0:15

Hey, this is Gene, and today I've got a

0:17

dude who's not named Ben, but who is a Ben,

0:20

am the official Noah Jetta dude named Bem

0:23

bem. B e m. And

0:25

what does that stand for?

0:27

Bemrose

0:28

Abbreviation of your name. I got

0:30

it. Okay. Dude, name. So you're a dude named.

0:32

you are literally the only person who's ever not got

0:34

that immediately

0:35

did not get that cuz I don't think of

0:37

you as Bes. I I guess that's

0:39

why.

0:40

that Yeah. Most people don't, most

0:43

people are like, Hey, that asshole

0:45

No, I, I just think of you as Darren

0:47

Z Ex who got back together with them. That's all.

0:50

I mean, I've got other friends that have done

0:52

that, but well, you do a show other

0:54

than last week.

0:56

and the week before

0:57

Oh, really? I didn't, didn't notice you

0:59

Yeah. We missed, we missed two weeks in a row.

1:02

Oh, I guess you're not doing a show now. You're on my show.

1:04

Hey, how's that

1:05

Yeah. Well, clearly I'm branching out.

1:07

Yes. Well, we pay better,

1:09

Yes. It, I don't know.

1:12

We'll see how good it goes in terms of ratings

1:14

here. We'll see how the Nielsen stack up.

1:16

show, 200 for grumpy old Bens. Darren really

1:18

brought out the sad puppy and it

1:20

it worked. We got, we got some big donors

1:22

coming in and suddenly remembering that we are poor

1:24

podcasters. But everything since

1:26

has been nothing.

1:29

But that is, I think as it should be.

1:31

I, I think that podcasting, first

1:33

of all, podcasting is not novelty anymore, so

1:36

everyone in their grandmother's got a podcast

1:38

these days. So the idea of like, oh, we wanna

1:41

support those podcasts, but they've always

1:43

sucked. Let's be honest,

1:44

not mine.

1:45

there's a handful of podcasts out there

1:47

Every show that I've

1:48

that are done by professionals. All

1:51

right. Well, I know it's gonna hurt your feelings

1:53

and all, but you're, you're much

1:55

better when you're improving than

1:57

when you're reading something.

2:00

Okay. Is, is this in,

2:02

in reference to the question I asked

2:04

on the latest Angry Tech news?

2:05

What was the question? Remind me.

2:07

Oh, I, so I do,

2:09

I do two shows. I do grumpy bends

2:12

and I do Angry Tech News and Grumpy

2:14

Bends. I generally

2:16

just bring notes on improv

2:19

and Angry Tech news. I script

2:21

the whole thing and

2:22

yeah, yeah. So I think, here's

2:24

my complex answer. I like the content

2:27

of rang tech news better, but

2:29

I like the presentation of grumpy old bins

2:32

better.

2:32

Okay. Usually I'm just sniping it Darren

2:35

and he's sniping

2:35

So if there's a way for you to snipe

2:38

while providing tech info, that would be the

2:40

great combo.

2:41

Well, that, that's why I write it out. I mean,

2:43

there, there's some real zingers in there. I mean, come

2:45

on,

2:45

I, I know, but maybe, maybe

2:48

get

2:49

sarcasm into those scripts.

2:51

okay. Okay. So maybe, maybe the issue

2:53

is you just need somebody who's better

2:55

at reading those than you and maybe get

2:57

that British guy who reads

2:59

Do you think Griff is available?

3:00

Yeah, I know he's available because his agent

3:02

reached out to me. He's got an agent. He doesn't actually,

3:05

I did not

3:06

were talking about him being on, and he's like, yeah,

3:08

why don't you talk to my people? They'll get a something

3:10

set up and take care of everything.

3:12

Okay.

3:13

I'll, I'll send you I'll send you notes for how

3:15

I need to be presented on a show. I'm

3:17

like, Jesus, who's this guy?

3:19

I too, have somebody responsible for running

3:21

every aspect of my life, but she doesn't actually

3:23

schedule my podcast for me.

3:25

Ah, well, for gif, that person

3:27

definitely did it. It wasn't his wife.

3:29

Huh.

3:29

No, he's got, he's got a whole thing going on. He's

3:31

like, he's gonna be on bbc, it sounded like

3:33

when I interviewed him.

3:35

Okay. Well,

3:36

So that's a big deal.

3:38

he came into podcasting from professional

3:40

broadcasting. He's kind of a big.

3:41

Well, I mean, I

3:44

guess you could say that the bbc, I

3:46

mean, he, yeah, yeah. It's,

3:48

it's, sure, sure.

3:51

I mean, it's not really professional. It's, it's sort

3:53

of like the minor leagues, I would say.

3:55

my, my first introduction to the,

3:57

the phrase BBC was not British television,

4:00

but I

4:00

mine definitely was, I, I don't know where you

4:02

grew up, but for me, the BBC was

4:04

definitely Dr. Who not porno.

4:08

I, I, I play the fifth.

4:10

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And

4:12

I'm pretty sure that that wasn't in

4:14

Playboys either. So you must have been stretching

4:17

to other mediums.

4:19

it was, it was BBSs,

4:21

Yeah. BBS has definitely had BBCs. That's

4:23

true.

4:24

some of them. What, what they

4:26

had, what they had was back then

4:28

when, when everything was dial up and a

4:31

and, and a 25 kilobyte photograph

4:34

was going to take 40 minutes

4:36

to download or whatever the data rate

4:39

was, you basically had to

4:41

grab your porn site unseen, commit

4:44

the time taken to download it,

4:46

and then like, oh crap. I

4:48

just wasted my time. There's, this is only,

4:51

how many corrupt files did you end up

4:53

getting when you were sitting there getting ready to look

4:55

at something

4:55

define corrupt. Do you mean corrupt in, in

4:58

the second half of the gift file isn't

5:00

coming through, it's just garbage.

5:02

well, I was gonna say cuz there's two ways that

5:04

the files can be corrupt. One is the computer

5:06

can't read it, and one is, my mom doesn't

5:08

think I should read it.

5:09

well then that's, I was definitely not

5:11

thinking of your mom when I was talking about you

5:14

jacking off. No.

5:15

Usually don't either.

5:16

no. Well, thank God

5:18

She'll be happy to hear that.

5:20

Oh, does she listen? Well, she doesn't listen to this podcast.

5:22

I'm sure

5:23

she, she did do the laundry for

5:25

me back then and I thought I was being so

5:27

sneaky, but no.

5:29

huh. Yeah, it's those times

5:31

when your kid does the laundry for you

5:33

and has got a big smile on his face. He

5:36

didn't do it because he's trying to be

5:37

Yeah.

5:38

Yeah, I know. I definitely remember those days. I

5:40

remember getting caught in

5:43

junior high school with

5:45

a printout of a black and white

5:47

bit mapped nuity

5:51

Oh,

5:52

on an done on a dot matrix

5:54

printer.

5:55

what do you mean caught?

5:56

Teacher saw me and walked over

5:58

and took the, took the paper

6:00

away from me and said, you're staying after class.

6:03

You don't happen to remember the, the make of the

6:05

printer. Do you, some of those dot matrixes

6:07

could do some amazing bit mapped

6:09

work. Like the one that

6:11

I had was it was in

6:14

the space of a character. It could have 24

6:16

bit mapped lines. It was like each

6:18

character was a 24 by 12

6:21

bitmap. It was, I

6:23

mean, you could get some real,

6:26

I mean, images out of that

6:27

Yeah. No, that sounds about right. I think it

6:29

was around the

6:30

the sound made by a dot maker printer.

6:33

Yeah. And bonus

6:35

points, if it's tractor feed

6:37

Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. No, it's

6:40

have to pull the

6:41

there are YouTube videos. You've probably

6:43

seen these of people that take

6:45

old shit like printers. I

6:47

know. It's, it's new thing. Printers, old

6:50

floppy disc drives hard disk

6:52

drives and then control them

6:54

to make noise and then actually

6:57

make music using these as an instrument.

6:59

I, I have seen such videos

7:01

and in fact, I have seen for

7:03

sale a box that

7:05

would convert midi

7:08

scuzzy

7:09

Mm-hmm.

7:10

of doing.

7:11

there you go. Very cool. Yeah,

7:14

it's, I mean, I guess

7:16

different people have different interests.

7:18

I tend to play more video games than

7:20

I should. Probably, some people I guess, make musical

7:23

instruments out of old computer shit. But

7:26

it, it's interesting to see cuz a

7:28

lot of that old gear just was noisy. We

7:31

just don't have much noise noises, letting fans these

7:33

days. That's

7:34

yeah. Right

7:34

I have is the fans.

7:36

right now I'm sitting next to a, my, my graphics

7:38

card which, which I don't have currently the

7:40

money to replace because did I mention on poor podcaster?

7:43

Is I, it's probably

7:45

not coming through the noise gate, cuz I think my

7:47

noise gate's ratcheted up. But it's

7:49

rattling right next to my left ear, which

7:53

is why I have

7:53

Well, luckily, the, I can't hear it,

7:55

so your noise gate's doing a good job.

7:57

Yes, I, one

8:00

thing I will definitely hand to Darren is

8:02

the guy understands his audio gear

8:04

and so taking his advice,

8:06

basically being, okay, give me links

8:09

to Amazon for all the things I need to purchase for.

8:11

This did not steer me wrong.

8:13

Yeah. No, I, I totally agree with that. He,

8:15

he knows his shit, even if he did rip off my

8:17

formula, but That's fine. It's all good. It's all

8:19

good.

8:19

What, what our formula is. What?

8:22

Well, it's the

8:23

out and hit people in the mouth.

8:25

No, no, no, no, no. The formula for the audio

8:27

gear. No, it's, it, because what

8:29

happened was and Adam doesn't use a MOTU

8:31

anymore, but he did for a long time is

8:33

back before Adam used a motu,

8:36

I had a MOTU and I was telling Adam about

8:38

how awesome these things are. And I was showing

8:40

him how he could be set up

8:42

the way that he likes his audio set up.

8:44

But it was, it wasn't quite there. Eventually

8:47

they came out with a product for about 700 bucks

8:49

that actually did do everything

8:52

that he needed to have done. I got one of those,

8:54

showed it to him. He thought, this is great. He

8:57

ended up getting the one as well. A

8:59

few months later. He borrowed

9:01

one of my mics and then he said,

9:03

this thing's great. I'm keeping it. I'll just send you

9:05

money for it. So for a while there basically

9:08

no agenda was running on my gear

9:10

So you're,

9:11

Darren asked Adam for a list

9:13

of all his stuff before he started recording

9:15

anything.

9:16

Well, Adam created that site a while back. Pod

9:18

father gear.com.

9:19

yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's changed like before

9:22

the motu he was definitely using stuff

9:24

that I wasn't a part

9:26

of at all. But kind of with that, that

9:29

point in time where he ended up getting the motu, I,

9:31

I ended up being very uh, connected

9:34

to what Adams rig was like

9:36

so what I'm hearing is that you are personally

9:38

taking responsible responsibility

9:41

good audio,

9:42

for, for Motus business

9:44

success.

9:45

Well, their podcasting success. See, MOTU

9:47

was never in the podcast business.

9:49

They were only in the pro audio

9:52

business. In fact, they didn't really like making consumer

9:54

quality devices. If you look at their lineup, 95%

9:57

of their products are over a thousand dollars. So

10:00

they were really a musician's

10:02

company, but I've

10:04

been a user of motu No

10:07

kidding, since 1988. And

10:09

so I've always been a fan. I always liked

10:12

their products and I obviously, once

10:14

I got into podcasting, I wanted to use the products

10:16

I like. And thankfully

10:19

that generation from about

10:21

seven years ago, I think was when I first came out.

10:23

It was flexible enough to do all

10:25

the podcasting stuff including,

10:27

you know what Darren and I have running, which is literally,

10:30

we can have a 24 person

10:32

conference call through the MOTU where everybody's

10:35

recorded on a separate track.

10:37

so I was being sarcastic there,

10:39

but you're, you

10:40

Oh, I'm totally taking Oh, absolutely.

10:42

Okay. Well in

10:43

They're sold out for the next year.

10:44

can you get them to

10:46

sell the one that has

10:49

the, the channel routing

10:51

Yes. It's, it's coming. It's coming.

10:54

They're, they have said that

10:56

because when I picked up all this gear, what

10:58

I've got is they're

10:59

Yeah. You got the cheaper one.

11:01

Well, it's okay in terms of audio

11:03

quality, it's still good, but in terms

11:05

of feature support, it has

11:08

the, I've lost all audio routing

11:10

and now I have loop back mix

11:12

Mm-hmm.

11:13

and that it, it

11:15

really limits what I can do while podcasting,

11:18

unless I wanna run like voice meter or so.

