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hello i'm dana stevens,

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latest movie critic, and i'm here with another slate,

1:09

spoiler special this week we're going to be be spoiling

1:11

lightyear, the new fifth movie

1:13

in the toy story franchise do we want to call it

1:15

the fifth movie? i don't know, but i will

1:17

decide with my co discussant, sam

1:19

adams a senior editor at slate hey, sam and

1:25

i'm going to get to that in a minute you get into of kind

1:27

of a deep dive on the villain and

1:29

what role he plays in the hole on

1:31

toy story franchise but

1:33

first of all, help

1:35

me with this i mean, no way there's so much to say about this

1:37

movie in a way, they're so little, i

1:39

think we both may be felt similarly about it as a

1:41

movie but before we get started, just tell me, yes,

1:44

or no one lightyear, would you send your friends?

1:46

would you take your kid, did you take your kid that

1:54

question? and no,

1:56

i probably would not it's a hard movie to

1:58

kind of mustard a lot of feelings about not

2:00

exactly sorry i sat through it but

2:02

i don't see any reason why anyone else

2:04

would do that and guess based on the opening

2:06

weekend box us is seems that people are

2:08

generally agree with that

2:10

yeah i guess the box office was really disappointing

2:12

which also may have to do with the fact that this is the first

2:14

i believe theatrical only released from pixar

2:17

since the pandemic right this is them testing the

2:19

waters of well what you have to come into

2:21

the theater and people seem to be thing know

2:23

we'd like are disney pixar at home thank you very

2:25

much yeah i guess i asked about

2:27

your daughter not realizing she was thirteen already

2:29

because i do think my exception to in general not

2:31

liking this movie is that if had small child

2:33

i would take them to it think it's a perfectly sweet

2:35

and well crafted movie it's

2:37

just that the expectations that we

2:39

have of a pixar movie in particularly

2:42

one in this series i

2:44

to me or so much higher than what it was able to fulfill

2:46

so i said my review light year that i find

2:48

it to be saddest pixar movie

2:50

almost from the outside perspective of

2:52

why does it exist in the first place certainly

2:54

not the saddest in terms of subject matter

2:57

necessarily but it left me with a kind of a

2:59

a depressed feeling and i think it was because

3:01

it just really did feel like a piece of ip for

3:03

the first time a in while the

3:05

from from xr right

3:07

pics or has been pretty good at not

3:09

making movies for children that feel

3:12

wrote things that aren't sort of that's

3:14

your thoroughly predicated by

3:16

the idea that like kids gonna go see

3:18

it anyways we don't actually need to make good

3:21

on that sort of made them good anyway this

3:23

one feels like a movie where they started from the premise

3:25

of people gonna get discuss the no matter what they

3:27

did and they raised they

3:29

level of their game accordingly right

3:32

mean movie

3:33

for content goes is not cynical at

3:35

all it's very sweet message and think

3:37

it was yeah they honestly tried to crests it to be

3:40

as good delivery of that message but

3:42

the cynicism comes in with the fact

3:44

that this trilogy that felt perfectly

3:46

complete everyone at toy story three was then

3:48

spun out again for toy story for which liked

3:50

more than some people that which definitely felt like

3:52

they're starting to milk it and you know now

3:54

sort getting into these prequels

3:56

spin off high concept things is just

3:58

starting feel more they like the

4:00

marvel cinematic universe

4:03

they're sort of jokes going around

4:05

