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don't yell at Marty, he's a sensitive soul.

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He's very sensitive. I can tell he's worried

1:00

because he's smeared jam on his forehead. No,

1:03

I've had dry skin. This is weird. It's

1:05

a thing. I don't know what's going on. And

1:07

it shows up

1:09

for some reason on this camera with this lighting

1:11

setup, it looks really bad. And

1:13

then on every other mirror in my house, it doesn't look bad. So I don't know what

1:15

is going on. I think I'm dying. I think I might

1:18

be dying. Yeah, sounds like it. Well,

1:21

before you die, let's get through this

1:23

week's podcast, which is on the subject

1:26

of can games really ever go back to their

1:28

roots? That's the rhetorical question

1:30

in the title. Anything

1:33

specific bring this up or is it just the sheer

1:36

legion of remakes and re-releases we've

1:38

seen being farted

1:39

out lately? Yeah,

1:41

and it was this kind

1:43

of marketing has been used for a lot of games

1:46

over what we're going to talk about it over

1:48

a very long time. But most recently, Assassin's

1:51

Creed Mirage was

1:55

heavily marketed as this is

1:57

going back to the series roots and everything

1:59

you love.

1:59

about Assassin's Creed and the Year of Our Lord 2007

2:02

will be found in this game and

2:05

you will pretend it was like the end of the Bush

2:07

administration. That's how much fun you'll have. Well

2:09

that we should give too much away because that's

2:11

my review that's coming out publicly this week. Yep.

2:14

Do you think it achieves that? No,

2:19

I think it stripped away a lot of the things

2:21

that have become a little cumbersome and a little

2:23

shaggy in modern Assassin's Creed but

2:26

I think it's when

2:29

people say going back to a

2:31

series Roots it's

2:33

kind of a term that doesn't mean anything

2:36

or it actually means so

2:38

many things to different people that

2:41

it doesn't mean a single one single

2:43

thing and so it's kind of meaningless

2:46

in an odd way. Well I

2:49

still think we're in a sort of very

2:51

reflective period in games right now

2:54

coming off the death

2:57

of the live service era where

2:59

everyone's just sort of figuring out where to go from

3:01

here and naturally

3:03

that's the result of a lot of introspective

3:06

games that are remakes of old

3:08

stuff and attempts

3:10

to bring back the old magic to

3:12

see what still sticks with audiences. I would

3:15

throw out Sonic Superstars as one of those

3:17

as well. Yeah, Sonic feels like

3:20

one of those series where every

3:22

other game that comes out it feels like this is

3:24

it. This is what you love from the Genesis.

3:26

This is Generations and Colors and Mania

3:29

and Superstars. This is Sonic going

3:31

back to its roots

3:33

and it

3:34

just never none

3:36

of them ever seem to be the game that gets

3:38

it right. Is that just because

3:43

we've moved on as a people that

3:47

at a certain point we're

3:49

all used to having a lot of sort of invisible

3:52

quality of life improvements that old

3:55

games didn't have. Now

3:58

tastes are different to how they used to be. I

4:01

think yeah, that's I think that's definitely

4:03

part of it I also think

4:05

that we've talked a lot about

4:07

nostalgia in the past and I'm someone who actually

4:10

really likes Thinking

4:12

about nostalgia and media that that

4:14

tackles nostalgia in an interesting way. Well,

4:16

we all like nostalgia Yeah,

4:19

I mean the style just the longing for our own,

4:21

you know personal I'm in place

4:23

that in our personal path natural part of the human

4:25

condition We all wish we were all young again

4:28

and had fully functional penises

4:31

But yeah, exactly and and no Gorbachev

4:34

marks on my forehead but

4:36

the problem when you look at art

4:38

is You're

4:41

not thinking about wanting the thing

4:43

to go back to what it was you're

4:45

thinking about wanting to go back and

4:48

feel the way you felt when you played that

4:50

thing and that is something that is Is

4:53

Possible to recapture but is much

4:55

harder than just saying well We're

4:57

just gonna give you the mechanics you had 15 20 30 years

5:00

ago And we're gonna put some music

5:02

you recognize and boom. There you go. You

5:04

got it um, it's sonic mania

5:07

was a success story because I

5:10

think I said before it successfully

5:13

Recreates the old 2d sonics in the way

5:15

you remember them not the way they actually

5:17

were Yeah,

5:19

yeah, like the movement feel the movement

5:22

is better than it was back

5:25

then But it feels like itself when you played

5:27

it as a kid The animation is

5:30

improved as like twice as many frames of the animation

5:32

but on a cursory look They just sort of

5:34

look the same as to how you remember him from the old

5:37

Yeah It's

5:42

Yeah, and in but also

5:44

the problem is like when you say you're gonna go back

5:46

to your roots for something What

5:48

does that actually mean? So I've been playing a

5:50

lot of the silent hoe games I started the room last

5:52

night silent Hill for colon the room.

5:55

I'll be interested to hear your perspective. It's

5:58

All through so many holes that game. Three

6:00

hours of just hole crawling. Yeah we

6:02

like falling through holes but it certainly

6:05

split the fan base, that

6:08

one. It is and so

6:10

if a new Silent Hill game were to come out and

6:12

said this game is going

6:14

back to its roots and I'm not talking about like the remake

6:16

of 2 or something. So

6:19

they came out and a game was called Silent Hill 5 and they

6:21

said it's going back to its roots. What would that

6:23

mean to you if you've just read that? Like

6:25

what are the roots of Silent Hill? Well

6:28

I suppose if they'd said

6:30

that I would be expecting a pseudo

6:33

open worldy low

6:36

key explorative survival horror like what the very

6:38

first Silent Hill was.

6:40

Would you expect it to have PS1 era

6:42

visuals or would you expect it to

6:44

have a modern look to it? Would you

6:47

expect the camera to be fixed or would you expect

6:49

to have sort of the modern design sensibilities

6:52

of being able to have full

6:54

control over what you see? Feel like I'm being cornered

6:56

at a political press conference by a savvy No

6:58

I'm not. I'm just saying that there's like so

7:00

many different elements to where if I ask you and

7:03

if I ask me and if I ask anyone else I'll

7:06

feel like people would have different definitions

7:08

for like you I think your thing very broadly

7:10

is true but some people might be like

7:12

well we gotta we gotta do the story of the cult and

7:15

then other people would be like no no no we have to do what Silent Hill 2

7:17

did and you have to just exercise everything

7:19

else and cut it and trim it and

7:22

it should be about one person's

7:25

emotional trauma that they're working

7:28

through in Silent Hill. Well that's what every bloody Silent

7:30

Hill game was when they

7:32

were being developed by the West. They were all trying

7:34

to recapture that Silent Hill 2 magic where

7:36

you're a dude and you've got a dark secret

7:38

or something. Yeah yeah you were a prisoner

7:41

you're a truck driver and

7:43

so it's kind of one of those like what

7:46

does that even mean like who

7:48

it's it's when a series

7:50

is talking about we're gonna give it to you

7:53

like it was at the beginning it's like well there

7:55

was it was a lot of different things and a lot of it changed

7:57

and evolved because certain design things were

8:00

Well, I suppose in the

8:02

context of a modern

8:05

game designer promising to do that...

8:10

Yes, my headphones are plugged into nothing, not as ever. Thank you

8:12

for noticing after all this time. It's because they're Bluetooth,

8:15

and this is just the charging cord, and

8:17

I can't be asked having to look for it every time I

8:19

need to charge the headphones, so I just keep them

8:21

in. Is that okay with you? Yeah,

8:24

you really got derailed by that.

8:28

It was just the way he suddenly exclaimed

8:30

it. It felt like he thought he was making

8:33

some kind of gotcha.

8:36

Anyway, I

8:37

guess if when

8:40

I hear someone talk about going back to their roots, I

8:44

expect something along the lines of Assassin's Creed

8:46

Mirage. They're going to go back to

8:48

what was fundamentally fun about the original formula

8:51

and strip back all the features, which Assassin's Creed

8:53

does on a fairly regular basis. Because

8:58

it has this nasty habit of trying to innovate

9:00

just by adding more weapons and attacks and gadgets,

9:03

most of which just serve

9:05

to make the game easier. It

9:09

feels like a lot of series get into that cycle

9:13

of they keep

9:16

adding and piling on new features

9:18

and mechanics and everything, and then at a certain

9:20

point it becomes cumbersome, and they're like, we gotta

9:22

shed this weight. And then it circles back around, and

9:25

it's like the cycle never ends. We've

9:27

seen this with Call of Duty, we've seen this

9:29

with... Well,

9:32

it's a natural process. The first

9:34

wave of innovation is just like adding more

9:36

to the formula, and the second wave

9:38

of innovation is streamlining it. That's

9:41

why Boomer Shooters had a

9:46

second wind in recent times, because

9:49

the standard for

9:51

shooters had become a little bit too

9:53

complicated with all

9:55

kinds of this extra bollocks. People

9:58

wanted to return to the simple pleasure of the game. of the core

10:00

gameplay loop. I

10:03

think. That's

10:06

yeah. And do you think Boomer Shooters succeed

10:08

in that? Like, do you think Boomer Shooters succeed

10:11

in going back to the roots better

10:13

than franchises that try to go back to their

10:15

own roots? Like, does it almost take an outside

10:18

perspective in order to examine

10:21

and sort of really hit? I think there's a lot of modern

10:25

retro style Boomer Shooters that do successfully

10:27

streamline back to like the core

10:30

formula. And then like, Dusk

10:35

did that very well. Okay, yeah. But

10:37

at the same time, when they do

10:40

that, you also have to elevate

10:42

the old material. Sonic

10:44

Mania did that, Shovel Knight did that, where

10:47

you take like the old formula,

10:50

but you also take some of the lessons you've learned

10:52

in the intervening years to, as

10:54

we say, sort of make

10:56

us feel like we're playing it for how

10:58

we felt the first time we played it. Even

11:03

though it might not quite be how we remembered

11:05

it, if we actually get back to play the actual originals.

11:09

Yeah. Tunic is

11:11

another example in Shovel Knight of these

11:14

outsider perspectives who clearly like,

11:17

they're coming from a place of experience because those

11:19

developers grew up on those games. And

11:22

so they are making, it's not

11:24

like a monolithic Ubisoft thing,

11:26

we're gonna try to reclaim the magic

11:28

of 13 years ago, or an Activision

11:30

thing, we're gonna try to simplify Call of Duty

11:33

and we're gonna bring it back to boots on the

11:35

ground. But it is individuals,

11:37

especially in the indie space who grew up playing those games

11:39

and were influenced by them and wanted to go

11:41

into development because of those games, who

11:44

feel like they have a better grasp on the

11:47

exact things from those original

11:49

games that made them so

11:51

special. Like in Tunic's case, the exact

11:53

things in the original Zelda that

11:55

made it so special, that sense of discovery.

