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from episode one hundred and sixteen.

5:49

Miss Florida Lee

5:50

after this one. Our

5:52

Brazilian politician, evangelist,

5:54

gospel singer, and mother to fifty

5:56

five children.

5:57

You heard that right folks. Yeah.

5:59

Summer

5:59

adopted. Summer or birthed

6:02

by her. To remind everybody,

6:04

she and a handful of her adult

6:06

children first tried to poison

6:08

her husband with cyanide about

6:10

six times but failed.

6:12

Yeah. But made him real fucking sick in the

6:14

process. yes, he was going to the hospital.

6:16

When that didn't work, in June of

6:18

twenty nineteen, they were like, okay, new

6:20

plan. Anderson Decomo,

6:23

which was her husband, was shot multiple

6:25

times outside the family home. Kinda tried to make it

6:27

look like maybe it was like a robbery or

6:29

somebody in their neighborhood wanted him. Since

6:32

we have covered her story, several

6:34

of her children have been convicted and sentenced.

6:36

But remember, she was claiming parliamentary

6:39

immunity -- Mhmm. -- so that she wouldn't go down for

6:41

it. And also she did not

6:43

pull the trigger, but she

6:45

convinced her adult children

6:48

to do it. And if I'm not mistaken,

6:51

Wasn't she sexually

6:53

involved with one of them? Yeah.

6:55

There was that romantically

6:57

involved with some of wasn't the

7:00

husband too with one of the step kids

7:02

step daughters. There was

7:03

a fucked up stuff. A

7:05

dog opted kids, and I use

7:08

air quotes. And then the

7:10

lines were kind of loose on what

7:12

that really meant. And they were

7:14

very abusive to them and withheld

7:17

food, had

7:19

poor living conditions. Mhmm.

7:21

It it was a very

7:23

shitty situation all the way around.

7:25

Meanwhile, in the public eye,

7:27

she's acting like this, the saint,

7:29

but

7:29

also her

7:31

and her husband were known

7:33

for kind of being in the swinger

7:35

lifestyle and hanging out at strip

7:37

clubs and stuff, which there's nothing wrong

7:39

with that. But that was another reason

7:41

that

7:42

the night he was shot. They were coming back

7:44

from a strip club, and she

7:46

tried to say, like, oh, somebody followed us from

7:48

the club that it is an enemy of him.

7:50

but there was a significant number of text

7:53

messages between her and her adult children

7:55

being, like, and searches on

7:57

the phones that were, like, how do

7:59

you poison somebody? It was cyanide? I

8:01

mean, very just not even

8:03

trying to hide it. No. And they're like, someone

8:05

must've stolen by phone. They're like, no, they did

8:07

not. Well, in the since we've covered

8:09

her in episode

8:11

one sixteen, her adult son

8:13

Flavio was sentenced to thirty

8:15

three years in jail, it was determined that he

8:17

was the one that actually

8:18

pulled the trigger. Mhmm. Her

8:20

adopted son, Lucas Cesar,

8:23

was sentenced to seven years because he helped

8:25

to buy the murder weapon. Later,

8:27

he cooperated with police to kind of roll

8:29

on his siblings and his mom, so they

8:31

reduced his sentence that basically

8:33

he's gonna get out sooner than seven years,

8:35

but only

8:38

because he cooperated. He definitely was

8:39

part of the plot.

8:40

Yeah. And then four other children

8:43

were sentenced on various charges, but they were it

8:45

was basically this conspiracy where they all kind

8:47

of had small parts to help.

8:49

Lucas actually went and helped by the murder weapon,

8:51

gave it to Flavio, who then pulled the trigger.

8:55

So, Florida Lee, Her daughter

8:57

Simone and two of Florida Lee's other

8:59

children and one grandchild, so

9:01

it's a whole family affair. Mhmm.

