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How do we start today's episode?

1:20

It's a bit of a

1:23

it's not like our usual jolly welcome back to sit with

1:25

us. It's

1:29

you know, welcome back. It's

1:31

another week. We're very blessed to be

1:33

alive to record today. This

1:35

week, I feel like I just want to

1:37

create a safe space for people to come.

1:41

You know, obviously

1:43

we we wanted to cover a bit of, you

1:46

know, and pay our respects, I

1:48

guess, to the victims of what happened in

1:51

Bondi over the weekend

1:53

on the 13th of April. And

1:57

but also we wanted to be able to give

1:59

you guys. insight into

2:01

how you can get help if you are feeling

2:03

anxious or you're feeling overwhelmed from the news cycle

2:05

and from everything that's happened and if this

2:08

is bringing up I guess

2:11

feelings of feeling unsafe

2:14

as a female as you

2:16

know Ella and I have been feeling

2:18

a bit this week so yeah

2:22

it is a bit of a somber mood and it's been it's been

2:24

a heavy week like I mean it's only been a few days that

2:26

I think the what the news

2:28

cycle is in this country is that it's 24-7

2:30

and you're never unless

2:33

you are living on a rock or don't

2:36

have Wi-Fi you're gonna

2:38

see this information like I've got some

2:41

girlfriends who don't watch the news because

2:44

they I mean I never used to watch

2:46

the news yeah I probably went basically

2:49

until I probably started hanging out with you

2:51

yeah I know I've watched the news I've

2:54

got it constantly on at home and I

2:57

like made the conscious effort to not

2:59

watch it over the years purely because

3:01

it did make me very sad I

3:03

felt like it was you know

3:05

it's things that are out of my

3:07

control I can't do anything about it and it

3:10

would make me feel really upset and helpless and

3:12

like you know so and it does come with

3:14

all of those feelings too right I think for

3:17

me I've grown up watching the

3:19

news in my household so it's something that

3:21

I guess I've grown up with but also it's

3:23

like I all I try to be as informed

3:25

as possible as to what is happening in the

3:28

society that I'm living in yeah and now I

3:30

do watch it more yeah yeah

3:32

I did I but guy guy also doesn't really

3:34

like watching it like if we have it on

3:36

and there's a lot of like sad things going

3:38

on in the world he also is

3:40

like you know maybe we can turn it off and I'm

3:42

like no like I want it because I don't read the

3:44

paper either so and he reads

3:47

the paper so he reads things at

3:49

work whereas I only get

3:51

to see him a TV that's his form

3:53

of getting the news and stuff like that.

3:55

Yeah so I guess we're just gonna go

3:57

straight into it and I know. We

4:00

do have a lot as international

4:02

listeners. Ah, but this horrific tragedy

4:05

has. Gone worldwide like

4:07

it's made. You know the news in

4:09

America, in the Uk, in every corner

4:12

of the world because he saw her

4:14

receipt and I think you know for

4:16

those kind of countries especially America when

4:19

I use you do hear about these

4:21

shootings and things like that happening every

4:23

single day. But for it to happen

4:26

here in Australia and for an act

4:28

of violence to happen like that the

4:30

way that it did, I think it

4:33

is just so beyond. Shopping.

4:35

For like the country, we just all.

4:37

We. Stop A and it and how it

4:40

actually has felt as though the country has

4:42

stopped. To be honest with you in it

4:44

it has really felt like that. It's to

4:46

sorry from so many angles it's so hard

4:48

to comprehend understand in it. And we we

4:51

put ourselves in their series. What if we

4:53

were there what would you have dawn? How

4:55

could you have helped? How can I help

4:57

now that like this, so many angles, so

5:00

many angles, a so many questions. it's like

5:02

how to something like this happen Madison? Even

5:04

Get to this and why You know? And

5:07

then such. Why those people? Why

5:09

You know five women and one

5:12

man The a man that was

5:14

you know when he first, same

5:16

job that put his body on

5:18

the line to you know do

5:20

his job arm and the incredible

5:23

work off the police officer. Yeah

5:25

that. you know in the

5:27

face of the in same danger.

5:30

Just was doing her job which

5:32

he says of protect was he

5:34

needed to take control of the

5:36

situation. You know she was the

5:38

only person. In that

5:40

moment, That. Codes. And

5:43

see how to do what she had to

5:45

do. In in a

5:48

situation. That. It shows.

