0:05

Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is

0:07

Oliver Hudson. We wanted to

0:09

do something that highlighted our relationships

0:11

and what it's like to be siblings. We

0:19

are a sibling raivalry. No,

0:22

no, sibling. You

0:25

don't do that with your mouth revelry.

0:33

That's good. This

0:40

was one of my favorite episodes

0:42

that we've done because there

0:45

was no real connection to them

0:48

in terms of knowing them.

0:50

A lot of the people we've had on our episode we've gotten

0:52

to know beforehand or but

0:55

this particular one, we

0:57

don't really know these guys. We're talking about

0:59

the Property brother Yes, about

1:01

Property Brothers. You just started talking and no one

1:03

knows who the hell we're

1:05

talking about, so except that they downloaded

1:08

it so they know that we're Property

1:11

Brother's episode. So there's that. But

1:14

let me just say I've been such a fan

1:17

of the Property Brothers. I'm a huge

1:19

HGTV. That's

1:22

that is on my television all the time. I

1:24

watch everything Leave It or listed Property

1:26

Brothers, Brother Versus Brother, Chip

1:29

and Joanna. I missed them on HGTV.

1:32

But you know, I'm one of those, so

1:34

this was fun for me. Yeah, this is I've

1:37

never seen an episode

1:39

of any of this stuff. I

1:41

know who they are because they're sort of these

1:44

like tall, handsome men

1:46

who are in the property business,

1:49

but I've never seen a show. They

1:51

though. Were so quick witted

1:54

and so funny and has

1:55

had such amazing energy

1:58

that was so fun. It was really really fun. And

2:00

then Jonathan had to split

2:02

afterwards, but Drew and

2:05

I got to actually take Drew.

2:07

I'm redoing my house and I

2:10

got to walk around the house with Drew and he gave

2:12

me some really good advice and pitched.

2:14

That was kind of a bit of a dream

2:16

come true. I pitched myself for their

2:19

show. Well we both pitched, I

2:21

know, but I feel like I won it. Well,

2:23

of course you won because your kate.

2:26

I mean, why would they choose me? I

2:28

you know, I mean as far as like ratings

2:31

go, but uh, you

2:33

know, I looked they might come around. Their story

2:35

is really interesting. I mean they were sort of

2:37

relentless in their pursuit entrepreneurship

2:40

was it was. It's impressive, very

2:43

very impressive. Literally, they

2:46

must have done everything I

2:49

feel like they have. I mean from

2:52

magician to athlete to acting

2:55

to I mean they're just

2:57

two yeah hangers,

3:00

yeah hangers. We'll get to that. Yeah, we'll

3:02

get to the hangers anyway. It

3:04

was an absolute pleasure. Yep. And they have a podcast.

3:07

Yeah, Drew and his wife have a podcast,

3:09

which is exciting. Yeah, it won't be bigger than ours.

3:11

So you're gonna tacket

3:13

boys with

3:16

them. Oh my god, you just can't

3:19

help yourself. I

3:22

can't wait to do theirs because we get to talk about

3:24

home. It's my favorite thing in the world. And

3:26

then they have a new lifestyle magazine,

3:29

which I think is going to be huge. They've got

3:31

such a big were you in it?

3:33

Yeah? I did it. I did it well. You know, Zoe

3:36

day Chanel is dating Jonathan and

3:39

Zoe called me up and I

3:41

was like, Hey, would you want to do the magazine?

3:43

I'm such a fan. I was like of course.

3:45

I was like, do they want to come to the podcast? And

3:48

they were like, sure you do. The magazine will come to the That's

3:50

how it all, yeah, down. Yeah, we

3:52

did a little swap seas I didn't know that. Where

3:54

was I That's

3:57

kind of insignificant, but

4:01

but but we ended

4:03

up having a great time with them.

4:06

And the lifestyle magazine is

4:08

called Reveal, and it's

4:11

nice for them because they get to really

4:13

explore other

4:15

things that they wouldn't normally get to do on their show,

4:18

and I think they're having a

4:20

really fun time doing it.

4:22

Those boys can't not be successful, and

4:25

the things that they do you can tell just by

4:27

their they're going to will

4:30

it to be successful with whatever it is they

4:32

do. It feels like and they work their asses

4:34

soft. Yeah, they really do. They're good. All

4:36

right, Well, they're great kids. They're great kids.

4:38

What do you mean, they're older than me, but

4:40

for me, they're great kids. But they're

4:43

like your age, they're two years

4:45

younger, so they were great kids. Anyway, these are great,

4:47

two great kids. You're going to enjoy their story.

4:49

Okay, ready, here is Jonathan

4:52

and Drew Scott

4:55

a ka the

4:58

property brothers PEB and

5:01

Jay. Wait, they do

5:03

have a JA Their brother is JD PB

5:05

and Jay they

5:08

must know that. Anyway,

5:12

here they are enjoyed. You

5:20

and I have a lot more in common than you think. We both

5:22

have annoying brothers. Listen, WHOA

5:25

I hope you're talking about JD. This is very

5:27

well, that's the thing that you're older. One's

5:29

going to know who the hell is talking right

5:32

now? By the way, Yeah, I do like

5:34

a like the queen voice. I can talk

5:36

like a British woman. We might have to

5:38

do that will help you know who I am. And Jonathan's how

5:40

we're even going to navigate this. Our mom doesn't

5:42

even know. Our voice are The only way our mom

5:44

can tell us a part on the phone is she says, Jonathan uses

5:46

bigger words. That's true speaking yes,

5:50

And I said, and I said, jar, that's

5:52

what mom said. Drew died a little inside

5:54

when Mom said that, me sad. He

5:57

said, who is the oldest. Who's the oldest?

5:59

Who came out first? I am Drew's four minutes younger.

6:01

Yeah, look at those Wait a minute, Grace, So

6:03

does it even matter? Jonathan came out

6:06

first. But get this, Mom didn't

6:08

even know there was a little Drew.

6:10

You doing your research, That's what I do. So

6:12

when Jonathan, the doctor said that it's

6:15

one big baby. That our heartbeats were in sync

6:17

at that time unless there was an issue. They never did ultrasound,

6:20

and so the doctor was like, yeah, yeah, one big baby, all good.

6:22

And they were born in the thirties, Yeah, exactly,

6:25

back when I was born in the thirties. We

6:27

just use a good skin routine. But Anyway,

6:29

he came out and the doctor's he his

6:32

so baby skulls are kind of soft, so John's head

6:34

was kind of squished a bit. And he comes out and

6:36

everyone's like ugh. And anyway, then they're

6:38

like happy. The doctor's leaving, and the nurse says, I

6:40

think there's another one. And I was brought into this world

6:42

with the words oh shit from my mom. Oh

6:44

my really, but then the

6:46

head and then my squished

6:48

little head, and then now

6:51

I literally have a giant cranium.

6:53

I can't wear hats. It's important. Seventeen.

6:57

This is a little bigger and freakier. You're seven

7:00

in three quarter head size.

7:02

You are the first person because that would be a seven

7:04

and three quarters. Yeah, that's

7:06

enormous. Yeah. I like to think it's because

7:08

of all the brain that I'm holding on to. Its.

7:12

Remember it was quished when he came out, and then all of a sudden,

7:14

it just popped and it got really big. Your

7:16

head size, I think I'm like five and a half.

7:19

I'm just so you have a little peace head.

7:23

And why do you know they were going to hire me on

7:25

Beetlejuice. That was the perfect for casting

7:27

on Beetlejuice, But now I'm a little smaller.

7:30

So the funny thing is Jonnaan's got the big head. My mom

7:32

has a big head. And then I'm just a little smaller

7:34

than them. But then who better

7:36

on the s A T s U. Well

7:38

we're from Canada, so it's different. Who

7:42

did better on the AD? Yes,

7:47

I did better Jonathan. But the interesting

7:49

thing too, so everyone assumes twins are

7:51

you know, identical, Twins are identical but very different.

7:53

Drew also has a micro penis, so there

7:58

is nothing wrong with the I grow penis

8:00

and the record we

8:03

were attached to the penis and Jonathan just needed

8:05

to take the larger share. So it's not my faults.

8:07

My mom made the decision. This is so typical

8:10

of my life because I grew up with all brothers

8:12

and like within five minutes it's always

8:15

penis talktation.

8:17

This is actually real. So everyone

8:19

in my family's a j Jim, Joanne,

8:23

like James, Jonathan and so

8:25

they're all Jays. And then when I was born

8:28

they named me Andrew, and

8:30

so my initials are ass Man.

8:32

I'm like, is there a little is my mom trying to

8:35

like make fun of me? Then I realized Jonathan's name

8:37

is Johnny and Scott and

8:39

his name is Jizz So I just

8:41

realized I thought we were moving away from these jokes.

8:44

Nobody knows jizz ass. I'm

8:47

like, I think we were both the joke. Our parents amazing

8:50

amazing property

8:52

brothers canceled, has

8:56

taken them off the air. You

9:00

guys from the research that I've

9:02

done so here, the dynamic here is usually

9:04

I usually do a lot of the research all

9:07

of our freestyle, so it's kind of I read,

9:09

but it's more interesting for me to learn as

9:12

we go. So you're the Ben Affleck to this

9:14

Matt Damon story. Here, I'll be Ben Affleck.

9:16

I guess. Yeah, that's kind of like

9:18

though I like, I like to prep. I'll prep

9:20

a little bit, and Jonathan likes to wing it and

9:22

I read up on people and he can only

9:24

read pop up books. So it's

9:28

so you guys, from the

9:30

very beginning, I mean, notoriously

9:32

and everything you talk about interviews, your book very

9:35

competitive. Oh yeah, I think,

9:37

and naturally when you share a womb with somebody, you

9:39

are like you're born into this lifelong

9:43

competitive state, hyper competitive state. But the thing

9:45

with us serious, it's not we don't compete to knock each other

9:47

down our whole lives. We've actually kind of competed, pushing

9:49

each other to do better, and I think that's that's

9:51

one thing we love about. We love working together. We always

9:53

have, though some of it isn't even Growing up

9:56

Drew, he had to like, if we're just going

9:58

to the car, he had to be the first one to get to

10:00

the car. And so it's always like

10:02

everything Drew. Drew actually takes it to the

10:04

next level because he takes lessons

10:07

for everything so he can beat you at

10:09

everything. So he takes lessons for golf,

10:12

uh, you know, guitar, ping

10:15

pong, ping pong. I

10:19

don't think I'm weird, guys. You guys are ganging up from me right

10:21

now. I have no listen. Why

10:23

reinforce bad habits when you can learn to do it right.

