0:54

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2:00

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2:02

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2:04

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2:07

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2:09

held accountable for his actions. So

2:12

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2:14

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2:19

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2:21

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2:24

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3:11

on Small Town Dicks, Small

3:14

Town Fam, we have the usual

3:16

suspects. We have Detective Dave.

3:18

Hello Yardley. Hello David.

3:21

And we have Detective Dan. Go team.

3:24

Go team. And

3:26

we have the one and only Paul. Hey

3:29

everybody. Hey. So

3:32

we're very lucky today because this case

3:34

comes to us from the A team from

3:37

our one and only Detective Dave.

3:38

Yes. Dave, tell

3:41

us how this case came to you. So this

3:44

case occurred several years ago. It

3:46

was once I became a detective. And

3:48

the gist is patrol had gone out a day

3:50

prior

3:51

to a local hospital. And

3:54

we have two hospitals in our city. And

3:57

this is the main, the biggest hospital, the

3:59

newest hospital.

3:59

Typically, when we get calls from a hospital,

4:02

it's the emergency room. In

4:04

this case, the call came to us from the sixth floor

4:07

of the hospital. Based on my experience,

4:09

I knew that was the orthopedic section

4:12

of the hospital, and my assumption

4:15

was, okay, well, it's gonna be somebody

4:17

who had a surgery. Why

4:19

am I going to the sixth floor?

4:20

Who made that call, the hospital itself? The

4:23

call came to us from a nursing

4:26

care coordinator at this hospital,

4:28

and she was calling on behalf of

4:31

her nursing team and wanted

4:33

to file a report regarding

4:36

a patient who was still admitted

4:38

to the hospital and staying on the sixth

4:41

floor, and the hospital

4:43

staff had had some pretty disturbing

4:45

interactions with this patient. So

4:48

I read the report, the gist is, a

4:50

nurse complains to her shift

4:52

supervisor

4:53

and says, this patient

4:55

in this room just put his hands on me

4:57

and wanted to report that,

5:00

and this was the last straw

5:02

for this nursing staff, where

5:05

they said, all right, we're calling the police because

5:07

that's way out of bounds. However,

5:10

prior to suspect Jeremy,

5:14

Jeremy's in his 40s, Jeremy

5:16

is not a nice person,

5:18

and we'll get into that shortly, but

5:21

Jeremy was in the hospital to have hip

5:23

replacement. And he had a hip replacement

5:25

surgery, say on a Monday,

5:28

and our police department received a call

5:31

on a Wednesday, and I

5:33

went out to investigate on a Thursday. So that's,

5:35

we're looking at about three day timeline. Upon

5:38

Jeremy's admission to the hospital, nurses

5:41

are taking care of Jeremy,

5:43

getting him ready for his surgery, and

5:45

once Jeremy is out of surgery, he

5:47

goes back to his room and nurses

5:50

begin to take care of him, you know, as they

5:52

do, they do their rounds, check in on Jeremy.

5:56

And each time the nurses come

5:58

into Jeremy's room, they notice

6:01

a lot of activity below his waist, like

6:03

he's masturbating under his blankets,

6:06

nonstop, like repeatedly. Any

6:08

time a nurse entered Jeremy's room,

6:11

he was masturbating. And their presence

6:14

in Jeremy's room did not ever deter

6:16

him or stop him from masturbating. He

6:19

would continue. And

6:21

then Jeremy starts making comments to

6:23

the nurses when they call him out and say,

6:25

hey, knock it off, stop doing

6:28

that. They're very professional, they're

6:30

firm, and it's clear, like, don't

6:32

do that. Nobody wants to see that. And

6:35

Jeremy doesn't care. So day number

6:37

one of Jeremy's stay, post-op,

6:41

Jeremy does a lot of masturbation.

6:43

And

6:44

the following day, the determination is

6:46

made. Any time we send a nurse into

6:48

Jeremy's room, we're gonna have two nurses. They're

6:51

trying to be proactive. Like, nobody knows what

6:53

this guy's up to. And

6:55

Jeremy soon gets a lot more

6:57

crude than what he's already

7:00

done on day one. On day two, Jeremy

7:02

is now inviting these nurses to

7:04

join him and help him masturbate,

7:07

asking if they'll have sex with him, offering

7:10

to take them into the shower and

7:14

have them shower with him and have sex with

7:16

them. I mean, it's absurd.

7:18

Now, the obvious question is, since he's

7:21

had a hip replacement, I'm guessing there's some pain

7:23

management could it be the drugs talking?

7:25

That was one of my main questions. Certainly,

7:27

Jeremy's got some pain management issues. But

7:31

I later learned that Jeremy's just been given

7:34

kind of moderate

7:35

pain meds and sedatives. And

7:38

part of that decision is, let's

7:41

make the patient comfortable. However,

7:43

we don't want to give Jeremy

7:45

too many meds.

7:46

We don't know what that's going

7:48

to do to his behavior. Like, is

7:51

this going to escalate his behavior if we give

7:53

him more substantial pain meds?

7:55

So the behavior is already so

7:57

bad that it's already being taken care

7:59

of.

7:59

into account going forward

8:02

with his pain management.

8:03

Correct. So

8:06

due to Jeremy's hip replacement surgery, he

8:08

is now kind of confined to a walker.

8:11

And Jeremy needs quite

8:13

a bit of assistance anytime he has to get

8:15

up from his bed.

8:17

Go to the restroom or?

8:18

Exactly. There's a moment

8:21

on the third day of Jeremy's

8:23

stay where the nurses enter

8:25

his room and they notice that Jeremy

8:27

is out of bed. His walker is nearby,

8:30

but it's not within arm's distance of Jeremy. And

8:32

Jeremy is kind of awkwardly hunched

8:34

over a chair in his hospital

8:37

room. So two nurses

8:39

approach both females. One of them

8:42

is Mary. She

8:44

is a long time registered

8:47

nurse, has probably seen it all in a

8:49

hospital setting. And the

8:51

person assisting her turns out

8:53

to be a witness in this case. She's got a similar

8:55

background. These nurses

8:58

have dealt with patients of all

9:00

types and have been in this

9:02

job for years. And later

9:05

both tell me, Jeremy is

9:07

the most egregious behavior they've

9:09

ever seen in a hospital setting. And

9:12

I asked, have you ever called the police

9:15

before because of a patient's

9:17

behavior? And both said, I've never

9:19

even been close to calling the police. It's

9:22

kind of accepted in the medical industry.

9:24

We're gonna deal with some difficult patients and

9:27

they just grin and bear it. Their tolerance

9:30

level is way higher than mine would be.

9:33

Jeremy's so bad that finally the

9:35

nurses all agree, we need to call the police.

9:38

And it's prompted by these two

9:40

nurses, Mary and her coworker, attempting

9:43

to get Jeremy from this awkward

9:45

position he is on this chair and

9:47

go maybe six or seven

9:50

feet and get him up to his bed

9:52

where he can stabilize himself and then roll into

9:55

bed and they'll talk him in. Jeremy,

9:58

during this interaction with the two nurses.

10:00

begins pawing at and

10:02

grabbing Mary's breasts. And

10:05

it's not accidental brushing

10:08

up against, it's intentionally

10:10

reaching up with a hand and trying

10:12

to grab Mary's breasts. Mary

10:14

addresses this very firmly right

10:16

away and says, that's inappropriate, keep

10:18

your hands off me, I'm trying to help you. And

10:22

Jeremy basically propositions her

10:24

and says, well, do you want to fuck? Jesus.