11:21

Yeah. No, that's true. But they, they have

11:23

said that there was an issue with

11:25

the factory that was manufacturing 'em shut down

11:27

in China, and it took 'em

11:29

a while to get a new factory lined up and

11:31

for the parts to be sourced. The next batch

11:34

will not be shipping until

11:36

March of the coming year.

11:38

I see. So what you're

11:39

they will be available

11:40

I am going to be a stunted podcaster until

11:42

then.

11:43

Well until then, probably even a

11:45

while after then, because that's wholesale shipping. So

11:47

it'll take a while for him to get

11:49

Well, and then a while after that until people

11:51

donate to my shows. Enough for

11:53

Well, okay. Well, sure. You know

11:55

what, what my other co-host Ben

11:57

ended up doing is scouring

12:00

eBay with some, probably had

12:02

some automated alerts going until

12:04

he found somebody that was willing to sell

12:06

like a two or three year old unit

12:09

for a basically retail price. And

12:11

he was super happy to get that because a lot of people are selling

12:13

these things for like 500 bucks over list.

12:16

Yeah. I'm not surprised.

12:18

Cuz they're, they're somewhat unique

12:20

The,

12:21

now. You can get plenty of 'em.

12:24

is,

12:24

get, yeah. So, sorry

12:26

to interrupt there, but you, you can certainly

12:29

get a box that does everything that Darren

12:31

in my box does for two grand

12:33

or more. It's just, there's nothing under

12:35

a thousand bucks that does.

12:37

Yeah. Well, the, the one that I have, which was under

12:39

a thousand bucks it doesn't,

12:42

it's audio routing is insufficient

12:44

for doing what

12:47

I'm doing right now. Well,

12:50

I mean, okay. What we're doing right now, we're just

12:52

talking and that's fine. And, and I could even

12:54

be recording this, but honestly I don't

12:56

want evidence of my podcasting

12:58

to be out. But

12:59

Sure.

13:00

the, the simple scenario

13:02

is you want to have.

13:05

Channel four voice, a

13:07

channel for jingles. You want to send

13:10

voice and jingles to the other end.

13:12

You want to have an incoming channel from

13:15

another podcaster somewhere. You

13:17

want to send that and jingles to

13:19

your monitors, and you want

13:21

to have all three go to the recording.

13:24

And that is a very common

13:26

scenario and seems

13:28

really straightforward. And this device

13:31

that they've made, I can't do that. I

13:33

don't have enough endpoints. If,

13:36

like, if I try to take loop back

13:38

mix and send it to the other end

13:40

so the other person can get both my

13:42

voice and my jingles, now they're also

13:44

getting their voice echoed to them and that,

13:47

And I, I gotta tell you why is because

13:49

generally for musicians, they

13:52

want to hear their own instrument

13:54

as part of the mix, to know whether

13:56

they're

13:56

echoing somebody's audio right back at them

13:59

Well, it's not really, usually

14:01

the musicians aren't playing across the internet,

14:03

so they're hearing it in real

14:06

time within

14:07

there's your

14:07

than one millisecond.

14:09

I, I don't care who's doing, I don't need 24

14:11

channels. What I need is that

14:13

scenario right there. I need the scenario,

14:16

which, by the way, I'm not alone. There

14:18

are hundreds of thousands of two

14:20

person podcasts who want to play jingles

14:23

and need super complicated audio routing

14:25

setups. I can record a podcast,

14:27

but if, if I don't have any jingles, if

14:29

I'm not injecting any system sounds into it,

14:31

then I can get, I, I, I send microphone

14:34

to the other end. I bring loop back mixed to the recording

14:37

and everything's good. But I can't

14:39

inject jingles because I don't

14:41

have that scenario on this equipment,

14:43

which was low cost, which apparently

14:46

either, either you did a piss poor job

14:48

with your pitch to the company or they just didn't

14:50

listen to you. Cuz if this is marketed

14:52

to podcasters, it's no good,

14:54

Oh, it's not marketed podcasters. That's what I'm saying.

14:56

It's, it's adapted from musicians

14:58

to podcasters,

15:00

are you even running this company?

15:01

I wish I was running that company,

15:03

man. No, I believe

15:06

me. Mal is a much bigger company than,

15:08

than anything that I've run. But they're

15:11

in fact, Adam and I tried to knock off a

15:13

product somewhat off of Maloo. It

15:15

was after we had the Motus that we

15:17

decided to start our own company

15:20

to create an audio device. I don't

15:22

know if you were part of that Kickstarter or not. But we did

15:24

the small batch audio was a company and

15:26

we had

15:27

I don't know. The guy's running the Kickstarter sounded kind

15:29

of scammy to me.

15:30

Well, most Kickstarters are kind of scamming. You gotta

15:32

be careful with those things. Speaking

15:35

of Star Citizen they had their record

15:37

year. You know what Star Citizen is? You're a little bit of a gamer.

15:39

I try not to admit it.

15:41

Okay. Do you know what Star Citizen

15:43

I'm, I'm vaguely aware that it's a game, but I have not

15:45

played

15:45

Okay. So it's a game that was

15:47

created by a guy named Chris Roberts. Who

15:50

was the

15:51

Would not have known that.

15:52

Okay, well, Chris Roberts was a game designer

15:54

of like three or four different games starting

15:57

from the eighties and onwards, including

16:00

freelancer and what was

16:02

the other one? Something else. I can't remember. Anyway, he

16:04

did a bunch of space games, basically from the

16:06

eighties onwards. And then each time

16:09

he ended up leaving the studio quitting

16:11

because he was pissed off because they were trying to rush

16:13

things and put a send the

16:15

product to market before it was time.

16:17

So, so this guy did not develop on Xbox?

16:21

no, no, not Xbox pc. And

16:23

he,

16:24

I,

16:24

he decided

16:25

who does he work for now? Does he even have a job?

16:27

Because rushing products to the market before

16:29

it's time is ex, is literally

16:32

the

16:32

what studios do,

16:34

it's all

16:34

So, so he decided,

16:37

day one updates, I'm just

16:39

saying, have

16:40

yeah, you gotta

16:40

ruined the game industry.

16:42

So, so he decided to

16:44

the best way to do this is to not have

16:46

a game studio, but just

16:48

to pitch his idea to people on

16:51

Kickstarter and then have

16:53

them give him money and then he could make this game.

16:55

And so he pitched his ideas and he was very

16:58

successful. The Kickstarter raised $3

17:00

million. And

17:02

so, you know what, what he essentially

17:04

sold during the Kickstarter as rewards

17:08

were, once I make the

17:10

game, once there's ship spaceships

17:12

in this game, depending on the level, level

17:14

of pledge on the Kickstarter, you're

17:17

going to receive this ship or

17:19

that ship or the other ship. And so people

17:21

basically were, giving him money to get

17:24

his company going

17:25

Hey, to win. Yeah, I get it.

17:26

Yeah. So, that

17:28

was 10 years ago. Games in Alpha,

17:31

so it, 10 years to

17:33

Alpha. Yep, yep. They just closed

17:36

their latest fundraising week which

17:38

netted $7 million for the week. Game

17:40

Company is now raised over half a billion

17:42

dollars.

17:43

How the fuck can you still be an alpha?

17:45

And the game is not released.

17:47

Okay, well then, then somebody's getting

17:49

taken

17:50

So, well, I'm definitely one of the sums. But

17:53

the the, the formula that they

17:55

ran across, which is super

17:57

successful,

17:58

apparently.

17:59

Is to not

18:01

call yourselves a game studio,

18:04

but to talk about how you're working outside

18:06

the studio system and

18:08

solicit people for direct donations

18:11

rather than selling them a game.

18:13

well this sounds suspiciously like value for

18:15

value.

18:16

Ken does scam alert. So,

18:19

so that's what they've been doing for 10 years, is

18:21

they've now created 142

18:23

different space ships. About a hundred of those

18:26

actually exist in the game, and about 42

18:29

are still in concept stage and haven't

18:32

been programmed yet.

18:33

how many of them are, are going to Elon

18:35

Musk's launchpad in Arizona?

18:37

Well, it's zero cuz it's a game. So, that's,

18:39

it's purely fiction.

18:40

when you talk about creating a bunch of space ships,

18:42

I

18:42

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I, I said for the game.

18:44

For the game. So there, the game looks absolutely

18:47

beautiful. I know I've talked about it before. If

18:49

somebody hasn't seen just type star

18:51

citizen into YouTube, pick

18:53

any random video about it. Chances

18:56

are, it'll be somebody bitching about how the game is a

18:58

scam. But while they're

19:00

talking about how the game is a scam, they're

19:02

gonna be showing footage from the game and you're gonna

19:04

be looking at this and going, holy shit, this is photo realistic.

19:07

It is an extremely beautiful

19:10

proof of concept. Or it's a great

19:12

game depending on who you ask and

19:14

how much Kool-aid they've drunk. But

19:17

I think it's a great case study and what happens

19:20

when your idea is so awesome

19:23

that. A lot of people,

19:25

millions of people believe

19:27

in your dream along with you and in

19:29

what you're doing. But

19:32

there is zero business constraint

19:35

from, the business side of the business,

19:37

which exists in every other company to

19:40

actually get things done on

19:41

that says we have to shut down if we run out of

19:43

Yeah. Yeah. The part, no, not even like,

19:45

they have that taken care of cuz they just sell more virtual

19:48

spaceships, so that generates more income

19:50

like 7 million a week. But what

19:52

they, what they haven't done is

19:54

created a game. What they've done is

19:56

create a bunch of space ships and then

19:59

given those space ships, a

20:01

few places that people can fly around

20:03

and take videos that look really cool.

20:05

Okay,

20:06

So it's just missing the gameplay portions

20:08

it's second life in.

20:10

Yes. Minus

20:12

the casinos and h hoses.

20:15

Get on that. It sounds like

20:17

a

20:17

I, I, I ran a casino in second Life

20:19

many, many, many years

20:20

like a business opportunity in

20:22

15 years ago.

20:23

Okay. Here's, here's a question. How many,

20:26

how many statistics and attributes

20:28

are there to each ship?

20:31

So you get the base ship and you can

20:33

swap out about all

20:35

the weapons, a bunch of the different systems.

20:37

So I'd say probably eight

20:40

or nine different things that

20:42

you can swap out. And there's a range

20:44

of options for each one. Probably the biggest

20:46

one is the types of guns you put on your ship.

20:49

Okay. Well, I'm just, I'm just wondering

20:51

if, if it's the kind of game

20:54

that I would like to play. I, there

20:56

are, there are games and there are simulations

20:58

and I, I,

21:00

This is, this is definitely

21:03

as pretty as a simulation but more

21:06

closer to a game. Like

21:08

When,

21:08

it, it's one of the reasons I bitch about it is cuz

21:10

I don't think it's simulation.

21:12

oh, so you and I are different there

21:14

because when I, the

21:16

distinction I make between game and simulation

21:19

is, game is something that a new

21:21

can drop into and in, in,

21:24

in the time that it takes to learn

21:26

the controls and interface, they can

21:29

hold their own and do all right. A simulation

21:31

is the kind that you have to put in 50

21:34

or 60 hours just to understand

21:36

what all of the, the stats on the item card

21:38

mean.

21:39

Okay. So from that range that

21:41

you just described?

21:43

don't, I, I definitely prefer the

21:45

game side for the simple reason that

21:47

even though I have multiple monitors in front

21:49

of me, I don't want one of them to be taken

21:51

up by Microsoft Excel trying to figure

21:53

out how to work the game.

21:54

So you don't like Eve then? Okay.

21:56

No, not a, not a neat fan.

21:58

Yeah. Yeah. I played Eve for a few

22:00

years, but it, after a while, I was literally a job.

22:02

I was in the 40 hours a week

22:05

and on top of working a normal job.

22:07

And then I got divorced, and so I stopped playing Eve.

22:10

But yeah, this is not

22:12

anywhere near that much of a

22:14

game of spreadsheets. There are still some

22:16

out of game tools that let you, like, figure

22:19

out what's the optimal configuration of your spaceship

22:22

in a web browser so you don't have to actually

22:24

spend in game

22:25

that right there is, is an indication

22:27

that you've got a, okay. Yeah. I I

22:30

You don't need my rant. You, we

22:32

Okay. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can, you

22:34

can configure stuff a lot of different

22:36

ways

22:36

I, I'm just saying that it, if in

22:39

in gears of War or Halo,

22:41

mm-hmm.

22:42

Xbox games, there, there is no

22:44

online tool to help you figure

22:46

out the optimum configuration. The optimum

22:49

configuration is get

22:51

a gun and shoot the other enemies.