12:01

There's more of a whole subverse to an

12:03

indie developer saying, I'm going to make

12:05

this thing that's

12:08

influenced by something I was passionate about back in the

12:10

day, compared to when a AAA

12:12

developer, publisher, talks about going

12:15

back to the roots, because when they say it, there's an element

12:17

of cynicism to it. Especially in

12:19

the case of Assassin's Creed, because

12:21

it's no secret that it's been trundling along for

12:24

so long, with so many different instalments, and

12:27

that basically saying

12:30

you bring out a new one is kind of meaningless

12:32

at this point, and saying that

12:34

we're going back to the roots is the sort of admission that they don't

12:36

really know what they're doing at this point. We're

12:39

going to go

12:42

back to where we knew the formula worked, and see if we could

12:44

figure out where the rots started setting in. Yeah,

12:49

and it's also confusing with a series like, I

12:52

just keep going back to Assassin's Creed because it's a modern example,

12:54

but one where Assassin's Creed

12:56

was so influential, not

12:59

only obviously in its own franchise, but

13:01

in other Ubisoft franchises, and in just

13:03

open world games in general, in the

13:06

way we traversed cities in

13:08

open world games, in the way combat

13:11

would work in something like an Arkham, and

13:13

then now to Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2. And

13:16

so you can go

13:18

back to the original roots, but

13:20

you also have to take into account that those roots

13:23

have spread into other trees

13:25

that have grown, and we have

13:27

knowledge of those other trees, and so

13:29

trying to go back and, like you said, kind

13:31

of find that original sin without

13:34

original rot. I don't think you said original sin. I think

13:36

I'm starting to get my gardening

13:39

metaphors. I was trying to keep the religious themes

13:41

out of it. Yeah,

13:43

hey for Assassin's Creed it's fine to bring those in. You've

13:47

reminded me of something I said about Amnesia

13:50

Rebirth. Amnesia Dark

13:52

Descent was a hugely influential horror game that

13:54

has sort of... that has served as

13:56

the root of a whole bunch of new

13:59

and interesting genres. as a video game horror,

14:01

like the first person horror star, Five Nights at Freddy's,

14:03

Alien Isolation, it's all sort of rooted from there.

14:06

But Amnesia itself, with Amnesia

14:08

Rebirth, felt like it hadn't really moved on from it

14:10

at all. It

14:14

wasn't really trying to go back to the roots, technically, but it sort

14:17

of had never really moved on from the roots. Yeah.

14:21

Yeah, and the... It

14:24

was so... like, you think it was the... But

14:27

I guess Amnesia's a weird series, because different...

14:30

so many different games in that series were handled

14:33

by different developers, right? Yeah,

14:35

the first one was... the

14:38

first one was Frictional Games, and then

14:40

the Chinese Room did Machine for Pigs, which was Frictional

14:42

again with the next two. With...

14:45

oh, Frictional did Rebirth and... The

14:48

Bunker, yeah. Okay, yeah. And before Amnesia,

14:50

they did the... like, the Penumbra series,

14:52

which was definitely building up to Amnesia

14:55

and was similar in the theme. And did

14:57

they also do Soma? Was that Frictional

14:59

as well? Yes. I always forget that one.

15:02

That one's neat. And it's probably one of

15:04

my favorite ones of Frictional Games, and

15:06

yet, when I'm listing Amnesia games, I keep forgetting

15:09

about it. Yeah, I guess it just doesn't

15:11

have the... the... the Franchization,

15:14

which is a good thing, but it can feel like a singular

15:16

story. Well, it feels different because

15:18

what I liked about it was the... like, the hard sci-fi

15:21

themes and the horror part I

15:24

could have... I could have done without. I felt like the

15:26

monster chasing in Soma felt unnecessary

15:28

and sort of got in the way of what I liked about it. Yeah,

15:31

to the point where they even, I think, very

15:33

quickly added a mode that was like, we'll

15:36

strip away the monster and you could just enjoy

15:38

the story and the atmosphere and... So I like to

15:40

think I did my part to convince them that would

15:43

have been a good idea. You did. You did,

15:45

exactly. Um,

15:47

but yeah,

15:48

I don't know. Like, is it a

15:50

single... Like, a developer gets too lost

15:52

in the sauce to be able to see... Like,

15:55

maybe they're too close to the source material to be

15:57

able to truly go back to the roots from

15:59

an... like an objective standpoint. Yeah, as

16:02

I say, it's also a risky move to make because it's

16:04

an admission that you've kind of written yourself

16:06

into a corner or don't know what to do next. Well

16:09

going off what else we've got on the thumbnail there, I

16:11

noticed we've got Resident Evil 4 Remake. Yeah,

16:14

and that's kind of the Resident Evil, for the Resident Evil series as a

16:16

whole, which has done this many times

16:19

in many different ways. I'm not sure what the plan

16:21

it is in Resident Evil Town, because

16:24

I don't really know where we're going

16:26

from here. It's like the remake series

16:29

has just been a holding pattern. Yeah,

16:33

and it felt like it was a three game holding

16:35

pattern. It felt like it made sense, you're going

16:37

to do two, three, and four. And then what

16:39

happens? So now you have these

16:41

two parallel lines where you have seven and

16:44

eight and presumably a nine, which

16:46

will probably expand on eight, so we'll

16:48

feel more like four. Even

16:51

with Village, people are like, it's going back to its roots.

16:54

Not its original roots. Then it went back to its first roots,

16:57

and then eight went back to its later

16:59

roots, which changed the roots. Eight went

17:01

back to the Resident Evil 4 roots, and

17:03

it also went back to the more general

17:05

roots of bringing

17:07

the Umbrella Corporation into absolutely bloody

17:10

everything. Yeah, and

17:12

again, with Resident Evil like Silent Hill, if

17:15

you ask someone, what is the core tenet

17:17

of the series if you're going to go back to its roots? Would

17:20

people say you need to be in a spooky mansion? Would

17:22

people say you have to have zombies? Would people say

17:24

it has to be six camera? Do you render

17:26

backgrounds? Does it have to be about

17:28

Umbrella? Can it just be new characters? Well,

17:31

before you all

17:33

started getting introspective and analytical about

17:36

what the phrase going back to the roots means, I would

17:38

have said that Resident Evil 7 felt

17:40

like going back to the roots because

17:43

it was just a dude trapped

17:45

in a haunted house. I would say that

17:47

is arguably one of the best examples of a game

17:49

doing that, and that is definitely an example of

17:51

a series that hit a point where it was

17:53

like, we don't know what we are anymore. We've gotten too

17:55

big and shaggy and people have lost

17:57

interest. So we're going to hit this button.

18:00

And we're going to rewind time and we're going

18:03

to roll it back and do it again. It's funny,

18:05

it's kind of the second time they did

18:07

that because it almost felt like first

18:09

remake was them doing that of

18:11

Singles. Okay, two and three in Code Veronica

18:14

have gotten a little out of hand. So

18:16

let's pump the brakes and sort of go

18:18

back to the Spencer Mansion and fulfill our original

18:21

vision. And to the last week, then Resident Evil 4,

18:23

which was increased

18:26

in scope, but it was more

18:28

concentrated from a story perspective. Yeah,

18:31

yeah. It's just saved the president's daughter from

18:33

the evil cult.

18:34

Yeah.

18:36

But yeah, Resident Evil 7 definitely,

18:38

you know, the

18:40

family's house feels like the Spencer Mansion.

18:43

It's claustrophobic. It goes back to, you know,

18:46

the survival horror of having limited ammo

18:49

and and puzzles and stuff like

18:51

being chased. And as for the remakes,

18:53

I think what we learned from the RE4 make was

18:56

that you can recapture

18:59

a game, but you can't

19:01

recapture the impact it had at the time.

19:05

Yeah. Which

19:07

is kind of impossible, right? Because that impact, that

19:10

was like a one time bomb. Yeah.

19:13

Quite. So now the RE4 make just feels like

19:16

more Resident Evil to put this tack on to

19:18

the end of RE2 and RE3 make, which

19:21

is a little disappointing compared to the huge

19:24

impact Resident Evil 4 had. Yeah.

19:28

And I feel like we get that with

19:31

a lot of times with sequels to

19:33

like, Tears of the Kingdom.

19:37

Another thing from the thumbnail. Let's go through it

19:39

all. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And

19:42

again, that was just more of like, you know, something for Zelda

19:44

as a whole, which Breath of the Wild,

19:47

one of the things they said with their mission statement was

19:49

they wanted to go back to that feeling

19:51

of exploration from the original Legend of Zelda.

19:53

Yeah. And they did it in a very different way. When

19:56

you talk about going back to your roots, you either just

19:58

like remake an old thing. Or

20:00

you just actually go back

20:03

to the fundamentals

20:05

of the way the game is designed. And that's what the

20:07

world did. It was going back to basically

20:10

like the very first Zelda games and the design

20:12

principles that went into that. Go wherever you want

20:15

and sort things out at your

20:17

own leisure. Yeah,

20:20

yeah. And then, you know,

20:22

Tears of the Kingdom comes along and kind

20:24

of just does... Like I love Tears of the Kingdom,

20:26

it's my favorite game of the year. But it does a lot

20:28

of... more of the same while introducing some

20:31

big new ideas, but doesn't feel as

20:36

like they didn't reinvent the wheel in

20:38

the same way that Breath of the Wild did. And so

20:40

I feel like Resident

20:42

Evil Remake is unable

20:45

to recapture that momentous

20:47

moment of Resident Evil 4. Tears of the

20:49

Kingdom feels like in

20:51

no way, shape or form could it have recaptured

20:54

that feeling of what Breath of the Wild did to reinvent

20:57

the series.

21:00

Looking at the thumbnail still, am I right in thinking

21:03

that that weird shadowy figure trying

21:05

to hide behind a logo there is

21:08

a Final Fantasy XVI reference? It

21:11

is a Final Fantasy XVI reference. Like you...

21:14

Look, this is like your own little Guess

21:17

the Games with the thumbnails. Well,

21:20

I was a little thrown by the sword. I

21:22

thought it might have been Final Fantasy VII Remake, but now

21:24

that you've confirmed, yes. Because

21:27

that's another good example of a game that you could

21:29

certainly imagine would have said we

21:31

are taking Final Fantasy back to its roots.

