0:05

oh man, it is finally good to be here solo,

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you know, this is the way i always envisioned

0:11

the podcast and it

0:13

was called smart and then they want added

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and that

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would say it was say it thing they

0:20

get their whole thing is like, no less is

0:22

more and i'm like no man, less

0:25

is less anyway,

0:27

welcome to smart les

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schwab

0:48

well where'd you go sean oh so

0:50

i went to go visit will and then i went

0:52

on vacation with you

0:54

we're me when yes

0:56

oh no jays my memories not so good own

0:58

jail leave me isn't a did you switch

1:01

com is not related but did you switch com

1:03

is recently that this one says of

1:05

memory socks on it and

1:08

, gotta deal with

1:10

by the way for the way speaker memory suck

1:13

sean and other know it is not related but

1:15

i texted jason last night or that it for

1:17

gamers

1:19

alone

1:20

the discovery that show about people

1:22

being such a little bit of you manage

1:24

now i wanna see that chastened and trying to get me

1:26

to watch it or both of us for a year at least

1:29

at least oh yes jason you're talking

1:31

about that yeah i'm i'm in that dude

1:33

the target in yeah okay

1:35

right i mean it is hundred kind

1:38

of cinematic to write it like she gets

1:40

old dark and creepy and the sounds

1:42

in the little for the like make on afraid or naked

1:45

and afraid looks like a kennel

1:47

like the difference il is kind like survivor of com

1:49

a grab assay and you know kind of aging

1:51

seats up there was me last night negative for

1:53

negative naked and afraid plan afraid lot of ground locked

1:55

my keys i love to further reduce

1:57

further house of know that everybody was getting

1:59

dipping and then but anyway the

2:03

, is that that is the people

2:05

shown they take ten people put them in the woods and whoever can

2:07

last the longest with literally like a thing

2:09

to to not even a mat shot all i would

2:11

think about as blair witch and i well

2:13

and there are people hilariously

2:16

who are like man i'm going to give this beer run for its

2:18

money and then the and then the guy doesn't even make their

2:22

own personal survival is to wait but do

2:24

to do but they're getting chased by a bear is like

2:26

something from the cruise step in and there is no there's

2:28

no crew you got a bunch of golden road else

2:30

yeah a bunch of [unk] preview of years at a joking me

2:32

now i gotta watch this it's pretty great

2:35

credit great i can't wait till you get to the can

2:37

he was feeling bears you're not i'm not talking

2:39

about that gave their got a i'm not the type of gotta

2:42

you know a ended up

2:44

going to do you have been areas of chasing

2:46

me that i haven't shot it inside rawhide

2:48

at twenty versus yeah

2:51

okay listen speaking of twenty first and aids

2:53

which makes it takes me to new york this is a segway

2:55

a beyond those segues

2:57

the guy can actually something i'm

2:59

really excited because i don't know this

3:02

person at we we have had a passing

3:04

hello i think a few times over the years

3:07

but he's one of those people that i've always i'm

3:10

gonna say i'm always absolutely

3:13

adored his career in

3:15

what he does is you bear and

3:17

, he is no no he's not

3:19

a he is too talented from

3:21

the get he's been doing and a long time and

3:23

he's about it all of our age but

3:26

he's been doing it and we've all been admiring

3:28

him for a really long time that

3:30

was even making movies and then directing

3:33

movies and then writing movies in writing

3:35

plays and writing bots and then

3:37

going back and doing this that she's been doing in

3:39

a really long sucked into you respect this guy like

3:41

you not yet but we'll be as a certain look as

3:44

face as a certain i do listen

3:46

listen mister guess before i meet you just

3:48

know that so so ill will i see is

3:50

not phoning this one in he know got

3:52

you've got something is true out

3:54

does he doesn't in i was impressed

3:56

i've always been like ah man that's all that

3:58

was so good and everything he's he's

4:01

really good and he's stuff that's been different

4:04

from from where you started to, where he

4:06

is it's just always it up and

4:08

think that's the hallmark of somebody really

4:11

curious, it really talented they keep

4:13

trying to do different stuff and mentioned the books and

4:15

the plays and you know, i mean, this guy,

4:18

this guy hehehe on

4:20

cannibalism in one of his he he

4:22

stood on the top of his desk and another

4:24

one of his movies, he was

4:27

get the space, but could even have the right

4:29

dna, another one of these his

4:31

movies he's now he's

4:35

been he's doing this new over

4:37

on, i guess on disney plus,

4:40

it's at right now he's doing a film on netflix he's got

4:42

importantly, a new documentary that he directed

4:44

that is about pain than joy that

4:47

offered ethan hawke good

4:55

morning i just watched

4:57

the black phone is that what it's called that's

4:59

what it's called you are always i just watched

5:01

it last it's i've been telling everybody about

5:04

it you're amazing telling that movie

5:06

well face yeah in love

5:08

that movie want to see it i'm glad movie got

5:10

a legit intro from will intro i feel

5:12

honored and a legit smile at sean

5:14

hayes is usually faking legit most

5:16

of the time smiles come easy to him but

5:18

that's genuine yeah

5:21

wow that's a pleasure and honor to meet

5:23

you know it really is i mean anything we've never

5:25

really met we is dunno if you remember we one time

5:27

ribs each other on the street the

5:30

west village you probably don't ever arrive via

5:32

rye or emre hire you remember that

5:34

you don't know

5:37

, were i was really glad

5:40

i think you're with sure my i

5:42

know john sherman yeah

5:44

yeah i was wearing a shirt as ring of brian jonestown

5:47

massacre teacher does like fifteen years ago

5:49

and uses when i said see how to sherman you went

5:51

to him in as too soon as extensive as

5:55

those sites and he's a he's

5:57

and was in a tube top a tasteful what a tasteful

5:59

for one it now i was talking with

6:01

somebody yesterday about that toppled

6:03

paul newman document or i cannot wait to see i

6:05

want to see that i just started that was talk about

6:07

how how to disk how did this happen for you

6:09

isn't this dog well i

6:12

was the great before

6:14

the pandemic started and as given out

6:16

of the shower and my apartment in the

6:19

, rang and i got it sounds eyes are closed

6:21

he's got a nice any i often authorized

6:23

to finish analysts if i for tesla tesla

6:27

as as i picked up the phone you know how like now

6:29

when the phone rings you don't know the person's name

6:31

is it should never answer it does

6:34

as well have i just decided what they are

6:36

decided what it up and it turns out it was some paul

6:39

newman and joanne woodward youngest

6:42

child a who got my number from

6:44

a friend and she's like introduce

6:46

yourself and said i really want you to direct a documentary

6:48

about my parents ice com

6:51

a big my first thought was how the hell do i get

6:54

out of this stuff via an

6:56

assistant just sounded like so much work

7:00

in , i talk to your for awhile

7:02

about what she had why she thought it would be good

7:05

good i tried to recommend some other people other she

7:08

