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hello and welcome to slate spoiler specials

1:08

i'm sam adams a senior editor at slate

1:10

and today i'm joined by slates features editor jeffrey

1:12

glimmer love them jeffrey hi sam today

1:14

we are spoiling the movie orphan first kill

1:17

the prequel to two thousand and nine orphan

1:19

which is the story of a creepy adopted child

1:21

who spoiler turns out to be

1:23

a homicidal adult in orphan

1:26

first skill we learn how esther

1:28

made esther way from estonia from estonia u s courtesy

1:30

of a wealthy american family grieving the loss of

1:32

they're missing daughter but before we get

1:34

into that chef what did you think of orphan

1:36

first kill okay i have to admit i

1:39

absolutely loved this movie a it

1:41

was like this a master class in understanding the assignment

1:44

a part of the issue with orphan

1:46

first kill as you're already know that this

1:48

supposed to little girls an adult and i kept

1:50

wondering how it is it going to be

1:52

that a this movie has any kind of the

1:54

level of fun or mischief as the original

1:57

and a it comes up with a solution for that

1:59

that's

1:59

we perfect either what do you think sam

2:02

i like it okay i think the us

2:04

west which we will definitely be talking about shortly

2:08

even a genius what obviously as you mentioned

2:10

as really has or a problem going in that the thing

2:12

that made the first movie so much fun with

2:14

this completely bonkers revelation

2:16

about an hour into it is the premise

2:19

for this movie so it is hard to

2:21

live up to that level i think it sort of needed

2:24

a little more juice in a lot

2:26

of different places so it's of his beloved

2:28

the first movie and , looking to sort

2:30

of really have that high a little bit as a sort

2:32

of on of deceptive ah harm of the

2:34

methadone for something but as i don't think

2:36

of really measures up to the first i

2:38

actually was a little bit of the first

2:41

after watching the swan and it's axis a

2:43

somewhat tower movie until the twist in

2:45

which i remember seeing the seat or people does

2:47

actually screaming at the screen and

2:49

this one i think has a more contagious sense

2:52

of missteps and sort of i'm i'm

2:54

kind of weeding out the audience very hard throughout

2:56

the movie props to hard but and

2:58

you will see into the pot we can discuss them or later

3:00

yes artery start off in this movie

3:03

is basically based on based line

3:05

from the first movie where you find out that astor

3:07

who's adopted by this ah american

3:10

family came over from a

3:13

there are a mental hospital in estonia

3:15

i'm into this is sort of a story how that happens we

3:17

start off in a mental hospital

3:19

which the little more alike as or prison for

3:21

the criminally insane research center

3:24

alongside the us the

3:26

art therapy teacher who's

3:28

there with all these themes are nice liberal ideas

3:30

about how she's going to work with these

3:33

inmates and make life more pleasant and

3:35

immediately warned about

3:38

the most dangerous prisoner in the whole

3:40

facility basically the hannibal lecter

3:42

of the sunni and cylons

3:44

ah who is of this as i

3:47

guess thirty year old one and then known as

3:49

lena the teacher naturally fighters code strange

3:51

be salty sees his his are sweet little girl

3:53

setting and her desk drying rb

3:55

quickly find out why within a couple

3:58

minutes of the movie lena has fresh

4:00

a prison guard skull sort of a range

4:02

for another went to be murdered and then she

4:04

hit a home back to moscow with this

4:06

unsuspecting teacher who the she then beat to

4:09

death with the tire iron obvious

4:11

jeffers you think of as reintroduction to

4:13

as there

4:14

yeah i mean i think let it be said that

4:16

if you're going to be in a horror movie do not

4:18

be an art appreciation to turn a mental asylum

4:21

it's just like really setting yourself up for a bad faith

4:24

i'm i i thought it was a fun opening

4:26

sequence i mean you know a it's

4:28

such a horse equal thing or prequel in this case

4:30

to like set of the opening an insane asylum

4:32

with the monster from another movie just sitting

4:35

there all angelically but it was nevertheless

4:37

of fun and effective sequence i felt bad

4:39

for the poor are teacher a but

4:41

it's it is a it does his job and

4:43

then from there you sort of she

4:45

has like googled missing children it

4:47

seems that this woman's house after she you know

4:49

be as her to death i'm repeatedly i'm

4:52

and she has found that there's a woman who are

4:54

missing little girl who what kind of looks like

4:56

her for years ago a in

4:58

connecticut which connecticut believe is where the original

5:00

orphan is set so there's sort of leading up to that

5:03

and xi [unk]