21:35

Yeah, which is another franchise

21:37

that... What the hell does that mean? Yeah.

21:40

Truly, what the hell does Final Fantasy VII mean? Well, I guess in this case it means

21:42

we're going back to sort

21:44

of Western-style Tolkien-esque

21:47

fantasy in medieval castles

21:49

and freaking dragons and shit. But

21:52

also we're adding a whole lot of Game of Thrones

21:55

stuff. Yeah. Because that's

21:57

what's popular, I guess. And

22:00

it's funny because this isn't the first

22:02

time the series has done that, right? Final

22:04

Fantasy IX was like, all right, we get

22:06

it. Final Fantasy VII and VIII, that was sci-fi,

22:09

that was a lot of emo boys. We're gonna

22:11

pump the brakes and we're gonna go back to swords

22:13

and castles and crystals and princesses.

22:15

Well, it was almost evoking

22:18

not quite

22:20

the same kind of fantasy as the first

22:22

Final Fantasy IX felt a bit more... Ooh.

22:26

Would you know what I meant if I said Brian

22:28

Frowdy? No,

22:31

that's a... Okay, never mind. Dark

22:33

Crystal-y, Labyrinth-y. I love

22:36

Dark Crystal, yes. That sort of... There

22:38

you go. That ugly Jim Henson-style

22:40

fantasy of from the early

22:43

to mid-90s. Yeah, which

22:46

I kind of love. I thought that

22:48

was cool. Like enough games pull

22:53

from that as kind of a source material. So

22:55

that particular aesthetic. Yeah,

22:58

yeah. Who was the guy you mentioned? Was

23:00

that just like a fantasy author? Brian Frowdy,

23:02

he was like a fantasy

23:04

artist who specialized in sort of goblin looks. I

23:06

think he did some of the art designed for Labyrinth.

23:09

Oh, perfect.

23:11

Hang on. I love that. Big fan goblins. So,

23:14

anyone who's trying to throw goblin balls

23:17

my way. Yeah, if you search for Brian Frowdy

23:19

on Google Image Search, you'll see a lot of shit

23:22

that looks like it belongs in

23:24

the Dark Crystal.

23:26

There you go.

23:28

Ooh, yeah, I like that. That's good

23:30

stuff. Brian Frowdy. Look at that. Shout

23:32

out to Brian Frowdy. If you're in the chat,

23:34

Brian, thanks for doing great work. Is he even

23:37

still alive? I don't know. I

23:39

like to shout people out just on the... There's like a one in a billion

23:42

chance they are in chat and sometime

23:44

will happen and it'll be really great. It'll

23:46

be like 200 or so people watching

23:48

this. Brian Frowdy will

23:50

somehow be among them. Yeah. There

23:53

was an interesting

23:56

fun fact over the weekend and it's with Super

23:58

Mario Wonder, which you have an... had a chance to play. I played

24:02

a ton of this weekend and it is very

24:04

much, it is pulling from

24:07

the roots. It feels like it's pulling

24:09

so many ideas from Mario 2, Mario 3, Mario World

24:13

in a way that none of the 2D games

24:15

since have done. But a really

24:17

interesting thing about Mario Wonder is it has obviously

24:21

a massive group of people worked on it. The

24:23

original Super Mario Brothers in 1985, five

24:25

people worked on it. Of those five people,

24:28

four of them worked on Mario

24:31

Wonder. So we have never

24:33

given them the game. I am not sure what that counts for, if that counts

24:35

for much. I am just saying that so

24:38

rarely in these instances of going back, I

24:40

would be curious if a literal

24:43

single person who worked on Assassin's Creed 1, worked

24:46

on Assassin's Creed Mirage, let

24:49

alone 80%

24:52

of the people who had their thumbprint on the

24:54

original Super Mario Brothers are also

24:56

still at Nintendo and worked on Mario Wonder.

24:58

So there is a sort

25:01

of like an internal knowledge

25:04

there in history that

25:06

is lacking from a lot of... There

25:08

is not a lot of crossover in

25:10

the skills needed to make a modern style game and

25:13

the skills needed to make an NES game. No,

25:16

but at the very least you have people

25:19

who have institutional

25:22

knowledge. You can go over

25:24

to a person who worked on the thing you were

25:26

trying to replicate from 30 years ago and talk

25:28

to them. And I do not know if that is the case

25:30

with Resident Evil 7 to Resident

25:33

Evil 1 or... Well, this is the problem with...

25:35

I do not know, like, in 2016 the

25:37

original Doom. Well, this is the problem I have often

25:39

complained about is how games do not really

25:41

have any face

25:43

behind them. We do not really have

25:46

names like we did back in the day, like when

25:49

American McGee used to stick his

25:51

name on everything. Yeah, no. No

25:53

one is really taking responsibility. We

25:56

just look at who the developer was

25:58

and the actual specific development team. could be

26:00

something vastly different and that's why so many

26:05

game franchises just bring out sequels that feel vastly

26:07

different. Yeah. It's

26:09

been the case for a while that was always the case with Team

26:11

Silent as well with the first four Silent Hill games. You

26:14

might have noticed there's a bit of a shifted

26:16

tone going from game to game. Yeah

26:19

there's different because I mean some of that team went

26:21

on to form the Siren team right

26:23

and went on to make Siren. Yeah I think

26:25

that the team

26:29

that had the most members in common with the team for Silent

26:31

Hill 2 was Silent Hill 4 which

26:34

makes sense to me. Yeah.

26:38

I mean Silent Hill 3 feels

26:41

a little overstated atmospherically

26:43

and Silent Hill 4 feels close to Silent Hill 2 on

26:45

that sort of level. Yeah

26:47

yeah I would say closer and like the games

26:50

poll references like this is the

26:52

serial killer that you keep referencing and 4 is

26:54

the serial killer that you that directly

26:56

referenced in 2 right? So yeah that's literally

26:59

they just pulled out that one throw away thing for

27:01

Silent Hill 2 and decided to make a game out

27:03

of it. Yeah. Which is

27:05

fun. And also one

27:08

of those it's not necessary to have known

27:10

the lore but if you have you're like oh

27:12

I gotcha I'm picking up this name. Also there's

27:14

a major NPC in Silent Hill 4 who's James Sunderland's

27:17

dad. Really?

27:20

Have you gone that far? Have I met him yet? I don't

27:22

know have you? I'm like three hours from the game. Like the

27:25

the superintendent of the apartment building

27:27

Get the fuck out of there. Really? I keep seeing up through

27:29

a people. Yeah his name is like trying to get

27:31

me to pay rent but I live in a pocket dimension and

27:33

I can't. His name is Frank Sunderland and

27:36

there are certain moments where if you look at

27:38

like some of the things around your apartment Henry's

27:41

eternal monologue will say I remember the supervisor

27:43

saying that his son went missing in Silent

27:45

Hill a while back. Oh I like

27:48

it. I like it. Silent Hill you've done

27:50

it again.

27:53

He actually looks quite a bit like James Sunderland

27:55

if you if you look at his face. I

27:58

kept wondering if he was that. serial

28:00

killer so far but I don't think he is a serial

28:02

killer and every time I look out the window there's more handprints

28:05

because people keep dying on me and I like

28:07

how when you crawl through the holes you go to a world

28:09

that it's like water world, forest

28:11

world,

28:12

pipe world.

28:13

Yeah, forest, forest and water world is basically like Sonic

28:15

the Hedgehog in that respect. Exactly,

28:18

exactly. When any of those things hit

28:20

me, man I got to my first thing that spooked me in that game which

28:22

is one of those like bulbous like two-headed

28:25

kind of monsters, big

28:27

chunk guys and I encountered them, ooh, gimme

28:30

the spookies. I remember one time like

28:33

over like four playthroughs of Silent

28:35

Hill 4 I looked out the window at one

28:38

point and a head fell past the window

28:40

and it scared the absolute shit out of me. I

28:42

was terrified looking out the window for the entire

28:45

rest of the time. Oh in the game, not in

28:47

real life. Yeah, Silent Hill 4. I

28:50

keep waiting for jump scares every time

28:52

I look out my window or every time I look in the peephole.

28:55

I'm like they're gonna jump scare me, I know they're gonna jump

28:57

scare me. But yes, to get

28:59

things back on topic, Silent Hill 4 was actually

29:02

a continued experimentation with Silent Hill formula. It

29:04

doesn't feel much like Silent Hill 1 or 2 but

29:06

it's undeniably a Silent Hill

29:08

game. It's very much got those vibes. The

29:12

problem with the subsequent Western ones

29:14

is that they all felt like they'd all gotten

29:16

into the series because they liked Silent Hill 2 so much and

29:18

that's what they thought Silent Hill was. It's

29:20

the dude being confronted with guilt for his past

29:23

sins.

29:24

Yeah.

29:25

Yeah, instead of coming at it with

29:28

an original take on the spirit of

29:30

the series, they just tried to emulate

29:33

and replicate the one that meant

29:35

the most to them. George Lucas in the church has said perhaps

29:37

we can get Silent Hill 4 The Room remake if Silent Hill 2 remake

29:40

is big hit. I would, controversially,

29:43

I would be absolutely behind the Silent Hill 4 remake

29:46

because it's got so many good ideas but it's got such

29:49

critically bad gameplay decisions. Yeah.

29:52

Yeah. However,

29:56

it does have the one really, like so far the item box

29:58

thing, I'm like why are we doing this? that really

30:00

cool puzzle where you have to dig up the key and

30:02

the riddle says like you'll be stuck in the loop yeah

30:05

and then you have to take the key back home put it in the box

30:08

go to the new place take the key out of the box and

30:10

then you can use it yeah it's cool it's

30:12

just the fucking unstackable ammo and

30:15

ghosts that harass

30:17

you that you can't kill i've just been

30:19

running away from the ghosts because i'm like i can't deal with you guys well

30:22

that's the annoying thing you're supposed to be able to like systematically

30:25

examine the environment and look for all the hidden

30:27

things to pick up and puzzle solutions that

30:29

you don't want to be getting chased

30:31

away from everything by ghosts all the time yeah

30:36

and what if i'm out to remake is good

30:38

what if it won't be what

30:41

if it won't be live in a world where it's

30:43

possible it could be good well we don't

30:45

because it's a world where it's being developed by blubber

30:47

team so it works what if they

30:49

learned you know what even even bad developers

30:51

can nope give me

30:55

an example i don't have i don't

30:57

have one i'm gonna be honest by uh

30:59

my unlimited optimism

31:02

couldn't even give me an example

31:05

of a developer that learned from their mistakes and went

31:07

from making a notoriously bad game to making

31:09

a really good one

31:12

i mean we have like the game success stories

31:14

like the turnarounds of uh um

31:17

you know of no man sky and a final

31:19

fantasy 14 and a rainbow seige

31:21

and warframe but those aren't those

31:24

don't really count i don't they don't even count for my argument

31:28

you know there probably are examples i'm

31:31

i was my memory is sort of clawing for

31:33

a couple i

31:36

mean there's those games that those like live service games

31:38

that fixed over time there

31:40

was do you remember the original bombshell

31:43

game there was like a isometric

31:45

shooter no well

31:47

it was absolute ass terrible

31:50

huge pilot here but then i think

31:53

it was the same developers went on to make ion

31:56

fury which was actually really

31:58

good with

32:00

the same IP.