9:03

They finally went to trial this

9:05

this month, November twenty twenty two,

9:07

after she previously claimed

9:09

parliamentary immunity. They stripped

9:11

her of that immunity in June of twenty twenty

9:14

one, is how they she was allowed

9:16

to go on trial because she was basically trying to

9:18

argue because I was elected. I

9:20

can't be convicted of anything. I can't be charged

9:22

with anything. And they're like, no. You can't charged

9:24

with anything that you do in your capacity. If you

9:26

murder someone outside of that, we

9:28

can charge you -- Which would even

9:31

the

9:31

murder charges the side. Having

9:33

parliamentary immunity is

9:36

wild. Yeah. You can

9:38

just get this, like, get out of jail

9:40

free card because you're

9:42

in the government. That

9:44

doesn't seem like that's how it

9:46

should be. Well, and

9:46

how it should work? And theory

9:48

is, like, say, you voted on

9:51

yes. I think we should go to war,

9:53

and then we went to war in killed these people. They

9:55

can't come back and sue you for wrongful death or

9:57

say, well, you murdered this person because

10:00

you voted on this war. It's like, well, in the capacity of

10:02

my job, I was voting for what's best for

10:04

the citizens. She was like,

10:06

can't touch me? Yeah. I got elected, and that's not

10:08

that's a house. Wow. That's

10:10

loophole. Yeah. And when

10:11

that didn't work and she finally went

10:13

on trial, her defense attorneys tried to

10:15

argue that she had no idea that her sons were planning

10:18

this crime. They

10:20

alleged that her mother was being sexually

10:22

and physically abused by Anderson,

10:24

by her husband, and

10:26

that the sons wanted to save their

10:28

mom. And so the sons did it totally

10:30

on their own. Meanwhile, they've already been convicted that

10:32

it was part of a conspiracy that the mom was in.

10:34

But So they tried to

10:36

poison him for six years. It

10:38

wasn't like this was out of the blue.

10:40

Yeah. They've tried to poison him over and over

10:42

with so much evidence. Yeah.

10:44

So the judge didn't buy it. He

10:46

said that Florida Lee, at the end

10:48

of the day, was the intellectual author of

10:50

the crime. He basically was like, she was pulling the

10:52

strings and she tried to like

10:54

you said, make comments to the media,

10:57

make comments a police. Well, we were at this club.

10:59

Maybe people followed us home. So

11:01

she she was not only just obstructing, but it

11:03

was all part of this vast conspiracy to cover

11:05

it up. And the court said that she

11:07

ordered the murder quote because the victim kept

11:09

a strict control of the family

11:11

finances and administered conflicts

11:13

rigidly refusing to give

11:15

preferential treatment to Florida Lee's

11:17

closest friends and detriment to

11:19

other members of the family. So

11:21

he would try to be, like, we have fifty five

11:23

kids, we have to be equitable. And she

11:25

was like, well, these five, I actually

11:28

like more. Yeah. So we need to be shitty to

11:30

these ones and be nice to these. and it

11:32

was kind of a power struggle between the

11:34

two. Because

11:36

Simone, Florida Lee's daughter was involved

11:38

she was sentenced to thirty one years, four

11:40

months, and twenty days for her part

11:42

in the poisoning attempts because they had

11:45

so much evidence, like you said, it was literal

11:47

Google searches. Yeah. Oh, yeah. How many

11:49

years? Yeah. How much time and I to

11:51

kill a grown man, the

11:53

other children and granddaughter were all

11:55

acquitted. So their names haven't

11:57

been publicized in the media too much.

11:59

But Florida Lee was sentenced to

12:01

fifty years and twenty eight days.

12:03

Okay. Well, she's not a spring

12:05

chicken, so no.

12:07

Depending on how those

12:09

appeals and stuff go, that might

12:11

be it for her. Yes, she

12:13

might spend out the rest of her days

12:15

in prison. A fascinating story,

12:17

if you haven't listened to episode one sixteen, you can

12:19

go back and listen to it. It's wild.

12:21

It's

12:21

real wild. And it's not

12:24

super well known because it didn't

12:26

happen in the US. But

12:28

if that happened here, it

12:30

would be everywhere. This

12:32

this scandal and I mean, it's

12:34

it's deep and it's layered and there's

12:36

so much various types of crime

12:38

and abuse that went on. was

12:40

like, it's a mixture of, like, if Sarah

12:42

Palin was a singer

12:44

and also was, like, a

12:45

duggier sized family. Like, forgot

12:48

about that. was also a

12:50

Christian singer, a very

12:52

well known one. Yeah.