5:05

the way the know like a park

5:07

until a cop comes over as in the middle of

5:09

the night is like what he doing your little girl and

5:12

she's a i don't know my name's esther this

5:14

little goes missing her name is esther

5:16

then we cut the united states where there's a family

5:19

it as a missing a little girl or so we think

5:21

for a while and dot

5:24

delightfully it turns out that a mother is played

5:26

by julia stiles of are many

5:28

nineties movies fame and she comes to

5:30

moscow to retrieve her daughter wishes

5:33

message assembly be grew up on as i did

5:35

in fairfield county i mean a very

5:37

precisely what does family in local

5:39

dairy and it's meant to signify but if you don't

5:42

we see as years older brothers need gunner

5:44

are introducing the middle of a sentence ornament

5:47

with the interpol some evil playing

5:49

so if you give it to that that whether

5:51

these are sort of lights evil

5:53

uptight last stand you're just

5:55

not need to put your phone down and watch little mercilessly

5:58

ever see that song on really the actively

6:00

conveys that this is a movie set like fifteen

6:02

years ago but you're from beauty like of

6:04

see we're not we're not quite now my favorite or that's

6:07

on how long time it's i'm sorry

6:09

get down on the as they were

6:11

introduced to the family been missing

6:14

their girl for four years

6:16

and and lisa the mother and

6:18

father who is serve an artist

6:20

to his not really been teaching for four years

6:22

because it is grief they seem very

6:24

pleased to relieve finally have a daughter back

6:27

brother got hers since a little more

6:29

put off diet we did

6:31

a person's this is just because maybe he didn't quite

6:33

by the thing is we're that his sister has

6:36

come back doesn't seem to remember anything had a russian

6:38

accent on had

6:40

suffered none of them are quite i'm

6:42

believing on this and or

6:44

doesn't seem like as are certain to pull off the ruse

6:46

very well at first but before we get into

6:48

that let's take that quick break

6:50

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okay and we're back so they were saying