or months now right they first announced the movie

4:07

increase evans who voices as light

4:09

your this didn't sort of semi awkward

4:11

treat trying to explain the concept

4:13

the movie thing know will look this isn't actually buzz

4:15

lightyear the toy this is the movie about the human

4:18

that by the toys based on on

4:21

, people into making for that for your and

4:23

half and the actual idea behind it

4:25

is not that hard to understand but i

4:27

think it's underlying and as there's no compelling

4:30

reason for like why this thing exists

4:33

on so explaining at it and plotters is not

4:35

that hard explaining it in an existential sense

4:37

of justifying it is more

4:40

complicated the

4:41

right you want to start off with just title

4:43

card that establishes the premise

4:45

that's when a movie opens with sri title

4:48

cards on that read in nineteen ninety

4:50

five a boy named andy got a buzz lightyear

4:52

toy for his birthday it

4:54

was from his favorite movie this

4:56

is that movie ah so

4:59

basically what we're looking at is

5:02

sort of the franchise spawning

5:04

initial installment of thing

5:06

that if you read an interview the

5:08

director is apparently by the time

5:10

and he was however old

5:12

is an entire story one and

5:14

had already been around for quite awhile and been spun

5:16

off into or various iterations

5:19

but that's where his attachment to this toy comes from

5:21

that's what buzz lightyear by their aisles

5:23

and aisles him in toy stores to begin with

5:25

and this is kind where it all started this

5:28

is live action movie in theory although it's

5:30

also animated which is where we started

5:32

going into like the been pointlessly

5:34

confusing bedouin you're watching animated

5:36

versions of real people and

5:38

not animated versions of

5:40

right it's live action in universe

5:42

is of a universe where it nobody's lycett

5:45

since so that's the of existential

5:47

pit it exists in but as story

5:50

itself mean that all sounds so conceptual that you

5:52

might think that you'd be stepping into some cicadas

5:54

you know mirrored identities in this an ad

5:56

and time travel other isn't time travel it comes

5:58

along but releases of the routine

6:01

and space adventure movie you know and

6:03

what really begins after that

6:05

that title card premise gets laid out is something

6:07

that could one hundred percent just be from as you

6:09

know after school special style him

6:12

helps like as a space

6:14

are you from the eighties or so yeah

6:16

you mentioned in your of you just in passing

6:18

on charlie kaufman's will be synecdoche the york

6:21

army and there's sort of version of the support

6:23

the really whacked out like charlie kaufman

6:25

version of that are like this in for the adaptation

6:28

of buzz lightyear words flipping back and

6:30

forth between universes and conceptual

6:32

frames arm and that's that's not what

6:34

light years at all

6:36

so as what you begins the same we

6:38

have the astronaut of the title being voiced

6:41

by chris evans rather than some

6:43

allen's i think it's it's

6:45

seems like a pretty contiguous character

6:47

but it's sort of hard to displace that care

6:49

different to assure universe of course because

6:51

in the toy story universe he is toy is

6:54

that buzz lightyear as a man has a whole different

6:56

set of conflicts obviously he doesn't have to worry

6:58

about whether not he is a real adventure and

7:00

space he is but instead

7:02

finds himself up against this again

7:04

pretty routine size i problem of being stranded

7:07

on strange planets this is because

7:09

he was so hubris sick and his attempt to

7:11

rescue his team his starship teams

7:14

from this planet that he essentially destroys

7:16

the fuel cell in their spaceship and strands of

