0:14

Once again, joining me is there dude named Ben?

0:16

Named Ben? How are you, Ben?

0:19

Better than I was last night.

0:20

Yeah.

0:21

This is the third time we've had this conversation.

0:24

well. I don't mind having the same conversation

0:26

over and over. It it's totally normal.

0:28

Yeah, it's all good. So, We

0:30

started this conversation right

0:33

when the Nord Stream tube blew up. You and I had a

0:35

phone call and started talking

0:37

about, Oh, holy shit, what's going on? Last

0:40

night we tried to record the podcast, but

0:42

it, was too late and

0:44

just didn't work out for a few different reasons.

0:47

One of which, me being inebriated after

0:49

a day of football.

0:50

You wanna admit to that? That's fine. I was gonna say we

0:52

had technical issues, but, Okay.

0:54

Yeah. Yeah. Hey I'm a open and

0:56

honest guy, and people who

0:57

dollars donation to us. I'm gonna

0:59

send you a copy of that conversation. right.

1:02

Next.

1:04

dammit.

1:05

Why, Hey man, this is how you get donations.

1:08

You give people something they wanna hear. So

1:10

we've had this conversation a few times, but

1:12

now we're having it recorded and

1:14

everybody's feeling good. So

1:17

yep.

1:18

the pipeline

1:19

supposedly in Mexico,

1:21

I am in mix. I'm on vacation. I'm enjoying

1:23

Mexican indication right now.

1:25

Uhhuh,

1:26

Yes.

1:26

Drive vehicles for some reason.

1:28

I don't see how that makes

1:30

it, there's cars of all types in all countries,

1:33

so Matter at all. And either way, I'm,

1:35

I'm sitting out here in the sunshine and enjoying

1:37

life. That's what I'm doing. Not thinking

1:40

about the impending nuclear war at

1:42

all.

1:44

Well, the, the thing is, I, it

1:47

seems that every time I turn around

1:49

we are inching closer and closer to that

1:51

Feels like it, doesn't

1:53

thing.

1:54

it?

1:54

it does, it feels like it's a

1:57

inexorable march towards

1:59

World War ii. Like, it? is

2:02

so. It's done.

2:05

This is what we're going to be doing now.

2:07

I don't see much turnaround,

2:09

Yeah. and it really sucks cuz I've still

2:11

got another like nine months

2:14

before my nuclear war

2:16

products are ready. So

2:18

it's bad timing all the way around.

2:20

nine months that long.

2:22

Oh dude, are you kidding? From design to

2:24

actual availability on Amazon,

2:26

nine months is short.

2:28

Well, all I can say is we're being gas

2:30

lit. So. US Media

2:33

and Congressman even,

2:35

Glenn Beck said

2:37

Glenn Beck was going, Hey,

2:39

we did this because you know what, it's

2:42

pretty fucking obvious that the West did this.

2:44

It was either the United States or It, was.

2:47

Those are the only two realistic options

2:49

to say that Russia bombed their own

2:51

pipeline is just asinine.

2:52

it seems fascinating. So since

2:55

we tried recording yesterday, I actually watched another

2:57

video this morning and I posted that note

2:59

on social with one of

3:01

the military

3:03

retired folks, I can't remember his

3:05

name. That has been. Popping

3:07

up here and there and talking about where we are. And he

3:09

was, he's not been

3:12

bought by the the current administration.

3:14

So he is actually talking reality. And

3:16

I thought it was very fascinating

3:18

that he thought that

3:21

it's 100% not Russia

3:23

did this. There's

3:25

certainly some possibility the US did this.

3:28

There's also a pretty good possibility that

3:30

Poland did this.

3:33

Poland, I don't think has the capability

3:35

the only one spreading the Poland message here

3:37

now.

3:38

Do you think Poland has the capability

3:40

though? I mean, we're talking fairly deep

3:42

and you know this was not a trivial exercise.

3:45

This pipeline

3:46

to, this is the trap that people always

3:48

get caught in. When

3:50

dealing with governments, both

3:53

US government and internationally,

3:55

is this idea. It was like, did Poland

3:59

do it? And most people are thinking,

4:01

Okay, so Poland's gonna have some Polish

4:03

Special forces divers going

4:05

down there to plant some minds. No,

4:08

it was probably done by

4:10

freelancers. So

4:12

any country could have paid

4:14

for this, literally any country on the planet

4:17

because if you do something

4:19

like this and including if the US did it, and

4:21

including if ER did it, there's

4:23

no way in hell you're gonna

4:26

use your country's military forces

4:28

to do this. This is a freelance operation,

4:32

and given that it's

4:34

gonna

4:34

Just for plausible deniability.

4:37

Any country hell, any

4:39

rich billionaire that wants to

4:41

do this could do it. It really

4:44

doesn't matter because you're never

4:46

going to utilize official

4:49

government employees to do something

4:51

like this, ever. So

4:53

yeah, plausible deniability because

4:55

then you can sit there in front of Congress

4:58

three years later or whatever and then. No.

5:00

We are not at all spying

5:02

on US American citizens because

5:06

we're not, because we have five eyes

5:08

and we have every other country spying

5:10

on Americans

5:12

Yeah, we're not, but the UK

5:13

because it's all in how

5:16

they use the language. And this is

5:18

why, I mean people, let's give

5:20

credit where credit is, do at least.

5:23

The NSA was smart enough. We

5:25

had enough lawyers talking to them to say,

5:28

If we wanna do this, we certainly

5:30

have the technical capability to do it,

5:33

but we can't have our fingerprints over it.

5:35

Now here are some legal

5:38

actions that we can take to

5:40

be able to spy in Americans and not spy

5:42

in Americans, and that is by

5:44

providing access to our

5:46

super high end snooping equipment to

5:49

other friendly countries. And

5:52

then having them spy in the Americans, which

5:54

technically allows us to answer that question.

5:56

Negative.

5:57

And then shared the information across.

6:00

Well, of course. But the point, it'd

6:02

be bad if the NSA was spy in Americans,

6:04

but I think it's kinda worse having that

6:06

outsource to some third rate

6:08

European countries.

6:10

Yeah, to an extent. But at the same

6:13

time,

6:13

I'm gonna get spy on, I'd rather have

6:16

my own country.

6:17

eh, I'd rather just not be SP on

6:20

though so

6:21

Fair enough, but given the no choice

6:23

to not be, It's like if you wanna get

6:26

advertisements popping up, would

6:28

you rather get ads in English or Chinese?

6:30

I just block the ads.

6:32

But if you can't,

6:36

At point taken, man, but it, what it comes

6:39

down

6:39

trying to say, obviously it's better to not have the

6:41

ads and it's

6:42

What it comes down to is I don't think either

6:44

of us believe that Russia bombed

6:47

its own pipeline.

6:49

Yeah, AKA's Razor says there's no

6:51

way they did it. There's only one possible

6:53

way that they would've thought of doing

6:55

that, and that is if

6:57

they thought that there was enough

7:00

other countries that would believe

7:02

that the US would do it to

7:04

be able to. Essentially

7:06

do it just to put blame on the us.

7:09

But I don't think they've got that

7:11

mass of countries that are ready

7:13

to flip flop and go to the Russia side

7:15

right now. And that's yet another

7:17

thing that makes me think there's no way in hell

7:19

they did it. Because it is,

7:22

the example that I've used before is

7:24

it's literally like shooting yourself

7:26

in the foot in your own foot because

7:29

you're too lazy to take off your shoes.

7:31

And then this example of taking off the shoes is simp.

7:34

Flipping a freaking switch to cut

7:36

the gas flow. Like they

7:38

have the control of this stuff. They can

7:40

start and stop at any time they want, and

7:43

instead they choose to blow

7:45

up the pipeline. What?

7:48

Yeah, the only argument that I've heard is

7:50

using it as something to

7:52

basically as a rice dog moment

7:54

to, as a rallying cry. But it,

7:57

that would've made sense before the mobilization,

8:00

right? So If this had happened before

8:03

the mobilization and then this is

8:05

the impetus and the excuse for the mobilization,

8:08

then that argument could possibly

8:10

make sense. But right now

8:12

It's just so unlike. Yeah.

8:15

It just makes very little sense.

8:17

I do like the theory and we talked about

8:19

it when this happened that Tim Pools

8:22

actually come out with now as well, but

8:24

you And I, talked about it first, granted

8:26

in private, but of so we have no proof,

8:28

No recording didn't happen.

8:30

Yeah. But, Well, I don't know. You may have a recording.

8:32

You record everything, right?

8:34

fair enough. Used to, I don't know, man. Some

8:36

of that gear is just starting to break down, like all

8:38

the microphones around the house, everything. Everyone

8:40

knows what works anymore

8:43

Well, the other possibility that's in

8:45

this outside of the US doing this to

8:47

motivate

8:48

or Poland.

8:49

well, China doing it

8:51

to put Russia

8:54

and the US on this

8:57

collision course that we seem to be on.

8:58

Which is good for China. I mean, China,

9:00

I've

9:01

Well, it pushes Russia towards China.

9:03

It's the big benefactor in this

9:05

whole mess that we're in right now, because

9:08

it's not focused on them, gives

9:11

them a lot more leeway

9:13

and it gives them an opportunity to even

9:16

look benevolent as they're trying to

9:19

say. China's official statement on this right

9:21

now is that they hope that the

9:23

two sides can come to some type. Of

9:25

negotiation of an agreement and end

9:27

this. I mean, they're totally playing that card

9:29

right now.

9:32

Well, and as they should if

9:34

your Chinese China is doing exactly

9:36

what you want your government to be doing

9:38

in

9:39

yeah. Which I think they're doing a better job

9:41

because they're providing that sort

9:43

of formal like, Hey guys, you should really.

9:46

Fix this about yourselves

9:48

hey guys, knock it off.

9:50

Yeah, exactly. Hey guys, knock it off.

9:53

Meanwhile, and another video that I

9:55

posted this morning, there was

9:57

a clips of

9:59

I can't even remember who it was, Somebody from the

10:01

White House. So, one of the by

10:03

the administration folks talking

10:05

about how this is a good thing that the

10:07

pipeline, So this is already after

10:11

Biden and Victor

10:13

Newman got they were on video months

10:15

ago talking about how yeah,

10:18

if Russia invades, they on these pipelines

10:20

are gonna get turned off permanently.

10:22

in February, Biden said,

10:25

if Russia invades the Nord Stream,

10:27

two won't happen. The reporter

10:29

said, Well, how you, you

10:31

don't control it? Germany and Russia do?

10:33

And he said, Oh, we have our ways. So

10:36

I mean

10:37

And there's a similar quote from Victoria Newland

10:39

from that timeframe, and now today this

10:41

guy, or yesterday from the administration

10:44

comes out talking about how this is a great thing,

10:46

that the pipeline is shut off. It's another,

10:48

nail on the coffin of Putin and. It

10:51

just bring us that much closer to victory over

10:53

Russia.

10:54

Nailing the coffin of many Europeans.

10:57

Well, yeah, fuck they, you apparently, but,

10:59

Here's the thing. Even if the US

11:01

didn't do it, by making those statements

11:04

Newland and Biden opened

11:06

the door for us to be just scope,

11:09

scapegoated And blamed. Yeah.

11:13

And they're not. That's my point in this

11:15

is that they're not helping themselves cuz they keep coming

11:17

out with more statements about it that

11:19

makes it look like this is

11:22

something the US has always wanted and

11:24

has got. And it made me

11:26

think too, in, in

11:28

there's something I didn't bring up when we were trying to record yesterday

11:31

that I think makes a little bit more

11:33

sense now, is so. This

11:36

definitely fucks over Europe a

11:38

week. Europe is not a bad

11:40

thing for Russia, but it is a great

11:42

thing for the US and

11:45

so I really started thinking about

11:47

it as well. US isn't

11:50

in any, there's no negative

11:52

effect on the US if Europe

11:54

fails, if Europe goes down. In

11:56

fact, some of the best

11:59

times for the US was post

12:01

World War ii. When they

12:03

were doing land lease deals with

12:05

all the European countries when

12:08

they were making loans. These

12:10

are not grants, these are loans to

12:12

Europe in order to

12:14

provide them basic life

12:16

necessities. Like,

12:18

US was shipping grain,

12:21

they were shipping durable tools.

12:23

They were shipping things that Europe

12:26

had lost during World War ii.

