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Number one, the stories are as

6:03

real as they get. Insanely real.

6:05

Every detail is real. Number

6:07

two, we're stand-up comics. We're gonna

6:09

make jokes. It's how

6:12

we operate in life, and it's how we get through

6:14

things. And for us,

6:16

I think that makes the dark stuff a little bit more

6:18

palatable at that point. I don't want to hear anybody

6:21

darkly, and then he cut her head off. That almost,

6:23

that sounds creepy. I like, let's try

6:25

to lighten it up a little bit. But we don't make

6:27

jokes. Thing we do, we don't make jokes about the victim

6:30

or the victim's family. Why, James?

6:32

Because we're assholes. Yeah, but? But

6:35

we're not scumbags. So that's how

6:37

that works, definitely here. Yeah, there's

6:39

a lot to make fun of

6:41

besides... Sure. The murder itself

6:43

is never funny, but the stuff around it

6:45

of, I think I can get away with

6:47

murder. That's hilarious. Right. That's wild. There you

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6:54

What do you say here? Sit back. Let's

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Shut up,

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We're going to North Carolina. North

7:36

Dakota, everybody. North to Carolina. North

7:38

to Carolina. You'd have to be

7:40

in Florida or somewhere like that.

7:42

This is in southeastern North

7:45

Dakota. Okay. North Dakota. Not

7:47

a lot going on there. No? This

7:49

is a hard state. This is like our fourth

7:51

or fifth North Dakota episode we've ever done. That's

7:54

how few and far between because they don't

7:56

even have a lot of murders And the murders

7:58

they do have are in like the one. That he

8:00

they had so if we just we just

8:02

were in South Dakota. is that true Were

8:04

while back yard South Dakota leave us know

8:07

if you more but it's still it's it's

8:09

rough go out there there Montana Wyoming difficult

8:11

to my murders my at Wyoming has like

8:13

twelve murders a year and all states opposite

8:15

right? Yeah most of them are not not

8:18

like show where the email that interesting of

8:20

a pre sale or anything south there's only

8:22

so I chose every week Not god jesus

8:24

Phoenix had a big of pick an area

8:26

of Phoenix and that allows Zola. This is

8:28

about an hour to Fargo. And. About

8:31

two hours to Bismarck, North Dakota which

8:33

was our last North Dakota episode. Episode

8:35

Four twelve the Bloody Basement Breakfast Club

8:37

which was on us how the kids

8:40

hanging out at the scum house there

8:42

and then this is in Barnes County

8:44

area filled seven or one moto. Here

8:46

are more like a nickname says the

8:48

City of Bridges. Oh.

8:51

Well I think Pittsburgh as I haven't drank

8:53

vs there. I think they're done as it

8:55

is over yesterday as any incentive for just

8:57

a sit. yeah they will drive you isn't

9:00

loss of all to not drive in Pittsburgh.

9:02

The holy shit There's a lot of bridges

9:04

like you know, whatever. java when. oh yeah,

9:06

didn't notice all the bridges. It's and partner

9:09

like eight, eight away from each other. You

9:11

could jump from one bridge. her next. in

9:13

Pittsburgh I'm like Godzilla name places that have

9:15

risen. Every street crosses the river, it's in

9:18

the game. It's so weird. South I history

9:20

here. This. City was established and eighteen

9:22

at Seventy four. Valley City was how

9:24

they built a railroad station south. Now

9:27

it's a place. That's a

9:29

to had to do. The town was originally

9:31

named Worthington. I am after the

9:33

town's promoter I as to how come

9:36

on over to this town. We got

9:38

a railroad non english is may have

9:40

a at a Vince Mcmahon there and

9:42

all all jacked I am running all

9:45

affects the subject nord the Colorado River.

9:47

ah come on take your shirt off

9:49

let's see what he does. Morning radio

9:51

and neighboring might have sex with the

9:54

I have says let's see those packs

9:56

are babies services to promote her promoter

9:58

George Worthington. The it's in

10:00

a valley. Seven Eight Assange of the

10:02

Valley said he makes it nice and

10:05

easy. They had a post office named

10:07

Worthington and Eighteen Seventy Four. but then

10:09

they change it to Valley City and

10:11

Eighteen Seventy Eight. That's what they have

10:13

been here. They opened the a Carnegie

10:15

Library because there was a bunch of

10:17

Carnegie library schools. Where. Others these

10:19

yeah they donated a bunch of money

10:21

to build a bunch of libraries. Yeah

10:23

when you're at or s he know

10:25

yet I agree that money somewhere need

10:27

some write offs? I would imagine if

10:30

you're if you're a robber barons. is

10:32

your literally a robber baron like here?

10:34

Take all your shit from you, sit

10:36

on oscillating man because there's Carnegie Hall

10:38

and then there's ah, the guy Carnegie.

10:40

So a what the fuck, how are

10:42

we pronounce and your name sir At

10:44

So I think we all just decided

10:46

that I were assigned ago a national.

10:49

That were gone Carnegie we're not going as

10:51

we're not going to hit your emphasis if

10:53

you're going Massive locally consists of you can

10:55

push people but once you get out in

10:57

the sticks very gets it is what it

10:59

as the developing about it and posts you

11:01

can bully. They began a few that refs

11:04

like listen again civil yeah it's Carnegie thank

11:06

you were once it's once you talking about

11:08

people in North Dakota their last Carnegie and

11:10

that's what it is that I don't know

11:12

if Mcgregor I a sales call it the

11:14

odds good ah Carnegie Mellon is that right

11:17

is that this is is that the. I

11:19

don't have as up same per cent in college.

11:22

Big. I mean I I guess that he

11:24

donated so many endowment do all is

11:26

so maybe that makes sense. I am

11:28

anyone by Danny were Carnegie Library open

11:30

and nineteen o three. And.

11:32

Ah through the upper efforts of a local

11:34

women's organization called The Tuesday Club. They.

11:37

Got a library here. Are. So

11:39

are we were paying interest

11:41

this Tuesday's Or. and I'd

11:43

read the inception of the

11:45

nation's first Barber Association. Occurs.

11:48

Hourly rates during a state barber

11:50

contention: skintight Chino night every bar

11:52

vs in every barber there they

11:54

formed his associates I guess to

11:56

so you could be that way.

11:58

You know if the. Rose app

12:00

decent if he was after he for the

12:02

associate good fight or licensing I can imagine

12:04

all yet bear Barbara lions of the background

12:07

in your head up I've destroy your had

12:09

which is neat as and I are bring

12:11

in my family so that's a nice have

12:13

one famous person from here and that's Peggy

12:15

Lee. Yellows daily.

12:18

Oh is an old country lady. Will.

12:20

Countries I hadn't really like the forties or

12:22

something. Sloths? I don't know. We'll get to

12:24

it when and we get our things to

12:27

do because there's a nice day South and

12:29

Co. Find out a reviews of this town.

12:31

Let's find out here: Five stars. Valley.

12:33

City as a nice town to live in. Case.

12:37

It is close to many lakes for fishing

12:39

and other recreational activities. Yeah, that's what you

12:42

do up there. Some odd outdoor you going

12:44

to fry save that five star review. and

12:46

just when, spend time with your kids and

12:48

stuff because that seems. It

12:51

is a nice town. It's close to lakes

12:53

for fit. We get that there's fission Lakes

12:55

and we know as a town is located

12:57

so we didn't need your help. There are

13:00

four stars and want opinions? Not yeah I'll

13:02

give me some the objectives there's some the

13:04

to on four stars. Being a Minnesotan I

13:06

am in love with North Dakota. Whether. That's

13:09

the only time anyone's ever said

13:11

that exists now and intense. Winter

13:13

is great. Exclamation point line sense:

13:16

Winter is great. I love it

13:18

when it's thirty eight below zero

13:20

lock in Ot lizards are beautiful

13:22

of it gets so far below

13:24

zero there it is disturbing how

13:26

far below zero it as. It's

13:29

like this, in danger and a soda.

13:31

I see a like I could die

13:34

here. If you're outside too long you

13:36

will die. That's dangerous. calm, It's not

13:38

good. although I am definitely a minority

13:40

in this thinking I love the weather

13:42

in my area. The only problem is

13:44

the subzero temperatures will let you don't

13:46

love the antennas Windsor for fast. He

13:48

said that's intense winter when as one

13:50

that says normal winter that's five. That

13:52

and and I look I love coals.

13:54

I I'm a big fan of Windsor

13:56

and with them to about him and

13:58

then a man. Anymore. When I can't

14:01

when I turned my Sos it on

14:03

and nothing comes out of, that's who

14:05

filed up a system of i'm okay

14:07

with above fifteen or below about at.

14:10

About. Eighty Two: About eighty three degrees, I

14:12

started to get a little grumpy. That sort

14:14

of waters not happening at. Know.

14:17

Now wow, but you get used to

14:19

it after a while or you could

14:21

move someplace that doesn't have zero. That's

14:23

another option. I here's two stars. In

14:26

my opinion, There. Are only two

14:28

good eat out joints in town would say

14:30

Hilarious Way to say that. Grouse.

14:33

To good eat out joints, I go to

14:35

others I'm like and I went down on

14:37

a few broad, but it wasn't when I

14:40

was expecting half these two. And the other

14:42

hand, the top notch five stars to the

14:44

two stars without five stars for eat out

14:46

joints. Of tangy. I

14:48

liked that you know what the eat out

14:50

joints are called he tells us in the

14:53

next hour when I was a pizza. Rants.

14:55

Pizza rants. To. Us were a

14:57

slab you ever to pizza coming from a

14:59

rants. Ever see

15:01

a big fat guy named Tony gonna come

15:04

over my ransom in cook up a couple

15:06

of pies and a barbecue? That's never happened

15:08

before. Smokey A couple of buys know more

15:10

about a server. See the guy on a

15:13

horse? Go! I doubt bugs come on over

15:15

for some damn nice bought states pizza night.

15:17

yeah I've never heard of and and I'm

15:20

now I y'all it's defeats a nice. it's

15:22

it's it's it's as com the Reds Pizza

15:24

Ranch and City Lights supper club which sounds

15:26

fancy. Yes, As a young

15:28

put a tie on the go there other

15:30

than these two restaurants that aren't any high

15:33

quality or fancy restaurants to eat. Pizza.

15:35

Ranch is considered a high quality fancy

15:37

restaurant that. It's

15:39

Valentine's Day baby. put your best dress

15:41

are taken viewed as a pizza. rants about

15:44

you at what the hell is happening.

15:47

Of I am under the age of twenty

15:49

one, so I cannot comment on the bars

15:51

and town. Although there are roughly sixty eight

15:53

bars in town, I have not been to

15:55

any of these. Six to

15:57

eight bars and we got to.

16:00

The crowd to restaurants they are

16:02

had their male rosa don't allow

16:04

com is the effects of her

16:06

Priorities are in honor of you

16:08

were out There is a pretty

16:10

good variety of variety and valley

16:12

city for restaurants but still. I

16:14

usually traveled to Fargo for my

16:16

favorite restaurants. Worth an

16:18

hour drive to. Stars We have as many

16:20

bars as we do churches. That can

16:22

see how to keep it even. Celiac. Evens

16:24

out your manas Yes, we have

16:26

to chain restaurants and are supposedly

16:29

adding a third. Oh my,

16:31

There's no a guy that

16:33

had a mature or this

16:35

person here one star. There

16:37

are virtually no tourist attractions.

16:40

Yes, North Dakota. North

16:43

Dakota as one of the least visited tourist

16:45

destinations because of our lack of attractions are

16:47

destined eight. Yeah, obviously on I'm in the

16:49

states when our hub. People. Go

16:51

to North Dakota for the outdoor shit.

16:54

They'll go there for anything has. Look

16:56

at gently as the largest attraction is

16:58

five hours from our local area and

17:00

located in the western part of the

17:02

state. The only close attraction is thirty

17:04

miles away and it's the world's largest

17:06

buffalo and three albino buffalo's. And.