32:04

Oh.

32:05

Yeah, and they co-developed

32:09

Ghost Runner? Yeah,

32:12

that's what I was... That's why

32:14

I was remembering who was groping for it. I remember playing a game that

32:16

I really liked, and I looked at the developer and

32:19

they'd made, like, the original Bombshell, which

32:21

was crap. Yeah. That's

32:23

what I was remembering. Ghost Runner is actually really good.

32:26

And we've got the review code for the sequel, but I'm

32:28

not sure we're going to have time to play it, because I'm playing Spider-Man 2

32:30

all week. I believe the embargo's

32:33

already up, and I don't know if Casey's review

32:35

is up, but he really liked it. So apparently the game's really

32:37

good. Yeah, but was it just good

32:39

because it was just more of the first game, which was good,

32:42

or did he actually approve things? The

32:44

boss fights in Ghost Runner were awful. Casey

32:46

really liked the boss fights in 2. Oh, really?

32:49

I thought they should give it some time.

32:52

Give it a little whirl. Yeah, give it a little runzies. You'll

32:54

be out at 2 p.m. CT. Oh,

32:56

you spoiled it, Nick. Now everyone knows

32:58

that Casey liked it. Oh, shit.

33:01

Sorry. We don't know. Maybe I lied. Maybe

33:04

I misinferred from reading. Yes,

33:06

maybe you're just playing the long

33:08

game, just messing with our heads. Exactly,

33:11

exactly. Like a Silent Hill 4, a

33:14

spooky status effect.

33:17

Well... What would you say is

33:20

the most successful? Do you think Doom 2016

33:22

was a successful foray

33:25

into going back to the roots? Yes, but as

33:27

I said at the time, it's not really going back to the roots. It

33:29

doesn't really play that much like the original

33:32

Doom's. It plays a little bit like Quake,

33:35

because Quake let you blow the shit out of things and

33:37

had a lot of verticality to it. Yeah.

33:41

Not so much the original Doom's, besides

33:45

visual themes and all that. So

33:48

I'd say that was a successful new

33:50

game that

33:53

took the philosophy of going... of stripping

33:55

down the shooter formula until

33:57

it was just focusing on the primary gameplay loop of... the

34:00

baddies.

34:02

In like defiance of the sort of

34:04

live service tradition where

34:07

suddenly you might not have to

34:09

shoot everything. Maybe you have to make friends with

34:11

some of the things that you can shoot. Like

34:14

in Deus Ex and the like. Yeah.

34:17

But I'm sure there were still probably some people who were like,

34:19

well, if it's not 2D, it's not

34:21

Doom. Or if it's not, you know, like... Two

34:24

and a half D, yeah. Two and a half D, then

34:26

it's not Doom. So

34:28

you get to, yeah, roots. Like anything

34:30

in life, roots seem to be even subjective.

34:32

I noticed we've got Mortal Kombat 1 on the thumbnail

34:35

there. Yeah, I had that because that

34:37

was a... going

34:39

back to your roots in a like literal narrative

34:42

way. Well, that's a series that's never fucking

34:44

left its roots. Yeah,

34:46

yeah, it's like too afraid to travel. It doesn't

34:49

want to live too far away from home. It's

34:51

like, oh, we rebooted the canon. Oh,

34:53

it didn't take. Oh, we rebooted the canon. Oh,

35:01

I didn't take again. Oh, I didn't take literally within

35:03

the same game in which we rebooted the canon. What

35:06

a mess. Mortal Kombat, what

35:08

are you doing? I know. I don't know. They keep selling

35:10

though,

35:11

so

35:13

they keep selling. I don't think they're gonna

35:16

stop. Everyone wants to be the first one to put... Just the next game, Mortal

35:18

Kombat 2? Everyone

35:20

wants to be the first person to put

35:22

out a YouTube compilation of all the fatalities. And

35:26

no, the next game is not going to be Mortal Kombat 2. That

35:28

is never how it's worked. There

35:30

is no case of a game titling itself

35:33

such and such 1 being

35:35

followed up by such and such 2

35:38

if it's part of like a long term franchise.

35:40

I mean, the last time they just

35:42

called the game Mortal Kombat, everyone was still

35:44

calling it Mortal Kombat 9. That's

35:49

the problem with these franchises. They never had the foresight

35:51

to be like, what are these names gonna look like

35:54

in 15, 20, 30 years? Well,

35:56

that's what I keep saying. Rest assured, I'm gonna complain. about

36:00

it this week when my review of Lords of the Fallen

36:02

comes out. Does

36:06

Final Fantasy have it right? Just put a number at

36:08

the end. I'd say so. I

36:10

mean, well if you have a direct sequel to a game just put

36:12

a 2 after it. Well

36:15

yeah, I mean there's a... Oh but it works. What's wrong

36:17

with that formula? No, nothing. Nothing's

36:20

wrong with that formula, exactly. Yeah, everyone

36:22

knows the order the games come in. If

36:24

they know that the Final Fantasy X has a

36:26

sequel, which is called X2. And certainly

36:28

we got into this terribly confused space where

36:31

we have to figure out what

36:33

constitutes a sequel that justifies putting

36:35

another number on the end. Yep. Assassin's

36:38

Creed's not with the numbers at 4. Yeah.

36:42

Now it's just Assassin's Creed's subtitle like

36:45

the Sonic franchise. Yeah,

36:47

Chaos Emerald brings up the Battlefield series, which might

36:49

be the worst. Where it's got a V, that's a 5, and

36:52

it's got a numeral 1, that's for World

36:54

War I, and then it's got big numbers, and

36:56

then it's got hard lines. Get

36:58

the fuck out of here. Yeah. Resident

37:00

Evil was another one that was very weird about what constituted

37:03

a numbered sequel. Because

37:05

you had Code Veronica, you had Dead Aim,

37:08

you had Outbreak, you had all

37:10

of them. Yeah, Code Veronica didn't

37:12

get a number, but Nemesis did. Like how

37:14

did that work? Yeah.

37:15

Veronica's like way longer than Nemesis.

37:18

Doesn't

37:18

matter. What? Grand Theft Auto, that's another one.

37:21

Nine Grand Theft Auto's down the line, we suddenly get Grand

37:23

Theft Auto 4. Yeah,

37:27

the fact that we get Vice City

37:31

and San Andreas didn't count as their own Grand Theft Auto.

37:33

Somehow. Yeah. Good weird.

37:36

Shall we get to Super Tarts? Let's.

37:38

I think everyone's got a few examples to

37:41

bring out. Yes, don't forget all of these

37:43

are going towards the funding of Adventure

37:45

is Now season 4 to be filmed in person yet

37:47

again. Because once we go...

37:53

Oh blimey. It's coming

37:55

along. It is. We might get to a third

37:59

by the end of October. And there's 69 days to go. Nice.

38:03

That's a sex number. But,

38:06

uh, Highsco helps us along significantly

38:09

with a nice pink super chat

38:12

to the tune of 49.99 British

38:14

pounds, which are the best pounds, and

38:17

says, it is my birthday today and wanted to thank

38:19

you all for the entertainment you have given. Oh, my gosh.

38:22

Thank you very much, Highsco. Happy birthday. Happy

38:25

birthday, Highsco. I hope you

38:27

have an ice cream cake. Thank you for giving us the birthday

38:29

money your parents put in your card.

38:32

Uh-huh.

38:35

That'll pay for, like, maybe half

38:37

a round of McDonald's. One we're out.

38:40

The suit and a bit of what it's all for. A lot of people.

38:43

A lot of McDonald's orders. RASP

38:45

Museum, member for 18 months in LA Access, says games

38:48

probably shouldn't go back to their roots. Well,

38:51

you can never go home again, can you? Yeah.

38:54

I mean, it has worked in

38:56

the past. Like anything, I don't think it should

38:58

be a hard and fast rule because we mentioned

39:01

Resi, we mentioned Doom. Those

39:03

are series that... Mega Man 9? Mega

39:05

Man 9. These are series that, like,

39:07

they find themselves in a pickle and then they don't

39:09

know what to do. And sometimes going back

39:12

to the roots, if done well, works. I

39:15

think that's a very big if. I

39:19

mean, if you say if done well, that sort of makes

39:21

your sense statement fairly meaningless. I mean,

39:23

anything would be good if done well, wouldn't

39:25

it? Yeah, but that's why I'm against

39:28

the idea of broad sweeping. This

39:30

shouldn't happen. No one should do it. Okay, that's

39:32

fair enough. Yeah. Don't

39:35

be so broad, RASP Museum. Oh,

39:37

RASP Museum, I think you could be just as broad as

39:39

you want. Put a space in your name somewhere.

39:42

Ah! Zoratha gives

39:44

two R dollars and says, for either Adventist

39:46

Night or Marty's Funeral, context related.

39:49

Yes, it's my forehead funeral. Can

39:51

I get much of a funeral? It is insane. I think

39:53

this camera might be cursed. When I look at my bathroom mirror, it doesn't

39:55

look bad at all. When I look at this

39:57

camera, I look like I got the... I look like

39:59

I got... I don't even know what shingles are but

40:01

I look like I got shingles. You look like

40:03

you got acne scarring. I

40:06

was gonna say. It's not. It's

40:08

weird. It doesn't even show up

40:10

in the other mirror. Do you think I'm haunted?

40:13

Maybe you should get a tan. Maybe you won't show up. Maybe

40:15

you should go out in the sun a bit. I

40:17

can't. I fucking have to sit at this desk

40:19

all day. Fucking goofing and spoofing about

40:22

remakes and roots and fucking

40:24

playing Devil May Cry. Well, why

40:26

don't you mount a laptop to your head and

40:29

then go touch some grass.