was like no up what i'm asking you

7:10

a sec will they

7:12

let me think about affirmative and i just couldn't

7:15

figure out a way to say no when i

7:17

first arrived in new york fallen in love with acting

7:19

they work me , to be corny

7:21

but they had kind of a god like status you would

7:23

see them sometimes that an opening and the

7:26

fact that they two headed

7:28

see the such a high level and six different

7:30

ways you know she was kinda like the actors accuracy

7:32

was teaching acting she was obsessed

7:35

with theater ran around

7:37

theater company and you know he was a card

7:40

carrying cinema luminary and

7:43

the been married for fifty years so whatever you think

7:45

it can't be done the image

7:47

of poland's un would be in my brain like while

7:49

he could live a good life would be a decent person

7:51

and make great arts and have love

7:54

the i i basically as the kids

7:58

if by doing this was gonna find

7:59

out anything that was really revolting

8:02

and rafinha like a i lived there

8:05

your image of them exactly i love my fantasy

8:07

version and i thought it is this it is

8:09

is remotely accurate near

8:12

like yes it's remotely accurate anyway

8:14

i couldn't figure out ways say no so i said

8:16

yes and then the

8:18

three years went by rec his fifth last

8:20

you know it's so crazy that you're on here i was

8:22

think these this kind of stuff as is now how

8:25

many just texted me like two days ago that i'm in that

8:27

i mean that that no way yeah there's

8:29

like a photo of me or something that they cut

8:32

to at the theater in connecticut

8:36

i'm really really weird bizarre

8:38

and then we have you wondered about for that some sort

8:40

of and have no idea did have a lot of i'm

8:42

now of a sudden legal hell and anguish

8:45

, like and get embroidered of nobody

8:47

likes to litigate was on his weight

8:50

so easily this is amazing so now here

8:52

you are twenty twenty two you've just made this been

8:54

last three years your life make a documentary about

8:56

paul newman joanne woodward and less

8:58

read this really rewind soon

9:01

with the only reason i signed away

9:03

nice so now you're you're

9:05

what was the first was your first acting gig

9:08

and will where you're not from new york i was

9:10

you feel like it's such a quintessential new yorker

9:12

to me me where you from

9:14

murray would you grow up were born

9:17

in austin texas my

9:20

parents split up and i traveled or my dad

9:22

stayed in texas sized spend summers

9:24

in taxes and my mom old are you in they split

9:26

up on me three in

9:30

an , does that and is linear we know

9:32

now that you've gotta bring us

9:34

probably bring us pain it's rape a notice no pain

9:36

no paints are there

9:38

there my mother bounced around

9:40

a lot from atlanta said connecticut

9:43

to vermont to brooklyn to new

9:45

jersey the graduate

9:47

high school in jersey it's a series of bank robberies

9:50

or what was your and address where

9:52

, have to ask are both did she

9:54

says she was eighteen when eighteen was born so

9:57

he was trying to figure out who she was and

9:59

get changing jobs and changing

10:02

yeah her identity so to speak i

10:04

mean not as a bank robber not literally your i

10:06

didn't know and can use you can med ice

10:08

to saying that like i'm ,

10:10

two and i'm still trying to figure

10:12

out out i am a man

10:15

waves all you don't play like but you can't

10:17

you don't play a day over thirty five and will

10:19

take that as well as old as

10:21

just maybe the navy or let maybe

10:24

thirty nine years nine mean have with as

10:26

the sleds let him know it's funny as in

10:28

it's funny intro you were talking about

10:30

he was say nice things about me about curiosity

10:33

and things a but i feel that way to

10:35

the whole time as making this documentary this can

10:37

thing to the editor i'm not a documentary

10:39

filmmaker i don't know what to do i mean i i

10:42

i , know how to do this and

10:45

a dude enjoyed doing that put yourself

10:47

in that position where you have that beginners

10:49

mind sensibility yeah yeah

10:52

you feel closer to yeah now you

10:54

door this only

10:56

one thing i feel close to or which

10:58

is acting as the only thing i know anything

11:01

about at the other writing

11:04

doing other things it's

11:06

a similar exercise is a storytelling

11:09

right but i but i don't know

11:11

i don't feel closer to it it feels just

11:13

as mysterious as you've done some directing

11:15

they'll have been you yeah a bunch image

11:18

and at that that that you feel a closer poulter

11:20

acting and directing when

11:22

a great thing about directing is

11:24

eager to choose your material and you get the

11:26

hire people so everybody that you're

11:28

working with people that you like to be around

11:31

is afoot when when you're an actor you often get

11:33

set on these sets three like let's

11:35

discuss such an asshole and whites who

11:38

, her and alchemy alchemy

11:40

a or for you get into

11:42

a situation where you really like the characters

11:45

something the director

11:47

envisioned it completely different and your

11:49

imagination sir like at war with each

11:51

other and yeah and that doesn't happen

11:53

when you directing i wanted to

11:55

say used to when when when is it strikes me

11:57

so again like you get to go

11:59

in in you'd you're directing some

12:02

and directing a documentary some all

12:05

because probably be a lot of it because

12:07

have you been so good they're acting

12:10

for so long and i get at this is have been a couple

12:12

times of the show but you

12:14

, jason are similar in that you guys started

12:16

young edu continued

12:18

in and done great stuff and there was

12:20

used to sort of that the dangers of being a child

12:22

actor and below blah but you guys going to sidestep

12:25

the lot of that and stayed true to and it continued

12:28

and and you do keeps

12:30

getting better and is and it's unusual

12:32

a in that some even a question

12:34

as more of as statement or an observational but

12:36

what was that moment because i wanted to go back before

12:39

what was what was the first thing you audition for

12:41

mature men was we were using your mom were

12:43

need to audition for this to was she like there's

12:45

a part available added to pursue

12:48

the already okay i'll

12:50

try to do it fast it is some sir you have

12:52

your story about your child's

12:54

acting is dangerous a lot of the people this is

12:56

is that we came up with their dead in of

12:58

yeah i mean and there's not a bunch of on that

13:00

have that are that are still making

13:02

a living i mean i i i

13:04

don't see that to brag on just i'm so

13:07

i'm so proud of of us have

13:09

any one that kinda is somehow navigate

13:13

, that transition from kid too

13:15

young adults who were other cause it's so sickle

13:17

and it's not about who's good it's

13:20

just who can kind of stay like

13:23

kind of semi cool to hire a hire don't

13:25

mean to sound like a cynic by die you know oftentimes

13:27

doesn't have anything to do a talent i think well

13:30

and it has to do with i

13:32

don't think it has to do a towel on it does had to do

13:34

with a little bit your dna who

13:37

brought you up your ability to handle

13:39

failure i'm your ability

13:41

to grow from failure you know i saw i

13:44

talked to martha plimpton the other day and the phone is

13:46

used has grown up to be such a remarkable

13:48

human beings as if you don't do the stuff

13:50

on the inside your talent dies

13:53