22:53

But even in games, I remember like in

22:56

Battlefield, or even call Duty way back when,

22:58

there was still online tools that I used

23:00

that showed you the optimal config. I'm

23:03

a min-Max guy. I really. That

23:05

has nothing to do with it. It, it's

23:08

a just cuz I like spreadsheets and numbers

23:10

doesn't mean that that that somehow is a negative

23:12

thing for games. No, I think in most games

23:14

you can figure out what

23:17

is the optimal configuration

23:19

for the most bang for the buck. And that part of it is

23:21

something I do enjoy doing. Sounds like you don't,

23:23

so that's fine. But you would probably then,

23:26

really enjoy the visuals in this game

23:28

and the fact that it, it completely is an

23:30

open world. You can go literally anywhere

23:33

and it is

23:33

What is there to do when you get there?

23:35

well. What would you like to do, I

23:38

mean I guess that's the question cuz it's an open the world, so

23:40

you could do whatever you want.

23:41

I don't open a whore house.

23:44

I mean, you probably

23:46

theoretically could there are male

23:48

and female characters in the game,

23:50

Or at least in a gambling casino.

23:52

Yeah. And I, although that may be,

23:55

that may be banned by terms of service, but

23:57

yeah, I mean there's no reason you couldn't, like for example,

23:59

one of the space ships that I bought is

24:01

a ship created specifically

24:04

for building buildings. It's a

24:06

construction ship and it comes

24:08

with a 10,000 acre plot of land.

24:11

Okay.

24:12

So I'm, I'm, I guess I'm technically a pilgrim.

24:15

it's a ship. Where does the land come from? Is

24:17

it inside the ship or do it, does

24:19

they grant you the land? Well, no,

24:21

no, no. There's planets out there. It's just that,

24:24

it's kinda like the old West where if

24:26

you go west young man will give you 10

24:28

acres in a mule.

24:29

Okay.

24:30

It's that same idea

24:32

And do you have to, to set up fortifications

24:34

to defend your land from Raiders and

24:36

I would imagine. So like, I haven't done any of this

24:38

stuff cuz it doesn't exist yet. Cuz it's where alpha

24:40

so No.

24:42

Well it's, I mean, it, it may, it just

24:44

doesn't today.

24:44

be in the game in another 15 to 20

24:46

years.

24:47

Correct. That's exactly right. I mean, there

24:49

are people that have died in the last decade that purchased

24:51

a game that never got to play it.

24:54

yeah,

24:54

that is a risk for sure for,

24:56

for anyone that's not in

24:58

this game sounds like reading a Robert Jordan

25:00

novel.

25:00

Well, you're not, I mean, people do like to correct

25:03

you when you get in that if, if you encounter

25:05

any issues with the game, just remember you're not

25:07

actually playing the game. Your alpha testing,

25:10

That that is such

25:13

a platitude,

25:14

isn't it? I, and, and it comes up

25:16

every time somebody like me

25:18

bitches about a bug. It's like, Hey, dude,

25:21

remember your alpha testing?

25:22

that's on the level of, it's a private company.

25:25

They can censor if they.

25:26

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And for a fact,

25:28

these same assholes that are saying this

25:31

are going to flip 180 degrees

25:33

as soon as it happens to them.

25:35

Oh, absolutely. They already did

25:37

Yeah.

25:38

Have you been watching Twitter?

25:39

No, no, no. I mean, I know they did on Twitter, but they,

25:41

they will in

25:42

suddenly the government needs to step in

25:44

and restrict them.

25:45

Yeah. Because Elon Musk is a danger. He's,

25:47

he's a an African, we can't allow

25:50

African people to be running companies and

25:52

corrupting our freedom,

25:53

he's a white neo-Nazi racist,

25:55

obviously,

25:56

obviously. Yes. From Africa.

25:58

that.

25:59

And did you see his picture of the gun

26:01

on his nightstand? Oh my God. He's boning

26:04

violence. I think he's encouraging

26:06

people to go and take their guns and go

26:08

and raid the capital. That's what it seems like.

26:10

Well, I don't know if he's encouraging that, but

26:13

that seems like, you

26:13

Well, by posting an image of a gun

26:16

on his nightstand, he certainly must be.

26:18

I

26:19

What else could it possibly be?

26:21

I'm, I'm all for this. The Tree of Liberty

26:23

is very thirsty.

26:24

Well, that's true. But of course

26:26

it just so happens that the gun that's on Musk's

26:28

nightstand is actually a

26:30

video game prop, but Okay.

26:33

Yeah. I haven't seen this photo, but,

26:35

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's

26:37

a literally a video game revolver.

26:40

Um

26:41

when, when I was in elementary

26:43

school or grade school, or which, whatever it was called

26:46

I did in fact bring a gun to school once,

26:48

and I did not

26:50

get suspended or thrown in jail

26:53

because it was, it was the eighties

26:55

and it was the Zap gun

26:57

that comes with Duck hunt on the nes.

27:00

And I had it in my backpack because it was just

27:02

so cool. I was showing it off and everybody

27:04

looked at it, like put the toy away. And

27:07

I don't know, just 20 years later, I,

27:10

I, I would be facing criminal charges.

27:12

Dude, I don't think a day of high school went by when

27:14

I didn't have a pen knife on me. Like,

27:17

how do you, how do you be

27:20

a teenage male without having a knife

27:23

on you at all times?

27:24

Well, you live in a society where everything

27:26

has rounded edges.

27:28

And, and women rule

27:30

Well, that might be too, but then do the women

27:32

carry knives?

27:34

Well, no. That's why they, they used to need men,

27:36

because men always had a knife around,

27:38

Okay. Well, you can

27:40

be as sexist as you want, but I I I

27:42

know

27:42

I know you're married. I'm not. So therefore

27:45

I I know, I know which side of the bed the pussy

27:47

sleeps on.

27:48

uhhuh, uhhuh. It's whichever

27:50

side I paid for

27:51

It's wherever she wants to be. Also,

27:54

my wife is in the bed too.

27:56

Right, right. Well, that's fair enough.

27:58

I mean, I guess if the cats make it room

28:01

for her, then she'd be allowed in there.

28:03

Yeah, well, the

28:04

How many do you have? Two.

28:05

just two right now

28:07

Hmm.

28:08

with the electric blankets, the cats have been getting a

28:10

whole lot more interested in the bed these days.

28:13

They probably think of the, the

28:15

blanket more highly than they do of you at this

28:17

Oh yeah. They're like, you're, you're just lumps

28:20

underneath my heat blanket. Get outta here.

28:22

Yeah. Exactly right.

28:25

Well, I, I don't know what it is cuz I, I

28:27

had cats never had a dog. Don't have anything

28:29

against dogs. I, I've met some interesting

28:32

cool dogs, but they seem

28:34

like they're pretty high energy.

28:37

I

28:37

absolutely depends on the breed.

28:40

I guess, but I don't know. Cats tend to sleep

28:42

for a good 18, 20

28:43

Dogs are, some

28:45

breeds of dogs are, are low maintenance, some

28:47

are high maintenance. They

28:48

Hmm.

28:49

universally are higher

28:50

to have high maintenance.

28:52

Dogs are higher maintenance than cats, in my opinion,

28:55

because cats, you just like a cat,

28:57

you can leave the house for a

28:59

week, and as long as there's an

29:01

extra litter box and a steady supply

29:03

of food and water, they just won't care. And then

29:05

they'll, you'll come back and they'll, you'll open

29:07

the door and they raise an eyebrow like, oh, it's

29:09

you.

29:10

Yeah.

29:11

on the other hand is gonna lose their mind.

29:13

Oh, they're gonna go nuts. Yeah. They're gonna go literally

29:15

insane

29:15

but there

29:16

they've been abandoned.

29:17

there's certainly dog breeds that are really high energy

29:19

and dog breeds that are really low energy. I

29:21

grew up with dogs and that,

29:24

okay, I grew up with real dogs

29:26

and by real dog, I mean, if it's under

29:29

40 pounds, it's ero.

29:30

Yeah, that's true.

29:32

So, the, the dogs we usually

29:34

had were Labrador Retrievers. We had one

29:36

Clie who was close to

29:38

pretty high energy.

29:39

labs are absolutely

29:41

bug fuck fucking insane for

29:43

the first three years of their life, and

29:46

they will chew everything.

29:49

Mm-hmm.

29:50

The one of, we had to replace

29:52

a family room table when I was growing up because

29:54

the dog chewed the leg off so much that the

29:56

table fell on her

29:58

Oh my god.

29:59

But after that, though, Labrador Retrievers

30:02

are the greatest dog in the world because they're just

30:04

so laid back. It's if, if you have

30:06

small kids and you and your

30:08

small kids are hyper because you're a terrible parent,

30:10

and think that the only way to handle the

30:13

normal activity level of a child is to

30:15

drug them, then labs

30:17

are absolutely great because

30:20

it,

30:20

Wear out your kids.

30:22

well, if you get a six, seven year old la of course

30:24

they're, they'll play with 'em. They'll wrestle,

30:26

they'll jump around, and then when the lab says

30:28

it's done, the kid can come up and

30:30

grab the tail or yank on the ear

30:32

and the lab is like, oh yeah,

30:35

I guess I shouldn't be here. Get up and walk away.

30:38

Which is a lot better than some breeds, which will turn

30:40

around and bite the kid, which is generally

30:42

not considered.

30:43

Yeah. I mean, is that worse though?

30:45

I, I feel like a lot of kids out there need

30:48

to be bitten a few times

30:49

I kinda do too.

30:50

I kind of feel like, if you, if you have a, if

30:53

you have something like a, a poodle or a,

30:55

a dog that actually, defends themselves

30:58

and a kid comes up and yanks on the ear, well,

31:02

the kid's gonna get bit and then they'll know not to

31:04

do that again. I feel like that's, that's how it should

31:06

be. But,

31:06

Now I've only been bitten by one, one

31:08

dog in my entire life, and that was only

31:11

like five years ago. And

31:13

you wanna guess the type of dog it was?

31:14

Chihuahua

31:16

Correct. That is accident 100%

31:18

correct. The fucking ankle

31:20

byer bit me

31:21

See that, that again was sarcasm

31:23

because I don't think any chihuahuas

31:26

get to be over 40 pounds,

31:28

I think it was probably 20, but

31:30

nonetheless, it, it got in underneath

31:33

the sofa that I was sitting on, crawled

31:36

its way forward until it

31:38

could see my feet and decided

31:40

to bite my ankle. I mean,

31:43

that, I always, I always thought it was

31:45

like a joke name that they're ankle biters, but

31:47

they're literal ankle biters.

31:49

chihuahua tos are a high

31:51

energy, poorly behaved

31:53

dog. They are, they're like little

31:55

psychos who think

31:57

that they're 80 pound dogs and always

32:00

want to prove it to people that it's one of the

32:02

worst dogs. People are like,

32:04

oh, it's cute. No, it's not cute. It looks

32:06

like

32:06

It's not cute at all.

32:07

it looks like a fucking skeleton with leather, tan,

32:10

tan leather,

32:11

it is absolutely errant. And

32:14

if, if my buddy's wife

32:16

wasn't there, I

32:19

don't think I would've really prevented

32:21

myself from stepping in the stupid thing

32:23

as soon as it bit me, because that was my

32:25

natural impulse reaction

32:27

I like how you phrased that. Not not stepping

32:29

on it, stepping in it.

32:31

because there would be a puddle once

32:34

I stepped in it. I mean, it, this is a

32:36

dog that is almost

32:38

too small for my snake to eat.

32:41

Yeah,

32:42

I mean, it is ridiculously

32:44

get more than one.

32:46

Well, yeah, that's, that's what you end up doing.

32:48

Now I don't feed my snake dogs. I

32:51

yeah. The problem, the problem with puppies is

32:53

that there are a lot of work to raise for the stringy

32:55

meat you get.

32:56

Yeah, I could see that. I could definitely see that.

32:58

Whereas the cat meat, that's a higher quality

33:00

meat product cuz they don't use their muscles a whole lot.

33:02

They mostly sleep

33:04

That depends whether it's an indoor or an outdoor

33:06

cat.

33:07

well. That's true. That's, but even outdoor cats like

33:09

to sleep all day

33:10

let your cat get to be an outdoor

33:12

cat, and what you're gonna get is, is a

33:14

whole lot of meat from basically everything

33:16

in the neighborhood that they murder.

33:18

Oh yeah, they did. They do share.

33:20

That is true. I remember

33:23

I had a big orange main coon

33:25

which by the way, that, that damn cartoon

33:27

ripped off my superhero character, the

33:30

coon. But that was,

33:32

that was what I was playing as a kid. But

33:35

that was an outdoor cat. So he'd be indoors

33:37

all day during the day, sleeping most of the time.

33:40

And then when it got dark, he'd go

33:42

out hunting

33:42

Yeah.

33:43

and he didn't hunt for, Mice

33:46

or stuff. He wanted rabbits.

33:48

He would bring rabbits home every night.

33:50

Yeah.