17:09

One day those won't be there are now are going

17:11

to ride and authors that austin or they slashed. On

17:14

a panda know buffalo's wander thought they

17:16

look around by knows. They. Can't

17:18

last out in the sun by ourselves.

17:20

I feel like they're probably styles buffalo

17:22

roam that's then as I remember how

17:24

the buffalo roam and eminent as they

17:26

move around away as I don't they

17:29

roam. Who are who? They move around

17:31

here by people with sound population six

17:33

thousand and five eighty six which says

17:35

that he's like a lot. Seems like

17:37

a lot but there's nothing around it.

17:39

It's zag. These towns are plugged in

17:41

the middle of nowhere on my way

17:43

southern Norway. The next things in our

17:45

over others I've on are people trying

17:47

to make it. Yeah, I love it.

17:49

There's a college here too, so that's our

17:51

town of why there's even that many people.

17:53

Me, I do more males and females actually,

17:55

which is not normal. A median age is

17:58

a couple years above the average, with. The

18:00

Great: It's about forty. A lot of

18:02

people eighteen to twenty years old here

18:04

because of the college, I assume the

18:06

only way of ads that like a

18:08

very high percentage of the people are

18:10

only forty one percent married, which is

18:12

under the national average. Your race in

18:14

the Steam. It's North Dakota at a

18:16

given guess. That. Pretty easily on.

18:18

Ninety one percent White one point

18:20

three percent black, point eight percent

18:22

A's and one point eight percent

18:24

Native American two point five percent

18:26

Hispanic religion in this town, much

18:28

higher than the national averages. about

18:30

fifty fifty. Here it's sixty four

18:33

percent. So bright. And the vast

18:35

majority. I mean by a long

18:37

shot, Thirty four percent are Lutherans.

18:39

Is that right? It is Lutherans,

18:41

Lutherans, and more Lutherans up there

18:43

south. Yeah, Zero point where urges

18:45

as it was asked the acid

18:47

Minnesota. The same way Lutherans up there

18:49

and other end up dead gorgeous. Yeah,

18:51

that's right. Have them Women's Lutheran Gun

18:53

Club and all I can is it

18:56

in this town. Here are last election

18:58

Barnes County I should say thirty two

19:00

point seven percent are Democrats Sixty four

19:02

point one percent Republican three point two

19:04

percent Independent Unemployment rate here is under

19:06

four percent south, so not bad. I

19:09

would say I'm median household income here

19:11

though is less than the national average

19:13

about fifty four thousand dollars that fifteen

19:15

thousand and under the national average. But.

19:17

Cost of Living Good news? Hell yeah.

19:20

Pretty low. average is a hundred here

19:22

at seventy five. So yeah, not bad

19:24

at housing now. Median home cost Here

19:26

median home cost is a one hundred

19:29

sixty. Three thousand four hundred bucks. Fuck

19:31

and great. What's is pretty damn affordable

19:33

and dollar stretches if you don't mind

19:35

of intense winter and you are just

19:38

had your and they have Idol Sutton

19:40

from the Pizza Ranch we had over

19:42

a year. Water you don't need it,

19:44

we have for you. the Valley City

19:47

North. Dakota Real Estate

19:49

Reports. The

19:57

average two bedroom rental here goes.

20:00

About eight hundred fifty bucks a month

20:02

which is well cheaper than that of

20:04

lab. or that's not bad. Here is

20:06

a two bedroom, one bath, seventeen hundred

20:08

sixty square foot house. It's kind of

20:10

ugly. I mean it's not big for

20:12

to one of the gas gets gets

20:14

of the decent living space. Need some

20:17

work inside zone or to be updated.

20:19

It's like I said, it's how you

20:21

look at. He got nothing to be

20:23

that excited about But the price of

20:25

it here a young family are some

20:27

that have ninety three thousand five hundred

20:29

bucks doable. Za that's what I mean. You

20:32

can work on it as ago. If you're

20:34

looking for something just outdated that's Oscars. A

20:36

three bedroom free bath T ball for each

20:38

and every be hall cellular Two thousand and

20:40

two are two hundred twenty five square feet.

20:42

It's a nice house or my only complaint

20:44

about it. It's built my Chino six which

20:46

is nice. I have like nice old would

20:48

work. they didn't tear down the moldings and

20:51

shit like that which is cool. Only thing

20:53

I would say as it's crammed into this

20:55

little neighborhood where you don't really have a

20:57

lot of room, you're kind on top of

20:59

the next. House for yards are right

21:01

on top of each other's There's no

21:03

I moved to North Dakota. I want

21:05

some space like and there's no other

21:08

reason to live there. Legacy Want some

21:10

space? We can open enough a little

21:12

for sure. Yeah, it's not bad though.

21:14

It's nice inside. Too much wallpaper for

21:16

my taste, but that's okay. Two hundred,

21:18

sixty five thousand bucks, which is still

21:21

right, well under the national average. Pretty

21:23

pretty decent here. Then here's five bedroom,

21:25

two bath, thirty one hundred four square

21:27

feet. It's on an acre. I'm. It's

21:30

nice. It's big I guess is

21:32

not bad. I'm not that spectacular

21:34

either though. It's nothing that you're

21:36

like oh my God look at

21:38

this amazing thing. It's it's nice. But

21:40

I five hundred twenty four thousand

21:42

nine hundred bucks Raza Oh that's

21:44

why Major cel over to bring a

21:46

god Look at this amazing thing.

21:48

It's it's nice. But I five hundred

21:51

twenty four thousand nine hundred bucks

21:53

Rapper Oh that's why acre cel over

21:55

debris Bear with not bad only

21:57

an age of only an acre

21:59

lot. The thing and not like

22:01

any library phrase, these things to

22:04

do here. Okay, here's the big

22:06

one. The North Dakota Wintershall. It's

22:10

in March so it's tail and the winter

22:12

but in there that's still pretty went. Are

22:14

we gonna get outside? We been inside all

22:16

saw get out with inside for six months.

22:19

It's up to about fourteen outside so we

22:21

should really had on out on them. party,

22:23

get out there, move around or the North

22:25

Dakota Winter Show is home to the oldest

22:28

and longest running agriculture show in North Dakota.

22:30

Tonight it has held every March and

22:33

tracks exhibitors and visitors from numerous states

22:35

as well as Canada. And.

22:37

Show. Features a rodeo. Country

22:41

concert, livestock shows, a craft

22:43

show, an old time tractor

22:45

pull, In March and old

22:47

is that with horses and old times

22:49

Reactor post here vs consistent since two

22:51

guys up there bonus or uses get

22:54

out there and grab a hold of

22:56

a tractor and polo as early as

22:58

two guys on it was a leather

23:00

straps are other ways as others as

23:02

Israel or three stage entertainment. Slap on

23:04

be great. Nazca would be wonderful. I

23:06

have their their schedule as they I

23:09

kicked off here. They have a kick

23:11

off concert on Saturday March second with

23:13

East and Corbyn. Yeah. Well

23:16

as a gang of those names in big

23:18

letters I forgot that even when oh, he

23:20

has ah, Mattel. but. No.

23:22

Idol or Mcnally I'm not sure

23:24

else. And Zach Thomas. Their.

23:27

Own together those a guy from the

23:29

from the Bears the pumpkin Thomas the

23:31

as the old Dolphins middle linebacker as

23:34

a lot of hundred sit at the

23:36

dolphin middle linebackers actavis will short but

23:38

little undersized. the boy to pop, pop

23:41

and on it or and other this

23:43

hear him on that bans are absolutely

23:45

says there's a Milwaukee tool demo going

23:48

on alley and Eric outcome look at

23:50

the new tools see our new sasa

23:52

of since then at one there's a

23:55

tractor pull. Then. It's sixers, a

23:57

truck. Paul says it. If all these who

23:59

are the who. Really pick one or the

24:01

other how many poles we're going to have.

24:03

We are carpool next city or ah gonna

24:05

be awesome or the horse team of ads

24:07

are going to be there. There's a pony

24:09

paul. As soon as it's

24:12

all about trod on one

24:14

assist assist a draft horse

24:16

Paul the i'm a Ranch

24:18

rodeo and Calcutta. I don't

24:20

know what the fuck that

24:22

is What sucks out of

24:24

the beats me the contrary.

24:26

I don't know. Queen contest,

24:28

horsemanship, all sale, Queen contest,

24:30

fashion show, And then I

24:32

an interview in a brunch and then

24:34

they they frown in the Coronation on

24:36

Saturday March. Nice big crowd. the queen

24:38

of the of the fair i guess

24:40

am us that's not bad and then

24:42

there's a bid call auctioneers contest. To.

24:45

Rounded and hilariously around the country.

24:47

We do fares around fall because

24:50

that's like the harvests they have

24:52

to wait until fucking mark. Oh

24:54

yeah, that's that's it's. been frozen

24:56

since October as as as. As

24:59

a on Peggy Lee day is another

25:01

thing mass and see as celebrate her

25:03

I learn more about her music at

25:06

that site that seasonal hundred run know

25:08

old country yeah I think anyway from

25:10

like the forties if I'm not mistaken.

25:12

fascinating old school and her radio career.

25:15

And how it all started and Valley City said

25:17

it's go hear about some lady that. You've.

25:19

Never even heard of us. That's

25:23

a lot of fun. A crime rate in

25:25

this town or your property crime is right

25:27

at the average of seventy. The only thing

25:29

I could think of because it's a college

25:32

town season against drinking in public and pissing

25:34

in an alley. And yeah, two idiots You

25:36

now been idiots in the street, disorderly conduct,

25:38

and of the alcohol crimes have and then

25:40

violent crime know murder, rape, robbery, and of

25:43

course assaults. The Mount Rushmore of crime is

25:45

about one third below the national average of

25:47

a nice Nothing where you'd expect the small

25:49

town to be yes and of in that

25:51

even when a college. Because in a college

25:53

going to get obviously or none of your and

25:55

the bureau of since you're rapes and your fights

25:58

and the streak as two idiots are drunk. The

26:00

fighting over a girl is one guy decide

26:02

to rape or something good out eyelids get

26:04

some rain pants and then the hit her

26:06

head on the way down and they're dead

26:08

and know like as gonna do have a

26:10

murder and exactly wanted to do was teach

26:12

him a lesson bout you don't write girls

26:14

yeah as it's like I'm so happy I'm

26:16

so happy to not be in college that

26:18

as I'm so glad I didn't go okay

26:20

I would have been terrible and in life

26:22

south. That said let's talk about the murder

26:24

here I rang again. Or it. Let's

26:27

start out with I will talk about

26:29

nice couple here. Il sung about you

26:31

Nice or Eunice I guess you know

26:33

your nails. Eunice and Larry Morgenstern. Mock.

26:36

Attack Morgenstern. I'm.

26:38

Vey I. They have

26:40

one child natural Justino.

26:43

He puts his energy spit it out.

26:45

A system has seen offices have kids who

26:47

are here so I explain it to

26:49

my children. By the way, That.

26:52

He were to babies come when a

26:54

I'm from like a vending machine it's

26:57

rough one it or she spits it

26:59

out. A guy that I went off

27:01

into the world. First let's go over

27:03

to the vending machine and also have

27:05

the zoo or say ah this is

27:07

Melanie Got a minimum in a Belgian.

27:09

imagine this quarter was gross. Okay now

27:11

he's put his lots in the so

27:13

they adopt a three kids. Why?

27:16

Take into adopting because they thought they couldn't

27:18

have kids for a long time. They couldn't

27:20

have kids actually. They

27:22

were ended up and are they during

27:24

the adoption process of their oldest Michael?

27:26

We're. Here. That's when Eunice

27:29

found out she was pregnant. In.

27:31

Their the middle of adopting a kick as

27:33

they couldn't have kids. Holy. So that's why

27:35

I've actually heard of by know somebody else

27:37

that happened to hill a guy, him and

27:39

his wife for years they try to went

27:41

know gonna least Friedman solace or high as

27:43

both of them all these fertility things couldn't

27:45

get fragments started the adoption process and like

27:47

a week before it was reading the governing

27:49

they're pregnant like Jesus Christ when I you

27:51

have to. yeah yeah they were fine with

27:53

it because he was wealthy, said he was

27:55

okay, was by he wanted this. Be.