7:18

on this pretty inhospitable planet

7:20

where they have to live inside a dome so

7:22

as not to be it's attacked by giant vine

7:24

so he's essentially has a sort the

7:27

survivor's guilt at the beginning you're not quite

7:29

survivor's guilt but the guilt of the as a

7:31

man who messed up

7:32

nation in first place great it's weirdly

7:34

never entirely explain

7:36

but basically the general idea seems

7:38

to be that person is so space rangers are

7:40

kind of the advance guard for interplanetary

7:43

colonization so they have this whole ship

7:45

full of people in deep freeze in their dispersed

7:47

of find habitable worlds

7:49

world they found at the beginning of the movie turns out

7:51

to be uninhabitable so they're just

7:53

trying to get out of there but buds

7:56

being as her paki sly

7:58

boy doesn't listen to his others the

8:00

rangers crashes the

8:02

spaceship and so ali's colonists

8:04

have wake him up and get them to settle

8:06

this rather have an ideal

8:08

planet because they can't leave

8:11

right and the other characters bring up here is is i

8:13

guess you'd call his copilot she seems to be

8:15

his commander although they're pretty close in rank

8:17

right and this is a the character of alicia

8:20

hawthorne voiced by

8:21

though i do that yes so

8:24

those sort of macguffin of macguffin movie

8:26

is if it will hyper speed

8:28

feel that they need to get off the planet the

8:31

used up the last event when they crash the ship

8:33

so they have to let the colonists apps and like rebuild

8:35

society so that they can figure out

8:38

sir rediscover from scratch how

8:40

to build this view on

8:42

, bus they keep making different versions

8:44

of testing different formulas and every time they come

8:46

up with one both needs go out

8:49

into space try to get his post

8:51

he can to hyper speed which is basically

8:53

light speed speed and then come back

8:55

the planet and he discovers after his

8:57

first test first that

8:59

are because if we remember your introductory

9:02

physics as approached the speed of light

9:04

time moves faster on planet and

9:06

slower for him so his one flight

9:08

that's half an hour for

9:11

years have passed on the planet and sorry keeps

9:13

know trying trying different doing different situations

9:16

of this fuel studies very single

9:18

mindedly so the summers when task and meanwhile

9:21

as a c especially through the life

9:23

of his partner i'm people

9:25

live in the lights on this planet see you

9:27

know finds a girlfriend she gets married

9:30

they have they have with answer that

9:32

she is or a grandchild see kinda grows

9:34

old and dies and meanwhile buzzes just

9:37

gonna go around the planet again and again

9:39

gotten enough point six point seven

9:41

point eight lights be been never

9:43

quite get re and

9:44

learn all of that that plan is aging faster

9:46

than he is in sort

9:48

of up sale montage right mean it's and

9:50

has nowhere near for me the emotional power

9:52

of the up montage but it has similar function

9:55

in that you know we we so to see time passing

9:57

in this accelerated way and

9:59

or the the effect on him emotionally

10:01

of watching his whole world slip away from

10:04

him as you mentioned in your writing on this on this would be

10:06

really too bleak to handle especially for children's

10:08

movie if acute mascot were not

10:10

involved with given the cute mascot the one

10:12

that sucks

10:14

i've been can we talk about anything other than sampson

10:16

if you said slavery talk about socks the

10:18

charges really is both the most marketable

10:21

toy and i think probably the

10:23

best concept in the movie which

10:25

doesn't go that far her because it's previous know that

10:27

full of clever concepts but i admit

10:29

