0:00

I

0:00

wanna tell you my seat right now. My

0:03

seat. Shieland

0:06

prayed people. No.

0:11

I am the father. What's

0:18

in the barn? You

0:23

blew it up. Damn you

0:26

all the hell. Hello,

0:28

and welcome to Slate spoiler specials.

0:30

I'm Sam Adams, the senior editor at Slate. And

0:33

today, I am joined by SLAIT's features director,

0:35

Jeffrey Blummer. Welcome, Jeff. Hi, Sam. I believe

0:37

this is the first time we've been in the same room

0:39

since the pandemic began. And now it's very exciting.

0:41

You gonna hear some serious chemistry here.

0:43

Very exciting. So today we are spoiling the

0:45

movie Halloween ends, which is the,

0:47

I guess, the final part of David Gordon Greens.

0:50

Halloween reboot trilogy.

0:52

There are a lot of nouns to apply to that.

0:55

This finds us sort of back in the groove

0:58

with Lori Strowd played by Jamie

1:00

Lee Curtis and the shape as

1:02

Michael Myers is often known. I'm

1:04

gonna start off Jeff with what you thought

1:06

of the

1:07

end So you know that I am a

1:09

long suffering Halloween fan. I'm

1:12

not quite like

1:13

going to Michael Myers

1:15

festivals and, like, you know,

1:17

doing Reddit cosplay and stuff, but I have seen

1:20

all fourteen movies I believe there

1:22

are now. some of them more times than I care

1:24

to admit on the record. And

1:26

I kind of, like, even I at this point have some

1:28

franchise fatigue because, like, the last movie, literally,

1:30

they were introducing new characters every twenty minutes

1:32

in order for them to be killed off ten minutes

1:34

later, and it was just so listless.

1:37

And so going into this movie, I really did

1:39

not I didn't

1:40

know what to expect. Like, she's already killed

1:42

Michael Myers once in the past in movies that are

1:44

ignored by this one. And this movie

1:46

throws a bit of a curveball. It at least does something

1:48

different. and I'm grading on a curve,

1:50

but

1:50

I appreciated that. We will get into what

1:53

I mean in a minute. What did you think?

1:55

It stinks. I really feel like

1:57

this movie at all. This movie for me

1:59

was so bad that

1:59

it made me like the previous movie

2:02

in the trilogy, which I also did not like

2:04

more because I feel like that at least had

2:06

ideas, although they were bad ideas. And this

2:08

one really feels like it has none. It's trying to

2:11

do something different, which we will get into shortly,

2:13

but I just don't think it comes off. And then

2:15

it sort of forgets about

2:17

that thing like an hour into

2:19

it and I mean I just sort of feel no compelling

2:21

reason for this thing to exist other than

2:23

that the first one did well and somebody clearly

2:25

at some point did what if what if two more

2:28

until they did two more? I like that

2:30

we disagree somewhat. I I cannot

2:32

claim that it totally works. but I was delighted that

2:34

it was not the same movie again. So we should start

2:36

by saying because we're that's a spoiler special. We're gonna

2:38

spoil the whole thing and probably the biggest spoiler for

2:40

this movie is that Michael Myers

2:43

I don't think even shows up apart

2:46

from a sort of flashback to the previous movie

2:48

is for like forty five minutes into it and

2:50

does not kill somebody until an hour.

2:52

into a hour and fifty one minute

2:55

movie. So it's definitely throwing you for

2:57

a loop there. This is not a movie

2:58

that's just like what's

3:00

another excuse for Michael to go around and, like,

3:02

stab some more babysitters. The opening setup

3:04

kind of gives us that because it flashes

3:06

back to Halloween twenty

3:09

nineteen, which is the movie set in the present

3:11

day, but it goes back a few years. It's Halloween Night,

3:13

this middle aged couple are going out to

3:15

a party, and they've gotten a last minute babysitter

3:17

who's twenty one year olds, I guess, promising

3:20

engineering student. And he is

3:22

called Corey Cunningham, played by

3:24

Rowan Campbell. and he is just supposed to

3:26

look after their bratty little boy for an evening.

3:29

He makes it a mistake of of showing the kid the

3:31

thing for some reason which is a

3:33

little obviously tip of the hat.