5:51

The worst of the society which

5:53

is obviously this is a terrible

5:55

action of this man arm and

5:57

I am I not aren't so.

6:00

Me that we need to talk about human

6:02

my his name in or that not because

6:04

the any other reason other than that information

6:06

is already out there and you don't win

6:08

or a nice thought we not We don't

6:10

need to relay that information. Be

6:13

it. Was a soul perpetrate other

6:15

with only one person? I'm I

6:17

know I was. On. Or

6:19

know why but that the tv was on

6:21

and it I was watching it all happen

6:24

live in there was all these different I'm.

6:26

You. Know the zinc the news was saying that

6:29

mean and there's a personal with guns. It's

6:31

more than one person and all of these.

6:34

You know things that were coming

6:36

out and you don't know the

6:38

truth until literally they've got the

6:40

guy. They can go through the

6:42

entire shopping center which is a

6:45

mammoth job on. but it turned

6:47

out that it was just this

6:49

one guy who we know now

6:51

was known to the police. Not

6:53

for any. Ah, Criminal.

6:55

Acts Pure but only purely

6:57

saw his mental health issues.

7:01

Unfortunately I'm you know this

7:03

is a story that we

7:05

he all too often not

7:07

associated with the crime that

7:09

he committed bought. A

7:12

lot of. Violence

7:14

associated around people with

7:17

mental health. Unfortunately because

7:19

once. They

7:21

get to a level where vague on

7:23

in control of themselves and their mind

7:25

in their bodies anymore. shit like this

7:28

happens. And

7:30

as we've now know, I'm the

7:32

perpetrate out with mentally ill from

7:34

the age of seventeen. ah I

7:36

don't know if he had me

7:38

siblings haven't heard that but his

7:40

parents the. Involved.

7:42

Heavily leaves him growing up me and

7:45

you know and and helping him and

7:47

making so that he takes medication and

7:49

get our as someone. Myself.

7:52

That has struggled with mental health and is gone

7:54

through that. As a teenager I was lucky enough

7:56

to have parents around me that were you know

7:58

and we take any medication during our will. On

8:01

top of that like well what would watch we

8:03

take my medication would make sure he would monitor

8:05

me and I think com. You.

8:08

Know I'm blessed to have a family like that.

8:11

That when I was a teenage off

8:13

by had that support Ryan but obviously

8:15

as this main got older. There's

8:18

only so much you can do

8:20

to contain and person's actions and

8:22

behaviors as an as an adult.

8:25

Because he lived at home, didn't

8:27

Italy was day five yes, incorrect

8:29

and he's now forty. So he's

8:31

obviously he's been living rough. I'm

8:34

apparently been living rough I'm you

8:36

know, being harmless and I'm. doing

8:39

various odd things for money, And

8:43

I think there's a lot of people. The. Save

8:45

with so many questions as we are like. Why

8:48

You know? How how did this

8:51

happen? But there is

8:53

no excuse for what he did. And.

8:55

This is that. That's my personal opinion.

8:58

Am as someone that has struggled with

9:00

the mental illness or look at these.

9:02

Seeing a person who we severely mentally

9:04

ill and had a lot of issues.

9:09

Aren't. Think that that is an

9:11

excuse for what he did because.

9:14

I. Know so many people that

9:17

struggle with they meant horses,

9:19

ebay, Psychosis, Schizophrenia. Ah,

9:21

I'm. You. Know: manic depressive

9:23

episodes. Those.

9:27

People don't go out and stab people. And.

9:31

Go to harm other people. It's.

9:36

Just a lot A yeah it. It

9:38

brings up a lot of emotion silly

9:40

about mental health and I know so

9:42

many of our listeners struggle because I

9:44

get so many damsel the time. especially

9:46

when I open up about my weight

9:48

loss, anti depressants, And.

