In December, the Washington media exploded in outrage, alleging that Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders had launched a coordinated war on Texas Congressman Beto O’Rourke, who is considering a bid for president. I was as surprised to hear this as you might have been -- and I was even more shocked to find out that the proof of this alleged “war” was my report in Capital & Main and The Guardian taking a look at O’Rourke’s congressional voting record. The report found that O’Rourke at times voted against the majority of his party to help pass Republican bills to deregulate Wall Street, chip away at the Affordable Care Act, boost fossil fuel production, and support a key piece of President Trump’s immigration policy. On this episode, we flip the mic around -- progressive podcaster Katie Halper interviewed me about the whole situation. During the conversation, we discussed the details of the report on O’Rourke, and we discussed the state of the Democratic 2020 presidential primary.