10:27

And both nurses are appropriately

10:29

disgusted with Jeremy. And

10:31

they're like, no, don't talk to us

10:34

like that. We're trying to help you. We're going

10:36

to get you to the bed, but you got to help us

10:38

a little bit. Like, how'd you get over here? So

10:41

Mary has already been firm and warned

10:44

Jeremy, I don't want you to touch me. The

10:46

project right now is to get you into bed.

10:49

Jeremy disregards the request

10:51

or the order and grabs Mary's breasts

10:53

again. And

10:55

Mary brushes his hand away forcefully,

10:57

like, get your hands off me. They

11:00

back Jeremy over to the bed. And

11:02

Mary asked Jeremy, hey, can you just put your hands

11:05

on the bed and stabilize

11:07

yourself and we'll help with the rest.

11:10

Jeremy sits on the edge of the bed and

11:13

Mary is on his left side. The

11:16

other nurse is on Jeremy's right side. And

11:18

Jeremy puts his hand on Mary's upper

11:20

thigh and she says, get your hand off

11:23

me. And he immediately and aggressively

11:26

goes up to Mary's crotch and forcefully

11:28

grabs her. Over the clothes, however.

11:31

It's assault. Absolutely. It's

11:33

a sexual assault. And the

11:35

intent is clearly there. And

11:39

Jeremy asks, hey, so you want to have sex

11:41

with me now? And Mary basically says, get

11:43

your hands off me. We're done. Get

11:46

back into bed. And both

11:48

nurses leave the room

11:50

and immediately go report this activity

11:53

to the rest of the team. This

11:55

prompts the hospital to now take

11:58

Jeremy and move him to a hospital. a different room.

12:01

And then the new procedure

12:03

with Jeremy is

12:05

no female nurses in Jeremy's room.

12:07

And was Jeremy in a private room before they moved

12:09

him to this new room? Jeremy's in his own

12:11

room, so nobody else had to be exposed

12:14

to this. But the reason they

12:16

moved Jeremy into a different room is this

12:19

new room is the only room on the floor

12:21

with video cameras in the room.

12:24

And my assumption is it's

12:27

having a little bit of foresight

12:29

and saying we might have patients

12:31

that we need to keep a very close eye

12:33

on. The other is maybe

12:36

we have patients where we really have to monitor

12:38

what's going on in that room because of

12:40

their health condition. In this case,

12:43

it's because of Jeremy's behavior. And

12:45

this new room is right

12:47

beside the nurses station. So

12:50

there is always someone near Jeremy's

12:53

room now. Fortunately,

12:55

Jeremy's not very mobile. Jeremy's

12:57

kind of confined to his bed and he's

13:00

not doing, you know, like physical therapy where

13:02

they're trying to get him mobile and walk around

13:04

the hallways or anything like that. It's like

13:06

lay down in your bed. And I'm certain

13:09

all the staff was ready for Jeremy

13:12

to be good enough to get discharged from the hospital.

13:15

So our patrol officer went out to take

13:17

the initial report. That's the

13:19

information he gathers. And

13:22

there are several witnesses that were present

13:25

throughout the three days that Jeremy was

13:27

in the hospital. And the

13:29

officer lists in his report, these witnesses

13:32

can speak to what Mary experienced.

13:35

And they also have their own experiences with Jeremy

13:37

where they walk in and Jeremy's masturbating

13:40

or asking, hey, do you want to have sex

13:42

with me? He is exposing

13:44

himself to nurses. When

13:47

I read the report, I was like, are you kidding

13:49

me? And it's always female nurses.

13:51

Every female nurse that interacted

13:54

with Jeremy had an interaction like this.

13:56

Mary is the only nurse that Jeremy

13:59

put his hands on. Do

14:00

you think that was because of opportunity,

14:02

because she was in proximity, she was

14:04

close enough, or because he

14:06

fancied her?

14:07

I'm not sure. I think it's probably

14:09

the proximity factor. But clearly,

14:11

Jeremy has some impulse control issues.

14:15

And we talk about... I'm

14:17

gonna go off on a little tangent.

14:20

We talk about officers and their level of effort.

14:23

In this case, I've got a sexual

14:25

assault. Our patrol officer who went out

14:27

there listed, hey, there's lots

14:30

of witnesses to this, but fails

14:32

to speak to any of them, fails to get

14:34

their names. And I address

14:37

this with the officer the next day. And I'm like, hey,

14:40

I just got this report forwarded to me. Sounds

14:42

like you got to the hospital right in the

14:44

middle of this shift with all

14:47

these nurses who worked together. While

14:49

you were there, did you happen to speak to any of the

14:51

witnesses? And this officer tells me, well, that's not

14:53

my job. That's your job.

14:55

Wow. Why didn't you just get some

14:57

names? You didn't even have to interview him.

14:59

I would like you to interview them, but at

15:01

least give me some names. This officer

15:04

early in his career

15:06

just did not apply the appropriate effort

15:09

to this case. And it was very frustrating. That

15:11

issue was later corrected. That

15:14

officer turned out to be one of the most

15:16

reliable officers I've worked with. But early

15:19

on, and it comes down, it was an

15:21

FTO. Field training officer taught

15:23

him the wrong way. And you have to untrain

15:26

that type of laziness. But

15:29

the officer does not even contact Jeremy.

15:31

I think he was thinking, I'll

15:34

just kick this back to detectives and

15:36

they can handle all the follow-up. At our

15:38

department, there are specific

15:40

instances where you wouldn't do follow-up

15:42

in a situation like that. Say our victim

15:45

is a juvenile.

15:46

Our patrol officer isn't going to do an interview

15:49

with the juvenile, right? But

15:51

I was taught very early on, and so was Dave,

15:54

that as a patrol officer, you

15:56

exhaust all the follow-up you can

15:59

on the front end.

15:59

And then if you can't

16:02

contact these other witnesses, that's

16:05

when that report gets forwarded

16:07

to a detective and the detective

16:09

does the follow-up. But if you have witnesses

16:12

that are there, you better talk to every one

16:14

of them and list them in the report, their name,

16:17

date of birth, contact info. It's

16:19

just inexcusable for that

16:21

not to be done on the front end at your

16:24

first point of contact, which is as a patrol

16:26

officer, you have to do it.

16:28

And the issue is,

16:29

what if one of the witnesses is a traveling

16:32

nurse and that was her last shift

16:34

and now I don't even know who it was.

16:37

And she's gone. Right. So just

16:39

give me the names, give me their contact

16:41

information. So I was frustrated,

16:44

I get this report and

16:46

I go directly out to the hospital. I

16:49

said, well, this is the same timeframe of

16:51

day that these nurses were working

16:53

yesterday. I hope they're there. I

16:55

lucked out. All the witnesses

16:57

from the previous day were there. When

17:00

I went to the hospital, I met with this nursing

17:02

care coordinator who is the person who

17:04

called the police and just

17:07

basically got some general information

17:09

about Jeremy, confirmed the

17:11

date that he was admitted to the date

17:13

that the hospital was planning to discharge him,

17:15

which is the date that I arrived at the

17:17

hospital. They were actually prepping Jeremy

17:20

to get released. And so

17:22

I'm like, thank God I came

17:24

out here right now because

17:27

he would have

17:27

been in the wind. So Dave,

17:29

you get to the hospital

17:31

to interview the nurses

17:43

and

17:47

also to see who this dude,

17:50

Jeremy is, and you find out he's going

17:52

to be released that day. Is that because

17:54

of his obscene behavior or is

17:56

it because it's time his hip is

17:58

rehabbed enough hospital?