3:35

in addition to the tip of the checkbook that

3:37

has allowed all these movies to happen

3:39

to John Carpenter who directed that movie in the

3:41

original Halloween. And basically, the kid decides

3:44

hey, let's play hide and seek. Which

3:47

which you know is going to end badly. We didn't

3:49

really know how it's going to end badly.

3:51

He ends up locking Corey

3:54

in the attic saying Michael

3:56

Myers is gonna come and get you. We think

3:58

clearly Michael Myers is probably gonna come

4:00

and get one of them, maybe the kids.

4:02

But Corey freaks out, starts

4:05

kicking at the door. This attic, by the

4:07

way, is up several flights

4:09

somehow the suburban house has like nine flights

4:11

of stairs in it and a big sort of

4:13

empty circular stairwell. Corey

4:16

freaks out is like kicking at the door,

4:18

finally gets it open, the door swings

4:20

open, knocks little Billy over

4:22

the railing. He plummets a hundred and

4:24

fifteen stories to his death,

4:26

just as his parents are coming back in the door.

4:28

He's dead. There's blood everywhere for

4:31

reasons. Corey is also holding a knife

4:33

at this point. And basically,

4:35

his parents like, you murderer. And

4:37

so that's that the opening

4:39

this this child has been killed not by

4:41

Michael Myers, but by the fear of

4:43

Michael Myers, essentially. Yes.

4:45

And, like, this little kid earlier in the

4:47

movie is, like, well, Michael Myers doesn't

4:49

kill little children. He kills babysitters. And you

4:51

know from that moment that kid's gonna eat it one way

4:53

or another. And I think that, like, I

4:55

actually liked this opening sequence. I thought it

4:57

was like Danny McBride and

4:59

David Gordon Green, the writer and director

5:01

respectively among others who wrote it. It seems

5:03

like there's five screenwriters on smoothie

5:05

or something. Need to stop relying on the trope

5:07

of a little kid who like is like suddenly extremely

5:09

profane out of nowhere, but like Otherwise,

5:11

I thought that the sequence was, like, pretty effective and,

5:14

like, surprising. And it should have been

5:16

the clue right there. I noticed that the opening

5:18

credits were blue, like,

5:20

a departure from the normal

5:22

Halloween credits, and that's the other movie

5:25

that had those was Halloween three.

5:27

which season of the Wish which is the movie and which famously

5:29

Michael Myers does not appear. Mhmm. And that

5:31

doesn't quite what happens in this movie, but it

5:33

probably is the first clue that things are not going

5:35

to proceed. as we expected.

5:37

Alright. So let's sort of talk about where we

5:40

go after that. That's our little twenty nineteen

5:42

prologue. Then we are sort

5:44

of up to the present day. Michael

5:46

Myers is sort of in theory still

5:48

quote unquote dead as he was at the

5:50

end of the last movie. We know, of course, that's not gonna

5:52

last, but let's where where we

5:54

finding everybody at this point. Judy Greer is still dead.

5:56

I guess we can reveal that. Yes.

5:58

So Judy Greer has played Jamie

5:59

Lee Curtis his daughter, Laurie Strode's

6:02

daughter, and she was killed at the end of the last movie

6:04

after this mob had sort of pummeled Michael

6:06

to death. And so now

6:08

we're, like, a few years ahead. And

6:10

Lori Stroh has, like, sort of

6:12

graduated from being this, like, post slash

6:14

or warrior woman into, like, kind of, like,

6:17

funny, zany grief, like, kind

6:19

of person

6:20

I don't know. She, like, is writing a memoir,

6:22

and we're hearing a voice over her describing

6:24

Michael and sort of, like, Cliched memoir

6:27

terms. And now she lives with her

6:29

granddaughter Alison and their relationship had

6:31

been sort of afraid in the other movies and now

6:33

It seems like they're doing pretty well. Allison's

6:36

working as a medical assistant. Louristro

6:38

just seems to be kind of like a wackadoodle

6:40

around town. And basically,

6:42

we kind of I initially thought that we were just

6:44

gonna have, like, a cold open and not really come

6:46

back to that character. But earlier in the

6:48

movie, we see Corey come back. and

6:51

he is being tormented by some,

6:53

like, local teenagers. All

6:55

of whom you know are gonna be absolutely filleted

6:57

based on how they are treating him. Lori

6:59

strobe sort of spots this, and she's like a defender

7:02

of the bullied. And she goes up and

7:04

she like kind of scares the kids away

7:06

after they like knock him down basically.