33:51

He'd always eat the ears because I,

33:53

it's, I think that was his favorite part. And

33:55

so he didn't wanna share that. So he'd eat

33:57

it before he brought it home. And

33:59

so you'd have this

34:00

Easter bunnies.

34:02

airless rack. Yeah, exactly. You

34:04

have this airless rabbit that,

34:06

that is right outside the the screen

34:08

door to the porch and the

34:10

cat's looking like, Hey, look

34:13

at me. I'm providing for the

34:14

Yeah, I left the rest for you and,

34:17

and you know what, way back in the day

34:19

before the days of supermarkets, that actually,

34:22

I mean, you'd grab that off the porch and be like,

34:24

Oh hell yeah. A fresh rabbit.

34:26

Fuck. Yeah.

34:27

People don't do that these days.

34:30

No, I know, I know. It's like, it,

34:32

it, I've taken, I've posted a photo once

34:34

of my, my fridge and

34:36

it's it looks, unless

34:39

you have pets that eat stuff like this, I'm sure

34:41

it looks completely crazy because the

34:43

fridge is just chalk full of

34:45

whole bunny rabbits in plastic

34:48

bags in like one gallon bags

34:50

and stuff. And then rats for the other snake.

34:53

Oh, oh,

34:53

so it, well, no, I don't,

34:56

don't eat either kind. But, those rabbits

34:58

are over 20 bucks a pop. That is

35:00

not cheap food.

35:01

Well, I believe that. How much do you think

35:04

went into raising it? I mean, come on.

35:06

Yeah. Well, I buy heirloom rabbits.

35:08

So these are actually rabbits raised

35:10

for four H and boy Scouts

35:12

and stuff to be in rabbit

35:14

shows.

35:15

Yes.

35:16

not, not pets. They're competitive rabbits.

35:18

the,

35:18

meant

35:19

of creatures that that small children would fall

35:21

in love with. That's

35:21

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. This, well, nothing's

35:24

too good for the snake.

35:26

Well, the, the small children who would fall in love

35:28

with them, that might be

35:29

Well, I mean, I think they're probably

35:33

Muslim would be safe. The, the

35:35

I can't afford to feed the snake what it would

35:37

be eating in the wild, unfortunately. So

35:39

I have to settle for rabbits monkeys,

35:41

they, they mostly eat monkeys. They

35:44

have a taste for the the larger

35:46

brain cavity size mammals.

35:49

Okay. So, do you ever worry.

35:51

No, I, I make sure that there's no chance

35:53

in hell the snake would ever consider me food

35:55

by just being a fat dude.

35:57

Okay, Like

35:59

snake is smart enough to look at me and go,

36:02

that's just not gonna fit. There's no point in

36:04

but if you had a younger brother who was in

36:06

shape,

36:07

How do you know I didn't

36:08

I don't, I,

36:10

Yeah, no, he's a sweetheart. He's he is

36:13

now. I kind of wish I'd Okay. I should

36:15

have talked to you, you a long time ago. My

36:17

brother was really annoying me for a while. Anyway,

36:20

Oh, well there, there's some pets you can

36:22

get.

36:22

the, the only problem of course with that is that

36:24

Actually, pigs are usually the best pets for that purpose.

36:27

problem I have is he's my younger brother, but he's my

36:29

big brother.

36:30

Hmm. Oh, you know what they say?

36:33

I

36:33

The younger they are, the harder they fall.

36:35

I don't, I don't listen to what they say. They're

36:37

usually wrong,

36:39

Well they do say that too, almost

36:41

verbatim. So what else going

36:43

on? So you're not playing high end video games

36:46

in Alpha. What? Oh, I played cyberpunk

36:48

recently. Have you played that

36:49

I, I, I have actually,

36:52

I let my Xbox subscription

36:54

Wayne, I got, there's,

36:57

there's a couple problems with the Xbox. The,

36:59

the first one, which I know I've ranted about

37:01

on grumpy old bends before, but I may as well

37:03

because it pisses me off so much, is

37:05

Sure.

37:05

for the last couple years I

37:08

haven't put a lot of time into playing

37:10

on the Xbox. So it'll be every week

37:13

or two that I'll just make, I'll be

37:15

like, okay, I've got an hour to play

37:17

right now. Let's go up and, just launch

37:19

a game. Cause, and also I haven't bought

37:21

a new game since 2014.

37:24

I, I get,

37:25

that, that might be why,

37:26

well, no, I get games for download cuz

37:28

the Xbox live if you maintain

37:30

you not buy those? Well, I guess you

37:32

just get, you lease 'em now,

37:33

Yeah, You lease 'em.

37:34

buy games. Yeah.

37:35

Xbox Live has a, a system, they have

37:37

a, a game pass thing, which just gives you the

37:39

game library. And then they have another thing that

37:42

says, as long as you keep your subscription, here's

37:44

a free game that's attached to your account and

37:46

I play those. But as soon as you

37:48

let your subscription last, all of that gets taken

37:50

away.

37:51

Right, right, right. But I think you get 'em back

37:53

when you

37:54

Yeah, if you, if you subscribe again, yes,

37:56

Yeah. Yeah. I used to have one of those when

37:58

I moved to to Austin, I

38:00

decided that I was not going to

38:03

get back into building a

38:05

expensive PC just to play video games. I was like,

38:07

fuck it, I'm gonna stick to the Xbox.

38:10

And I, I did that with the 360.

38:12

I did that with the Xbox One, and

38:15

then I started watching videos of games that

38:17

aren't available on, on the platform, and I was

38:19

like,

38:19

Yeah, I don't, I don't think I could take that for,

38:22

for a couple reasons that I will try to get into if

38:24

we don't go too far off track, which we will. So

38:27

only playing every 10 days or

38:29

so, and I'm like, okay,

38:31

I'm allocating an hour for this. I don't,

38:34

don't even play that much on the pc,

38:36

but I have people that I talk to in the pc. I don't

38:38

have a lot of people in the Xbox anymore. Most

38:40

of them wanted to rape my grandmother too many times.

38:43

But

38:44

That sounds like Call of Duty.

38:46

it's, it's yeah, it's years of war. It's,

38:48

it's all of them. But the problem is, if

38:50

you only log in every 10 days, well, Xbox

38:54

One releases an update every

38:56

two weeks.

38:58

Oh,

38:58

Now they've got a lot of systems in place,

39:00

which is that if you le, if you play your Xbox

39:03

every day and you leave it in what

39:05

they call standby off mode, where it's

39:07

still using a trickle of power, but

39:10

the network is on and the hard drive is on, and

39:12

the CPU is paying attention and checking for updates

39:14

all the time, then it'll update in the background,

39:16

which is exactly what they want, which is why,

39:19

they Okay. They love. But if you

39:21

only play every 10 days, it'll only

39:23

stay in standby for like, for a couple

39:25

days. So you, if you don't play every day, it'll

39:27

go off of standby and then you boot

39:30

it up and I sit, I'll go into the room and

39:32

go, okay, I've got an hour, I'd like to play

39:34

a game. Oh, it's time

39:36

half an hour downloading shit.

39:37

half hour to download shit over the crappy

39:40

wifi and then another 10 minutes to install

39:42

it. And by the end you're, you're like,

39:44

okay, now I have 20 minutes to try to boot the

39:46

game. And of course, the, it's, it's an

39:49

original 2013 launch day Xbox One.

39:51

It's not one of the, the fancy new ones. So all

39:54

of the new games will take five

39:56

minutes to freaking load.

39:58

big is your drive? That thing? Cause I think I only

40:00

had like a two 50 on mine.

40:02

five,

40:02

Oh, that's tiny.

40:03

It's tiny.

40:04

That's like one

40:05

tiny. It holds, no, it, it holds at the

40:07

moment. I think I have eight games

40:09

installed

40:10

Oh my God. Yeah. That is

40:12

and it, the, because every month they're

40:14

like, oh, you have access to a new game because

40:16

of your Xbox Live account. And I'm like,

40:18

well, I might have access, but I

40:21

have

40:21

What's the latest one called? What's

40:23

the newest Xbox?

40:24

Well, I'm sorry.

40:26

What's the newest one called?

40:27

I don't know. The, is, is

40:29

there another generation after the Xbox One? I

40:31

Oh yeah, there's at least one, maybe two.

40:33

Well, I know, I know the Xbox One,

40:35

they came out halfway, like a couple years

40:37

ago with the, the one s or the

40:39

one X or whatever, which are all technically

40:42

still in the Xbox One category because they're

40:44

all backward compatible. They just have

40:47

higher resolution and, and more memory

40:49

and more hard drive space and, all the things that these

40:51

greedy, multi gigabyte

40:53

games need in order to function. And

40:56

so my old 2013

40:59

launch day Xbox is capable

41:01

There's a series S, I

41:04

Is there a series I, I dunno.

41:07

as in Sam.

41:08

Well, for, for the reasons I'm giving I'm,

41:10

I'm moving away from console gaming entirely.

41:12

And in fact, in a couple weeks my live

41:15

subscription will expire for the

41:17

first time. 15 years, and

41:19

I don't think I'm gonna be renewing because

41:22

first of all, if you don't play

41:24

all the time, then the

41:27

one time, the one

41:29

time when the system can be absolutely

41:31

certain that you want to use

41:34

your system, that's when it says,

41:36

fuck you. You don't get to do anything. We're updating.

41:39

And that's right. When you launch it, it

41:42

it, if, if it had a, a function

41:44

that said, go ahead log off and install

41:46

updates, play, play without updates

41:48

right now because it's a single player game and who

41:50

gives a shit if you have the latest UI

41:53

widget?

41:55

yeah, they got, everything's live now,

41:57

but no, no, the way Microsoft does it is

41:59

you don't have the latest update. You

42:02

don't get to connect. And if you don't

42:04

connect, then it can't authenticate

42:07

and you can't even launch your single player games in your

42:09

library because it has to authenticate

42:11

your account before it can run

42:14

anyway. So that's infuriating.

42:16

so there, there's a series S,

42:18

which is 300 bucks. there's

42:21

the Series X, which

42:23

is 500 bucks.

42:24

Okay.

42:25

The X sounds like the one to get them

42:27

the,

42:28

My understanding is that those are supposed

42:30

to be back compatible. I

42:32

mean, in

42:33

probably are, but I know like the,

42:35

when I got the one. I

42:38

kept hearing Oh, 4k. 4k and it never

42:40

did 4k

42:41

I, I think, I think that the graphics

42:44

card and the connector support 4k,

42:47

but a lot of other things in the pipeline, like possibly

42:49

a TV don't, and too

42:51

few

42:52

I had a 4K

42:53

has not picked up. It

42:55

is not caught on the way. So these companies

42:57

are like, eh, we're not gonna put that much effort into it.

43:00

huh, well, we're going way past

43:02

4k on, on the PC side now

43:05

we're all talking about eight K.

43:06

you, are you kidding me? I have, I don't know how many

43:08

k it is. I'm, I'm currently looking at three monitors,

43:10

all of which are running at 19, 20 by 10.

43:13

So you're not even at 4K then

43:14

No, why

43:15

You're at a three quarters. K

43:17

I'm, I'm at, yeah. Okay.

43:20

Well, 4K is double the width,

43:22

double the height. So it's four times what

43:24

your single monitor is.

43:26

because, do you get 4K videos from YouTube?

43:29

Do you get 4K videos from PornHub?

43:31

Yeah.

43:33

I don't.

43:33

Well probably Cuz you don't have a TV that can play

43:36

and, and also because I

43:38

don't know that not a lot of people don't

43:40

have the bandwidth to do that.

43:43

Yeah, no, it's, I get plenty bad with,

43:45

I'm sure you do. You're, you're

43:47

it's Austin. Well you're in fricking Seattle.

43:49

You ought have plenty of bandwidth up there

43:51

in theory, I actually have two ISPs

43:53

here. One of them is cable,

43:56

where they keep mysteriously

43:58

bumping my download bandwidth up. And that would

44:00

probably work just fine. My, my cable

44:02

company currently says that

44:05

I should get like 1.2

44:07

gigabytes down or something like that,

44:09

you go. That's plenty for watching. High, high

44:11

def.

44:12

and 15 mega 15

44:14

megabytes up.

44:15

That's horrible.

44:16

That's horrible. It's awful. You

44:18

can't, you can't podcast on that for

44:20

sure. You

44:21

God

44:22

I, I can't run my, talk about

44:24

gaming. I can't run my Minecraft surfer on

44:26

that for sure.

44:26

Right,

44:27

so, so I don't use that because,

44:30

well, two things. One, the upload

44:32

bandwidth is absolutely pathetic. I think

44:34

they might have bumped it up to 25 or something.

44:37

But the other is that your

44:39

bandwidth is, they only

44:41

advertise burst or peak bandwidth.