17:59

and it's time for him to go home. I

18:02

think they considered Jeremy to be

18:04

medically stationary enough that they could release

18:06

him. I can't prompt a doctor to

18:10

release somebody. It only happens

18:12

when the doctor is ready

18:14

to release somebody.

18:15

Yeah, of course. I guess I

18:17

wondered if the hospital

18:19

was like, get this guy

18:21

out of here. I don't care where he goes, but

18:24

of course they wouldn't do that. Well, certainly

18:26

I think it's reasonable to assume that somebody

18:29

who doesn't present the same types of

18:31

behavior issues might get some grace

18:34

with the timing of their discharge. In

18:36

this case, it's like, let's get

18:38

him to the point where we don't have to treat him anymore and

18:40

get him out of here. Yeah.

18:42

So I meet with this nursing care

18:44

coordinator and I say, hey, I need to speak

18:46

to everybody that had interactions with Jeremy.

18:49

And she says, awesome. I

18:52

will start rounding him up. And

18:54

the first person I speak to is Mary. And

18:56

she relays all

18:58

these things that had previously

19:01

been relayed to the officer

19:03

during the initial report. Story

19:05

hasn't changed. I'm

19:07

like, okay, I know I'm going

19:09

to arrest Jeremy. So I'm just building

19:12

a case. And

19:14

the hospital marches four female

19:16

nurses one by one

19:18

into a little office where I could speak with them.

19:21

And all these nurses describe seeing

19:23

Jeremy masturbating, him making

19:26

crude comments about wanting to have sex

19:28

with them, offering to have sex

19:30

with them. It's as if I took the

19:33

same statement four times.

19:34

But not in a way that was rehearsed.

19:36

Right, it's not rehearsed. It's any

19:39

time there was a nurse in

19:41

Jeremy's room, Jeremy had

19:43

his hand on his penis and was masturbating.

19:46

He was saying vile things to

19:48

these professional women who are just trying to take

19:51

care of him. And then Mary has the

19:53

unfortunate proximity to Jeremy

19:55

where he can actually get his hands on her.

19:57

Going back a little bit, I'm thinking

19:59

about this.

19:59

Walker that is six,

20:02

seven feet away from Jeremy. And Jeremy

20:04

is in this awkward position leaning over this

20:06

chair and how

20:09

deliberate that is. It's really

20:11

where the offender, you know,

20:13

I use this term over and over, lure and isolate.

20:16

And that's what he's doing is he's staged

20:18

something in order to be able

20:20

to get these nurses toward now, he is

20:23

in physical contact with them. Right. So

20:26

I confirm with each of these nurses that

20:28

Jeremy wasn't provided

20:29

any type of medication that

20:32

they've ever seen result in this

20:34

type of behavior. That he's given

20:36

a moderate sedative for

20:38

his pain and they

20:41

didn't give him any other type

20:43

of drug. There was no allergies

20:45

or there's no reaction from medications

20:49

to prompt Jeremy to

20:51

start behaving this way. And

20:54

it's only when female nurses are in the

20:56

room. I interviewed two male nurses

20:58

and neither of them had any of these types

21:00

of interactions with Jeremy. It's only

21:03

when female staff is going in and that's important

21:05

to me. If it's just going

21:07

on nonstop, regardless

21:09

of who's in the room, then I can say, okay,

21:12

well, maybe this guy is just on a different

21:14

planet right now. In this case, it's

21:16

selective. It's when a female nurse is

21:18

in his room and it's

21:21

masturbation. It's, hey,

21:24

knock that off. And Jeremy looks at

21:26

him like, what are you going to do about it?

21:28

So

21:28

prior to going to Jeremy's room to speak to

21:31

him, I confirm with the hospital

21:33

he's going to get released and you

21:35

guys feel that it's okay for him to

21:37

go from here, the hospital, to

21:40

jail.

21:41

And they say, yep, so we always ask for,

21:43

can I get an okay for jail slip?

21:46

And they actually write it on a script pad, okay

21:49

for incarceration. Really? I've

21:51

never even heard of that process. He's literally

21:53

getting a prescription to go

21:56

and get incarcerated.

21:57

A doctor's note to go to jail.

21:59

That's exactly right.

21:59

what it is and it is well

22:02

known that criminals,

22:04

people in custody, malingar,

22:06

they have all sorts of maladies that

22:09

pop up right when handcuffs go on

22:11

and all of a sudden they are too unhealthy

22:14

to be incarcerated. So

22:16

I get out in front of that and I just say, doctor,

22:18

is it going to impact Jeremy's

22:21

health at all if he goes to jail once

22:23

he gets discharged? And the guy's like, alright, you

22:25

know it right now. So I go

22:27

to Jeremy's room knowing I'm

22:29

going to arrest Jeremy and I say,

22:32

Jeremy, I'm

22:34

Detective Dave and I

22:36

need to talk to you about some of your interactions

22:39

over the past few days. And Jeremy

22:42

confirms

22:43

that he has had some behavior

22:45

issues.

22:46

I ask him to explain why

22:49

he's had behavior issues while he was

22:51

at the hospital and Jeremy says the second

22:53

day I was here somebody slipped me some drugs

22:55

and he's referring to illicit drugs not

22:58

like pain medication.

23:00

And he means the second day I was

23:02

in the hospital somebody snuck in and gave

23:04

me some illicit drugs.

23:05

Exactly. I actually

23:07

went back to these nurses and said, did Jeremy

23:10

have visitors? And the nurses said he's

23:12

only had one visitor his entire

23:14

stay and it was a female. We

23:16

all assumed based on the interaction it was probably

23:19

Jeremy's girlfriend. It was brief

23:21

but we know that this female handed

23:24

Jeremy some sort of pipe, a

23:26

glass pipe, turned out to be a marijuana

23:28

pipe. And that

23:30

Jeremy and this girlfriend had smoked marijuana

23:32

in his room.

23:33

Is it legal to smoke marijuana in

23:35

your hospital room? No, it

23:38

is not. The behavior is so absurd

23:41

but in keeping with Jeremy's

23:44

complete disregard for boundaries,

23:46

rules, regulations.

23:47

Exactly. And that

23:50

visit was very short because it turned into

23:52

an argument. The argument ended with the

23:54

female kind of yelling at

23:56

Jeremy saying you tried to rape me. Was

23:58

she ever identified?

23:59

No. And I attempted

24:02

to, we have the means in our databases

24:04

to find connections between

24:07

people. And I can kind of map

24:09

out, kind of like genealogy. You can see who's

24:12

related to, not familial, but

24:14

you can see who's related to others via case

24:16

numbers and known associates.

24:19

And I couldn't determine who this female was.

24:22

So I have no follow-up. So

24:24

the only indication I have of

24:27

Jeremy having something other than this

24:29

moderate sedative is that he

24:31

was dosed willingly. He

24:33

smoked from the pipe. So marijuana,

24:36

that typically doesn't manifest

24:40

to

24:41

groping people, serial masturbation,

24:44

exposing yourself, that kind of thing. So

24:47

I start to believe this is probably a character

24:49

issue with Jeremy. It just happened

24:52

to be in a hospital, but he's probably a

24:54

jerk to everybody he knows.

