirtiest water,

1:09:38

nothing compared to Malady. Why,

1:09:41

yeah, my dad wanting to go Like that's how you know,

1:09:43

Like it's just not we just like to go on road trips, but like,

1:09:45

yeah, don't go there thinking it's yeah Malibu,

1:09:48

wa definitely not. But

1:09:50

like, you know, it was ironic that we went the day

1:09:53

after Juneteenth to Galveston

1:09:55

and we were just thinking about like how we are feeling

1:09:57

and how it feels different, especially being

1:10:00

in Houston. There's a woman by the name of Sandra

1:10:02

Bland that really affected our community

1:10:05

as well when it comes to social

1:10:07

injustice. So like as black

1:10:09

women in particular, you know,

1:10:11

I think a lot of times women, as

1:10:13

you know, like okay, you

1:10:16

know, tend to get neglected

1:10:19

in the narrative a lot, like whether

1:10:22

it's with salary, whether it is

1:10:24

with opportunity, whether

1:10:26

it is with raising their voices and actually

1:10:28

being heard. Right. So I think

1:10:31

the good thing that I've learned actually through

1:10:33

sports is that our

1:10:35

collective voice matters, which is why I wanted to

1:10:37

say, like I'm so glad to be on here with

1:10:39

you because as like a

1:10:42

huge woman, not just in the industry, but just literally

1:10:44

in the world, to share your platform

1:10:46

with us, to tell our truths, our stories, our

1:10:48

experiences and other women and

1:10:51

other siblings. It literally, as you

1:10:53

know on this podcast, it takes a village,

1:10:55

and so as women, the

1:10:58

way we see the world moving

1:11:00

when it comes to race, I think we're starting to realize

1:11:02

that we are more alike than we are different.

1:11:05

Like we all have

1:11:07

struggles, some people struggles are

1:11:10

way way more severe, you

1:11:12

know, because you know, there's issues of

1:11:14

privilege, and there's issues of just

1:11:17

you know, us being able to live

1:11:19

and move and breathe comfortably in this world.

1:11:22

So I guess

1:11:24

that's sort of where I said, And I think me personally

1:11:27

because I've been in Houston for like pretty

1:11:29

much twenty one years, like my whole life. I've

1:11:31

been in Houston because I went to Rice University,

1:11:34

which is literally in the heart of Houston as well,

1:11:36

so I have a more so academic

1:11:39

side as well, because Rice is a research institution

1:11:42

and they're a super diverse institution. But I've always

1:11:44

been a black student in Houston, a

1:11:46

black student in high school, so

1:11:48

I've been able to connect with a lot of academics

1:11:51

at RICE because I think when all of this happened,

1:11:54

everyone wanted to do something, you know, sign every petition

1:11:56

you could, like, they just wanted to do something.

1:11:58

And it's kind of hard to feel like you're

1:12:00

doing something, you know, especially at my age.

1:12:03

So I've been really involved in trying

1:12:05

to get more involved because people don't realize,

1:12:07

but there's so many people who do this for a living, you

1:12:09

know, trying to amplify voices about

1:12:12

voting, about like health disparities,

1:12:14

just different things like that. They do that for a living. So

1:12:17

it's been nice being able to connect with the

1:12:19

community at RICE and Houston in

1:12:21

general, to like join initiatives

1:12:23

that they're already doing. And I'm it's

1:12:26

kind of cool knowing that I've been in Houston

1:12:28

my whole life and I'm able to, you

1:12:30

know, just commit and give back a

1:12:32

little, you know, and it's it's

1:12:35

just it's a surreal experienced. You

1:12:37

did your parents ever touch upon it was when

1:12:39

you guys were kids, you know, and have

1:12:41

a talk with you or anything like that. I think

1:12:43

these are all conversations that like children

1:12:46

of black families have, like

1:12:48

and you don't even realize that this is just what

1:12:50

we have come to accept, not

1:12:52

knowing that like for the world, it's

1:12:54

just not fair that we have to accept these things.