44:44

And if you download it 1.2

44:47

gig for an hour,

44:49

you're more like getting five meg

44:52

because they will throttle you. Of course, they.

44:55

Oh, that sucks.

44:55

It's, this is what all cable companies

44:58

do. So I don't use that isp. The ISP

45:00

that I use has fiber to the

45:02

house. It's one of those where

45:05

the company that originally put it

45:07

in had some

45:09

kind of a government deal that said if

45:11

you want to roll out this service that you want,

45:14

then you have to supply premium

45:16

broadband to such and such number

45:18

of people. And I got on in on that deal

45:20

and then they got their rollout done

45:23

and they stopped accepting new customers. And for

45:25

contractual regulatory

45:27

reasons, they have to keep you on if

45:30

you continue paying. But if I ever

45:32

cancel the service, I will never be able to get it back.

45:34

And that is fiber optic to

45:37

the house, 35 megabits

45:40

symmetric, and it's

45:42

fucking solid. I cannot,

45:44

Hmm.

45:44

it will never go over 35 megabit,

45:47

but it will never go under that either.

45:50

Interesting. Okay. That sounds like Fios.

45:52

It is actually, it was originally

45:55

at and t Bio

45:57

and then it became Verizon fis

46:00

and then it got sold to a company called

46:02

Frontier. And then Frontier sold off their

46:04

broadband division. And then

46:06

it became a company. And I think now it's a company

46:08

called Simply and the

46:11

division is, it's, it's a wart

46:13

hanging on the side of the accounting of

46:16

all of these companies where they're like, for regulatory

46:18

purposes, we have to continue supplying

46:21

this. We just keep hoping that

46:23

the customers will move away

46:25

or die or cancel so that we don't have

46:27

to, cuz they never have to sign any new up.

46:29

Yeah. The so one of the benefits of being

46:31

in Austin proper is

46:34

the city has a tendency

46:36

to be like a test bed for a lot of companies.

46:39

So we have like four or five different

46:41

fiber providers here. And

46:43

so I've got one gig guaranteed

46:45

bidirectional, and

46:47

I'm paying 60 bucks

46:49

a month.

46:50

See, I would, I would be on that. Yeah.

46:53

Yeah.

46:53

Seattle would be like that, except that

46:55

the regulatory environment

46:57

in Seattle is so awful that

47:00

even the big tech companies around here are

47:02

like, yeah, we're gonna go and look in another state

47:04

to see if we can set stuff up.

47:06

Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, it's true.

47:08

But it's so the, I was talking about the X

47:11

Xbox. So this X Box series

47:13

X, which seems redundant get, lets

47:15

you do 120 frame per second

47:17

4K

47:18

when have you ever known Microsoft to be good at naming

47:20

things ever?

47:21

that, Hey, what was that staple thing's

47:24

Microsoft Windows 3.11 for

47:26

work groups.

47:27

That's a great name. What was that little

47:29

staple dude's name?

47:30

Clipy

47:31

Yep.

47:32

Staple Dude Works

47:33

Well, I, that was the description.

47:36

also. He is a paper clip, but I like Little Staple

47:38

dude.

47:39

Oh, you're right, you're right. He's not a staple.

47:41

He's a paper clip. That's why his name's Clippy. That

47:44

makes more sense. Actually now I think about

47:46

it. So yeah, I haven't really looked

47:48

at Xbox cuz just PC gaming,

47:50

like a lot of stuff I play. But, but

47:53

I will say that because I do like simulations

47:55

more than games. My favorite

47:57

space game is definitely curveball. And

48:01

curveball. I don't know. I don't know if they've got

48:03

it for other platforms. I know they've got

48:05

it for Mac, but it

48:07

is a it's, it's one of the few

48:10

games about space

48:12

that has real orbital

48:14

dynamics and real physics, and

48:17

which makes it, the learning curve

48:20

goes straight up. It's hyperbolic because

48:23

you start with, oh, cool, I can build a rocket to,

48:26

how do I shave off an

48:28

extra 20 kilograms because

48:30

my thrust just can't go there.

48:33

It's it, and it's also a lot of fun.

48:36

I used to,

48:36

I love it.

48:37

way back in the day, I used to play and,

48:39

and it was a stupid little game that's probably been clone

48:42

12 times, but I played one

48:44

called Bridge Simulator, which

48:46

was just you, you start

48:48

with these materials and you have to build the right

48:50

trust and girder system in order to support

48:53

a train going across it. And the

48:56

absolute best part of that was not

48:58

building a, a perfect triangular

49:01

trus going across. I mean, you, you

49:03

do that and then you're bored. No, it's

49:05

coming up with spectacular ways for it to fail.

49:07

Some of my favorite ones were the ones where,

49:09

it said you have to have a train and then a car

49:11

go across, and I'd

49:14

set it up with a big fulcrum

49:16

in the middle so that when the train, the

49:18

train would gain a little altitude

49:20

to the other side. When it finally got to the other side,

49:23

a couple things would snap on the bridge.

49:25

The train would fall into the exit area,

49:28

and the opposite end of the bridge, which just

49:30

candle levered over across the fulcrum, would

49:32

fling the car all the way across the canyon

49:34

and landed in the area.

49:36

Nice. Yeah. I've, I've played

49:39

those I think on a lot of platforms starting

49:41

with the we or certainly PC as well.

49:43

They can be really fun. I've watched the video

49:46

maybe a year ago. Of a,

49:49

an actual bridge architect playing that game.

49:52

And and it was really fun because

49:54

he was, he wasn't

49:56

just playing it, I mean, building the bridges for him

49:58

is kinda a no-brainer, but he was that

50:01

the, the version of the game that he was

50:03

playing, which I've got as well on Steam

50:06

lets you upload your bridge

50:08

designs and

50:10

the, he, he was looking at

50:12

what were the top rated bridge

50:14

designs and they were all

50:16

non-traditional, non-standard stuff.

50:19

Some of 'em doing what you described, which is

50:21

kind of gamifying the whole challenge

50:23

so that

50:25

I mean, the

50:25

goal is to get

50:26

the challenge was the car has to be on the other side.

50:29

right and so it doesn't matter how you get it

50:31

The game was not deep enough to simulate whether

50:33

or not the people inside the car survived

50:35

exactly, exactly. So

50:38

things like that. So it was fun watching this guy

50:40

like, just his head,

50:42

steam coming out of his ears as he watching these

50:44

designs and going, no, that's not how you do that.

50:47

Yeah.

50:48

no, it was pretty,

50:49

I'm gonna, I'm gonna get to the, the

50:52

one point I've been dancing around and the main reason

50:54

why I'm abandoning console gaming, and

50:56

it is

50:56

Yeah.

50:58

a characteristic that anymore

51:00

at this point is absolutely

51:02

necessary for me to, for a game,

51:04

to hold my interest for more than the

51:07

time that it takes to get through a play, through once,

51:10

if that, and that is

51:13

being able to introduce

51:15

my, know, once, once I've gone

51:17

through all of the rules and, and

51:19

physics and the, the

51:22

parameters that the developers

51:24

carefully balance. I want

51:26

to unbalance them. I want to be able to make

51:28

mods. I want be able to install mods. Kebo

51:30

does have this property. The game that I keep

51:32

going back to.

51:33

huge, huge modern

51:35

Oh yeah. The game. I keep going back to Minecraft,

51:37

which I think is probably one of the most audible games

51:40

in the world,

51:41

Yep.

51:41

I, I play a lot of Bethesda games because

51:44

e every single play through I'll go

51:47

ahead and load up a different set of mods and suddenly

51:49

I'm playing a different game.

51:50

MA mods really make

51:53

a game go from good to great.

51:55

For sure. And I'm a

51:57

little biased because I've done

51:59

and more importantly, if I can't write my own and install

52:01

my own mods, then, then

52:04

I've got one play through in me, and then I'm uninstalling

52:06

and I'm

52:06

And you're done. Yeah.

52:08

and any more, I, I have, especially

52:10

with console, I have so little time to

52:12

play that even,

52:15

dedicating my time to learning

52:17

enough about the game and understanding

52:19

that and, get good. This

52:21

is why I'll never play competitive online

52:23

again when, you have to put in a thousand hours

52:25

just to be able to hold your own against the people

52:28

who are gonna snipe you with a pistol from

52:30

12 miles away. Is,

52:32

is, I don't have,

52:34

I don't put in the time for gaming anymore

52:37

that would be necessary to

52:39

get good. And so I want,

52:41

my time is going to be spent doing things that I

52:43

know are going to be constantly novel experiences.

52:46

You never get that with competitive online, and you hardly

52:49

get it with a game that's like,

52:51

yeah, you just start here in one place

52:53

and you play through the campaign and then you're

52:56

Yeah. I've always liked the open world games

52:58

a lot more, and certainly open

53:00

the world with modding. It just makes

53:03

it tremendously

53:04

I recently

53:04

I, and I,

53:05

oh,

53:06

yeah, can say I agree

53:08

about the wanting yourself. So I've

53:11

done that for three different games. I've written mods for,

53:13

including Curb. And

53:16

being able to solve a problem

53:19

that you are noticing in game yourself

53:22

without waiting for somebody else to do

53:24

it is just a tremendous freedom

53:26

and flexibility.

53:28

I, I, I, I like a game cannot

53:30

hold my attention if

53:32

I can't download the game. And

53:34

then the next directory over download the modding

53:36

tools for that game. And, and, and

53:38

part of it is I'm a programmer, which, you know, Minecraft

53:41

for example, Minecraft has come

53:43

a long, long way with regards

53:46

to their in-game scripting system

53:48

and being able to, they now have a, a full

53:50

on system with command blocks where you put

53:52

a block in and you enter command and the command executes

53:55

and it can do a lot of things, but

53:57

there's nothing that even compares to

53:59

being able to crack open the Java archive

54:01

and start injecting your own class files,

54:04

which is still how I'm mod. I have to have

54:06

a Java compiler and you have to basically be

54:08

a job a programmer, which is not

54:10

something that I'll readily admit, but I do know how to

54:12

write a code.

54:14

Mm-hmm.

54:14

Yeah. So I, I

54:17

recently went, I started a

54:19

new game in Fallout

54:22

three, I think that was

54:24

2006 game of the year. So we're

54:26

talking what,

54:27

a pretty old game. Yeah.

54:28

Because I found a new mod

54:30

to attach to it. This mod it

54:33

gives you, it like has some

54:35

backstory attached to it that says,

54:37

through radiation exposure, cuz

54:39

that's what fallout's about. You have a mutation

54:42

that turns you into a giant green hulk and

54:45

it's pretty simple. What it does is if

54:47

your health drops below a certain level, then

54:50

it increases the scale of your character.

54:52

It turns your skin green.

54:56

It four equips on you,

54:59

a loin cloth and some

55:02

brass knuckles, and

55:04

it increases your defense

55:06

to be almost invulnerable and your

55:08

dam your hand to hand damage

55:10

to be immense. And

55:12

then, so the whole way the game

55:14

plays is if your health drops below a certain

55:16

level, you hook out and then

55:19

your guns are taken away from you and you have to punch

55:21

things until you, your health comes

55:23

back and you calm down and then you change

55:25

back. And it completely changed

55:27

the game so much that I'm fi, I'm,

55:29

I'm enjoying playing Fallout three at

55:31

the 16 year old game again, because

55:34

I'm like, I've never played like this. Like

55:37

it's kind of a meta game. Like I need to, I

55:39

really need to snipe this guy. So I need to not

55:42

get hit so much that I lose access to my sniper.

55:44

I, oh, oh, he got me. Okay. It's time

55:46

to run up and just punch him in the face.

55:48

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, that's interesting. That's

55:50

it's fun when you can replay

55:52

a game in a totally different, see, this

55:55

is one of the things I really like about Cyber Funk

55:57

77, is that they've

56:00

incorporated even without mods,

56:02

but they do have tons of mods for the game. But even without

56:04

mods, they've incorporated enough

56:06

variability for play throughs to where

56:09

you're not feeling like, okay,

56:11

I've done it once, now I'm done. Because

56:13

not only can your character be male or female,

56:16

but there are really about four

56:18

different styles of play. And it

56:20

makes sense cuz this, originally was a

56:23

Dungeons and Dragons knockoff

56:25

into a cyberpunk future. That's

56:28

how that genre started.

56:30

Interesting that you bring up male or female

56:32

because in my experience,

56:35

lots of games let you choose that, but

56:37

it offers almost no replayability

56:39

because it's not politically correct to

56:42

make the gameplay different depending

56:44

on the player's.

56:45

Well, cyberpunk definitely makes a

56:47

difference because there are different characters

56:50

that you can of romance, if you know what I mean.

56:53

Is that central to the gameplay or, or

56:55

is that

56:55

Yeah, yeah. It actually is, it,

56:57

it affects on what happens

57:00

towards end game.