24:55

So I've determined that

24:58

some unknown female provided

25:00

marijuana to Jeremy. I

25:02

asked Jeremy about smoking

25:04

marijuana and Jeremy, all

25:07

he says is somebody slipped me some drugs and

25:09

I said, well, who? And he says, that's all I've got to

25:11

say to you. I'm done. And

25:12

I confirmed with them, are you invoking

25:14

your right to remain silent? And he said, I

25:16

am.

25:17

Well, this interview is over. And I said, well,

25:19

let's start getting you dressed because you

25:22

got a new hotel to go to. I

25:24

called for a patrol officer. We put Jeremy

25:27

in a wheelchair and rolled him out

25:29

to a patrol car and helped

25:32

him get into the backseat. And I transported

25:34

Jeremy to jail. I charged Jeremy

25:36

with a sexual assault in the first degree. And

25:39

that charge is fairly substantial.

25:41

That charge is 75 months in prison

25:44

in my state. And you serve every day. And

25:46

you serve every day. That's an expensive

25:49

misbehavior issue. So I charged

25:52

Jeremy with sexual assault in the first

25:54

degree. I also charged Jeremy

25:56

with attempted sexual assault

25:59

for reaching out in the times

26:01

that he actually didn't make contact with Mary's

26:03

breast but attempted. I charge him

26:05

with attempted crimes. I also

26:07

charge him with indecent exposure

26:10

and disorderly conduct. Alarming, threatening,

26:13

or annoying behavior. Would you say

26:15

that we check some boxes there?

26:16

100% check, check, check.

26:18

And that disconnect charge

26:20

is kind of my parting fuck you to Jeremy.

26:23

Discond? Discond, disorderly conduct.

26:25

And Jeremy goes to

26:28

jail and his case involving

26:31

Mary is adjudicated. And

26:35

Jeremy took a guilty plea

26:37

for attempted sexual assault in the

26:39

first degree. That was a deal that was offered

26:41

to him.

26:41

So only the times he reached out

26:44

to try to grab Mary's breasts?

26:45

Yeah, in the actual completed

26:48

sexual assault where grabbing Mary's

26:51

crotch, I was like, I've

26:53

got a witness to this grabbing

26:56

of the crotch. I was like, that's going to be a home run. The

26:59

prosecutor, I think, rightly had

27:01

some concerns about sedatives

27:03

being administered, marijuana

27:06

that there would be some mitigating circumstances

27:09

around Jeremy's behavior that a jury

27:11

might be sympathetic to. I wasn't happy,

27:14

but I understand prosecutors

27:16

got a more difficult job than I do. They

27:18

have to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. So

27:22

Jeremy is given what we call a downward

27:25

departure on that sentence and

27:27

a downward departure or a suspended

27:29

sentence. All that means is you have

27:32

the sentence hanging over your head. However,

27:35

we are going to give you a second chance. You're

27:38

not going to go to prison. But if you

27:40

break the law, that suspended sentence

27:42

now becomes an active sentence and you're going to go

27:45

to prison and you're going to serve prison

27:47

time for what you would have gotten.

27:49

Do you have to be caught committing

27:52

the same crime that you're sentenced to

27:54

or let's say Jeremy gets a DUI?

27:57

Any crime. So any crime.

27:59

Any conviction will send Jeremy back

28:02

to prison.

28:02

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So after lodging Jeremy in

32:18

jail, I did some

32:20

digging on Jeremy and

32:22

I discovered some more alarming issues that

32:25

aren't sex abuse related.

32:29

Jeremy, several years prior to my

32:31

contact with him, he had a dog, kind of a mutt dog, but

32:34

it was a large dog. And Jeremy had trained this

32:37

dog using Spanish to

32:40

attack people. So Jeremy's got

32:42

a previous conviction on his record

32:44

and it's for second degree assault. And

32:47

that case is gonna make

32:50

you roll your eyes. Jeremy enticed two teenage

32:53

boys to

32:56

come into his backyard and

32:59

Jeremy shut the gate and

33:02

remained outside the fence and

33:05

gave his dog an attack command in Spanish.

33:08

And both these boys were

33:10

bitten very severely by

33:12

Jeremy's

33:13

dog. What the fuck? Horrible,

33:16

right? What is the point of that? I,

33:19

Like, is that sport? What is that innate

33:21

of? What, Pauls? What is it?

33:23

This is a very unusual

33:26

circumstance where he's using this

33:28

dog as a weapon. I'm not entirely

33:30

sure what to make of that in

33:32

terms of assessing Jeremy, especially

33:36

knowing we've got this sexual

33:38

assault aspect to him. This

33:41

is where he's enjoying watching

33:44

these boys being

33:46

under the attack of the dog, the injuries,

33:48

their fear. There's something

33:51

there that

33:53

is odd. You know, I wonder,

33:55

I mean, is it possible that maybe

33:58

Jeremy use these boys just to-

33:59

as a

34:01

training session to see if the dog would actually

34:03

do it? I had that thought, like,

34:05

is this like, hey, we've been training,

34:08

let me see if I can put it into

34:10

action. I did a little bit more digging about

34:12

this conviction, and I found a previous

34:15

police report that happened about a month prior

34:17

to these boys getting bitten, where

34:19

Jeremy had his dog on a leash and

34:22

was out in public in a store parking lot,

34:24

and Jeremy saw a female,

34:27

a total stranger. There's

34:29

no interaction, there's no argument or

34:31

anything, and Jeremy gives

34:33

his dog the attack command, and his dog

34:36

tries to attack this woman. And

34:39

you're just like, okay, now I've got

34:41

another pattern with the dog. We have the pattern

34:44

with masturbation. We

34:46

have multiple dog attacks.

34:48

This woman was able to fend off the dog

34:50

and was not injured. She did get jumped

34:53

on by this dog and was almost

34:55

bitten. Jeremy had his dog

34:57

taken away from him for a period of time,

35:00

and Jeremy went to jail for the first

35:02

dog attack on the female in the store parking

35:04

lot. The dog went to animal

35:07

control, and one attack

35:09

is not necessarily enough to say that it's a

35:11

vicious dog. I mean, if it's a horribly vicious

35:13

attack, that's one thing, but a

35:16

dog biting someone doesn't necessarily get

35:18

the dog flagged as a vicious dog. Certainly,

35:22

Jeremy would be unable to

35:24

claim, I don't know what my dog's capable

35:27

of, because Jeremy's taught

35:29

it

35:29

Spanish and taught it commands

35:32

to attack. And Jeremy's seen

35:34

it in action. Just for the sequence

35:36

of these two separate dog attacks,

35:40

was the woman before

35:42

the two boys? Yes, about a month

35:44

prior. And she's out there walking.

35:47

Were there potentially other people,

35:49

other, like, let's say men also present?

35:52

I don't know that.

35:53

But if she's at the grocery store, chances

35:55

are there's all kinds of people there, right? And

35:57

that's just what I'm wondering, if did he select?