9:51

there already is such a

9:53

huge mental health stigma in

9:55

this country in australia which

9:57

also still blows my mind

9:59

fortunately varies and I wish

10:02

there wasn't but

10:05

that is that that is the world that

10:07

we currently live in and as much as

10:09

we've progressed so much and we openly talking

10:12

about it now and people I

10:14

guess you know there's so many

10:16

more charities and people are opening up about it

10:18

there is still so much stigma I

10:21

know that back when you know I would be dating

10:23

and meeting new people and when it gets to that

10:25

point you know in the relationship or whatever that

10:27

you open like I would have to open up and say

10:29

you know I'm and that

10:31

is only because I want to yeah right you

10:34

don't feel you don't have to express to anyone

10:36

that you're on medication here whatever but that's the

10:38

kind of person that I am because it's part

10:40

of my story and I'm not ashamed of it

10:43

so for me that's my way of

10:45

I'm trying to break down that yeah

10:47

you know that stigma yeah but I

10:50

think this is gonna really

10:54

like affect the

10:56

mental health stigma in this country I

10:59

think before we get into any more

11:02

of the episode I want to pay

11:06

tribute to the people that lost their lives

11:08

and say their names we

11:11

have 38 year old first-time mother Ashley

11:13

Goode 30 year

11:15

olds for as to hear who was the

11:17

security guard we

11:19

have 25 year old Dawn Singleton who

11:21

is buying her wedding makeup 47 year

11:26

old Jade Young was a mother

11:29

of two children 50 at five

11:31

year old picria

11:33

da chia I hope I'm

11:35

saying that okay and user

11:38

Yuxan Cheng they

11:41

are the people that lost their lives in

11:43

a senseless way yeah

11:48

at the hands of a man that was not in

11:52

his right mind that's

11:54

not an excuse at all I I've

11:58

fought so much with where my head's at

12:00

with this. Because as someone

12:05

that has struggled and does struggle with their mental

12:07

health, like you

12:10

know when you're spiraling. And

12:13

I'm speaking from experience. I

12:17

feel sad that this man had no one

12:19

around him to

12:21

see those signs, to

12:24

see the signals, right? So

12:28

that makes me upset. But also

12:30

knowing that this bloke was

12:32

researching how to commit murder, that

12:35

just shows me there was premeditation there,

12:39

which also just makes me think that

12:41

there is the finest line here between

12:43

mental health and being evil. Like

12:48

where does that line fit? Because

12:54

to take another person's life. And

12:58

like I know that you have personal

13:00

experience with psychosis and you know a lot about this

13:02

and people that have been through that. I

13:05

know it's a completely different thing. Like you

13:08

are not in your right mind at

13:10

all, right? Like it's just, you're not, yeah. So

13:14

it's just one of those things that's

13:16

really, it's hard to

13:18

talk about it without saying too much or

13:20

not saying enough, I think. Without

13:22

offending people or you know,

13:25

obviously we have a podcast here where we wanna, I

13:28

mean, every episode we are as honest

13:31

as we want, can be. We

13:33

always wanna be very transparent with you guys.

13:36

But I think when it comes to this

13:38

sort of stuff, because it's so gray even

13:40

in the media. Yeah, of course. And that's

13:42

the system where we get our information from.

13:44

Everything in this sort of area, I

13:47

feel like is very gray and nothing

13:49

is ever certain. Like with information

13:52

that they choose to give to

13:54

us. And that's

13:56

why I find it really hard to comment on

13:58

because like. I

14:00

mean there's so much going in the world, going

14:02

on in the world at the moment even in Hollywood

14:05

and it's like you know I don't

14:08

know the media, online, TikTok,

14:10

everything I feel is very

14:13

filtered to what you know

14:15

in ways. And like you said there is so much

14:17

going on in the world you know there's the war

14:19

in Gaza there is so much shit happening there's you

14:22

know the war in Ukraine like all of

14:24

this and you know yes

14:28

we are aware like we watch the news

14:30

we educate ourselves we are aware of what

14:32

is happening in the world in all of

14:34

these places and the horrific

14:37

things that are happening. Do you

14:49

think the reason that we came in today and wanted

14:51

to touch on this subject

14:53

in particular was because this hits

14:55

really close to home. Well

14:57

it's home like it's your home you

14:59

know it's my second home like even

15:02

coming to Sydney like my

15:04

brother made such a valid point the

15:06

other day when we heard about what

15:08

was going on he was like you know Ellie you get

15:10

on a plane and you go there every week like

15:13

you and Dom could have just been at

15:15

the shopping centre it could have you know and

15:17

I'm like and that's why we wanted to

15:19

come on here and have this space where

15:21

we can talk about this because it is

15:23

so close to home it's like and I'm

15:25

sure you know some

15:27

of our listeners knew of someone that was

15:30

there on Saturday you know it's

15:32

like literally so like the

15:34

web of how

15:37

you are connected to what happened on Saturday is

15:39

so like

15:43

it's crazy. I go to Bondi

15:45

Junction all the time right I was literally there like over

15:48

a month ago walking past those

15:50

shops. I had family friends

15:52

that were meant to be there on Saturday but instead

15:54

went and hung out with my mum

15:56

instead like they go there

15:58

pretty much every weekend. And

16:02

the people that

16:06

took the

16:09

baby out of

16:11

the arms of Ashley Goode, turns

16:14

out that they are family

16:16

friends of ours and the sons

16:19

of Manunas Bethwend.