57:01

Okay.

57:02

It's an extension of your sort of friendship

57:05

standing.

57:05

Okay.

57:06

So if, if, if you're a boyfriend

57:08

or girlfriend of one of the characters,

57:10

they can assist you

57:13

in the final boss battles,

57:15

I remember a long time ago

57:16

kind of thing.

57:17

I was playing some game and one

57:19

of my roommates at the time looks and says

57:22

I noticed that all these games, I think I was playing

57:24

like mass effect or something. My roommate says,

57:26

in, in all these games, I notice

57:28

you always choose a female character.

57:30

Are you

57:31

Mm-hmm.

57:32

I said, no, there's absolutely no

57:34

gameplay difference between the male

57:36

and female character in most of these games. And

57:39

if, especially in a third person game,

57:41

I, if I'm going to have to stare at

57:43

my character's ass for an 80 hour play through,

57:46

I want it to be something worth looking at.

57:48

Well, and that, that's a funny point you bring up

57:50

cuz I, I generally do the opposite. I've always

57:52

tried to model a character as close to what

57:55

I actually look like as

57:56

Yeah. Most of the game options don't have,

57:58

create a, a fat pudgy, bearded

58:00

guy.

58:01

well, they don't, but, but you know, I do have

58:04

photographs back from when I was in my twenties

58:06

to remind me of what I used to look like. But

58:08

the, in fact, if you look at, if you're

58:10

one of my friends

58:13

in Steam, my steam

58:15

avatar image is an actual photo

58:17

of me when I was much, much younger.

58:19

But anyway, the, the

58:23

I've always just played as a male character. And then

58:25

in some games I've seen people

58:27

playing as females. I'm like, dude, what the fuck?

58:30

And there's generally been two

58:32

replies as to why. Now you just

58:34

provided one of 'em, which is in

58:36

third person. If I'm staring at the back of something,

58:38

I'd not, I'd rather stare at a, a

58:41

nice chick butt than some dude's ass.

58:44

The other reason is that in some games, the

58:46

female characters have

58:48

smaller hit boxes.

58:50

Yes.

58:50

do the same damage shooting, but

58:53

it's harder for them to shoot you cuz

58:55

you're small and, and

58:57

so that, that makes a

58:59

there, there is in fact a tactical advantage

59:01

in some games. I think,

59:02

Right, right. So

59:04

there is definitely a difference there.

59:06

But I will say that this

59:09

cyberpunk is probably one of

59:11

the first games, maybe, maybe second,

59:13

but not many. Where I've

59:15

in my initial play through was

59:18

with a female character for the exact

59:20

reason you mentioned, which is when

59:22

she's riding a motorcycle and she's

59:24

wearing those pink hot daisy dukes,

59:27

it like, why would you play

59:29

a male character ever for any reason,

59:32

even if it's a bigger hit box. It's like this is,

59:35

this is a much better view

59:37

of riding around the city on a motorcycle.

59:39

and, and you probably spend a non-trivial

59:42

amount of time riding around the city

59:44

on a motorcycle, because in an open world

59:46

game, you find yourself wanting

59:48

to go places that are not right near where you are

59:50

over and over again. Travel,

59:52

Well, and that, and that's where the missions, the good

59:54

missions are. Like, they're not next to the

59:56

fast travels. They're next to like nothing

59:59

It, it fast Travel is okay.

1:00:02

Total side rant. Fast travel is such

1:00:04

a ban on open World games. It

1:00:06

destroys immersion so

1:00:08

much. It's only necessary if

1:00:10

you have designed your world such

1:00:13

that the places you need to go

1:00:15

are really far away and it's boring to

1:00:17

get there.

1:00:18

Mm-hmm.

1:00:19

And, and that is a game design issue

1:00:21

that a lot of people are like, well,

1:00:23

we notice, we notice in, in

1:00:25

fallout this person has to go the entire

1:00:27

length of the map and at normal walking speeds,

1:00:29

it takes nine minutes to get there. And

1:00:32

we haven't populated enough interesting things

1:00:34

along the way. So you're just walking across this

1:00:36

blasted terrain for nine minutes and people

1:00:38

are gonna get bored. So let's just put an option

1:00:40

in the menu that lets you click on it. Well, okay,

1:00:43

Yeah.

1:00:44

you've destroyed immersion twice then. Congratulations.

1:00:47

Yeah, no, I, I totally agree with that. The,

1:00:50

the way, this is one of the things the way

1:00:53

that suburb punk presents

1:00:55

fast travel is they have a, like a subway

1:00:57

system that goes through a city.

1:00:58

Okay, well

1:00:59

you're

1:00:59

at least more immersive than, than click

1:01:02

on this and teleport

1:01:03

but it is nonetheless teleporting.

1:01:05

So you're, you go up to the sideways, you click

1:01:07

on the subway, and then you're teleport to the new

1:01:09

area, which is, it's cheaty,

1:01:11

but at least they're trying to make an attempt at it.

1:01:14

And there's way too many stops if you ask

1:01:16

me. There's too many ways to fast travel

1:01:18

in star citizen. There

1:01:20

is no fast travel. Well, you, you wake

1:01:23

there at least ftl? I mean,

1:01:24

There

1:01:24

to, you don't have to build a generational

1:01:27

ship to get from one planet to the other. Do

1:01:29

no, there is a

1:01:31

quantum drive, which is essentially

1:01:33

ftl but it uses fuel and it still

1:01:35

takes a long time. So I, I'll give

1:01:38

you just a short scenario

1:01:40

around that. You wake up in a whenever

1:01:42

you log into the game in like a

1:01:44

hotel you have to go downstairs,

1:01:46

leave the building, and you go downstairs

1:01:49

by taking an elevator while

1:01:51

you are waiting for an elevator. Cuz you have to wait

1:01:53

for it. You can look around

1:01:55

and look at advertising or

1:01:57

the scenery. And then you get in the elevator. Elevator

1:02:00

takes probably about 45

1:02:02

seconds to get you down to the

1:02:04

the game actually have advertising?

1:02:05

It's in game ads. It's not,

1:02:06

Oh, so is, is it ads for

1:02:08

all fake product ads. No, no, no. It's

1:02:10

all fake product. Well, it's, it's ads for things like

1:02:12

spaceship

1:02:13

okay. Oh, oh, no, that's fine. That, that improves

1:02:15

immersion without

1:02:17

yeah. It's immersive

1:02:18

I've just,

1:02:18

and then you walk outside the building and

1:02:20

you

1:02:21

by the way, the, the trend very

1:02:23

recently

1:02:24

for real

1:02:24

real ads being injected into games?

1:02:27

Now there is one game where I actually

1:02:29

have a mod that injects real ads because

1:02:31

I think it adds to the reality, which is American

1:02:34

truck simulator. So if I'm driving

1:02:36

around the country in a truck,

1:02:39

in a video game, it's much better

1:02:41

to see an ad for an actual McDonald's

1:02:44

than for a fake in-game brand

1:02:46

as long as the developer is getting

1:02:48

paid by McDonald's to put that in.

1:02:50

Well, no, because this is why it has to

1:02:52

be a a mod is because

1:02:55

clearly the developer at McDonald's don't

1:02:57

have a deal,

1:02:57

See, I would, I would,

1:02:59

with a mod

1:03:00

like that to inject, porn images

1:03:02

or something.

1:03:03

Oh, well, I don't know. Maybe there is one like that, but

1:03:05

I, I kinda like the, the more

1:03:07

realistic look. But anyway, so you get

1:03:10

out of the building, you

1:03:10

see a big billboard with nothing but boobs on

1:03:12

it. I mean, come on,

1:03:14

if you live

1:03:15

I would

1:03:15

in LA maybe,

1:03:16

be much more interested in driving truck if that,

1:03:18

if we could see that on the

1:03:19

if you could see that. No, there's, yeah,

1:03:22

there's a, you could definitely see that at a truck stop,

1:03:24

let's put it that way. They have

1:03:26

those. So you get out of the building, then you have

1:03:28

to walk, find your

1:03:30

way to the the trolley

1:03:33

that goes to the airport, wait

1:03:35

for the trolley to show up or the whatever

1:03:37

method of transport. Get in there

1:03:39

and you're in it in real time as

1:03:42

it's driving to the airport. Gets to the airport.

1:03:45

So then you can go and request

1:03:48

your spaceship, be brought out to hangar,

1:03:51

wait a little bit of time, then go to the elevator,

1:03:53

which takes you to your hanger to get

1:03:55

to your actual spaceship. So basically

1:03:57

You're, you're kind of

1:03:59

it's 15 minutes.

1:04:00

you're kind of describing fast travel that, that

1:04:02

has, multiple modes and point to point networks

1:04:05

and, and

1:04:06

Well, but it's not really fast travel cuz it

1:04:08

takes you 15 anytime you die.

1:04:10

slow travel.

1:04:11

It's slow travel. Anytime you die, and this is

1:04:13

one of the gripes that people have, you can't

1:04:15

get right back in the action because when you die,

1:04:18

you spawn back at your hotel and it takes you 15 minutes

1:04:20

just to get to the damn spaceship

1:04:23

leaving the

1:04:24

tell the wines that if they want a realistic

1:04:26

game, then every time you die, you

1:04:28

get banned from the game permanently, because

1:04:31

that's how real life

1:04:31

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they're adding Perma

1:04:34

death to the game as well.

1:04:35

Of

1:04:36

It's not fully in yet, but they're talking about

1:04:38

doing that in the next few patches.

1:04:39

I don't, I don't appreciate that in a game. Minecraft

1:04:42

has something called hardcore mode where if

1:04:44

you, if you die

1:04:46

the way I play most games. Yep,

1:04:48

and, and yeah. Congratulations.

1:04:50

You have succeeded. This is extremely immersive

1:04:53

and not a game I wanna play.

1:04:55

Yeah. Well, and that's where that continuum

1:04:58

from simulation to a game

1:05:00

goes into force, the, the

1:05:02

star citizen guy's motto is

1:05:04

they have what they kind of call the rule of

1:05:06

Cool, which is that we're

1:05:09

gonna try and make things fairly realistic,

1:05:11

but if, if realism gets

1:05:13

in the way of it being cool, then we're gonna go with

1:05:15

Cool

1:05:16

So, who did fast travel really well, in my opinion,

1:05:19

and this, this is going back almost 20 years, there

1:05:21

was a game elder Scrolls game called Morrow Wind.

1:05:23

Hmm.

1:05:24

Have you played that

1:05:25

I'd never played that.

1:05:26

So the way every Elder

1:05:28

Scrolls game since has been

1:05:30

the pull up your menu, click somewhere

1:05:32

on the map, and you just teleport there

1:05:35

and it simulates time passing in the game.

1:05:37

That's, that's how fast travel works,

1:05:39

which basically is simulates you walk

1:05:41

there. Well, first of all, if the game was

1:05:43

sufficiently immersive, you'd never want to do

1:05:45

that. And secondly,

1:05:46

You should

1:05:47

it's totally unrealistic on account

1:05:49

of if you did take the time to walk

1:05:51

there, you would get in encounters, you would fight

1:05:53

things, you'd pick up items, you'd do things. This

1:05:55

just simulates, oh, we just got from here

1:05:57

to there, time passed and you didn't encounter anything

1:06:00

at all. Which I, so

1:06:02

Nothing tried to kill you.

1:06:03

I hate fast travel because I don't

1:06:05

See? Okay. Let me ask you this. What if you have

1:06:07

fast travel that has, let's say, a

1:06:09

lot of 10 chance of killing you,

1:06:12

I don't know that I'd use it.

1:06:14

Well, that might be a good thing,

1:06:15

I, I mean, I would use

1:06:17

the slow travel that has a chance of killing me

1:06:19

because at least then I would get to

1:06:21

see the, the giant grizzly bear that

1:06:23

put my face off and be like, oh, maybe

1:06:26

I should have avoided it. But,

1:06:28

Oh, you rolled a three. Sorry about

1:06:30

that. Your character died in the woods

1:06:32

That you're, you're getting into another,

1:06:34

another peeve of, of

1:06:36

gaming that bothers me is, is

1:06:39

when you have

1:06:41

major life decisions being handed

1:06:43

over to the r g. No, thank you, but.

1:06:46

dude, that's like every

1:06:47

the, the way that fast travel works

1:06:49

in Mara Wind is there's

1:06:52

like six different flat fast

1:06:54

travel networks. First of all there's

1:06:57

boats. So the first

1:06:59

place that you start is on the coast

1:07:01

and you can in fact go

1:07:04

in the starting town to a boat

1:07:06

and talk to the vendor there.

1:07:08

And he will take you to either

1:07:10

of the next towns, like

1:07:13

one of the next towns or the next big town

1:07:15

along the coast

1:07:17

Mm-hmm.