12:53

She used that then

12:56

get elected and then take advantage. She's

12:58

like, if I'm elected, then I can

13:00

queue whoever I want. So

13:02

the the jail Sell

13:04

Dorr has also worked for them for

13:06

literally. Not

13:07

letting her political influence sway

13:10

that.

13:10

Yeah. For real. Yeah. Then it was,

13:12

like, what's right. It's right. that's not what we intended by

13:14

parliamentary immunity. If that were the

13:16

case, they it's like the purge. If once you get

13:18

elected, do what I want. Then yeah.

13:21

It's like, Yeah. Exactly.

13:23

That's how you get a genocide

13:25

or something. Yeah. Or just yeah. She

13:28

mafioso because you're like, well, if they can't

13:30

touch me. So, Florida Lisa, goodbye

13:32

and good luck. Our next senator,

13:34

we haven't actually covered on the show, but

13:36

we've both been following it. Mhmm. This

13:38

is

13:38

Elizabeth Holmes. You

13:41

took a

13:41

drink and a drink of water, and I did it. It's a

13:44

wrong time. Elizabeth Holmes.

13:52

We'll call by the

13:54

Denver Post. The sky

13:56

riding Dawne won in the Orlando of the

13:58

gas

13:58

tanks.

13:59

Bon full had an unusual hold

14:01

over the young Isabelle.

14:03

She would write him letters confessing

14:05

her love for him and how she longed to be

14:07

with him. Even as she remained in

14:09

Denver,

14:09

married to an older man. What

14:11

do we always say? say

14:13

it and forget it,

14:14

write it and

14:16

regret it. But

14:18

did they have phones? When were

14:20

phones of things? There were phones? There

14:21

were phones weren't there? I don't know.

14:23

It's really expensive to call from

14:26

Denver to St. Louis, though. And if you're

14:28

trying to cheat, you might, you know, write a

14:30

quick note throw it in the mail, throw it in

14:32

a telegraph or something. So you're you're not in there

14:34

on the other line going you're really running up a

14:36

phone bill, honey. Yeah. man,

14:38

I just realized how stupid it was to

14:40

being asked that they have bones because bones

14:42

have probably been around for, like,

14:45

a hundred years at this

14:47

point. They were invented in the 1800s, but

14:50

popularized by

14:53

nineteen hundred, there were six hundred thousand.

14:55

By nineteen 052 point two million

14:57

phones. And by nineteen ten, there

14:59

were five point eight million

15:01

phones. But this was before the transcontinental

15:03

telephone line,

15:04

which started in nineteen team. So you're -- Right. --

15:06

would

15:06

not have been they could probably call cross town,

15:08

call the call 901

15:09

call whatever, but not I don't think they had 901

15:12

Call the police. And then but

15:14

not maybe make a love call late

15:16

at night. Love call.

15:18

Man, that means, like,

15:20

you

15:20

can't do, like, phone sex,

15:23

texting. You just gotta

15:25

write

15:25

it in a letter. Join

15:27

a nasty picture. Wait for weeks

15:30

to get the response.

15:32

It says I was

15:34

so horny I was so horny three weeks

15:36

ago when I sent that letter. Yeah.

15:38

And you're like, now I'm like busy.

15:40

I've I don't wanna sit down and, like, read this

15:42

space. Save it for a rainy day.

15:46

BonFool was not the only suitor

15:47

Isabelle had her eye on. Her

15:50

husband began working with a man named Frank

15:52

Kenwood in early nineteen eleven. Though

15:54

he was

15:54

not piloting a balloon like Van

15:56

Fool, Inwood was close in proximity

15:59

and frequently

15:59

spent time with the springers, both in

16:01

downtown Denver and at the couple's

16:03

ranch on the outskirts of town.

16:06

When Springer headed into town on

16:08

business,

16:08

Henwood sometimes stayed behind at the

16:10

ranch with his partner's young

16:12

wife. A

16:13

maid would later testify to Henry's

16:15

sleeping in an adjoining bedroom with

16:17

the young missus Springer, though only

16:19

one of the two beds ended

16:21

up unmarried. That

16:22

was, like, your maid turning

16:25

on you

16:25

is such a backstabbed. Dude,

16:28

like, this is my

16:29

celebrities. You have to sign like NDAs and

16:31

shit when you go to work for them, because you can't be spilling

16:33

their tea everywhere? Mm-mm. That

16:35

made with rut d, which there was some

16:37

talk in the in the

16:40

reports of the time that maybe missus Springer

16:42

wasn't super nice to her maid.