7:08

And then slashes their tires

7:10

with him and then brings him

7:12

to the granddaughter's medical

7:14

clinic because quite clearly

7:16

she's up to, like, kind of matchmaking.

7:18

Right. There's a moment where the twist

7:20

or the sort of development in this movie. In

7:22

the second one, as you mentioned, was sort of all about, like,

7:24

mob justice. It's like the fear of Michael

7:26

Miles turns the entire town into

7:28

killers. In this case, the town has

7:30

sort of weirdly turned on Laurie Strode

7:32

and, like, blames her for Michael

7:35

Myers existence. They one

7:37

of the the victims from the last movie

7:39

who the daughter of a woman who got, I

7:41

guess, not not killed, but paralyzed, sort of

7:43

blames her and it's like, you know, it's your buggy

7:45

man, you did this. Other people kind of blame

7:47

Lori for somehow, like, leading Michael

7:49

on until he snapped. Corey,

7:52

at one point says, like, well, you know, they couldn't your

7:54

boogeyman, so they made me the boogeyman, where the

7:56

boogeyman gets it a lot in here. And

7:58

in that scene where he's getting tormented by

8:00

the the teens outside the drugstore,

8:03

She comes to his rescue

8:05

and they, you know, they sort of like, oh,

8:07

look, you know, it's Laurie Strode. She's still sort of famous

8:09

local celebrity. Don't be the victim of a

8:11

serial killer in a small town because everybody

8:13

will will know who you are. You know, it's the

8:15

psycho and the freak show. And then there's

8:17

a sort of back and forth

8:19

ever, like, which one of them is the psycho and which

8:21

which one of the freak show. So I guess if the movie

8:23

has a thesis, it's that. The movie

8:25

comes back to that. And I think that you're right

8:27

that, like, it's trying to riff on

8:29

the last movie's idea about, like, a grief

8:31

contagion or, like, a trauma contagion

8:34

basically. like infecting these people and taking

8:36

it to, like, the next level, I

8:38

guess. Yeah. Laurie uses the word, like,

8:40

infection and sickness like in her memoir a

8:42

lot. There's at the beginning of

8:44

that seen when they're tormenting

8:46

Corey, he, like, has a glass bottle of choc

8:48

milk in his hand for some reason, and he, like,

8:50

squeezes eddie so upset that he squeezes it until

8:52

it breaks. and it, like, cuts his hand open and that

8:54

sort of, like, the, you know, something where you

8:56

get, like, a little scratch and then use

8:58

some you know, you it seems like nothing, but

9:00

then you you get, like, you know, full

9:02

body sepsis or something that's like that sort of that's

9:04

like the entry for the infection that

9:07

will take him over. Right. It's a little

9:09

perhaps on the nose. they go to the clinic and

9:11

he starts sorting with the granddaughter, and there's

9:13

instant chemistry there. And you can tell that

9:15

those two are gonna be sort of a driving force

9:17

in the movie. And the thing that's going

9:19

on with them is, like, pretty

9:21

quickly after they start

9:23

seeing each other, I think

9:25

that Lori Strode starts to

9:27

suspect something actually is off with Corey.

9:29

Does that happen right away or is it

9:31

shortly after the first meeting? first, she's

9:33

like, hey, you know, you should meet my granddaughter,

9:35

and she kind of sets them up and, like, pushes

9:37

them together. But then they

9:39

I guess, they eventually, like, go out to a Halloween

9:42

party a few still a few days before Halloween when they go

9:44

out to a costume party at a bar,

9:46

Corey runs into the mother of

9:48

the boy. He's accidentally killed everybody

9:50

recognizes him as the guy who killed the boy.

9:53

So he runs into the mother who's

9:55

just, like, out, you know, drinking by herself. I guess

9:57

we we sort of intuit that the the

9:59

couple has, you know, split up. they

10:01

get into a fight. He sort of runs off, and

10:03

that's when he's kinda really starts to go off

10:05

the rails. And I think that's when he ends up

10:07

knighting a homeless man to

10:09

death under a bridge. Yes.