36:00

her,

36:01

or was it just she was the

36:03

one opportunity? My belief

36:05

is that she was kind

36:08

of a target of opportunity, that she's

36:10

the only one around and he

36:12

targets this woman. There's

36:15

no way to say why. Like, how do you justify

36:17

that?

36:17

It's so intentional. It's so

36:20

vicious.

36:20

Jeremy is questioned by

36:23

an officer. When the two teenage

36:25

boys were attacked by Jeremy's dog, the officer

36:27

did quite a bit of follow-up, and

36:30

a lot of his follow-up was

36:32

just to defeat any alibi

36:34

or excuses that Jeremy had made during questioning.

36:37

And Jeremy claims, you

36:39

know, I didn't do anything to those

36:41

boys. I wasn't even present for the attack.

36:44

I was actually in jail when those boys were attacked.

36:47

And

36:48

that's what they get for breaking into my backyard.

36:51

And these boys were very

36:53

clear, like, no, he asked us, hey,

36:55

you guys want to come into my backyard? And then he closes

36:58

the door and sicks his dog on

37:00

them. It's very specific. So

37:03

this officer does some follow-up and goes,

37:05

oh no. Jeremy, you

37:07

had this previous incident in the store parking

37:09

lot with a woman. Your dog was taken

37:12

by animal control. The

37:14

day before the boys were attacked, Jeremy

37:16

and a friend go to animal control and

37:18

the dog is released back to him. Jeremy

37:21

picked his dog up from animal control. And

37:23

one day later, Jeremy is assaulting

37:27

the two boys with his dog. He's doing

37:29

it again. Right. So that's

37:31

the caliber of person we're talking about. I

37:34

mean, it's terrifying when you're getting bitten

37:36

by a dog. Absolutely terrifying.

37:38

Jeremy sounds like a sociopath to me.

37:41

Loves to see people in pain and in fear.

37:43

Yeah. I would say if he

37:46

is enjoying watching the boys

37:48

be attacked and the violence that's

37:51

being inflicted on them, in some

37:53

ways that's a sadistic act. He

37:55

likes that he's inflicting the

37:58

pain and watching their fear.

37:59

their response. I'm

38:02

still just kind of puzzled to see, well, what

38:04

was his intent moving forward

38:07

with this dog? You know, was he going to

38:09

be utilizing this dog to

38:11

maybe subdue a potential

38:14

victim? No idea, yeah. It's so bizarre.

38:17

So there's a peek into Jeremy's background.

38:20

The story's not over.

38:21

Jeremy got this suspended sentence for

38:24

his attack on Mary.

38:26

Jeremy was given, basically,

38:27

he's on supervision, and

38:31

he's got this suspended sentence hanging

38:33

over him. And he knows, Jeremy

38:35

knows, if I commit a crime, I'm

38:38

going. Did he do prison time for

38:40

the dog attack on the two teenage boys? Jeremy

38:43

did do prison time for the dog attack on

38:45

the teenage boys, and was only

38:47

out of prison a short time before

38:49

Jeremy is in the hospital to

38:52

get hip replacement.

38:53

So the case with Mary happened

38:56

after Jeremy gets out of prison.

38:59

I don't give Jeremy much thought until

39:02

I get a call from

39:04

an officer in our neighboring jurisdiction.

39:07

This detective named Rick that

39:09

Dan and I are very familiar with. Worked

39:11

a lot of cases with him. He's great to work with. Awesome

39:13

guy. Great guy. Hi, Rick. I know

39:15

you're listening. He does listen to the podcast.

39:17

Oh, hooray. Rick

39:20

says, hey, are

39:22

you familiar with this guy named Jeremy? And

39:25

I said, yeah, I'm very aware of that

39:27

guy. Well, he was a victim

39:29

of a robbery last night. And during

39:32

this robbery, Jeremy got roughed

39:34

up a little bit, including dislocating

39:36

his hip.

39:37

The one that was just replaced? Correct.

39:40

So Jeremy's having a tough day.

39:41

Rick looks at Jeremy's

39:44

past and comes across my

39:46

police report involving Mary.

39:50

And Rick

39:51

says,

39:53

we've got to take our victim to the hospital to

39:55

get treated for this dislocated hip. And

39:58

Rick reads my report.

39:59

and says, well, I'm not dropping him

40:02

off and leaving the hospital without

40:04

at least letting them know, be careful

40:06

around this guy. He has a thing for nurses,

40:08

you know? So Rick relays

40:11

the information to the nursing staff at

40:14

the other hospital in our city. So Jeremy

40:17

is admitted to a separate hospital.

40:19

He's in the emergency room and

40:22

it's

40:22

overnight. So

40:24

I come into work the following day. Rick

40:27

is giving me a heads up, hey, check

40:29

out this police report. And he just

40:31

refers me to his police report where Jeremy

40:34

was a victim of a robbery. And

40:36

I'm like, oh, too bad. And he goes, by

40:39

the way, I let them know about your past

40:41

case just so they have a heads up.

40:43

At this second hospital. Correct. And

40:46

I appreciated that.

40:48

Rick didn't have to do that. He didn't have to look

40:50

up my old case, but he did. Kind

40:53

of cop Rick is. Really liked working with him.

40:56

When you got a case from Rick, you're like, I

40:58

already know this is going to be well put together.

41:01

This is going to be a solid investigation.

41:04

Rick's one of those guys. When I learned

41:06

that Jeremy is probably still

41:09

at the emergency room at this new hospital, I

41:12

pick up the phone and I call the hospital and I say,

41:14

hey, this is Detective Dave. And

41:17

I was hoping to speak to like the charge

41:20

nurse or somebody who's in charge of

41:22

the ER to find out about

41:24

Jeremy. And this woman says, oh,

41:28

Jeremy, hang on

41:30

a second. I'll get you somebody to talk to.

41:32

And I speak to a shift

41:34

supervisor or somebody in

41:37

the ER. And that person, I

41:39

just asked, is Jeremy still in

41:41

the emergency room? And the person

41:43

I spoke to said, actually, he is. And

41:46

I said, just curious, what kind

41:48

of interactions have you had with Jeremy today?

41:51

And she says, well, let me tell you. And

41:54

I learned that Jeremy hasn't

41:56

learned

41:57

any lessons, that Jeremy

41:59

has.

41:59

has been a serial masturbator while

42:02

at this new hospital and

42:05

that they have already, within a few hours

42:07

of his admission to the ER, have

42:11

made it where only male nurses

42:13

are allowed into Jeremy's room.

42:15

Well, and think about this. I mean, he's

42:17

at the hospital with a dislocated

42:20

hip. I mean, this is a pretty serious

42:22

type of damage that's going

42:25

on to his body, and he's still masturbating

42:27

while his body is dealing with that? This

42:30

is a level of compulsion. Yeah,

42:32

and so I said, is

42:35

Jeremy getting discharged any time soon?

42:37

And they said, basically, we can't wait to

42:39

get him out of here. Yeah, we're going to be discharging

42:42

him. And I said, can you just delay that just a moment?

42:44

I'm going to be there in about five minutes.

42:47

And I grabbed Detective Justin,

42:49

and I say, hey, I got a project. Let's

42:52

go to the hospital. And Justin's like, let's go.

42:54

So Detective Justin, who's been on

42:56

the podcast before, he and I go to the hospital.