that i did like sox particularly his very unusual

10:32

voicing by a non voice

10:34

right by i believe one of the animation directors

10:36

of them as he yeah peterson who are

10:38

work on the good dinosaur among other movies

10:40

in there's a long tradition of this at pixar going

10:43

think all the with at least one way back

10:45

to our heimlich caterpillar in

10:47

a bugs life which is voiced by

10:49

animator joe ramped i think about this you just kind

10:51

of laid down the scratch track

10:53

when they were of to an initial animation with that you

10:55

know what this is really good like let's just keep it

10:58

and since and i'm all animators gonna have

11:00

be actors to a certain extent on

11:02

just they have something to reference when they're drawing the sense

11:04

of pixar has kind a long tradition

11:06

now have just been keeping animators

11:09

voices in movie services and instances

11:11

that peterson gazette i think what is arguably

11:14

the standout performance in the entire movie

11:16

in some mean i'm pretty professional

11:18

actors

11:20

and listen very very minimal lines like

11:22

meow meow meow meow molester saw

11:24

him or making goofy sound effects

11:26

that yeah that is an effective relationship and is something

11:28

that levin said it the bleakness of

11:30

us having to watch buzz outlive all

11:32

of his loved ones as he continues mano

11:35

maniacal he to try to escape the planet

11:37

i feel like that the scripted of in little bit clear

11:39

on to what extent it was just

11:41

purely his monomaniac obsessive

11:43

they got they got them into that trap or to

11:45

what extent he was sort of sacrifice

11:47

he know i mean it's also kind of the choice

11:50

of the rest of the the planetary

11:52

colonists to let him keep on doing these

11:54

rounds that gonna eventually age

11:56

him out of their lives right because we're only

11:59

sort of seeing in order

12:00

to compress this whole thing into as you

12:02

say maybe ten minutes or something we don't really get a sense

12:04

of how the rest of the colony feels

12:06

about this idea that there eventually

12:08

kind of just gonna stay on this planet of they sort of

12:10

put up a big laser shield to

12:12

keep the as dry it bugs

12:14

and century and vines that

12:17

have would otherwise be dragon them off to

12:19

god knows where out and there's yeah

12:21

it was acquainted with all them just decide that those kind

12:24

gonna live their lives this is home now

12:26

are some of them again in keep going up policy

12:28

and four years as we sure want to get off this rock

12:30

on we don't really know whether

12:33

it's working and operated certainly plays out

12:35

in movie like this definite becomes buzzes

12:37

obsession and that sort of the emotional

12:40

core of movie i guess is is the sort fanatical

12:42

devotion to your one

12:45

task the that what he thinks of as is space

12:47

ranger duty his identity vs

12:50

what's actually going on with other people around

12:52

him and that kind of five i

12:54

don't know into actual validity or something as

12:56

is but the movie eventually

12:59

suggested maybe not such a great idea the

13:01

i mean would say to the first half or maybe even almost

13:03

two thirds of the movie that the main antagonist

13:05

is buzz himself the internal conflict

13:07

about him trying to overcome this part of personality

13:10

that won't give up on the mission

13:12

even when the mission doesn't make any sense and in fact

13:14

people have moved on with their lives and

13:16

deaths were pretty interesting conflict for a kids

13:18

movie but it gets i think it's

13:21

not fairly drops in

13:23

favor the more traditional villain

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consider the back half of movie i'm not sure exactly