12:29

and if there's one thing that can keep

12:32

the US economy afloat, given

12:34

our current situation, it

12:36

is, Well, there are two things. One

12:38

war, two,

12:42

having a Europe that is fully

12:44

dependent on the US for

12:47

its livelihood. What better way

12:49

to ensure that the dollar remains

12:52

at least somewhat

12:53

Well, I mean, if we engaged in a

12:56

Neo al plan as you're describing,

12:58

through liquid natural gas farm

13:00

goods, especially with the Netherland Netherlands

13:02

backing off and everything else. I don't think

13:05

it would just be lip service. I think the dollar would

13:07

stay very dominant and,

13:09

it would be a huge boost to our economy,

13:11

to the point where

13:12

the cost of Europe.

13:14

It would stave off youth,

13:16

the disease, and I can't pronounce that word,

13:18

trap with China. I mean,

13:20

we would outpace China at that point to

13:22

the point where,

13:24

the US has to be

13:26

the factory and I use

13:28

that term loosely because not everything is

13:30

a manufacturing thing, but if the US has

13:33

to be the engine for Europe to

13:35

get Europe back on its feet, Post

13:37

this awful, explosion

13:40

of the pipeline that clearly Russia did

13:42

well, US is coming across as the savior

13:45

of Europe and saving the US

13:47

dollar in the process. So that

13:49

I think is a very reasonable

13:52

possibility right now as to

13:54

why the

13:55

I think you nailed it,

13:56

it is

13:57

I think you nailed it because I think that's what they're

13:59

going for. I think they're

14:01

going to push Russia to the point of.

14:04

Just short of World War ii, if that's

14:06

the case. But then, the gamble

14:08

that you're making is. that by

14:12

blowing up this pipeline, you haven't crossed a Rubicon

14:14

with Russia to the point where Putin's gonna say, Yeah,

14:16

no, fuck you, fuck your globalism.

14:18

Well,

14:18

I'm here to, kick ass and chew gum and a ma

14:21

even if the US blew up the pipeline

14:23

I mean, I don't know if you heard, Putin's response

14:25

was, We, it was actually

14:28

quite similar to to this

14:30

General's re or this politician's response,

14:32

or the, sorry military

14:35

dudes that I was watching respond, which is, the best

14:37

thing we can do, and I'm paraphrasing

14:39

Putin right now, is

14:41

just investigate

14:44

the situation and not

14:46

make any hasty decisions. And

14:49

I've said this before, and it continues to be

14:52

the case over and over almost

14:54

on a daily basis here. Putin

14:56

is the most moderate guy

14:58

in Russia, and it's amazing

15:00

how the US keeps wanting to portray him as

15:03

this totalitarian dictator

15:05

alternating between Hitler and Mu. But

15:08

the reality is that Putin

15:11

is the guy that he, in

15:14

some ways, he's like the anti. He

15:16

is never unpredictable. He's always

15:19

measured. He is always

15:22

looking at the options and

15:24

not wanting to make a choice that

15:27

could get him into a position he can't

15:29

back out of. And that's he is adhering

15:31

to Suns art of war whereas

15:35

the sort of off the cuff reactions

15:39

that are happening in the West are dis.

15:43

so I don't know, man I really just

15:46

started thinking that maybe this has

15:48

nothing to do with Russia, really for

15:50

the US It just has more to do with

15:53

getting Europe to become a

15:55

dependent state, much like it

15:57

was post World War ii. So

16:00

whatever we need to do, let's

16:02

just get there.

16:03

Yeah. And that's definitely possible.

16:06

Just real quick before we move off

16:08

the pipeline stuff, Billy Bone sent us

16:10

a note with the disruption in the Nord string

16:12

pipeline, he

16:13

Oh, the book,

16:13

a book. Yeah. Yeah. So

16:15

very interesting.

16:16

2034, a novel from

16:18

the Next World War. He sent this to me on

16:21

Friday. I started it, but, I haven't gotten very far,

16:23

obviously, but looks to be a pretty

16:25

interesting book, especially in,

16:27

conjunction with everything that's going on. So,

16:30

thanks Billy for the recommendation. Definitely.

16:32

Digging into that.

16:33

Yeah. Yeah. And I'll put it on my list as well,

16:35

but I guarantee you're gonna finish it. Well before I started,

16:38

so I know how fancy you read. I did

16:40

actually start.

16:43

Rereading a book. Cuz it's been about,

16:46

I don't know, 15 years since I read something like that

16:48

called the Company is a, I think in

16:50

my opinion, it is the best

16:52

written spy novel out there.

16:56

about the cia. I take it,

16:57

it is, yeah, it's historical fiction and

17:01

starts during the

17:03

1950s at the. The

17:06

postwar sort of beginnings

17:08

of the Cold War and

17:11

it goes all the way up

17:13

until the 1990s.

17:15

Robert Little.

17:16

Yeah. Yeah. I thought it

17:18

was lael. Is it little?

17:20

Little Lael hire.

17:23

But awesomely written very good

17:25

writing, very realistic.

17:27

Oh I've been told, and it's

17:29

a it utilizes actual

17:32

historical figures, which is great. So

17:34

without giving any of the plot line away, Putin

17:38

is in the book.

17:40

Interesting. Now I, Is this

17:42

Putin the politician,

17:44

or Putin the a KGB Officer.

17:47

You'll find out when you read it.

17:52

All

17:52

Yes. In the $400 donation, I'll give

17:54

away the ending. Oh.

17:58

Here's a little trick for you guys that

18:00

Gene goes from not wanting to do donations

18:02

or anything and feeling

18:03

Well, I checked, yeah, I checked my bank

18:05

account. I'm like, Yeah, I need to either get a job

18:07

or get donations coming in. So yeah. Here's

18:10

a little trick to save some money. So

18:12

if you buy, if you wanna buy, and it's

18:14

not just this book, it's a lot of books. Not every book,

18:16

many books. If you wanna buy the book

18:19

as an audio book on. There's

18:22

a whatever price for it. I think

18:24

this one happens to be 26 bucks or something like that

18:26

on Audible.

18:27

29. 39.

18:29

you go. 29.

18:29

now, and there's another one

18:31

that I, that's 2203

18:34

and I'm trying to see what the, difference

18:35

here's the trick. Here's the trick.

18:37

Uhhuh.

18:38

If you go to the Kindle store, you can

18:40

buy it for four bucks or three bucks.

18:43

I think three bucks right now. And

18:45

when you buy it for three bucks on King Amazon

18:47

upsells you the audible

18:49

version for just seven more dollars.

18:52

Huh?

18:53

get both for 10 bucks instead

18:55

of one for 29 bucks. So,

18:58

I always go the other way.

19:00

Try this way because it, I

19:02

think this is a better discount if you start

19:04

with the kind. And then they upsell you

19:06

the audiobook versus buying the audiobook

19:08

and then getting the Kindle upsell.

19:10

So I always do it when, whenever I'm

19:13

getting something, I always get the audio book and the Kindle

19:15

because that way I can go back and forth. And one

19:17

of the great things about that is they do the whisper

19:19

sync between them, Right. So

19:21

you can be reading, it's

19:23

got your place, you pick up the audio book,

19:25

or you're going to bed or whatever. You're listening

19:27

to the audio book. It's right where

19:30

you lift.

19:31

Well, I picked up a new Kindle. In

19:33

anticipation of sitting on the pool and

19:35

reading. So I've been doing some of that. And it's

19:38

it's

19:38

I sent you a list of countries that

19:40

have right hand drive cars

19:43

and Mexico's

19:44

Kindles have those than the, But

19:46

either way, it's this is my new

19:48

thing and I'm inviting anybody else that wants

19:50

to join me in rereading well, or

19:52

just reading it for the first time this book, because

19:55

as I'm not a super fast reader like

19:57

Ben, so I'm not gonna be finished by next weekend.

20:00

It'll.

20:00

fast reader.

20:01

It'll probably take me a month or more

20:04

to get this book read. And

20:06

so as I'm reading

20:08

in and if anybody else wants to start

20:10

from the beginning of that book and read as well,

20:13

post your comments, theories, questions,

20:15

ideas, or whatever, we can have a little discussion about

20:17

it. No agenda social.com. And.

20:19

Talk, talk as we're reading through, cuz

20:22

it's been long enough that I vaguely

20:24

remember what happened in the book, but

20:26

I couldn't really summarize. I just

20:28

remember it was a very well written book.

20:30

It was a great historical

20:33

fiction book and it

20:35

dealt of, I think, fairly accurately

20:37

with the activities going on

20:40

both sides of the air.

20:42

Well, at least we can, Hopefully

20:45

it depicts the CIA as a bunch of bumbling

20:47

idiots, because that's my impression of them.

20:50

Well, it, they're not that

20:52

flat of characters. I mean,

20:54

they're pretty well developed characters then, but,

20:57

Okay. It's interesting cuz

20:59

my the judge that

21:01

married my parents and family

21:03

friend, he was former CIA

21:06

and, he made

21:08

no bones about it. You never leave

21:10

the CIA. You don't you,

21:12

the company called him up multiple

21:15

times for trips to South America sort

21:17

of thing. And he's in his,

21:19

sixties as a judge

21:22

and quote unquote retired. So

21:24

Yeah.

21:26

Yep. Well, it is more of a calling

21:28

than a job.

21:29

Or more of a mob than a

21:31

job. Yeah.

21:33

Yeah, Yeah, same thing.

21:35

I mean, the mob and the ca the only

21:37

way else in a body bag, so, Okay. Interesting.

21:40

But it's, anyway, so that's

21:42

enough of a pitch on that. If somebody does

21:44

start reading it, just let me know and then I'll

21:46

Oh, I'm gonna read Billy Bone's book first,

21:48

but I'll I already bought the other one

21:50

there

21:51

You did. Okay. And you've never read it before.

21:53

Right. Okay. I'm curious

21:55

to see what you think and given

21:57

how long ago it was written, I think

21:59

it does a very, it's

22:01

still very applicable. It does a good job of

22:04

covering these topics that may be useful

22:06

for people that are younger, that haven't experienced

22:09

Sort of, topics or issues with

22:11

the the, in the Soviet

22:13

Union in the past Russian Now and

22:16

the US when things were flaring up? I

22:18

certainly wasn't around during the Cuban

22:20

Missile Crisis, Kennedy situation, although I'm

22:22

sure plenty of people think I was. But

22:24

I do remember when things got

22:27

pretty heated in the eighties, in

22:29

the early eighties, and it kind of seemed.

22:32

Nuclear war was. Yeah.

22:35

Like nuclear war. It's, Yeah. So a

22:37

few years before the collapse, like we were getting really

22:39

close to it. So,

22:41

yeah, it's I think for a lot of people

22:43

that grew up under Bill Clinton and

22:46

then George Bush, and their

22:48

only impression of danger

22:51

is terrorism. Like

22:54

that's the only. Bad guys

22:56

in, in, the post

22:58

Cold War era. And I think the US is aggressively

23:01

trying to change that image.

23:04

Yeah. Well, we're certainly

23:07

about to change it, aren't we?

23:09

It sure looks like it

23:11

Yeah.

23:12

and we're, and like we're still in Syria

23:14

we still have. About

23:17

a quarter of the country occupied by the us.

23:20

There's no mention around anything. There's no reports

23:22

from Syria on tv. Nothing's

23:25

happening. But the US

23:27

is taking about

23:29

a quarter to a third of Syrian oil

23:32

stealing it. Some people would say but in

23:34

the US controlled territories, all that oil

23:36

is getting pumped out and being sold off

23:38

by the.

23:40

Yeah, so

23:43

interesting thing. Russia

23:45

grew.

23:46

Yep.

23:48

I mean, man, that's a

23:50

huge shift.

23:53

Yeah. You mean added territory? Yeah.

23:55

Yeah. I mean now that the dom

23:57

bass and those four

24:00

alus or however, whatever the Russian word

24:02

for it is are now part of

24:04

Russia.

24:05

means region.

24:06

Yeah. It's administrative state or whatever.

24:09

Yeah. It's not as strong of

24:11

a term as state. That's why

24:13

I didn't wanna translate it to state, because it's

24:16

more like a county as far as.

24:19

Governmental power is

24:21

my understanding at least.

24:23

Yeah. I mean, they're gonna have representatives

24:26

in the Duma which is the The Russian

24:28

version of the, Congress?

24:31

So well, why don't

24:33

we start with this cuz I'm not sure I fully

24:35

understand Russian Federation

24:38

governmental system post

24:41

communism to the degree that I should.

24:43

Sure. Well, the Duma

24:46

is the lower house of the Federal

24:48

Assembly of Russia. It was actually started pre

24:51

communism. So

24:54

it was the, it was first

24:56

organized in a,

24:57

the czar.