27:57

guess so ah michael was two and

27:59

a half when they brought him in,

28:01

they're their oldest, and then they have

28:03

Rebecca as the child that Eunice actually

28:06

delivers here. And then

28:08

they have April as well, another child

28:10

that they adopt, and then Mindy as

28:12

well, another child they adopt. Okay,

28:15

so they adopted two girls and a boy and

28:17

then had their own girl. And had their own

28:19

girl. So altogether three girls and a boy. Three

28:22

girls and a boy. I had it right the

28:24

first time. You were there. And I was there

28:26

and I second guessed myself, damn it. So

28:29

that's how that goes. They

28:31

live in New Salem, North Dakota,

28:33

which is a couple hours away from

28:35

here, two and a half hours away

28:37

from Valley City. And

28:39

Mindy, they adopted from Columbia,

28:42

actually. Oh. Yeah.

28:45

And they also adopted April from Bogota as

28:47

well. Oh, really? They adopt Colombian kids. Yeah,

28:49

that's the thing here. They decided after they

28:51

had the first two, they waited about 10

28:53

years. They had their adopted kid and the

28:56

kid they had. And they waited about

28:58

10 years and they decided to have, let's get more

29:00

kids in here. Let's adopt more kids. They couldn't have

29:02

any more kids, I guess, after the one. They only

29:04

had the one. So they adopt

29:06

April from Bogota. And

29:09

then they found out that April

29:11

had a biological sister who also

29:13

needed an adoptive family. Is

29:16

that Mindy? That would be Mindy. So

29:18

she said, they said, oh, they were so happy

29:20

with that because they didn't want to split

29:22

siblings up, obviously. Sure. So

29:25

she said they went to Columbia

29:28

to go see Mindy, who was their

29:30

youngest, April's biological sister. She was then

29:32

four and a half months old when

29:34

they saw her. Brand new.

29:36

Which is a great age, four and a half

29:38

months. They can't move around yet. You can put

29:40

them somewhere and they'll stay there. Yeah. You

29:42

know what I mean? They won't end up on the other side of the house.

29:45

But they're like awake and alert and shit. Because

29:47

when they're like a month old, they're no fun.

29:49

They don't even barely see things. Yeah.

29:52

They're lame. They have no sense of humor. This baby's

29:54

also made it for 120 days. So

29:57

it's probably fine. It's probably fine. But you

29:59

can like. you do peekaboo and they'll fucking laugh.

30:01

Yeah. I mean, like you do that to a month

30:03

old kid and they're like, Oh, they just look at

30:05

you. They have no idea what's going on. So

30:08

this is a fun age before they start getting

30:10

ambulatory. They sit everywhere. Oh, spitting

30:12

and puking. Um, Eunice

30:14

said she saw Mindy and said, quote, she was

30:16

all eyes and a big smile. And

30:19

she remains that way. She's a

30:21

very happy kid, Mindy. Everybody's happy,

30:23

outgoing, really upbeat and a lot

30:26

of energy and that

30:28

sort of thing. Now they raised

30:30

this, this brood of, of children

30:32

on a farm. Yeah.

30:35

They had a farm. So they're like, we have this big

30:37

farm and stuff. We have plenty of room for kids. Let's

30:39

get kids that need to. Are they working the farm? Yeah.

30:42

Yeah. No, they work with farm. Like they have a

30:44

big work in farm that they do. And so it's

30:46

a, it's pretty, pretty cool. I mean, it's nice of

30:48

them to do that. Honestly, they have the room. They

30:50

could afford it. They have the time. They

30:52

said, sure, not to mention, uh, we'll

30:55

help on the farm. I mean, you,

30:57

uh, many hands make quite work I've heard. Yeah. Why

30:59

do you think the Amish try to have so many

31:01

kids? Right. You need to. There's a lot of fucking

31:04

work to be done. Get out of your asses out

31:06

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31:08

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33:53

So that's how this goes. And

33:56

they raise the kids on

33:58

the farm. This farm was... in the family.

34:01

This is an old farm. This is

34:03

dad, Larry's mother grew up on this

34:05

farm. Wow. So that's

34:07

how old this is. She was, his mother was born on

34:10

this farm. Awesome. So

34:12

that's cool. This is a family, you know, handed

34:14

down through the family and that's the other thing too. You kind

34:16

of want kids to leave this too to be able to work

34:18

it. So they said

34:20

Mindy from the beginning, giggly, happy,

34:23

loved people, you

34:25

know, all that sort of thing. By

34:28

the way, there's not a lot of Colombians in New

34:31

Salem. I can't imagine there's more

34:33

than these two. That's

34:36

what it's all about. There's three, I think. It's Michael

34:38

April. Okay. So outside

34:40

of this family, there really aren't a lot of Colombian

34:42

kids wandering around in this town. So

34:44

they kind of get a lot of looks like, what the hell

34:46

Beck could come from type of deal. Like,

34:49

yeah. So,

34:51

her sister Rebecca said she'd talk to

34:54

anybody, she'd strike up conversations with people.

34:57

She was very, very musical Mindy as well at the

34:59

time when she was a kid. Her

35:01

sister April says when she was 10, she

35:03

could just watch the piano teacher play a song

35:05

and then she could come home and play it. For

35:08

one year. That's awesome. She could do it

35:10

by ears, stick around until she found the right sounds

35:12

at work and put it together. People

35:14

that are self-taught on instruments, I'm blown

35:17

away, especially that one. It's impressive. It's

35:19

very impressive. There's so many fucking keys.

35:21

Especially because I've had people actively try

35:23

to teach me and I can't learn.

35:25

I don't get it. I can't imagine

35:27

just taking it on my own and

35:29

figuring it out. That seems well beyond

35:31

my capabilities. I'm going to say that.

35:34

I memorized eight keys of Beethoven and

35:36

that's it. Yeah. We

35:38

can all play Heart and Soul on the piano. One

35:40

of the sides, either the high or the fucking low.

35:44

I can only play the high. You kind of know where

35:46

you can do. Can you do the lows or just

35:48

the highs? I don't know. I can do the, ba-na-na-na-na-na-ba-na-na. That's

35:50

it. That's all I've got.

35:52

That's what you've got. Wonderful. Yeah. We

35:56

suck, dude. Thank God

35:58

our live shows are comedy. Yeah,

36:00

cuz if I had to play a fucking if

36:03

we had to fill it with music it would be a short show ball

36:07

Dantana, Dantana, maybe like

36:12

Good night, thanks for coming out. Thank

36:14

you. I did it all

36:16

right. We go backstage Wipe

36:19

our foreheads with a rag high five like we do

36:22

after a real live show, you know Do

36:24

all that We got to get a

36:26

drink tonight boy. That was took a lot out of me That

36:29

is why I won't do two shows in a night. I won't

36:31

do it. I won't do it. I won't do it How

36:34

is that from that is why I won't do that Beetlejuice

36:37

won't do it. That's right. Thank you. I say

36:39

it sounded like Michael Keaton in my head She

36:43

also plays basketball from the time she's in

36:45

like a third grade. Yeah, Minnie is very

36:47

good at basketball She plays all the way

36:49

through high school and always on

36:51

the school teams and she's really good She

36:54

also loves farm work loves

36:56

it. Huh? She loves to milk

36:58

the cow raise a chicken Bail

37:01

some hay she's into it all man. She's Jacked

37:05

about the farm here now in

37:07

high school She also

37:09

both April and Mindy show athletic

37:12

skills here. They're on the varsity

37:14

track team You know junior

37:16

high all the way through high school

37:18

also basketball Her

37:21

her favorite players Michael Jordan and she's

37:23

obsessed with Michael Jordan, which makes sense

37:25

kid If you're a child in the

37:27

90s, he's the best and you like

37:29

basketball. It's kind of the thing here

37:32

She even wore number 23 in honor

37:34

of which I think Basically

37:37

in the 90s kids would have to

37:39

like fistfight over 23 because everybody wanted

37:42

it was it was certainly in the bin Yeah,

37:45

it was every bin it was tough It

37:48

was really tough in New York because not only

37:50

was it Jordan, but it was also Don Mattingly

37:52

So kids will murder each other over it that

37:54

was like forget about it. That was a very

37:56

popular number She had posters of

37:58

Jordan in a room and all that I'm gonna give

38:00

a fuck about 45. No,

38:03

not really. Nobody ever. No, I'm trying to

38:05

think of, well, who wore 45? Jordan

38:08

at the end. Oh, Jordan's 45. Yeah,

38:10

yeah, Jordan's 45. Jordan's 45. Nobody gets

38:12

fucked. That's why he switched back to 23. He was like,

38:14

that's not gonna work. Would that last? A playoff series, I

38:16

think? And a half or some shit? I think a season

38:19

and a half. A season and a half, or was it

38:21

just half a season? I think it may have been just

38:23

that half season that he was out for a lot. I

38:25

think it was that half season and then in the middle

38:27

of the playoff he just went back and played it great.

38:30

Yeah, he had a bad game and the next game he

38:32

came out in 23 during the playoffs. I remember that. I

38:35

was like, ah, fuck. Everyone was like, ah,

38:37

shit. Yeah, fuck your baseball number, man. Damn

38:39

it. Now it's gonna be...

38:41

And that started the trend

38:43

though of big basketball

38:46

players changing their numbers during their career.

38:49

I think just to sell jerseys again. Sure. All

38:51

I can imagine. So she would...

38:53

They play basketball in

38:55

front of the farmhouse. Even

38:57

after dark, she's like Larry Bird out

39:00

here basically. Playing outside the farm

39:02

and shit. Sometimes till after midnight.

39:05

They'd have to tell her like one in the morning, come

39:07

inside. It's enough basketball here. Yeah. She

39:10

wanted to do Jordan stuff they said. So she's always

39:12

trying to do

39:15

fadeaways and rock his shots here.

39:19

Her sister said she loved the way he played,

39:21

his attitude, and she thought he was good looking.

39:24

She also thought he was... He was a

39:26

handsome man. I didn't think about that. From a boy's

39:28

point of view, none of the guys... You wanted to

39:30

dunk like Jordan. None of the guys were like, he's

39:32

fucking hot too. I'm telling you. Fucking

39:34

smoking. See the ass on that fucking guy? Forget

39:37

about it. That's great hips. Shit.

39:40

I will forget things I would do to him.

39:42

Let me tell you something. You never heard that

39:44

really as a kid. He has got baseballs for

39:46

cabs. Those are... I tell you

39:48

something. Oh boy. Jesus Christ. Now

39:51

come on. Now let's shoot some hoops. I gotta

39:53

get distracted. She also

39:55

played clarinet in the school band. Fucking

39:57

hell. Busy. basketball

40:01

clarinet, cow milking, piano. She's

40:03

got a lot going on. A

40:07

lot of energy here. She

40:09

had aspirations to be a basketball coach, like

40:11

a school, that's what she wanted to do,

40:13

coach like a high school basketball team or

40:15

college team. Her high school English

40:17

teacher said that she would have been, you know, she

40:20

thought, yeah, she's gonna make it. In high school she

40:22

said, wow, what a great coach she's gonna be later

40:24

on. So she's doing all this

40:26

shit. She's also very popular. She

40:29

has a lot of friends. She's really outgoing.

40:31

You know, she's smart, athletic, and

40:33

attractive. So it's popular is what it's gonna

40:35

be and outgoing. It's on top of

40:37

it. And not a lot of time

40:39

to be like she's spread thin. So like

40:43

when you're in demand and you

40:45

only have this tiny bit of

40:47

time to give, it makes you

40:49

that much more in demand. More

40:51

rare. Yeah. Her teacher said

40:54

the word that most describes her is

40:56

bubbly. She didn't walk into a

40:58

room. She sort of bounced into a room.