16:44

Oh, well, she saw an opening. I

16:46

was like, I'll get you bitch. Right. Now

16:48

here's my thing. why is

16:50

Springer trusting

16:52

Henwood to stay back at the

16:54

house and spend the night with his

16:56

wife while he's not there?

16:58

He's

16:58

got an arrangement. You know,

17:00

if it's open marriage, I'm fine with that. I

17:02

believe what it was was that Springer was he

17:04

was managing, like, five different businesses. He did

17:07

banking, ranching, there was I mean, he was

17:09

always in and out of town. He would go to New York.

17:11

Sometimes Isabelle would go with them, and

17:13

sometimes Henwood would also go

17:15

with them. And That's what's I guess he's a business

17:17

partner, that makes sense. Yeah. And they would you know, he

17:19

would say, okay. I'm gonna go to this meeting. Don't leave her

17:21

alone. Can you stay with her? And

17:23

Edward was he's kinda shady in this

17:25

whole thing because he would always be like, I'll I'll take care of

17:27

your wife. Yeah. You will. Take care of

17:29

your wife. So I think if

17:31

Henry if Springer's like, oh, I'm gonna go to town and

17:33

do this bank deal. And Henry's like, oh, I'll stay

17:35

on the ranch and sell these cattle for you. Or

17:37

I'll stay and manage this for you. So

17:40

he was interestingly volunteering

17:42

to just go wherever

17:43

is above that. Meanwhile,

17:45

Springer is an unknowing cock.

17:48

He's getting cooked by his own partner,

17:50

his own business partner. It's but then

17:52

later well, we'll get to the

17:54

another question I have later about Wynwood.

17:58

As her relationship with Henry heated

17:59

up, Isabel kept regular correspondents

18:02

with Bon Fuhl. She increased

18:03

her letters to him beginning in January of

18:06

nineteen eleven and continued through May of

18:08

that year. In one letter

18:10

dated May twentieth, she asked Von

18:12

Vool to come to her according to

18:13

murder at the Brown Palace.

18:16

Eager to

18:16

see her, BonFool hopped on a train

18:18

and headed that way on May twenty third.

18:21

Meanwhile, in Denver, Israel

18:23

was torn between the two men she

18:25

loved. Bon Fuhl, and Hennwood,

18:28

and the one she was married to,

18:30

John Springer. Well,

18:31

this kills me because Hennwood was like, Well,

18:33

you

18:33

can't cheat on me with Von

18:36

Fool, and it's like, hey, buddy.

18:38

I'm cheating on my husband with

18:41

you. Really? that's the one I shouldn't be

18:43

cheating on. Yeah. The only one

18:45

who has any rights to get mad is Sean

18:47

Springer and he just didn't know what's going on. He's just

18:49

running around. yeah, hundreds of

18:51

stars. I mean, I don't we don't have any

18:53

proof of this. I it wouldn't

18:55

be a big leap

18:57

to think. sprinkers also

18:59

having some extramarital affairs

19:01

during his travels and stuff like that.

19:03

Yeah. And he just don't care. Yeah. And

19:05

that that's I also wonder

19:07

if, like, maybe he kinda knew what was going

19:09

on between them and just didn't mind

19:11

because he had a

19:13

younger, hot wife on his arm and he's

19:15

like, hey, whatever. you know, I'm doing my thing

19:17

you do

19:18

yours. When they you're right because when

19:20

they first got married, they said Springer would, like, make

19:22

sure she was in photos with him. Mhmm. And, like, they

19:24

would go and, you know, if they were going

19:26

downtown, like, ride in a a way that she was

19:28

really spotted and, like, she was the society woman

19:30

and trophy wife. A hundred percent.

19:33

Yeah. Yeah. he wanted to be the

19:35

mayor, and he wanted what he he, like, lost

19:37

his mayor already. So then he kinda became, like,

19:39

money in politics guy. So he was

19:41

very image based. I think he

19:42

probably didn't really care which

19:44

she was doing it was just like, but look at my beautiful life.