24:58

well it, at the very last days of the

25:00

Czar, it was one of those sort of compromised

25:03

moves. Like, we're gonna have representation.

25:06

So if I may, it's equivalent,

25:09

I think it's more equivalent to the House of Commons

25:11

in the

25:12

Yeah, exactly. Well, Fair

25:14

enough. But it wasn't the Congress

25:16

based on the house.

25:17

To an extent, but the way

25:19

Congress is organized, especially from

25:21

a parliamentary standpoint, is drastically

25:24

different. So, yes, it is the people's

25:26

house. It is supposed to be the representation

25:29

of the common man, the way our

25:31

system is done is

25:34

not as parliamentary system, but

25:36

as a Congress that we have two houses.

25:38

One that is supposed

25:40

to represent the people and one that is supposed to represent

25:43

the states that no longer does,

25:45

but.

25:45

Yeah. So there's

25:47

another much less frequently

25:49

mentioned part

25:51

of the Russian Federal Assembly, which is

25:53

the Federation Council. Which as the.

25:57

The other house. So the Dumas, the like,

25:59

I guess the equivalent

26:01

to the house, and then the federal council

26:04

would be like the Senate. I mean, they're all slightly different, but

26:06

they're all kind of similar. It's a bunch of people

26:08

sitting around and talking, bickering,

26:11

whatever.

26:12

Voting.

26:13

yeah, voting,

26:14

to annex territory currently in dispute.

26:17

Well, no, I mean voting to recognize.

26:21

Legitimate vote of citizens

26:24

of a territory that had declared its independence

26:26

and desire to rejoin. Sounds very

26:28

similar to Texas, doesn't it? How Texas

26:30

used to be part of Mexico and then

26:32

there's some

26:33

We actually fought a war.

26:36

and

26:36

We were free and independent nation for

26:38

a while too.

26:39

And then

26:40

And then we made the biggest mistake of our lives

26:42

Yeah. So maybe these four regions

26:45

are gonna think exactly the same way. It's like, Hey,

26:47

we could have been free and independent. Why the hell

26:49

did we join Russia?

26:50

So, so here's the thing. The vote

26:52

in the dom bass, every

26:55

fricking region was over 90% to

26:57

rejoin Russia?

26:58

There was some in 87 I saw.

27:01

Okay. 87 Whoopty. I mean,

27:04

here's the thing. If people

27:07

are like, Oh, well,

27:08

a surprise? Because it

27:09

Wait. So here's the thing.

27:12

If Russia were faking these elections,

27:15

Those wouldn't be the numbers.

27:19

eh, I don't know if I agree with that. During Soviet

27:22

times,

27:23

Oh, during Soviet times? Absolutely.

27:26

Oh, absolutely.

27:27

felt 1% was enough to give the other

27:29

guys. Everybody else agrees.

27:32

And that was so clearly fake.

27:34

It's like, Oh, come on, why even bother? I,

27:36

Here's the thing that people I have to keep

27:38

in mind does that these regions

27:41

aren't someplace that Russia came and occupied

27:44

and now is forcing to join it. These

27:47

are regions that have literally

27:49

been bombed. The

27:52

country whose government was overthrown

27:55

for eight

27:56

bit. Go back a little bit before

27:58

that, before, was it Cruise? Jeff?

28:01

This was part of Russia, right?

28:03

It. yeah. It was well,

28:06

not all of it but

28:07

no, all of

28:07

Crimea do. Bass was Russian.

28:11

Ukraine is just

28:13

a territorial name.

28:16

It is not a state. So

28:19

Well, I mean, parts of Ukraine

28:21

we're Russian, Parts of Ukraine we're Polish,

28:23

and it,

28:24

over

28:24

it was created by the Soviets.

28:28

no, it wa Well, Ukraine was

28:30

created by the Soviets. Yes, that's absolutely

28:32

right. But that area, which

28:35

you mentioned and correctly had

28:37

been Something that has moved back and

28:39

forth. The Western, really Western

28:41

Ukraine, Eastern Ukraine has

28:43

very solidly been part of Russia,

28:45

but western Ukraine had

28:47

been at times controlled by

28:50

other countries. Like, was it lava

28:52

or Lithuania? I can't, I think it was Lithuanian.

28:55

So, Lithuanian and Poland

28:57

controlled it for quite a long period of time.

29:01

There's a period of time when the the the connet,

29:04

the, Angus k relatives controlled

29:06

it. There, there was various

29:09

points in time where it controlled, but for

29:11

most of the history of that region

29:14

it was controlled by

29:16

the same exact people

29:18

on government that was controlling

29:21

Moscow. So, whether you wanna call

29:23

'em Russians, whether, Ukraines want to. It's

29:28

I guess to some Ukrainians they would

29:30

say that Russia started in the region

29:32

of Ukraine and Kiev and then expanded out

29:35

and then separated from Ukraine. But

29:38

really and incidentally, Kiev,

29:40

I think was really where the Russian

29:42

Empire started. So if anything,

29:45

I think that's a more of an argument for saying

29:47

Kiev is one of the oldest Russian

29:50

cities always has been. And

29:52

that the term Ukraine, and I've said this

29:54

before, means borderlands.

29:56

So as the

29:59

border has

30:01

been invaded near that

30:03

part of the of the current

30:06

Ukraine, that

30:08

region has been owned by different

30:10

countries or ruled or conquered

30:13

or whatever. I think it was. And I, it's

30:15

either Lot Means or Lithuanians, I can't remember.

30:17

I think it was Lithuanians. Maybe

30:19

I'm wrong, but they control it for

30:21

quite a period of time. Poland controlled

30:24

it. Obviously Germany took over

30:27

that region right, pretty early on

30:29

in World War ii, that, that was their path

30:32

to Moscow was going

30:34

through Ukraine. So there,

30:37

there've been, and then like the the

30:39

ConEd states like Genus Cons,

30:41

relatives, they controlled for a while. So there've been

30:43

a number of different parties have controlled it. But

30:46

historically, if you look at the history

30:49

of Russia, which is about a thousand

30:51

years or so so it's still a fairly new

30:53

country compared to some of the other countries

30:55

like China, for example. But it's

30:59

been around that region

31:01

for a long time. And so what happened, I

31:03

think as you were pointing out, Ben, is that

31:05

the Soviet Union had sort

31:08

of created Ukraine

31:11

as a distinct region. And

31:13

I've talked about this as well, maybe not on our

31:15

show, but possibly with Darren,

31:18

that if you look at most

31:21

of the Soviet era,

31:23

leaders of the Soviet Union the premieres,

31:26

the guys that actually controlled things,

31:29

they were not from Moscow

31:32

or St. Petersburg or Central Russia.

31:35

They were mostly from southern

31:38

Russia, either on the side,

31:40

which would now be, I guess

31:43

once again in Russia, but at

31:46

some point in Ukraine. And Stalin,

31:48

who's probably one of the best known

31:50

of the Soviet leaders in the us. He

31:53

was from Georgia. So

31:55

there, it this Russia was not a bunch

31:58

of North European Russian

32:00

dudes running things during

32:02

the Soviet era. Now, during the

32:05

the time of the, the sars,

32:08

they absolutely were North European

32:10

because the last are Russian

32:12

Nicholas the second was a cousin of

32:15

the King of England. Was it

32:17

Edward? What was the guy's

32:18

Yeah, there

32:19

They were

32:19

interbreeding of the European royal

32:22

families is insanity.

32:24

Like in Russia 300 years

32:26

ago, and they started marrying off

32:28

the Russian males

32:31

to German females.

32:33

That there was a big incentive to really get

32:35

The King of England has

32:37

relatives that were Nazis. Let's just

32:39

put it that way,

32:40

Well, everybody did that. I mean, that's the thing the

32:42

Greek royalty Nazis, the Russian

32:45

royalties, Nazis, I mean, it's, this

32:47

is also why Hitler instantly,

32:49

I've read this and I, I believe it to be true,

32:52

did not think that there would be a

32:54

big response against German expansion

32:57

from either Russia or England.

33:00

Is

33:00

Well, actually, the Hitler

33:02

went further than that. He thought

33:04

that the English and the United States

33:07

would

33:07

with joint yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

33:10

So,

33:10

that's straight out mine comp. I mean, he flat

33:13

out said that he thought that

33:15

the US and England would be allies. And quite

33:18

frankly, the only reason why we had World War ii,

33:20

and this may be why we have

33:22

World War ii is because we had an

33:24

incompetent head of state that

33:26

chose war. And that was Winston Churchill,

33:29

by the way. If you go back and read Churchill's

33:31

war or anything, you realize that the

33:33

man was not only a

33:36

absolute drunk. And this is coming

33:38

from someone who says, I, I enjoy alcohol,

33:40

I mean, he was a bumbling drunk and broke.

33:43

Part of the reason why he pushed and did what

33:45

he did, he was a fraud. He still

33:47

sold counterfeit paintings. I mean, the Churchill

33:50

is not the guy when you really dig into

33:52

who he was, he is not the

33:54

way we portray him in modern

33:57

US

33:57

he's not a great statement. Well, come on.

33:59

Now. Everybody thinks he.

34:01

No, I mean, he was apparently

34:03

so drunk at some point that

34:05

the actor that did the voice of Winnie

34:07

the Poo on for the BBC

34:10

did some of his radio addresses.

34:12

I thought that was the Chinese guy.

34:14

Yeah, well,

34:15

The winning the poo.

34:17

I mean literally he, anyway

34:19

and he, Churchill did

34:22

lots of things. He knew that they were

34:24

going to bomb an area because they had broken Enigma

34:27

and chose not to evacuate

34:29

the area as to not reveal

34:32

that they had broken Enigma. But

34:34

Well, that's a trolley problem. I mean, that,

34:36

that comes up for most politicians at some

34:38

point in their lives.

34:40

yeah, I mean, I think there are some

34:42

other solutions around that,

34:43

9, 9 11 is a good example.

34:46

Yeah. Well, nine 11 wtc,

34:48

seven, man, it just,

34:50

But even outside of WT seven, I mean, if

34:52

you know that those buildings are gonna get hit,

34:54

which they. Then

34:57

you have to make the decision to not

34:59

evacuate them and not let people know.

35:01

And the decision to plant demolition charges.

35:04

Well, fair enough. But I don't even wanna go that far

35:06

into the, because there, there's a lot

35:08

of people that automatically dismiss

35:11

as soon as you start mentioning those, but ignoring

35:14

but

35:14

if they didn't exist. The fact is

35:16

we do know for a fact that

35:19

the Bush White House knew of

35:21

the plan of that

35:24

airplanes hitting. Now you can argue

35:26

about whose

35:27

And they found the

35:28

Arabian plan, was a US plan?

35:30

Was it,

35:31

magically found the passports. But anyway, what

35:33

it comes down to is I was a denier for

35:35

a very long time. I didn't wanna believe

35:37

that our government could do something like that. And

35:40

then the NTSB report, Or

35:43

not ntsb, The n report rather n came

35:46

out while I was a student

35:48

in college and I started

35:50

reading it and I looked

35:52

at the physics and the material science of it,

35:54

and I went, This doesn't make sense.

35:56

So I took it to a professor of mine and

35:59

I said, And an xr.

36:01

And I said, Does this make sense to you? And he said, No, this

36:03

is a completely wrong. And when I

36:05

showed him what it was from he went,

36:07

Oh, And it was silent after that. It

36:10

was one of those things that the temperatures

36:12

that they are saying had to have been achieved

36:14

or not physically possible from jet fuel.

36:16

It's just not. The building was literally designed

36:19

to take an airplane strike. No building

36:22

has collapsed, no skyscraper

36:25

before or since. Sure,

36:28

sure.

36:30

So you don't think thermite just spontaneously

36:32

appeared out of a jet plane?

36:34

No, I don't.

36:36

Okay.

36:36

For, first of all, you, the thermite

36:38

is aluminum and

36:41

iron

36:41

totally possible. Could

36:42

where's the iron oxide coming from?

36:44

building itself.

36:47

So the building is rusting away internally

36:49

Yeah.

36:50

and it magically happens in the right

36:52

proportions.

36:53

well twice, not just once.

36:55

Exactly. And by the way no

36:57

no skyscraper before or

36:59

since has collapsed from fire. So there's that.

37:02

And then you've got building seven, which is just

37:05

so blatant. Anyway,

37:07

regardless of that,

37:09

Yes. You just completely derailed our

37:11

topic and now people are going,

37:13

Oh, brother.