10:25

Growing up, Jonathan and our best friend Paidro, they

10:27

would beat me at ping pong all the time. So my goal

10:30

is an adult because I have nothing else. All

10:32

that energy was just to be good enough

10:34

to beat them, and now it can be Jonathan pretty easy. Mom's

10:36

whole thing is anytime the tension starts to go,

10:39

Mom would always be like cookies.

10:41

Anyone that she would bake cookies and bring them

10:43

in and interrupt everyone. But she loves to be a

10:45

part of everything we do, like game game nights. She wants

10:47

to be right in there. So my mom's our mom,

10:50

not my mom, and she's seventy five are our dad's

10:52

eighty five, and but they like to play the games,

10:54

and my mom is not the best. And have

10:56

you ever played code names? Okay,

10:59

well we're gonna play this one day called

11:01

Couples. Youku is

11:04

like you fill in the numbers in a certain way and whatever, and very

11:07

game, but I never pronounced it right. Yeah, everyone called

11:09

this saku and all these My

11:11

mom thought that she comes to play it, and I'm very

11:13

competitive with that and I'm very good. I'm a math brain. And

11:15

so she comes in and I'm it took me about, you

11:17

know, five to ten minutes to finish, and

11:19

she finished it in three minutes. I'm like, oh my god, Mom's

11:22

like a genius. But she thought the game was

11:24

just filling in random numbers everywhere, and she does, and

11:26

then she thought she was really good at it. She's

11:28

never good at the games, but she thinks she is. But

11:33

let's go back for a second now, because where

11:35

first of all, where were you guys? Born?

11:37

Born just outside of well Born in Vancouver,

11:39

raised just outside of Vancouver, right on the edge of

11:41

the forestry. We grew up on a horse farms, Canadian

11:44

right right ranch. You guys

11:46

are so low. That is the most beautiful.

11:48

I know it rains a lot, but it's just gorgeous.

11:51

It is. You have the mountains and you have lakes,

11:53

and you have the ocean right there. It's absolutely

11:55

stunning. And then we also lived in

11:58

Alberta, and so you have BAMF and Louise.

12:00

I worked at Lake Louise and BAMF

12:02

and I learned an interesting fact about

12:05

BAMF that it has the most

12:08

cases of STDs. I knew per

12:11

capita. Yeah. Yeah, well it's because you think about

12:13

it in in the world. Everyone comes together

12:16

to go there, including Oliver, and

12:18

a lot of things happen. Yeah, that's

12:20

actually their tourism campaign. It is.

12:23

Yeah, come get an STD. I'm

12:25

going to get a phone call now from the mayor of Van Yeah,

12:28

very close. You guys are definitely

12:30

getting booted. Okay,

12:37

So but then you had an older you have an older brother.

12:40

Actually, can I tell you one thing about that? Though? The whole

12:42

a lot of sex happening in BAMF. Things. So I

12:44

graduated early from high school, went high school where you wor

12:46

at your own pace, and I was good at that. Graduate

12:49

early worked in BAMFF. I got

12:51

an STD. Well we'll get

12:53

there, Okay, wait for the So

12:57

I heard when I was younger that girls love

12:59

music, and so I'm like, I'm

13:01

gonna mission. So I

13:03

learned the bagpipes. I

13:06

didn't realize that's not the instrument. Anybody

13:08

was interested, but so weird.

13:11

When I was living in BAMF, I would go up

13:13

into the hill and I would play the bag

13:15

I practiced the bagpipes. It was like this one pardon

13:18

you not. Women would just horny moose

13:21

would come elk like. They would come

13:24

and they would listen to the bagpipes and they I

13:26

think I thought it was some

13:28

form. Never it was because the bagpipe

13:31

actually does sound like a count

13:33

or you were just really bad. Oh

13:36

yeah he was. He was pretty bad. But

13:38

but wait, did you actually hike with

13:41

the bagpipe? No, you're up in

13:43

the mountains. That is adorable

13:45

hotels on the edge of the mountain and also completely

13:48

insane. We're Scottish, I

13:50

mean, what else you saw it if

13:52

that was really what you thought women in

13:55

terms of what I started playing them when I

13:57

was like twelve years old. Thirteen years no.

13:59

But also so he misunderstood that because committed

14:01

to the bat. Jonathan is a nerdy magician as

14:03

well. So when he realized he got it wrong with musician,

14:06

then he thought that the saying was women

14:08

love a magician and he and then he also was very

14:10

lonely for many years. I will admit I got a

14:12

lot more attention from the ladies from the magic

14:14

than I do. How are

14:16

you at magic? I won awards that you

14:18

were sick. I was reading up. I think that is

14:20

the research that I did. Yeah, he was a nationally.

14:23

He was ranked all these things

14:25

of like you know, New York Times

14:28

on your Wikipedia, he's

14:30

a magic man. At sixteen, he

14:32

was third ranked third best in North America on the

14:34

competitive Magic Circus circuit.

14:36

And yeah, that's like this underground nerdy club.

14:39

But anyway, he was pretty good. And the funny

14:41

thing is he has a twin and he never used me in

14:43

his tricks. I think you need to have a

14:45

resurgence. You had to come back out and do a

14:48

big like David Copperfield, routine.

14:50

You went to the same

14:52

high school. Yes, we did for the most

14:54

part. There was one year we didn't. So

14:56

so we grew up just outside of Vancouver in a small

14:58

town, Maple Ridge. And then at the

15:01

same time, while we were out there, and then at the time

15:03

it was just a small house that we were when we

15:05

were born, that we lived in and our parents got this hobby

15:07

farm in Maple Ridge, so we had some acreage.

15:09

And then at the same time every summer we would go

15:12

out to Alberta. It's a small like yeah,

15:14

so you're not you're not doing these cattle. It's

15:17

just small to do, Like it's to do

15:19

hobbies. You look like you know what you're doing with horses,

15:21

but you're not really having to do a lot of the work. Got so

15:23

it's it's it's a farm for lazy

15:25

people. For hot it's like for hobbies, like, oh, it's just

15:28

just a hobby. These horses are just hobbies. Yeah,

15:30

But so that's where it started. Well,

15:35

I don't think the aust more to the hobby thing,

15:37

by the way, understood like right when

15:39

he said it did

15:42

it's because he doesn't have any hobbies. His hobby is going

15:44

to bamf and coming home with something.

15:47

So then, but every year though, our parents dream

15:49

was to have a ranch in Alberta. They

15:51

met albert up in baff fifty plus

15:54

years ago and they, you know, they lived their life.

15:56

They moved to the West Coast, had kids, and they always wanted to

15:58

go back and have a place. So we ended up they got a

16:00

a quarter section out there, one hundred and sixty acres,

16:03

and they end up building the family ranch out there. So

16:05

when that happened, my dad went out to build the ranch

16:07

the house. Jonathan went with him, and so

16:09

for one year of high school we were split. I was on the

16:11

West Coast with my older brother my mom, and Jonathan

16:14

was out with my dad out there. And it was the weirdest

16:16

thing for us to be separated because we were

16:18

we always did everything together. Were you

16:20

in a low level depression? Did

16:23

you know that things were

16:25

going on with Jonathan or

16:27

vice versa. We did actually have one really

16:29

weird happenstance,

16:32

and it was so the school I went

16:34

to was like a small town rural

16:36

school, like the high school

16:38

that we were in. NBC was this like new age

16:41

work at your own pace a lot more like college where

16:43

you can drive your schedule if you want, if you're

16:45

good that way. I thrived

16:47

at that. But when I went back to that rural school,

16:49

it was literally sit like in a prison

16:51

cell classroom and be droned at by a teacher.

16:54

It was awful. I hated it. My creativity was

16:56

squashed, and so I did not enjoy

16:58

that at all. But I remember, remember one time

17:01

I woke up one morning

17:03

and I, you know, hadn't

17:05

talked to Drew in a couple of days or whatever, and my

17:08

mom and dad is talking to them that afternoon. But I woke up with

17:10

a killer sor name. I don't know. I

17:12

thought I slept on it. Funny. Something was weird. I don't know what

17:14

that afternoon when I was talking to my parents. So like, that's so

17:16

weird because Drew that morning had

17:19

blown his knee out in a basketball game, and

17:21

it just total coincidence,

17:23

twin thing. Who knows what it is? Full quantum

17:26

ameshment, that's what it is. You guys

17:28

are literally vibrating

17:30

at exactly the same frequency.

17:33

Well there is in that realm. I mean there,

17:35

there's definitely. I think there's some sort of a connection. And we

17:37

did everything together We started our first business together

17:40

at seven years old, and we were always

17:42

a little go getters, and not having your sidekick

17:44

in the same city as you is definitely a weird vibe. Will

17:46

they say forty percent of twins invent

17:48

their own language. We have little

17:50

babies, our parents would pay their older brother

17:53

like a nickel or acorder to translate what

17:55

we were saying to each other. I don't think he had a

17:57

clue what we were saying, but he'd be like, Oh, they're talking about

18:00

taking their toy or whatever. What's

18:02

the language? And Game of Thrones DRACONI?

18:04

What is it called? A

18:10

lot less violent sounding than that. It was

18:12

just but what was it? It was when we were

18:14

babies, and it's apparently it's quite common with twin babies.

18:16

They just have their own language. And so there's

18:18

even there's a hilarious video online if if you google

18:21

twin twin talk, it's these two babies standing in

18:23

front of a fridge and they're like,

18:27

full on conversation. You have no idea they're

18:29

not speaking any language that we are aware of. When

18:31

you think about that, you spend the

18:34

first moments of your life in this safe

18:36

little haven together literally

18:39

intertwined, and then you come out

18:41

into the world and you're thrust

18:43

to be separate, literally separate

18:46

entities. You don't feel that way when you're in the room. You

18:48

know, you really are interconnected

18:50

like that. No one if there are any twins who just hate

18:52

each other. Growing up, we had

18:54

friends and were the two brothers were friends with them

18:57

twins, but they did not talk. So

18:59

the only time they wo ever get together was if they

19:01

got together with us. But they didn't talk, and that

19:03

was to me, that was a really sad thing. I think siblings

19:05

in general, siblings that don't talk, you know, it's it's

19:07

sad, but especially twins. There's

19:10

this deeper connection that we have.

19:12

And I sat on his head in the womb for nine

19:14

months, so you know, you get a connection with someone when you do that, well

19:16

I would we

19:18

did at one point in high school. Yeah, And they looked

19:21

identical, Like Johnathan would walk up and be like, wait,

19:23

am I with you? Wait a minute? They

19:25

were They were super so juring

19:27

I biologically or identical twins. But you can tell

19:30

us apart, like you can tell who's these

19:32

girls were spinning images

19:34

of each other. You could not and it actually got to a point

19:36

where it was just a little too weird, and

19:38

they were even named it was Jen

19:41

and j because it was high school

19:43

weird. So were you guys.

19:45

Were you guys sexually active at this point?