1:12:57

So yeah, like when we go out, you know, it's

1:12:59

it's simple as saying, hey, don't be out

1:13:01

when the sun goes down, or you

1:13:04

know, don't wear a hoodie, or like when you see

1:13:06

people, like make sure your hands are free, or when you're

1:13:08

driving, you know, like I'm on the phone.

1:13:10

I lived in Connecticut for five

1:13:13

years and i would drive to ESPN at like

1:13:15

three or four in the morning and then like at one am

1:13:17

at night, and I'm on the phone with my

1:13:19

mom the whole time I'm driving, just in case something

1:13:21

happens. She's already ready to hear

1:13:24

our dad just sort of telling us that, hey,

1:13:27

like you need to be prepared at all

1:13:29

times, even though we didn't

1:13:31

feel or understand necessarily the weight of it.

1:13:33

This is just how life has always been for us,

1:13:35

right, It's almost like in your mind, it's

1:13:37

just the norm, which I get why they made it the norm

1:13:39

for us, so that it definitely became habits

1:13:42

and it was just something that we did without thinking.

1:13:44

But at the same time, they didn't

1:13:46

explain as much like why

1:13:48

they were doing it. They're just like you need to know these things.

1:13:50

Like even I was jogging today with no headphones

1:13:54

on, and every time I passed someone, I

1:13:56

made sure I turned my music down, Like why

1:13:58

did I do that? But it's because my parents told me, you know,

1:14:00

like don't cause the scene, don't be loud, things

1:14:02

like that, and it's just something that's in our nature.

1:14:05

And I get now learning about the

1:14:07

world. Why why they did that? Yeah, But

1:14:09

I also, like, you know, as hard as things

1:14:11

have been, like even just thinking about things we didn't

1:14:14

let like sit heavy in our soul. Like I remember

1:14:17

we talked about being born and raised, born

1:14:20

at Tomball Hospital in Texas, Tomball

1:14:23

High School. Not to put them on blast,

1:14:25

but like I was in

1:14:28

a high school in Texas. I

1:14:30

remember I played a volleyball game and I'm the only

1:14:32

you know, black girl on the team. I'm like

1:14:35

six to two, long day, super long,

1:14:37

dangly, super powerful. I was

1:14:39

a boss at volleyball at the time. Right we

1:14:41

went to state, I remember the crowd

1:14:44

was full. I would say ninety nine percent

1:14:46

you know white kids. My team primarily

1:14:49

white kids that you know, we all

1:14:52

got along. But like when I was going to the quote unquote

1:14:54

enemy territorial. Playing against another school,

1:14:57

I was called racial epithets. I was

1:14:59

called things like animal and

1:15:01

ahga, steroids, monkey while

1:15:04

I was playing in a quiet gym, and

1:15:06

I remember my teammates just looked and they

1:15:08

just kept looking at me, like no one

1:15:10

even talked about it, but they were trying to see

1:15:12

how i'd react if I cared, if

1:15:15

I heard. And it's like in those moments,

1:15:17

you forget like how exposed and naked

1:15:19

you feel, and like I just remember not trying

1:15:21

to like well up and cry and show that

1:15:23

I felt something. Right. I

1:15:25

made it through. We won the game, crushed

1:15:28

it, right, But what position

1:15:30

did you play? I was middle blocker? Okay,

1:15:33

yeah, I was middle blocker. So I

1:15:35

remember that, like it was so hard to get through

1:15:37

those moments. I left and I

1:15:40

left knowing that that was just how it

1:15:42

was, Like this is something that can happen when

1:15:44

you are the only black person

1:15:46

in a setting in the South. And

1:15:49

I never held that against it. I just felt

1:15:51

like we're so ignorant at times

1:15:53

to our own history. But now

1:15:55

the beautiful thing is if you're

1:15:57

being ignorant, now you're choosing to be

1:16:00

ignorant. We literally are living in the midst

1:16:02

of two pandemics, you know, COVID

1:16:05

corona and racism,

1:16:07

two pandemics that disproportionately

1:16:09

affect people of color, especially

1:16:12

you know, black people, black women as well.