1:07:17

okay, that's kind of immersive cuz even

1:07:20

though it, it still teleports

1:07:22

you there and then simulates

1:07:24

time passing, you're at least, okay, I,

1:07:27

my character spent time on a boat ride we're good.

1:07:29

And then if you get farther inland, they have

1:07:32

these giant hollowed

1:07:34

out bug things. It's in lo but

1:07:36

who, which are basically horses

1:07:38

that are the size of a tank that

1:07:42

walk across the landscape

1:07:44

on these super long legs. And

1:07:46

you can get in one of those and go to the inland

1:07:48

cities. So that's a completely different network.

1:07:51

So you can go to the, the boat person

1:07:53

or you can go to the silt Strider

1:07:56

vendor to be on

1:07:58

a completely different network, goes to different places.

1:08:01

And then there's also what

1:08:03

else? There's, there's magical fast

1:08:05

travel. There's two spells that you can learn

1:08:07

if you join certain factions. One

1:08:09

of them merely teleports you when

1:08:12

you activate the spell to the nearest

1:08:14

temple and one teleports you

1:08:16

to the nearest military. And

1:08:18

so when you wanna get from point

1:08:20

A to point B on the map, you don't

1:08:23

open up the map and click Okay, I wanna be

1:08:25

here. You open up the map and go.

1:08:27

Okay. So if I

1:08:29

activate this spell, it takes me to the fort

1:08:32

where I know there's a silt rider vendor that can take

1:08:34

me to this city where I then can

1:08:36

activate the other spell because that'll take me to the

1:08:38

temple, north of the city. And then I

1:08:41

can walk from the temple down the path to the boat,

1:08:43

which will take me to my destination. And

1:08:45

now you are gamifying fast travel.

1:08:48

Yeah, exactly. That's a good way of doing it because

1:08:50

it breaks it up. So it's not just point

1:08:52

to point from wherever you are to where you

1:08:54

want to be, but you still have to plot

1:08:57

a course. But I'm sure it's still what

1:08:59

much faster than just

1:09:00

Oh, it's much faster than walking. It's it's another

1:09:02

scrolls game, so trying to walk across

1:09:04

the map is, is, I hope you've got a half hour

1:09:06

of real time.

1:09:07

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,

1:09:10

and there are certainly games that just like,

1:09:12

I don't know if you've ever played satisfactory, but

1:09:14

they don't have fast travel. So the closest thing

1:09:16

to fast travel is if you want

1:09:18

to get from one side of the map to the other quickly,

1:09:21

well, guess what you need to do? You need to build a railroad

1:09:24

piece by piece, the entire thing. And

1:09:27

once you build it, then you need to, build

1:09:29

a train, put it on there, and then

1:09:32

set it up to go back and forth. And then once

1:09:34

the train's running, now you can jump on

1:09:36

your own train and then catch it to

1:09:38

go across the map

1:09:39

And, and it's reasonable and immersive

1:09:41

to say Yes, I'm riding my own

1:09:43

train car on the rails that I

1:09:45

built, and I'm probably not gonna have encounters along the

1:09:47

way.

1:09:48

Oh, you still have encounters. I mean, it's, it's not

1:09:51

at all fast travel. It's literally just instead

1:09:53

of walking speed, you now have a hundred kilometer

1:09:56

an hour train speed

1:09:56

Okay.

1:09:57

or 200 kilometer, whatever it is. It's,

1:10:00

but you're literally having to just advance technologically

1:10:03

now that, that speed of advancement isn't

1:10:05

realistic at all. Of course, but

1:10:08

do they actually simulate train

1:10:10

crashes?

1:10:11

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it, but, and it's not,

1:10:14

I mean, it's not fast travel. That's why I'm using as in

1:10:16

like alternative to fast travel or the only

1:10:19

way to accelerate your travel. But

1:10:21

you're still not teleporting. You're literally just

1:10:24

creating a vehicle that goes faster

1:10:26

before you get to the trains. You

1:10:28

unlock cars. So cars

1:10:30

are a little faster than the walking trains

1:10:33

are a lot faster than the walking.

1:10:35

And then there's always the games that just put in an

1:10:37

airship,

1:10:38

Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:10:40

right?

1:10:41

And that's always a little cheaty for most games

1:10:43

because I remember

1:10:45

I

1:10:45

I played a lot of arc, I don't know if you ever got into

1:10:47

arc. I did like 3000 hours in Arc

1:10:49

and I wrote some moss for it. It

1:10:52

was, it was it started off as a

1:10:54

early release unfinished game on steam

1:10:57

where you wake up on an island and nothing but

1:10:59

a loing cloth and you

1:11:01

know nothing about it. And so it's

1:11:04

complete open world. You have to build survival

1:11:07

shit, but it, but all of a

1:11:09

sudden you notice it. They're dinosaur running around.

1:11:11

Oh

1:11:12

And so that's where the danger as

1:11:14

well as the supply of meat and leather

1:11:16

comes from, is the dinosaurs

1:11:18

there. And then he took that and, and kinda over the

1:11:20

years of making the game added

1:11:23

a lot more magical elements, which I'm not a fan of.

1:11:25

I prefer the dinosaurs just as

1:11:27

they were originally,

1:11:28

Because dinosaurs are much closer to the reality.

1:11:31

We live in

1:11:31

Well, they're not mythical, at least,

1:11:34

That's what

1:11:35

I I do think

1:11:36

Don't go ask the book of Genesis.

1:11:37

There are dinosaurs in. They just

1:11:39

stayed in the Garden of Eden cuz they're perfect.

1:11:42

They weren't kicked out, unlike man.

1:11:45

Man was perfect. It was woman

1:11:47

the, the, the snakes were definitely kicked

1:11:49

out. Well, clearly man was not perfect

1:11:51

if he let woman fuck it up, a perfect

1:11:53

man would've said, I'm gonna watch you eat that Apple

1:11:55

first.

1:11:56

Be like, kick that bitch to the curb. There's gonna be another

1:11:59

one. Come

1:11:59

It's like, Hey, God, there's a version

1:12:01

too coming.

1:12:02

Yeah. This, this one has

1:12:04

a bug

1:12:05

Yeah. No, she's, she's like 20 when I married

1:12:07

her. And at this point, clearly we

1:12:09

see there are

1:12:10

and she's not putting out the way I

1:12:12

apple eating, I mean, what's up with that?

1:12:15

Yeah. So there's so in arc

1:12:17

everything is really hard because you realize

1:12:19

these dinosaurs are way bigger and more powerful than

1:12:21

you. And, and they see you as food, frankly.

1:12:24

And there are things you can do and build up,

1:12:26

build a little, little mud

1:12:29

hut or a wooden house or

1:12:31

brick house or whatever. But, but

1:12:33

when you get that first pact,

1:12:36

that first flying dinosaur and then there are

1:12:38

changes the

1:12:39

flying ones, it changes the game because

1:12:41

all of a sudden you can just fly

1:12:43

over the danger instead of having

1:12:45

to deal with the danger or avoid the danger

1:12:48

by going around it. And that just,

1:12:50

I mean, it's cool to fly, but it also kind

1:12:53

of makes the game less challenging in

1:12:55

any

1:12:55

I mean, what you described, I, my

1:12:58

experience with that is way, way back in the day,

1:13:00

I used to play a lot of J RPGs back when

1:13:02

I didn't respect my time.

1:13:04

game. Mm-hmm.

1:13:05

When, when we did that, there

1:13:08

was actually a measure that,

1:13:10

that, that I would use a metric applied

1:13:13

to the game overall. And

1:13:15

it was time to airship. And

1:13:18

what it was, was the, the

1:13:20

game is always built. In,

1:13:23

not always, but a lot, a lot

1:13:25

of 'em follow this formula where the game is built

1:13:27

such that there's a, a

1:13:29

usually linear or barely branching

1:13:31

path from the starting city

1:13:33

to the next one you're supposed to go to, to the next

1:13:36

one because you're following the story.

1:13:38

And the narrative requires that you do events

1:13:40

in a certain order. And so in order to

1:13:42

enforce that order, you, you're on

1:13:44

foot and then maybe you carry, catch

1:13:46

a railroad, which is just a point to point. And then,

1:13:48

there might be some chabos that let you

1:13:50

cross this desert, but then it forces you off the

1:13:52

chabos when you get to the other side. And it's

1:13:54

very linear up to

1:13:57

a certain point where you've reached a point

1:13:59

in the narrative where it decides

1:14:01

to branch out. And at that point they always

1:14:03

give you an air ship. And now

1:14:05

you can get in the air ship and fly

1:14:07

off and go to any place that you've

1:14:10

been in the previous part. And

1:14:12

there's gonna be places that you couldn't get in any

1:14:14

of the linear paths. You have to go to the air ship, and

1:14:16

that's how you advance the plot from there.

1:14:18

And it's usually near the end of the game. But

1:14:21

it was a measure of the game to

1:14:23

always say, well, how long to the airship,

1:14:26

like, final Fantasy seven one that I played

1:14:28

way too much had a time of time

1:14:30

to airship of about 30 hours.

1:14:33

Okay,

1:14:33

the tutorial in that one was about 10 hours.

1:14:35

That's before how long it took to get outta the starting

1:14:37

city. But

1:14:39

sure.

1:14:40

you're, you're, it's two completely

1:14:43

different games when you are

1:14:46

on the golden path that you can't deviate

1:14:48

from, you have to visit this city. You have to

1:14:50

encounter these narrative events. You have to vi this,

1:14:52

you have to fight these people. You have to beat this boss,

1:14:55

you have to do this, now you have the airship,

1:14:57

and it suddenly transforms from

1:14:59

a linear adventure into an open world. Completely

1:15:02

different game

1:15:03

Yep. No, I, I totally agree

1:15:05

and I relish those limiting

1:15:07

times, and don't get me wrong,

1:15:09

I love flying in every game that has

1:15:11

flying, but. Before

1:15:13

you get to flying is where

1:15:15

you have to actually

1:15:18

solve problems. And it's

1:15:20

not just always a God button.

1:15:22

Oh, well I just fly over that. There,

1:15:24

there's sure. That could be dangers than flying

1:15:26

too. Somebody could be shooting at you, whatever.

1:15:29

But the dangers are greatly

1:15:31

diminished when

1:15:33

when you're three dimensional

1:15:36

instead of two

1:15:37

See again, I feel like that can be solved with

1:15:39

game design. It feels like what, what they

1:15:41

haven't done is put any

1:15:43

encounters in the air.

1:15:45

Well, and they, they even, in

1:15:47

our, they eventually did, they, they put in

1:15:49

dragons,

1:15:50

Okay.

1:15:51

which are faster and bigger than

1:15:53

you, and they fly.

1:15:54

I mean, I,

1:15:55

And so if you're a tdac

1:15:57

or whatever, or any of the, the animals

1:15:59

that fly in that game the dragon

1:16:01

creates a very real threat to you.

1:16:04

And it's not just dragons of other critters

1:16:06

as well. But and certainly all of that got added

1:16:08

later because be the, the initially

1:16:10

when you were flying, there's

1:16:12

just not much that could harm you.

1:16:14

sure. I recently,

1:16:17

go ahead. Go ahead

1:16:17

I, I, I recently played a,

1:16:19

a game called divinity, I think it was

1:16:21

called. Where, or Divinity

1:16:24

two or what? It, it, it, anyway the plot

1:16:26

of this game is that

1:16:28

you are cursed

1:16:31

by a dragon to ultimately become a,

1:16:34

a Dragon knight. And the first

1:16:36

half of the game, the game is basically

1:16:39

broken up into two main

1:16:42

over worlds. The first half of the game

1:16:44

is trying to awaken your dragon powers.

1:16:46

And one thing I don't like about it is

1:16:48

that once you do, you can't go back

1:16:50

to the first half of the game cuz it just locks

1:16:53

it off. But it that notwithstanding

1:16:55

the second half of the game is you have your

1:16:57

dragon powers and when you are

1:17:00

in dragon form you, you don't have

1:17:02

to worry about infantry on the, on

1:17:04

the battlements cuz you can just roll up and breathe

1:17:06

fire on them. That feels incredibly awesome.

1:17:09

But now you have to worry about the ballistas

1:17:12

on the battlements that are firing at you. And

1:17:14

you never had to worry about the Ballistas cuz ballistas

1:17:16

do not fire at a a, a person

1:17:19

walking around.

1:17:20

Sure.

1:17:21

so it it, it is a completely different

1:17:23

game where you've got

1:17:25

different things you have to think about, but you still

1:17:27

have the freedom of flying within the constraints.