40:32

I would like to touch some grass. That would be very nice.

40:36

Fuseinator gives Saw 99 and says, Can

40:39

a game series that has transitioned from a different

40:41

format to being a supermassive open world

40:44

ever really go back? Looking forward

40:46

to more, Adventurous Night.

40:48

Like

40:52

Arkham Asylum, that's transitioned

40:55

to an open world format. Do you think that could ever go back to

40:57

the original more Zelda-ish formula?

41:00

Yeah, like is like at a certain

41:02

point does like a Dunbun can't be undone. Like

41:05

you can't you've crossed a threshold that you can't go

41:07

back to. Genie won't go back into the bottle. The toothpaste

41:09

won't go back into the tube. Exactly. Yeah,

41:13

I mean Arkham when a series what

41:15

it's all about every iteration has to get bigger

41:17

and bigger and bigger. Well, I've always felt

41:20

that you know, always

41:22

getting bigger is sort of like an unsustainable

41:24

model. But a

41:26

game can sometimes like ramp up things

41:28

by like focusing

41:31

harder on something. I always thought Silent

41:33

Hill 2 did that. Incompower to Silent Hill 1, which

41:35

was Silent Hill 1 had a broader scope. It

41:38

had a larger map. It had more

41:40

open world elements. It had this

41:42

big world saving plot about defeating

41:44

the evil cult. And Silent Hill 2

41:46

was a relatively focused thing about like a small

41:48

handful of dudes just sorting out

41:50

their own problems in a slightly

41:53

less open world setting. Yeah,

41:56

I mean I guess story wise things

41:59

could be pared back. like I would say,

42:01

Assassin's Creed Mirage succeeds,

42:03

whereas Valhalla was about like,

42:06

you know, like almost force-gumping your way through

42:09

medieval history. I

42:13

would argue Assassin's Creed Mirage fails less, not

42:15

so much streamlined as just cut

42:18

down.

42:21

Those are different? Yeah,

42:23

well, being streamlined

42:26

just means you've reduced the weight so

42:28

you can move faster, and

42:30

be more generally more engaging. And just being

42:33

cut down just means there's less stuff in

42:35

it. Yeah, yeah. Okay,

42:38

I gotcha. So it's not

42:40

like a nuanced way to trim

42:42

things. It's almost like... It's not so much pruning

42:45

a bonsai as taking a chainsaw to

42:47

it. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah,

42:50

that makes sense. Rufus

42:52

Omega in the chat brings up a good example.

42:55

Can Frumsoft go back to linear design after

42:57

Elden Ring? Well, I mean, we had Armor

43:00

Core, which the

43:02

most linear design of Frumsoft

43:04

is. As bad as linear as you can

43:06

get, really. Yeah, but in terms of

43:08

like the sort of the Souls formula

43:11

can like... Yeah, yeah. I

43:16

mean, just if

43:18

they brought out Bloodborne II, I wouldn't say no

43:20

at this point. Yeah, just

43:22

because I couldn't jump on a horse and go across the world like

43:24

an Elden Ring. Yeah,

43:28

it is interesting. I mean, a lot of times... I just had

43:30

a hideous vision of like open world Bloodborne.

43:32

It's like set across the entire city

43:35

like a Spider-Man game or something. God.

43:38

Yeah. Yeah,

43:41

I don't know. It's sometimes like a developer's success

43:43

can paint themselves into a corner, which

43:47

is interesting. It could be a double-edged

43:50

sword. I don't know.

43:52

Well, I'm curious. After

43:55

the Erdtree DLC that is coming

43:57

out for Elden Ring.

46:00

Nintendo or literally might have died

46:02

over the past 35 years But

46:05

while those people were there how people keep doing

46:07

that isn't it? Oh, I don't lazy but

46:10

while Obviously a

46:12

team of five people they're all gonna be very hands-on

46:14

with the game at a certain point like Miyamoto He's

46:16

one of those five people and he wasn't that hands-on with Mario

46:19

wonder like he was probably walking by and

46:21

was like what if What if things

46:23

started dancing really? What if

46:25

you put this block there? Then

46:28

the game micromanaged much He

46:30

doesn't seem like a guy who does know he just seems to care

46:32

about his Pikmin

46:33

now that Pikmin team

46:35

Yeah, but I was probably micromanaging Relevant

46:37

Lee doctors Hibra gives $2 and says how

46:40

about those lame new Super Mario

46:42

Brothers games? I've

46:45

always felt there's like the sort of multiple

46:47

tracks for Mario games you got Mario

46:51

sort of spin-offs your sports games

46:53

and you're typing computers into it That's just the

46:55

wasteland. Yeah, you've got the tentpole

46:58

Mario's which are Mario 64

47:01

Mario Sunshine Mario Galaxy Mario

47:04

Galaxy 2 and Mario Odyssey

47:07

And then you have what I like to call keeping

47:10

the lights on Mario where they just

47:12

hash out a platformer That's very

47:14

heavily inspired by older

47:17

Mario 2d platformers or the like and

47:21

just Ensure that Mario still

47:23

has a presence in everyone's minds And

47:25

I would classify the new super mario

47:27

brothers games under keeping the lights on Mario

47:30

And I'm thinking Mario wonder might well be the same sort

47:32

of thing I Agreed

47:35

with the first half of that statement heavily disagree with the

47:37

wonder statement after playing it this weekend. Okay,

47:39

I Was constantly

47:43

surprised and in a state of

47:45

wonderment Well, you've really tilted up

47:47

and I'm gonna hope I'll be impressed

47:50

when I play it You're not gonna be impressed because

47:52

you don't enjoy You know what? How

47:55

much it just starts

47:57

blemishing my forehead. That's how much joy

47:59

I love You have my mind's

48:01

gonna crack open like in bloodborne and my insights

48:04

gonna come out. I don't like joy You're

48:07

channeling one of those assholes in my comments is I

48:10

just hate all video games. This is what you're

48:12

doing Five games you like Yeah,

48:16

well that's quite a lot of games when you think about it

48:23

Abdul Karalas remember for 19 months in early access says

48:25

can you have nostalgia if the thing never leaves? Well,

48:28

no, I've made that very point The

48:31

nostalgia is very specifically a longing

48:33

for the things that have been lost in

48:36

time Yeah, don't really

48:38

have to currently have nostalgia for Star Wars anymore

48:40

because Star Wars never bloody goes away Yeah

48:44

Something yeah, that's that's sort of the power

48:47

of something people get excited for something to return

48:49

because they haven't had it for a while That was yeah excitement

48:51

and that's why everyone was excited for the prequels

48:54

It has been like 20 years since the last

48:56

Star Wars film. Yeah. Yeah

49:00

They've been like getting by with the methadone

49:02

of the expanded universe and my video game

49:05

tie-ins and they're like this was gonna be the first

49:07

actual Star Wars movie and Everyone

49:10

was like throwing shit fits over get being

49:13

the first in line to see it And then

49:15

the Phantom then it came out and

49:18

everyone thought it sucked Not

49:20

the kids the kids like it now Yeah,

49:23

I noticed that a sort of a redemption because

49:25

people are stupid There's

49:28

this show that's what happens

49:30

when you don't put enough funding into

49:32

education in this country That

49:34

joy thing coming out again. You pump

49:36

the brakes you do you need to respect the children

49:39

people who think The Phantom Menace

49:42

was good should go back and watch all the

49:44

classic like 70s sci-fi movies.

49:46

They should watch Star Wars They should watch Logan's run. They should

49:48

watch 2001 a Space Odyssey. They should

49:50

watch silent running Then

49:53

come back and tell me the Phantom Menace was a good film. Oh

49:55

then one no one should 2001 and I

50:00

really like my chimps. I like my chimps at the beginning of 2001.

50:03

Those are great monkeys. And

50:05

I like my big baby at the end. All

50:07

movies should begin with chimps and then they should begin with chimps.

50:09

Wow, you really appreciate that movie on like the most surface

50:12

level imaginable. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. And then

50:14

he's just going in a full-ass circle. It's great. I

50:16

like seeing the funny monkeys. I

50:18

like seeing the funny monkeys in the thoughtful

50:20

philosophical film about the progress of humanity.

50:23

Remember when the big rectangle shows

50:25

up? Everyone was like, Jesus Christ, where'd that rectangle

50:27

come from? That was great. Yeah, it makes more sense

50:29

in the book. Now,

50:32

readings for nerds. Well,

50:37

then you can call me Mr. Nerd. Have

50:40

you read the sequels? 2010

50:43

onwards.

50:44

Correct.

50:45

No, actually. I have seen the film for 2010. But

50:51

that's about all I've indulged of

50:53

the post 2001.

50:57

Shit. It's a difficult thing to talk about

50:59

because when you said post 2001, I

51:02

was just assuming all media post 2001. No. Everything's

51:07

very difficult to name things again,

51:09

like we said.

51:10

Wesley Thomas gives

51:13

five Canadian dollars and says, I've said before, everyone

51:15

demands innovation, but not like change it

51:17

back at once. We don't know what we want most

51:19

of the time. Another thing I frequently

51:21

said in not so many words, Wesley Thomas,

51:25

frequently said, if you ask

51:27

people what they want and then try to give them

51:29

what they ask for, they will complain that it's

51:31

not different. So

51:33

you might as well just make whatever the hell you want and

51:36

hope that with the

51:38

wing and a prayer, it'll be the thing that really,

51:40

you know, gels with people. Yeah.

51:45

Wesley predicted that it's

51:49

more been time would become a meme. No

51:53

one did predict that. And then Sony was like, hey,

51:55

let's capitalize with it. And by the time we got

51:57

back to this theater, everyone's like, we don't care about this anymore. Hey,

52:00

look at that. Corporate people trying to

52:03

capitalize off memes. That has always

52:05

worked. That has never been cringe-worthy.

52:10

Zaratha

52:12

gives $5R and says, Marty likes

52:15

goblin? Goblin D's nuts. Sorry,

52:18

I'm contractually obligated. Okay, not really, sorry.

52:21

You're having a little in joke with Zaratha

52:23

there. I like goblins. I

52:25

think it was just a goblin that's like

52:27

a... Oh, that's right. We were talking about goblins

52:30

earlier. I was talking about goblins and

52:33

Nick loves his D's nuts jokes. So I think

52:35

Zaratha was like, and Nick said fucking

52:37

got him in the chat. Nick, go to bed. I

52:39

played a goblin

52:42

mage in World of Warcraft a while back. I

52:44

wanted to call him Gob Job, but

52:47

the filter screened that out. So

52:51

I called him Gob Off instead, which

52:53

the filter didn't figure out. I

52:56

like Gob Job quite a bit.