19:47

Mhmm. It's also not a far

19:49

leap that

19:50

if someone

19:51

cheats on their spouse to be with

19:54

you. You can't be super shocked

19:56

if they turn around and cheat on you with

19:58

somebody else. Yeah. That's

20:00

true. Once

20:02

Bon

20:02

Fool got to town, things

20:04

turned messy. Missus Springer's

20:06

two suitors clashed publicly in

20:08

the hotel lobby. nearby department

20:11

store, and in BonFool's room.

20:13

The main issue between them was the custody

20:15

of the letters Isabelle had sent to

20:17

BonFool in St. Louis. he

20:20

threatened to send them to her husband,

20:22

lest she break up her relationship with

20:24

Hinnwood. For his part, Hinnwood

20:26

believed he could talk

20:26

since in the VonFool and convince them to keep

20:28

the letters private. That's the problem is

20:31

you got this buttoned up. Pinwood was like a wine

20:33

salesman. He was like more like thought he could

20:35

talk his way into anything. Tony

20:37

Vaughan was a balloonist who didn't give a fuck

20:39

and would get, like, he wasn't, like, in bar fights,

20:41

but he was a big, burly, beefy

20:43

guy he outweighed inward by, like, forty pounds and was, like,

20:45

you're not gonna tell me what to do. Nobody

20:48

tells me what to do. There

20:49

was a lot of testosterone flying

20:51

around the lobby of the brown palace.

20:54

But here's my question. I

20:56

I

20:56

feel like the the

20:59

anger

20:59

is

21:00

misdirect.

21:07

Alright. Well, the last

21:09

one we have.

21:10

Well, I think you'll

21:11

enjoy it. Okay. I hope.

21:13

I've been going out with a fairly religious

21:16

girl. After

21:16

a few months, she broke up with

21:18

me. because every time I got an erection,

21:20

I kept saying he has

21:22

risen.

21:26

Man, is

21:28

that

21:28

it? That's it.

21:31

Honestly, but worth

21:33

it though. Wait. He she broke up with him. Yeah.

21:35

I would it wouldn't be that. It's why I

21:37

wouldn't

21:37

have broken up for that. I would have broken up

21:39

because they were really religious. Well, he I would

21:41

have thought the joke But he

21:43

broke up with him, I guess, because of his

21:45

joke. He was willing to date her. Wait.

21:47

She was really religious? Yes. He said,

21:49

I was dating a fairly religious

21:52

girl. Okay. I thought he was

21:54

the religious one. This is even funnier now.

21:56

So she was she was the religious one,

21:58

and

21:58

he was

21:59

saying yes. risk. Yes, really. good. Every mile. I

22:02

think it's a good bet. But if

22:04

I I think you stick with that bet. If I

22:06

was offended by it,

22:08

then I would have broken

22:10

up with them too. Yeah. You know what? Eventually,

22:12

down the

22:12

line, they were gonna break up. Now at least they

22:14

both have a funny story about it. And they're like,

22:16

oh my gosh, what happened to Trevor? He seemed

22:18

really nice, and she's like, What?

22:21

Every time you get in touch let

22:23

me tell you

22:23

about his direction. Was it weird? No. It was great. It

22:25

was beautiful. Oh, was it like it came in up a

22:27

few times. No. It was perfect. On time.

22:30

happened? Did he say, bad a being or

22:32

something? What? Bazinga? No. She

22:34

would say he would say it he

22:36

has risen. inappropriate. I'm

22:38

glad you broke up

22:39

the thing. Why are you a good

22:41

man that

22:41

just says the bingo or

22:43

bada

22:44

bing?

22:45

We'll, like, we'll

22:46

take a glamour.

22:49

I'll take

22:51

ah

22:52

Giddy up. I'll even take and get

22:54

her done.

22:57

And if

22:59

they have a clown horn,

23:00

that's okay too. But

23:03

he

23:04

has risen. That is inappropriate,

23:06

and I think

23:09

you

23:09

did the right thing. and

23:11

then God loves you.

23:15

Amen. Amen. Amen. What

23:17

a night we've had, ladies and

23:19

gentlemen.