37:14

Huh. Well, anyway, World War ii Churchill

37:17

not a great guy. And

37:19

when, what happened, the reason why

37:21

I'm bringing any of this up and

37:23

looking at this is because when this

37:25

started, I flat out

37:27

said that the west is set. And

37:29

this goes to your theory about, the Marshall

37:32

Plan and everything else is

37:34

that we are setting hi Putin up to be the next

37:36

Hitler because we have a region

37:38

that was part of Russia, just

37:40

like, the hinter lens. We're part of Germany

37:43

and that's been taken away and

37:45

we have a genocide going on.

37:47

Yep.

37:48

And that's something that people are ignoring is

37:50

that po not Poland.

37:52

Ukraine was attacking this

37:54

area repeatedly,

37:57

Yep.

37:58

so,

37:59

It's it works out, I think

38:01

for the US if you do the math

38:04

because as

38:07

long as they can stay on this

38:09

side of nuclear weapons, use

38:11

Ifs are used, then all bets are off. Cuz it's

38:14

a brand new world

38:16

at that. Because

38:18

nobody really knows where

38:20

it goes, where it ends. Learn

38:22

long term effects. I don't just

38:24

mean medical effects. I mean all

38:26

long term effects of that. When we

38:28

have had large volcanic explosions,

38:31

Europe has gone dark when we've had

38:34

Cher Noble, which was just well I

38:36

think it was two reactors that went

38:38

unstable. Europe damn

38:41

near went dark. I mean, that, that

38:43

place, if there are even

38:46

tactical NUS used, can

38:48

get beyond recovery become

38:50

beyond any kind of short-term

38:53

recovery. So I

38:56

think that there's

38:58

a lot of lip service being paid. So

39:00

from the Russian side, and again, I

39:02

don't have any information that nobody

39:05

else does, it's just I can read more than one

39:07

language, but I don't think Russia is

39:09

going to be the first to use nukes.

39:11

That will be the us.

39:13

Really,

39:15

Yep.

39:16

I see no scenario

39:18

where the US goes first

39:20

strike without a threat

39:23

to US territory.

39:26

Well then we're in

39:27

saying is nukes aren't gonna, get used.

39:29

we're not gonna have nukes used then.

39:30

Can totally see Russia using

39:33

artillery or something in

39:34

Well, that's the impression you're supposed to have. So

39:37

what Russia is absolutely

39:39

going to start doing is

39:42

to stop only

39:44

focusing on military targets

39:46

and also start focusing on

39:49

infrastructure targets and

39:51

command and control targets, which includes Kiev.

39:54

So will Kiev start

39:56

getting bombarded? I think about

39:58

a 95% chance, yes.

40:01

I, yeah. I don't, I,

40:03

yeah. I wouldn't even quibble over the 5%.

40:06

I would say that they are

40:07

well there, there's always some percentage.

40:09

I, so I

40:10

they're gonna start using thermobaric weapons

40:13

routinely because they have a lot of 'em. They're

40:16

going to start doing things with the US

40:18

is going to be condemning nonstop

40:20

over and over. And like, we really, we

40:22

need to put a stop to this. The, these

40:24

Russian actions are completely unacceptable,

40:27

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

40:28

Of Putin's speech, I think that there's

40:30

going to be somewhat of a grace period

40:32

to allow Kiev to try and

40:34

reign it in if they want to. But

40:36

short of that I think they're going full

40:38

out.

40:40

yeah. the,

40:43

you said, Well, I don't see the US using weapons.

40:45

Well, again, here's the thing. Us

40:47

need needs pla deny

40:50

the plausible deniability. So

40:52

the US isn't going to say, Hey,

40:54

we're gonna start newing Russia. But

40:57

what the US absolutely

40:59

is likely to do, given that they were a provided

41:01

chemical agents and biological agents

41:03

to Ukraine, is they're going to start providing

41:06

nuclear material to Ukraine.

41:08

All right. Now, what chemical or biological

41:10

agents have we provided to Ukraine?

41:13

There's a shit ton of labs, dude. That,

41:15

Man, the LA labs. Okay,

41:17

Yeah. Well, where do you think they

41:19

came from? They were literally built by US

41:21

contractors and material

41:24

being sent from fort in Maryland

41:26

there. Dietrich. Yeah. I mean, this

41:28

is, again, this is like documented

41:30

publicly. This is not some secret operation.

41:32

The, so the true source of Covid 19

41:35

well, Covid 19

41:38

very likely did also come out of Fort

41:40

Dietrich via China, because

41:42

that's where Fauci had his little play lab.

41:44

The guy is dirty, man. I just, I can't

41:47

believe that he isn't in prison. anyway,

41:50

getting back to the Russia thing is if

41:52

Ukraine detonate a

41:54

dirty bomb either

41:57

on the new Russian territory

41:59

or the old Russian territory, then

42:02

yes, Russia will use nukes.

42:06

So

42:06

Ukraine has no nuclear

42:09

material. So if they do it,

42:11

well they do they have power plants

42:13

that have radiological material

42:15

in them, including trenoble,

42:18

that, Well, how many plants do they have

42:20

that are under control of Ukraine right now?

42:22

Cause I thought Russia took control of all the plants.

42:25

trenoble.

42:25

That's not still active,

42:27

It doesn't matter. There's still radiological material

42:30

there.

42:30

it? Never get disposed of.

42:32

Absolutely not. It's in the sarcophagus.

42:34

Are you kidding me? The elephant's foot, all that.

42:37

Okay. All right. Fair enough. So they're,

42:39

they've got access to Trenoble

42:43

sarcophagus.

42:45

App, they, if Ukraine

42:48

wanted to build a dirty bomb, they have access

42:51

to radiological material that could be used

42:53

to do that. And by the way,

42:55

if they do, there will be

42:57

nukes used,

42:58

Yeah, the, just for

43:00

everybody's edification, because there may be some people

43:02

who don't know what a dirty bomb is, they've just heard the

43:04

term dirty bomb is

43:06

basically taking a conventional explosive

43:08

and wrapping it in radiological material

43:11

to spread that radiological

43:13

material.

43:16

Yep. So it is essentially,

43:19

it's not on nuke, but

43:21

it is a bomb created to

43:23

spread

43:24

bomb is meant to harm

43:26

humans through

43:28

Yeah. It's, and

43:30

you could even detonated in

43:32

the at. What's

43:35

the term I'm thinking of at a pretty

43:37

high up so that it spreads with the wind

43:39

and everything. Yeah. Airburst it exactly.

43:41

So that it's not even gonna harm a building,

43:44

but it will make people

43:47

that are in the path of that be

43:50

completely contaminated.

43:52

Yeah, it definitely

43:55

dirty bombs have been put out and

43:57

theorized one has never been used,

43:59

but they've been talked about as a terrorist

44:01

weapon. So yeah.

44:05

So that's one thing. Now another thing

44:07

we talked about, I vaguely recall last

44:09

night, is the the Ukrainian

44:11

application tomato.

44:15

Very interesting timing because

44:18

does this trigger Article five automatically

44:20

if we admit them?

44:21

Yeah. And my thought was, well,

44:23

first of all, I think you were thinking that it's

44:25

not very likely that they're gonna be admitted.

44:27

no I don't think there's any way they're admitted.

44:30

yeah. And I, my thought is, I

44:32

think there is a chance, I wouldn't give it a super high

44:35

chance, but let's say a 20% chance that

44:37

they are admitted. Because nothing,

44:41

I mean, ultimately the rules

44:44

are created by the same countries

44:46

that are in nato, and they can change

44:49

those rules at any time and

44:51

say, Well, yeah, we're gonna admit Ukraine,

44:53

even though they are in the middle of a conflict.

44:55

But it's a treaty. So for

44:57

those rules to change, at least

45:00

from a US standpoint literally

45:03

what would have to happen is there would have

45:05

to be a amendment to the treaty

45:07

that would then have to be ratified by

45:10

the Senate. That is not just a trivial process.

45:12

It's not like NATO's governing body

45:14

could just change things.

45:16

billion to Ukraine willfully.

45:19

You don't think they're gonna sign document like

45:21

this?

45:21

The US Senate may, but I think

45:24

I, quite frankly, I think Turkey's gonna save us

45:26

from suicide here. I think there's no way

45:28

in hell Erdogan, especially

45:30

with his ties to Russia in the way

45:33

Turkey has been riding

45:34

likes to play both sides against the Minal.

45:36

Exactly. So I don't see him

45:38

doing that.

45:39

Well, but he was also pushing back

45:41

and saying there's no way that Finland

45:44

and Norway are gonna get admitted

45:46

And they haven't been yet.

45:48

and then, or did after a

45:50

few weeks of kind of back and forth said,

45:52

Okay, well we've had a conversation and now they are,

45:55

Well, they haven't been yet, but but

45:57

Turkey dropped their opposition. They

46:02

got what they wanted, whatever that was.

46:03

I don't think turkeys really dropped their opposition.

46:06

I don't think the vote has been tallied yet,

46:08

and I don't think that they are likely

46:10

to end up in nato. But

46:13

we'll see. The

46:15

EU and the Shing zone is

46:17

an entirely different thing.

46:19

Yeah, I meant they know. No, you're right. I said to

46:21

you I, Nate on that. Yeah.

46:23

Now I will say this, I, Erdogan

46:25

is not someone

46:27

I. Want to heat

46:29

praise on, I think very poorly of the man.

46:31

I told you last night about my friend, so

46:34

you know that's a whole thing. Yeah.

46:39

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, you had a,

46:41

So you had a college buddy that got killed by him.

46:44

Well one of my, one of my best friends

46:46

was Turkish guy his

46:48

dad and them came over

46:50

from Turkey. He was very

46:53

very political as far as

46:56

he was involved with. Turkey being

46:58

the secular country that it was

47:00

through the, sixties and up until

47:03

recently when the Gists

47:05

and the Muslim Brotherhood started in

47:07

his view and in my view,

47:10

tearing Turkey apart and

47:12

making them n into

47:15

a radicalized country versus

47:17

a a secular one. They

47:19

were bringing, two different versions

47:21

of Islamic Jihadism

47:24

too. Turkey and radicalizing Turkey

47:26

which is the Goins and the Muslim Brotherhood

47:28

are very much opposed. Erdogan is Muslim

47:31

Brotherhood, Fatel and Goland obviously

47:33

other side of that. Anyway, they moved back

47:35

to Turkey and My friend

47:38

Bora who is sadly passed

47:40

now was part of protests.

47:42

They were trying to fight. His parents

47:45

were very involved and then all

47:47

of a sudden at 30 he dies

47:49

of a heart attack in his bed and

47:51

it takes over six months to get the autopsy

47:54

results back. Anyway, needless

47:56

to say, I don't think my friend had a heart

47:58

attack and died.

47:59

Yeah. So. I

48:01

guess your point is just somebody that,

48:04

that is running that kind of government may be

48:06

the only thing that

48:07

Yeah,

48:08

from happening.

48:09

sadly enough. And I think that

48:11

the reason why he will not vote

48:13

for NATO's expansion into

48:15

Ukraine is because exactly

48:18

what you said, he likes to play both sides. It's

48:20

interesting cuz Turkey is a country

48:22

that is a member of nato, yet uses

48:24

some Russian weapons, which is actually

48:28

in defiance of the NATO treaty. So,

48:31

Yeah. Couple other interesting things outta a Putin speech

48:34

that I thought was interesting

48:36

is, he talked about the transgender

48:39

movement in the US and what we're doing

48:41

to our kids and call the satanists and

48:43

I'm sitting there thinking he's not

48:45

wrong.

48:48

Yeah, I guess if you're of the religious variety,

48:50

that's an interesting question is would

48:52

you take it to that extent? I've mentioned

48:54

before that Russia seems

48:57

to be statistically anyway,

48:59

more of a Christian country than the US

49:01

is in terms of a population that

49:03

believes in Ghost Church on a regular basis.

49:06

So I, I'm not horribly

49:08

surprised that Putin would say this, but

49:10

how does that, like what's your

49:13

reaction as a Christian type.

49:17

Well, I think we've taken our

49:19

secularism to an N degree

49:21

and, I really liked, I forget

49:23

who put it this way, but you wouldn't affirm

49:26

a bulimic or an anorexic,

49:28

right? You would say, Hey, you've got

49:30

something mentally wrong with you and

49:33

you need help. And, for

49:35

some of the gender dysphoric, transitioning,

49:38

maybe somewhat beneficial

49:40

at some point in time, but

49:43

to do what we're doing to children

49:45

and allowing this to happen to children

49:48

Yeah,

49:49

is insanity, huh? Yeah,

49:51

exactly.