52:58

Well done.

52:59

Funcus Finder gives $2. Does

53:02

Marty is likely to love all creatures, even goblins?

53:05

I love goblins. I love

53:08

holes and voids. That's

53:10

why I'm really smitten with them. Do you like the

53:12

parasitic wasps that lay their eggs in the

53:15

eyes of third world country children? Yeah,

53:19

they're adorable.

53:22

Even when their larvae burst out of the eyeball

53:25

of a severely underprivileged child? Yeah,

53:27

especially. Especially that's my favorite part.

53:30

You monster.

53:34

Baradas gives $2. There's weren't games

53:36

routes there fleeting newness. I

53:40

suppose one could take that angle

53:43

philosophically, but as we say, saying

53:46

go back to the routes doesn't really mean anything anyway. Yeah,

53:51

it's trying to recapture

53:54

the excitement and success of a moment, which

53:57

is difficult. Okay

54:01

then. Blue

54:03

MacNeil gives $5 and says, New trailer for Hades 2

54:05

has a fun exchange between Zach Reyes and Hades,

54:08

where Zach asks Dad about new lead, his

54:10

brother Bofordes, to Hades replies

54:13

Bofordes nuts. Well, thank you for utterly

54:15

ruining that joke, Blue MacNeil. I

54:19

haven't seen that trailer, but if I do now that

54:21

joke will have absolutely

54:23

no impact on me whatsoever. I

54:26

love the trailer for Hades 2 and

54:28

I did not even, maybe there's a new trailer I

54:30

didn't see, but I feel like I didn't

54:32

register a Bofordes joke the first time around.

54:35

Anyway, I thought Zach Reyes wasn't in Hades 2. I

54:37

thought it was a new protagonist. I

54:40

feel like this might be a goof. This might not be

54:42

a real, this might be

54:44

a goof and not in reference to a real

54:46

trailer. Well, even as a goof it fell flat then.

54:50

You know what? Goofs are in the eye of the beholder. It

54:52

didn't work for me either, if I'm being honest, but maybe

54:56

it would work for the younger

54:59

generation who likes the Phantom Menace. I

55:03

don't think those people have anything to

55:05

offer the world of culture. What

55:08

do you talk about? The kids? They

55:10

made great vines.

55:12

Oh, yeah, great.

55:14

Is this how you know aging is happening when

55:17

the thing the kids like sort of bounces

55:20

off you completely? Yes, that

55:23

is one of the ways. Oh well, guess

55:25

I'll just kill myself. Also you're a friend to

55:27

Kratz open. Guess I'll get on the phone to Dignitas

55:30

and stop blighting the world with my presence.

55:34

Dignitas. It's that Swiss

55:36

company that does voluntary euthanasia.

55:39

Oh yeah. Whatever happened to

55:41

Dr. Kevorkian? Is he all right? Remember that

55:43

guy? In

55:46

prison? I assume you

55:48

don't really develop in your career when

55:50

you're in prison. You

55:52

know what? Shout out to Dr. Kevorkian if you're in

55:54

the chat. Anyway, wasn't he killing

55:57

people who didn't actually want to die? I

56:00

don't think they wanted to die. That

56:03

was what Dr. Harold Shipman did. Who's

56:06

that man? That's actually probably a murderer. He's

56:08

another doctor who murdered their patients.

56:11

Yeah, no, Orkian did

56:14

it based on consent.

56:16

Okay.

56:18

Well, maybe he was before his time then. I think

56:21

a bookend is great. So Ratha gives five

56:24

R dollars and says, I've realised my last two supers were targeting

56:26

Marty, so here's some Marty appreciation,

56:29

Reis. Re-Eyes.

56:32

Heart, heart, crown.

56:33

Re-Eyes.

56:37

Thank you so much, Sir Arthur. I didn't

56:39

feel targeted at all. I think your groups were very funny. If

56:42

we can't laugh at ourselves, we're

56:44

doomed to become little

56:47

Dr. Kevorkians. Think about it. Thanks

56:49

for taking it on the chin.

56:52

Took it on the forehead, am I right? I assume you have a chin

56:55

in there somewhere. My

56:58

chin hasn't seen the light of day in probably 15

57:00

years. I am afraid. I don't even know what my chin

57:02

looks like. I don't know if I have a strong chin. I don't

57:04

know if I have a weak chin. Nobody knows what

57:06

their chin looks like, because it's hard to look

57:08

down at it. Unless you've

57:10

got a really big one. Stay

57:13

Leno. Sure. The

57:16

dude who eats pianos gives six 90 and says, Noice.

57:20

Oh, I see. 69. Thank you. And

57:23

Dr. Zimprey gives $5 and says, Yeah, it's when you

57:26

wear your scarf like that. It reminds me

57:28

of a priest's stall. Also

57:30

reminds me of my first time. Ah, here we bloody

57:32

go again. I don't wear a

57:34

scarf. It's a bathrobe

57:37

with a grey lining. It's

57:40

getting a bit chilly in Northern California,

57:43

now that Autumn's rolling on. And

57:47

Toffee likes to wear my robe because he can

57:49

hide in it. Yeah,

57:53

let's go back to sleep. K.O.

57:55

several gives £2 and says, To adapt

57:57

old ideas to new tech can be bad, Sam.

58:00

Sadly.

58:01

How many days?

58:03

Yeah, I mean that's

58:06

the only thing, certain ideas just worked

58:08

at the time and don't work now. Quite.

58:11

A lot of developers who's like heyday was in

58:14

a layer of 2D graphics. Peter

58:16

Molyneux rings the mind. Yeah,

58:19

yeah. Yeah,

58:21

that. 3D graphics was an absolute

58:23

sea change. Yeah,

58:26

I feel like that weeded so many really

58:28

creative. And it sucked because for a while

58:30

people

58:31

just couldn't make 2D games, right? It was like

58:34

it has to be 3D, whereas now it's like fucking,

58:36

we got room for anything. And so

58:39

you could have creators who didn't really adapt

58:41

to the modern sensibilities still be able to make things

58:43

on a smaller scale in the indie market. But

58:46

that definitely wasn't the case when we first jumped

58:48

to 3D.

58:49

There

58:50

you go. John Connick is 5CanadianDoors.

58:52

Says, a good remaster with quality of life improvements is

58:55

a great way to return to the roots and make it look as impressive

58:57

as when you first played it. So not

58:59

like a remake in the Dead Space

59:02

remake style. Just

59:05

a re-release something on Steam with

59:07

a resolution upgrade. Yeah.

59:10

Like the Metroid Prime remake, I suppose. Yeah,

59:14

yeah. Fix the controls so they didn't

59:16

suck so much. Yeah.

59:22

Yeah, sure. No,

59:24

yeah. Well, I'm also thinking about how

59:28

you always say it makes a lot

59:30

of sense of don't remake the masterpieces,

59:32

remake the games. Yeah,

59:35

but also keep

59:38

the old masterpieces available to

59:40

be played. I'm 100%

59:43

with you there, my God. So,

59:45

you know, fix them up

59:47

so they still work on modern hardware. But

59:50

don't go too nuts. And

59:52

also make games less scary by changing the font

59:55

on the sign to Silent Hill in the HD

59:57

Collection. Give me Comic Sans.

59:59

comic fans, you know, Silent Hill isn't

1:00:02

a font.

1:00:03

Should be though. What

1:00:06

kind of a font would it be? It would be the

1:00:08

font that the logo has been in for a while. There

1:00:10

you go. There you

1:00:13

go.

1:00:15

Hjorth87

1:00:18

gives 20 Danish krona and

1:00:21

says random question, art deco or art

1:00:23

nouveau? Well I'd

1:00:25

have to go with art deco because that's

1:00:27

the art style they used in

1:00:29

Batman the Animated Series which could only be good.

1:00:33

This is true. I want

1:00:35

a Batman the Animated Series game. I mean they already made

1:00:37

one. Yeah, there's tons dude. I

1:00:39

want like, what if, like what if Rocksteady

1:00:42

did a Batman the Animated Series game? Well that's what

1:00:44

Batman Arkham Asylum basically was. I mean they brought all the

1:00:46

voice actors back. Yeah but like

1:00:48

the look. I wanted to look. Didn't

1:00:50

have the art deco. As

1:00:53

I say, there have been a few Batman

1:00:55

the Animated Series adaptations on 16

1:00:58

bit platforms I recall. Yeah,

1:01:00

there was a Sega Genesis one, there's a Super Nintendo one, I want

1:01:03

a modern one. I

1:01:05

also just don't want them to be making that Suicide Squad game.

1:01:07

Just let them do something else. Well

1:01:09

apparently there have been rethinking things on that.

1:01:14

Worried.

1:01:15

Obviously there's probably a limit to what they can change

1:01:17

at this stage. But

1:01:21

maybe they'll be there. Maybe

1:01:23

it won't be full of gear grinding bullshit. Who

1:01:25

knows. Maybe they're going to Team Fortress 2 it

1:01:28

and completely remake it from the ground up. It's making

1:01:30

good. Theory that's coming

1:01:32

soon. That's still slated for February, although I can

1:01:34

absolutely see it. Spectral

1:01:37

Chicken member for three months in credit. Says,

1:01:39

going back to the roots to me feels like a developer or publisher

1:01:42

trying to keep a franchise going until they can figure out the direction

1:01:44

they want to take it in. Well as I say, that's

1:01:46

basically where the whole industry is at this point. Yeah,

1:01:49

a holding pattern. Yeah. Waiting

1:01:53

for the next big thing for everyone to rip

1:01:55

off. Yeah.

1:01:59

I'm glad that the bubble seems to have burst

1:02:02

for live service games. Yeah, I said.

1:02:04

I'm sitting down for that. Yeah.

1:02:06

I wish it had taken the last time it happened with

1:02:09

MMOs. But it seems this

1:02:11

is like 3D in films. This

1:02:13

is a lesson we just have to learn every decade or

1:02:15

so. Yeah. I mean, the thing that

1:02:17

worries them though is that games are so fucking

1:02:20

expensive to make, or at least like the current

1:02:22

triple A idea of what a game should

1:02:24

be is so expensive and

1:02:27

time consuming. Well,

1:02:29

people are rethinking things. Assassin's Creed

1:02:31

Mirage turned things down. They even released

1:02:33

it ahead of time because there wasn't so much bullshit

1:02:36

in it. I mean, it's not very good, but

1:02:38

it's a sign of good things. Yeah.