16:23

And it just goes to show you of how close

16:25

of a connection. That

16:28

is why we wanted to come on here and talk

16:31

about this because you guys

16:33

listening, more

16:35

than likely have someone that you know

16:38

that was either connected, knows of someone,

16:40

works there, whatever it may be. It's

16:42

just, it's one of those things. As

16:45

well as the fact that it

16:49

is well and truly

16:51

clear enough to everyone now that

16:53

he targeted females. You

16:56

know, five females killed.

16:59

And we know that the rates of

17:02

violence against women in this country, unfortunately,

17:06

are just getting worse

17:09

and worse. You

17:11

know, two in five women, which is 39% of

17:13

women, have experienced violence since the age of 15. This

17:16

is according to ourwatch.org.au. Those

17:19

numbers are too

17:21

high. So

17:24

now, I guess we're getting into a

17:26

different conversation around

17:28

this whole topic.

17:32

And the whole violence

17:34

against women, like

17:37

I am very

17:39

grateful that I've never personally,

17:43

myself, experienced anything. I've

17:46

witnessed a lot with

17:50

girlfriends. I've witnessed things with

17:52

exes, parents. But

17:55

I've never personally, nothing

17:57

has ever physically happened to me. But

18:01

again, like even with this whole

18:03

thing that happened in Bondi, for

18:05

me, I really struggled to understand.

18:08

Yeah. Like I... It's

18:11

like I genuinely can't actually

18:15

understand why this is even a

18:17

thing. It's such

18:19

an incredibly horrendous atrocity

18:21

that it

18:23

is. It's like you

18:26

could lay there at night and just think about this constantly.

18:28

It's like, why? Why, why, why?

18:31

We do now know through the media

18:33

and through actually hearing the

18:35

perpetrator's father speak that he,

18:39

you know, he hated women

18:41

because he couldn't get

18:43

a girlfriend. Yeah, I did hear

18:45

that yesterday. And how many murders,

18:48

how many attacks on

18:51

women happen because

18:54

men are either jealous, they

18:57

feel that they aren't good enough, they

19:01

don't want anyone else to have you. It

19:04

happens all over Australia

19:06

on a weekly basis. On

19:09

average, one woman is killed every nine days

19:11

by a current or former partner in this

19:14

country. Which

19:17

when you think about that is a horrific

19:22

statistic. Yeah,

19:25

that's being killed by someone that you know. That

19:29

you potentially once loved, lived

19:31

with, had a family with, grew

19:34

a family, like, you know, started a life

19:36

with, like... It's

19:39

so hard to sudden. As women

19:41

in society, we don't feel safe.

19:44

No. We don't feel safe to do

19:46

the things that we want to do

19:48

and that we should be able to do with no

19:53

danger attached to it. That being

19:55

going to the shops on a Saturday afternoon.