49:51

refuses to get a boob job. I mean, look at

49:54

what he had to go through.

49:55

Exactly the streaming wars

49:57

of South Park is just hilarious,

49:59

by the way. Was

50:00

yeah. I liked how they come up with the big

50:02

streaming service of PPE Plus, which

50:04

they're running on Paramount plus. I

50:10

mean, they're literally just talking

50:12

about this bullshit. And

50:15

there a whole episode, I mean, there's a lot

50:17

of topics covered. Sorry to change the

50:19

focus here, but I just watched it. But

50:22

they're talking about how there's too many streaming

50:24

services and most of 'em are gonna die off.

50:26

And then clearly the kids got

50:28

into trouble because they're putting

50:30

their products on too many streaming services

50:33

and giving everybody an exclusive deal, and

50:35

they're not supposed to. And it's literally what South Park

50:37

did. They had an exclusive deal

50:39

with hbo and

50:42

then they did an exclusive deal

50:44

with Viacom, which is MTV,

50:47

where it used to be. And now

50:50

they've got two exclusive deals,

50:53

So they can't show any of their old

50:55

stuff on Viacom, but they don't

50:57

show any of their new stuff on hbo. It's

51:00

just like, it's confusing. And their own

51:02

website is owned by hbo, so

51:05

none of these new things are available

51:07

anywhere online, out

51:10

outside of the new network

51:12

that they've got a five year deal with which is

51:14

Viacom. So, yeah,

51:16

it's pretty crazy. So they literally, they just made

51:19

it and it's not even the freaking episode and

51:21

you have to buy it. Like, there are only two options

51:23

of watching the New South Park

51:25

which used to be free is

51:28

and on Hulu is either

51:30

you have to buy

51:33

each episode for 10 bucks a pop,

51:35

which is a crazy price they've set, they're selling

51:37

part one for 10 bucks and part two for 10 bucks.

51:39

Or you have to join the

51:41

the, what you would

51:44

call it plus, what did I just

51:45

Paramount Plus.

51:46

Plus, Yeah, that's your other option.

51:48

And then you can watch 'em for free.

51:50

Well, and to be honest though, you should do

51:53

Paramount Plus

51:54

a horrible network. I hate giving money

51:56

to those guys.

51:57

Ha. Have you watched Lower Decks?

52:00

Watch

52:00

Lower Decks? Lower Decks?

52:02

No, but I saw it's on there and you

52:04

rave about this kid's show, so I'll watch it.

52:06

It's not a kid show. It's actually good

52:08

track. It really is. They

52:11

were making fun of Deep Space nine

52:13

they stole my idea. That was originally

52:15

my idea back like 20 years ago.

52:18

What was your idea?

52:20

To have a Star Trek that isn't

52:22

about the captain and the

52:24

Upper Echelon crew. It's

52:26

to have a Star Trek where all the

52:28

storylines revolve around people that

52:30

are actually in low level positions.

52:34

Yep. Well,

52:36

I Bought it.

52:38

Voyager did an episode

52:40

about the lower deck characters

52:42

and I think t and g did as well. So

52:45

I don't know, there, there were definitely some episodes

52:47

in there

52:48

there were, I mean, they would bring on some

52:50

characters that would eventually disappear. And I feel

52:52

like Orville's gotten more of that. Like

52:56

they've taken minor characters or, not

52:58

officer class characters and incorporated

53:00

them more into the show. But

53:02

it's not I don't know. Well, we'll see. I'll watch lower

53:05

deck. That's fine. I'll

53:08

check it out. What else were we talking about? What

53:10

did I interrupt you? I interrupt you. You were talking

53:12

about, you were on a rant about something

53:14

Ah, it's all good, man. I don't even remember at this

53:17

point.

53:18

that was literally five minutes ago. How

53:20

bad is your memory? You're currently recording?

53:23

yes.

53:23

Okay, just

53:24

good. My short term memory loss, isn't that

53:26

complete yet? I'm not Joe Biden level yet.

53:29

Okay. No. CSB has been

53:31

going off about your Russian healing

53:33

friend. Lied. There are no nukes

53:35

in Poland.

53:36

well, literally

53:39

publicly available information. We'll

53:42

have a, we'll have a footnote here with the episode

53:45

when I publish it, showing exactly

53:47

where those nukes are. Yeah. And again,

53:49

I think some people just are, and

53:52

CSB is a good example of it. They're just

53:55

rhos, Like, it's not an issue of communism,

53:57

it's not an issue of anything else. It's a, they

54:00

just have a thing for Russians and

54:03

so in, rightfully

54:06

so, I mean, the Soviet Union

54:08

rightfully

54:09

pretty fucking nasty for a long

54:11

time, dude

54:12

well, not,

54:14

okay. Look I know what you're, you are saying

54:17

and I know what you mean, but what

54:20

practical aspect can

54:22

anyone name that

54:25

led to a negative experience for that

54:27

person personally from

54:29

the Soviet Union? Now,

54:32

if you lived in Russia, Okay. There's

54:34

a lot of bad shit happening. I'll even

54:36

give you Poland cuz that was part of the Eastern block.

54:38

So anybody living in the Eastern block, there

54:41

was Yeah. Anybody living

54:43

on the Eastern, but for an American

54:46

or a Brits or anybody in,

54:48

France, like what the hell

54:50

exactly was bad for

54:53

you as a result of

54:55

the Soviet Union. That's why I'd like to.

54:59

It, I think it's just people associating.

55:02

I think there's a, there's

55:06

this tendency to be disbelieve

55:09

that the Soviet Union actually broke up.

55:12

So, people think, Oh Putin

55:14

great example. He was kgb.

55:17

He's gotta be bad, he's gotta be kgb.

55:19

I, I don't think he's a good guy.

55:20

Bush was cia. So what difference does

55:22

that make?

55:23

Well, George Bush is a horrible human being, and

55:25

I'm glad the wizard's dead, but, hey, Like,

55:29

seriously, I when George Bush Senior died,

55:32

I was like, Yay, finally.

55:34

Yeah.

55:35

But anyway, anyone

55:37

who thinks highly the Bushes read

55:40

Bush family of secrets and go

55:42

from there. They literally

55:45

a family that tried to overthrow the US

55:47

government. So, yeah. Not great people,

55:50

so not a good example there, Gene. But Putin's

55:52

but I, But

55:53

he's a nationalist. He is a Patriot

55:56

and I don't like him. I don't think much of

55:58

him. I, but he is a Russian

56:00

patriot.

56:02

Yeah, I think he is. He has

56:05

certainly made plenty of money

56:07

over the years undeniably so, so

56:09

has pretty much all of Congress and Senate.

56:11

Nancy Pelosi.

56:13

yeah, Nancy Pelosi made a shit to,

56:16

and still continues to, That's the best part

56:18

is like she continues to profit off the stock

56:21

market insider information

56:23

because she can.

56:25

Yeah. Beats out Warren Buffet on her trade

56:27

deals.

56:27

but I will say that

56:30

in, in terms of Putin

56:32

being a Russian

56:34

patriot I think that's always

56:36

been true. I think it's the reason that

56:39

he ended up in the kg. Is

56:41

it was, he wasn't going to the KGB

56:44

because he was gonna make

56:46

more money. He was gonna work for

56:48

the KGB because he

56:50

liked his motherland. And

56:53

I think it's the same thing that led

56:55

to him working for Yeltsin

56:57

in the early days. And

57:00

the same thing that led to him becoming

57:02

the the president of Russia is

57:04

that he wants

57:06

to guide

57:08

along Russia

57:11

and he had during

57:13

its weakest time, which is right after

57:15

the breakup of the Soviet Union

57:17

and his I think this is where the, there's

57:19

some disconnect comes, is that he has said

57:22

that he has no interest in

57:24

trying to recreate the Soviet Union.

57:26

He. Talked about many faults

57:29

of the Soviet Union, but

57:31

also he says that the,

57:34

when the Soviet Union broke

57:36

up, the mistake that was made

57:38

by the then people

57:41

in control, by the the

57:43

who I'm sure it wasn't one dude, it was a,

57:45

probably a committee that was handling like, how we're gonna

57:47

do the breakup. The mistake that was

57:49

made was that they took

57:51

what was a country and

57:55

split it into its

57:58

composite states based

58:01

on really what are state borders. And

58:03

he has a very good point about that because,

58:06

for example, Eastern Europe,

58:08

which was under the behind Iron

58:10

Curtain, it was under the full influence,

58:13

full control, if you like, of the Soviet

58:15

Union. But countries like Poland,

58:17

like Yugoslavia, like, hungry, they

58:20

all should have

58:22

and did have

58:24

their full independence and could do whatever

58:26

they wanted after the breakup of the Soviet Union.

58:29

But the country of Russia

58:33

predates the Soviet Union. The Russian

58:35

Empire, the monarchy of Russia held

58:38

a much greater territory than what

58:40

is today, Russia. And so his

58:42

point is it wasn't

58:45

the Soviet Union it wasn't theirs

58:48

to split like that into

58:50

regions. What they

58:52

should have done is just the Communist

58:54

Party should have resigned and

58:57

they should have had new

58:59

elections, elected new

59:01

government, and

59:04

the size of Russia

59:06

should have stayed what it was

59:08

pre Soviet

59:09

I, that's, I don't see it that

59:11

way, so

59:12

Well, that's the way he, I'm describing

59:15

what he said, not what I think

59:17

and what he said during this last

59:19

speech is that the fall of the Soviet Union

59:21

was a bad thing, which I disagree

59:23

with. I get his

59:25

did not say that is a mischaracterization

59:27

that is not in his speech.

59:30

He lamented the fall of the Soviet

59:33

Nope, not at all. That's a mistranslation

59:36

Okay. Well, the translation I was reading

59:38

from, that's certainly the impression I

59:40

translations that are inaccurate

59:44

cuz he did not say it. I

59:45

I asked you for a translation of the full

59:47

speech, But, I.

59:48

And I provided it.

59:51

Anyway.

59:52

to an article that had it. No, and that's

59:54

that.

59:54

Are I read about three different transcripts and there

59:56

are differences.

59:58

incorrectly for

1:00:00

a specific political effect.

1:00:03

So when he says, That

1:00:06

the Soviet Union in fact,

1:00:08

I think he even mentions the fact that the

1:00:10

Soviet Union clearly needed

1:00:13

to go away to collapse, to change.

1:00:16

It wasn't working like it was starving, its

1:00:18

people. Right. But when

1:00:21

that happened, that the mistake

1:00:23

that was made was not in the collapse

1:00:26

of the Soviet Union. The mistake that was made was

1:00:28

in the breakup of a

1:00:30

country that was one single country

1:00:33

into composite

1:00:35

states.

1:00:36

Yeah. And if those composite states wanted

1:00:38

to stay in one country, they

1:00:41

would've, So the fact the matter is,

1:00:43

They didn't want to, and that's why

1:00:45

they didn't. So I don't

1:00:47

think that, breaking up and

1:00:50

staying in a

1:00:52

federation that had abused

1:00:56

its people across multiple regions

1:00:58

and so

1:00:59

But here's the problem, dude.

1:01:00

was going to

1:01:01

The practical problem. So emotionally,

1:01:03

you're absolutely right. So

1:01:05

a lot of people felt like

1:01:07

they got fucked over during Soviet

1:01:10

Union days, right? So,

1:01:12

there was a lot of animosity towards

1:01:14

Moscow and Moscow being the capital

1:01:16

of the Soviet Union. But here's

1:01:20

the problem with that type of breakup is

1:01:23

you have the same kind

1:01:25

of a dispersion of regions

1:01:27

there that you do in the us. So I'm gonna use the US

1:01:29

as an example. So you have the Midwest

1:01:32

that grows a lot of corn, a lot of grain.

1:01:34

It's really the food belt of the United

1:01:36

States. You have the

1:01:39

south where you grow

1:01:41

totally different crops and

1:01:44

you have oil, and

1:01:46

you have. The Northeast,

1:01:49

which grows nothing but

1:01:51

consumes a lot of things. If

1:01:54

you split off the United

1:01:56

States into, I think it was five

1:01:59

or six regions that Russia got split

1:02:01

into or after ussr that what

1:02:04

was Russia became the US Sr.

1:02:06

And then when the US Sr split that

1:02:09

split into smaller states

1:02:12

is that each of these

1:02:14

relied on the others and

1:02:17

doesn't have the resources to survive

1:02:19

on its own. that

1:02:22

was very evident here as well.