7:30

as sir has come over from the cerny it seems

7:32

like she's come up with a pretty good ruse to worm

7:34

her way into this family but she almost immediately

7:37

starts making mistakes which

7:39

raised suspicions asked ft one tough matters

7:41

a little on the fly back on which is

7:43

to be set at one point during the slide see like

7:45

steals a pile of our ten sites like punching

7:47

up there are plans bathroom like

7:49

i i really can't overemphasize half on his

7:52

recess ah but on this plane

7:54

back to the united states he sort of forgets

7:56

sort post of is the didn't know that her grandmother

7:58

his dad his says i can we there and

8:01

julia stiles evil was platypus

8:03

moments is like mom i

8:05

like eatontown like eatontown something's not right and

8:08

then later and a therapist's office see

8:10

runs over and somehow i learned the parents

8:12

name and the therapist's office but it's

8:14

the wrong parrot apparently it's and the for you she

8:17

was gone parents have one hundred years this

8:19

one died and listen to parrot

8:21

as he calls a by the wrong name it's a different kind

8:23

of parents this comes up multiple times in the

8:25

movie like all because our parents

8:27

but not all parents are macaws or something like

8:29

that as of highness actually spoke and ah

8:32

and so a sort of becomes clear that this

8:34

is fucking up a little bit you

8:37

know to give a picture of the families are the father is

8:39

this like brooding artists type who really

8:41

hurt from the loss of his daughter the mom

8:44

is like a flat emphasis on kind who like

8:46

do now for reasons that will learn charlotte's

8:48

his last broke out about the death of her daughter and

8:51

then there's the sign right and so the

8:53

thing with lean amps is as she

8:55

really loves her father's of these

8:57

families that sort of her saying

9:00

so she starts to get like really aggressive herself

9:02

at the father while the mother and son kind

9:04

of look at her intellect more alien foreign

9:06

way and crv saves clearly

9:08

wants to bone hams is thirty one not you

9:10

know nine or whatever and ,

9:13

see it you know sort of response

9:16

or overtures positively of first if

9:18

not really understand exactly what his responding

9:20

to so that as i sort of the dynamic

9:22

of this movie that's what kind of what's

9:24

going on but there is

9:26

someone in particular who notices

9:29

that she's not exactly right

9:31

and that as a detective who investigated

9:33

the disappearance of a little girl originally

9:36

and , says kind of socking around the house and taking

9:38

pictures of public and stuff it's really it's

9:40

i don't know what it is that sets him off exactly

9:42

but stands of coming to their house

9:45

one night when the parents are

9:47

out out a sort of a

9:49

porn scene because the parents

9:51

i don't know there are some kind of fundraiser or something and

9:54

the sun has and the

9:57

and as to sort of reveals herself to him a little

9:59

bear two thousand dollars fuck off immediately in

10:01

front of his friends he , like openly

10:03

mean to her basically and you

10:05

started to get a little and a little more but

10:07

as detective shows up and he

10:10

says it's he steals a vinyl

10:12

record i believe it is the has her fingerprints

10:14

on has her suspects this is not as she says yes

10:16

unfortunately for the detective dislike

10:19

very small but very effective homicidal

10:21

maniac realizes what he's up to and

10:23

as sort of brings us to and very

10:25

pivotal turning point pivotal the movie

10:27

yeah semester follow some home on

10:30

and there's a little sequence where he's are making

10:32

a cocktail for himself with for some reason

10:34

extremely sharp knife as a shot of

10:36

him going back to his desk with at night disappeared

10:39

as her starts closing in on him and then

10:42

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the going to we're back so as third

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now has grabbed her tiny bit sharp