19:57

Oh, yeah. Yeah,

20:00

or going for a run. Yeah, you know in the morning

20:03

cuz that's when you've got time to go for a run

20:05

I mean, I only

20:07

recently I was out early

20:09

taking stuff to the solos and

20:12

It was still dark and I saw a guy crossing

20:14

the road with a balaclava on and I took a

20:16

video of him And then I called

20:19

guy and he called the police straight away and this was

20:21

on the end of our street And I'm like,

20:24

well, I can't go for a run now Yeah,

20:26

and then before we saw him walking by with

20:28

a fucking balaclava on there was a woman

20:30

jogging in the dark and I'm

20:33

thinking I feel like I needed to follow her just to

20:35

make sure that you know, she was gonna be okay and

20:39

It's happening. There's a lot happening, you know

20:41

in my street where I live I

20:43

live in St. Kilda East It

20:45

doesn't have the greatest reputation But

20:47

I'm scared to even set foot

20:49

outside my door at 5 a.m

20:54

If I'm not with guy, yeah, like

20:56

I'm genuinely scared. We've got cameras We've

20:58

got you know things getting recorded

21:01

of people on our street You

21:03

know clearly on drugs or

21:06

in psychosis because they're screaming and they're out

21:08

of them I'm singing is it's very hard

21:10

to differentiate when you're visually looking at this

21:12

person if they are Mentally

21:14

ill are they on drugs? Are they

21:17

in a psychosis because the mannerisms and

21:19

the actions of these people are quite

21:21

similar. Yeah You

21:23

know and you can get confused like okay. Am

21:25

I dealing with someone that is on drugs? We

21:27

yeah, I mean not any better You

21:29

know and if they are mentally unwell because

21:31

maybe they are living rough at the moment

21:33

or you know They're going through something all

21:36

of that is just heightened. So it's

21:38

it's crazy to me like I will open social

21:40

media On a

21:43

daily basis and see something that a woman has

21:45

posted about feeling unsafe whether it be on a

21:47

run Whether that be a

21:49

man even just walking a dog pulling it Yeah,

21:52

even like there's been times where I've walked

21:54

Yuki and I'm carrying her because

21:56

she's stopped walking and you

22:00

know, there might just be five meters

22:02

up the road, a sus looking guy

22:04

on a bike straight away. I'm like,

22:07

where's he going? Sometimes I cross the

22:09

road. Yeah. I go to the

22:11

other side of the road because I'm like, I can see

22:13

a guy over there that just, I don't know, something doesn't

22:15

look very safe. So my intuition says cross the road. Well,

22:17

these are things that we have to think about as women.

22:20

You know, unfortunately

22:22

that is how we have to live

22:25

and men have the luxury of not

22:27

having to think about that kind of

22:29

stuff. Not having to think that

22:31

if they go for a walk in the morning,

22:34

which is their God given right to walk down

22:36

a street, that

22:39

you potentially, you're

22:41

less likely to be attacked

22:43

or something than a

22:45

woman. Like you're less likely. Yeah. Which

22:50

is why, why is that even a thing?

22:53

You know? Like

22:56

do we need to legalize pepper

22:58

spray? Like is that, you know,

23:00

why, why if I've got pepper spray in

23:02

my bag? Is that illegal of me? I mean,

23:04

I'll tell you guys right now, that's what

23:06

I googled. Like on Sunday, I was

23:10

in shock on Sunday, not

23:12

being able to look away from the

23:14

news and see the fucking devastation and

23:16

just how horrible. And just thinking,

23:19

number one, like, oh my God, the

23:22

absolute just heartbreak

23:24

of these people and their family, like

23:27

every, it's just

23:30

reached so many people. And like, even

23:33

if a person, you know, the people that

23:36

were stabbed in a filling hospital that didn't pass away,

23:38

how is that gonna affect them for

23:40

the rest of their life? Their family,

23:42

the first responders, people that saw everything

23:44

that happened. Like there are like thousands

23:46

upon thousands of people that are gonna

23:48

be affected. Oh yeah. Because they were

23:50

on site that day, but

23:53

also people that have been

23:55

watching the coverage, Heightening

23:57

anxieties, you know? They

24:00

are to step into a shopping center. You

24:02

go to Australia guys. I

24:04

felt. So. Anxious.

24:08

That I didn't want to go to Israel

24:10

bias in the seventies and I would. Dominica.

24:12

you can't let be. Stop your life. I

24:15

walked into the Something Center and I've never

24:17

had this thought in my entire life. but

24:19

the first thing I thought was a sign

24:21

will soften. How do I get out of

24:23

the. I've.

24:25

Never had to think about the Omni. I do have

24:28

an escape plan. Is

24:30

that what we need to do now? Eight

24:34

A genuine christian who is going to

24:36

what was like did a poll or

24:39

the police gonna make you know statement

24:41

to say you know it would be.

24:44

You know, smart? If. You.

24:47

Are aware of your surroundings now when you

24:49

go into a public place Like what the

24:51

fuck. Is that what

24:53

we need to do? I.

24:56

Mean. It. Feels

24:58

like. There are

25:00

so many. Situations

25:03

Places. Large.

25:05

Crowd and amend as there's

25:08

been i think a Knopf

25:10

occasions or you know, devastating.

25:13

Things. That have happened. That.

25:15

Have told us it's the large

25:17

crowd. You know that's that's the

25:19

target or. Like.