1:16:15

So now it's like, if you're choosing to ignore

1:16:17

the realities of the world we live in right now,

1:16:20

then I don't you know, that's

1:16:23

that's not the energy we need. We're all

1:16:25

united in a different way, like this young

1:16:27

generation always make fun of them, like z

1:16:30

gen Z, you know, like the

1:16:32

TikToker. I saw the funniest

1:16:34

tweet where they're like, we were worried about y'all when

1:16:36

you were eating tide pods, But

1:16:39

y'all are out here, you know, talking

1:16:41

at talk and walking that walk. I think we have a generation

1:16:43

where it's not just activism, like we

1:16:45

go on social media and like post

1:16:47

these things. It's now like action.

1:16:50

How do we, as you mentioned, carry that over

1:16:53

as one Like right now, I think a

1:16:55

lot of people are shook. They're like, whoa,

1:16:58

I've grown up in this lane, but I see

1:17:00

this one experience and we all know that

1:17:02

is wrong, you know what I mean? How

1:17:05

do we come together and move forward?

1:17:07

I believe in gen Z. Yeah,

1:17:09

same here. This collective consciousness,

1:17:12

though, is so powerful because I think, like what

1:17:14

you'all are saying, educating and learning more. Everyone's

1:17:17

realizing in this age of information, like I have

1:17:19

to learn more or I'm being completely ignorant.

1:17:22

Yeah, but I'm also learning more

1:17:24

too, which is great, Like I'm learning

1:17:26

what I can what I shouldn't accept,

1:17:28

like what in the past I shouldn't have accepted from people,

1:17:31

or what I can still you know, do better

1:17:33

and try to educate people. So it's like

1:17:35

collectively everybody is learning, and

1:17:37

I think it's just such a transformative time. You

1:17:40

are engaging in

1:17:42

your future and your kid's future

1:17:45

differently than you have been as a

1:17:48

girl who's been focused on basketball and med school.

1:17:50

Yeah, because people think I need to create

1:17:52

this what this big organization blah blah.

1:17:55

You don't need to do any of that, Like people already

1:17:57

have it done. Please just go find

1:17:59

it and learn about you and amplify those

1:18:01

voices. And honestly, I think that's

1:18:03

what people are starting to do. I think at first it was

1:18:06

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black people, I know, like it's we're going

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it's been probably pressure on you, especially

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Kate, like what are you gonna say? How

1:18:30

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1:18:38

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right, let's do it. Okay, one word to describe

1:24:26

each other? Oh oh, I was

1:24:28

gonna say, baby, crazy, great?

1:24:30

Perfect? Who's more competitive?

1:24:33

Me? Yeah?

1:24:37

Okay, yeah? Better

1:24:39

grades me? Because

1:24:45

Erica right now is more

1:24:47

competitive. I'm

1:24:50

you know, she's who

1:24:53

has better shoes? Toney

1:24:55

tone? She has more money than me? That's

1:24:59

only just give me a couple of years.

1:25:02

Who wins in a game

1:25:04

of horse unless

1:25:08

we're shooting lamps and she's dunking, Then

1:25:10

I'm all right, No, you can't. You can't do that.

1:25:12

That's oh

1:25:16

my gosh. Who's more

1:25:18

of a homebody? Netflix

1:25:21

and chill, even if it's by myself?

1:25:23

Yeah, me too, love it. Who's

1:25:26

fun Who's funnier? Erica?

1:25:29

She's not funny. She's like got that sarcastic

1:25:32

humor that almost like hurts your feelings. But

1:25:34

she's laughing, so you don't feel threatened. That's

1:25:36

like me too, I love that kind of Yes,

1:25:41

who's better karaoke? Probably

1:25:45

more? We're both tone deaf? Yeah,

1:25:47

we really are mad who's more of the

1:25:49

who's more of the rule follower? Yeah?

1:25:54

Me? Yeah, who's

1:25:57

a better multitasker? Oh

1:25:59

terrible, I'm terrible. I can't do it.

1:26:02

You wanted one thing at a time, one

1:26:05

thing, yes? Who

1:26:07

takes longer to get ready?

1:26:10

Yeah? Probably me. What

1:26:12

about your first celebrity crush?

1:26:15

Oh? I know hers easily.