42:58

And it just so happens the officer

43:01

who transported Jeremy to

43:04

jail the first time I met Jeremy is

43:06

also working, Robert. So

43:09

Robert also offers, hey, I'd love

43:11

to join you guys. I want to meet

43:13

him again. So I've got

43:16

Detective Justin. I've got Officer

43:18

Robert, who's a longtime cop. And

43:21

they're both like, is this guy going to jail?

43:23

And I said, well, I don't know yet, but I cannot

43:26

wait because I know Jeremy has

43:28

this downward departure, suspended

43:30

sentence hanging over his head. That's right.

43:33

I stress to cops all the time. If you don't

43:35

get them today, trust me, they're

43:38

going to show up on a police report where you're going

43:40

to be able to get them in the future. So

43:42

we don't have to rush anything. Like I know I'm

43:44

going to meet Jeremy again. And so with

43:47

the masturbation, we've got some

43:49

indecency. Well, for private

43:51

or public indecency, I have to have

43:54

a

43:54

witness or a victim to this behavior.

43:56

The genitals have to be visible.

43:59

So I've had...

43:59

cases in the past where somebody gets called

44:02

in for a public indecency,

44:04

where they're masturbating but their hand

44:06

is down their pants, it's clear what they're doing

44:09

but no skin is visible. So

44:11

I can't get to that charge, which

44:14

is a weakness in that law. Like

44:16

if you're masturbating in public and it's very clear,

44:18

that should be a crime. Yes. But

44:21

it is disorderly conduct.

44:23

Disorderly conduct, alarming, threatening

44:25

or annoying behavior, I would say masturbating

44:28

in public would be one of those. So

44:30

Detective Justin, Robert and I arrive

44:33

at the hospital and I seek out the

44:35

nurse who reported this interaction

44:38

with Jeremy. Her name is Holly. Holly

44:40

is a 12 year registered nurse, six

44:44

years in our local area, previous

44:46

six years out on the East Coast

44:49

at a very notorious jail, Rikers

44:51

Island. Oh,

44:53

okay. Holly has

44:55

seen a lot. Holly has worked

44:57

with inmates before. She's worked in a correctional

44:59

setting and she admits,

45:01

I've been attacked by inmates before.

45:05

And I say, well, how was your interaction with

45:07

Jeremy today? And she says, well, let me tell you,

45:10

despite my past, I've never

45:12

been more terrified in a room

45:14

with a patient before as I am with this man

45:17

here, Jeremy.

45:18

And she said, it's not like I come from,

45:20

you know, a naive and soft

45:23

history. And she was

45:25

visibly shaken regarding

45:27

her interaction with Jeremy.

45:29

Do you think it was his utter

45:31

disregard for her feelings and

45:33

her request to make him stop or

45:37

is he physically imposing? I'm

45:39

curious about that. Cause if you've been a nurse at Rikers

45:42

Island, it seems you've seen a lot

45:44

and Jeremy is, I mean, he's a fucking

45:47

pig, but you know, he has

45:49

a broken hip.

45:50

Yeah. Jeremy is not physically

45:52

imposing. He has a very punchable

45:54

face, I would say. Jeremy

45:58

looks like he's an asshole.

45:59

Jeremy looks mean.

46:01

And I think this

46:03

nurse, Holly, probably

46:06

is fairly good at reading

46:08

people and her senses

46:11

were heightened around Jeremy.

46:14

I think she understands what

46:16

evil feels like when she's in the presence

46:18

of evil because of her past.

46:21

And I think she recognized this

46:23

is not a good person that I'm trying

46:25

to treat.

46:26

You know, I talk about Spidey sense. There's

46:28

an energy you pick up that you recognize.

46:31

There's something different about someone.

46:33

And you've been in those situations before and

46:36

just something about somebody

46:38

triggers a memory or a feeling

46:41

in you and you just recognize, this

46:43

is not good.

46:44

I totally get that. I truly believe

46:46

women have an intuition. You

46:48

know, probably it was something to help survive.

46:51

And if a woman is telling me this

46:54

guy is, I don't like him. I

46:56

think she's picking up on something that maybe I wouldn't

46:58

pick up on. Correct.

46:59

That's really true. It's only once in my life,

47:02

maybe twice, but one

47:04

that I can remember where this man

47:06

was a friend of a friend, they'd

47:09

been friends for ages. Everybody in that group

47:11

really liked this guy. And I'm like, this

47:14

is not a good guy. There's something really

47:16

dark and dangerous there. And they'd be like, Yardley,

47:19

come on. It's just blah, blah, blah, blah.

47:21

I'm like, nope, nope, not

47:23

okay.

47:24

And anybody who's listening out there

47:26

and you get that sense, listen to it.

47:28

Don't ignore it. Right. So

47:31

I speak with Holly and get

47:33

additional information. I wanna know, do I

47:35

have a crime today? And

47:38

Holly lets me know. Jeremy

47:40

got admitted a few hours prior

47:43

to her arrival at the hospital. Holly

47:46

went into Jeremy's room to apply

47:48

some cardiac monitoring pads

47:51

to Jeremy's chest. Holly says

47:53

while she's applying

47:54

these pads, Jeremy

47:56

had blankets all the way up to basically

47:58

his stomach area.

47:59

And she says, during the application

48:02

of these pads, she looks down and

48:04

now she sees Jeremy's fully

48:06

erect penis right there.

48:09

He's exposed. He's exposed. And

48:11

I said, would you say that he was sexually

48:14

aroused? And she said, absolutely. Like

48:16

she confirmed fully erect penis. I've

48:19

got my indecent exposure. So I'm

48:21

like, Jeremy's going. I

48:24

ask,

48:25

was there anything said between

48:27

Jeremy and you at the time

48:29

that Jeremy exposes his penis to you? And

48:31

Holly says, there's nothing said. But

48:34

Jeremy looked up at me with a, what

48:36

do you think about that type of look? When you

48:38

hear that, you're like, I can picture that. So

48:41

I'm like, all right, we're good. I've

48:43

got public indecency

48:45

and Jeremy's probably going to prison.

48:49

So I go to Jeremy's room. Jeremy

48:52

sees me,

48:53

drops his head. I said, do you remember

48:55

me, Jeremy? And he says, yep. I

48:57

said, well, it looks like

48:59

we got to talk again. And I'm fully expecting

49:02

him to invoke his right

49:04

to remain silent. That's our past interaction.

49:07

But Jeremy's talkative.

49:09

And I asked Jeremy a series

49:11

of questions, just basically enough

49:14

to check the boxes. I wasn't going to belabor

49:16

this interview. I already know I own him.

49:19

Dead to rights, Jeremy's in deep shit.

49:21

So I advise Jeremy

49:24

of Miranda. Jeremy's willing to speak.

49:26

I say, hey, I just spoke to a female

49:28

nurse here.

49:29

And what do you think she had to tell me?

49:31

And Jeremy's kind of like nonplussed.

49:34

Like I have no idea what she would tell

49:36

you. And I said, well, Jeremy,

49:39

this nurse says that you exposed yourself. Can

49:42

you explain that? And I said, is she lying?

49:44

And Jeremy says, she has no reason

49:46

to lie about that.

49:47

But I don't remember doing that. And

49:51

I said, well, what kind of drugs

49:53

or medication are you

49:55

on, Jeremy? And I'm thinking methamphetamine.