1:02:41

Yeah, and you even have, I feel

1:02:43

like developers like Insomniac who releases

1:02:46

pretty good games on a pretty regular basis. You

1:02:49

got Spider-Man in 2018, Miles Morales in 2020, Ratchet and

1:02:51

Clank in 2021. Well,

1:02:56

it was probably easy to hash out these games because

1:02:58

they've got all the assets on hand. And

1:03:01

oh look, they got another Spider-Man game out by

1:03:03

just using the same map as before

1:03:05

because it's New York. And

1:03:08

it's got Brooklyn and Queens. And let me tell you.

1:03:11

Oh, is that new?

1:03:13

Yeah.

1:03:14

Oh. Not too bad. Not too bad. Not

1:03:17

too bad. Ah, Lady

1:03:19

Luminous, member of the Three Months in bonus content, says,

1:03:21

is Nintendo best to go into their root stroke

1:03:23

doing nostalgia, or are indies better at capturing

1:03:26

that feeling? Well,

1:03:29

I think Nintendo is another case of never having really

1:03:31

gotten off their roots.

1:03:34

Mm-hmm. I

1:03:34

mean, they've never really gone away, much

1:03:37

like Star Wars in the present day. They've

1:03:40

been churning out the Marios since the beginning. Yeah,

1:03:44

and even if a series does go away for a little while,

1:03:47

it always sort of exists

1:03:49

somewhere in the Nintendo ether, whether as a

1:03:53

backwards compatible or downloadable service

1:03:55

game or a- Yeah, well,

1:03:57

you say that. Where's Kid Icarus these days?

1:04:01

No, that's a... I mean, that's... Hinderkirk

1:04:03

has went away for a very long time and then... Actually,

1:04:06

where's... There's like half the Smash Brothers

1:04:08

cast. Where's the Ice Climbers? But

1:04:11

I mean, is that... Is adding them to Smash...

1:04:15

Part of the idea of them never going away?

1:04:18

Oh, that's... Smash is just like the stud farm

1:04:20

that they all go to when they're being put out to

1:04:22

pasture. Yeah, that's like, oh, we

1:04:24

can put them here because you'll

1:04:26

never... Like, this way you won't forget

1:04:29

about them. And if we ever want to pull them out

1:04:31

and someone has a good idea for a game, then you'll be like, Oh,

1:04:33

it's the character from Smash. This way

1:04:35

their cast calls any trouble. Yeah.

1:04:38

Aye,

1:04:39

yeah.

1:04:40

The Nintendo just sort of helpfully guiding

1:04:42

the severely aged Captain Falcon back

1:04:45

to Smash. Says, yes, that's right, Captain Falcon.

1:04:47

You were once very popular. Just

1:04:50

go back inside now before

1:04:52

you get run over. Uh-huh.

1:04:57

Hunter Rhodes gives $10 and says, The thing that popped to mind

1:04:59

with this topic was Metroid Dread. Not

1:05:01

sure if it counts as going back to the roots as it is just

1:05:03

a sequel, but IMO,

1:05:05

it captured the field of classic games with

1:05:08

modern controls. If

1:05:10

you like. Yeah, I

1:05:12

mean, I don't know

1:05:14

if I would say that it went back to its

1:05:16

roots because it felt very different than like Metroid 1.

1:05:19

Yeah, and it was sort of building on the

1:05:22

plot from Metroid Fusion. Yeah,

1:05:25

it was really, I really like Dread though. I

1:05:28

thought it was excellent. And again, that is

1:05:30

an interesting, like how we talked about with

1:05:32

Assassin's Creed roots being elsewhere, like the roots

1:05:35

of Super Metroid are all

1:05:37

over, all sorts of design,

1:05:39

indie and AAA. And so

1:05:42

they weren't just

1:05:44

pulling from Metroid's past, but

1:05:46

the entire genre's past. Mr.

1:05:50

Arms and Legs gives $5 Canadian. The

1:05:53

irony of going back to the roots is that the best way is to refine

1:05:55

the design stroke gameplay so it feels fresh like

1:05:57

the first time we played it.

1:06:00

Yes, that would be like a Sonic Mania, I suppose.

1:06:03

Yeah, yeah. Or...

1:06:06

A Doom 2016. Mm-hmm. Maybe.

1:06:10

Yes, we'll be able to roll that. Merchant of

1:06:12

Life, gears £10. And

1:06:15

says, would love to see God of War go back to its roots

1:06:17

just throwing out all the character development for no reason.

1:06:19

Kratos just mass murdering all he sees, boy

1:06:22

in horror of what his dad used to be. Yeah,

1:06:27

like, it felt like 2018

1:06:29

made such a deliberate

1:06:31

attempt to push into the universe.

1:06:34

Yeah, again, that's a genie that's not going

1:06:36

back in the bottle. Yeah. Can't

1:06:39

really... Because it's all like, soulful

1:06:41

and emotional now. Like, remember

1:06:43

the end of God of War Ragnarok, where Kratos

1:06:47

sees his future and has a big old

1:06:49

suck? Mm-hmm. Big

1:06:52

ol' suck. Couldn't imagine that him

1:06:55

going from that big ol' suck to... Slashing

1:06:59

the shit out of monsters again. What is

1:07:01

a big ol' suck? Well,

1:07:05

he cries. He cries at the

1:07:07

end of God of War Ragnarok. I never heard of a suck.

1:07:09

I never heard that word before. Well,

1:07:11

I guess suck in Australian parlance

1:07:14

is more like sulking. Okay,

1:07:17

no, I liked that. I thought it was great. You say,

1:07:19

like, if someone's throwing a tantrum, you say someone's throwing

1:07:21

a big ol' suck. I love it. 10 out

1:07:24

of 10. So not quite the same thing

1:07:27

as having an emotional tear in your eye, because...

1:07:29

It worked. Like Kratos

1:07:31

did at the end of Ragnarok. But

1:07:33

never mind. Palaszty gives $4.99, and says,

1:07:36

There's games going back to their roots, reminds me of classic

1:07:38

rock bands who try the exact same thing and fail every time. So

1:07:40

you're Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, etc. The

1:07:42

Rolling Stones, Palaszty. The most popular

1:07:45

rock bands, one of the most popular touring

1:07:47

acts still to this day. I would

1:07:49

not call that a failed enterprise.

1:07:54

One wonders how they still have the energy to

1:07:56

continue touring to this day. I

1:08:00

saw ACDC live a couple of years back and they

1:08:02

looked like they were struggling. So

1:08:07

if you don't consider what

1:08:10

the Rolling Stones doing by still being on tour

1:08:12

a failure, do you not consider

1:08:15

the financial success of Call of Duty

1:08:17

continuing to sort of hash out

1:08:20

the same things a failure? Like how

1:08:23

is the Rolling Stones continuing to go on tour

1:08:26

well into their 70s? I don't think

1:08:28

I'd ever describe Call of Duty as a failure.

1:08:32

But you had a reverence in describing

1:08:35

the Rolling Stones that I don't feel like you'd have

1:08:37

when talking about it. Well they're very good at what

1:08:39

people expect of a rock band. They

1:08:43

sing their songs and sweat all

1:08:45

over people. Which

1:08:47

is like Call of Duty, right? Call of Duty is...

1:08:50

I think there's a little bit more expected of AAA video

1:08:52

games these days, or maybe that's just me expecting

1:08:54

too much.

1:08:57

Um, I

1:08:58

don't know. It seems like there's a line

1:09:00

there. You're giving a pass to

1:09:02

old Mick and Keith

1:09:04

that you're not given to old Soap McTavish and

1:09:06

I don't know any other case. Soap McTavish

1:09:09

didn't write Gimme Shelter.

1:09:12

I'll be honest. Uh,

1:09:15

that is true. Could you imagine

1:09:17

what Soap McTavish would have been like if he tried to draw up

1:09:21

a little bit of it like that? I literally

1:09:23

can't imagine any Call of Duty protagonist

1:09:26

caring about something other than shooting

1:09:28

foreigners for long enough to write a song. What

1:09:30

about... What is his name? Ghost? What's

1:09:33

the guy who's got the scary mask? I don't even bloody know. I

1:09:35

think his name is Ghost. Isn't like half the fucking Call

1:09:37

of Duty protagonist just a dude in a scary mask? What

1:09:42

about Black Ops? Was that a

1:09:43

man? Or was that a group?

1:09:45

I remember the protagonist of

1:09:47

Black Ops because I remember it

1:09:50

being one of the most generic waspy names imaginable.

1:09:53

His name was Alex Mason. And

1:09:56

I remembered it because that's the exact same

1:09:59

name as the protagonist of Black Ops. Red Faction Gorilla. No. Oh

1:10:02

no. That's not good. That's

1:10:04

good. Fungus

1:10:07

Linder gives two dollars and says Marty return

1:10:10

to Moncay. Use less soap. It's

1:10:12

natural. For my

1:10:14

face?

1:10:15

I'm

1:10:16

putting too much soap on my face.

1:10:17

Maybe.

1:10:19

And then Jim MacChek, remember for 27 months in credit,

1:10:21

says hey guys, just pop it in. Marty, what happened to

1:10:23

your head? Do you have shingles? Hopefully

1:10:25

you'll be okay. That

1:10:28

can't be what it was. Was that a real comment?

1:10:30

That wasn't a real comment, was it?

1:10:31

Yeah.

1:10:33

Oh my god, Jim. Shingles is just adult

1:10:35

chickenpox, isn't it? It's just the adult form of the

1:10:37

chickenpox virus. Got

1:10:39

fucking roasted. I might have shingles. Who

1:10:41

knows? It can be a lot more serious

1:10:43

than a child of chickenpox. That's

1:10:46

why children are encouraged to get chickenpox

1:10:48

early on. I

1:10:52

had chickenpox as a child, so. Yeah, me

1:10:54

too. Also mums. I'm

1:10:56

also, this is, again, I think someone said earlier

1:10:59

this morning. This might be a weird light

1:11:01

setting in my thing, because it

1:11:04

does not look this bad in my mirror. Well,

1:11:08

you know, no one's face looks as bad as it really

1:11:10

is in the mirror, because our brain sort of does

1:11:12

a little bit of filtering to our senses. But

1:11:16

I see it here. When

1:11:19

I look at myself in the mirror, I always think my

1:11:21

hairline isn't quite as receded as it seems.

1:11:24

But then I look at a photo of myself, and

1:11:26

I see the true image of my hair.