23:23

here. Callback, Lenny said all I'm

23:25

thinking about is the costume you showed us with the

23:27

boner. You're talking about scalableer?

23:29

Well,

23:32

this

23:35

next one, like I said, is not doesn't give it

23:38

away. It I think I've destroyed my

23:40

marriage. My wife refuses

23:42

to see me or

23:42

speak to me. I'm not even allowed to

23:44

know where she is. Oh, yikes.

23:48

I

23:48

don't know if this goes here or not,

23:49

but here goes. I made a

23:51

friend at the gym, let's call him

23:54

David. We got on well and the friendship

23:56

started to translate to just

23:58

to outside of just being gym

23:59

buddies. We

24:00

regularly hung out after work or after the

24:03

gym, and it was really nice having a

24:05

new friend I could spend time with.

24:07

Almost three weeks ago, I invited him over my

24:09

house to have dinner with me and my wife.

24:12

My wife and I cooked dinner, and at some point,

24:14

her sister-in-law called asking if her

24:16

three year old son left his alligator socks

24:18

at our house, as he refuses to

24:20

breathe until he gets them back. He did leave it

24:22

at our house, so my wife

24:24

decided to drop it off. While

24:25

my wife was away, David

24:28

arrived. All

24:28

was going well until my wife got

24:31

back home and saw David.

24:33

When she walked in, she just suddenly started

24:35

screaming. And I mean, she was letting out

24:37

some blood curdling screams. She

24:39

was just screaming for David to

24:41

get out of our house and began waving a knife

24:44

around. David left and I tried to

24:46

ask her what happened, but she honestly

24:48

couldn't talk as it seemed like she was having

24:50

a stroke or a heart attack. So

24:52

I called for an ambulance and she was admitted

24:54

to the hospital for having a severe

24:56

panic attack. She was

24:58

hospitalized for three days and she did not speak the

25:00

entire time to literally anyone. On

25:02

her release date, she just left the

25:04

hospital and no one would tell me where

25:06

she was. I've called everyone we

25:08

know and no one will speak to me or tell

25:09

me where she is. Finally, her

25:11

sister texted me a long text that was full

25:14

of expletives but it

25:16

did explain what I did

25:18

wrong. David was the man

25:20

who took her hostage for nine days when

25:22

she was twelve and stock her for seven

25:24

years until he went to prison for

25:25

another crime. He was

25:27

never punished for what he did to

25:30

my wife. I mean, my jaw fell to

25:32

the ground. I knew about this incident

25:34

as she had told me about it from the

25:36

beginning. I just don't know how I didn't

25:38

recognize him. I don't know how to fix

25:40

this. She refuses to see me or

25:42

speak to me, and I don't even know where she

25:44

is now.

25:46

Is that

25:47

it? There are

25:49

some follow-up questions. There are some follow-up answers

25:51

to questions. Would you like those? Yeah.

25:53

My jaws on the floor because that is

25:55

not what I expect did. Yeah.

25:57

When

25:57

you walk in and that you

26:00

think you're safe. I mean, years later, it

26:02

doesn't have ages, but, you

26:03

know, twenty years later, probably if you're

26:06

younger twenty, twenty five years later, to answer

26:08

some

26:08

repeatedly asked questions. The

26:10

OP writes, yes, I called the police,

26:12

but according to them, he has not

26:14

committed a crime. I invited him

26:16

into our home and it's not illegal to give

26:19

someone a fake name or to be friend

26:21

me. Yes, I've seen pictures of

26:23

him. I just forgot what

26:24

his face looked like. I don't know

26:26

how I forgot, but I

26:27

just did. I saw pictures of him when

26:29

he was in his late twenties, and I

26:31

saw like three prison pictures of him

26:33

taking around twenty seventeen to

26:34

twenty eighteen. Yes, he

26:36

does look different now from all those pictures,

26:39

but not enough for me to not

26:41

recognize him. I really don't have a reasonable

26:43

excuse for not recognizing him.

26:45

To

26:45

answer your question, yes, it

26:47

is clear that David had planned this. Oh,

26:49

that's what I was thinking. he

26:51

clearly befriended me to get to my wife.