12:39

little nice it's closing in on the detective

12:42

just as he is running her fingerprints and discovering

12:45

that they do not match the ones belonging

12:47

to the missing little girl she's

12:49

setting but the stabbing blood

12:51

goes everywhere is down the floor

12:53

but he's not quite dead and then

12:56

that's what happens though

12:58

the julia stiles mom those

13:01

up out of nowhere and suits him

13:03

dead assists and

13:05

i it is sort of like this moment

13:07

of like was going on in this movie is as a joke

13:10

but then he , were really

13:12

hilarious sort of like fireside sat

13:14

in the skies apartments where do you

13:16

styles goes with a minute you're a grown ass woman

13:20

and are like is up for whatever reason astor

13:23

reason i selena decides to tell her it's the

13:25

entire story of why she's they're killing

13:27

this detective and detective see her daughter and

13:29

this woman was delivered sector because she

13:31

doesn't want him looking further into

13:33

further sadness is not their daughter because

13:37

she knows her daughter's dad's as the sun

13:39

til the daughter til don't exactly know what the sense

13:41

in sunday they were rough housing in some ways

13:43

and when ways little too far or something but

13:45

basically says dad and they

13:48

the mom us dancer in the bottom

13:50

of a while because he doesn't want her sons

13:52

had been i'll go to prison for daughter's

13:54

dad it is what it as and my dad

13:56

doesn't know anything about as because it as because sweet sensitive

13:58

artist sweet artist not clear it to me

14:00

whether the mom story about like old

14:02

gunner just always play rough with her and

14:05

then one day are he got to

14:07

ruff and she died of is meant to be sort

14:09

of on yet another cover story or

14:11

sort of her delusional version of what actually

14:13

happened like i it's that's just a little

14:16

fuzzy's for me but gunnar

14:18

kill dastard, has not been missing for

14:20

40 years she's presumably been at

14:22

the bottom of of the same well that the detectives

14:25

body gets dumped into esther

14:27

has not been fooling is family

14:30

she has been involved in three

14:32

conspiracy to cover up esther's desk

14:34

from one person in the family, who doesn't know about

14:36

it which is the dad and so now she enters into

14:38

a more formal agreement with the mom

14:41

and the brother to keep this

14:43

thing going for the

14:45

betterment of all or those of none

14:47

of them to so

14:51

surprisingly the

14:53

perfect little suburban, family turned out to be

14:55

just a bunch of to

14:58

with better breeding

15:00

and let the the assets

15:03

yeah let's let it be said that his his movies

15:05

like you know ah portrayal

15:07

of white has gone amok is not clear enough

15:09

the mother starts talking about how their family came around

15:11

the mayflower and her son's life matters

15:14

and they have to protect him and he is bloodline

15:16

is really important minutes to sites while

15:18

movie like you they really late onset but it's

15:21

like still you know the as has going to absolutely

15:24

destroy these people so it's see

15:26

become sort of almost the person you're rooting for

15:28

of have the hero of the movie yeah so we knew

15:31

that a twist was coming in this movie you're making

15:33

a sequel to a movie with probably

15:35

one of the most famous twisted

15:37

last fifteen years of

15:40

course is gonna be one did

15:42

you find were you surprised by this are you satisfied

15:44

how you feel about the jewish down

15:46

big bomb drop here they

15:49

said before i love that i did not expect

15:52

to i knew something was not right and

15:54

something was going to in a move as can be flipped

15:56

over at some point you could kind of sense

15:58

that it was i dancing around some kind of revelation

16:00

and i thought this was really fun arm and

16:02

it's also displeasure afraid to see to your sales

16:05

and of likes really diggers he's into like

16:07

a really dumb but fond role like this

16:09

sees sort of been a long suffering actresses

16:11

had a lot of like kind of city parts

16:13

and see really leans into the as and

16:15

i appreciate that i

16:18

agree with our i felt like especially

16:20

as you start playing out the string

16:22

on this character that we now find

16:25

out is is is like about of rounds

16:27

ah i wanted to get the

16:30

her claws into a little bit more a draw the

16:32

about her blood there was something like a little

16:34

weird least he did about this for mean it's one

16:36

of the things that makes the first word movie work

16:38

for me as that of your for me guy who plays

16:40

the mom and that movies given it's incredibly

16:43

like because really

16:45

good very kind of committed performance

16:47

at the she's more like you get it almost doesn't know what

16:49

movies and and apparently was kind as eat

16:52

up pissed off at the way they edited like she was taking

16:54

this character very seriously and likes

16:56

wrote some original song on the piano

16:59

that the mom as mr and for as through that the then cut

17:02

out of the movie it gets it is real kind

17:04

of operatic quality arms

17:06

this is much more knowingly camp

17:08

as i think going into

17:11

the movie with knowing who s or

17:13

is a kind of has to be as a julia stiles

17:15

is it maybe like a and eight or nine

17:17

and i kind of water and more like a tetanus

17:19

now that's fair i think guy you

17:22

know anyone watching a movie called orphan first

17:24

kill that of frequency were two thousand

17:26

and nine movie about a person with like from

17:28

on all imbalances is like thirty one and

17:31

pertain to be nine i don't know i think that people

17:33

understand what they're getting into and i think that's why responded

17:36

to this movie decide and

17:38

i'm a joke a little more but you're not wrong

17:40

about the original i really is quite i've

17:43