1:02:24

Yeah, the problem is when you

1:02:26

have like the Hall of DeMar and so

1:02:29

on, it's just, I

1:02:32

don't know I just don't see a

1:02:34

way for that

1:02:37

to stay together. I, I get

1:02:39

what you're

1:02:39

Yeah, the whole and by the way, the whole divorce

1:02:41

since you brought it up, is also a great

1:02:44

little propaganda term because

1:02:47

what happened was and look,

1:02:49

this is not a good thing. This was stone, right? But what happened

1:02:52

was, and stone was in power, they

1:02:54

needed more hard currency. The

1:02:56

only real export that

1:02:58

the USSR had in

1:03:01

the in the fifties was

1:03:04

grain. And

1:03:06

so what they did is they started exporting

1:03:08

for a number of years, exporting

1:03:11

way more grain than they should have.

1:03:14

And not leaving, not enough to feed the

1:03:16

population. So

1:03:19

that was not exclusive

1:03:22

to Ukraine, to that region at all. The

1:03:25

entirety of the Soviet Union

1:03:27

experienced hardships

1:03:29

with food. The

1:03:31

reason that Ukraine kind of claims

1:03:34

haul the Moore is because that's where

1:03:36

most of the grain grew. That'd be if the US started

1:03:38

exporting all the grain and

1:03:41

not leaving enough grain for people to

1:03:43

eat. The states that mostly

1:03:45

produce grain, which would be the Midwest,

1:03:49

they're the ones that are seeing all this grain

1:03:51

growing and then going away, and

1:03:53

nothing in the grocery stores. So they

1:03:55

feel as like, Wow, we are really getting fucked.

1:03:58

Well, everybody else's too. It's not like anybody

1:04:00

else's grocery stores have grain

1:04:02

and yours don't. It's just that

1:04:05

you grow this stuff, and so that's

1:04:07

why it's like this big thing. It's like,

1:04:09

Oh no, they were starving. The Ukrainians,

1:04:11

no. They were starving. Everybody

1:04:14

in the Soviet Union, they

1:04:17

were just growing the grain in Ukraine.

1:04:19

Yeah I don't know enough to challenge

1:04:21

you on that. All I can say is that central

1:04:23

planning doesn't work.

1:04:27

Communism doesn't work.

1:04:29

No, it does not yet.

1:04:31

We seem to be headed

1:04:33

there every fucking day.

1:04:35

Yeah. Which is very sad.

1:04:37

know I've sent you a few articles here between

1:04:40

our shows of like people

1:04:42

getting mail saying they have

1:04:44

to register their gardens because

1:04:47

the government needs to, know what you're doing,

1:04:50

And

1:04:50

control what you're allowed to.

1:04:53

if you register your garden I pity

1:04:55

you. I mean, who the, even

1:04:57

if there

1:05:00

have, at what

1:05:02

point? Do we see people

1:05:04

go, Okay, enough of this and

1:05:06

stand up. And I, I'm afraid

1:05:08

I'm deathly afraid that we're

1:05:11

not going to that we are going

1:05:13

to just keep

1:05:15

marching down this road. People are not ever

1:05:17

going to stand up. People are not ever gonna say

1:05:20

yet, No, I'm not doing that. And

1:05:23

we're, we're gonna get to the point where

1:05:26

we do have communism in this country.

1:05:29

And, you can, the old saying, you can

1:05:31

vote your way to communism, but

1:05:33

you have to fight your way out. So I don't know.

1:05:35

No, that's very true. But that's the thing is

1:05:37

I think if we take the example, let's say somebody

1:05:39

wrote a fictional book, right? So about the

1:05:42

next. 50 years of

1:05:44

the US and

1:05:46

the US keeps going the way, and that, let's

1:05:48

ignore the whole Ukraine situation for now so

1:05:50

that we take away the risk of nuclear

1:05:52

war. But in that

1:05:54

Kurt. Kurt Vette beat us to it.

1:05:56

well, let's let, I don't know that

1:05:58

he beat us to the same conclusions. So,

1:06:01

in the next 50 years, you guys continues

1:06:03

to get a lot more communist

1:06:05

than states like California

1:06:07

and Massachusetts. Actually

1:06:10

have majority communist legislatures

1:06:12

in them. That's the new party that, that

1:06:15

has come out in power, that

1:06:17

they've shed their pretense

1:06:20

of being Democrats and they've genuinely

1:06:22

come out like Bernie Sanders and just said

1:06:24

they're actually communist. And this

1:06:27

continues

1:06:27

don't know what you're doing, but there's a lot of

1:06:30

mic noise.

1:06:32

Oh, really? Oh, that's not good. Okay.

1:06:34

Sorry. Yeah, and see this proves I'm

1:06:36

Mexico, that's why there's mic noise. Otherwise,

1:06:38

everything would be just fine Anyway. So,

1:06:41

there they would be those states

1:06:43

would become more communist. Some states,

1:06:45

let's say Texas as an example, would try

1:06:48

it and resist that. But everybody's still a part

1:06:50

of the us and the US overall is becoming more and

1:06:52

more communist. And then

1:06:54

there are things that happen in the US like

1:06:56

a crop failures in the Midwest because

1:06:58

of the green agendas that the communists

1:07:01

have adopted is saying that that

1:07:03

we're planting way too many

1:07:05

consumable crops. We need to plant

1:07:07

trees for every crop that we plant

1:07:10

and we end up running out of food. Country

1:07:13

goes through some tough times, and in the

1:07:15

end, finally there's a civil war or

1:07:17

at least the most peaceful version

1:07:19

of a civil war, where different regions

1:07:22

agreed to no

1:07:24

longer be bound by the American

1:07:26

contract. Right? Unlike the Civil

1:07:28

War in the 18 hundreds in

1:07:30

the us, the Civil War

1:07:32

in the two thousands is

1:07:35

something that happens without

1:07:37

major bloodshed, maybe just some short skirmishes

1:07:40

because the regions just say, Look, it's, this

1:07:43

is not gonna work. Where we need to part ways.

1:07:45

So when that happens, these

1:07:48

regions break off from each other. We have

1:07:50

the West Coast, which is Oregon

1:07:52

California, Washington state.

1:07:54

We have the Southwest, including

1:07:57

Texas. We have the Southeast,

1:07:59

we have the Northeast, we have the Midwest.

1:08:02

Each of these regions has different

1:08:04

production, different supplies, and different consum

1:08:07

consumption needs. Either

1:08:10

they start figuring out how to live together

1:08:12

and work together, even though they just

1:08:14

split off from each other, or

1:08:17

they're gonna become a lot

1:08:20

more insignificant and

1:08:22

have to depend on overseas

1:08:24

foreign powers, Trade

1:08:26

Yeah, but that's never gonna happen. The

1:08:28

next civil

1:08:29

wasn't ever gonna happen in the Soviet Union either,

1:08:31

but it did.

1:08:33

the, this is a very different scenario. The

1:08:35

next civil war in the United States will

1:08:37

actually be a real civil war. So

1:08:40

the conflict that erupted in

1:08:42

the conflict that erupted in the 1860s

1:08:45

was a war between

1:08:48

was really a revolution. The South

1:08:50

said, Hey, we're gonna go be our own country now.

1:08:52

And the North said, No, you're not. It was,

1:08:55

the south was not trying to take over

1:08:57

the government of the United States. They were trying to just

1:08:59

leave the United States. What you're

1:09:01

gonna have in the next Civil War

1:09:04

is you're not going to have regions

1:09:06

breaking apart because. We're

1:09:09

too interbred, if

1:09:11

you will. There are conservatives

1:09:14

living in all 50 states, and there are liberals

1:09:17

living in all 50 states. And the political

1:09:19

ideology, there is no Mason Dixon

1:09:21

line today. The, what was what

1:09:23

was it? The comedian said Mason Dixon line

1:09:25

goes through grandma's bedroom. Right.

1:09:28

And yeah, actually, correct.

1:09:31

Correct. Good, sir. Yes. This

1:09:33

will be a true civil war. What Americans

1:09:35

think of as the Civil War wasn't. What

1:09:38

happened in Spain wasn't what happened

1:09:40

around the world. We have never

1:09:42

seen a true civil war in this country, and when

1:09:44

it comes, it's not gonna be good.

1:09:48

Okay. Well, it doesn't really change my

1:09:50

premise of my book though. But that my point

1:09:52

being simply that different

1:09:54

regions have different productivity

1:09:57

and different consumption

1:10:00

needs, and

1:10:02

that when they're all

1:10:04

a part of one country it makes

1:10:07

it easier to be able

1:10:09

to fulfill all those needs from

1:10:11

all of those products

1:10:15

when they're split. Then you have

1:10:17

to get into a lot more a

1:10:19

spider web of relationships, but it's still

1:10:21

possib. But immediately

1:10:24

after they split, when emotions

1:10:27

are running high, there's

1:10:29

a strong desire to

1:10:31

not work with the people that

1:10:33

you just physically split from, even though you're

1:10:36

literally across the border from them.

1:10:39

And I think this is what happened with

1:10:42

Ukraine as well along with couple

1:10:45

other territories where they logically,

1:10:50

rationally, there's every

1:10:53

reason to have

1:10:55

close working relationships. Even

1:10:58

if you have a separate government, that's fine because

1:11:01

you're producing things that your neighbor needs,

1:11:04

the neighbor's producing things that you need. You

1:11:06

can do trade, but

1:11:10

the emotions creep in and say,

1:11:12

Well, we feel abused by our neighbor and therefore

1:11:14

fuck them. We're not gonna do any trade with them. And

1:11:17

this is the danger of letting emotions

1:11:19

govern politics.

1:11:22

Well, yeah, emotions shouldn't

1:11:24

govern politics. You should actually

1:11:26

be rational. But you know that's hard

1:11:29

for people to do. And the fact

1:11:31

of the matter is people are irrational

1:11:33

all the time. This is not something

1:11:36

new. So I, Yeah.

1:11:39

Yeah. It's it's the case, but I just think

1:11:42

that this is, I'm just trying to make a distinction of

1:11:44

people that have a Russo

1:11:48

for whatever reason, which is just

1:11:50

a an emotional distain

1:11:54

for Russia

1:11:56

Well,

1:11:56

versus people that are looking

1:11:57

Vic set themselves up for.

1:11:59

Yeah, they, I mean, this is. There's

1:12:02

no, nobody arguing that the communists

1:12:05

were the good guys here. They were definitely the bad

1:12:07

guys. But I think the distinction,

1:12:09

if you don't make the distinction between an

1:12:12

ethnic group of people like Russian and

1:12:16

communists, Communist Russia,

1:12:18

the Soviet Union where

1:12:20

those people lived when it was

1:12:23

governed by communists, then

1:12:25

you're doing the

1:12:26

And there is a conf. There is a conf.

1:12:28

let me finish this then. Then you're doing

1:12:30

the same thing that Hitler did with Jews,

1:12:33

which is not distinguishing German

1:12:35

Jews from Jews

1:12:38

that are ethnic Jews. There's

1:12:41

a difference in people

1:12:43

beyond their ethnicity, and

1:12:47

I think this is the mistake that's happening right now.

1:12:49

It's for a lot of people and it's unfortunate. I don't

1:12:51

like to see it in any direction. I don't like anybody

1:12:53

just being simply thought

1:12:55

of as. Representative

1:12:58

of the place that they were born.

1:13:03

Yeah, I mean, again, then I've

1:13:05

said this, I don't know how many times, I'll say it again.

1:13:07

The right level of analysis is always the

1:13:09

individual. You CSB sits

1:13:11

there and says, You're a Russian heath. Well, you

1:13:14

are a heath and you are Russian. So

1:13:16

he's not wrong, but

1:13:17

technically correct. Yeah,

1:13:20

exactly.

1:13:22

100%. Anyway the

1:13:24

right level of analysis is always the individual

1:13:26

and that's what you have to focus

1:13:29

on. At least in my opinion. But

1:13:31

it is hard for people to

1:13:34

disambiguate Russia and,

1:13:36

the ussr It

1:13:39

has been very long in our memories

1:13:41

that those two things were one, and it's,

1:13:44

it takes a lot. I mean,

1:13:46

even when I was growing up,

1:13:48

I mean, when the Soviet Union fell, I was just

1:13:50

a kid, but it's

1:13:53

something in my memory. So yeah

1:13:56

it's a thing.