10:12

Basically, what happens is that he's walking home. He

10:14

storms out of the party because the mother confronts him and

10:16

calls him a murderer and so on kind of

10:18

echoing the way that people have been confronting

10:20

Lawrie Stroud and then they

10:23

confront him at the edge of a bridge and through a

10:25

back and forth in which he finally tries to stand up

10:27

for himself. They end up throwing him over the bridge.

10:29

It's not a very steep fall, so he's just

10:31

knocked out on the ground. But nevertheless, it's

10:33

kind of an unpleasant scene. And

10:35

then all of a sudden, this like

10:38

unseen figure drags him into his storage. Yeah.

10:40

We've gotten this ominous shot of this like

10:42

culvert leading into a hill

10:44

before And I think there's even, like, a

10:46

PoV shot from inside it. So we know,

10:48

like, Michael's in it's been

10:50

four years, but somehow Michael's just been, like,

10:52

living in like, a drainage

10:54

pipe for four years? Yeah. It's

10:56

funny because, like, in

10:57

the last movie, they were sort of going toward this

10:59

direction where Michael was superhuman and it really did

11:01

not seem like kill him anymore. And

11:03

in this movie, even though he came

11:05

out of the mob justice in the last one enough

11:07

to kill Lori Stuart's daughter, he

11:10

seems to have been badly battered and

11:12

just like like living, you know, as like

11:14

a the literal shadow of the town.

11:16

And there's there's a bit, I mean, we're

11:18

jumping huddle. But eventually, Corey,

11:20

who, you know, again, seems like this kind of

11:22

unimportant character being sort of ends up, like,

11:24

taking on both

11:25

literally and figuratively sort

11:27

of taking on Michael Myers mantle.

11:29

And there's a point at which he sort of, you know,

11:31

kills somebody accidentally, then he, like, kills many

11:33

people. on purpose. And there's a point in which

11:35

he goes to Michael

11:38

Gregg's, I guess, his cop

11:40

ex boyfriend, like, tricks him back into the

11:42

calvert, sort of lures him down there, and then it holds

11:44

him up and says to Michael, like, I wanna see how you do

11:46

it. So you have many holds him down while Michael,

11:48

like, you know, stabs him with the iconic

11:50

knife, and then Corey really decides

11:52

to commit to the bit at that point. And there's

11:54

a point in what she says to Michael, like, I need you

11:56

know, I came back because I need something that

11:58

you have. And then there's like this sort

11:59

of pretty

12:01

funny in at at least in a different context

12:03

like a long shot through

12:06

the through the covert where you see

12:08

Michael and Corey sort of, like, staggering

12:10

back and forth, like, out of frame, like, wrestling

12:12

with each other. You know, they wrestle, they go out of

12:14

frame, they come back in. It's like this long sort slabstick

12:16

bit. And then eventually, you find

12:18

out that Corey has, like, taken

12:21

his mask, basically, to put it

12:23

on, and and obviously, like, one of and the movie is like you've

12:25

never seen Michael without the mask. It was never

12:27

the what like, the one thing that will deter him

12:29

from killing somebody is

12:31

adjusting his mask when it's almost pulled

12:33

off. like that's very important. So the fact that,

12:35

like, someone else can take it off and where

12:37

it is. There's this scene

12:39

at the beginning, which sort of made my blood run

12:41

cold where I think Allison or

12:43

maybe your friend is giving someone a taro reading

12:45

and just, like, oh, whatever this card is, it

12:47

means, like, an old chapter closes

12:49

and a new one begins and I'm are

12:52

they setting up like another trilogy of what's

12:54

going on, but they're really they're just, you know,

12:56

for the sake of this movie setting Corey up to be

12:58

sort of briefly the new shape.

13:00

Yeah. And so like you said, they go out of their

13:02

way to code this kid as like pretty innocent and

13:04

someone who's been corrupted by the town, the chocolate

13:06

milk stuff. And he just generally gets kind of

13:08

a timeless performance and seems

13:10

kind of broken up. And

13:12

he at first kills a homeless man who confronts

13:14

him sort of by accident. And

13:17

then it sort of escalates at the

13:19

same time as he is starting a

13:21

romance with Alison, which goes

13:23

very fast. It does, but they

13:25

really do I think the two have, like, decent

13:27

chemistry and it was not the least believable part

13:29

of the movie that the two of them

13:31

would connect the way

13:33

they do. but it's really strange. It has a

13:35

really weird, like, sort of, seventies vibe to it.