19:48

And I definitely was not. It was like we weren't

19:50

dating, but I'd like to do that kissing

19:52

thing one day. We did talk. So we had a science teacher

19:54

who was like, wouldn't it be interesting to see if your kids

19:56

looked like each other? If you know, because

19:58

it's I. That's a fast but no, that's

20:01

me. That is so weird. Actually

20:04

imagine an experiment. Yeah, I mean we

20:06

should drew his wife and film might not

20:08

be too thrilled with it, but it's okay. Yeah,

20:10

it's for science and it's for h G TV.

20:13

Johny got into his like manly groove at a younger

20:15

age than me, so him and Pedro are best friend

20:17

like they would. We started clubbing at sixteen

20:19

in Canada where we lived. It was nineteen

20:22

was the age, but we were tall and somebody assumed we were of

20:24

age. And our friend Pedro, he was muscular

20:26

and hairy, so people assumed he was of age, and

20:29

so they would hit the club and they were always like

20:31

you know, sort of numbers game like sup slap

20:33

slap, and they would just kind of like talk to everybody.

20:35

I was too nervous and I was I felt

20:37

like embarrassed to try and hit on girls. So we were

20:40

very different in high school, in that realm where he was very

20:42

comfortable, I'll

20:45

point it, he was the most

20:47

awkward man around girls of

20:49

all. It was like watching a Ben Stiller character.

20:51

It was painfully awkward.

20:54

So drew being because his nickname

20:56

was the Robot growing up. He's the robot because everything

20:59

just has to make sense to way it is. And so he had

21:02

he analyzed why he was so bad and

21:04

uncomfortable around girls, and he read this book and

21:06

everything, and so he started challenging himself

21:09

every day to talk to one new stranger. Bubble. I

21:11

didn't want to be the foty year old boy. But then he went

21:13

completely the opposite way, and we're like, dude,

21:16

you're a douchebag, like stop it, like you're now

21:18

you're too confident. And then he would We called

21:20

him the coach because then he'd coach us when

21:22

nobody wanted his help. Listen, our

21:25

friends. We had friends that

21:27

were very awkward and they enjoyed you maybe

21:29

were confident. They weren't and they wanted a little

21:31

bit of help. But there was a shift. I was not a

21:33

dude. Hold on, let me ask a question about that. Let me

21:35

ask a question. You guys were raised by the same

21:37

people. You are identical twins.

21:40

Why or in your in

21:43

your estimation, why do you think that there's

21:45

a person? Oh, I took more nutrients in the

21:47

womb. Clearly no, Drew needed No. Jonathan

21:50

first out, No, that does that matter? No, that

21:52

didn't matter. What it was. Jonathan got into

21:54

his nerdy magic thing. I got into sports, so I was

21:57

always like playing every sport out there, and I was obsessed.

21:59

Jonathan got into this idea of theatrics

22:01

and being a magician. And he'll

22:03

deny this, but at a young age, here

22:06

he is, you know, he was doing magic. We start as clowns,

22:08

both of us, and then he went more into magic. He started

22:10

getting an ego because he's getting a lot

22:12

of information. Happenings are clown We

22:14

were clowns. Guy, were crazy. We should be

22:16

like ninety years old.

22:19

How many we're not even to like a

22:21

college yet. I still want to talk about

22:24

their childhood. We want to know more

22:26

about this hobby farm things, hobby

22:28

fun guys, guys,

22:30

anyone listening a hobby farn No.

22:34

But I'm interested, honestly in the older

22:37

brother and what that relationship was

22:39

like, because you guys are so connected

22:42

and now he's the older one sort of saying, oh fuck, I guess

22:44

I'm an only child. As kids, he

22:46

couldn't stand us. He could not

22:49

stand clearly. I

22:51

mean, you guys were like we we

22:53

like hop skip and a jump, Oh

22:55

yeah, yeah moving. I feel

22:58

like they they should take over podcast

23:01

and that's be the host. Your producers

23:03

actually already asked that. They said that I'd make

23:05

a good allie. But

23:08

so what was that like though? Growing up? For JD,

23:10

he's two years older. He's he's

23:12

more of the quiet one. He's sort of contemplative,

23:15

and you know, he's very creative.

23:17

He was a great writer as well when we were younger. He's always

23:19

creating stories. But the thing is, Jonathan and I were high energy,

23:21

and our dad at a young age, when we were a young age,

23:23

he got a camcorder and so he had

23:26

that at the house and Jonathan would be taken every

23:28

second we could get to create little like skits and sketches,

23:30

we put on plays for the family. We were always

23:33

trying to get in front of the camera. In fact, we have a video

23:35

of Jonathan and me I think we were like eight years old

23:38

and they were panning across run a pack trip

23:40

up in the mountains with the horses and it was

23:42

a steak a steak ride and they're panning across

23:44

showing all the guests and everybody there there. They see JD,

23:46

they see Jonathan and me and we're talking, trying to think

23:49

of something to say, and we found a bag of chips, and so we're literally

23:51

the chips and chips and they're talk about the chips and our voice

23:53

are super high, and then pan from us over to JD and

23:55

Jonathan literally you just hear his voice. Go get

23:58

that camera back on me. That

24:01

was us all through our child We were like demon

24:03

Chuck children. I lived that. Yeah,

24:06

Kate, oh yeah. It's a very hard place

24:09

to be for our older brother,

24:11

in the sense that Drew and I have done every little

24:13

business together, all of these things, and we have individually

24:15

worked with JD on different projects over the years, but

24:18

it would be a hard thing to be that other person

24:21

who's not a part of the twin dynamic. Well

24:23

growing up, I mean, we include him with our businesses

24:25

and our shows, and we have him guest star and he's had his own

24:27

shows and whatnot, so you know, he keeps more

24:29

than busy. But as kids, though, we were

24:32

just so high energie, we never thought about

24:34

how this could be tough for him or how

24:36

annoying we were to him. So he just distanced

24:38

himself when we were younger. But when we matured a little bit grade

24:41

ten eleven, we started to be a bit

24:43

more mature. Then we started hanging out in the same

24:45

groups. And one how much older is he three? Two

24:47

years old? Two years well then than you guys are probably

24:49

really tight now, oh yeah, we're definitely. He was

24:52

just here two days ago hanging

24:54

out and actually get married as well. His wife

24:57

is a hair makeup artist and she

24:59

works with us on our shows to such, also traveled

25:01

all in the family. That's fine, but he's also I

25:03

mean, he's he's the quieter one. We were always the outgoing

25:05

ones, but he was always very quirky, and he's

25:08

the like the prank king. He was always pranking, even his

25:10

wedding just they got me around on Halloween

25:12

and it was a themed wedding. Everyone had to come, all one

25:14

hundred and seventy people had to come dressed up as

25:17

a movie character and so no cheaping

25:19

out on costumes. So he's he's very quirky

25:22

and fun and in his own way, was

25:25

the most fun. So you guys then

25:28

went from high school, you

25:30

left, You ended up at the same college,

25:33

right for a little while, for a little bit. Yeah. We actually

25:35

went to the University of Calgary first, and

25:37

so I was in kinesiology study the body. I wanted

25:40

to be a basketball coach, but in Canada,

25:42

at the high school level, you don't get paid to coach.

25:45

You have to do out of the kindness of your heart. And I'm like, how the hell am

25:47

I supposed to survive? So I thought, if I was a phys

25:49

ed teacher, it's like I'm being paid to coach. So I

25:51

did that with my minor in math. Jonathan came in

25:54

for business in theater and then he

25:56

after that first year at the university,

25:59

he didn't continue. He went into other stuff.

26:02

He went back to school for construction and

26:04

design, and I continued in school while we were

26:06

investing in real estate. Because we got into real estate as a hobby,

26:08

another hobby, hobby, just out of high

26:10

school. This sounds like the beginning

26:13

of your life at the hobby farm, sort of instilled

26:16

lots of different watch it, you know what, it's

26:18

funny at the hobby farm. But

26:20

when we were kids. So we start our first business at seven

26:23

years old. And a lot of people think when you say business, it's like lemonade.

26:25

Sam, We're like, no, Jonathan and I were hardcore. We

26:27

tried to research a little bit what we could do to make more

26:29

money. We were at this arts and craft sale

26:31

and we saw these decorative hangars, their coat

26:34

hangers that were wrapped with nylon with a little rosette.

26:36

And Jonathan are like, we could do that,

26:38

and so we started making them. We sold them to

26:40

friends and family. Then we started to try and market ourselves

26:43

a little more. And this is not with any influence from our parents.

26:45

This was just us. We found a woman who

26:47

had a chain of American paraphernalia stores in

26:49

Japan. She started buying them from us by the

26:51

thousands. So here we are at seven years old, making

26:54

thousands of dollars making these hangers. Wow.

26:56

We hired on friends to help us make them, and

26:58

our mom would help with the rosette. So we were

27:00

So, you guys just love money,

27:03

entrepreneurs. Well, the thing that drove

27:05

us is our parents said to us when we were young,

27:07

if we wanted something, they're not just going to buy

27:09

it, right, we have to earn it. So I think it

27:11

was the drive to make sure to go after something

27:14

we really wanted, we need money to get

27:16

it. And exactly, I mean, I was entrepreneurial

27:18

myself. The problem with me is I sold

27:21

fake IDs. I grew weed

27:23

and I would create these like Gotcha games.

27:26

You know that movie Gotcha where you're sort of you're

27:28

paired up with two different people and

27:30

it's now you have to sort of shoot them

27:32

and it's a bit of a war of sorts.

27:35

I created this whole game at my school. Everyone

27:37

played paid twenty bucks to enter. I had thousands

27:39

of dollars in my hand.

27:42

After three weeks, the game just fizzled out

27:44

and I was left with all this money. Is

27:46

a scam artist. So did

27:48

you guys both graduate? We graduated. Jonathan

27:51

actually graduated early as well, high

27:53

school. College. I didn't say college. No college.

27:55

I did one year at the University

27:57

of Calgary, and then I went back and did

28:00

certificate program for construction and then separate

28:03

for design. I did four years of college,

28:05

but I never finished my kinesiology degree

28:07

because while I was doing that, we were doing our real

28:09

estate. At the same time. When we were

28:11

just at the tail end of high school, Jonathan I started

28:13

thinking what can we do to make more

28:15

money. He wanted to be a magician. I wanted to be an actor

28:18

and director, and we didn't want to be struggling artists.

28:20

So we thought, you know, real estate is a great way to make money.

28:22

The market was booming where our parents' ranch

28:24

was. We were still in Vancouver, but our parents ranch in Calvary.

28:26

Calvary was the hottest market in all of Canada. So

28:29

we thought, why don't we go to the University of Calgary. We'll

28:31

go to school, so we're still making our parents

28:33

happy getting education, but at the same

28:35

time, let's start investing in this real estate thing.