young you know if or it just gets it

13:55

gets beaten up my first

13:58

my mom i didn't ever winners we're my

14:00

mom and get home from work till seven says you

14:02

need me to do you know i needed

14:04

to be doing something in the winner says she

14:06

signed me up for an acting class at the paul robes

14:09

and center for performing arts in

14:11

princeton new jersey and i went

14:13

to this class and they had a guest

14:15

speaker com who did like a little

14:17

improv thing and i

14:19

really i was a giant hammers a kid

14:22

and numb after classy came up

14:24

to me the parking lot he said would you like to be

14:26

he was running the mccarter theater and princeton and

14:29

he said would you like to be in a play sure

14:32

and i was done was paid

14:34

was paid a spear and it

14:36

was you know when george bernard shaw st john

14:39

but , did display and and

14:41

just couldn't believe beat around

14:43

all these adults who are having so much

14:45

so it was sitting there talking

14:47

about god and levin

14:50

sword fighting and you know is

14:52

all his they were having

14:54

so much more fun than my parents were something

14:57

, a sudden i loves watching these

15:00

people in rehearsal and so

15:03

after the play was over i

15:05

heard through a friend of mine about

15:07

some open casting calls in new york

15:10

and i just started riding the train and to new

15:12

york with this other kid and going

15:14

on as some of the big of casting calls in

15:16

one of a was explores how old were you

15:18

when you are just let go to go on your own

15:20

on a train into new thirteen

15:24

wow

15:25

yeah that's pretty clean yeah a lot of i

15:27

should say a lot of my friends' parents

15:29

wouldn't let them sleep over at my house because

15:31

they thought my mother was too lenient with

15:36

, see why sheath oh yes

15:39

yes went to new york by i met with to i went to europe

15:41

by myself and road the euro when i was

15:43

i summerhayes

15:45

yes she she put a high value

15:48

on independence and independence

15:50

think if she'd had i think kid i

15:52

would have been and drug rehab or dead

15:54

by eighteen see on but but

15:57

for some reason it suited me i really liked

15:59

my independence you're lucky enough to find a thing

16:01

that brought you joy at such a young

16:03

age which i think is key to use

16:06

success yoga again

16:08

unusual not a lot of beauty and you know so

16:11

exposes the first your first

16:13

film is that it first a gig yeah yeah

16:15

and who that was it with river

16:17

phoenix directed by joe dante yeah

16:20

wow was reversion next the is is

16:22

is dead poet's the thing that kind of broke

16:24

you like the another

16:27

all as had having you mean broke

16:29

like not like killed me but i have

16:31

a see i like broke your life you

16:33

broke into the picture definitely the success

16:35

that movie gave me a career yeah that's

16:38

amazing his successors ominous so

16:40

to so to talk about why you're

16:42

not you , or a drug

16:44

addict robin liquor stores and and doing

16:46

all that stuff even though you were brought up and

16:48

and you know a kind of of a permissive

16:51

a house it sounds like a in in

16:53

a good way you were given rope to like

16:56

you are trusted so you gave your mom reason not

16:58

to and not to just ended up beyond

17:00

okay now can , take some credit

17:03

yourself that you just kind of came out with

17:05

a with a with a good head on your shoulders

17:07

and thank god for that i

17:11

just think it's a dance isn't it you know

17:13

i think a lot of us with the wrong parents

17:16

could be really bad

17:18

situation on what

17:20

leads to my mind when you ask me that as i think about

17:22

my oldest maya she's acting she's

17:25

on stranger things right now of in

17:27

weight your daughters and stranger things yes things

17:29

yes one is a she plays robin

17:32

get on it you gotta be kidding me mad men

17:35

had no idea that was your daughter she's fantastic

17:37

sure yet he's not getting him for fucks

17:39

sake says as honest as

17:41

know so i didn't know that yes

17:43

was the she's she's a

17:45

remarkable young woman then

17:48

i did some things right

17:50

and i did something's wrong in

17:52

who she is is the person

17:54

who is able to differentiate

17:58

right i'll make sense that of her own life

17:59

and what did you give her that

18:02

did you give her that tool a mean the about

18:04

answer probably is no i mean she's just

18:07

kind of thing she was born with it yeah exactly

18:09

yeah she's you weren't going to stop her

18:12

i remember a member of four years old at

18:14

being

18:15

pretty sure that she was gonna be an artist i

18:17

mean it was just the way she related a watercolor

18:20

and eat sure it's a photograph

18:22

and she would

18:24

seems the composition of it and if

18:26

you read or a poem and she likes it she would memorize

18:29

it a mystery just anything that touches the arts

18:31

with a part of her n

18:34

n i didn't did i give her that give

18:36

mean he's mean example for years

18:39

the about why it's a dance is

18:41

we were having a hard time obe says am i missing

18:43

this and she's in her the early adolescence

18:46

in

18:47

just a salary you know we need spend some time together

18:50

and i said ahead of

18:52

had a week off

18:53

then

18:54

that you get a funny i actually wrote in the calendar that

18:56

movie was starting like in the twenty third of

18:59

march and i was just wrong it was starting

19:01

to dirtiest so i thought i

19:03

was supposed to leave town of a sudden was a cheese

19:05

i'm home with nothing to do and

19:08

i wince you are an assiduous and assiduous know you

19:10

have nord time with time

19:12

and i'm getting on your nerves everything but i think the

19:14

answer is let's go

19:16

i want to spend a week with you like i've

19:18

got nothing to do for week and i

19:20

talk to your mom and i'm going to get a school

19:22

and we're just gonna go be together for a week and

19:25

i said i'll take you anywhere you want to

19:27

ohio and , was sure she'd

19:29

say paris or something united or

19:31

vamos reaction to are going to say go

19:33

to school gonna spend a week together i

19:36

don't think she liked spending a week with me but

19:38

she like getting out of school fiasco of

19:40

school or yes but she said she

19:42

said she wanted to go see gracefully wow

19:45

are completely shocked me has

19:47

one want to go to greece lance to sick

19:49

i don't know but she been watching elvis videos

19:52

on youtube you know and

19:54

she just loved him and

19:56

him and i took her to graceland and we walked

19:58

into son studios

20:00

and she said dad

20:03

and she showed me her arm all

20:05

the hair on her arm was standing

20:08

up you know they that thing we get shivers

20:10

yeah as , a key feel

20:12

a to feel this room room

20:14

i'm never thinking i don't know if

20:16

that's this room or her

20:19

like the room is magical

20:21

but you have to have an awareness of why

20:23

it's why for your hair like

20:26

see understood what

20:28

son studios missed and

20:30

she was and she cared about it was interested

20:32

in it she understood with sam posters

20:35

up to his yes she understood a

20:37

lot of that because i talked about it by you

20:39

can i talk about the dallas cowboys to and she

20:41

doesn't care about that either so it's a said

20:44

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20:47

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i want to go back to when you were starting