49:59

I'm thinking

49:59

and marijuana and Jeremy says, well,

50:02

nothing, other than

50:04

whatever the hospital gave me. So

50:07

I later on check Jeremy's

50:09

discharge paperwork and he's been given a

50:11

quote, moderate sedative, which

50:14

matches up with what he was given his

50:16

previous time at the other hospital. I

50:19

asked nursing staff later, hey,

50:21

what kind of behavior issues does

50:23

this moderate sedative give

50:26

patients? And they said, oh, it's

50:28

basically for pain. We've

50:30

never seen anybody like go sideways with

50:32

it. And we noticed that when

50:35

we made it where only male nurses

50:37

could go into Jeremy's room, we weren't having

50:39

any issues. It was only when female

50:42

nurses were in Jeremy's room. And I'm like, okay,

50:45

once again. So in speaking with

50:47

Jeremy, I said,

50:49

you're a man, you have a wife, a sister, a mother,

50:52

et cetera. How would you feel if

50:55

they were working in a nursing setting and

50:58

they came home and told you that some male

51:01

patient had shown

51:03

his erect penis to them? And

51:05

he said, I'd beat the shit out of him. I'm

51:09

like, that's a great statement. Like, awesome.

51:11

I asked, Jeremy,

51:14

do you know the difference between right and

51:16

wrong? Like I'm speaking to a child

51:19

and he says, yes, I know the difference between

51:21

right and wrong. And I said, well

51:23

then why are you exposing yourself to

51:27

a nurse again?

51:28

Why am I here? And he goes, because

51:31

I'm fucking stupid. And

51:34

then he lawyers up.

51:36

Wow. He really is stupid.

51:38

He lawyered up after making that statement. He

51:41

is stupid. I know you dug into his past.

51:43

He found the dog stuff. Was there any

51:45

other law enforcement contacts,

51:48

you know, exhibitionism, anything

51:50

like that in his past? I couldn't find

51:52

any of that. Or violence? No,

51:55

other than sicking dogs on kids. I

51:57

don't have

51:58

any explanation.

51:59

I don't know why Jeremy's

52:02

doing what he's doing. His past is

52:04

what I've painted it out to be. This issue

52:06

with the boys and the dog, the first time

52:08

I ever meet Jeremy at the hospital and then this

52:11

occasion. I don't know where it's coming from. So

52:14

Jeremy looked at me and said, so what's gonna happen? And I

52:16

said, you're going to jail. And he screamed,

52:19

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52:21

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53:11

So Jeremy

53:12

is placed under arrest at the

53:14

hospital. We roll him out to the car,

53:17

transport him back to our municipal

53:19

jail. And he's lodged for

53:21

a misdemeanor count of public indecency.

53:24

Which is the thing that's gonna trigger

53:27

the suspended sentence, no longer suspended,

53:29

you're going to jail.

53:30

Correct. So at our jail,

53:33

we have female nurses that

53:36

work medical calls in the

53:38

jail. So I had to go warn them, hey, by the

53:41

way, this guy is gonna

53:43

be lodged at the jail, and you guys need

53:45

to be very, very careful around Jeremy.

53:48

And I don't have any reported issues

53:51

about Jeremy doing anything. I think it's probably

53:53

because they always had a male correction

53:56

officer, probably present during any

53:59

sort of interaction.

53:59

interaction with the nursing staff. So

54:02

the day following Jeremy's arrest, I

54:04

get a call from parole and probation and

54:07

it's Jeremy's probation officer.

54:10

And I've worked with her on many

54:13

cases and she says, is

54:15

it true? Like I

54:17

got your report, is it really true? And

54:20

I said, oh yeah, I know he's

54:22

got this suspended sentence and she says, yes,

54:24

he does. And now he's gonna serve it.

54:27

And like, hey, let's get this guy

54:29

to where he belongs.

54:30

And had she had any attempted

54:32

sexual encounters with him? I don't

54:35

have any indication that Jeremy was speaking

54:37

to his PO like he speaks

54:39

to nurses. She's got too

54:41

much power over him.

54:42

I guess so, but you would think that

54:44

if the compulsion was that strong, he wouldn't

54:46

be able to control the impulse to

54:49

select his victims in that way.

54:50

Well, I do wonder

54:52

about outside of the hospital,

54:55

what his activities are out

54:58

there in just the world. It

55:01

seems like he's gonna be the

55:03

guy that's walking up and down the aisles

55:05

in a grocery store, looking at women

55:07

and masturbating.

55:08

Why wouldn't he be? Right, unless

55:10

there is a fantasy he has

55:12

about nurses, which he is now

55:14

living his fantasy by being in the hospital.

55:18

Obviously the first case with Mary and

55:20

the number of incidents that

55:22

were occurring then, and

55:24

then to

55:26

be so stupid to just

55:28

do the exposure at the second

55:31

hospital where now he's looking at prison

55:33

time, it really just underscores.

55:36

I think he lives his life in

55:38

this space. I don't think it's just

55:41

in the hospital. He only got caught

55:43

in the hospital doing this type of crime.

55:45

Absolutely agree. You know a lot more

55:47

about this than I do, Dave, just because of your

55:50

experience, not because of, I was gonna say,

55:52

you as a person. I was the

55:54

patrol officer who responded to

55:56

a indecent exposure one

55:59

time at a.

56:00

And this particular guy, he

56:03

had never been in this salon before. This

56:05

woman is cutting his hair. She's like, it was

56:08

odd because most of my clients are

56:10

regulars. I see him all the time and

56:12

I'd never seen this guy before. And he was a

56:14

walk-in. And she

56:16

said that as she was cutting his hair,

56:19

she's concentrating on his hair and his head. And

56:22

he is looking up at her trying to

56:24

make eye contact with her. So much so

56:26

that she's like, hey, you gotta tilt your head

56:29

forward so I can cut your hair. But

56:31

he keeps doing it. And then she notices

56:33

the up and down under the apron. So

56:37

she is horrified and she's

56:39

terrified at the same time because she's in

56:41

the salon by herself. And

56:44

so she's got him facing toward the mirror. And

56:46

she's like, I know he's gonna keep doing that.

56:49

I just wanna cut his hair and get him out of here.

56:52

She turns the chair around

56:55

so he can't see the mirror that's in front of

56:57

him. And she waits for him to

56:59

do it again. And he actually

57:00

at one point had lifted the

57:03

cape to expose his groin and

57:05

she took a photo. Oh wow. Oh. She

57:08

took a photo and he scrambles

57:10

out of the chair

57:12

and runs away. Well, I

57:14

got him on surveillance video and

57:16

we were able to identify

57:19

him. I went to his house and

57:21

was like, hey, we need to go have chat.

57:23

And I brought him down to the station and detective

57:26

Jeff, Dave's mentor when he first

57:28

began his career, Jeff interviewed

57:30

this guy. This guy had to know that there

57:32

was a photo out there, but he denied,

57:34

denied, denied. And then Jeff kind

57:37

of sprung the trap on him and said, you know, she

57:39

took a photo of you, right? I've

57:41

dealt with more of these

57:44

public indecency violators than

57:47

I remember a lot of them.

57:50

There's a common thread. There's

57:51

a couple of these guys that I've gotten

57:53

reports where their name comes across

57:56

my desk once every six or

57:58

seven months. And.

57:59

when you contact them, they

58:02

say, well, I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't

58:04

do that or it's denials.