25:22

Even you know. Artists

25:24

that play and festivals and

25:26

like. Those so like you know

25:28

tireless least in like of the so the

25:30

security. They security this like moment when in

25:33

fact is that if he begs the question

25:35

but do they need to be metal detectors

25:37

Now going into something to us I mean

25:39

that is insane that we are even thinking

25:41

about that in Australia like this is. We've

25:45

now reached a point where it's like. Holy

25:48

shit man, you know, like in

25:50

America they've got metal detectors in the

25:52

schools in those places. But understandably this

25:54

is terrific. Tragedies have happened with guns

25:57

and yet thank God in Australia, you

25:59

know. On have been outlawed for many

26:01

years and years. Of course there are

26:03

still some illegal one that pop up

26:06

in in a crime gangs and stuff.

26:09

But. The

26:11

fact that people. In. Our like

26:13

the perpetrate out on the weekend are

26:15

using like hunting knives that you can

26:17

buy legally gear. Also ah don't know

26:19

how a person with a mental illness

26:21

can buy a hunting knife legally. I

26:23

mean that needs to be looked at.

26:27

Teenage. Like had license? Well

26:29

I know. Play my

26:31

book. Will hunting purposes to have a hunting

26:33

gun? As a person that lives on a

26:35

river properties yeah you need to go through rigorous

26:37

testing. Eat and you psychological testing Unita a

26:39

you the place. Come visit you at your

26:41

home to make sure that it is locked up

26:44

like I know this because my brother has that

26:46

because they leave the on rural property right.

26:49

Tsar you duel that for a

26:51

gun to buy a hunting knife.

26:54

Is. At the same. Utterance. I

26:56

don't think it is of like come on,

26:58

how would it's a man with schizophrenia? Get

27:00

a fucking hunting knife They'd. Like.

27:02

Cause haunted a main fast as we

27:05

live in a world where but then

27:07

I like if he had the premeditation

27:09

to then. Go and

27:11

do that and buy it off the

27:13

black market. Knowing that he wanted to

27:16

attack people to cause maximum harm, Are

27:18

you mentally ill and then do like his

27:21

dad confiscate like a lot of nine something

27:23

I am point like at m the

27:25

here earlier they seem maybe attack so he

27:27

says a bit of history with withstand any.

27:30

Just took off and went to see the

27:32

as like okay so. Yeah.

27:36

And you complete like I know a lot

27:38

of people would be angry at the parents

27:40

and like blaming the parents and saying why

27:43

don't you do anything and I think that

27:45

they'd be blaming themselves. From what we saw

27:47

on the was it was very hard to

27:49

what it was very and I was probably

27:51

the one like that really set me off

27:53

saying his dad space oh I mean again

27:56

like putting is trying to put yourself in

27:58

their shoes imaginings that was located in like

28:00

clearly the days. With. Sorry.

28:02

Considering they've tried to help him. yeah, entire.

28:05

Life. And they they I mean

28:07

The father said himself like he he

28:09

was unwell and he's suffered for very

28:12

long time in. Oh.

28:15

Like. It's a lot. And.

28:19

Then on the other hand, you have all

28:21

of the families of the victims that have

28:23

lost their lives in a senseless attack. And

28:27

it's like so were any or and

28:29

have to have the have teams to

28:31

one where your sympathies lie. It's a

28:34

fox up situation all around you guys.

28:37

We. Honor know what's going to be.on

28:39

I do. I know the government putting

28:41

in like eighteen million dollars for an

28:43

inquest into what happened. I mean with

28:45

that money be better off spin into

28:48

the mental health system into dealing with

28:50

that arm Big is on our for

28:52

a fact that they're very few. Mental

28:55

Health facilities in see Me ah alone

28:58

am. I don't know about the rest

29:00

of the country but. You

29:03

know would outlaw money be better spent. Put.

29:06

Next look these are all the questions that

29:08

we have that I think to end of

29:10

the shot. We. Just

29:12

wanted to say that there are

29:14

people and things available if you

29:16

are currently struggling with or that

29:19

be struggling at watching the news

29:21

cycle at the moment. I'm you

29:23

are going through your own internal

29:25

struggles right now or you just

29:27

need someone to talk to. There

29:29

is always someone available whether that

29:31

be on Lifeline Beyond Blue. We

29:33

will leave all of the numbers

29:35

and the links in our sure

29:37

nights because. You.