41:00

She floated. She's gotta be because to have

41:02

to do all that shit you gotta have

41:04

a lot of energy. Sure. So she graduates

41:07

from high school and in 2002 decides she

41:09

goes to college and she enrolls at, this

41:11

is in Valley City, this is how we end up here, Valley

41:14

City State University. Is

41:17

that a point? Valley City State

41:19

University sounds made up. Yeah. It

41:22

sounds like that sketch where the

41:24

guys are announcing crazy

41:26

names in colleges they went to. Seen

41:28

that a hundred times. Sounds like that.

41:30

Valley City State University. Does

41:32

not sound real. She,

41:35

but she always, they said she took

41:37

her old, she has a baby blanket

41:39

she's always had that she took with

41:41

her to college and everything. Really? She's

41:43

also sentimental. Yeah. That's another thing. And

41:46

in addition to all that other shit she's doing, super

41:49

into church. Like, really?

41:51

She sings in the choir. She's

41:53

a, suit goes to church every

41:55

Sunday no matter what she's doing. She, you know,

41:57

even in college she'll wake up Sunday morning and...

42:00

Call her friends up and say you guys coming

42:02

to church and let me sing and yeah almost

42:04

like I would like a religion with her weird

42:08

so she She

42:11

was really cool. It sounds like a

42:13

cool cool girl here So she always

42:15

had her blanket with her if she

42:17

was sleeping somewhere She'd take a green

42:19

blanket at a friend house. It'd be

42:21

with her baby blanket now during her

42:23

freshman year She wants to

42:25

play basketball there ideally or be on the

42:27

track team or do some sort of college

42:30

athletics But she figures

42:32

out or doesn't figure out she realizes

42:34

that she keeps having this recurring numbness

42:36

in the number of

42:38

fingers and in her face. Oh It's

42:41

a numbness in both of these so she goes to

42:43

the doctor She's 18 years old

42:46

this kid active as can be 18

42:48

year old and she's diagnosed with MS

42:51

That you know no Yes, that

42:53

is a that's

42:55

young for MS obviously and for it

42:57

to Manifest right? That

43:00

is young. Yeah, but um and

43:02

MS by the way can go

43:05

It's the big yeah biggest spectrum

43:07

of what can happen because it

43:09

can be terrible and debilitating or

43:12

Some people can live with it for 40 years and they're 50

43:14

years and they're fine Not fine, but

43:17

they know from manage it and they got challenges. They

43:19

manage it. Yeah I mean, you know, there's a lot

43:21

of people I was just reading a book about the

43:23

Sopranos and What's her name

43:25

Jamie Lynn Sigler that played Matt? Oh, yeah,

43:27

that was gonna she's 20. Yeah, it was

43:29

like season three Yeah, older she had MS

43:31

You know I mean she you know, she

43:33

worked and did the Sopranos and was just

43:36

on a Super Bowl commercial Yeah years ago.

43:38

She's doing during her she finds a boyfriend

43:40

during her freshman year here named

43:42

Kyle which a Guy

43:45

named Kyle that sounds college Yeah,

43:48

that's part of the college checklist go out with

43:50

a guy named Kyle I think is you check

43:52

that off done do Kyle's generally keep that name

43:54

for the rest of their lives or do they?

43:57

There's no short for Kyle Kyle along

44:00

No, I call you Kyler. The hell are you gonna call

44:02

you know, I mean like think of like hi You

44:05

can't adult that up any yeah

44:07

impossible to adult that Timmy is bad, but

44:09

Tim is fine There's no way to fix

44:12

that. There's only been one Kai and he

44:14

was a hitchhiking murderer. He was a go

44:16

by that hiking disaster

44:18

fucking schizophrenic murder We

44:22

did a patreon on that Fucking

44:25

enigma good. He is a weird guy. I

44:27

just feel bad about Kyle

44:29

names cuz it's always a joke. It's always

44:31

a joke. Well, yeah Yeah, because I was

44:34

mom's a big fat bitch James. It's big

44:36

fat bitch. She's the biggest bitch in the

44:38

whole wide world If

44:42

there I

44:47

know that song way too well by I love

44:49

what he does. It was my daughter's favorite song

44:51

in the world when she was like 10 and

44:54

We would play it in the car over and over

44:56

again and sing it so She's

44:59

a cool kid needless to say Ah

45:06

Boys and girls So

45:11

she She's going out

45:14

with Kyle for about and he's a junior when she

45:16

meets him Yeah, so he's

45:18

you know farther along than her they

45:20

go out for about two and a half years Wow

45:23

Yeah, two years of she

45:25

he graduates after two years and then about

45:27

another half year. They stay together She

45:29

planned on marrying him. She told everybody this

45:32

isn't the guy. That's him. He's the one

45:35

She was talking about picking up picking out dresses and

45:37

shit like she was wanting to marry

45:39

this guy But after he graduates he moved an hour

45:41

away Which is

45:43

hard if you're busy so they have a couldn't

45:45

really keep the long-term thing together and they ended

45:48

up breaking up Okay, so

45:50

Kyle is out of the picture here Dunzo,

45:53

but she's still always ever all her friends said

45:55

she kind of harbored a little something for Kyle Yeah,

45:58

he's the one that got away He's the one,

46:00

yeah. She's always hoping Kyle might

46:02

come back and be in the picture here. So

46:06

2006 is her senior year, the

46:08

end of her senior year, very end here,

46:11

or the beginning of her senior year. She's

46:16

doing a phys ed degree. That's what she's

46:18

for her degree because she wants to be

46:20

a coach. She hoped to

46:22

be a trainer maybe or a coach,

46:24

basketball coach. She

46:29

also was an assistant basketball coach at a high

46:31

school in Valley City at the time. So

46:34

she was doing that in her spare time

46:36

to get coaching experience, and she was a

46:38

life guard at the university as well, and

46:41

sang in the church choir and played the piano

46:43

and clarinet. Wow. And

46:45

did schoolwork and going out with Kyle

46:47

and had friends and- I want a

46:49

nap. Yeah. And she's got MS for

46:51

Christ's sake. Yeah. That's

46:54

something right there. She's

46:56

got a lot of energy. She's

46:59

living in an off-campus apartment now.

47:02

And the reason is because her

47:04

doctors told her, she basically, she

47:06

gets to take part in

47:10

a clinical trial for

47:13

a new MS drug, and it was kind

47:15

of like a chemo-ish drug a little bit,

47:17

and it would suppress your immune system a

47:19

lot. So that was difficult.

47:21

So they told her to move off-campus to

47:23

her own place. She could do

47:26

other things and go out and do stuff, but being

47:28

in a dorm with a shitload of stuff just

47:30

floating around, all these kids, that's not really great

47:32

for you. So get your own place off-campus so

47:34

you can keep it clean and how you like

47:37

it and everything like that. So

47:39

she does. And

47:41

she has a job here.

47:44

She works at Robbie's, which is a restaurant in town.

47:46

It's a friend of hers. Parents own it.

47:49

Her mother owns it. So she works there as a waitress,

47:51

and everybody likes her. She's a very

47:54

popular waitress. People ask for

47:56

her. She's nice and friendly.

47:58

So yeah, give me the friendly. one

48:00

there. She's better. So she

48:03

does that. She's not church. She's going to school, doing

48:06

all sorts of shit here. The athletic

48:08

director for the university is a guy named

48:10

Doug Peters. He says that he was friends

48:12

with her from 2004 on when

48:15

he became athletic director. She

48:18

was close to his family. She loved his daughters. She

48:20

was a sweet kid. They

48:22

attended the same church as his family. She

48:24

did so. Yeah, she would sing in the

48:27

church choir and volunteer to do the youth

48:29

group things and shit

48:31

for the kids. I don't know where

48:33

she's getting this energy, but she's making me tired already

48:35

here. Her

48:37

sister Rebecca moved back

48:39

to New Salem. She got married and moved away,

48:42

but then they moved back to New Salem in

48:44

July of 2006. She's moved back

48:46

to start

48:49

a church with her husband. She's

48:51

gonna create her own? Yeah, I didn't even know

48:53

that was an option, but I guess churches... I

48:55

didn't think about it. Yeah, I guess they got

48:58

a start at some point. A few miles away

49:00

from me, there's a church that's been for rent,

49:02

for lease, for like ever. It's just sitting there,

49:04

this church. We should start a church. Want to

49:06

start a church? Let's do it. We should just

49:08

rent this place out. I don't know. We

49:11

have no dogma. That's our church. Come

49:14

on in. What do you want to have to believe in? I

49:16

don't care. It doesn't matter. Church of

49:18

early-day saints? I don't know. Whatever you feel like.

49:20

Make it up. Make it up as you go

49:22

along. Just don't make anybody else do it. Alright, bye. That's

49:25

it. That's church. We could do that. We

49:27

could go to the church and handle your

49:29

business. Yeah. Her husband, Jason,

49:31

is a Nazarene pastor. I have

49:34

no idea.

49:36

Nazarene is some super

49:39

Jesus denomination. I'm sure. I assume

49:41

so. I

49:43

guess there was...

49:45

they adopted kids from Columbia

49:48

as well, I guess. So

49:50

that's nice here. And she's the natural-born of

49:53

Morgensterns. So the

49:55

trial study she, like I said,

49:58

Mindy participates in, it's experimental. but

50:00

she's trying to do it. Her father said

50:02

she said she was feeling better as she

50:05

was taking the medicine, making her feel better, and

50:08

she was expecting to hear the trial results

50:10

in October of whether this drug works and

50:12

is going to work. So she's

50:14

doing all this stuff. She gets a new boyfriend as

50:16

well. Got to move on.

50:19

Got to get over Kyle. Right. It's stuck

50:21

on Kyle. Oh, come on. No one should

50:23

be hung up on Kyle. Let's be realistic

50:25

here. So this boyfriend's name

50:27

is Jordan Rainham. She

50:30

found a Jordan. A Jordan. Yeah. I

50:32

like that. I like

50:34

that. Yeah. You know what? That's my jersey already says

50:36

it on the back, so fuck it. That's

50:39

my guy. He's a local guy

50:41

from Valley City, and he's also raised on

50:43

a farm. So got

50:45

some shit in common. Farm guy. He's a little

50:47

more shy than her. She's more outgoing. He's a

50:49

little more reserved because most farm guys are kind

50:51

of quiet. Yeah. There's a lot

50:54

of aw shucks guys. Yeah. I've met a

50:56

lot of people from farms. None of them

50:58

are real boisterous. No. Because it scares the

51:00

animals probably. Well, there's that, and there's also

51:02

a lot of shit. Another reason why Italians

51:05

don't farm much, I think. Maybe that's why.

51:07

We're not going, oh, and everything

51:09

runs. I'll come by you motherfucker and they're chasing

51:11

shit. All the hand talking scares the chicken. The

51:13

hand talking, and you're going to get shit

51:15

in your pinky ring, and nobody wants that. For

51:18

sure. Yeah. That's going to happen. People

51:21

said that he seemed a little

51:24

more serious about her than she was about him.

51:26

Okay. She might have been

51:28

still harboring some feelings of

51:30

Kyle. Kyle, yeah. Some little Kyle left

51:32

in there. Sure. A little residual Kyle

51:35

left around the rim. But

51:38

Jordan's very into her though, awfully into

51:40

her. So late August 2006,

51:44

she contacts the police, Mindy

51:46

does. Yeah. Okay. She

51:48

calls the police about

51:50

a suspicious man who stopped outside

51:53

of her apartment. Oh.

51:56

Now this doesn't, this sounds like

51:58

not a police calling worthy. thing,

52:00

but this must have been a feeling she

52:03

had, had to be, because

52:05

she's friendly and she's outgoing, so she's

52:07

not like, oh my God, a person talked to me, I better

52:09

call the cops. Like, that's not how she is at all. Yeah.

52:13

The interaction must have been

52:15

very not fluid. Well,

52:18

she, the guy just asked her for directions.

52:20

Oh. He got out

52:22

of his car, asked her for directions to a street

52:24

that was only about a block away. So he was

52:26

like right there. If he just drove, he would have

52:28

found it. So she described

52:30

the man as being in his 60s and

52:34

driving a blue car that resembled what she

52:36

thought was like a Ford Taurus-y type car.