1:11:30

But anyway. Okay,

1:11:33

I get it. I get a pressure. What happens

1:11:35

to that? Cam Geninjig gives $5 and

1:11:38

says, part of what makes the original good is its originality,

1:11:40

which makes trying to recapture the spirit of the original self-defeating.

1:11:43

See Star Wars. Well,

1:11:46

there's, you know, there's recapturing

1:11:49

the original and recapturing the spirit of the original,

1:11:51

which I would say something like Zelda Breath of

1:11:53

the Wild does. Yeah.

1:11:58

It's all the pressuring when you still have light. You can't

1:12:00

throw the entire baby out with the bathwater in a Star Wars

1:12:02

when you still get incredible works like and

1:12:04

or last Jedi Star

1:12:06

Wars is just a completely

1:12:09

generic setting you could put anything in it. It's

1:12:11

just science fiction Go

1:12:14

to a planet with aliens. Ooh You

1:12:19

could set literally every science fiction story

1:12:21

that has ever been told could be set in the Star Wars universe

1:12:23

and it would fit in just fine Even 2001

1:12:27

with the monkeys and the baby. Yeah, even

1:12:29

that incredible You

1:12:36

just instead of calling it earth and Jupiter

1:12:38

you'd say it's the planet mong

1:12:40

bomb And it's

1:12:43

and the gas giant in the same star system, which

1:12:46

is called kissy

1:12:48

vagina Kissy vagina.

1:12:50

Yeah, that's where the Sith started.

1:12:53

Yeah, their secret like base

1:12:56

orbiting kissy vagina They'll

1:12:58

never find us here. They thought yeah.

1:13:01

Yeah Chewbacca went on an adventure to kissy vagina

1:13:03

at one point Yeah, see the Sith

1:13:06

make their base there because they know the Jedi can't

1:13:08

bring it up without getting demonetized That's

1:13:10

true. That's why they said Chewbacca because

1:13:12

he just he growl. Yeah,

1:13:15

you to blow demonetize his

1:13:17

roars anyway

1:13:20

enough of that riff Fungus

1:13:25

finder gives two dollars and says also quit touching your

1:13:27

face. Stop it. Stop it

1:13:29

Oh does it bother you when I've touched my face

1:13:31

fungus finder? My

1:13:33

love stroke of my beard I'm

1:13:38

gonna scratch my nose as well

1:13:40

No, no, no, no, no

1:13:45

Is that like a misophonia thing like I hate

1:13:47

listening to the sound of people eating There's some people just hate

1:13:50

the sight of people touching their faces. I Don't

1:13:53

know. I feel like they should have to They

1:13:57

should have to be on camera speaking

1:13:59

extemporaneous for several hours a week and

1:14:02

let everyone else point out all of their

1:14:04

flaws and eccentricities and small

1:14:06

ticks and see how they Like it think about

1:14:08

you getting the bit of that guy now if he wants bringing up your

1:14:11

weird forehead Oh, no, I was one who first

1:14:13

brought this up for a while

1:14:15

Doesn't it doesn't bother me. I'm gonna be honest chat.

1:14:18

I love you. I don't give a shit what anyone chat

1:14:20

thinks about me

1:14:21

It is is wild

1:14:24

how little I care what anyone thinks about me, but

1:14:27

I do appreciate it. I like some I've gotten good tips I

1:14:29

bought some I bought some creme's I bought some creme's

1:14:31

that I put on my forehead We'll see I feel like the creme

1:14:33

might have made it worth. Yeah, I'm on the

1:14:35

creme creme de menthe Oh Anyway,

1:14:43

so now me do shit gives you those and says here's a joke

1:14:45

for you foam stars Oh phone

1:14:48

stars I

1:14:50

do not know what foam stars is where

1:14:52

enix is trying to make a Splatoon

1:14:56

like But instead of paint

1:14:59

its foam. It's like suds everywhere

1:15:02

Well, it looks like Splatoon, but it's

1:15:04

got foam sprayed everywhere. Well,

1:15:07

that seems a bit naked Yeah

1:15:10

in terms of intentions. Yeah.

1:15:12

Yeah, it's even hard It's like harder to visually read

1:15:15

than Splatoon because you're just fucking bubbles every well So

1:15:17

it's kind of like to the party isn't it for

1:15:20

things like three games in and no one cares about it anymore

1:15:23

Yeah, well incredibly popular

1:15:26

I'm sure well, I don't care about

1:15:28

Splatoon. Oh If you

1:15:31

don't care about it and a convo

1:15:33

exactly You

1:15:36

know maybe only just now people have

1:15:38

started like make this platoon likes cuz I remember

1:15:40

playing the the crash bandicoot party game

1:15:42

At DDC. Oh, yeah, this

1:15:44

has a sort of a Splatoon II vibe to it. Yeah.

1:15:47

Yeah I don't really

1:15:50

really slow on the ball or not realizing how well it was because

1:15:52

games take so long to make that's why it took So long

1:15:54

for like the serious souls like

1:15:57

ripoffs to come out after success

1:15:59

at the initial done souls yeah

1:16:02

and the first ones we got like the original Lord of the fallen we're

1:16:04

kind of yeah don't be and then

1:16:06

breath of the wild was out a few years before the

1:16:09

imitators for that side showing up like

1:16:14

Genshin impact and immortal

1:16:16

Phoenix rising Joseph

1:16:20

Easton gives two dollars Eastom

1:16:24

I hardly knew him and says

1:16:26

I want to see Warhammer 40k in Star Wars

1:16:29

could happen

1:16:31

yeah it

1:16:32

was big ol big ol armor boys fighting

1:16:35

a bunch of monsters yeah he could actually be

1:16:37

on kissy vagina or whatever the name of your planet

1:16:39

was you see vagina

1:16:41

yeah oh well

1:16:43

that was our super chat

1:16:45

bit of bit anticlimactic really and

1:16:50

after all that we have a grand total of one

1:16:52

extra percentage point towards Avengers

1:16:54

nice season 4 well you tried in

1:16:58

you an effort was made I

1:17:00

thought you guys did great well

1:17:03

thanks very much for listening to slightly something

1:17:05

else I was Yahtzee I was joined

1:17:07

by Marty well thank you all

1:17:09

so much what we've

1:17:12

come this week I've got my usual zero punctuation

1:17:14

on Wednesday the one going out

1:17:16

publicly is Assassin's Creed Mirage relevantly

1:17:20

but the one coming out to

1:17:23

members who get the get it a week

1:17:25

early don't forget which is why you should subscribe

1:17:28

is going to be Lord of the Fallen the

1:17:31

new one smart ass not

1:17:35

the previous one with the exact same name

1:17:37

that is going to confuse things forevermore I

1:17:40

think we're safe for with this one

1:17:42

because I feel like the first one just forgot

1:17:44

there are people just forgot about the first one I think it was a

1:17:46

very forgettable game where it's not like doom or God of

1:17:48

War where you're like what the fuck well people

1:17:51

remember it now because they put out another fucking

1:17:53

game with the exact same title yeah yeah

1:17:55

I guess that is true yeah

1:17:57

and if you're a member you can watch all the Atsis

1:17:59

things early and uncensored. You know

1:18:01

all those cutscenes we were saying just now? Yeah. You

1:18:04

can hear those cutscenes in videos. But

1:18:07

yes, and you can also watch Extra Punctuation

1:18:09

with the cutscenes, and there'll be a new

1:18:11

one of those coming out this week too. And

1:18:15

don't forget, of course, Adventure is Die. There's

1:18:17

a new episode of Winter Out Publicly on Saturday,

1:18:20

but there'll be a new one for members next Saturday.

1:18:22

Oh, and

1:18:25

we mustn't forget, on Wednesday, I

1:18:27

will be starting a new streaming series

1:18:30

that's not the post-CP stream, but it is

1:18:32

in the same place of it and requires about

1:18:34

as much effort, which is the only way

1:18:36

I can do new things. I have to drop one of the old things

1:18:39

first. We're doing

1:18:41

Yahtzee Unscripted, in which I will be streaming

1:18:43

new games that I haven't played.

1:18:47

And once

1:18:50

we've streamed it, I will be writing up some notes, and

1:18:52

we'll put out a little edited highlights video of the streams

1:18:55

with a little mini-capsule reviews. I

1:18:58

think we'll be doing that at the weekend.

1:19:00

Saturday, I think.

1:19:02

Yeah, in terms of stream itself, same post-CP

1:19:04

time, same post-CP length, right?

1:19:07

So that's still going to get plenty of spooks

1:19:09

and goofs just on

1:19:12

different games that you aren't already sick of, which

1:19:15

is very nice. I think this

1:19:17

Wednesday, one of the games we're going to play is

1:19:20

probably going to be Mario Wonder, since you keep talking it

1:19:22

up. Very good. But

1:19:24

I sort of don't really want to play it

1:19:27

for ZP, because I'm dubious

1:19:29

that it's that much more than just

1:19:32

another Mario platformer. But I'm ready to be

1:19:34

convinced.

1:19:36

You could just do a nice little pairing with Sonic.

1:19:39

There you go.

1:19:40

Well, that I am reviewing

1:19:42

in ZP. You're reviewing

1:19:44

Sonic and you're now reviewing Mario. Funny

1:19:47

how these things turn out, isn't it? It's almost

1:19:49

like one of them is still more

1:19:51

interesting things to talk about, something that continually

1:19:53

fails.

1:19:58

Anyway, that's it for...

1:19:59

my content or what else has the escapist

1:20:02

got to show for itself? Later

1:20:05

today, Hidden Gems, Casey

1:20:08

and Jesse are going to be playing Like, Aged

1:20:10

Through Blood which is apparently

1:20:13

a new indie game that people

1:20:15

seem to really like. It's like

1:20:17

a Metroidvania but you're on a motorcycle.

1:20:20

So a little bit like a trial Metroidvania.

1:20:23

Well it's vaguely intriguing so maybe I'll

1:20:25

play that on Wednesday as well. There's

1:20:27

a couple of slots open. Oh

1:20:29

my god, get your games in early, get your

1:20:32

games getting off and then all the regular stuff we'll

1:20:34

be doing the recap tomorrow at the normal time.

1:20:37

I think Nick is going to be doing

1:20:40

Dark Souls tomorrow. Yeah, all the regular streams

1:20:42

all week so tune in for those and speak good

1:20:44

to each other. Okay, well I guess

1:20:46

that'll be it from us then. Thanks

1:20:48

for watching, see you all next

1:20:50

time. Bye everyone!