26:53

He also gave

26:54

me a different name than his real

26:57

name. I don't know where my wife is as I am

26:59

no longer trusted. I'm not

27:01

allowed to know her family and friends

27:03

have completely frozen me out. People

27:05

have literally changed their numbers and

27:07

privateed all their social media. I

27:09

mean, this isn't their first rodeo with this

27:11

man. My wife was keeping track of

27:13

him, but he was released earlier from

27:15

prison, but the records were not updated. we

27:17

were both under the impression that he was still

27:19

in prison. But he was released

27:21

in early December last year and

27:23

went straight back to stalking her.

27:25

and I let him into our lives into her

27:27

private space.

27:28

Of course, I regret my actions. I wish

27:30

I recognized him earlier on, but

27:33

I didn't. At the

27:33

time of the crime, he was twenty two

27:35

and she was twelve. She knew

27:37

him through his step brother, a

27:40

fellow student. He had

27:40

his own place and it was the party house

27:43

where all the kids went to. So he was the

27:45

cool guy who hung around the teens

27:47

and preteens and also sold

27:48

them drugs from alcohol to heavy

27:51

stuff. Her

27:52

family did try to get it to go to court, but

27:54

it was dropped by the prosecutors. He also

27:56

claims she was his girlfriend and

27:58

that she had run away

27:59

from home. It was

28:00

known that she had a crush on him at the time, and

28:03

his lawyers twisted it up to fit

28:05

his claim of her being his secret

28:07

girlfriend. She's twelve Yeah.

28:09

There's That doesn't matter if she wanted to

28:11

be his girlfriend. That's illegal.

28:13

No defense. It was a combination of

28:15

slut shaming her due to her having a

28:17

crush on him. and having visited his home on her

28:19

own accord. Lack of physical evidence,

28:22

her inability to speak on the stand as

28:24

she was too traumatized, her

28:26

vulnerable home life, her father was going through chemo at

28:28

the time, and the unwillingness of

28:30

the prosecutors to go after him. The

28:33

stocking was taken slightly serious at

28:35

the time and he was ordered stay away from her, but he

28:37

report repeatedly broke the order. The

28:39

one time he was punished by the judge, he was

28:41

only given a few days in jail, So

28:44

he just continued to her for years

28:45

until he was arrested for another crime.

28:48

And he was

28:49

He held

28:51

her hostage for nine days,

28:53

that what it said?

28:55

yeah Yeah. What

28:57

was the other part that he did?

28:59

Stocked

28:59

her for seven years until he went to prison

29:01

for another crime. So

29:03

he knows her twelve years old. He

29:05

holds her hostage for nine days when

29:07

she's twelve. Mhmm. She

29:10

get out of and then just stocks her, not just

29:12

I mean, in addition to, he stocks

29:14

her for the following seven years till he

29:16

goes to

29:17

jail. Yep. And then it sounds like was in jail up

29:20

until late twenty eighteen

29:22

or yeah. No.

29:23

December of twenty twenty one

29:25

got to

29:26

be friends with her husband to

29:29

get to her again. That's

29:31

so creepy. That's such a

29:33

long time to obsess

29:35

over someone. It is

29:36

and the amount of months, it's

29:38

a pretty short time between when he was

29:40

out of jail in December of twenty

29:43

twenty one, And this post was from September

29:44

of twenty twenty two. God, he didn't

29:46

waste any time. because he said

29:48

a few months ago, I I made

29:50

friend at the gym. So, I mean, he got out of jail and

29:52

immediately he's like, go look

29:54

on the Internet. Probably, if you checked in

29:56

at the gym, you know that she married this

29:58

person. It's so the web of social media

30:00

is so scary because I can have all my

30:02

stuff private. But if you, which at this

30:05

point, I had a person stock me and

30:07

I'm like, I just I can't. But with the show, you know,

30:09

everything's gotta be kinda open, whatever.

30:11

Mhmm. But even if my stuff was private,

30:13

there's so much stuff of

30:16

friend post a picture of you and their stuff

30:18

happens to be public. Now that person's like,

30:20

oh, they work at this Starbucks. So I'm gonna

30:22

go befriend that barista, that bucks and be

30:24

like, hey, do you ever, you know, have dinner

30:26

parties? Maybe I could you know, like, very

30:28

insidious.

30:29

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30:32

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