28:37

And at the time, you could get into real estate without

28:40

qualifying for mortgage. I could assume your mortgage,

28:43

and so Jonathan and I found somebody was willing to let us

28:45

assume their mortgage and do a top

28:47

up. So basically out of pocket, were two hundred and fifty

28:49

dollars on a two hundred thousand dollars house. That's

28:51

our first one. We got into, started selling, started

28:53

flipping, and then I ended up not finishing

28:55

my degree. Because we love a lot of people company. They

28:57

have sort of a tunnel vision view of how you buy real estate.

29:00

So like we actually read every book we could,

29:02

bought these infommercials and everything, and we realized,

29:04

yeah, you don't have to have like a twenty

29:06

five percent down payment, and at that time there

29:08

were all kinds of programs that could get into it. So that

29:10

was our very first house eighteen years old. Well you also

29:12

had I mean just for people

29:15

out there who think that this is something to

29:17

do, but you also had vision for where

29:19

you were probably buying and what you were going

29:21

to be doing with it. Jonathan and I soaked up every

29:23

bit of information we even we you know, late

29:26

night infomercials were like make a Million in real Estate.

29:28

Yeah, we ordered all of those, and

29:30

our whole plan was we would order them, you had like ninety

29:32

days to return and we would just photocopy

29:34

all of the pages and then return it and not have to pay

29:36

for it. But anyway, yeah, so we were always

29:38

go get we would research and research, and we would

29:41

go all out. We never I think that's some of our parents instilled

29:43

in us at a young age. They really made us

29:45

feel if if we were passionate about something, they would

29:47

support us through and through. But we had to give

29:49

it a one hundred and ten percent. We couldn't just go part

29:51

way into it, and so we really did. And having somebody

29:54

that you can trust as your sidekick and the two

29:57

of you can push it made it a lot easier.

29:59

I think a lot of friends of ours that have, you

30:01

know, they've just been a only child, or

30:03

they're trying to tackle something on their own. It's harder when

30:05

you don't have that support net. So when you're working

30:07

together, especially when you're younger. I'm

30:10

sure you guys have a different kind of groove now,

30:12

but when you were younger, did you fight?

30:14

Were there ever moments where you just not?

30:17

Really? So we've had a no bullshit

30:19

policy our entire working relationship.

30:22

If there's something that's bugging us, get

30:24

it out now while it's small, because inevitably

30:26

those things will turn into something bigger than they need

30:28

to be. And so when people say that family can't

30:31

work together, you know we haven't had that

30:33

problem because we hash that

30:35

step out. We also recognize each other's strengths

30:37

and weaknesses, and we naturally divide

30:39

and conquer whatever task is. Let me tell you

30:41

the other side of the truth, though. So we

30:43

have had I think three fights

30:46

in our sin childhood, mainly as

30:48

kids or teenagers. But the difference

30:50

is Jonathan never had a problem punching

30:53

me or hitting me. I never hit

30:55

him. I would not do it. So he would come

30:57

along and he would just like droll me one

30:59

in the side if he was mad or something like that. And so the

31:01

final one that we had it was actually I think when

31:03

we're about eighteen or nineteen. Since then we've already

31:05

nobs policy has worked. But he

31:08

was just getting under my skin and he was saying things to annoy

31:10

me, and he wasn't answering a question that I had. And I was

31:12

driving and he was in the passenger seat, and

31:15

just to stick it to me, we pull into the back alley and I'm

31:17

about to pull into the garage. He leans over like,

31:19

how you're the innocent angel? I mean, is an angel?

31:21

I did nothing wrong? I was as

31:24

praises. Anyway, he reaches over and

31:26

he takes the key out of the ignition, so

31:28

I'm still moving in the car. I don't actually even know how

31:31

that happened, because he's not supposed to. He pulled the key out

31:33

of the ignition, he threw the keys an old

31:35

shit and he threw the keys

31:37

down the alleyway and then he's

31:39

like, deal with that. And then he gets out, and so I

31:41

ran after him so mad, and he's at the

31:43

back door of the house and he's just opening the screen

31:45

door and he's like, don't you dare And he

31:48

ran over like he was gonna clock me in the face

31:50

and like, don't you I had never hit him before, and I think

31:52

he thought this was the time. And he opens the screen door

31:54

and he like clenched his teeth and he's like, dr he's ready

31:56

for like a hit, and he clenched his t's so hard he

31:58

broke his tooth nfl out and so

32:00

I just looked at that. I'm like, you did that to yourself,

32:03

And I walked inside with a smile, totally beat

32:05

the shit out of myself. That's fun.

32:07

That's amazing. So that was it. Yeah, for

32:10

that, Like never arguments

32:13

or debates on things, but what we have come

32:15

to realize, which I don't know how you guys deal through

32:18

conflict like that. But at the end of the

32:20

day, we know we're both good people.

32:22

We love each other, we know whatever we run

32:24

multiple businesses together, we know we were

32:26

both looking for the best thing to happen

32:29

for our business and growth. So I

32:31

can't shut down his ideas. He's got good ideas.

32:33

Jonathan always has great ideas. It's just that

32:35

sometimes together we can come up with a better Right now, let

32:37

me ask you a question. Do you think stay in your lanes

32:40

though when you're doing this stuff, like do you

32:42

That's one that's a big thing that a lot of people most

32:45

say to us. But the thing is, people from our

32:47

shows, people think our lanes are Jonathan

32:49

is the construction guy. I am the suit

32:51

wheeling and dealing guy. But in reality,

32:54

Jonathan was a broker for our real estate company, and

32:57

we both did the construction right from the I'm not a licensed

32:59

contractor. He went to school for that, but we both

33:01

did the construction design right from the mid

33:03

What you're actually peeling back is this

33:05

is the subject of the most

33:07

recent fight we've ever had, and

33:10

so this is it. Like if you go back like a year or so something

33:12

like that. Drew hates

33:15

it, hates it when people walk up

33:17

and like it's the brother that doesn't do nothing.

33:20

Ye, But so

33:22

Jonathan I hate that too. Oh

33:24

it's it's it's annoying. But I mean again, we

33:26

were delineating our roles like that. We didn't want

33:28

it to be a twin gimmick for property brothers, as much as

33:31

we each had our own role, but they also didn't want us both

33:33

being the construction person, both being the real estate

33:35

person. Originally, actually I don't think we've

33:37

ever told anybody this in interviews, but Jonathan

33:40

was cast as the real estate guy. Originally I was cast

33:42

as the construction guy for the show Wow

33:44

and so in the beginning because they thought I looked more

33:46

brawny at the time, and he had looked like the suit

33:49

guy. And I was a broker for our company, but I

33:51

also was the license contract

33:53

and so when they found out he wasn't licensed, like, oh, this could

33:55

go badly, which yeah, like so we

33:57

went into our natural roles of what our cops. But

34:01

but as we would go forward, I always had to find Jonathan

34:03

is like he would have his little ego thing where we do

34:06

lectures from time to time. So we'll be in front of a crowd

34:08

of you know, ten twenty thousand people just

34:10

talking about home, and Jonathan walk

34:12

out and be like, let me just double check out there

34:15

between Drew and me, who likes

34:17

Drew the most? And then they'd be like, one, dude's

34:19

like you, Drew, And then it was like who

34:22

likes me? And the whole audience of women

34:24

are like, have my baby and anyway,

34:27

Well, I can definitely say I've never made that obnoxious

34:29

face that he made when he was doing or

34:31

that voice. Yeah, I don't know that that's my

34:33

voice. Well, I think that this is

34:36

like, I think that's

34:38

a very sibling type of Do you guys ever

34:40

get sick of being twins? No?

34:43

No, no, I mean like just you

34:44

know, well

34:47

it's a good one because how much do

34:49

they have do you guys have to play into

34:51

that dynamic that is real that,

34:53

Yeah, your identity

34:56

is wrapped up in the fact that you

34:58

are identical twins. It is interesting

35:00

that you'll get so you'll get people who will want to do some gimmicky

35:02

things when and most of the TV shows

35:04

and what people know us for, they know proper ones. They

35:07

know us together, but then

35:09

when there's something that takes one of

35:11

us in our own direction, Drew and his wife's podcast,

35:13

for example, like that's something that they're doing.

35:15

And so the funny thing is the first reaction is

35:18

where's Jonathan? Everyone always at or

35:20

if someone sees me, you know, I was all over

35:22

the country filming a documentary on renewable

35:25

energy and the secret war that's been waged against

35:27

solar companies, and I was in all over

35:29

the country. The first thing everyone always said to

35:31

me is like they'd like look past me, like where's your

35:34

brother? Where's Drew? And a funny thing with that, we're

35:36

not attacked, right, Yeah, we have our own passion,

35:38

like the like the dog feature, Well, we're

35:40

both producing that. It's just he was the on screen

35:42

and for the podcast, we're producing this, but

35:44

it's Linda and me, and so everyone

35:47

thinks that we're connected to the hip. And the thing

35:49

I will say that's funny is like sometimes at the airport

35:51

is where a lot of people will kind of stop us, and

35:53

the first thing everyone says is where's your brother. I'm

35:56

like, I'm my own person, but he's just ten

35:58

feet behind me. He's right there, he'll be right here. You guys

36:00

purposely try to look different haircut we

36:02

do. Yeah, So, growing up as kids, our parents

36:04

stress us in the same clothes but different

36:06

colors. So Jonathan only got blue and

36:09

I literally got every other color. I am

36:11

the more sails anyway, but

36:13

no, so I had yellow, brown,

36:15

orange, pink, red, whatever. It was like, they

36:17

put me in all different colors. And then as adults

36:19

so too, like property brothers. Right when we first

36:22

got cast for the show, we had the same

36:24

hairs a little bit longer, and we purposely

36:26

I cut my hair because I always would change my hair. I didn't

36:28

want it to be just a twin gimmick. I think

36:30

the show wouldn't have lasted this ten years if

36:33

it was more twin gimmicky. And to sort of

36:35

give us a different look too, you like, like Drew's

36:37

got his dark beard, My beard is zoey,

36:40

and so we have our different right.

36:44

No, but the whole thing again, we wanted we were

36:46

our own people. We want to have our own looks.

36:48

And the one thing, like everybody thinks that Jonathan

36:51

like he sleeps in plaid, Like everyone thinks his

36:54

only wardrobe is plaid. Oh mind, you were in plaid today, but

36:56

anyway, but he always gets defense Valley. He's like, I

36:58

have more plaid is only ten acent of my wardrobe

37:01

solid? So many different voices, that's

37:04

another voice. How

37:06

many voices all

37:08

of a sudden, like a British royalty when

37:11

I'm a dick and I have a British accent. So

37:14

okay, So you guys,

37:17

you flip your first house, you

37:19

then realize you have a knack for it.