1:17:30

Like it, it has a, there's an

1:17:32

invisible ceiling you can't go above and

1:17:34

there's a lot of places where the cliff walls go above

1:17:36

the ceiling in order to box you in. But

1:17:39

the, the whole game

1:17:42

in, in the dragon section is built

1:17:44

around you can, it, it's almost

1:17:46

a two world game where you can switch

1:17:49

and you're looking at the same place. And now all those,

1:17:52

all those people with the, the bows and

1:17:54

arrows and really big swords that were completely

1:17:56

working you over when you were in human form.

1:17:58

You go to Dragon form and you could just cook them

1:18:00

and then they're done. But now you gotta watch

1:18:03

out because they're gonna send airships after you. Something

1:18:05

like that. And it, you

1:18:08

just reminded me of that. I don't really have a point

1:18:10

there other than there's,

1:18:12

it's easy enough to build a game

1:18:15

balance such that you're like, oh, you get this

1:18:17

new power. Well now you have

1:18:19

a whole different set of things to worry about. And

1:18:21

I feel like the, the,

1:18:24

like the Final Fantasy games back then, or the

1:18:26

J RPGs I used to play were great

1:18:28

examples of, of they didn't do that because

1:18:30

as soon as you got the airship, you're like, yeah, you've just

1:18:32

got freedom to move wherever just now

1:18:34

play it as open world

1:18:36

Yeah. Yeah. And, and there's, see,

1:18:39

this is where I think the simulations simulation

1:18:41

games have an edge because there

1:18:44

are inherent risks with any upgraded

1:18:47

te. So you, you're building airplanes.

1:18:49

You finally conquered the flight

1:18:52

through an atmosphere. But traveling

1:18:56

outside the atmosphere and building

1:18:58

a rocket presents a whole other

1:19:01

slew of potential

1:19:03

problems for you. You've learned

1:19:05

how to how to actually achieve

1:19:07

orbit around the planet. But

1:19:10

now flying to

1:19:12

a moon of is a whole

1:19:14

slew of other things you never needed to

1:19:16

worry about that you now have to worry about

1:19:18

that all have a chance of screwing you up.

1:19:20

if you achieve orbit around a planet,

1:19:22

then your first concern should not be flying

1:19:24

to a moon. It should be how do I reenter without

1:19:26

burning up?

1:19:27

Yeah. Well, the, the first orbit you

1:19:29

achieve as a non return flight,

1:19:32

it's like, it's Sputnik, right? It's just

1:19:34

can I get to the point where I can actually

1:19:36

put

1:19:37

can you go all Kim Jong un and start

1:19:39

randomly firing missiles into oceans

1:19:41

and stuff?

1:19:41

Yeah. Yeah, you could totally do that in ki I mean,

1:19:43

it's, it doesn't really achieve much

1:19:46

to do that. But if you find

1:19:47

a lot of

1:19:48

you can certainly

1:19:48

Jong un isn't achieving much by firing

1:19:51

missiles into the ocean either. I personally

1:19:53

think that he is the only thing standing

1:19:55

us standing between us and a kaiju

1:19:57

apocalypse. But I may be wrong,

1:20:00

Okay. You never know. You never know. I

1:20:02

think that he is too easy to

1:20:04

make fun of and that makes

1:20:07

me suspicious

1:20:08

I think Joe Biden is easy to make fun of too.

1:20:11

and that also makes me suspicious cuz who's

1:20:13

pulling the strings?

1:20:14

Obama?

1:20:15

That sure seems like it doesn't.

1:20:17

Well, I, it's either Obama

1:20:19

did want a third

1:20:20

whoever was driving Obama, because it's exactly

1:20:22

the same

1:20:23

wife, Right, exactly.

1:20:26

So I, I don't know, man. There's one other game since

1:20:28

we've been on this game, ran for

1:20:30

This seems to like be like a a gaming

1:20:32

podcast at this.

1:20:33

There, there's not enough of those on the no

1:20:35

agenda stream. I just don't see gaming

1:20:37

talked about

1:20:38

Gaming is not a big subject on the No agenda

1:20:40

stream. It is. There are a lot

1:20:42

of gaming podcasts out there.

1:20:44

Yeah. Yeah, there are, there are specialty

1:20:46

ones, but not on this little corner

1:20:49

of the

1:20:49

kinda all you get.

1:20:50

Yeah. And, and a lot of basically

1:20:53

advertising for only fans

1:20:54

yes.

1:20:55

and there's plenty of that happening.

1:20:56

Well, it's

1:20:57

Anyway, this game is

1:20:58

but I might be biased.

1:20:59

this game's called Green Hell, I'm

1:21:02

sure you've never heard of

1:21:02

I, I've heard the

1:21:03

although they do, I think they, they do have a version

1:21:06

on Xbox. Actually. I, I know that for a fact

1:21:08

as they talked about it. Green

1:21:10

Hill is a game slash simulation

1:21:13

This game is called Angela Stripper

1:21:15

Titties. Oh, wait,

1:21:16

that, that, that's a different game. Yes. And

1:21:19

incidentally, steam does have an X-rated game

1:21:21

section. You just have to check box the box that

1:21:23

lets you view them.

1:21:24

I'm not surprised at all.

1:21:26

yeah. I literally didn't know that

1:21:28

he had that until this year and I was like, really?

1:21:31

Holy shit. There's a lot of games in there. Anyway,

1:21:33

so this,

1:21:34

you played them all

1:21:35

haven't, I have not paid a dime for any

1:21:37

of that shit. No, I haven't. I've seen some videos like

1:21:39

you can find videos from those games,

1:21:42

but I haven't, I haven't paid free

1:21:44

any of that shit. I mean, it's kinda like, eh,

1:21:47

I mean,

1:21:48

Well,

1:21:49

you're old enough, have you done all this shit in real life?

1:21:51

It's kinda like, how much fun is it doing in the video

1:21:53

of all, if you, anybody from

1:21:55

the nineties knows that if you

1:21:58

pay for porn in any form, you're a sucker.

1:22:01

Pretty much. But, and the,

1:22:03

these games I'm sure are much better than leadership,

1:22:05

Larry. Anyway, so the Green Hill is

1:22:07

a game where you are

1:22:09

a biologist that goes to

1:22:12

the Amazonian force

1:22:14

with his girlfriend, and then the

1:22:16

girlfriend disappears. You

1:22:18

don't know what's going on, but she is talking

1:22:20

to you on the radio

1:22:22

contracts a, a strange infection and dies.

1:22:24

Oh, wait, it's not that. How, how, how

1:22:27

immersive is

1:22:27

pretty close to that. It's very close to that. So,

1:22:30

but it, it is one

1:22:32

of the most realistic games, I

1:22:34

would say, in terms of survival

1:22:37

in certainly a jungle like the Amazon

1:22:40

and the, the things that you

1:22:42

need to do to survive very

1:22:45

simplified from reality, but all

1:22:47

similar and based on reality

1:22:50

as well. And so you have to

1:22:52

obviously find food, make shelter

1:22:55

there's animals

1:22:57

as well as indigenous tribesmen

1:23:00

that could potentially kill you if you

1:23:02

if you don't make allowances for making

1:23:05

sure that you stay away

1:23:07

from them or that you are protected

1:23:10

well. But the traps that you make

1:23:12

to trap and kill animals,

1:23:14

the, the way you make medicines,

1:23:17

it's all very much simplified, but

1:23:19

based around very much

1:23:21

realistic videos, even to the point

1:23:23

of how do you make clay

1:23:26

like to you have to make clay and

1:23:28

then you have to shape it, and then you

1:23:30

put it into your kiln

1:23:33

to actually fire it and

1:23:35

make it hard. And then eventually you're

1:23:37

even getting to the point where you're making

1:23:40

primitive, bronze metal

1:23:43

tools very, very realistic,

1:23:45

super easy to die. Like, it, it,

1:23:47

that game will kill you multiple times a day.

1:23:50

Without even trying,

1:23:52

Is that like a bad end game or no?

1:23:55

a bad end

1:23:55

Oh, I'm sorry. It's a, it's

1:23:58

a term from c y a. Nevermind.

1:24:01

I'm, I'm not gonna open up another topic

1:24:03

on, on narrative style, but gone.

1:24:07

Well, okay. Well, either way

1:24:09

there's a story mode loosely

1:24:11

that you can follow, but a lot of it is just

1:24:13

basically survival,

1:24:16

but done in a non, like

1:24:19

fictional fantasy way. The

1:24:21

way that arc is, for example, with dinosaurs

1:24:24

running around, this is very much all

1:24:26

actual existing critters or

1:24:28

plants or what, like in that game you drink

1:24:31

ayahuasca, for example, and

1:24:33

you have visions and

1:24:36

you know what ayahuasca is, right?

1:24:37

I'm not familiar with the term.

1:24:39

Oh, well you, you don't watch enough Joe Rogan then.

1:24:41

No. No.

1:24:42

it is it is, is

1:24:45

there enough? I dunno. It is a ritualistic

1:24:48

psychoactive drug that

1:24:51

shamans will guide

1:24:54

you through, and I believe in that

1:24:56

whole Amazonian area.

1:24:58

instead of water in the Amazon, is that

1:25:00

You don't drink. No, no, no. You definitely don't drink it. It's,

1:25:03

it is essentially

1:25:05

a combination of a psychoactive

1:25:08

drug and poison,

1:25:11

okay? So, no, I, I don't

1:25:13

drink that. I drink alcohol.

1:25:15

this is better or worse depending on how you look

1:25:17

at it. But a lot of people that

1:25:19

have done that, that have gone down

1:25:22

south and done iosco it has

1:25:24

DMT in it. They, they

1:25:26

have visions that make them think

1:25:28

that they can now understand their life a lot

1:25:30

better that they. Some people

1:25:33

see aliens, some people see God.

1:25:35

It all depends on what you know, who

1:25:37

you are and what you see. But anyway, that's

1:25:39

in this game as well. So I thought it was just a very

1:25:41

well done game from a prepper

1:25:44

standpoint. Essentially.

1:25:46

You're not gonna learn recipes, but you

1:25:49

will learn that you need

1:25:51

to know how to do these exact same

1:25:53

things that are in the game. You just have to learn to

1:25:55

do 'em in real life.

1:25:56

Okay,

1:25:57

list is the same. Like the list of things

1:25:59

you need to survive is

1:26:01

the same in the game as real

1:26:03

if you play this game and then mysteriously

1:26:05

get fast, traveled to the middle of the Amazon

1:26:07

u it, it will have prepared you.

1:26:10

Yeah. You're gonna die within probably 48

1:26:12

hours, but you

1:26:14

will know what you're missing.

1:26:16

you have died of trench foot.

1:26:18

E Exactly. Exactly. Cuz

1:26:20

you're like, oh, I forgot to pack the mulkin.

1:26:22

Godammit. That's the problem. Fun

1:26:25

game. Anyway. We don't have to talk about any games

1:26:27

anymore. It's easily an hour on

1:26:30

I, we, we've definitely

1:26:31

plenty for most

1:26:32

The, you know what, back in the day, the only,

1:26:35

I played the original survival game, Oregon

1:26:37

Trail

1:26:39

Oh, I remember that. Yep.

1:26:40

and nowadays,

1:26:41

a lot.

1:26:42

huh?

1:26:42

I died

1:26:43

Yes. You died of dysentery.

1:26:45

Yeah, A lot.

1:26:47

No, I, I usually died because

1:26:49

I didn't pack enough nails or something

1:26:52

stupid like that.

1:26:53

Uhhuh

1:26:54

I don't really play a lot of survival games

1:26:57

these days. I play Minecraft, but I, it

1:26:59

was years ago that I stopped being interested

1:27:01

in the survival parts of Minecraft. Now it's

1:27:03

just a, a, a platform

1:27:06

for installing whatever really awesome mods

1:27:08

that I have

1:27:08

a building thing. Yeah. Yeah.

1:27:11

Well I think you would like satisfactory.

1:27:13

And I think they do have a council version

1:27:16

as well, because satisfactory.

1:27:19

Has just a little tiny bit of survival,

1:27:21

but mostly it is a

1:27:24

building. Cool.

1:27:26

Interesting. I don't

1:27:28

even know what to call 'em, I guess factories. I, the

1:27:30

idea being is you need to make a widget

1:27:33

to make this widget, you're gonna need four

1:27:35

different subparts. And

1:27:37

each of those subparts is made of a number

1:27:39

of different ingredients. And then,

1:27:41

is the word cuz that's in the name

1:27:43

yeah, factory is definitely the word, but

1:27:45

it's, it's satisfying us also.

1:27:47

That's where that other part of it comes from. And

1:27:49

so you have to source the raw materials, get them

1:27:52

converted to, more advanced materials,

1:27:54

get those converted to the little sub widgets,

1:27:56

and then all of those together

1:27:59

build a widget. And you do that by building

1:28:02

different machines and you have a

1:28:04

lot of what do you call those things? The the little

1:28:06

belt things that move materials along.

1:28:08

When I, conveyor belts, there you go.