26:00

because a questions or my head about

26:03

dry , like you know when you're starting out as an actor

26:05

he said he to this plane a ghost that was kind of amazing

26:08

and throwing the rental as adults and then

26:10

i think in people's minds of people

26:12

who has the has successful as you other people

26:14

think oh it's just snowballed and it was

26:16

great and i never stopped working but there

26:19

are always dry spells for actors especially

26:21

when you're starting out starting your younger how

26:23

do you get through those did you doubt yourself

26:25

how did yourself get through that doubts and we ever

26:27

like i'm a can't find jobs maybe

26:29

this isn't working maybe this chose the wrong thing

26:32

i say this a lot and

26:35

people think i'm kidding when i said

26:37

which i guess is a compliment or something but i'm definitely

26:40

with certain i was washed up at three

26:42

different times including you know

26:45

it's as though there were three different

26:47

chapters of my life forensic oh

26:49

wow it's over

26:51

like i didn't i didn't know

26:53

it was going to end them because when you when

26:55

you have success young that

26:58

hijacks your brain and a negative way

27:00

which is set to , to think oh

27:03

the world's on my side you know a guy

27:05

justice justice when

27:07

i was a t like that's my break now

27:09

i'm a made man and then all

27:11

of all sudden the

27:14

the four years go by and

27:16

you do

27:17

six other movies and they're all failures

27:20

and then you want to audition for some

27:22

happening movie and nobody

27:24

will even wants to let you audition cause

27:26

they've heard of view and they know they don't like the

27:29

right visit this all these other twenty four

27:32

year olds that it's just graduating college another

27:34

finding themselves they're coming

27:36

out of the you know them just graduated from this

27:38

trauma programs and everybody's really

27:40

excited about this no no

27:42

we don't want that kid from dead poet's society i saw that terrible

27:45

mystery date is awful other

27:48

i remember

27:50

remember overhearing

27:52

the mom

27:54

film exact like like

27:55

it was i was in the bathroom and it was sick of president

27:58

and paramount or something and and

28:00

he was like yeah america

28:03

cast his vote for ethan hawke him he's

28:05

not a movie star he'll never make it so

28:07

mm mm because moonlight it was that

28:09

after a premier some movie i did on sick

28:11

oh my god in

28:14

, come rushing out go with what are these

28:16

where's the tally snow i i

28:18

hid inside the you have clear

28:20

as people talk like that all the time

28:22

they the time to write people off you know they're

28:25

either building you up are tearing down

28:27

here are either in the process of one of

28:30

ups and i've had three different times

28:32

where i really

28:33

was scared

28:35

in ah because i love it i

28:37

love doing it and

28:40

i think the joke is that it's how

28:42

you handle those moments when you because

28:45

we're , constantly being asked to transition

28:47

you know even even now my beards going

28:50

gray and you know i know

28:52

, to transition as an actor as to become

28:54

a different actor for

28:57

and if you try to stay the same person

28:59

you were ten years ago you try to stick

29:01

yourself from formaldehyde because people like you

29:03

then he , is die

29:06

you have that says he has to be willing to let it

29:08

all go as danger from your gender

29:10

being wrong for the part if you keep

29:12

if you stay in the same five years he has inspired

29:14

helmets almas easy to do so you

29:16

what your was it you started millipore your theater

29:18

company that was in the early nineties early

29:21

nineties ninety one and where is that

29:23

even even was the theater company

29:25

that

29:26

right after you

29:29

know the couple years after dead poet's society

29:31

and i had drops out of college and

29:33

ah what's , about what city

29:36

is it and near city we have our at

29:38

i took some of the money i made in says rented a seat

29:40

or on forty second street and i

29:42

had a lot of brilliant friends just charles

29:45

robert sean leonard jumped on board chairman

29:47

steve zahn arm arm

29:49

bunch of different men and women that

29:51

were young artists and we just decided to dedicate

29:53

ourselves to producing young

29:56

people's work young know work the work

29:58

of our own generation

29:59

put a nice little place it was it was

30:02

a it was a real sensation and and i can

30:04

tell you as an actor had moved to new york in nineteen

30:06

ninety from toronto and i did know a single

30:08

person it was very intimidating could

30:10

you guys had that i knew some

30:12

people naked angels you guys were kind of the answer

30:14

to naked angels you were like the next generation

30:17

is all these great guys

30:20

in in doing all this amazing stuff but i was

30:22

thinking that must have given you quite

30:24

a bit of a ,

30:26

but at least something that could get to sort of

30:28

take your mind away from all the politics

30:31

in the bullshit about being a movie star

30:33

and actually just focus on doing your thing

30:35

is that is there any truth to that you know

30:38

it's a sinner wonder what you would sit when we talk about

30:40

survivor been a young actor what

30:42

actually pop through my head is

30:44

my friends

30:46

i had really good friends

30:48

a job just a good choice for that such

30:51

a good dude hello to charge he says it's

30:53

a with when you have good friends

30:55

who

30:57

they to you

30:58

really stuck up your know

31:00

you been you know is what are you been hanging out with your

31:02

agency long you sound like you're on an interview

31:05

and you have friends that you admire the

31:08

way that they think about art or the

31:10

way the days i think that

31:13

your friends can save your life and

31:15

if you don't have the right

31:17

friends i know like sometimes

31:20

i just feel so lucky that about

31:23

the friends that friends made them

31:24

they're the ones who kept me alive and kept

31:26

me thinking amen to that in also crossing

31:29

paths with people that are behaving

31:31

in a way that you recognize as a way that you

31:33

don't want to be that's

31:35

also really import yeah i can you know what i'm glad

31:37

you said that you could jason is that

31:39

really stuck i'm

31:42

rolling let me know

31:45

, if you know out you know even are thinking

31:47

what are your friends i knew i knew a lot of those guys

31:50

from way back in the day before the guys is josh

31:53

hamilton josh with me when he did that because

31:56

i was living with the missy jaeger

31:58

was my go for the time when they do wow you

32:00

via with kenny arrogance is it

32:02

was rough alone in that josh

32:04

was so brilliant in that man he was so so

32:06

fucking that it has made me think of forty second street

32:09

and fear executive i did miss

32:11

easy to play with me at at mallifert

32:13

yes the right business and

32:15

either you know i always i ask a bunch

32:17

of people who come on this show who are in the

32:19

theater is yemeni great like tragic

32:22

but funny theater stories that happened to you

32:24

are like one night i'll say i

32:26

have one i don't think i've shared with you guys i'm

32:28

one night i just did this place called good

32:30

night oscar in chicago hopefully it's gonna new york

32:33

and i'm were deafening of and thirty

32:35

was there when was that i am

32:38

in the middle of the in the middle of

32:40

a towards him the play i have

32:42

to play the piano every night and part of

32:44

the story and in the front row

32:47

there's two girls that were

32:49

bombed wasted out of their mind

32:51

drunk and while

32:53

i'm playing it's i'm really intimate like kind

32:56

of moment in the place and these

32:58

girls every time girls just like i would

33:00

play like every ten seconds they go

33:09

and i was like the rest of the audience

33:11

is completely silent and the

33:13

guys would come down they try to get on the stage

33:16

it was insanity you were

33:18

doing display in a theater there's

33:20

as a sunset just i was

33:22

just sent row bombed

33:25

way it was so that

33:27

, have a i have i of good

33:29

theater stories we're not trying to wrap up

33:31

ago with the front rows i did a place

33:34

called hurly burly with josh hamilton bobby

33:36

cannavale he parker posey of foreboding

33:38

the volleys a lot agree people's

33:40