37:21

I'm assuming did you sell it right away? We

37:24

have lived for a year. Yeah. Well, actually the very

37:26

very first house we did, we didn't even own it.

37:29

It was just as we're getting going

37:31

to college. A friend of ours was in this like

37:33

rental long term rental place and

37:35

they were kind of squatting on a lease that they the

37:38

least had never been updated for like ten years,

37:40

so like a hundred students have come

37:42

and gone over the years, renting room to room.

37:45

So they're like, do you want to take it over? It was right

37:47

across from from the University of Calgary.

37:49

It had like what five rooms in it, and

37:52

five rooms and the price was something

37:55

ridiculously low, like sixteen hundred dollars

37:57

or lew No, it was nine hundred bucks is

37:59

what they were for which it should have been way more. And

38:01

so we went in there. We took out like eighteen

38:04

truckloads of garbage, like just students crap that they'd

38:06

left over the years. We cleaned the whole place out.

38:08

We put two more bedrooms in the basement. We lived

38:11

there rent free for almost like the

38:13

first full semester and a half, and then

38:15

the money we made off of that, we actually used that

38:17

for our down payment. I mean, we only need two hunred and fifty

38:19

bucks. But on the new house, that house

38:22

we held for a year, we did a very basic renovation

38:24

to it, and then we turned around and sold it a year

38:26

later for a fifty thousand dollars profit. And that's where we started

38:29

to realize that's just see do something in this

38:31

and the way we used to assume somebody's

38:33

mortgage and take it over without qualifying, you can't do that

38:35

anymore. That was a different time back then, but it

38:38

helped us get into we got to the point

38:40

where we were basically flipping house every i'd

38:42

say two to three months, and then we got into doing

38:44

two at a time and three, and then we got

38:46

into some more hold properties and it was just a slowgo so

38:48

over ten years, I mean our original passions.

38:51

The reason for doing it was for me to become an actor and

38:53

director and Jonathan to do his magic. But then

38:55

ten years went by and the only thing I had done was I

38:57

was like a basketball player in a Toyota commercial.

39:00

That was the only sounded like I miss

39:02

what my passion was. So did you put

39:04

like a pitch together and then go to HG

39:07

TV or we had So Drew was this

39:09

when we're talking about strengths and weaknesses. So one of Drew's

39:12

strengths is like, if we walk into a room,

39:14

Drew will go and introduce himself to every

39:16

single table and every single person and know

39:19

who they are and figure out this architecture of great

39:21

person to keep in cond oft called charisma. I ride

39:25

into the room on my little red tricycle and

39:27

my shorty short shorts, and I tell everybody who

39:29

I am. I'm

39:31

the guy that sits in the corner and if someone comes to me. I

39:33

love conversation, I love learning about people, but I would

39:36

rather be I'm not that guy.

39:38

And so Drew had stayed in touch with all these

39:40

people in TV and film business because we were actors as

39:42

kids too. We had done a bunch of commercials and small

39:45

movies of the week and stuff like that. You may have heard

39:47

of it. I was the flint flong guy

39:49

in the football commercial

39:52

in Canada Super Bowl. You may have heard

39:54

break I'm holding back, I'm

39:56

holding back. But we It

39:58

was through that that Drew

40:01

got approached by a producer who said, hey,

40:04

no, actually no, Drew got cast in a show I had.

40:06

Originally, I decided I miss going.

40:09

I want to go after my passion and we had, we had grown the

40:11

successful real estate company. So I went back to Vancouver,

40:13

which was the bustling film industry and TV

40:15

industry in Canada, and I thought, I want to start

40:17

auditioning again. I started getting put out though as a host,

40:20

as a realistic expert instead of as an actor,

40:22

and at first time like this lame, I want to be an

40:24

action star. I know Karate

40:26

and I should be in every Steven Sigall

40:28

movie. And then I still

40:31

believe that for you, I want that, I do. I

40:33

will be his, but no other action star, only

40:35

Stevenson anyway. But then

40:37

John I started talking about we're like well as a host, We're good

40:39

on our feet, we had done comedy when we were

40:41

younger. We did sketch him prof stand up and we're like, okay,

40:44

we're good on our feet. Maybe as a host this could work.

40:46

So then at that point I saw I

40:49

had a production company approach me for this show that

40:51

was called He calls me

40:53

up and he's like, dude, I landed a show.

40:56

I'm like, oh my gosh. And so I was living in Calgary

40:58

at the time. He was in Vancouver and he's like, yeah,

41:00

this is great. I landed the show. Whose show? I'm like, oh, that's

41:02

amazing. What's the show. He's like, it's called Realtor

41:05

Idol. It's like it's like American

41:07

Idol for realtors and there's a pause

41:09

on the phone. And I was like, that's the

41:12

dumbest thing I've ever heard of. It was a

41:14

terrible idea, but it got my foot

41:16

in the door. And then after the foot was in

41:18

the door, I got another project

41:20

pitched to me, something else, and Jonathan I started saying,

41:22

why are we waiting for these projects to come to us,

41:25

Why don't we try pitching somebody. And at the time we just

41:27

thought, what, we're going to be good to host some show.

41:29

So we pitched anything we were good at. So we actually pitched

41:31

a magic show for Jonathan, something sport

41:34

related for me. We pitched an environmental

41:36

show. Who are you pitching these? Well? So this is the funny

41:38

thing too, is at the time we didn't know how it worked. So

41:41

you know, usually a production company that has cloud,

41:43

they'll talk to their network partners the same way we

41:45

do now with our production company. By the time, we didn't

41:47

have anything to lose and we didn't understand the process.

41:49

So we literally went into the Yellow Pages.

41:52

We looked up all the networks, the big networks in

41:54

Canada, and we just went and we found the

41:56

head people of each of the networks and we just went to them

41:58

and said, we want to pitch you a show. You guys are

42:00

so but it was total hustlers

42:03

were except for it was marijuana and take.

42:06

It was then

42:08

an overachiever for those things I

42:10

did well, but I

42:13

I did very well in those business. First of all,

42:15

all your pot plants died, they did

42:18

so to the network. We actually end up Rogers,

42:21

one of the big networks. The We were actually

42:23

fortunate the head guy, the VP of

42:25

their new development, he actually sat

42:27

down with us. He let us pitch him and everything like that. He said,

42:29

he likes sauce and our energy. He's like, this is

42:31

not the process, this isn't how you do it. We would

42:33

never give you money to produce a show because you have no

42:35

track record. So he said that what

42:37

you should do is find a production company that we know

42:40

that work, that will work with you, and we did, and

42:42

then that's how eventually we were able to pitch through them.

42:44

Then we pitched the idea of Jonathan and me doing what

42:46

we do with clients already property brothers,

42:49

and then it was a slow takeoff from actually

42:51

it was a fast takeoff. Within three months we became the

42:53

top show on the Canadian network and

42:55

then when we went to the

42:57

US again, within a matter of months

42:59

we were the top show on AHGTV. So HGTV

43:02

basically took the idea from Well.

43:04

The interesting thing is AGTV in the US originally

43:07

turned it down. They said they didn't get it two brothers.

43:09

They were looking for husbands and wife combos or male

43:11

female combos, and even HGTV Canada

43:14

turned it down and they said they don't have any room

43:16

for it. It was this obscure network

43:18

in Canada called the women's network w network,

43:20

and they're like, you know, two young guys and tight jeans

43:22

doing slow motion renovations. Hell, yeah,

43:25

we'll take that. And so we

43:27

did it. And then when we went to number one

43:29

on that network, within three months, we went back to

43:31

HGTV US and said, hey, do

43:33

you want to try it? You know now that you see these

43:35

ratings, and so they had us edit it down

43:37

to a half hour version for the first season

43:41

to test it. Same thing happened. Within three months,

43:43

we were the number one show in the note Now how many years

43:45

has it been, Now ten years? It was actually

43:47

two thousand and eight was the first year

43:49

I got a call about potentially

43:52

doing Property Brothers. And so

43:55

at the time I was a real estate agent as well, so I was working

43:57

with clients. The big movie chain in Canada

43:59

is called Cineplex and in Canada

44:02

and then the production company that approached me for Property

44:04

Brothers is called Cineflex, and so I used

44:06

to get bulk passes. I get a thousand passes at

44:08

a time for the Cineplex movies and I would give them to clients

44:10

as a gift. And so for the first ten minutes

44:12

of Cineflex calling me to pitch me to do this show.

44:15

I was so confused because I thought it was the lady that was

44:17

my contact for movie tickets, and I was kind

44:19

of like, I don't understand what we're talking about. I just

44:21

want my movie passes for my clients. And she's like, no,

44:23

no, we want you to host a TV show. I'm like, oh,

44:26

so, anyway, that's where in two thousand and eight we started shooting.

44:28

Two thousand and nine, we did a sizzle at first,

44:30

and we did a pilot episode and then they actually

44:33

we didn't hear from them actually for a couple of months, and we thought

44:35

that they dropped the idea. And then so

44:37

Jonathan was back in Calgary, I was back in Vancouver,

44:40

and then randomly I just got a call and they said,

44:42

hey, the network has decided to pick up a

44:44

full first season of your show. Can you be moving

44:46

to Toronto in a week? It picked up a whole site.

44:48

Yeah, they picked up the whole How many episodes during

44:50

a season originally started out

44:53

originally we were just doing thirteen episodes

44:55

a season, and then we because we

44:57

were going away then in block shooting in different cities,

44:59

We're like, well, we've got lots more time. Why don't

45:01

we make this more efficient? And so we started

45:03

doing twenty twenty six episodes

45:06

for Property Brothers. But then we wanted to

45:08

add another show, buying and selling. So Property

45:10

Brothers was helping people to buy and renovated house

45:12

buying and selling. These people are trying to sell their house. So

45:14

to make good use of our time because we're going city to

45:17

city. So we ended up fifty two episodes

45:19

a year between the two shows we were doing. The

45:21

next closest talent on the network

45:24

was thirteen episodes. Wow, nobody was able

45:26

to do. And then our production company ended up taking

45:28

over this past year. We actually purchased the

45:31

IP for Property Brothers, so we now own Property

45:33

Brothers and so who came up

45:35

with the name. It was a

45:37

group thing between the network and whatnot they

45:39

sent. We sent a list of ideas to them directually.

45:41

Still has the original list, the piece of paper that we wrote

45:43

it on. But I remember in the beginning Drew

45:46

So we were talking about propery Bison and I remember Drew was

45:48

like, Nah, I think we can do better. And

45:50

so we came up with this whole list, mending

45:52

fences, bungalow Brothers,

45:55

all this stupid here we got

45:57

here says you're getting all the so the

46:00

alternatively some good ones. So it

46:02

was a relative realty

46:06

on the job with Jonathan and Drew double

46:09

vision. Those are those hold

46:12

on visions like

46:14

a porno Yeah, bros,

46:18

bros before Reno who

46:23

came up with the bros Before I don't know.