13:37

They're, like, riding around on this old

13:39

motorcycle. And then, like, so much of the movie, no

13:41

one's being killed, and it feels like a much different sort of

13:43

thing than a Halloween movie in a way that, again,

13:45

I found out altogether unpleasant, although

13:48

I imagine most fans and most people would taste

13:50

or disagree. And I

13:52

it goes on for a while like this, but you do

13:55

start to see flashes of him kind of

13:57

having some issues. He confronts the

13:59

police officer at one

13:59

point that was also dating Alison in

14:02

of frightening way. And he's

14:04

the one that he ends up killing with Michael

14:06

in the sewer. And he's got

14:07

his whole weird, like mother thing. too.

14:10

Oh, yeah. Almost can't even remember that. But he lives

14:12

with his parents. Corey lives with his parents,

14:14

including a much a very

14:16

overprotective shall we say mother. And if there

14:18

are tones of her loving her son a little

14:20

bit too much, of course later in the movie, they become

14:22

explicit. She says at one point, like, has

14:24

come home late or something, and she's like, well, if you're not

14:26

a good like, boys who aren't good, don't get any

14:28

customers. It's

14:30

really it's quite bizarre. But

14:33

I think that, like, It

14:36

all pretty much works to build him up

14:38

to become he's the main sort of

14:40

antagonist if also victim of the

14:42

movie. And at first, he's killing people,

14:44

including like Alison's boss. at the

14:46

doctor's office. He wears a scarecrow mask to the

14:48

Halloween party and at first that becomes his

14:50

mask. And so he's going around and killing

14:52

people. in typically brutal

14:54

fashion. Although this movie, I would

14:56

say, was just a touch less gory

14:58

than the last one. until the

15:00

end. I I mean, I'm not, like, a horror

15:02

fan of the sort that is, like, will,

15:04

you know, ask, like, what are the kills

15:06

in the movie or something, but I I will

15:08

say, just from that point of view, the kills in this

15:10

movie are a lot less. Gory, but also like

15:12

less inventive than the previous I think the previous

15:14

movie was the one where somebody gets like stabbed

15:16

to death with, like, a new old post from

15:18

a stair case or something like that. And this

15:20

is just he runs somebody over with a truck

15:22

at one point. mean, he blowed towards his people. He does

15:24

some things in this. I'm not a oh, what are the

15:26

kills? Are the kills gruesome enough person either?

15:28

And so I appreciated this movie was a

15:30

little bit less sadistic. So

15:32

we are getting very rapidly toward

15:34

the ending because like we say, oh, this movie is

15:36

fairly long, not a ton happens in it.

15:38

But I guess we should take a moment

15:40

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back. So we are approaching the

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ends of Halloween ends. how do we

17:36

end up with sort of the final confrontation, which,

17:38

you know, does eventually involve

17:40

Michael Myers.

17:41

So, yeah, Michael Myers does show up in the movie

17:43

in which supposed to be the last movie in which he

17:45

appears, which it certainly won't be. And as we

17:47

mentioned earlier, Laurie strode at some point

17:50

sees the evil in court realizes

17:52

that something's going on with him and

17:54

starts warning Alison about him and saying she

17:56

needs to stay away from him. There's a really bizarre

17:59

scene in which Corey

18:01

falls asleep in the abandoned house where he

18:03

accidentally killed the kid. And Lori

18:05

started just there, like, with a chair against the

18:07

wallbang in the chair against the wall, I don't

18:09

even remember what she says, but it's something like, you know, I know

18:11

what you are. I know what you're doing. She does a lot

18:13

of talking about like the nature of evil and there's outside

18:15

evil and inside evil and yada

18:18

yada yada. What have you said that Jamie Lee

18:20

Curtis has a lot of fun with the last

18:22

her last horizon character. If

18:24

nothing else, she's a real joy to watch.

18:26

So anyway, she's confronting this kid

18:28

and and also Alison about being

18:30

with him because they they're basically planning

18:32

to run away together with this kid and

18:35

Alison and Cory. And

18:37

the issue is is that he also

18:39

just keeps absolutely

18:41

massacring people. And so it's obviously not going

18:43

to work out, including we should say, like, all the all

18:45

the tea in gas stations, you know, of course, he, you know or or, of

18:47

course, are all brutally eviscerated one

18:50

way or another. Yes. The sequence

18:52

eventually back to

18:54

we haven't really talked about it, but he works at this, like, sort

18:56

of car repair shop that's in a junkyard. They all

18:58

end up there with the teens and he does dispatch

19:00

them all in, like, classic horror movie.