but the director had this idea that

33:43

my character was kind of a drug addict neared you

33:45

well type said that i

33:47

should be on the stage passed

33:49

out with as the audience answers

33:51

by so at the twenty

33:53

but when the it doors opened i would

33:56

have to be that be my underwear was supposed

33:58

to be like saying it off my but and

34:00

i'm sitting my underwear completely collapsed

34:02

on a living room couch right

34:05

the just supposed to be bob and

34:08

people would come and sit down they

34:10

would see me and it was like they

34:13

were looking at their television they would just talk

34:15

about me like , wasn't

34:17

there is and because i first couple rows i could

34:19

just hear you know he's a really terrible person

34:21

i read this article people magazine where the same

34:25

related or not , real massage

34:28

units of of i don't like and i'm having a listen

34:30

and i can't like i want to with them

34:32

i had my

34:34

, on a true associate

34:37

with an entry entry will be

34:39

so foolish as you could we do this or what it

34:41

says hijacked for would move in touch with

34:44

interrupting in which is where open up with i

34:46

was just since out here getting a coffee

34:48

with my middle son and my

34:50

partner my girl were getting coffee mrs hood

34:52

comes by with their grandson and her

34:54

son would ever see standing

34:57

ominous standing sick speak to me then

34:59

she looking at me but talk in recent

35:01

she goes and , i can't really

35:03

remember his name bad bad

35:06

that aside

35:08

i'm having for and i'm stuck on as beds

35:10

and see six feet ammo i just want to be like hey

35:12

you know i'm i live near

35:14

yes i'm breathing right here

35:17

have no rafferty anyway so you're on

35:19

is expiring who directed that version of hurly

35:21

burly

35:22

scott elliot

35:23

of course yeah yeah

35:26

that's of i had another time where my

35:28

friend died on stage with me how bout that

35:30

we what do you mean like ,

35:32

like literally a great canadian actor richard

35:34

easton we have seen in a tom

35:37

stoppard's coast of utopia where he had to scream

35:39

at me i'm i'm know yeah

35:41

i will not lend you any more money he had

35:43

this huge thing where he and his final

35:45

line was and that's my last

35:47

word know if he's as

35:49

he said his tongue fell

35:52

out of his mouth the way like a brick

35:54

would fall out but something was wrong

35:58

and then then

35:59

the hit the ground like

36:02

you know i mean face first the

36:05

spurs a and

36:07

i was so frozen

36:10

i could i'm stare at an a new emit a little

36:12

just women's you know the audience

36:14

thought that that that's part of the play right

36:16

regular kind of see my my final word many

36:19

hits close and unsanitary

36:21

and i don't know it's i'm looking at the audience in they're all

36:24

laughing and i just my

36:26

brain just went to the dark side was accused

36:28

it i'm that guy that

36:30

guy's dead my friend is dead

36:32

wasn't and i don't know what to do and martha

36:34

plimpton was in the wings and she came out and

36:36

she was so ballsy she came

36:38

out she was just like is there a doctor in

36:40

the house is

36:41

doctor in the house and this

36:43

dude in the third rose i'm a doctor

36:45

in the west the audience is still laughing podiatrist

36:47

but i'm here know , was and

36:50

then the prop guy came out and they didn't would

36:52

he calmly higher cpr they did

36:54

cpr on him and so he was dead for

36:56

seven minutes and they revived it might spend

36:58

all day when lincoln center know

37:00

whereas drawing applause know that said

37:02

that the audience had been evacuated was no applause

37:05

for life so ways i'm at yes

37:07

while i'm glad we were laughing because it has a good outcome

37:10

yeah yeah yeah he survived and he actually

37:12

returned to the show about two months later

37:14

who have i was at was heart attack

37:16

or something area here get a full blown heart

37:18

attack right there since day one they

37:21

are ethan i've got a question for you something

37:24

that is or i would assume our

37:26

is unique to eat young

37:28

young actors that that become adults

37:31

something that i saw i saw

37:33

with struggle with but i remember being it sounds

37:35

and wonder if you had the same thing when

37:37

you start training yourself to

37:40

convincing as another person

37:44

the time when you're still trying to figure

37:46

out who you are or who you're going

37:48

to be com right as as a child you

37:50

know where we don't really figure out who were going to be like

37:52

toward sixteen seventeen some whatever the hell

37:54

it has to trying on all these different roles

37:57

and really trying to be believable and so that's

37:59

causing you to really

37:59

try to find that place inside of you have that's

38:02

kind of like that characters it started to

38:04

develop for me sort of like

38:06

a are a manager bolts form

38:08

of schizophrenia right like a a monetize

38:10

above version of schizophrenia but

38:13

it it it it sort of confused

38:15

my path to identity

38:18

and who identity really was when i wake up in the

38:20

morning or go to bed at night did you

38:22

ever deal with any of that disturbs starting

38:24

as as as young as i did train yourself

38:27

to be somebody other than who

38:29

you are organically becoming

38:31

absolutely i mean he

38:33

knows limited i had that i

38:35

mean for example when i was doing dead

38:37

poet's society

38:39

the my character is extremely

38:41

shy right he's australian and

38:44

see you're accessing the part of

38:46

yourself that is really shy right

38:48

like well what am i like when i'm really

38:50

shy and you start

38:52

it's almost like hi

38:55

sounds really corny to say but you do you do this to disguise

38:57

sages if you just make yourself

38:59

smile for half an hour you actually are any good

39:01

mood and it does work it's content

39:04

a hard wire your brain will

39:06

you can hard wire your brain for

39:08

brain lot of different things for us and if

39:10

you do in a daily meditation daily

39:12

meditation a human being might hate themselves

39:14

and not feel like with their their

39:16

words are worth anything and you're

39:18

accessing that part of yourself

39:21

yes you know you're more than that but

39:23

you it's kinda like your wiring your

39:25

brain to highlight that

39:27

part of you and i really struggled

39:30

with that when that movie was over this

39:33

has been an ongoing seem of my life

39:35

of trying

39:37

i think actually spent a lotta time inviting

39:40

you how to get into character right you hear people say

39:42

that all done in see spend all this energy inviting

39:45

depression , madness it's

39:48

most confusing with the darker emotions

39:50

rights you might have been but then we

39:52

supposed to do them once you've invited them into

39:55

your psyche to play and i found

39:57

that if i found that extremely difficult

39:59

if you're

40:00

how are you have an aptitude for this

40:03

route n n is is actually an aptitude

40:05

for insanity era you know fervor

40:08

sir and and i think the big lesson

40:10

for young actors is

40:13

if you're gonna really think about character

40:15

you , to start

40:17

to think about your own character while it's

40:19

a you know it's so interesting sexist i'm i'm i'm

40:21

to i really am obsessed with the black phone i thought

40:23

it was such a great movie and

40:26

i'll watch it again like it's one of his movies are

40:28

once again and again a where you

40:30

you actually i didn't know anything about

40:33

it and as i'm watching the movie you're playing this crazy

40:36

kidnapping sounds of the lambs kind

40:38

of guy and kind didn't think you would

40:40

didn't i'd ending the character

40:42

the

40:42

the as dark as it is i when you actually

40:45

the hill

40:46

he'll children young like you kill

40:48

them and i was like

40:51

how in the world

40:53

do you find this purse like

40:56

how in the world did you find out

40:58

how to play that guys because it was scary

41:00

was shit

41:02

the reader wanted ocean okay maybe

41:04

maybe just as the wrong question guy a movie

41:06

i spoke to the rug good and ,

41:08

didn't drop your my can pack your shit shown start

41:10

running around around

41:14

do you live i want to come out and else

41:18

who is really scary

41:20

no you know i i don't

41:22

really know how to answer that question except

41:24

that i feel as

41:26

i get older that acting