46:25

Two men in a hammer, I

46:27

don't know. So there's so many dumb ones. And then

46:29

we realized and a hammer. Oh yeah, another

46:32

born mirror image the

46:36

yeah, the inspiration company, the Brothers Images.

46:39

Wait, by the way, that is a statistic

46:41

for twins, you know the statistic. Yeah,

46:44

the mirror image identical twins

46:46

have reverse asymmetrical features.

46:48

And also like that's because we're we

46:51

are apparently mirror twins because I'm a lefty, he's a righty.

46:53

Oh so you have that too, because twenty percent

46:55

have have different Yeah, and

46:58

which is which is interesting? I mean there's

47:00

I'm a lefty and Johnson's a c Yes,

47:02

that's why we're the more MILESSI oh, okay.

47:05

All three of us are right right hand and

47:07

then all sports left handed, and I'm actually

47:09

the opposite. I have left and I throw left,

47:11

but I that right and I golf

47:13

right and I'm the same. I'm am age extra, so I do

47:16

everything both hands, but I predominantly do things

47:18

like right and everything with my right hand. I play guitar right

47:20

handed. But the only reason I do that everything else I do left handed,

47:22

but that's because my dad refused to teach

47:24

me guitar left handed, is that you will learn

47:26

what I know, and so I just learned right

47:29

handed. But anyway, Yeah, so we are mirror

47:31

twins and the name of the show, I'm

47:33

glad we with Propertyaris And in the end, Johnson I had talk were like, wait,

47:35

if we make it Property Brothers, the chance

47:37

of them replacing us after season one, if we really suck,

47:40

is really low. So it's gonna be hard to find

47:42

other brothers that do what we do. So that's why

47:44

we went with that name. And then it ended up being we airn

47:46

over one hundred and sixty countries is just

47:48

amazing. So ten years and

47:51

now that I mean fifty, so I

47:53

mean what hundreds and hundred thousand,

47:55

how many houses? Four hundred as of

47:59

within a couple months, we'll hit our four hundredth episode

48:01

four hundred, which we just discovered we were looking at

48:03

all the stats. That means that we have hosted

48:06

more hours of original content, more episodes than

48:09

any other person in history in this space in

48:11

this says yeah, but it's something we love. That's four hundred

48:13

families, but also people watching the millions

48:15

of people globally that all inspired of

48:17

the four hundred houses. Have you

48:19

ever done a house and been like

48:22

that was terrible? This is okay?

48:25

How dare you we really

48:28

fucked? No, there's

48:30

one episode we didn't air. Out of all the

48:32

episodes, there's only one that has never aired, and

48:34

it was a guy. He was a firefighter.

48:36

So then the network does the approvals for who'll be on the show

48:39

and they're like, oh, firefighter, you'll get his firefighter buddy's

48:41

over and it'll be good TV, and it'd be good program.

48:43

Anyway, he wanted to buy this house. It was in a neighborhood

48:46

in Toronto where it was an old landfill

48:48

and all the houses built on top of it. They didn't prep

48:50

the ground properly and all the houses were sinking,

48:53

so when you walk into the house from

48:55

the front where you are to the back, it actually

48:57

dipped like a foot. It was crazy, and

48:59

he just wanted to level out the floors instead

49:01

of properly fixed in the house, and we said, we can't

49:04

do that. We have to do everything properly. We would never

49:06

do a half assed job. And

49:08

anyway, the guy was advant he was gonna buy the house.

49:10

We ditched him and he still got it. We started

49:13

the app. So we filmed for two days with a guy

49:15

and did the turn and everything, and then I said, I don't them, Like, I'm not gonna

49:17

take on a project where we're illegally like

49:20

not getting permisary, and so

49:22

we didn't. That's the only one that hasn't aired. I've

49:24

We've never, you know, had a project where I

49:26

didn't like, like we screwed that up or didn't like it.

49:29

Sometimes, like there have been things that I've done,

49:31

Like I remember one project. I had this idea

49:33

in my mind for this really cool

49:36

vintage medallion feature on

49:38

the ceiling. It was like a it was an old row

49:40

home one hundred and twenty years old and

49:42

tall ceilings, so I want to do this cool medallion

49:45

thing. And I put it in and I

49:47

looked up when it was done. I

49:49

was like, that's the ugliest fucking

49:51

thing I've ever seen ever. It looked like

49:53

an actually, so

49:57

it was HGTV pay for

50:00

renovation, And that's actually a great question.

50:02

And then the follow up question is when

50:05

I watch some of these shows, it's like, is it

50:07

done with with quality material

50:09

or is it just shit to cut caughts. And so that's

50:11

a great thing. What I love HGTV. They

50:14

stay on top of production. So is there are other shows

50:16

out there that are home renovation shows on different

50:18

networks and stuff, And a lot of times, you know, it could

50:20

look pretty good on TV, but at the end of the day, it's not

50:22

a great job, like or things aren't finished

50:25

properly. It's it's just

50:27

not what you would ever want to have in your house. We on

50:29

our shows, whatever you see it

50:31

is highest quality. You know, there's there's a National

50:33

Building Code, then there's the Row code. We call it like

50:35

because the level

50:37

of what we want to leave everybody with is it's important

50:40

to give them the best of the best. Because the thing too is they're

50:42

all our you know, calling card out there. If

50:44

we do a terrible job and somebody says

50:46

bad things about us, it doesn't look good on us as well.

50:48

And on top of that, people

50:50

ask, like the furniture do you stage the house

50:53

and looks beautiful, and then as soon as you're done rolling, you're like,

50:55

back up the truck, let's take it all off. No, with

50:57

our shows, all of the furniture and everything's included

50:59

in the budget too. It's important when we

51:01

renovate a house, we renovate it the way we want to renovate

51:04

our own place. And I have

51:06

gone in like I remember, I went into a

51:08

house that it turns out, had been on another show

51:10

years and years and years ago, and I

51:12

could not believe the crapp

51:15

equality of the work that had been done on this place.

51:17

And so yeah, like that, that was one

51:19

thing we said was very important to us take

51:21

the TV show out of it. We're actually

51:23

trying to help these people and improve their lives.

51:26

And the only way you can do that is if you do it right. Eve follow

51:28

up, you will follow up. Oh yeah, Actually, last year we did

51:30

a fallow because we shot in Atlanta, and so we did a

51:32

fallout because there's one or two things that happened.

51:35

We renovate the house, and then we come

51:37

back five years later and nothing has

51:39

changed. Literally every like the core

51:41

piece where we put it is in the exact same place.

51:43

Nothing has changed. Or the kids

51:45

ruined it. Five months later. So

51:47

we went back to this family and nothing had changed

51:50

in their house. The only thing that changed they got married. Since we

51:52

were with we did the show with them, and so one of

51:54

our art pieces was swapped out for a wedding photo.

51:56

But I mean, at the end of the day, renovations

51:58

are very stressful. Buying it else is very stressful.

52:01

Anyone going through renovation knows it's stressful in a relationship.

52:04

I see the look in your eyes, so you've dealt with it. But

52:06

the last thing we would ever want to do is try to help

52:08

a family through this process and then leave them

52:10

high and dry and something. In the end. We want them to love

52:13

their home the way that we love our own homes.

52:15

I love I actually love the process.

52:17

I always say, if I wasn't doing what I like,

52:20

at some point, it would be fun to

52:22

to flip houses because I like design

52:24

Ee from what I've seen, and also we featured

52:26

you in Reveal. You have at least

52:29

it looks to me like a great I think

52:32

I do. I like it because I like living in my

52:34

houses or the houses that I've done. You

52:36

know, the craftsmanship and the work that

52:38

people put into making homes to

52:41

me is like, I mean that's the stuff

52:43

that I love. Well, yeah, you don't need to have a stark

52:45

modern home to you

52:48

know, to get some of that modern aesthetic or

52:50

functionality. You can still have those character elements

52:52

throughout the home, and different spaces can have different

52:54

vibes. That's why we love. We love

52:56

our home and what we did because we made sure we cherished

52:58

all the old We have the original front door we refurbished,

53:00

and part of the original banister and fireplace.

53:04

But then we moved the kitchen over. Before they had the kitchen

53:06

tucked away because it was a different style of

53:08

living. Now we have an open flow from the kitchen through

53:10

the dining to the living room. So were your

53:12

parents really design like

53:15

was there home important to them? The way it

53:17

felt and the things that were in it? And

53:19

yeah, I mean home has always been very important for us.

53:22

But from a design standpoint, my dad absolutely

53:25

not. My mom definitely had a little bit

53:27

more of like a traditional designer flare

53:29

that she would put into it. But home

53:32

was very important for us, having those memories at the holidays,

53:34

making sure that we felt like we were safe and that, you

53:36

know, if there was something creativitally, creatively

53:39

that one of us wanted to follow. My parents would

53:41

make sure that they built out a space for us to do that in so,

53:44

like you know, for my magic, I had a magic space

53:46

that I could or Dad would let us use his office as our fort

53:48

when we were kids, like we would build We'd take all the old boxes

53:50

from the old appliances and stuff, and we would build out a

53:52

whole town down there. And so they gave us

53:54

areas to let our creativity grow the most

53:57

firm. Our parents home

53:59

was where we all were. It didn't matter the physical

54:02

structure as much. It was where we were as a family

54:04

and spending time together. And so we had moved a few times,

54:07

but they really gave us that sense of calm

54:09

whenever we were at home. Yeah, I feel

54:12

that way because we travel so much. But I think,

54:14

and you know, Oliver's wife Aaron,

54:16

does that as well, because she literally, I

54:18

mean, we don't go anywhere without her bringing like half

54:20

of the house and like

54:23

the snacks. I can so when we're filming

54:25

on the road, I can pack up, no joke,

54:28

my entire apartment or wherever we are on the road, I can

54:31

pack my whole place up less than four hours

54:33

done. Ru and Linda have

54:36

like nine hundred suitcases

54:38

and a sherpa and you

54:41

have to appreciate this though, when you film on the road that we literally

54:43

majority of the time we're on the road working. You know, our

54:45

family and friends stay at our houses at home

54:47

more than we do. So we have our house

54:49

on the road because we're always there, and then we

54:52

have our house stuff at home,

54:54

so we try to make ourselves comfortable on the road. When

54:56

did you guys discover that

54:58

you were actually twins? Like, was

55:00

there a moment where you went, oh,

55:02

wait, this is not like

55:05

three years I thought it was just a mirror that I was

55:07

looking at until I turned forty one. And

55:09

then I mean, for the first

55:12

six months of Drew's life, he was growing in my

55:14

shoulder and then eventually they caught him out and

55:16

he grew. I don't remember exactly though,

55:18

like when we're toddlers, I think ever a moment

55:20

where okay, is there ever a moment where you realize, like, were

55:23

you always aware that you were ident

55:25

like that it was different? Yeah, as far as

55:27

I can remember, back to when I was a kid, because you know,

55:29

you can't remember everything as a kid. I remember having

55:31

a twin, and maybe when we were toddlers we just thought

55:34

we were siblings or brothers. But I do

55:36

remember thinking that there's a guy that looks exactly like

55:38

me that is always around. Even today,

55:40

It's actually kind of funny because you don't think about it. You don't

55:42

think about, oh, I have a guy who shares my face. You

55:45

don't think about it. I just think about

55:47

the fact that I have siblings, same as my older brother, I

55:49

have a sibling, and then all of a sudden, even today,

55:51

you'll clue in. You'll be like, that is a little

55:53

weird. It's a little strange. Well, and actually

55:55

people think, you know, the triplets make us not

55:57

as cool anymore. But still people will look at us

55:59

like where the the craziest thing they've ever seen. And that's

56:02

kind of funny to me because I twins are pretty common now.