1:13:57

it's almost 30 years, so

1:14:00

I don't know, Maybe it'll take a hundred years, but

1:14:02

it, I'll tell you

1:14:04

what, it sure seems like people

1:14:06

weren't equating Germans with Nazis

1:14:09

a lot faster.

1:14:10

I disagree with that. I think,

1:14:12

think in the 1970s people were looking

1:14:14

at Germany and the products

1:14:16

that they manufacture in going Yeah, a bunch of Nazis

1:14:19

live there.

1:14:19

Not necessarily, but

1:14:21

what I can also say is that during

1:14:24

that time period, the Germany

1:14:26

was occupied, the, I think the big difference

1:14:28

is that Germany lost,

1:14:31

was occupied and I, it means, it's

1:14:34

like the Japanese, We don't think of the Japanese

1:14:36

as the empire, but that's because that we're under occupation

1:14:39

for a long time. So I, I think

1:14:41

that's the

1:14:41

according to Putin, both Germany and Japan

1:14:43

still are occupied,

1:14:47

I, In what way is Japan occupied?

1:14:51

well, a lack of self-determination,

1:14:53

lack of real military of its own

1:14:56

and the permanent us.

1:14:59

Okay. Yeah I can get that argument. The

1:15:02

point is Russia and

1:15:05

the SSR just

1:15:07

gave up and there's this thought

1:15:09

process. It's a head fake. I think is

1:15:11

the way a lot of people approach it, that,

1:15:14

Oh, they really didn't, They're really not communist.

1:15:17

They're really not communist

1:15:19

anymore. They're still, they're still communists.

1:15:21

There's still this, there's still that. Yeah.

1:15:24

Yeah. Either that or people just didn't really understand

1:15:27

what communism were and they just assumed

1:15:29

that communist meant you were Russian about

1:15:32

it. It's, it

1:15:34

is weird, man, because I think there's plenty

1:15:37

of things that people can talk

1:15:39

negatively about the Russian government end,

1:15:42

but clinging onto this

1:15:44

idea of like, they're just

1:15:46

rebuilding the Soviet Union. Retarded.

1:15:50

It just shows a complete lack of

1:15:52

understanding of the history of the world.

1:15:54

Well, it's just not gonna happen. But what

1:15:56

I would say is that, and I think I've said

1:15:58

this multiple times on this show,

1:16:01

is that I really think Russia in the US

1:16:03

are two ships passing in the night. In a lot of

1:16:05

ways. I think that the US

1:16:07

is going way,

1:16:10

way more communistic than I

1:16:12

would've ever thought. And

1:16:15

I think, Russia is going

1:16:17

the opposite direction. I think that they are moving

1:16:19

towards more freedoms. I don't think the

1:16:21

Russian state is a good state. It's not

1:16:24

a free enough country where I'm,

1:16:26

expatriating to by any stretch of the

1:16:28

imagination. But if I'm looking at trend

1:16:30

lines it's to me going in a better

1:16:32

direction than we are. And that's very

1:16:35

scary and sad.

1:16:37

Yeah. Well, I think one of the. Problems

1:16:40

right now with Russia that I really don't like,

1:16:42

and I've talked about this and noted

1:16:44

in the social outcome as well, is that

1:16:46

I think they ought to be embracing

1:16:50

full on freedom loving

1:16:53

capitalism and

1:16:56

while they're doing what they're doing. And

1:16:59

an example of that is not

1:17:01

making protests against this

1:17:04

war illegal, like I thought

1:17:06

that was a mistake. I had said it on day one.

1:17:09

I think this is gonna bite 'em in the ass, is

1:17:11

that you have to sell

1:17:14

the benefits of the war on

1:17:16

its face. You can't simply

1:17:18

say nobody is allowed to

1:17:20

protest against it, because that

1:17:23

does make you seem

1:17:25

more like what the west is trying to portray

1:17:27

you as, which is a dictator

1:17:29

chef.

1:17:30

Yeah.

1:17:31

so that's a bad move on their

1:17:33

part. And it, Putin doesn't just make

1:17:35

laws by executive order unlike some

1:17:37

people think. So a lot of this is

1:17:39

actually coming out of the Duma and he

1:17:41

is as I've said plenty of

1:17:44

times, he is fairly moderate

1:17:46

when it comes to Russian politics.

1:17:48

There are a lot of people in Russia that

1:17:51

want to go a lot further

1:17:53

and a lot faster towards

1:17:56

regaining the Russian Empire

1:17:58

Territories. A lot of people that

1:18:00

would love nothing better than things

1:18:04

completely illegal that

1:18:07

they dislike religious.

1:18:10

Yeah. Well, and One of

1:18:12

the things that I think you've pointed out a few times

1:18:15

is that there is, since

1:18:17

the fall of the Soviet Union, and since

1:18:19

religion religious freedoms have come back

1:18:21

a bit in Russia. You

1:18:23

do have a huge resurgence

1:18:25

in the Russian Orthodox Church that

1:18:28

was totally suppressed under communism.

1:18:30

and it was a shock to me. I did not expect

1:18:33

that many people to all

1:18:35

of a sudden just get religion.

1:18:37

why is that? I mean, it was driven underground

1:18:40

by communism, but I think it was always

1:18:42

there. I don't think it ever went

1:18:43

They weren't practicing, they weren't doing shit. It

1:18:46

was always one of those things that,

1:18:47

well. I mean, quite frankly, I think that the

1:18:49

resurgence shows that they were.

1:18:52

No. No, I don't think so. I

1:18:54

think the resurgence chose. People

1:18:57

are very open to it and it's a new

1:18:59

thing for the vast majority

1:19:01

of Russians. Well was a new thing 30 years

1:19:03

ago. No, no longer a new thing and

1:19:05

that a lot of people liked what

1:19:08

they started experiencing.

1:19:10

It was the first time for a lot of people of going

1:19:12

to church. It was the first time for a lot of

1:19:14

people of having to even

1:19:16

think about this topic. And I think

1:19:18

an awful lot of them enjoyed

1:19:21

it, started seeing benefits from it, whatever.

1:19:24

They saw it as a positive thing. I

1:19:26

don't think it was ever like, Oh, there was

1:19:29

millions of churches that were underground

1:19:31

in Russian. No, that didn't exist, dude.

1:19:33

well then that's even,

1:19:35

I mean, I would say in the US we

1:19:37

are going through what I would call,

1:19:39

a new great awakening. But it sounds like

1:19:41

Russia beat us to it on that, and that's

1:19:44

nothing but good news to me,

1:19:46

Yeah. And it. I

1:19:48

don't know that it's necessarily good news to me, but

1:19:50

it is interesting. It's been

1:19:52

interesting to observe and it means

1:19:54

that the and I've talked about this before

1:19:56

as well, is that my realization

1:19:59

later in life has been that

1:20:01

for an awful lot of people, majority of the

1:20:03

people out there, religion serves

1:20:05

a useful purpose. And that is not

1:20:07

something that I would've said 15,

1:20:10

20 years ago.

1:20:13

Well, I mean, you

1:20:16

have to have faith in something.

1:20:22

Do you,

1:20:23

Yeah. You

1:20:24

don't know, man. I don't know.

1:20:28

Okay.

1:20:28

you could be an nihilist.

1:20:30

Well, but ni that,

1:20:32

that's the great danger, right,

1:20:36

I don't think nihilists see that as a danger.

1:20:40

Well, that's because I don't see anything as a positive either.

1:20:42

Well anyway yeah, nihilism is definitely

1:20:44

something to be avoided because that's when

1:20:46

you become dangerous to not only yourself,

1:20:49

but the rest of mankind. So,

1:20:51

I, yeah I thought the Nihilists and the big leki

1:20:54

were very well portrayed.

1:20:58

I've got new information. Oh man,

1:21:00

that movie

1:21:01

that was such a great movie.

1:21:04

perfect movie in so many

1:21:05

Classic movie. And that was, I think they just

1:21:07

dude divides, I'm

1:21:09

sorry,

1:21:09

even it was, they just had either the 20th

1:21:12

or 25th anniversary, I can't remember, of

1:21:15

that movie.

1:21:18

Yeah, I just want my rug back.

1:21:20

Just held the room together. Exactly.

1:21:24

So what else going on? I'm trying to remember.

1:21:26

Well, I think I mentioned I bought a gun,

1:21:29

You did it came out in 1998,

1:21:32

by the way.

1:21:33

98. So that What does that make it? 25

1:21:35

years? Yeah. 24 or I

1:21:37

thought it was 25. Okay.

1:21:38

Not quite

1:21:39

yeah, I guess, I guess not quite

1:21:41

there. Soon enough I must have watched

1:21:43

something that was the 20th anniversary then. I just

1:21:46

didn't see it for the last few years Cause

1:21:49

it was like a behind the scenes thing for it.

1:21:51

Yeah, so I, I finally got that

1:21:53

six five grl that

1:21:56

I was kind of thinking and getting. So I ended up getting

1:21:58

it.

1:21:58

Yeah. What you think so

1:22:00

It's, well, I haven't shot it yet, but

1:22:02

it's probably the most normal

1:22:05

gun I've bought recently. Nothing

1:22:07

folds, nothing flips, nothing moves.

1:22:09

It's a regular ar There's

1:22:12

nothing fancy

1:22:13

disappointing. Gene

1:22:15

Well, I know all my other guns are transformers.

1:22:17

This one is not at all. So I'm

1:22:19

looking forward to taking out the range.

1:22:22

Do some shooting at, I gotta buy some

1:22:24

of that buck around ammo first though. Jesus.

1:22:26

Oh, incidentally, did you know that

1:22:29

you, the, I just saw in one of the mailings,

1:22:31

I get that PM CMO was selling

1:22:33

for, I wanna

1:22:35

say it was 32 cents,

1:22:38

around 31

1:22:40

or 32 cents around right now at

1:22:42

For what Caliber?

1:22:44

Nine millimeter, sorry, nine millimeter PMC

1:22:46

thousand rounds for right around 32

1:22:48

cents around,

1:22:50

huh.

1:22:50

Which is, and I did the math. I was

1:22:52

curious. So I looked it up almost exactly

1:22:56

equivalent once you take inflation into

1:22:58

account to what? I was

1:23:00

paying for it in the early two

1:23:02

thousands, which was 20

1:23:05

cents around.

1:23:05

so interestingly enough I've been

1:23:08

looking at inflation and just

1:23:10

looking at reported numbers, not even, but

1:23:12

Stats. Yep.

1:23:14

yeah, but just based off of reported

1:23:16

numbers, cuz I was thinking about, growing

1:23:18

up and what my parents were making in,

1:23:20

the eighties and what that would be equivalent to

1:23:22

now. And it's,

1:23:24

it's interesting. So if you, I was born in 86,

1:23:27

so if you take a hundred grand in 1986,

1:23:30

So the family making a hundred grand

1:23:33

in 1986, what do you think that's equivalent to?

1:23:35

So that is

1:23:37

equivalent to $286,000.

1:23:43

286. Did you just put it into

1:23:45

a calculator or are you guessing?

1:23:47

no. I just know these numbers off top of.

1:23:51

Yeah, it's not quite, It's 252,

1:23:54

but still, So a hundred

1:23:56

thousand dollars income in 1986

1:23:59

is equivalent to $250,000 income

1:24:01

today.

1:24:01

I think it's a little more than that. It depends

1:24:04

which site you use,

1:24:05

Okay. Well, regardless,

1:24:07

either way, it's right around

1:24:08

a huge evaluation of the dollar that,

1:24:11

that's an inflation rate of 152%

1:24:14

anyway,

1:24:14

Yeah, there's the, in the

1:24:17

last what did I look at the last

1:24:20

15 years? It's

1:24:23

it's about 60%, which

1:24:25

is really huge. So

1:24:28

if you made a hundred grand 15 years

1:24:30

ago, you would need

1:24:32

to be making. Over 150

1:24:35

grand today, no, 160

1:24:37

over 160 grand today to

1:24:40

buy, to have the same buying power,

1:24:44

Yep.

1:24:45

which is pretty bad. I mean,

1:24:47

that's given that the government basically

1:24:49

has been reporting forever, that

1:24:53

we have no inflation. That's right around one or 2%.

1:24:56

And that, for that, for the last 20

1:24:58

years bank accounts have paid less

1:25:00

than 1% interest on their

1:25:02

checking and savings.

1:25:04

Yeah all I can say is if anyone

1:25:07

has a variable rate loan right now

1:25:09

you really better get that consolidated

1:25:12

down.