19:03

like who's the real villain sort of situation.

19:06

So anyway, we're basically now

19:08

finally at this, like, ending

19:10

moment where he's

19:12

stolen Michael Myers' mask and sort of,

19:14

like, kinda knocked him on the ground and,

19:16

like, kinda taking up the mantle in a way

19:18

that, like, certainly disrespecting that

19:20

when we kind of get the sense that he's like

19:22

had enough of this kid and enough of

19:24

being pushed around. And

19:26

so We end up

19:28

back we know that a conversation is

19:30

going to happen between Lori, Frode,

19:32

and Cory to start out with. Do

19:34

you wanna take us into that?

19:36

Yeah. Sure. So we one

19:39

of the threads that's running through this

19:41

movie is Laurie sort of finishing

19:43

her memoir that she's been

19:45

working on So she finally finishes it, and then she's sitting

19:47

upstairs at her desk in her little writing nook,

19:49

picks up the phone and says, like, I wanna report

19:51

a suicide. hangs at the phone, pulls out

19:53

this gun, we think, 000

19:55

no. She's overcome by grief. I mean,

19:57

the movie has not really set us up to

19:59

believe this at all, but it's like, well,

20:01

a lot arbitrary things have happened and this maybe

20:03

they're just gonna have Lori kill herself. So

20:05

cuts away. We hear gunshot. We see

20:07

this splat. Come out of

20:09

the door. that incomes Corey

20:12

pan back to the mantle piece where Lori has

20:14

actually just shot pumpkin. Call back to

20:16

the the credits of the original

20:18

and you know, most of the movie since. And so

20:20

then they have, you know, she's just like, oh,

20:22

you ready? You didn't really think I would kill myself.

20:25

She shoot him, I think, twice.

20:27

And then puts the rest of the bullets the

20:29

wall for some reason, but he's he's, you

20:31

know, at this point, lying there

20:33

sort of bleeding out, we think

20:36

briefly dead at the bottom of

20:38

her stairs. And then, of course,

20:40

we see a shape move

20:42

in the background. So earlier in

20:44

the movie, when Lori had

20:46

confronted Corey. Corey said

20:48

something like, if I can't have

20:50

Alison know one well, there's a lot of

20:52

classic abuser language going on in the

20:54

movie and it's all about the cycle of

20:56

trauma, etcetera, etcetera, that this movie is sort

20:58

of trying to toy with it, not very

21:00

convincingly. And then in this

21:02

scene, after are on the ground. Does

21:04

Michael confront him while he's still alive? Yeah.

21:06

We think he's dead, but then the Lori

21:09

realizes that she sees like a curtain

21:11

bellowing and she's like, you know, she knows Michael's in the

21:13

house because she has, you know, like Michael

21:15

Dar. At this point so he goes

21:17

up to Corey. Michael

21:19

goes to pick up the knife, which

21:21

Corey's left on the floor, and Corey grabs his arm

21:23

when he does it. So he's not dead, like a little

21:25

sort of end of carey jumpscare

21:27

there. They struggle with it for a little bit, and then Michael just kind of grabs

21:29

his head and breaks his neck.

21:30

Oh, yes. That's right. because what I

21:33

was thinking of is that earlier in the scene,

21:35

he stabs himself in

21:37

the neck. and says he repeats the line about

21:39

if no one can have her and then stabs

21:41

himself somehow. That's supposed to make sense.