56:04

So the new magazine, how

56:06

did this venture start? Well, it's it's all

56:08

our fans. It comes from the fans,

56:10

and they've said, you know, they love what we

56:13

do with our shows and we're inspiring them in their homes.

56:15

But they were they're always asking for more

56:17

ways that we can sort of inspire them. Or

56:19

uplift them or share stories with them, and we thought,

56:22

you know, it's our brand. Isn't just a home brand

56:24

anymore. It's a lifestyle brand. And there

56:26

are more aspects to our lives and stories that we want

56:28

to share and so reveal. You

56:31

know, our slogan is it all starts at home,

56:33

but home is a springboard for life.

56:35

So whether it's food, traveled, family,

56:38

love, we wanted to share more. And there's so many amazing

56:40

people like yourself. In our first issue

56:43

you're in there at Home feature at Home with my

56:46

favorite Room, Yes, And so I

56:48

mean that's exciting for us to share other inspiring stories

56:50

out there. And there's cool stuff too. You

56:52

know, we've got, you know, the very first issue, we've got our

56:54

parents, but every issue will have some

56:57

celebrities parents that we'll talk about an

56:59

aspect of girling up or celebrities that our parents.

57:01

Ye, celebrities are our parents. We've also

57:03

got like Fails. Zoe is

57:05

doing the failure cult where they went out

57:07

to do some something, whether it was to throw a party

57:10

or to make some fashion decision and it just

57:12

totally bombed bad. And so it's

57:14

a lighthearted take on something that can give people, real

57:17

steps, simple steps to get more out of life,

57:19

but also great. It's really and it's just it's

57:21

pulling back the curtains a little more in our lives

57:24

and there's so much Family is the number

57:26

one most important thing to us. My wife and I want to have

57:28

kids soon too, and I think there's a lot that we

57:30

can still learn and share the experience as

57:32

we grow together with our audience and I

57:35

mean amazing people too, Like if you know oh Joy

57:37

Joy cho between the oh Joy brand, She's

57:39

going to be featured as well. And we have so many amazing,

57:42

amazing people that are short stories. I always

57:44

like when you kind of because we talk about this

57:46

a lot, and you're going into your content

57:48

piece, you know, where you get to talk about

57:50

other things that are an extension

57:53

of yourself. After a while, you know, you

57:55

probably you guys probably do a lot of talking about

57:57

yourself and especially Jonathan

57:59

and things that you do, but you

58:02

really also get to now highlight people

58:04

that inspire you or that you like what they're doing

58:06

and expect. So that's fun. And then Brother

58:08

versus Brother and this is

58:10

you guys competing, which is always

58:13

best. This is season seven of Brother Versus

58:15

Brothers. So after Property Brothers and our other

58:17

shows, Jonathan and I were talking to the network

58:19

and they're like, your show's at the top shows on the network. Is there

58:21

anything else you can do for us? And we said, well, we

58:23

love to compete, and they would see that on social

58:26

media and whatnot. People our fans loved

58:28

it as well and like, why don't we compete designing

58:30

two houses? So this was actually Jonathan's plan

58:32

to get me from just wearing a suit and getting my

58:34

hands dirty again. So I had to get in there and do my own

58:37

construction. And how does that usually pan out?

58:40

Well, I've won more episodes than Drew hen

58:42

you have. I've won

58:44

more episodes, You've won more overall

58:46

sale. Yeah, that's true. So the basically

58:48

the way it works is the each

58:51

episode there's a challenge like the kitchen challenge, and when I

58:53

we'll have random celebrity friends who come in and judge

58:55

the spaces based on whatever they want. They can judge.

58:57

They can say I don't like pink, so you lose whatever.

59:00

The way you win an actual season, the whole

59:02

season of it is we renovate the houses,

59:04

we sell them, and then whichever brother

59:06

makes a bigger profit wins period

59:08

and then all the money goes to charity. That's great. So the funny

59:10

thing is the last season we shot in San Francisco, and

59:13

so and every challenge too, when whenever one of the brothers

59:15

lose an episode like the living Room or the master Bedroom,

59:17

there's a winning brother and a losing brother, and so the winning

59:20

brother gets a reward. And so one of our

59:22

challenges was, like, I'm a huge basketball nut,

59:24

and so one of the rewards was to go shoot hoops with Steph

59:26

Curry and so I'm like, I want this one,

59:28

and the losing brother had to be the ball boy. Well, sure enough,

59:31

I won, and so we get to do fun things that are

59:33

centric to the city. Did you guys get to shoot with Steph?

59:35

Yeah? Yeah, I did. Like golf? Well,

59:38

I love Raptors, I love Clippers.

59:41

I haven't actually been to see the Lakers. Raptors.

59:43

You lost your boy? No, I know what. He's here

59:45

now so I can see him in LA but then also

59:47

Golden State. But but so with

59:49

that, we're now filming Brother Versus Brother season seven

59:51

in LA. So the only thing I can tease to everybody

59:53

is think of the fun LA centric

59:56

rewards that you're going to see in punishments for Jonathan

59:58

or a loser. Can I pitch

1:00:00

myself? Yes, okay, how will

1:00:02

you? We'll give you thirty seconds. No, okay, thirty

1:00:05

seconds. I want to renovate my house.

1:00:07

I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is there

1:00:09

any way that I can be on the show so I can

1:00:11

get my house renovation done for free? Get from

1:00:13

everybody? So literally the pitch from everybody?

1:00:16

Yeah, but have you learned nothing from this podcast?

1:00:19

Our homeowners pay for eighty percent of the renovation,

1:00:21

so they're still paying for the renovation on the show.

1:00:24

Yeah, so thes

1:00:27

But we give not only to get use of our design

1:00:29

team for free. We get it done in a fraction

1:00:31

of ten. Most people I know in LA who are renovating,

1:00:33

it's like a year and a half or more renovation. But also

1:00:36

we stretch a budget like no one's business.

1:00:38

I mean, if you see what like, sometimes you're like, you

1:00:40

renovated that house for that much money? Come on,

1:00:42

But our budgets are real. It's just we we get

1:00:44

some stuff for free as well trade outs from companies.

1:00:48

But we really know how to organize, stretch

1:00:50

a budget and do it. What's the biggest budget

1:00:52

house you've ever done? Well, so

1:00:54

Fredy Bunch House, Yeah, you do

1:00:56

that. That was pretty big. I mean that was awesome

1:00:59

that we've done, and we've done in the

1:01:01

millions for residential. I

1:01:03

used to do commercial before we were doing the

1:01:05

shows and whatnot, and so those were large

1:01:07

budgets. Well, but yeah, I'm

1:01:10

like, I'm like kind of a celebrity, you know what I mean,

1:01:12

Like I can I can help out

1:01:14

with you. I

1:01:17

think it'll be absolutely love your system.

1:01:19

You can't just just consider

1:01:22

the pitch, just atleast

1:01:24

consider it. My house is like a children's

1:01:27

frat house. I have three kids, the

1:01:29

dogs piss everywhere. I

1:01:31

need an adult home. So I'm

1:01:33

going to do I'm gonna do this. Yes,

1:01:37

sounds like, well all of our house,

1:01:40

great episode. I'm actually renovating

1:01:42

this. If we had to choose one of your

1:01:44

two houses to renovate on, and you

1:01:46

had to each choose one one

1:01:49

reason why you would be the better candidate, how

1:01:51

would you sales pitch that? I mean,

1:01:54

I would me, well,

1:01:56

what the reason the

1:01:58

reasoning selling us on? Its

1:02:00

just me me, period?

1:02:06

Because show I don't have an eye

1:02:08

for design like Kate does, but I'm willing to

1:02:10

learn. I know what's good.

1:02:12

I just don't know how to make

1:02:14

it all come together. I

1:02:16

have three kids and not nearly the

1:02:18

amount of money that Kate has to do whatever

1:02:20

she wants with her seventeen houses

1:02:22

and properties. I don't have seven.

1:02:25

I have one property, but you could have

1:02:27

more houses if you want. He's hypothetically,

1:02:30

but so you know, and I'm

1:02:32

better on camera in a

1:02:35

sort of an improv sense, you know what

1:02:37

I mean, Like I will be more talking

1:02:40

about I don't know, I'm just fun. I just

1:02:42

fund that in your process of applying to our

1:02:44

show, you've now ruined your sister brother

1:02:46

relationship. No,

1:02:49

I'm so used to this. Here's what I would

1:02:51

say. Here's why I'd be the best candidate

1:02:53

for your show. It's because

1:02:57

Instagram follows. I actually

1:02:59

really love to build homes, and

1:03:02

the attachment I've had to this property

1:03:05

is really intense because we

1:03:07

grew up over there, so I've held

1:03:10

on to this house forever

1:03:12

I went. In the time it took for you guys

1:03:15

to pitch those, we've unfortunately fully cast

1:03:17

the show. Yeah,

1:03:20

okay, so how often do you talk

1:03:22

each day? These are our speed rounds with

1:03:24

each other. Yeah, every day, Yeah, every

1:03:26

day, multiple times a day, mostly

1:03:29

just by a text. What's the dumbest

1:03:31

thing you've done to be competitive? Something

1:03:34

just stupid where it's like, I'm better

1:03:36

than you, but this is completely lame. Oh my

1:03:38

gosh, that's a good question. I'd have to think. I mean,

1:03:40

I do a lot of dumb shit. I

1:03:42

mean, when we were younger, he used to try to, like, if there was a

1:03:44

girl we both kind of liked, he tried to get there first

1:03:47

before me to one up me. And then sometimes

1:03:49

I think it was a little bit too intense and stockersh and

1:03:51

so that was always making them

1:03:53

like me more. Do you guys have the same Do you guys

1:03:55

have the same body hair pattern? I

1:03:57

have no body hair? Do you have any body hair? Have

1:04:00

you do? So you have body hair and you don't? Lazier,

1:04:04

let me start with this stuff. Okay,

1:04:07

one word to describe each other, but

1:04:10

you describe each other. Okay, all

1:04:13

in? That's two words, but it's still so

1:04:15

true, says Jonathan. Is all in? Jonathan?