15:48

what point this isn't the runtime but it's after

15:51

had entire generation of people that buzz

15:53

came up with on the planet is gone right

15:55

and that in fact not only that entire

15:58

generous and passed away

16:00

but his old friend and mentor

16:02

lisa there

16:03

now has a granddaughter is a voice by

16:05

kiki palmer who becomes she's

16:07

trainee and astronaut training who had

16:09

becomes a protege of does in turn

16:11

so simply now set up a second

16:13

set conflicts and here's where wanted to get into your

16:15

investigation of characters derg voiced

16:17

by josh brolin here who

16:19

has a genealogy in the toy story

16:21

world and is being used in different

16:24

way here and i thought was really the

16:26

least effective part of movie nothing to do with josh

16:28

brolin voice characterization but just

16:30

it's this kind of eleventh

16:32

hour entry of this robot villain

16:35

to me was a moment that the movie felt very

16:37

wrote in like it didn't know it was trying say

16:39

boy yeah i agree with that so this whole thread

16:41

second final section of movie

16:43

takes place was finally

16:45

gets his lightspeed fuel get

16:47

all way up to fully lightspeed

16:49

hooray by me comes back this i'm twenty

16:52

two years have passed on

16:54

me and into bit of or to planet

16:56

of the apes scenario where now this

16:58

in a one human outpost his

17:00

family cover by a laser shield that seems to be under

17:03

perpetual attacked by these army

17:05

of robots and commanded by this

17:07

figure named deserved the only

17:09

humans outside the shield really the only people

17:11

we see or this kind of the patrol

17:13

of misfits i want the

17:15

meaning is he he mentioned voice i can see palmer

17:18

on another another voice by take away

17:20

td and we find out that these robots

17:22

are all in the command deserves who is kind of buzzes

17:25

historical nemesis from the toy story

17:27

movies in his movies is basically

17:29

a many basically darth vader to begin rebel

17:31

though they don't really eat it ,

17:33

not character with whole lot of integrity

17:35

or continuity from one will be to the next week nobody

17:37

really cares it's a twice and toy can be anything

17:40

but the kid playing with him wants to be that

17:42

time but he's you know that the bad

17:44

guy he has big deep voice on

17:46

he says some sort of evil galactic

17:49

emperor wants to

17:51

rob universe fight buzz all

17:54

that yada that yada yada the spaces the bad

17:56

guys have to be in this movie there's a little

17:58

bit of a sort of half

18:00

hearted explanation as they

18:02

call the robots deserved because that's

18:04

the only noise they make that ,

18:07

and clear this guy's name is served

18:09

why they just accidently called robots

18:11

the same face for something that seems like

18:14

zombie rebuild like of couple in our draft

18:16

two from being fully hit like there's

18:18

some things to feel quite an ass

18:21

the like this least acts and land of the last

18:23

right there have they were called to the only

18:25

sound they do how to make i mean i think reason

18:27

i i wanted to hear you on zurich is just

18:29

as it like it was a moment of almost i

18:31

don't know what i want to call it like this like

18:33

this dishonesty or ip dishonesty

18:36

or something the moment that this character

18:38

observed as say really just this jokey

18:40

antagonists he was kind of invented to

18:42

to poke fun at the world of boring

18:45

group like antagonists and in kid

18:47

side six in movies and toys cetera

18:49

rights becomes disfigure

18:52

that supposed to that may

18:54

to and relate to buy this relationship to

18:56

him and you mentioned in passing that this

18:58

is it is a toss away line one of to during

19:00

the reserves as i am your father right

19:03

in a in kind of darth vader star wars

19:05

reference piglet movie actually kind of

19:07

take that seriously and the twists turns out

19:09

to be since we're doing is fully special that

19:11

zurich is not as his father but if understood

19:13

this correctly a sword as

19:15

projection of buzzes future

19:18

self or like bus from an

19:20

alternate future reality explain what's going

19:22

on when suddenly you know there's an even

19:24

later than the eleventh hour eleven and half

19:26

hour confrontation between buzz

19:28

and his older self from the future they'll

19:31

offer they're they're not cut ways to

19:33

just the head or this big

19:35

robot villain that eventually you

19:37

know you start to think of guinness isn't clue this

19:39

isn't robot like this is a suit like somebody

19:41

is gonna be in there at some point big i figured

19:44

out that much did not figure out

19:46

that jumping up almost the way to dinner

19:48

the movie that when the zoo finally opens up

19:50

ah , will come out is basically this old

19:53

sort of cranky embittered version

19:55

of bus himself have voiced

19:57

by james brolin i'm in the

19:59

movie and this those who it's

20:01

sort of semi explain but not really

20:03

like isn't an older version of

20:05

the spurs bird different bugs

20:08

that somehow older like there's lot

20:10

of hand waving going on here

20:12

maybe there's a butterfly effect sort of says

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his suggestion that if is buzz had made different

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choices as the person he would turn out to be

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on

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looked around to see if somebody else did sort

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of like reddit deep dive on earth and explained

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it and was missing something the

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kind explains it the with it really doesn't

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seem like they do it it just kind seems

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again this is one of those moments where it's like

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well good enough kids and i

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really need to explain it but the opposite

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basically a boss who sort of completed his

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mission but the collison

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while the become you just increasingly

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embittered by being stuck on this

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planet be not planet able to go out and range

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among stars as space raiders meant to

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do and so eventually kind

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of just keeps going back out in space by

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himself against getting more and getting

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sort of the equivalent cabin fever

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just be out them space for use

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by in southern eventually sky goes nuts

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because foreign up in future that

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they have discovered how to kind of harness

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the time travel with fact that this lightspeed

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fuel allows them to do and so he has

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gone back from the future to this kind mid