1:25:14

Yeah, no that's a good point, But

1:25:16

in the 1980s when my parents bought

1:25:18

a house, they were paying 20% interest

1:25:21

rate. We're we're gonna do one of

1:25:23

two things. We're either gonna head

1:25:25

back towards that and,

1:25:27

stabilize our rapidly

1:25:30

inflating currency. We might have

1:25:32

an out with a new, rebuilding of Europe,

1:25:35

but we'll see. Or, the fed's

1:25:37

going to back off and not

1:25:40

get this under control and it's gonna

1:25:42

go really bad, really quick. I

1:25:45

mean, we could end up with hyperinflation.

1:25:48

Overnight. When you go back and look

1:25:50

at what happened in the Imar Republic it

1:25:52

wasn't something that came

1:25:54

on slowly. It's something that came on

1:25:57

overnight.

1:25:58

Yeah. No, that's,

1:26:01

And you pointed out last night that you know, China's

1:26:03

selling their dollars.

1:26:05

They are, Yeah. That was something that I actually

1:26:08

heard at in Mexico here, where I'm at.

1:26:10

Does China have Right or left hand drive

1:26:14

I wouldn't know.

1:26:17

Okay. Anyway, go on.

1:26:18

Anyway, so the China

1:26:23

right now doing a

1:26:25

do a buyback of yoon by

1:26:27

selling dollars is

1:26:29

reinforcing the

1:26:32

Chinese currency while destabilizing

1:26:34

the US currency. And no

1:26:36

one's talking about it in the media

1:26:38

because everyone's so focused on Ukraine.

1:26:41

Well, and this goes back to, China

1:26:44

being a potential bad actor

1:26:46

as far as the pipeline is concerned.

1:26:48

It's definitely in their interest to destabilize

1:26:50

the US. Now, I will say that out

1:26:53

of all Western currencies, the

1:26:55

dollar is the strongest. But that's

1:26:57

because we are the, we're going, we will

1:26:59

be the last one to fall

1:27:01

as it goes. But yeah the

1:27:04

pound sterling and the and the Euro

1:27:06

are not doing too great right now.

1:27:09

Yeah, no, it's

1:27:11

it's definitely heading in the wrong direction, but I

1:27:13

saw a lot of other currencies, like I

1:27:15

saw this morning that the the New Zealand

1:27:17

dollar down to I think

1:27:20

58 American Cents.

1:27:23

The dollar due.

1:27:25

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean,

1:27:27

they've always been under one US

1:27:29

dollar, but I don't recall

1:27:32

them ever being close to half a US

1:27:34

dollar in the past.

1:27:36

Yeah. And now you have,

1:27:38

I mean, you have the pound almost

1:27:41

parody with the dollar,

1:27:42

Yeah.

1:27:44

so

1:27:45

Yeah. It's It's definitely happening. No.

1:27:47

Two ways about it. So I don't know. I mean,

1:27:49

again I think it's the same messaging that

1:27:51

we've had for people in the past. Just try

1:27:54

to be more self sufficient, have

1:27:56

chickens, kinda like Tim Pool, That's

1:28:00

always a winning solution.

1:28:01

Here's the thing, and this is what I, when

1:28:04

I had a conversation with some people

1:28:06

who are not very political

1:28:08

and not paying attention. I just said,

1:28:10

go to the grocery store, get a little extra food.

1:28:13

Worst case scenario eat it over the next few months.

1:28:15

Here's the thing. Anyone

1:28:18

who's paying attention is

1:28:21

going to be better off than those who are

1:28:23

not. And the sad fact is the

1:28:25

majority of people are not paying attention.

1:28:28

We are closer to

1:28:30

nuclear war right now than we were during

1:28:32

the Cuban missile Crisis. And

1:28:34

the big difference is during

1:28:36

the Cuban Missile crisis, every American

1:28:38

knew it. Every American was paying attention. Every

1:28:40

American was doing something and preparing for it. Now

1:28:44

no one is.

1:28:45

Yeah. And we're I don't

1:28:47

know, man. I think most people don't

1:28:49

really think that if all we

1:28:51

do is just send some money to Ukraine, how

1:28:53

that could possibly result in nuclear war.

1:28:57

Yeah, well, when

1:28:59

that money is in the form of weapons

1:29:03

and dead Russians, I mean, that's

1:29:06

how.

1:29:08

Yeah. And it's I. It's

1:29:11

hard to say. It's interesting times.

1:29:13

That's the Chinese pro, right? We're living in interesting

1:29:16

times.

1:29:16

Well, it's the Chinese curse,

1:29:19

Well,

1:29:19

right? May you live in interesting times.

1:29:21

They, they've definitely applied that

1:29:25

Yeah. Well,

1:29:27

Jean, anything else?

1:29:30

well. I don't know man. I mean, I felt

1:29:33

like, is there anything else

1:29:35

going on? We spent most of the episode just talking

1:29:37

about Ukraine stuff and I'm sure there are people that

1:29:39

are getting kind of tired of us cuz they're

1:29:41

getting hit from every direction on

1:29:43

yeah, I mean,

1:29:45

anything good happening. Anything in Interesting.

1:29:47

I've been enjoying sitting by the pool and relaxing,

1:29:50

just having good time

1:29:52

Uhhuh. Uhhuh, sure

1:29:54

you are. Well, I think that There haven't been

1:29:57

a lot of great things going on, but I think there's definitely

1:29:59

some funny things with Biden and some

1:30:01

gaffs there. Kamala's gaff

1:30:03

at the de militarized zone was

1:30:05

Oh,

1:30:06

especially hilarious.

1:30:07

That was funny. She didn't even notice it.

1:30:10

No, she's totally oblivious.

1:30:14

Yeah.

1:30:14

Yeah, she didn't say, Oops, I meant south,

1:30:18

Yeah. So anyway,

1:30:20

but even funnier. So there was

1:30:22

a a map that I stuck

1:30:24

up on No. In social, like,

1:30:26

that has kind of an

1:30:28

image of the countries that they have nuclear weapons

1:30:30

And on that map they,

1:30:33

they have North Korea with whatever

1:30:36

they, our estimate of their nuclear

1:30:38

capability is. But the place that's

1:30:40

actually highlighted on the map is South Korea.

1:30:42

And somebody pointed themselves like, Hey, this map

1:30:44

has this backwards, then somebody else not. Chimed

1:30:48

in and says, Hey man, didn't you hear

1:30:50

Family Anderson reverse those two? Like, that's

1:30:52

not where they are now. The names are changed. The

1:30:55

North Korea is in the south and South Korea is in the north.

1:30:57

Get used to it. This is our fun administration

1:30:59

that we're living with.

1:31:01

yeah. The administration is, I

1:31:07

mean, there's just no, it,

1:31:10

it's clown world. There, there is no

1:31:12

excusing it. And the

1:31:14

press secretary, whatever

1:31:16

her name is just so absurd. The

1:31:19

gaff the

1:31:20

Claude Vandam.

1:31:21

Yeah. The gaff that Biden had the other day about

1:31:23

the dead congresswoman and

1:31:26

all, she sits there and says, Well, she was top of mind,

1:31:28

not, She was on the top of his mind. I

1:31:30

mean, just incomplete sentences,

1:31:33

ludicrous thoughts, not just saying, You

1:31:35

know what? He's tired. He had a bad schedule

1:31:37

and he forgot. I mean, just that

1:31:39

simple admission. Why not? Why can't

1:31:42

they admit that?

1:31:42

because they don't think that if they, or

1:31:45

rather they think, if they don't admit it,

1:31:47

then people can't say that there's something wrong with

1:31:49

the president.

1:31:52

Well, I mean, it, but to

1:31:54

deny it, it makes it even

1:31:57

pretend that it's just a quirky

1:32:00

speech pattern than to say,

1:32:02

Oh yeah, he forgot.

1:32:07

I

1:32:08

I. think for a lot of these people, the

1:32:10

idea of saying anything

1:32:12

negative about Biden is admitting

1:32:15

that we have a lame president in the office.

1:32:17

We have somebody that is more

1:32:19

lame than even Roosevelt.

1:32:22

Yeah, I see what you did there, Ge. I see what

1:32:24

you did there.

1:32:26

Uhhuh.

1:32:27

for those who don't get it Roosevelts

1:32:30

couldn't walk and being lame

1:32:34

anyway. Lame like a horse. Yeah. I,

1:32:36

I don't know. I mean, I think that it,

1:32:38

they're making it worse by not admitting it though.

1:32:41

really do. I mean, I look at

1:32:43

it and go, Okay, so basically

1:32:45

what you're telling me is he's senile and you don't wanna

1:32:47

say that. Right? Because

1:32:49

people can misspeak, people can forget

1:32:52

things, people can, whatever. But it's just

1:32:54

Yeah. You can cover for it or you can lean into

1:32:56

it.

1:32:58

and they are leaning in hard.

1:32:59

When? No, I think they're leaning out I

1:33:02

don't think they're leaning in. Leaning in would be saying

1:33:04

yes. Yes. He made a mistake.

1:33:06

The guy's 84 years old, what he expect?

1:33:09

He's working hard on this Ukraine stuff.

1:33:11

He's up all night thinking about it.

1:33:14

What I'm saying is they're

1:33:15

That would be laying in.

1:33:16

that. He's okay,

1:33:17

Yeah. They're doubling down on these. Okay. Exactly.

1:33:20

and here's the thing is I don't

1:33:21

see here. Nothing to see.

1:33:23

but I don't understand that. I mean, at what

1:33:25

point is

1:33:27

the 25th Amendment actually going to be

1:33:30

on the table and Kamala

1:33:32

becoming president?

1:33:35

Yeah. I don't know, man. I think maybe

1:33:37

the actual powers in charge

1:33:40

are thinking that she's too stupid to

1:33:42

be put into that role. And

1:33:45

I know that Hillary's definitely been

1:33:47

campaigning on that side of the argument. It's

1:33:49

like, no. You can't possibly. Contemplate

1:33:52

having her be the president, cuz

1:33:54

Hillary still wants to be the first female.

1:33:58

Well, she could be the first female elected.

1:34:01

Yeah. It's different.

1:34:04

Yeah. don't think

1:34:05

And that requires more work.

1:34:07

yeah I don't think that there's any

1:34:09

chance of Clinton getting in, but that's,

1:34:12

I don't either, but who the hell knows?

1:34:15

I mean, right now, given the

1:34:17

state of everything, know, On the one hand no,

1:34:19

no country ever changes its president

1:34:21

in the middle of a war. So they may be trying

1:34:24

to go along those routes and

1:34:27

get into a conflict so that ensures

1:34:29

Biden gets reelected. On

1:34:33

the other hand the word that they. Seemingly

1:34:37

trying to get into doesn't really have a

1:34:39

winner.

1:34:41

Yeah I see zero chance of Biden

1:34:43

being reelected. There's just e

1:34:45

even during a war time I don't

1:34:48

see him hanging onto office just

1:34:51

because of the economy. I mean, when you have Cardi

1:34:53

B coming out and bashing

1:34:56

Biden on the economy, there's just no

1:34:58

way he survives this,

1:35:00

Who's she?

1:35:01

A really degenerate

1:35:03

rapper.

1:35:03

Okay. Got it.

1:35:06

I use the word degenerate there purposefully.

1:35:08

I can't stand this person,

1:35:10

but

1:35:11

yeah. What does she do? The one that played the fluke.

1:35:15

no different one. But anyway, it, it's, regardless.

1:35:17

She's some women see her

1:35:19

as empowering. I see her as nothing but

1:35:21

absolutely. What is wrong

1:35:24

with. The modern feminist

1:35:26

movement in so many ways,

1:35:28

but that's neither here nor there.

1:35:31

Well, I thought you just said she criticized by them,

1:35:34

She did.

1:35:34

so what's wrong with that?

1:35:37

I, That's my point is that she

1:35:39

is even criticizing Biden. I

1:35:41

do not think very highly of her, though.

1:35:43

oh, okay. Yeah. But yeah,

1:35:46

I mean, you're, you were not seeing highly of

1:35:49

ADON either, but it

1:35:52

seemed

1:35:52

I, I can still recognize when someone's doing something

1:35:54

right. Yes, absolutely.

1:35:55

Yeah. Huh.

1:35:56

Yeah.

1:35:57

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Something like that.

1:35:59

Yeah. Something like that.

1:36:01

So I don't know. And we talked about the book,

1:36:03

so I'll be going

1:36:06

through and kind of posting my thoughts as I'm

1:36:08

reading the company. You're gonna talk about the other

1:36:10

book next time, which you probably will have

1:36:13

either finished or gotten through a good chunk of,