1:26:17

We just talked about this. Go ahead, it

1:26:20

is Chris Brown. You

1:26:23

can't run it now.

1:26:26

It's like, but

1:26:31

this was before a

1:26:33

long, long time ago. You

1:26:36

know, he's still awesome though.

1:26:38

Music was musically Yeah,

1:26:41

she doesn't know mine. I was too We're

1:26:44

too far apart in age. Who was what

1:26:46

was yours? Nick Jonas? Oh

1:26:48

my god, a very good first

1:26:50

crush. I've been to like four Jonas Brothers

1:26:52

concerts. Did you guys have you guys have posters

1:26:55

when you were kids? Jones Brothers? What

1:26:58

was like? What was some of yourss like memorable

1:27:01

posters? Chris Brown? Little Romeo?

1:27:04

Oh my god, little Romeo. I still

1:27:07

like that's a crush right there. I love I

1:27:09

met him a year or so ago and

1:27:11

I was like, oh, you kind of tall. He's like six feet tall.

1:27:14

You know. For me, I got a little am because

1:27:16

I'm tall. I

1:27:21

have Blake Griffin was my I have Blake

1:27:23

Griffin posters. We kind of all love Blake Griffin.

1:27:26

And then it's kind of weird now because she's like

1:27:28

an analyst and I'm like, yeah, I

1:27:30

didn't have Yeah, yeah,

1:27:33

I know, hey Blake, you

1:27:36

didn't have Yeah. I had a poster of Lionel

1:27:38

Messy. I don't know why, no Messy.

1:27:42

I think I had a Michael Jordan one because

1:27:44

Oliver's girlfriend was in love

1:27:46

with Michael Jordan, which then I was in love with Michael Jordan's.

1:27:51

She kind of brought she kind of brought the love of Michael

1:27:53

Jordan into her hands. Here. I'm still in

1:27:55

love with Michael Jordan's. Yes, same

1:27:58

even and even even watching him as an

1:28:00

older man on Last Dance, I was like,

1:28:02

oh god, yes, I

1:28:06

love them. That. Who would survive?

1:28:08

Who would most likely survive a month in

1:28:11

the wilderness? Oh?

1:28:15

Both would probably would. Yeah,

1:28:18

we both well, actually we either really wouldn't

1:28:20

or we Yeah, there's

1:28:22

no who would you lean on for

1:28:24

survival? You know? Or is it would

1:28:26

be like a team effort. It be

1:28:28

a team effort because we both have our weaknesses.

1:28:31

Yeah, who's

1:28:34

more adventurous. Probably

1:28:37

we have our moods. I don't know, we're

1:28:40

very who waits up more? Probably

1:28:44

me, just because like it's

1:28:47

because her job and her lifestyle is a bit more

1:28:49

adventurous than mine. Yeah. Probably. Is

1:28:52

there anyone that you'd love to meet, you know what I

1:28:54

mean, like a celebrity or an

1:28:56

athlete or someone who you like, man, I wish

1:28:58

I could meet him or her? Hmmm, say

1:29:01

it, I'm thinking,

1:29:04

I mean, of course, Barack Obama.

1:29:08

I'm trying to think for Michelle Obama.

1:29:11

That's like an automatical you go to. Yeah,

1:29:13

I'm trying to think. I

1:29:16

would say I did

1:29:18

freak out when I saw

1:29:20

Viola Davis in the airport

1:29:22

at La X. I

1:29:27

probably want to meet Bad Bunny

1:29:30

the musician. He's a musician. So

1:29:34

the last question is a

1:29:36

two part question, and the

1:29:40

question is is what is it about the other one

1:29:43

that is something that you wish

1:29:46

you could emulate, that you equality

1:29:48

that they have, that you love, that you

1:29:51

wish it was something that you had as well.