the a monument to a certain moment

17:45

an actor is taking a script really serious like

17:47

it when it's you could have easily gotten another direction

17:49

there's a moment in this of in one of the script

17:52

that the cabbie as moment of it which again goes back

17:54

to the original business very clear that

17:57

as there's lashley enough op wants

17:59

to they have sex with her

18:01

you know her dad in this movie of which

18:03

is technically okay

18:05

because she's in the thirties but obviously super

18:08

weird julia stiles actually comes

18:10

onto this and there's a scene at the end where

18:12

she's kind of confronts as their

18:14

about this is like are you know he does

18:16

never you realize he's never gonna

18:20

you're right omnes at her

18:22

at it was a good will now going to go upstairs and

18:25

suck my husband on

18:27

and that is that as that mother where i wish i could see this

18:30

in a theater because theater would have been screaming

18:32

at that and i didn't feel righteous doing it alone

18:34

in my living room let me

18:36

tell you i disease in a theater and

18:38

there was only one other person and thus either but she

18:40

definitely made it worthwhile see

18:42

was responding audibly i'm the

18:44

only other experience i had a theater was a guy looking

18:46

at my ticket and being like or from first kill dude

18:49

and i was like yap yap here

18:51

i am ah

18:54

most people yeah i

18:56

agree i agree i most people will watch this movie

18:58

on paramount plus a were streaming but

19:01

a if it's in a theater near you perhaps

19:03

you should give it a shot or do we were building up to our

19:05

final confrontation in this movie

19:08

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19:10

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times ah essar

19:52

and tricia and gunner

19:54

have been trying to work out this through a conspiracy

19:57

but of course it is not entirely

20:00

sustainable all these people are too kind of crazy

20:02

and self involved and homicidal

20:04

to really stick together for long

20:07

ah as as servants really serves

20:11

julia stiles a breakfast smoothie

20:14

with a poisoned rat in it and that

20:16

just kind of yeah something's

20:18

something's off on a bit of a pass at that

20:20

point i guess the poor rad as

20:22

like as his only friend in this house and

20:25

for some reason julia stiles eyes

20:27

to size is just as as isn't gonna work anymore

20:29

for her so see poisons

20:32

her food one i estrus food but

20:34

as her for some reason can tell her that happen and caesar

20:36

to the rat like kind of like a gladiator having

20:39

it's like breath is stacked enhance

20:41

their rad dies and esters really test about

20:43

their so that's how the right ends up in the smooth aches

20:45

and how you get ticked off into our climactic

20:48

battle okay so what happens next though

20:51

the dad has an art show somewhere

20:54

and he invites us to the com but the

20:56

mom's like now we have plans already nesters

20:58

like what plants but days and of staying

21:01

on the dad goes away and obvious

21:03

is times for julia stiles

21:05

to get a business and get rid of this

21:07

girl so ,

21:10

ah esther attempts to push them in front of

21:12

a train to the deadliest this

21:14

is not go well and then esters steals

21:17

per car car mom's

21:19

car caskets ah but as

21:21

quickly apprehended by the police who know that like

21:23

she's not in us is a little girl are

21:26

seemingly a little girl and they take her home

21:28

at the police has a hilarious interaction with to the styles

21:30

been like a scene therapy and

21:33

asked ah there on there house

21:36

the final night and the gloves are starting to com

21:38

os then things

21:40

, to get bloody and let it be said esters

21:42

faces covered in blood through to there's a this movie

21:45

including this entire climax do

21:47

i take us to that sam sure

21:50

so as these are of of the was

21:52

his people in the face of the planets are

21:55

the weapons start to come out in his final confrontation

21:57

gunner as their first kills

21:59

with the crossbow

22:02

and then his own sensing a pay

22:05

stabs him to death with that's and

22:07

then ah the house gets set

22:09

on fire on the

22:11

to reserve system each other

22:14

around and

22:16

up there are no politically

22:18

coherent reasons i'm

22:20

on the sort of classic lead the

22:22

desert an italian tiled roof of

22:25

this enormous house on their clamoring

22:28

about for each other like we're in the hunchback of notre bomb

22:30

or , i gotta and somehow

22:33

and this is all all

22:35

staging of this is very good like it's does this

22:37

is the sort of weird that and suddenly the two of them are both

22:39

hanging from the gutters as the husband

22:42

comes home because and called by the police

22:44

because of that the man's car being stolen a whoop a

22:46

why she called the cops on

22:49

the the missing

22:51

daughter who was missing anymore is actually like

22:53

a thirty year old the sony washy thought like involving

22:55

the cotton that just because she ran off with their cars

22:59

the really clear the dad comes home

23:01

the two of them are hang from the gutters on

23:04

he has an opportunity to say one of them and

23:06

he reaches for astros hand as

23:08

julia stiles false to her death and then

23:10

doesn't make sure to show you that not only does see

23:13

your body broken by the false but

23:15

there's a very ill laxative like splat

23:18

and like a kind of very needy

23:21

exodus from or had is it makes contact with

23:23

a sort of a like granite curbing

23:25

block on and

23:28

, finally you know after in the dad

23:30

are up on the roof of this house

23:33

that is going up in flames effort

23:35

take this moment because of let her dad

23:37

know that your she really kind of love

23:39

to them in a way that perhaps is more

23:42

than a you know young girl might love her

23:44

dad a the dad