21:43

Okay. Right. And then Michael comes and Michael,

21:45

yes, dispatches him. takes

21:47

the mask back. And so it begins,

21:49

what the trailers for this movie sort of presented

21:51

it as being a confrontation between the two

21:53

of them once again. And it goes through a

21:55

lot of weird sort of, like, volying

21:58

around the house. Like, they like,

21:59

at one point, he, like, takes her hand and puts

22:02

in the garbage disposal and tries to turn

22:04

it on. which is itself a callback to the

22:06

previous Halloween anniversary

22:08

sequel in which she decapitates

22:11

Michael Myers. And you're going into this movie, and

22:13

this movie ignores the events of anything

22:15

after Halloween too, if you don't

22:17

recall. So that's why that kind of makes

22:19

sense that she's already killed him before. And in

22:21

fact, in the he's also killed

22:23

her. But I

22:25

think in in the scene,

22:27

you sort of like, what can she possibly do

22:29

to Michael that it'd be more final? than

22:32

decapitating him. And so he does come up with an

22:34

answer. But first, we're sort of in the

22:36

kitchen, and she's like kind of crucifying

22:38

him. She's like, she's puts, like,

22:40

knives through both of

22:42

his hands and, like, kind of, has them

22:44

open on the thing. She can really handle big

22:46

game. And Michael, you

22:48

know, she's She gets him down. She seems to

22:50

cut one of his arteries at first, and

22:52

then she slices his throat. And then

22:54

for good measure, she slits his

22:56

wrist the right way as the moves have

22:58

Tommy. It's a very long and bizarre sequence. That's, like,

23:00

almost a little bit tender in the weird way.

23:02

Yeah. And he comes back, you know, after you think he stood

23:04

at one point and grabbed her around the throat

23:06

and is choking her out, and then Allison comes

23:08

back in, sees Corey dead.

23:11

But, you know, comes around

23:13

to her mom's side. eventually. Yeah.

23:15

Grandma. Yeah. I'm so sorry. Yeah. At first, she's,

23:17

like, horribly mad that she that Laura started

23:19

us killed Corey, but later

23:22

on, she sort of seems to have come around to it

23:24

have been being the

23:25

right thing and realizing that Lori was

23:28

right. But in a very weird sequence

23:30

that was kind of fun almost,

23:33

they take Michael and, like, they decide that he's

23:35

not dead enough yet. So

23:38

they

23:38

strap his body to a on top of a car,

23:41

I believe. And, like, the entire townspeople form a

23:43

line as if they're, like, going to a mess, like, a

23:45

giant funeral in the middle of the

23:47

night, and they drive out

23:49

to the junkyard

23:51

where, you know, Corey killed

23:53

all the teens. They feed him into what I

23:55

believe if I remember right Steven King correctly

23:57

is called a Wrangler. They put his body in

23:59

there and, like, it is they really make pulp out of him.

24:01

And, you know, at the capitation, it's

24:03

very nineties compared to this. Like, it is, like, at

24:05

a very thorough evisceration. You

24:07

see his little head, like, get sort of

24:09

squished up and, like, you know, mashed

24:11

in the gears of this thing. Like, it is he's

24:13

really most sincerely dead at this point. Yeah. I

24:16

think that it's meant to be a

24:18

weirdly sort of sweet moment even

24:20

though it's incredibly gruesome. So

24:22

this movie is sort of assimilated

24:25

to earlier does something different that he thinks is bad and I think

24:27

is okay, but it it it, like, also

24:29

wants to have

24:31

this

24:31

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24:33

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24:35

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27:01

about Halloween ends, how it does bring

27:04

this whole new trilogy to close.

27:06

I'm sure there will be, you know, more

27:08

Halloween movies in another ten

27:10

or five or three years whenever the

27:12

IP needs to be revived. But as a

27:14

fan of the series like this or a

27:16

devotee of the series up to this point, how did you feel

27:18

about this as a kind of at least

27:20

temporary close to the cycle? I

27:21

mean, I think it is a far less

27:24

satisfying movie than Hollywood H20 It's just

27:26

like from the late nineties and it's like an

27:28

eighty minute sort of throwaway Slasher

27:30

kind of, but it like is a taut

27:32

little movie in which she confronts Michael onto

27:34

Cabotades and like I said. And it's like so

27:36

I guess they just like realized they couldn't do

27:38

that movie again and wanna do something different, which as

27:40

I said, I appreciate shape. I can't imagine that fans of the

27:42

series and of this character are going to take very kindly

27:44

to how they just, like, really like,

27:48

let

27:48

this kidwalk all over him and make him into

27:50

this weak feeble little thing only for Lori

27:52

Strode to feed him to a Wrangler.

27:55

But I you know, I thought it was solid.

27:57

It it caught me by surprise. I

27:59

don't know

27:59

that the movie makes any sense or works at

28:02

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28:04

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28:06

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28:08

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28:10

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28:12

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