1:29:53

And then the other part of that question is something

1:29:55

you'd want to alleviate from your sibling

1:29:58

that you think would be in the best

1:30:00

interest of everything that is good

1:30:02

about them. Okay, emulate,

1:30:05

I'll start. She I

1:30:07

don't know how she's been able to

1:30:09

like focus at such a high level,

1:30:11

like playing basketball, but like also

1:30:14

go into class and doing the

1:30:16

hardest classes. For me, it's like I

1:30:19

put a ball in a basket currently, and I talk

1:30:21

about people that putballs and baskets right, Like

1:30:24

it's so simple and natural. But for

1:30:26

her, like to even choose medical school

1:30:29

focus and not just like I,

1:30:31

learning is so subjective

1:30:34

and to be able to tackle all of those things.

1:30:36

I wish I could have that like zero

1:30:38

in focus and drive, being

1:30:41

the youngest out of us four to

1:30:43

like have three older sisters

1:30:46

and not feel like threatened, and

1:30:48

to not feel like she doesn't belong but instead like

1:30:51

like I just I'm a professional basketball player and

1:30:53

talk about basketball. She's like going to be a doctor

1:30:55

and like hopefully save lives. So she's

1:30:57

been driven and motivated. So I would like to take

1:31:00

some of that focus. Because you heard I

1:31:02

can't multitask. I

1:31:04

would probably say for Chine takeaway taking

1:31:07

emulate some of her like kind of

1:31:10

like universal empathy and like

1:31:12

just compassion for everybody, Like people always

1:31:14

ask ask ask for her, and she'll always give

1:31:16

people one hundred percent back. Like I think

1:31:19

at times I can find myself, you know, people ask me

1:31:21

asking I'm like, hey, you know, hold up, I need a minute.

1:31:23

Like Cheney, it's never that she's always willing

1:31:25

to help and just

1:31:28

just like be there for everybody, regardless of

1:31:30

how busy she is. She'll maybe be like, hey, I need to get

1:31:32

back to you, but she's just always empathetic

1:31:34

to everyone's situation. So I think

1:31:36

that'd be something I would say and

1:31:39

alleviate. Yeah, alleviates

1:31:41

is like such a nice word for this question. Alleviate

1:31:45

it, I would say, alleviate like

1:31:47

growing up, we started playing

1:31:49

basketball the age of ten, and I

1:31:51

went into high school and then went into college

1:31:54

and then got into the pros, and I'm just now

1:31:56

like at the age of you know, twenty six, twenty

1:31:58

seven, now I'm twenty eight, Like top be into

1:32:00

living right, like choosing

1:32:02

to do things on my own for myself.

1:32:05

So if it's alleviate, I would

1:32:07

hope that she can also like

1:32:09

experience life and not just let

1:32:11

it happen and then look back and be like WHOA,

1:32:14

Like I did a lot of great stuff, but like did you do

1:32:16

it? Were you present? Were you in the moment. So

1:32:18

I'm just hoping that she if I

1:32:20

can alleviate anything. It's like the pressure that she

1:32:22

probably feels being the youngest and choosing

1:32:25

a really difficult path and

1:32:28

just to enjoy life because your girls out here,

1:32:30

like you know, twenty eight got Nigerian African

1:32:32

parents like what is your husband? Like what

1:32:34

are you doing? And I was like I'm here, like mom,

1:32:36

but I saw I was in school when I was like, right, I'm

1:32:38

like behind the curve on this ish and why

1:32:42

aren't you married like that? Damn. So

1:32:44

like I want her to have fun and to be young

1:32:46

and to tap into life in a way that

1:32:49

I wasn't. Really I didn't. I chose

1:32:51

not to. I can't think of

1:32:53

anything that heartfelt. But

1:32:56

I would probably say alleviate just injuries.

1:32:58

You know. I hope she's done with injuries. Thank

1:33:01

you. Everyone in our family has been

1:33:03

blessed. Yeah, I have been blessed kind

1:33:05

of with not experiencing like too

1:33:07

many severe injuries. Like yes, there's

1:33:09

been like concussions and like I

1:33:11

think that has been like sick before, but like

1:33:14

she's had legit achilles

1:33:16

injuries, knee injuries that have taken her out

1:33:18

for like a long time, so

1:33:20

you know, that's probably something that I'd want to leave it for the rest

1:33:22

of her professional career. Hopefully appreciate

1:33:24

that. Yeah,

1:33:29

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