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point where he met up with this other busby know

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it's out of your and needs more fuel

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to go all the way back to beginning of the movies

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and basically stop the

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ship from crash into the they never get marooned

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on the planet in first place and bugs

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can go back doing what is meant to do which is not

21:28

sort of basically to be kind

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of like you know the cool middle age do

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like going from one planet the next never having

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settle down or but you know deal with a real

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responsibility like that sort of the the

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not of this rag just bugs never wants to

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the rock he just wants to and a perpetually be

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a vagabond i guess in our

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a drifter right in

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where ends up being his salvation which could

21:50

have been when i think of a kind of cool ecological

21:52

metaphor but is not at all used that way

21:54

is that he has his except as he

21:56

has a except the crash landed

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life on the planet under a dome

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fighting vines whatever their lot

22:02

has turned out to be and i

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think the movie ends up sort of being an argument on

22:07

behalf of you know there's no place like

22:09

home even if his home is a dome

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under strange remote stranded planet with

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giant blinds

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right well yes look the fact that

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you know it's okay so yes they could

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go back in time and change

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the timeline you know spaceship

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gets out the planet grade everyone is happy

22:25

and they go after com as and presumably better world

22:28

but that happens you know maybe

22:30

his partner alicia doesn't

22:32

meet her partner maybe she doesn't get married

22:34

and have and son and maybe that's and doesn't have his he

22:36

and all the people in this

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you know president of the second half unlimited

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made a big they'd all have lives that they've

22:43

had those i'll get wiped out and true nobody's

22:45

ever going to know because the time will have been changed but

22:47

he is he searched the feel that

22:49

it you know it's not just about him is not just about

22:51

his mission it's about the lives of others people leave

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and it's not his ah

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place to go and his wife those out because

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of some the an american workers that

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thought the two years in the past or

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wherever we are at this point

23:04

sorry i could get an accurate summary of where

23:06

the movie puts him at the and whether or not as

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a satisfying or even quite sensible

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way through the movie to and is another question which i

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when we lay it out way that we're talking about it it seems

25:16

like this movie is full of meaningful ethical

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quandaries and you know self

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discovery and sort of moments of

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real progress for characters but while watching

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the movie i felt that all the emotional beats is

25:27

hitting were very pat and i'm just

25:29

wondering if you feel like me that this movie didn't knowledge

25:31

is not quite sick the lending i just really

25:33

don't know other then again you know

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the

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a retread arsenal your ip and have couple

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need you characters no it is movie

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was trying to to say right

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yeah for me was really distinguish the pixar

25:45

movie airing they they came into being as as

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vienna one of the first serve digital animation

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companies of people often think of them in