29:39

Know there is always someone there that he's

29:41

gonna listen to. You guys are you never

29:43

alone? I think that's a message are really

29:46

want to get across. Yeah When you are

29:48

in the deepest darkest of places and I'm

29:50

sure that. This. Person who

29:52

committed this atrocious attack. Was.

29:55

in that position again which at the end of

29:57

the day is really fucking sad that it is

29:59

he had get to that. There

30:02

is always someone there that is going to

30:04

listen. Even if you feel that your family

30:06

has abandoned you, your friends, there is always

30:08

someone that is willing to listen to you

30:10

on Beyond Blue Lifeline. It's 24 hour support.

30:13

You can give them a call. They can give you

30:15

advice. Or if you just

30:18

need someone to talk to. And I know

30:22

during COVID, you know, three years ago, I

30:25

was in a pretty dark place. And I myself called

30:27

Lifeline and just had a chat. Yeah, you know, just

30:29

had a chat just to say, Yeah, I am feeling

30:31

low right now. I'm, you

30:33

know, it was a very isolated period of time

30:35

COVID. And

30:37

when you are feeling a little bit,

30:40

you know, low with

30:42

your mental health, talking about

30:44

it and vocalizing how you feel

30:47

is the first step to

30:49

getting yourself better. Yeah, I

30:51

just want to really like, yeah,

30:56

I really want to make note of that

30:58

in today's episode. And

31:01

yeah, just to end off that our sympathies

31:04

in our hearts and our

31:06

prayers, yeah, go out to the victims

31:08

of this horrendous attack. It's,

31:13

it's one of those things that I think is going to

31:15

change our country, it's going to change

31:17

Sydney, it's going to change the way people go about, I

31:20

mean, for a few years, at least, it's going to people

31:22

are going to really, yeah,

31:24

you know, it's very similar to

31:26

when the Lynn tragedy

31:28

occurred, I think almost 10 years ago

31:30

now, and the Burke Street and the

31:32

Burke Street. Yeah. It changes.

31:35

Yeah, the country changes the

31:37

city. But

31:40

yeah, we're here, guys, if you ever

31:42

want to sneak into

31:45

our DMs. Yeah. You can

31:47

join the Facebook group if you just want

31:49

someone to chat to. But yeah, don't forget,

31:51

there's always Lifeline and Beyond Blue. And we

31:53

will leave all of those phone numbers and

31:55

all of those links in our show notes.

31:57

You are not alone. and

32:00

you don't have to go through a tough time alone.

32:03

And it saddens me that some people feel like

32:05

they have to go it alone. But

32:09

yeah. Spread

32:12

love and kindness, guys. I know it

32:14

feels as though in these dark times

32:16

right now, it can seem a bit

32:18

helpless. You know, I know

32:20

me, I was like, what can I do? Is

32:22

there anything I can do to help? Like, you just wanna help. I

32:25

think the main thing that we can

32:27

do as individuals is be

32:29

kind, love one another. That

32:33

is the best thing that we can do in

32:36

this terrible time to

32:38

get us all through as society. That

32:42

is the ripple effect that you can do. It

32:44

doesn't cost you anything. Just

32:47

maybe smile at a stranger. Ask

32:49

someone how their day is going when you're picking up

32:51

your coffee tomorrow. Like, it's the

32:53

little things in life that we

32:55

can change and

32:58

make someone's day better. And I think when

33:01

you feel helpless, especially in this

33:03

current situation where everything

33:06

just feels so... Frozen. Frozen

33:08

in time. Sad. Like, heavy. It

33:11

really is. It's like everything's stopped. That's the

33:13

little things you can do. And yeah,

33:16

we love you guys. We

33:19

love you guys. And yeah. It's

33:24

a bit of a... It's weird. We've never

33:26

really recorded anything like this. It's weird. It

33:28

is. And it's like we didn't want to come here and act

33:31

like nothing had happened because that's not who

33:33

we are and that we're not going to

33:35

do that. So

33:38

something that has happened so close

33:40

to home and that unfortunately has

33:42

probably affected some of our listeners

33:44

and some people in our community.

33:46

I think it's the least that we

33:48

can do and show our support, help

33:50

you guys if you need to reach

33:53

out to someone and just let you know that there are

33:56

things available out there. Yeah. So

33:59

we love you. Stay strong, be kind

34:01

to one another and have a

34:04

great day wherever you are. Yeah, love you

34:06

guys. Bye.