52:39

Okay. So mid-size blue sedan basically

52:41

here. And they all looked the fucking same

52:43

in the 2000s. Yeah. From

52:46

2009. So they still making a Taurus?

52:48

Oh yeah, they were there. Yeah, they were there. The

52:50

low rounded. Shit. Yeah. Rounded

52:53

oval piece of shit. That was a weird one.

52:55

The ugly fucking Taurus. Ugh, nasty. No

52:57

football stereo. Ugh. So

52:59

she said that when he stepped out of the

53:02

car, she felt threatened, is what she called the

53:04

cops. He didn't threaten her.

53:06

He didn't touch her. He didn't do anything. But she

53:08

said she got a weird vibe. A aggressive body language.

53:10

Yeah. And she just wanted to put

53:12

that out there that there's a guy who freaked her

53:14

out. And that's fine because now if somebody else reports,

53:16

you know, my kid got taken

53:18

and the only car in the neighborhood was

53:20

a blue Taurus, maybe that's the guy. So

53:22

maybe you get a report going and that's

53:25

how you build stuff up there. Documented at

53:27

minimum. Absolutely. Her

53:29

mother says she used to come home and just

53:31

to ask for food, like to make her mother's

53:34

version of that food because she was homesick. So

53:36

she'd go all the way home just for scrambled eggs

53:38

sometimes. Really? It was a two hour

53:40

drive for scrambled eggs. Yeah. They

53:43

said she puts salt on everything. That was one of her

53:45

traits that everybody knew. Everything

53:48

heavily salted. Heavily

53:50

salted. And her favorite thing

53:53

in the world is mashed potatoes apparently, which I

53:56

after my own heart. After

53:58

my own heart, darling. How whipped are

54:00

they? Are they how fluffy? God damn. I

54:03

don't even care. Lumpy, fluffy. Give it to

54:05

me. Oh man. Fucking

54:07

lumpy, fluffy, baked. You want to throw some shit in

54:09

it? Great. Put some bacon in it? Okay. You want

54:11

it to be just potatoes. I'll take it. Oh man.

54:14

There's a potato base. I'm eating it. Period. A

54:16

whipped, a giant fluffy

54:19

mashed potatoes is

54:21

so good. Fuck yeah. The

54:23

sour cream and milk. Yeah. Forget

54:25

it. Bring it on. And

54:27

butter, shit. I'm hungry now. It on. Oh,

54:29

I can't wait to eat tonight. I am jacked for

54:31

this. So yeah, she said

54:34

that, you know, Eunice, who's more

54:36

of a serious type, the North Dakota farm

54:38

woman is, you know, kind of

54:40

what you expect. She said Mindy would

54:42

come in and turn the radio on and make her

54:44

mom dance and do all that shit. And she's

54:46

like, we're getting Colombian up in this motherfucker. Let's go.

54:50

She puts on, you know, drums and horn music

54:52

and mom's going to dance now. It's all over

54:54

with. So she

54:56

comes around here in late

54:59

August of 2006 here. And

55:03

she's a, she's small too. She weighs like

55:05

115 pounds. She's a, she's a

55:07

small girl. And she

55:10

said her dad was outside loading hay bales.

55:12

And her parents said she told her dad,

55:14

fucking, I got this. You're going to have

55:16

a heart attack, old man. Get the fuck

55:18

aside. Get aside. With her MS, she's flinging

55:20

bales. She's flinging bales of hay, telling her

55:22

dad, you're going to have a heart attack,

55:25

which is pretty damn cool. That's the type

55:27

of, that's how she is. She had a

55:29

96 Chevy Corsica that would break down

55:31

all the time. Yeah, yeah. Which

55:33

is kind of how that works. I

55:35

could have just said she had a 96 Chevy Corsica and you'd

55:37

all go, wow, that broke down all the time, I bet. She

55:40

was working on it a lot. Oof. Man.

55:43

She said that coming

55:45

up to this time here, September 12th, 2006,

55:47

she had a nice, Eunice

55:49

said she had a nice phone conversation

55:51

with Mindy. She had a wonderful conversation.

55:54

We talked about everything. And then

55:56

September 13th, 2006 comes around here. Now,

56:00

about 11.30 a.m. this

56:04

day, a woman named Lacey, who's

56:06

known Mindy since

56:08

school, since, you know, 10 years or whatever,

56:11

she met Mindy at the library at

56:14

Valley City State University, which still sounds

56:16

ridiculous. State City. State City, City

56:18

State, and they talked for a while, and

56:20

then they both left the library together at

56:22

12.20 p.m. Okay.

56:25

Now, Ashley Coons, she

56:28

said, K-U-N-Z, by the way, that is

56:31

one letter short of some, this girl

56:33

having a rough childhood. She

56:37

said that she was

56:39

chatting online with Mindy on September 13th

56:41

here. This

56:43

is during Coons' lunch break from student

56:46

teaching. So Ashley was

56:48

doing that. She said that Ashley said she told

56:50

her she had to get back to her student

56:52

teaching, and the conversation ended at about 12.20. So

56:55

it seems like that's when she was

56:58

talking to her from the library and, you

57:00

know, online, and then when the other girl went

57:03

back to work, that's when she left the library

57:05

with her friend. She was like, okay,

57:07

shut that conversation. Now I can leave. Okay.

57:10

So Mindy apparently has plans

57:14

on this day, everybody says, on the 13th.

57:17

That day, she's supposed to have some sort

57:19

of modeling shoot. Oh. And

57:22

yeah, her friends know vaguely it's a modeling shoot.

57:24

Her sister said she didn't really know a ton

57:27

about it. She just said Mindy

57:29

called her Tuesday night to ask

57:31

the night before. It's a Wednesday, is the 13th.

57:34

She called the night before on a Tuesday to ask

57:36

advice on what to wear to this thing. Okay.

57:39

So but her sister, she said she didn't really give her that

57:41

many details of the thing. I don't know if it's like one

57:44

of these agencies that you, you know, they take your pictures

57:46

and they charge you $400. I don't

57:48

know what's going on here. You got to

57:50

know what it is to know what not

57:52

to recommend. It might have been

57:54

for the school pamphlet. You know what I mean? She's,

57:57

that's a student you want to put on there. She looks like she's having a

57:59

good time. So she

58:01

did that. Uh, Mindy said that she had

58:03

found it on the internet, this modeling agency

58:05

or modeling, whatever, and had checked

58:08

it out with the better business bureau even. So she's

58:12

not given Nigerian Prince money here. She's, she

58:15

actually gets on the better business bureau

58:17

website and checks them out. That's, I

58:20

never do that. I've never checked the,

58:22

the trip to be for anything. No,

58:24

that's not what I got her shit

58:26

together, man. That's wild. Wow. Um,

58:29

so the photo shoot was supposed to be

58:31

early in the day on Wednesday is what

58:33

her sister said, so presumably when

58:35

she's at the library, she's already gone to

58:38

the photo shoot. That's all we can, we

58:40

can assume here. Now

58:42

she's supposed to meet her friends

58:44

later on. Now this is shaky,

58:46

whether she's supposed to, whether

58:48

she knows she's supposed to or her friends are

58:51

trying to recruit her to basically. Do we know

58:53

which friends? Yes. Um, yeah,

58:55

a couple of her friends, Tony Bauman

58:57

and Danielle Holmstrom are their names and

59:01

they apparently Tony's got

59:03

a boyfriend here that

59:06

is a little bit possessive and

59:08

apparently she had told,

59:11

she doesn't, the boyfriend doesn't like it when Tony

59:13

goes out with certain friends, men

59:16

and women, you know, your significant other has a friend

59:18

you don't like and you don't like it when they

59:20

go out with them because they're whatever the fuck. So

59:22

there's one of those around that person. Yeah.

59:25

Yeah. Yeah. So that's

59:27

how that goes. Uh, so they decide

59:29

now Mindy's okay to hang out with

59:31

according to this guy. He's,

59:33

she's okay. Cause she's smart and has her shit together

59:35

or whatever. So the friend

59:37

is telling the friend

59:40

thinks about first about lying to the boyfriend and

59:42

saying, I'm an, I'll be at Mindy's house. I'll

59:44

hang out with Mindy instead of going out. But

59:46

then they decide to go, let's get Mindy to

59:48

go out with us. That

59:50

way when Mindy comes out with us, when I

59:52

talk to him, Mindy's right there too. Mindy will

59:54

be like, yeah, I'm here. Yeah. Cause she told

59:56

Tony told her boyfriend that Mindy was I guess

59:59

going to be there. So

1:00:02

they try to call her all afternoon, and

1:00:05

she doesn't answer her phone all afternoon. All

1:00:07

afternoon, all afternoon. They're like, fuck, fuck. We need to get

1:00:09

with her because she's part of the plan. And if he

1:00:11

talks to her before we do, you can

1:00:14

fuck it all up. Fuck it all up here. So

1:00:17

they said they wanted to stop by your house then because you're

1:00:19

not going to answer the phone. We'll

1:00:22

just stop by. So they stopped by her

1:00:24

place here, and this

1:00:27

is from Bauman, Tony Bauman. Now we'll say

1:00:29

also, people could say for the last couple

1:00:31

hours, people have been saying that they can

1:00:33

smell pine sol very heavy by the apartment,

1:00:36

by her apartment. Just a heavy

1:00:38

pine sol smell, like in the hallway, all

1:00:40

out here. So Tony goes,

1:00:42

and she says this, quote, I ran inside

1:00:45

and knocked on the door and there was

1:00:47

no answer. It wasn't locked.

1:00:50

Door was unlocked. First of all,

1:00:52

if I go to anyone's house, unless it's like my

1:00:54

mother, I'm not checking the doorknob anyway, but ... I

1:00:56

have never checked anybody's doorknob. I guess if you're real

1:00:59

close, you just check the doorknob. So she

1:01:01

said it wasn't locked, so I opened the door and

1:01:03

stepped in. Seems

1:01:05

normal. Quote, about two steps in,

1:01:07

I saw something on the ground right in

1:01:09

front of my feet. It was Mindy.

1:01:13

And then I noticed something around her neck. Oh

1:01:16

boy. Now she bolts out of the apartment. So

1:01:19

fast she trips and falls into the wall because

1:01:21

she's so freaked out by

1:01:23

this, obviously. She runs

1:01:25

out of the apartment here. Danielle is

1:01:27

in the car, basically. She's still waiting

1:01:29

in the car. So

1:01:31

they stopped by. They said that

1:01:33

... Danielle said, quote, that

1:01:36

Tony came running to her car and

1:01:38

opened it and was screaming. She

1:01:41

just ran out screaming. Yeah. She

1:01:43

grabbed a phone, Tony did, called 911,

1:01:47

and she said she thought that there was

1:01:49

something wrapped around Mindy's neck, is

1:01:51

what she said out loud here. So

1:01:53

they go back to the apartment. They're

1:01:56

not waiting for 911 because they don't know if she's still

1:01:58

... if she's something around her neck. She could be

1:02:00

unconscious, help her. Maybe if we pull

1:02:02

that thing off, she's fine. So they run

1:02:04

back up there and they find a

1:02:07

neighbor who's outside, this guy, and

1:02:09

they, he walks

1:02:12

into the apartment with them

1:02:14

to check if Mindy's alive or not.

1:02:17

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1:02:19

to her face for some, I guess, to

1:02:21

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1:02:23

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1:02:25

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she is unfortunately not alive

1:07:58

though. Mindy. She

1:08:00

has passed away on the floor here. Next

1:08:03

to Mindy is an empty

1:08:06

bottle of pine-salt laying there. And

1:08:09

it really smells heavy of pine-salt. If

1:08:11

you open the door, it punches you

1:08:13

in the face of pine-salt. Pine-salt's strong.

1:08:15

If there's a lot of it, a

1:08:17

small area, it'll overwhelm you. Yeah, I

1:08:19

didn't know how much you needed when

1:08:21

you mopped and I used a lot.

1:08:24

The bottle is what I used.