58:07

And one of these guys, I remember

58:09

him in particular, I said, why do you think you

58:11

keep landing on my desk? Why do people

58:13

keep reporting you specifically

58:17

as a person who's masturbating out in public

58:19

or exposing themselves? And he says, man,

58:21

I don't know. I said, do you know how

58:23

many times my name's been on a police report

58:25

where I was reportedly masturbating in public?

58:28

And he looked at me like expectantly, like you

58:30

two? And I said, zero.

58:34

Zero times, man. You keep

58:37

getting called in as a serial masturbator.

58:40

And this guy's like, they're lying. I

58:42

would never do that. But where there's smoke, there's

58:44

fire, right? It's not a mistake that you're getting

58:46

identified. This guy came to my

58:49

attention because he was a suspect.

58:51

We were having

58:51

sex workers being killed. And

58:53

they're being picked up off of a prime stroll

58:55

area in the east end of the county. And

58:58

so there is a lot of enhanced

59:00

patrol as well as a lot of vice

59:03

stings going on. And this

59:05

guy, huge man, 6'3", to 6'5", over 300 pounds. Patrol

59:11

is literally finding this guy sitting

59:13

in his car. He's naked,

59:16

completely coated in Vaseline. And he's

59:18

masturbating, watching the sex workers

59:21

apply

59:21

their trade. And he was caught multiple

59:24

times. He just kept doing it. This

59:26

shows that compulsion. He

59:28

knows patrols out there. To this

59:30

day, I can't say he's eliminated

59:32

from the homicides. And this is where when

59:35

you do have

59:36

your exhibitionist or

59:38

somebody like a Jeremy or

59:40

the guy in the barber chair, that

59:43

victim doesn't know that's gonna be the only thing

59:45

he's gonna do. This could be a preamble

59:48

to the next step that he's going to do. He's

59:51

gearing up. Some of these guys are going

59:53

to take the next step. Right.

59:55

They have to because they're not getting the

59:58

same stimulus out of it.

59:59

They escalate and they escalate

1:00:02

until, you know, next thing it's touching

1:00:04

someone. I mean, we all know how this progresses

1:00:06

and ultimately people are getting

1:00:08

raped and murdered. And that's

1:00:11

why if you see something out there,

1:00:13

listener, you notice somebody doing this out

1:00:16

in public,

1:00:17

call the police. Cause we recognize

1:00:19

that it's a huge red flag. It is.

1:00:22

And just going back to these nurses, just

1:00:25

in general, I was asking questions like,

1:00:28

do you guys deal with this kind of crap often?

1:00:30

And they're like, well, not to this degree, but you'd

1:00:33

be surprised at how rude, how handsy. You'd

1:00:37

be surprised at what we actually put

1:00:39

up with in here for us to actually call the

1:00:41

police means it's so

1:00:44

far out that we finally

1:00:46

were like, well,

1:00:47

the only way to handle this is to get a police

1:00:49

officer involved. And I said, well, you're aware,

1:00:51

you don't have to put up with this shit. And they're like, well,

1:00:53

it's just kind of goes with the job. Nurses

1:00:57

are some of the greatest

1:00:59

people that we meet in our job.

1:01:02

They're there to help you. They're doing

1:01:04

work I couldn't do because the

1:01:07

first time somebody pulled shit like Jeremy, I'd

1:01:09

have been like, you're done. I'm done taking care

1:01:11

of you. And they just tolerate it. So

1:01:14

I told each hospital, I

1:01:17

said, if you guys ever have anything

1:01:20

remotely offensive, anything

1:01:23

that bothers you, call us. We'll come out

1:01:25

and handle it. And they were like,

1:01:27

yeah, I mean, this is the first time I've ever

1:01:29

called the police in my 20 years.

1:01:31

I hope it's the last.

1:01:32

Right, but I was surprised at how much

1:01:35

nurses, hospital staff, doctors,

1:01:37

how much crap they have to deal with. And

1:01:41

they just do it because they're professionals and

1:01:43

they say, yeah, kind of goes with

1:01:45

the job.

1:01:46

These are people on their worst day. Right.

1:01:49

It's not unlike what you all do. Yeah, and I

1:01:51

just, I'm like, call

1:01:53

us. I would love to come out and deal

1:01:56

with each person that

1:01:58

violates

1:01:59

your sense of... I want to deal with

1:02:01

him. So feel free to call. At the very

1:02:03

least, it's going to be a counseling session.

1:02:06

Exactly. You are on the borderline of committing

1:02:08

some crimes and you need to be aware of that if

1:02:10

you aren't already.

1:02:11

You the offending patient. Yeah,

1:02:14

and what I loved about my old partner,

1:02:16

Jeff, he used to have this phrase, he

1:02:18

would say like,

1:02:19

I'm going to go crawl up into this guy's face, which

1:02:21

means I'm confronting this asshole because

1:02:24

nobody else has. And Jeff

1:02:26

was really good at it. Jeff was an imposing figure

1:02:29

with a deep, deep voice and

1:02:31

a command presence when he's in a room. And

1:02:35

I used to love watching Jeff

1:02:37

interact with sex offenders. Jeff

1:02:40

knows that group so well because

1:02:42

he investigated sex crimes and child

1:02:44

abuse for over 20 years of his career. Like

1:02:48

an exceptional career. I couldn't do it that long.

1:02:50

Frankly, I don't think most people could do it

1:02:52

that long. I don't think most people could last a

1:02:54

day on that particular law enforcement

1:02:57

assignment. Dave, before

1:02:59

we go, did

1:03:00

Jeremy end up getting the full 75 months

1:03:03

of his downward departure sentence? Because

1:03:06

that was going to be the

1:03:08

price he had to pay if he committed

1:03:10

another crime like this.

1:03:11

No, because it was an

1:03:13

attempted, he pled to attempted sexual

1:03:16

abuse in the first degree. So he wouldn't have

1:03:18

been

1:03:19

eligible for this 75 months. It would have

1:03:21

been probably half of that. So

1:03:23

Jeremy went to prison for a period

1:03:25

of time and I did

1:03:27

a little digging on him today and

1:03:30

Jeremy's deceased. Oh. Yeah.

1:03:33

I looked for an obituary trying to

1:03:35

figure out how did Jeremy die?

1:03:37

Where did he die? Was it in custody?

1:03:40

I don't know. I don't have those answers. So

1:03:43

kind of a quick wrap up, sorry, but

1:03:46

it is what it is.

1:03:47

I'm always surprised to hear that a suspect is

1:03:49

dead when nothing in the story

1:03:51

indicates that they're going to die.

1:03:54

You know what I mean? I think maybe

1:03:56

part of that is because you're sitting down with us right

1:03:58

now telling us this story.

1:03:59

So Jeremy and

1:04:02

his crimes feel

1:04:04

really immediate. So yeah, that

1:04:06

is abrupt. But at least he's not

1:04:09

out wreaking havoc and exposing

1:04:11

himself. Dave, as

1:04:14

always, I love it when you bring us

1:04:16

a case. You guys

1:04:18

are the best, the A-Team. There's just nothing

1:04:20

better.

1:04:21

Thank you for everything for your service

1:04:24

as a sex crimes and child abuse detective

1:04:27

and for being one of the best

1:04:29

co-hosts a co-host could

1:04:31

ever ask for.

1:04:32

My pleasure. Good job, bro. Twin.

1:04:35

Yeah, thanks, Dave.

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