41:29

at it's best is a kind of shamanistic

41:31

process and that myself pretentious or whatever

41:33

but it is use a dude like you from his sit around

41:35

the campfire you like get up

41:37

and you tell a story and you do a dance

41:39

and you eat it's and you're kind of inviting

41:42

these are these spirits to be part of the story

41:44

in some way is that yeah you

41:47

you you are a sharman that

41:49

is kind of part of the job and

41:52

learning to invite different emotions

41:54

invite and letting them flow letting and out

41:57

makes and good storyteller it

41:59

is

42:00

you have to know who you are

42:03

and i'm lucky what i did on that

42:05

job for example is

42:08

i just everyday get home from work i would just

42:11

go in a walk with my kids because did

42:13

the dad the dad seen in me

42:15

is way more powerful than the actor jean and

42:17

me if , know like like

42:19

it i know who i am in relationship

42:22

to them very well i'm their father

42:24

then that's all that matters and are

42:28

we eating are we learning to tell

42:30

the truth are we taking

42:32

care of one another all those really simple

42:34

but now things it's kind of like

42:36

a grounding wire for me

42:39

but i don't really know how to answer it you

42:41

know yang any a recursive you touched

42:43

on it that you know the your character dead poet's

42:46

society was the

42:48

very sort of shy and then you said earlier when you

42:50

are the only when you first started taking acting

42:53

for the cedar wood when you're a kid in princeton

42:56

that they were that you actually quite actually ham

42:58

and whatever in i've always thought of you i

43:00

don't know you again but i've always thought of using kind

43:03

of a shy guy and i wonder if it's because that impression

43:05

i just went around or to all all three

43:07

of you guys i was thinking like sean

43:10

the characters that , first

43:12

like sort of introduce you the world was your character

43:14

a will and grace who was very kind of crazy

43:16

and and of all over the place and

43:19

jason you were kind of a wise ass would

43:21

i knew you from it's it's your move

43:23

before we became friends when you did that and

43:25

you're like this wise ass ass that's

43:28

maybe how your introduce the world

43:30

is that thing and i did a lot of people know

43:32

me just from the first thing they do we for

43:34

was probably arrest them away by this insane

43:37

magician who is over the top an illusionist

43:40

else

43:44

that you get kind of

43:47

and everything with you get a cast not just

43:49

for work for life and

43:51

why we see that you know the thing

43:53

about being an actor that nobody tells he was it

43:55

robs you of the ability to make a first impression

43:57

anymore

43:59

so interest you meet people and they

44:02

, a first impression and for

44:04

some people i do because there

44:06

was a whole group of people when i was younger that hated

44:08

me because they hated the guy from reality price

44:10

you know they think for a jerk

44:13

don't use you think you're so cool

44:16

you know know and are

44:18

like what yeah i played

44:20

the character you guys when you relax like oh

44:22

yeah i didn't steal winona

44:24

from ben stiller like you don't have to be mad at me

44:26

at through that funny

44:29

but will farrell used to do that but we have

44:31

your if you go with will people will will like hey

44:34

hank and they attack them and you end up being security

44:36

for will because people are like what

44:38

kind of like and drinking now

44:41

right man i've got fucking

44:43

for kids

44:48

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46:22

they are eaten talk about your talk

46:24

about your relationship with with

46:26

with with fame and success

46:28

i put in quotes because you know

46:31

in , opinion he you've you've

46:33

hit the gold medal with success as

46:35

far as longevity goes like that to me

46:37

that's the that's the tough thing to do like

46:40

like know are you need nowadays is just a

46:42

sex tape to get your head above the titles

46:44

and and the get a landmark as so

46:46

that you know to get or fame and money it's

46:49

it's sex thought so he

46:51

said anything or yeah just

46:53

mean just themselves immediate mean just my sister

46:55

real could have so

46:57

are you strike me as somebody who

47:00

is

47:01

completely for

47:03

, with he with

47:05

what you do the level that you do

47:07

it it never seem to

47:09

be a person that has had a thirst

47:12

for fame fortune

47:15

recognition celebrity your

47:17

your is it seems that you've always been on a quest

47:19

to quest an actor that's

47:21

working and also an actor that's

47:23

respected and and not that that

47:25

is you know a you

47:27

our agenda but

47:29

it is just a great result of the choices

47:32

that you make is

47:34

that something that you give a lot of sought

47:36

to or is it just sort

47:38

of well i just kind of get the roles that i get

47:40

in the perception is what it is the is not

47:43

something of my making

47:45

it's not a is not a recipe that i've

47:47

i've got my eye on and not something that you're

47:49

you're pro active at

47:52

well

47:54

our life is how we spend

47:56

it inside at think

47:58

i could easily sale years the big deal but

48:00

no i i put a lot of thought the

48:02

i i'll give you an exit when you say

48:04

that as you can see the new elvis

48:07

movie

48:08

no you haven't seen oh yeah well

48:09

it's funny because this

48:12

is interesting to me because you

48:15

know how when parents you know makes biopics he

48:17

changes the ending you know like the of it

48:19

hits a quilt i'd like to do an elvis

48:21

movie that ends right

48:25

when the current you win win some studios

48:27

is exploding and

48:29

this is breaking the colonel sides them up

48:31

they leave son studios he signs the

48:33

biggest

48:34

contract in music history with rcs

48:37

and i would make a strong case to be made that

48:40

he died that day you know

48:42

that that that window

48:44

object of your life becomes about

48:47

succeeding versus what

48:49

you are succeeding about because

48:51

, his goal in life was to make beautiful

48:54

music there is no doubt

48:56

that he should have stayed with sam phillips he

48:58

he loves african american music

49:00

he loves with same thoughts is doing there is

49:03

always success came from singing black

49:05

music and he should have have

49:07

there and helped other musicians

49:10

and mean it's easy for i'm using him

49:12

as an example right i'm not lasting judgment on

49:14

the dead and i know what i'm saying is that i

49:17

think the path to longevity

49:20

like this what i said de maya is like she

49:22

wants to be an actor i'm like okay how do you feel

49:24

if you're sixty three and you're teaching

49:27

acting at a prep

49:29

, in seattle to suck on how

49:32

be amazing roka okay

49:34

to is that the second she says that

49:36

it's all going to go find right

49:38

it is all gonna go fine and

49:41

you have stepped out my point about the elves

49:43

thing is if his goal was making music

49:47

he made the wrong decision it doesn't

49:49

matter what the price tag from our see i was

49:52

you know he would have been the biggest thing

49:54

and rock and roll wherever he was he didn't

49:56

understand that he had the ball he

49:59

had the talent they have thought that detailed

50:01

they were gonna change music music

50:03

was gonna change rights that

50:05

was gonna happen and he could

50:07

have easy to put the that

50:09

the cart before the horse you know and so

50:12

would i try to do with decision making

50:14

about parts and things like that as if you focus

50:17

is on how it develops you

50:19

is a person the how

50:21

it develops you are aren't how it develops your

50:23

life then , things that

50:25

i knew like for example as make it a joke

50:27

about want to say know about the newman woodward

50:30

documentary but i knew

50:32

that that would be good for me right i

50:34

mean it is due to people to dedicate their whole

50:36

lives to the same thing i've tried to dedicate minds

50:38

you stated it a much higher level for

50:40

a lot longer and here i am

50:42

i was turning fifty when i got that phone call

50:45

and it felt like well the universe has given me a little

50:47

challenge like hey reddit can

50:50

you do this and i knew it

50:52

and i didn't wanna do it like i have no

50:54

desire to be like a documentary

50:57

and that's not my goal in life but the universe