1:04:18

True? I would say, uh

1:04:21

like forward definitely

1:04:25

the more outgoing. Who's better at keeping a

1:04:27

secret? Definitely Jonathan?

1:04:29

Oh my gosh, No, he's the worst. You

1:04:32

have to tell me I have to

1:04:34

keep it boom. I'm with you, man, If

1:04:36

you don't tell me not to say anything,

1:04:39

now, I'm just going to say it. How am I supposed

1:04:41

to not know? Yougnant

1:04:43

because you don't indulge And

1:04:47

I know this is a speed round, but can I just really quickly say

1:04:50

it was a big reveal on Property Brothers and

1:04:52

the family. The wife was revealing

1:04:54

on the show that she's pregnant, but she didn't want to tell her

1:04:56

family until the show was airing, so all her family would

1:04:58

see on the show that she's saying she's

1:05:00

pregnant. Well, the production team

1:05:02

was there and they were told I was shooting on another location,

1:05:05

and then I came over. They were all told it's a secret

1:05:07

from the family, and then we're just about to do a big

1:05:09

thing with the family at the end, like your congratulations.

1:05:11

So I come in. The first thing I say the production person, I'm

1:05:13

like, hey, so does everyone know that

1:05:16

it's uh that that she's pregnant, And they're

1:05:18

like, yeah, everyone knows. Well, they meant

1:05:20

all the crew know. I thought they meant all the

1:05:23

family know. So we did a big speech in front of

1:05:25

the whole family, and the lady's like, we're

1:05:27

so happy to be on property, but thank you for doing this with us.

1:05:29

And then I take the mic and then I'm saying next one. I'm like, well,

1:05:31

oh, she's like this, this renovation was such a great

1:05:33

surprise for us. And then I take the mic and I'm

1:05:35

like, well, that's not the only great surprise.

1:05:38

And I put my hand on her stomach and I'm like and

1:05:40

I look at it, and all I see is Jonathan and all our our team

1:05:42

like to their handle. You

1:05:46

got to tell me it's that, honey,

1:05:49

that's fun. Okay, what do you think is the

1:05:51

biggest difference between the two of you.

1:05:54

Jonathan likes

1:05:57

Jonathan likes downtime more. I'm learning to like

1:05:59

down more. I'm a workaholic and I really love

1:06:01

a busy, busy pace, and especially with one

1:06:03

in kids soon I need to learn. Can I send

1:06:06

them real quick? You know what's so funny is like we do

1:06:08

these podcasts, we always sit across. It

1:06:10

always seems like the two similar

1:06:13

people are sitting next to each other and every

1:06:15

single one that we do. So you don't shower

1:06:17

either, No, that's cool. Yeah, I

1:06:19

actually hate showering a warrior. Who's

1:06:22

more outgoing? I would

1:06:24

say overtly, like

1:06:26

as far as like meeting people and doing that and

1:06:28

having friends and being social. But

1:06:32

who is messier? Jonathan? You

1:06:36

know I'm a clean friends, but

1:06:39

I don't have to put all the clothes away or the dishes

1:06:41

away until after I've enjoyed the meal. Who

1:06:43

would win? Who would win in a fistfight? Dally?

1:06:47

I don't know you would win because

1:06:51

he seems a little I don't know. I

1:06:54

fight dirty. You do go for the

1:06:56

shin he pull out like a hed like slice

1:06:59

my ankle or something, and I would just go for I'm

1:07:01

wired. Who's funnier, I'm stronger.

1:07:03

Who's the funniest to I

1:07:06

would say John like Jhonath's funny? But were

1:07:08

we play off each other, that's what we love. We get

1:07:10

asked to do individual appearances, but I actually enjoy

1:07:13

being together because we have a fun

1:07:15

So who's the wittiest, Like, who's the I

1:07:18

would I would say probably like I

1:07:20

I I think that would probably be like

1:07:22

I'd say maybe Jonathan and Goofy.

1:07:25

Who's goofyest? Which trade off? I

1:07:27

think the fans may think that on the show Jonathan's

1:07:30

goof here because there's more like screen time doing demolition

1:07:32

where you can goof off. But what I

1:07:34

say on the show, they could never Yeah, so I

1:07:36

think in reality probably, but on the show

1:07:38

it appears Jonathan. So, who's the most rebellious

1:07:41

Jonathan? Growing up? One percent? He was.

1:07:44

He rebelled more than I was. He was a pain in the butt.

1:07:46

Are you guys put on authentic

1:07:48

on this show or is there a part of you

1:07:50

that sort of gives it a little bit more because you know you're

1:07:53

on camera, you know you're entertaining, you

1:07:55

know, I mean, are you just so? Are you? This is

1:07:57

who you are? It is who we are. And I think that's one thing

1:07:59

that the fans really love and gravitate towards, is that when

1:08:01

they meet us some person, they're always like, you're so

1:08:04

you on the show. We're not pretending to

1:08:06

be someone else. If you were

1:08:08

to cast yourself

1:08:10

in a movie, who would you cast?

1:08:13

Well, Jonathan always gets Harry Connick

1:08:15

Junior like all the time, or

1:08:18

he had basically

1:08:22

no, but I never get that. I don't know. That's

1:08:25

the funny thing. Though nobody ever says that. Everyone always

1:08:28

says he looks like Harry Knic but I always get if my hair

1:08:30

like a bit of beard, and in shorter hair, I get Ben Affleck

1:08:32

or I get like Tony Robbins. So

1:08:35

that's a nice cross. A nice

1:08:37

cross I would cast Christopher

1:08:40

Walkins, I say,

1:08:42

I think so okay. So

1:08:45

the best advice that you've received from

1:08:47

each other we liked this is our favorite part advice.

1:08:50

I'd say. The one thing that I really love that Jonathan

1:08:52

and are a good reminder for each other. And because

1:08:54

I'm a workaholic, it's nice for him to remind

1:08:56

me to enjoy the

1:08:58

journey. It's not always just about the end result.

1:09:01

To take time to enjoy the journey, especially when

1:09:03

I have someone amazing like my wife with me. Take time to

1:09:05

enjoy the small moments along the way. And

1:09:08

one of the things that Drew had

1:09:10

sort of brought into the fact that when we would

1:09:12

disagree on how to do something, Drew

1:09:14

had said, you know, you got to understand,

1:09:17

there's a million right ways to do something,

1:09:20

but it doesn't always take the right It always doesn't

1:09:22

always there's a million right ways to do something, but it

1:09:24

doesn't always take the same path to get there. And

1:09:26

so that was actually very valuable

1:09:28

because you're right at the end of the day, who

1:09:31

cares what method you use as long as Yeah,

1:09:34

I mean and tying into that though too, best

1:09:36

advice we ever had together from

1:09:38

our mom and dad, Like they give us so much great advice and

1:09:40

at the time as kids, you don't think about it, but like

1:09:43

stuff for example, they said, you can always

1:09:45

get to the top. If you're really passionate about something

1:09:48

and you want to achieve something, you can always get

1:09:50

there. But there's always a path to do it without stepping

1:09:52

on someone along the way. And I think that's how we've always

1:09:54

lived our lives is we never have to knock someone

1:09:56

else down or put someone else in a worse

1:09:58

situation to get to where we wanted to too, there's

1:10:00

always a way to work with other people to get there. Sounds

1:10:02

like you're awesome parents

1:10:05

together. They're still together. We spend as much time

1:10:07

as possible together. They're going to be with us for over

1:10:09

the holidays too, So still in love. Yeah,

1:10:11

that's so great. Yeah, that's rare.

1:10:14

If you could give your

1:10:16

sibling something

1:10:19

like if you could insert

1:10:21

them with a characteristic or something

1:10:24

that you knew would be amazing

1:10:26

for them, what would that be. What

1:10:28

do you wish like that they don't already

1:10:30

have? Yeah, something that if you if you just had

1:10:33

this, you

1:10:35

know, I would say the

1:10:37

ability to realize that

1:10:40

other people have emotions and

1:10:42

don't necessarily think about things like a robot.

1:10:46

I've worked on that my years with Linda.

1:10:48

Before I was very I just talked to everyone

1:10:50

the way I talked to john very straightforward. And

1:10:53

now I'm fine with me, I would say,

1:10:55

which Johnson's actually come to realize. I think too. But

1:10:57

you know, over the years, he's been in and out of relationships,

1:10:59

and I think the one great thing was to it was to

1:11:01

remind him that he is a catch,

1:11:04

Like I'm not just saying that because he looks like me. Like

1:11:06

he is a great person. He loves with his

1:11:08

whole heart whenever he's with somebody, and that

1:11:10

he will find somebody that feels the same way

1:11:12

in return and gives him back how much that he

1:11:14

gives. And I like that he I don't

1:11:16

know if that was a reminder that that you needed, but I like that

1:11:19

he took that and now he's in an amazing relationship.

1:11:21

That's great. And what would you take? What would

1:11:23

you take from each other? Like if you could take one

1:11:26

thing relieve like relieve,

1:11:28

it would it would be that

1:11:29

that care free thing where

1:11:31

you just go up and meet a stranger and have no problem. Meaning

1:11:34

a stranger. I'm not that guy. I don't. I'm

1:11:36

not. I don't, so you would, But would you

1:11:38

like to have a piece of that? And

1:11:40

I think Jonathan Jonathan is

1:11:42

a hopeless romantic and so I think for for

1:11:44

me, like there's so many little things that he always

1:11:46

does. I'm like, that's taking so

1:11:49

much time, why are you doing that? But

1:11:51

he does all these amazing little things. I think that's

1:11:53

something that I'm continually learning from him, uh,

1:11:55

to improve on you. Yeah, that fearlessness,

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that's a that's the word that I use with her too, because that's what

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I would take from Kate. She's just

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fearless. And if I could have a little piece of that, I'd be way

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more fan. It's a very good attribute. Yeah,

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you guys are awesome. You guys are amazing.

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I would have for another two hours, But thank

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you so much for coming and talking to you. We'll

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see you again when you do my house. When

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you do my house, Thanks Pater. Sibling

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Rivalry is executive produced by Kate Hudson,

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Oliver Hudson and sim Sarna. Supervising

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producer is Alison Presnik. Editor is

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Josh Wendish. Music by

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Mark Hudson, a k a. Uncle

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Man,