23:46

looks a little bit confused and then confused and

23:49

a falls off the roof to and he

23:51

dies or right next door yeah

23:54

i think what's happening in that final scene

23:56

first of all they this deaths are so graphic

23:59

and lovingly because they like really

24:01

hammer home how awful these people are like

24:03

that before gunner dies he starts talking about

24:05

this is america people like me matter it's like

24:07

really lane at aunts and so when he's

24:09

dying you're sort of like yeah it's i sort of

24:11

six size hates same with a

24:14

mom who's ago real monster but

24:16

the dad at the and i think what's happening

24:18

is that as to reveals to him that is really

24:20

like an older woman right i see that takes her

24:22

teeth out i think she has like sake t to

24:24

make yourself look younger and he like react

24:27

badly he's like a monster to and the and he's

24:29

ago your freak or something like that and

24:31

so that when seen awesome awesome on i like well

24:34

i guess i'll have to go ah and the

24:37

i want to course we know i mean there's there's another movie

24:39

to come up as as we know none of these people could

24:41

possibly have survived or the jag

24:44

would have been up on before she

24:46

moved him here for me going peter sarsgaard me

24:48

as all ends about where about where and and

24:50

on but in a bit as sort of suitably

24:53

gory and gothic sasha

24:56

yes and then i think they're sort

24:58

of ultimate ending is

25:00

that we now the astros going to ended up

25:02

a local american adoption agency

25:05

yes and they basically do exactly

25:07

the ending from psycho where the psychiatrists

25:09

the psychiatrists about like how wonderful the

25:11

child is and who wouldn't want to a doctor and

25:13

and the camera zooms reading on her face as she has

25:15

is beautiful smile that drops

25:18

to a psychopathic scowl rifle

25:20

return to black yes i'm gonna be sad

25:23

isabel from it and who is the actress who plays

25:25

this character was actually only twelve

25:27

when they some of the original movie but like rarely leaned

25:29

into the role and now she what i mean

25:31

how old is she has gotta be she was twenty three

25:33

when they shot this i believe she looks pretty young they

25:35

chose a good actress she she has

25:38

quite a bit of fun with this i sort of suspect that there

25:40

will not be an orphan third kill

25:42

i'm and that is fine but i

25:44

really was just delighted by the return

25:47

of this movie and if you really like dumb

25:49

things like this i can't recommend it enough you can get

25:51

paramount plus free for a week and

25:53

a you would do worse than spending a saturday night with

25:55

a bottle of one in this movie i think it's a good

25:57

isabel firming performance in here apparently

26:00

that to sort of a counter this differ

26:02

a little bit online that apparently most of

26:04

the they did some d aging

26:06

for this arms but is

26:08

mostly sir been a make up and enforced

26:11

respected camera traps and a few body double the not

26:13

on the really expensive it off the often very

26:16

unsatisfying digital processor use sometimes

26:19

i'm she's a very good actress

26:21

i'm susan up totally

26:23

non horror movie called novice last year

26:25

that i was really get that you should check

26:27

, if you want to see or do something very different

26:30

does not relate of i just want to cram in

26:32

a complaints here because is bugging me the whole

26:34

time i watch the movie they make a big deal in

26:36

the movie including in the sort of opening credit

26:39

treatment that the father was the stricken

26:41

his paintings where he paints of them have a day glo

26:43

pizza they have an extra layer the only see

26:45

when you turn on the lights

26:47

on and it seems like we're setting out that up

26:49

in the movie does be some like big revelation

26:51

that the and as her first pentagon and to some big season

26:53

something crazy i'm from an innings and then

26:56

split never pays off at all

26:58

that the detective of uses for some reason

27:00

uses a black light flashes to go around the house

27:02

and finds her fingerprints on the

27:05

forty five records and that's

27:08

what the most a piece of and i was really looking forward

27:10

to some like go to the purple lion

27:12

and there's like ya the fires of hell

27:14

or demon faces or i love daddy or something

27:16

robin something we never get that i'm

27:19

so that that was my major disappointment hasn't

27:22

yeah my boyfriend said the exact same thing

27:25

and i think what it's trying to do and this

27:27

might be a little bit too deep fan service but isn't

27:29

it in the original or sense

27:31

that there's like a scene where they do reveal and says

27:33

like sprawling profanities on

27:35

the wall and the second movie or something and they're trying

27:38

to baby explain why it as a c does that

27:40

and that movie like that supposed to be the

27:42

pay off i can remember exactly what

27:44

it is right sort of assume that was happening

27:46

but to not do anything with it in this movie

27:49

was a little confusing i will concede

27:51

of it is expected my complained about this movie

27:53

that it wouldn't be batshit enough because i thought

27:56

that would beat her job one it could have been a little

27:58

nuttier but i would if european of the

28:00

first film i was a vfw

28:03

would recommend this one if you haven't seen the first home

28:05

i would say watch that instead of this and then

28:07

stuff we know what is my first even though we've now

28:09

ruin the surprise of the original movie for

28:11

you but i do it going in and i still enjoy the

28:14

hell out of it so it will not spoil the whole

28:16

thing for you agreed really does

28:18

make an evening of it doesn't his early ninety minutes

28:20

he's indecent do it will to i believe that

28:22

brings us to the end of our discussion

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