25:52

technical terms of or me what really

25:54

distinguishes or movie is the sort story

25:56

factory that comes out of and they really

25:59

work through their emotional beats

26:01

and think in that sort of later years

26:03

picture like almost to a fault like starts

26:05

to get a little bit mechanistic like how

26:07

clearly you can see them like establishing

26:10

steaks the beginning with answers part where they

26:12

get raises an arm and it's little bit

26:14

like watching in of said field given screenwriting

26:16

a seminar but with cartoons

26:19

so this case either you to see that really

26:21

happening very nakedly in this movie there's one

26:23

point where they get on the characters

26:25

could kind of like stuck in as moon base

26:28

something amazing set off an alarm for there are trapped

26:30

in these little cones of lights

26:32

and then that i've heard of imprison them all separately

26:35

but then they realize when they bump into each

26:37

other the comes combine them and two people

26:39

stuck in one tone instead two separate towns

26:41

to for throughout trying you know not

26:43

to do that there's some you know oh

26:46

comedy evolved them all almost everyone

26:48

ended up in same coded by the so off by himself

26:50

and then they realize that in order to like

26:52

sorts of the wiring so they get it out the actually

26:55

all have to be in the same cone

26:57

and you know use other way together to do

26:59

it and is just such an obvious

27:02

representation of my duty to work as a team

27:04

you can't be individuals special

27:07

effects that works up to a point and then either

27:09

to this weird part with deserves at the end

27:11

which is sort of about rule following

27:14

and inflexibility and additive

27:17

the rear versus other

27:20

where's evaluating the worth of life

27:22

and it's just like who that

27:24

kid gears about this what run

27:26

it is not working like thought the robbers

27:28

like just don't understand what's going

27:30

on that point yeah what

27:32

he cares about this seem like a real

27:34

emergent question throughout the entire movie the

27:37

even if you somebody thinks the toy story for

27:39

know it really doesn't belong is normally in series

27:42

personally it it went long way for me because

27:44

of forty biggest assistant adorable character

27:46

and i still felt that that movie well up perfect had

27:48

the spirit of the toy story films this

27:50

one really departs in that spirit and if you kind of want

27:52

to encapsulate the charm of

27:54

the series in the first place in was made this twenty

27:57

seven year old now franchise be

27:59

enough important in multiple generations

28:01

including the know some little kids that were in that the

28:03

screening i was that you were obviously while they're

28:05

toy story characters and more well

28:08

is it it was about childhood you know had very common

28:10

in very simple theme running through all the movies

28:12

in that it was about childhood imagination

28:15

in the relationship of child to his toys

28:18

and the idea that that could be a reciprocal

28:20

relationship right this simple that

28:22

really rich and profound idea that got explored

28:24

in different ways through those for movies and

28:27

now the conceit of there being toy

28:29

universe or hate and they're being

28:31

a child toy relationship at heart of the movie is

28:33

gone and this is just supposed be

28:36

whatever to hurt movie inspired

28:38

the toy in first place it

28:40

seems like the series has really

28:42

lost it's way right i just feel like little

28:44

bit what should we make movie about a toxic

28:46

masculinity why not i

28:48

yeah you don't to all these all these struggles perfectly

28:51

legitimate things for a movie be

28:53

about at some point but why this movie

28:55

for this audience exactly exactly who

28:57

is that hypothetical child who's going to be really

29:00

concerned about personal eight years sort

29:02

of career vs family you

29:04

know struggles as he as he skips

29:06

through time i mean think that's all

29:08

i've got and i feel like i'm b like mean the way being unnecessarily

29:11

harsh because again if you're the parent parent little

29:13

kid there are far worse things you could do with

29:15

your sunday saturday afternoon then take your kid

29:17

to see this movie there's nothing objectionable

29:19

nothing it you know it's nicely done it's got some

29:21

sweet performances and characters

29:24

and yeah it's a fine kids movie i

29:26

think part of me just can't help but be

29:28

little sad that that's all pixar wanted

29:30

to be

29:31

well and i think people have been you know fairly

29:33

pointing out that over the last two

29:35

years mean disney has really been

29:37

i'm sort of downgrading most of the pixar

29:39

movies and sending them all direct a streaming with

29:41

all the disney movies end up at theaters and

29:44

uncles were really good movie is like turning

29:46

red most recently or soil

29:48

which end up you know why did one of the oscar and

29:50

this that this is the pixar movie that they choose to

29:52

go back to theaters with that it just

29:54

really feels like regressive

29:56

and a lot of hanky ways

29:59

you know that this the want get treated like a proper

30:01

movies where actually has so much less

30:03

going on than a lot of the ones that sensory

30:05

to streaming and this is the one that feels like he

30:08

this of this directive video movie back the

30:10

seasons in a vhs and dvd

30:12

think it would have seemed perfectly fine for that

30:14

it just doesn't really belong a movie theater

30:17

yeah it's a little bit one those those slightly

30:19

related spin off that might turned precisely

30:22

into it into straight to video in the old days

30:24

all right well let's say spit spit yet again and

30:26

milk out toy story six which is

30:28

essentially what the next iteration would have to be

30:30

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