Dylan Ratigan was never a standard cookie cutter cable TV host. He was a financial journalist who won awards for his coverage of the Enron scandal, and he made his name shining a spotlight on Wall Street excesses in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis. He had a highly rated MSNBC show until he called it quits in 2012 and started a business for creating more distributed, people-centered systems to bring power, water, food, and communications to communities around the planet. Now, he’s back on the public stage — running for Congress as a Democrat from the district where he grew up in upstate New York. On this episode, I caught up with Ratigan to talk about his campaign, and why he’s running. You’ll hear him talk about America’s trade policy, and why he both opposes Donald Trump, but also believes Trump is not the central problem in American politics.