1:08:27

The whole bottle. That's too

1:08:29

much. That'll take your house over for

1:08:31

a while. Yeah. So

1:08:33

the neighbor, Danielle, described the whole thing with the

1:08:35

neighbor as strange. She said it was weird. He

1:08:38

was just like right there. We

1:08:40

walked in. He was just like hanging out in

1:08:42

the hallway now. And he's touching bodies and shit.

1:08:44

And he's happy to go in and check out

1:08:46

a potentially dead body. Like he was more than

1:08:48

happy to walk in there. So

1:08:50

she said also she'd never seen him

1:08:53

before around there either. So

1:08:55

that was different as well. So

1:08:58

anyway, when they get in there and see her, there's

1:09:00

a belt wrapped around her neck. That's what's around her

1:09:02

neck is it. And she's been...

1:09:05

there are two different knives in

1:09:08

the region. One is lying next to her, very

1:09:11

bloody. And the other one is sticking

1:09:13

out of her neck and it's broken. A

1:09:17

broken... like the handle broke off so the

1:09:19

blade is sticking out of her neck. Shit.

1:09:22

So this is like holy

1:09:24

shit hardcore violence

1:09:26

here. And it

1:09:29

looks like her throat's been cut and it's been

1:09:31

broken, ripped off too. So she's been strangled, stabbed

1:09:33

in the neck and her throat's been cut at

1:09:35

the same time. Very angry. And I mean, yeah,

1:09:39

you stab someone hard enough to break a knife

1:09:41

blade off in their neck. Your neck is not

1:09:43

that... No,

1:09:45

there's not a lot of stiff shit in

1:09:47

there. It moves around a lot. Like Ed

1:09:50

Kemper said, in the

1:09:52

Mine Hunter show he's talking about

1:09:55

fucking people's necks. To break a

1:09:57

knife blade off is... something

1:10:00

else there. Other than that, her

1:10:02

apartment, there's not ransacked, her shit's

1:10:04

not knocked over, there's not ...

1:10:07

It doesn't look like all the furniture has been tipped

1:10:09

over or anything like that. Her

1:10:11

purse and her lanyard are still on

1:10:13

her arm. Like her

1:10:15

college ID and her purse, the corduroy purse she's

1:10:18

got is still on her. Like on her way

1:10:20

out or on her way in? Yeah,

1:10:23

she's right by the door. Did

1:10:26

she go to leave and have somebody jump

1:10:28

her from the other side? Did she let

1:10:31

somebody in and they were going to leave

1:10:33

together? Who knows here? So

1:10:37

yeah, phone and wallet though are scattered

1:10:39

on the floor. So

1:10:41

purses on her shoulder, lanyard on her shoulder,

1:10:43

phone makes sense because she probably had that

1:10:46

in her hand. That ends up

1:10:48

on the floor, but her wallet's on the floor

1:10:50

too. So it looks like ... They don't know,

1:10:52

did somebody rifle through her purse, find her wallet?

1:10:55

Is it a robbery? And through it? Yeah, that's

1:10:57

the thing. It's kind of not clear at this

1:10:59

point. All they know is she was last seen

1:11:01

alive at 12.25 PM.

1:11:05

That is when she left the library and was in

1:11:07

the parking lot. That's the last time.

1:11:09

So police arrive and

1:11:12

they find no forced entry into

1:11:14

the apartment, no

1:11:16

forced entry. There's no secured

1:11:18

entry by the way into this apartment building.

1:11:20

So anybody can just walk up to the

1:11:22

apartment doors. It's not like there's a

1:11:24

gate outside where you got to put a code in or put

1:11:27

a key in the locker or anything like that. So

1:11:30

the door was unlocked as the friend

1:11:32

said. So they said that. Now

1:11:35

the special agent Mark Saylor of

1:11:37

the North Dakota Bureau of Criminal

1:11:40

Investigation said, quote, as

1:11:42

I entered, I could smell a

1:11:44

very strong odor, like an ammonia

1:11:46

disinfectant. The body of the victim

1:11:48

was laying across the

1:11:50

entry hallway and they

1:11:53

said she lived alone and they're not aware of

1:11:55

anyone else who has a key. Really?

1:11:58

Nobody they know has a key. So it's not like she's just A bunch

1:12:00

of her friends had keys or she gave a key to a

1:12:02

neighbor for the water or plants or some shit when she went

1:12:04

Out of town nothing like that the

1:12:07

person they'd really like to find this Ford

1:12:09

Taurus man at this point Yeah, because

1:12:11

that guy is a guy that they certainly should

1:12:13

like cuz that guy scared her You know what

1:12:15

I mean made her feel threatened. She never said

1:12:17

anyone else made her feel threatened. So So

1:12:20

they don't know what to do. They have to

1:12:23

they're starting from scratch here. Basically with let's interview

1:12:25

everybody within a 50-mile radius Friends

1:12:28

of anybody that ever met her. Yeah problem

1:12:30

is she knows so many people from college

1:12:33

Yeah colleges tend to fuck

1:12:35

things. Yeah. Yeah, and she works at a restaurant

1:12:37

So like this could be some sick fuck from

1:12:39

a restaurant. Yeah, this could be fuck from college

1:12:41

It's been thought, you know keeping an eye on

1:12:43

her for two years and decided to make their

1:12:45

move who knows So I'm gonna

1:12:48

know us her section every week. Yeah, that's what

1:12:50

I mean as it could be anybody So

1:12:52

they said the cause of death here is

1:12:54

an incised wound of neck and x-ray

1:12:56

an asphyxia So it's strangulation

1:12:59

and and fuck and the bleeding. Yeah,

1:13:01

Jesus Christ That is this

1:13:03

is brutal man one or the

1:13:05

other could have done it This is right.

1:13:07

They were strangling her what I

1:13:10

would assume strangling her and it

1:13:12

wasn't going fast enough Right started

1:13:14

stabbing that's Jesus Christ. It's just

1:13:16

strangling takes longer than you think

1:13:18

it's wild It makes three

1:13:20

four minutes to strangle somebody. That's a long

1:13:22

fucking time It's a

1:13:24

lot of effort number one and it's I think

1:13:26

it's just not what people expect. They see movies.

1:13:28

Yeah It's

1:13:31

the noise I mean I it

1:13:33

took me 42 years to find out that

1:13:35

it was the blood blood Circulation

1:13:37

cutting off not not the air not

1:13:39

the oxygen And

1:13:41

and and I the noise makes

1:13:44

people think that you just run out of oxygen

1:13:46

and you knock out That's not

1:13:48

it. That's not it. So I thought

1:13:50

it feels like is this was taking too

1:13:52

long, right? And then they went obviously

1:13:55

were I mean two knives one wasn't

1:13:57

even enough, right? I mean she was

1:13:59

stabbed with both knives by the way. The

1:14:02

one wasn't like a backup that got left behind. She

1:14:04

was stabbed with both. Yeah, because one broke

1:14:06

off in her neck, so I assumed they got another

1:14:08

one. Went after. And I say

1:14:10

he because this just doesn't seem like a... Yeah,

1:14:13

I won't do this. Yeah. No, no. And

1:14:15

she could probably fight back if it was

1:14:17

somebody her own size. Yeah, somebody might have

1:14:19

some wounds. She can toss

1:14:21

a bala hay. Yeah. I mean,

1:14:23

that's why I was making sure to state that.

1:14:25

She can toss a bala hay and you play,

1:14:28

you know... She's taking MS's

1:14:30

ass at this point. That's what I mean. She's

1:14:32

pretty tough here. And she's not a withering flower

1:14:34

either. She's spunky. She's got a lot of energy.

1:14:36

She seems like she'd fight you. So

1:14:39

the reactions, obviously, people freak out. Everybody

1:14:41

liked this girl. Her sister

1:14:43

said she was just a really awesome person.

1:14:45

That's Rebecca. And said how much

1:14:47

she loved sports and even helping

1:14:50

people at the school. The

1:14:52

athletic director said, I just

1:14:54

knew her very personally well, or

1:14:56

very well personally. She was one of the nicest

1:14:59

people I ever met. She really liked kids. She's

1:15:01

somebody I would hope my daughters would be like.

1:15:04

That's a compliment here. The

1:15:06

family all gathers at the farmhouse to

1:15:09

her dad's 57, around 54

1:15:11

at this point. The kids come home

1:15:15

there. This

1:15:18

is how they found out, basically. Eunice

1:15:20

noticed someone outside and in

1:15:23

the dark noticed somebody coming

1:15:25

up to the farmhouse. So they flipped the light on

1:15:28

and they saw it was Rebecca, their

1:15:30

daughter, who lives in

1:15:32

New Salem and she's crying. And then next

1:15:35

to him, next to her is

1:15:37

the Morton County Sheriff's deputy next to her where

1:15:39

they live, that county. So he

1:15:41

said, he said, ah Christ, now what? Jesus,

1:15:43

what the fuck's going on now? Didn't expect

1:15:46

this, obviously. So yeah,

1:15:48

they said they were just horrified.

1:15:50

They basically... They

1:15:52

sat in her room for the rest of the night

1:15:54

because they didn't know what else to do with her

1:15:57

there. They said even the cat who

1:15:59

doesn't like people... was crawling all over

1:16:01

everybody that night. Oh, trying to comfort

1:16:03

folks. Animals are like that, dude. They

1:16:06

know, man. They do. They do.

1:16:09

No, my friend, my dog Frankie, if I'm sad, that's

1:16:11

your friend. He will not leave me the fuck alone.

1:16:13

You nailed it. Yeah, but I bought her. I can't

1:16:15

count that. You can't find her. I

1:16:17

didn't even buy her. I found her on the street. So,

1:16:19

you know, I know you find friends on the street, so

1:16:21

yeah. You chose that friend. Yeah, yeah. We didn't pay a

1:16:23

dime for that fucking dog. So,

1:16:25

the next day, they

1:16:27

have a few leads. I mean, they got

1:16:29

to talk to boyfriend, ex-boyfriend. Yeah. You

1:16:32

know, people at work see if anybody's being weird, stuff

1:16:34

like that, but they don't have any suspects. No.

1:16:36

Everybody's confused. All the friends are like, I don't know who could

1:16:38

have heard her. Nobody was mad at her ever.

1:16:41

There's just no reason for anybody to have heard her. So,

1:16:43

the police chief here of Valley

1:16:46

City, Dean Ross, he was conducting

1:16:48

interviews, and they said that they had

1:16:50

to follow up more than 100 phone calls

1:16:52

they received very quickly. Really? Everybody

1:16:55

that knew her was just like, this is what I

1:16:57

know. Yeah. That's overwhelming.

1:17:00

Yeah. And they said, we do not have

1:17:02

a suspect at this time. However, we really

1:17:04

want one, which is... We'd

1:17:06

really love one. We'd love to

1:17:08

have a suspect. That's the most

1:17:11

honest, and I feel

1:17:13

like this is a guy who the Valley

1:17:15

City fucking chief of police doesn't talk to

1:17:17

the press about murder very often. I feel

1:17:19

like that's the thing

1:17:21

there, probably. Oh, heaven. I'd really like one.

1:17:23

I really would like one, though. So,

1:17:26

they said also, there was no evidence that

1:17:28

gives any indication that sexual assault occurred. That's

1:17:31

positive. So, that's good. She was fully clothed

1:17:34

and everything like that. So, that's

1:17:37

something anyway. The

1:17:39

police here, the chief said, at this time, I

1:17:41

can't talk motive. You're not going to get a

1:17:44

lot of answers about why. We

1:17:47

do have further investigation to do. This

1:17:49

will come to court, and we don't want to

1:17:52

jeopardize our case. We

1:17:54

know nothing, and I'm going to say it's because

1:17:56

we're keeping it close to the vest, which a

1:17:58

lot of the details, they are keeping close to.