50:59

is i'm not in charge everything is dictating

51:01

a to me it's i knew that meditating

51:04

on these two people for as long as

51:06

it took would probably do good things to

51:08

my life and it definitely did so if

51:10

i'm hearing you write it sounds like you've got a very

51:12

clear idea about what

51:15

what the road looks like that fulfills

51:17

your

51:18

sorry for the term your your soul creatively

51:21

spiritually and you're letting

51:23

yeah just fucking say so i apologize

51:25

car and that's informing your your

51:27

decisions and

51:30

that it would also seem

51:32

like a you would probably

51:35

and have probably lived

51:37

your life and such and way where you're not creating

51:39

things creating your life that are that odds

51:41

with your ability to follow that instinct

51:43

in other words you don't have some a choking

51:46

overhead and number and in your

51:48

life like oh my god i you know we might

51:50

my six houses and my you

51:53

know my seventeen cars man

51:55

by the way it i don't don't fall for jason

51:57

those trying to get devotees overhead know

52:01

that you know that that that dictates that

52:03

you have to take that soul

52:06

crushing starring role

52:08

in something that just gives you a big paycheck

52:10

and then consequently probably leads

52:12

to career suicide since you haven't set yourself

52:14

up for any of those trappings even though i'm sure

52:16

you live a very comfortable life if

52:18

you're you're letting your letting your your

52:21

your

52:22

other stuff dictate your career choices

52:24

yes

52:25

yes in and now we're back to the like nature

52:27

nurture you know as you say that like my

52:29

mom is a fancy materialist

52:31

like she's she's suspect of

52:34

anyone who spends too much money an

52:36

automobile or jewelry or

52:38

anything any exterior show

52:41

of accumulation of wealth or status

52:43

right she's , she's allergic

52:45

to it and suspicious of it immediately that's

52:47

the house i was growing up in so

52:49

if i had met the colonel you know if

52:51

i was elvis's i got us some idiot

52:54

idiot a sister right yeah you

52:56

notes in an elvis didn't

52:58

have that inside and why i'm talking about elvis so much

53:01

but but my point is yes i

53:03

think that

53:04

we all want to be of them

53:06

the have a decent roof and pay for our kids

53:08

else you know we all have our want that but

53:11

if you're not comfortable with like a middle

53:13

class aesthetic and you really want

53:15

eighty million pairs of shoes the stuff you're gonna

53:17

get in trouble if you're not a gym sean

53:20

yes yes yes shot or

53:22

, borough hang on i do and i do

53:24

want to say so heated up the into so glad

53:26

you brought that up because it you

53:28

know if you look at the movies that you've made

53:31

you made over the last thirty

53:33

years of a lot of different films

53:35

a in in a lot of different genres

53:37

hunt a commercial know as well as he are tons

53:39

of commercial yeah it's has a commercial but also

53:41

like you know you made

53:44

first why want to talk about gallagher i love

53:46

i think really under appreciated

53:48

film that is that great

53:50

and i've seen it probably three or four times

53:53

are either are either love them and what was

53:55

what do you that puts i i've always wanted

53:57

to talk about that movie andrew

53:59

cool wrote that was when the best scripts ever read a minute

54:02

to it

54:03

if we're we're honey boo integrate aren't like satisfy

54:06

really opened up my life to like when i read

54:08

kurt vonnegut as a kid tokens

54:11

philip k dick you know these things

54:14

make your brain challenge society

54:16

in with society through that us

54:19

truce and , a cat

54:21

cat just a staggering script

54:25

and i'm so happy that you said you

54:27

would that movie came out it movie came a failure

54:29

but over the last twenty years it's found

54:31

his audience and i've always thought

54:33

andrew luck was one of the just want the best writers

54:35

have ever come across so so good yeah no i

54:38

said the theater and i've seen it's as good in and

54:40

all sorts of when he when you are

54:42

because you're so m a in your so immersed

54:44

in in in everything that you love to

54:46

do the theater and film writing

54:49

what do you do to escape

54:51

it if you ever need to i know you like music guys

54:53

your big music guy as sports

54:55

you follow sport would you like

54:57

i think one of the secret blessings

55:00

i'm out i'm just a huge fan you

55:02

know i mean i love music i love movies reason

55:04

i've been able to work in , many different

55:07

genres movies i think as i say really like

55:09

them all to eat i'm in a

55:11

people can always tell us your arm are

55:14

you know your cash and and they they smell

55:16

they smell it when you don't like what you're doing

55:18

and so am music

55:21

is my secret great passion listening to

55:23

records over and over again finding

55:25

new music i'm not i have no aptitude

55:27

for that art i can that included it so it

55:30

can just geek out and be and fan in

55:32

love with they do playing

55:35

yeah play the guitar badly both

55:37

my both my oldest to my

55:40

own leave are both actually

55:42

musicians and they've lapped me

55:44

so much this now embarrassing to play the guitar

55:46

my house as they play so well

55:48

but no i love

55:50

what would you pay top dollar for a ticket to go

55:52

see a concert wow

55:54

besides elvis well

55:56

if i could get elvis back from the dead and be really

55:58

guess so

56:00

many people you know she's an odd says he wants

56:03

to get elvis back from the dead to give him advice

56:05

on a saturday on how to deal

56:07

with the kernel of know i'm

56:10

hamilton lighthouse heard his from the use

56:12

lead singer the walkman and he did the score

56:14

for the last movie stars the doc adjusted

56:16

and he's is brilliant i highly recommend

56:18

people by his music is underrated

56:21

in an incredible brilliant

56:23

, into those those

56:25

feel like we're very a lot of similar in

56:28

the eases i get a lot more successful

56:30

slash curious slasher

56:32

like artistically inclined

56:35

and and against handsome me

56:37

handsome isn't

56:39

got all this i know it's amazing so is like

56:42

a way more internet any complaint and

56:44

a younger than i am i didn't intend to interesting

56:46

intend with us

56:48

know i'm just saying they would does matter to them and we're not going

56:50

to get of the so and

56:52

so but of the you do here's

56:54

everything want to talk about see do things like gallagher

56:57

and i do want to belabor this too much

56:59

but a a lover and then you make

57:01

these linkletter these movies with richard linklater

57:03

you guys have this amazing seemingly amazing

57:06

relationship with him

57:08

and with julie delpy ed how

57:10

many those films did you guys my age would you

57:12

also rover also three year which

57:15

was which was i mean

57:18

that , about a complete

57:20

shift from working with engineer

57:22

on doing gotta go to doing these movies

57:25

and then you do training day with denzel

57:27

and antwan fuqua i mean this i mean

57:29

are you know you you're getting whiplash

57:32

boy with the different genres here but

57:35

seemingly also of the you're really into

57:37

and can do with

57:39

we need

57:42

i

57:45

wouldn't with it's it's really not easy

57:47

but a a i don't know

57:49

how to answer add it to speak to that

57:52

that writing thing is that the writings

57:54

itami the writing thing is hard to don't tell

57:56

me the running thing is easy or the isn't that

57:58

like just staring at a wall trying to a blank

58:00

page and you just you're overwhelmed

58:02

with all the options available to you and

58:05

how to reduce that down and right at

58:07

the level they that you're writing

58:09

i think it's really important for

58:11

young actors to right because it gets some

58:15

even that whole thing we say about character in about

58:17

who you are and if you're constantly

58:19

interpreting other people's words it's

58:21

extremely valuable than know what your words

58:23

are doesn't need to be for publication

58:25

it doesn't need to be but just

58:27

says the ability to hear your own voice

58:30

and voice think will

58:32

the answer with you were same my

58:35

mom had some quote

58:37

above the toilet when i was growing up which is if you

58:39

have proven one talent god will give you more

58:42

and the the the one was to set

58:44

to master one craft

58:46

you have to apprentice three i have

58:49

one over the toilets as please be neat my pussy

58:53

but , the point i'm trying to make is it for

58:56

me me these things betty

58:58

each other like if you're sitting in

59:00

a monte carlo for four months a denzel washington

59:02

working with him at very high level you don't

59:04

and see that right and

59:07

you bring that with you on your next job

59:09

so when linkletter wants

59:11

me to do this twelve your projects

59:13

were going to make a short film about growing up and i'm going to

59:15

be acting with this young kid over twelve

59:17

over i can bring what i've

59:20

learned from the time on

59:22

set with then sell he creates

59:24

he doesn't wait for people to create a creative

59:27

atmosphere for him to work he makes it app

59:29

read it and app

59:32

in once you see that that's possible

59:35

it opens up doors you know getting to

59:37

be in a rehearsal room with tom stoppard and

59:39

getting to see

59:41

how she obsesses on

59:43

every consonants and vowel

59:46

in the way the whole thing works like a poem

59:48

in seeing writing at that level

59:50

sam shepherd getting

59:53

to be around these people

59:56

if you're if you're paying

59:58

attention you it with you and the

1:00:00

next shop miyamoto and and

1:00:03

i was really grateful you know rick invited julian

1:00:05

i to write those movies with him and

1:00:08

you know you guys saudis the confused right amygdala

1:00:10

this it was so excited to be

1:00:12

working with somebody of our generation who

1:00:15

was in imitating other people he

1:00:17

he was asking this question like what is our

1:00:19

generation

1:00:20

you're what what what what are we contributing

1:00:23

how can we push the form forward it's

1:00:25

, yeah you're a student of what happened before

1:00:28

to understand how they moved their time

1:00:30

period but not to imitate them

1:00:32

but to be present in your own generation food

1:00:34

i fuckin love that so much i'm

1:00:36

such a big proponent of the scenario there's nothing

1:00:39

for me i was sorry but in comedy

1:00:41

but i i hated within does that feels to derivative

1:00:44

ai real real

1:00:47

against often to these guys about other people

1:00:49

who i feel like you're kind you're not

1:00:51

just an amoeba means stealing someone's bit

1:00:53

i mean just kind of doing their thing dealing

1:00:55

their attitude yeah zealand your attitude it bums

1:00:57

me out on such profound level as

1:00:59

and i often have to be talked of led

1:01:02

by of guys causes me

1:01:04

physical pain when they make money at

1:01:06

it as the i know a seer med

1:01:08

same here speaking fucking

1:01:10

crazy ominously my fucking if if if

1:01:13

you were things i'm so proud of my about as

1:01:16

as robin on strange thing says it's a it's

1:01:18

proof says this idea that you

1:01:20

don't have to try to be original

1:01:23

if you are yourself you will

1:01:25

be original that i imitating everybody

1:01:27

else is have some brought herself and what

1:01:29

she has to offer did his character of a sudden

1:01:31

i have seen that character and silva force

1:01:34

it's a unique person and

1:01:36

that's and when it's a see a comedian

1:01:38

a musician anybody

1:01:40

bring themselves you know then

1:01:43

they are resigning yoga and

1:01:45

it's inspired so excited comments

1:01:47

i tell you what eaten thank you so much for years you

1:01:49

we are magnificent was your time think please

1:01:51

keep saying original keeps day i strongly

1:01:54

as yeah i've watched you do what you do

1:01:56

man had such an honor odds got buried

1:01:58

or very inspiring really inspired i'm so

1:02:00

glad to finally speak to you and meet

1:02:02

ya i can't believe we are pass haven't

1:02:05

haven't crossed more significantly till

1:02:07

the know i'm a big fan of you guys in your

1:02:09

i did the show that if it i love the

1:02:11

fact that you guys are either

1:02:13

whoop the think about the new surprise

1:02:15

guest as you get don't have prepared questions

1:02:17

yahoo yahoo an interview and you can sense

1:02:20

exactly what the interviewer once

1:02:22

you to say i urge remember nineteen ninety

1:02:24

eight you told rolling stone magazine

1:02:26

or yeah i remember remember say that again

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or as a threat paris yeah those

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were just were just three dummies trapped in an elevator

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with your guardian guy gets trapped for an hour

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and , also i think all of us understood

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when you said you know it's about the friendships

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and we're lucky that we get to do this because we're

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old friends and i love these guys are we get to

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spend lot of time together and sat on a lovely

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man in their their and thanks

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for doing now greater you think rob

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me of reading that supplies that female

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your time have female your rest the day i guess

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say can i see

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so ah i see

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my be top on the list of i

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want to be friends with him and

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that way i am a minute one of friends

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a lot of people that we meet on the show but he might be tip

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top it seems so damn great

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yeah yeah so cool a in

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always got this new dot

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, series as he talked about the

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was the last movie stars on any spielberg

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mls who serves as b o max mean he's

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just like of course of course

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they came to him with for so paul

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newman during wars kids came to him he can he

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just like you said he is cool you want to hang

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out with them and he's the kind of guy you'd want telling

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you wanna see that documentary just because there's a photo

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of me and i can

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he didn't really react to that do know that

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average ross i don't think he's and seen it

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no it don't think the think see ketamine gonna

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nodded and i think that be when be when

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really i think he signed up for his positive who

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you are no i by the way i

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don't disagree with you the helm and

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glasses

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but seriously his his brain

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his is

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soul spear whatever you want to call

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it seems just as over the second

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time today you brought up soul soul yeah

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happening to you run to try to get

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myself to a place where i

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can say his art

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and everything just seems

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that old by on

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