1:18:00

the vest because they have to interrogate people and

1:18:02

they want to know if you know you keep

1:18:04

some shit secret. If they know anything then they'll

1:18:07

tell us they know things. You definitely you know

1:18:10

want to chill it out. He said

1:18:12

quote, everybody's scared and we want to

1:18:15

bring some peace. We're still a safe

1:18:17

community. This one tragic death shouldn't have

1:18:19

happened. So don't

1:18:21

think that there's a maniac out there on the loose

1:18:24

even though there is. Don't think that don't be don't

1:18:27

be freaked out by that. Don't let it change your

1:18:29

life. Yeah, vote Chief Ross by

1:18:31

the way. So

1:18:34

the Mark Saylor guy, the Bureau of

1:18:37

Criminal Investigation cat here, when he gets

1:18:39

in here, he's the one

1:18:41

he figures it all out that the Pine-Sol had

1:18:44

been not just poured in the apartment, poured

1:18:46

all over her body. She's soaked in

1:18:48

Pine-Sol. Yes. So I

1:18:51

don't know if this, whoever did this, thought that she

1:18:53

would be just be left

1:18:55

here to decompose maybe. No one will find

1:18:57

her. So that's how strong

1:18:59

Pine-Sol is. Yeah, it'll cover the

1:19:01

stuff. That's all I can imagine, but

1:19:03

he should have done it away from the front door

1:19:06

because that's how everybody smelled the Pine-Sol. It's weird. Or

1:19:08

was he doing it to like get rid of any

1:19:10

sort of DNA? That's possible too.

1:19:12

Because that's I imagine that'll clean that shit

1:19:14

up. It'll clean everything up. It doesn't that

1:19:16

doesn't work though. There's DNA sticks around unless

1:19:18

you really get it on the

1:19:21

thing, especially under fingernails. Yeah.

1:19:23

Mindy's a fighter. Yeah. This guy, he realizes that

1:19:29

the belt around her neck is a

1:19:31

cloth belt and we never

1:19:33

find out if it's Mindy's belt or not. That's

1:19:35

what I'd like to know. Is this something someone

1:19:37

brought with them or something they just

1:19:40

found on the spot? Same thing with the knives. Are

1:19:42

these Mindy's knives or did this person

1:19:44

bring a kill kit of a belt and knives? That's

1:19:47

a different thing here. There's

1:19:50

no usable fingerprints found

1:19:52

on the knives, which

1:19:54

is very common. Fingerprints are really tough. They

1:19:56

just they don't. They smudge.

1:19:59

They smudge. They smear. It's really hard

1:20:01

to get a good print here. They

1:20:04

do get DNA from the knives.

1:20:06

Terrific. Two male DNA

1:20:09

hits on this. Oh two different ones.

1:20:11

Two different males on this with

1:20:14

two knives, which is interesting. Yeah,

1:20:16

there's two knives Also

1:20:19

on the inside of rubber gloves that

1:20:21

were found at the apartment as well.

1:20:23

They left them? They left

1:20:26

them which is I guess if

1:20:28

they're bloody you'd probably don't want to take them with

1:20:30

you But you know them is leaving your DNA behind

1:20:32

but I don't think in 2006 Everybody

1:20:35

was aware of how you

1:20:37

can get much just like if your skin cells

1:20:40

fall off in a thing Oh god, I thought

1:20:42

you needed a hair and you're sweating your ass

1:20:44

off inside of a plastic glove

1:20:46

those things Fuck. Oh, yeah, so wet

1:20:49

in there Hair samples

1:20:51

are collected from the crime scene including

1:20:53

one from the left hand palm of

1:20:55

Mindy over there The

1:20:57

hair is never traced to anybody. Really?

1:21:00

So no idea where the fuck that came from. Could have been anyone.

1:21:02

You had to mask hair. So they

1:21:04

believe that she was stabbed and strangled

1:21:06

around 1230 p.m Because

1:21:10

at 1247 is when a

1:21:13

phone call came in and she didn't answer and she never

1:21:15

answers the phone after that So they assumed

1:21:17

sometime between 1225 when she was seen and 1247 when

1:21:19

she didn't answer her phone It's

1:21:23

a very short window. It's like a 20-22 minute window of

1:21:28

Or it was happening when that phone

1:21:30

call came in too. That could have

1:21:32

happened as well. Absolutely. But at some

1:21:34

point It started in that window. Yeah,

1:21:36

it started in that window So

1:21:39

that's what they're that's what they have to know so

1:21:41

they can you know when they get suspects

1:21:43

they can narrow down Where were

1:21:45

you between this time and this time type of shit?

1:21:48

So Questioned a little bit further.

1:21:50

They said they they estimated the time of

1:21:52

death by considering when apartment

1:21:55

building residents started smelling pine Saul

1:21:57

as well. Great point. Yeah, another

1:21:59

thing Now there is another weird

1:22:01

one here though because there is a

1:22:03

woman named Nicole Thorsen Who was at her

1:22:06

mother's apartment in this complex? She

1:22:08

went to her mother's apartment earlier in the day after

1:22:10

leaving work at 730 a.m. And

1:22:12

smelled pine-sau So

1:22:15

that's earlier than this. Is that

1:22:17

in the morning? Yeah,

1:22:20

like mid morning. Then she

1:22:22

went to the apartment again at 2 o'clock and

1:22:24

didn't smell the same odor But then she went

1:22:26

outside at 2 30 and smelled

1:22:28

the pine-sauce. I don't trust this lady's sense of smell

1:22:30

at all It

1:22:33

went away it came back the fuck out of here

1:22:35

with that. It was strong everybody else smelled it So

1:22:37

if it was there it was there

1:22:40

there. It's not there. Yeah, it's not going away

1:22:42

for a while, right? maybe the wind

1:22:44

shift that her side or no, but so

1:22:46

they Quickly the cops need

1:22:49

realize they need to figure this out They really

1:22:51

want a suspect as the guy said they'd love

1:22:53

to have one right now He

1:22:55

did say that and people are freaking

1:22:57

out all the young any any 21

1:22:59

year old girl at colleges for show

1:23:01

I'm walking the door and you

1:23:04

know getting a weapon to sleep with and shit.

1:23:06

Oh slasher here Yeah, so

1:23:08

they do have DNA from under

1:23:10

her fingernails. Oh, it's not hers

1:23:12

So that's that's plus male

1:23:15

DNA So that's something they're really

1:23:17

gonna look into and also on her shirt and

1:23:19

some blood there's DNA there as well in her

1:23:21

Bloody shirt, so they

1:23:23

look into a few different people like

1:23:25

her Her friend's

1:23:27

boyfriend. Yeah, who is a little bit

1:23:29

jealous. They look into him. They look into a

1:23:33

Man who her co-workers say we'll talk about this

1:23:35

guy her co-workers say made her a little uncomfortable

1:23:37

at work He's a guy used to come in

1:23:39

all the time Also

1:23:41

an ex-boyfriend's dad. I think Kyle's dad

1:23:43

might be involved in it Yeah,

1:23:46

Kyle's dad. They've talked about Random

1:23:49

people her boyfriend Who

1:23:52

is it? There's a drifter guy who literally

1:23:54

lives in a camper at the edge of town They

1:23:56

want to talk to too because he comes to diner

1:23:58

sometimes and requests her second Really? Yeah,

1:24:01

that's what I mean. There's a lot of people. Fuck. And

1:24:04

where do you start? You know? So,

1:24:07

one person is her neighbor. The guy, the first guy they

1:24:09

want to talk to is the guy who was just

1:24:12

happened to be hanging outside the fucking apartment and

1:24:14

going in and touching her. You just

1:24:16

touched a dead body. What are you, nuts? Yeah, I didn't

1:24:18

mind. So, they questioned

1:24:20

him. They asked him what he

1:24:23

was doing during the time of the murder, which the

1:24:25

medical examiner had said happened between 1223 and 1247. And

1:24:31

that's only based on evidence, not on medical

1:24:33

evidence, because you cannot pinpoint. Even now, you

1:24:36

can't pinpoint a body even close to that. Not

1:24:38

close to that. 24 minutes. Fuck no.

1:24:41

It's like a four to six hour window they can

1:24:43

get it with him, because so many factors are a

1:24:45

thing. Sure. So, the neighbor said, they

1:24:47

said, what the fuck were you doing? He

1:24:50

said, I was just watching TV in my

1:24:52

apartment, and I heard... This

1:24:55

is how he put it, abnormal noises. Yeah,

1:24:58

like a murder? Would

1:25:01

you put it like that ever? Would you

1:25:03

say I heard abnormal noises? No.

1:25:06

I'd say, bonk, strange, strange. Weird.

1:25:09

There's a hundred different words. I just described them. I

1:25:11

don't know that I'd say... Do you do like a

1:25:13

boom, boom, like a bang? Yeah. Like

1:25:15

you were trying to tell a mechanic what was

1:25:17

wrong with your transmission. For sure, yeah. It makes

1:25:19

like a knocking noise. I

1:25:22

would have descriptions of the exact

1:25:24

noises I've heard, not weird

1:25:27

words to... What did he

1:25:29

say? Abnormal noises.

1:25:31

Abnormal. No. I'm not

1:25:33

sure. So, he said he ran into the

1:25:35

apartment. By the way, our terrible band

1:25:38

that plays 10 Seconds of Furloughs and

1:25:40

Heart and Soul, we're calling

1:25:42

it abnormal noises when we hit the road.

1:25:44

That's how this is working. It's the name

1:25:46

of our band. Can't wait. Thank you, weird

1:25:49

neighbor guy, for naming your band. We are

1:25:51

abnormal voices. We are abnormal noises. Thank you.

1:25:53

We don't know how to play it. Have

1:25:55

a good night. Thank you.

1:25:58

He said, like I said, he ran into the apartment. into

1:26:00

the apartment and he said it looked like Mindy had been

1:26:02

strangled. So police

1:26:04

ran a back around check on him and

1:26:07

he's been in prison before. Oh? That's

1:26:11

not great. No. He's

1:26:13

been in prison. What for? For some stuff.

1:26:15

Well, he's been in prison for like stealing

1:26:17

a car and had some weed on him

1:26:19

and stuff like that. No

1:26:21

violent crimes, no rapes, no burglary,

1:26:24

no like the presidential burglaries or shit

1:26:26

like that. The fun shit. Yeah,

1:26:28

he's out having a good time. I picture him like,

1:26:30

weee, with like a bear out the window as he's

1:26:33

joyriding. What's his island while he's getting arrested? Yeah, joint

1:26:35

in the other hand here. Then

1:26:37

also they notice he's got fucking cuts all

1:26:40

over him. On his finger, he's

1:26:42

got a bandaid, he's got a slash on his

1:26:44

arm, he's got a cut on his other hand,

1:26:46

he's got all sorts of cuts on him. See

1:26:48

a fucking elder? Well they

1:26:50

find out he's a steelworker guy.

1:26:53

Yay! He does steelworking, tin shit

1:26:55

and stuff like that. So

1:26:57

that's what he said. He goes, well I cut this one this

1:26:59

day, I cut it here on this day. He goes, I cut

1:27:01

my hands every day, I cut every single day. And they're like,

1:27:04

interesting that you would ... Because one of the cuts is a

1:27:06

pretty deep one and he said, I got that on the 13th.

1:27:09

They're like, hmm. Why do you know the date? Okay,

1:27:11

that's weird. Because it was like two days later. So

1:27:14

he goes, I got that on that Wednesday, which

1:27:16

is the day of the murder. So interesting. So

1:27:18

they ... Not happening. That's

1:27:21

how they do. So they release him for now while

1:27:23

his DNA gets cooking. And

1:27:26

as a suspect, obviously. That's always

1:27:28

number one suspect. Boyfriend

1:27:30

X boyfriend. That's who you're talking to. Jordan Kyle.

1:27:33

Let's talk to both of you. Jordan Kyle. Oh

1:27:36

yeah. So they talked to Jordan. He was

1:27:38

with her the night before. She

1:27:40

was dead Tuesday night. He said

1:27:42

at 10.45 AM on Wednesday, the day

1:27:44

of the murder, he had a conversation

1:27:46

with her on his cell phone before

1:27:48

he went to work plowing a field.

1:27:51

So he was out plowing. He

1:27:54

doesn't have a lot of punch in type things. He's

1:27:56

out plowing a field, which he could be a mile that

1:27:59

way. Sure. A lot of these

1:28:01

farm equipment today, plowing, those things got GPS

1:28:03

and just like a car, so they know

1:28:05

if that son of a bitch was running.

1:28:07

Probably not in 2006 though. Maybe

1:28:10

not. Nah, I don't think so. I'm not

1:28:12

going to do stuff. I'm trying to think of

1:28:14

like, yeah, I had a 2006 Dodge Ram, it

1:28:17

didn't have anything from the fucking GPS. No, fucking

1:28:19

out. No. If you have

1:28:21

a tractor that's however, it's all there's on it. Yeah,

1:28:23

navigation was legit. You were a baller in

1:28:25

2006. Oh, you got a Tom Tom on your dash? Built

1:28:28

into the dash, we would have though. Forget

1:28:31

about it. Forget it. Oh, wild. Didn't

1:28:33

work at all. Motherfucker. So, now

1:28:35

he said he didn't finish work until

1:28:37

about 8.40 PM and

1:28:39

he had just gone to bed

1:28:42

when his father came in and told

1:28:44

him at nine o'clock that Mindy

1:28:46

had been killed. Oh. So he said

1:28:49

that's how he found out from his dad just after he

1:28:51

went to bed after working in

1:28:53

the fields all day long. Being a plow boy, yeah. Yeah.

1:28:57

They interview him several times. They keep having him

1:28:59

come back again. Sure. Have

1:29:01

him tell that story one more time. How about

1:29:03

again? How about tomorrow? Yeah. Maybe

1:29:06

you'll forget. And Bruce, his

1:29:08

dad, he will say that his son

1:29:10

came out to the field about an hour before

1:29:12

the time. He said that

1:29:14

he came, he was in the field well

1:29:16

before 12.30. So he

1:29:18

said that between 12.30 and one, his

1:29:20

son was plowing the field and remained plowing the

1:29:23

field throughout the afternoon. Yeah.

1:29:25

So it's an alibi, but it's from his dad. So who

1:29:27

knows? Now how

1:29:30

about a suspicious man? Okay.

1:29:32

This guy here, one

1:29:35

guy that people stood out to

1:29:37

Mindy's friends, especially her one friend

1:29:39

Lacey. Lacey told a

1:29:41

police sergeant that the man was carrying

1:29:44

a laundry basket at one

1:29:46

point and appeared unaware of the ... This

1:29:49

guy was just walking around with a laundry basket and

1:29:51

everybody was out there like mourning and shit. And

1:29:54

their friend was like, this guy's weird. You

1:29:56

should check. Like a frog lady in Twin Peaks? You

1:29:58

should check on him. Yeah, yeah,

1:30:00

just like wandering through the complex almost

1:30:02

like like voyeuristically

1:30:04

hanging Oh a bunch

1:30:07

of people mourning just holding his laundry basket

1:30:09

like he went to the laundry room Yeah,

1:30:11

it's like hey, what's going on here? What

1:30:13

do we got like a little barbecue happening

1:30:15

in the front? But then just people cry

1:30:17

again carrying the laundry Yeah one more again

1:30:19

with the laundry and police detectives with notes

1:30:21

and shit, you know, it's

1:30:23

just strange stuff So that

1:30:25

guy is identified as Maurice

1:30:27

Mo Gibbs Yeah, actually

1:30:30

his name is Mo Maurice Gibbs. That's

1:30:32

his official name. Really? Yes Mo, which

1:30:34

is usually short for Maurice But in

1:30:36

this case it is Mo Maurice Gibbs

1:30:40

He is a

1:30:42

corrections officer. Oh or jail

1:30:44

He works at the jail the city jail So

1:30:46

I don't know if you got the CEO or just a

1:30:48

guard or whatever the fuck that is So he

1:30:51

he also had worked in

1:30:53

the past as a night security guard at

1:30:55

the University Okay, so

1:30:58

there's that guy He

1:31:00

was in the military as well. They asked

1:31:02

him about that. He said he had been

1:31:04

dishonorably discharged from the army because of an

1:31:06

assault So

1:31:08

they take his DNA kick his ass out

1:31:10

too. Yeah now Let's

1:31:14

talk to Kyle Yeah, step

1:31:16

up Kyle your turn. So Mindy

1:31:19

and Kyle broke stated for about two and a half

1:31:21

years they broke up a few months before the death

1:31:23

and According to him. He

1:31:26

says well, she had a very flirty personality

1:31:29

Okay, which is a just

1:31:32

a To

1:31:34

put put put down somebody who

1:31:36

is well dead. That's not even way

1:31:38

of down No, he didn't

1:31:40

say she blew everybody. She's a

1:31:42

flirty personality Which to me says

1:31:45

who knows she could have been talking

1:31:47

to anybody like that somebody yeah somebody

1:31:49

can serve her vicious Yeah, statement for

1:31:51

me for me. Yeah. Yeah my my

1:31:54

You know ears are up when I hear that. I don't

1:31:56

like anybody talking like that about people.

1:31:59

Yeah a very flirty personality.

1:32:01

He said that they had been in

1:32:03

contact for a while, or they

1:32:06

hadn't been, but she had been in contact with

1:32:08

his dad. His dad

1:32:11

called Mindy that afternoon of her

1:32:13

murder, yes, which is interesting.

1:32:15

Kyle's dad called. He

1:32:18

said that he had been

1:32:20

uncomfortable, Kyle was, with her

1:32:22

dad and Mindy still talking.

1:32:24

He didn't like that. That's

1:32:26

fucking weird, Dad. Weird. Yeah,

1:32:28

he said that it was actually ruining his

1:32:30

relationship with his father, that his father still

1:32:33

talked to his ex-girlfriend. Trying to fuck my

1:32:35

ex-girlfriend, Dad. That's what it looks like. I

1:32:37

don't know what you are, but that's what

1:32:39

it feels like. Either way, it's creepy. You

1:32:41

have kids. Good enough here, so

1:32:43

stop doing this shit. They brought

1:32:45

Dad in, and it is revealed that

1:32:47

Dad was one of the last people to call

1:32:49

Mindy, actually. They take

1:32:51

DNA from both of them. Neither of them

1:32:55

are a match on the DNA. They are ruled out, obviously.

1:32:58

None of their DNA is laying around. How about

1:33:00

a weirdo? Let's talk about the town weirdo. Bring

1:33:02

him in. Yeah, there's a grand trailer down the

1:33:04

way. Yeah, a few weeks

1:33:06

here before she had

1:33:08

died, first of all, there

1:33:11

was Taurus guy. That's one guy. Then

1:33:13

there's another guy. She had gone

1:33:15

to the police station to report that

1:33:17

someone had been following her. Oh.

1:33:20

Someone's following her. Now she's dead in her apartment. That's

1:33:23

a pretty good avenue to

1:33:25

go on. She was very scared, and she

1:33:27

told all of her mom and friends about it, too. She

1:33:29

felt like she was being followed.

1:33:32

Like I said, she worked at the restaurant,

1:33:34

and there was one guy

1:33:36

who lived across the street from the restaurant in

1:33:39

a camper. I don't like

1:33:41

that. He is described as,

1:33:43

quote, a drifter and

1:33:45

loner, which is ... Yeah,

1:33:47

he was a fucking camper. When you

1:33:49

find this girl dead, the

1:33:52

first thing you say, are there any drifters or

1:33:54

loners about? That's like the first thing they think

1:33:56

about. Possibly a guy

1:33:58

who lives alone. Has

1:34:01

nobody. Non-traditional housing, we'll call

1:34:03

it. Yeah. You

1:34:06

know what I'm saying? Lives in a fucking

1:34:08

camper. Yep. Is a little bit creepy.

1:34:10

That's the first guy you talked to

1:34:12

in town. Does he live in something? Is

1:34:14

his domicile perhaps something that

1:34:17

people can only tolerate for 3 to 5

1:34:19

days? Does

1:34:22

he empty his shitter ever? Is that a

1:34:24

thing that happens? Because I

1:34:26

don't have to empty my house shitter.

1:34:28

Does he oftentimes have to hook up

1:34:30

a hose to his building? Let's talk

1:34:33

to him. Let's talk to the shit hose guy. Bring

1:34:35

your, come on in and bring your shit hose

1:34:37

Mr. Drifter. Bring it with you. Does he have

1:34:39

to plug his house in? Yes, that's what I'm

1:34:41

wondering. To like an extension cord

1:34:44

coming out of the gas station. So,

1:34:48

he's a drifter and a loner. They bring him in

1:34:50

for questioning. He tells the police that

1:34:52

he didn't know Mindy and had never been in

1:34:54

the restaurant. Meanwhile,

1:34:57

he lives across the street and all

1:34:59

that sort of thing. He also had cuts on his

1:35:01

arm as well. He

1:35:03

said he was doing some maintenance work and that's

1:35:05

how he got cuts on his arm. That's right. Yeah.

1:35:10

He had to empty the chemical toilet. For

1:35:12

work, like he was making a couple of

1:35:14

bucks. That's how he buys, you know. Yeah.

1:35:17

So, they get DNA from this guy.

1:35:19

His DNA is not a match either.

1:35:22

He was the front runner. People were like, that's the

1:35:24

guy. It's a

1:35:26

match for something probably. Yes. And

1:35:28

the friends had said that guy had come in the

1:35:30

restaurant and asked for her and all that. Now he's

1:35:32

lying to them too. So, either he just knows I'm

1:35:34

the drifter loner. They're

1:35:37

going to question me. I better deny everything.

1:35:39

And that's what he did or he's suspicious,

1:35:41

but the DNA doesn't match. So, moving

1:35:44

on. Excluded. Get the fuck out. He

1:35:46

goes. Now we're going to go back

1:35:48

to Momo Reese Gibbs over here. Yeah.

1:35:50

Okay. Because they want to talk to him because

1:35:52

they just get a weird vibe off this guy.

1:35:54

And he's got an assault in the past that

1:35:57

he talked about, which isn't big. It's an assault.

1:35:59

You punch a guy or something. It's not the

1:36:01

same as stabbing a woman to death, obviously. They

1:36:04

search his vehicle and no evidence

1:36:06

of anything is found in there. There's no

1:36:09

blood at all they find or anything like

1:36:11

that, and no pine saw. He has a

1:36:14

trunk full of pine saw. That's

1:36:16

his signature. He's the pine saw killer. He's

1:36:20

got a bunch of bottles he buys in bulk.

1:36:22

He's planting a real assault on the Valley City

1:36:24

area. His

1:36:26

apartment is also searched. No

1:36:29

evidence linking him to Mindy or to

1:36:31

her death founder in his apartment as

1:36:33

well. He lives right by her.

1:36:35

He's in the apartment complex.

1:36:38

September 18th, this is five

1:36:40

days after the murder, DNA

1:36:43

results all come back in. Here we go. Now,

1:36:47

first of all, before we get to that, no

1:36:50

scratches were noticed on Gibbs' hands, but

1:36:52

he had scratches on his hands because

1:36:54

he indicated that he did have some

1:36:56

cuts on his hands. Gibbs said

1:36:58

himself. He said he had some

1:37:01

cuts on his left hand and on his

1:37:03

right hand. He said he cut himself while

1:37:05

moving boxes the day after the murder

1:37:07

is what he said because

1:37:10

he and his wife are at this

1:37:12

time and were during that week in

1:37:14

the process of moving out of this

1:37:16

apartment complex. They're

1:37:18

packing and shit like that. He

1:37:21

says, and also he cut himself, quote,

1:37:23

while putting in or removing his stepdaughter

1:37:25

from the car seat, which

1:37:28

I've never heard of that before.

1:37:30

They generally make those real rounded

1:37:33

edges soft. Thank you. Say

1:37:35

the obvious. Why would they do that, Jimmy?

1:37:37

Those are children that are sitting there. They're

1:37:39

babies in them. That's why. Yeah.

1:37:42

There's a one-year-old just flailing out. They would

1:37:44

be a fucking fountain of blood afterwards. They're

1:37:46

just a sprinkler. Which Greco has

1:37:48

the razor blade edge? Yeah, no. There

1:37:51

is no way you could cut yourself on a car