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a little down and are noticing euro your

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legs you are in some shorts to their

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while why way fruits well let me just

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say forty degrees outside you so much widely

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wish it were element of you not been

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outside the house to do drop off at

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all you they thanks again I just want

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to save for me I'd hard to

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take some was credit obviously the man upstairs

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sculpted these babies but when you live in

0:27

a duplex. And. Ever

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going to Starling? Marte.

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ass. The. Net look good,

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can't hear is yet. They have will

1:01

audio Johnny joining on a joint. Willie

1:03

I think that looks fucking bad ass

1:05

to you. Yeah yeah, go any that

1:07

rate. We. Are rolling! Surprise guest give

1:09

us a little clap for you. don't mind. Are

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test for this new thing I'm doing

1:19

and am I do it? I'm I

1:21

do. I might keep. I think that's

1:23

that's the winner right there. May he

1:25

says it's all about on structure. How

1:27

do you get fuck and bone structure

1:30

with a haircut? Younger. Know man

1:32

I guess is just a I would

1:34

i illiterate before. Genetic.

1:36

Genetics genetic. sorry I was

1:38

really good. For.

1:41

Grail again. I love seeing you J

1:43

B in the fall in the full

1:45

vast and the in the in. the

1:47

down Vs is monotonous slopestyle. Know I

1:49

just this is just a carpool drop

1:51

off or whatever you call it school

1:53

drop off or these these kids what

1:55

are my kids' names? Was

1:58

a young one? How many young ones? That's

2:00

maple. That's maple. That's your drop

2:02

off. Freshback from drop off. Yeah.

2:05

This is post drop off pre

2:08

shower, pre G four handsome

2:10

golf outfit. Oh,

2:12

so you do have golf. So you're going

2:15

to take a shower before I will be

2:17

taking a shower. Yes. Getting it all nice

2:19

and powder dry clean. You know, our buddy

2:21

skip Bronson, get Bronson's on

2:24

yesterday swinging it over there. He

2:26

claimed that we're the visor twins because

2:29

you and I, uh, I do like a visor. Yeah.

2:31

I like a visor because I feel like

2:33

the big dumb head of crazy hair can't

2:35

fit into a cap nowadays. I like your

2:37

new look. By the way, we were, we

2:39

were talking about Jay, your new look is

2:41

sort of rugged, right? They were both trying

2:43

on some new looks for, for parts coming

2:46

up. I'm supposed to be looking like a

2:48

X drummer drug addict, a loser. And I'm

2:50

really kind of nailing it with this stupid

2:52

long hair and face. I'm playing a hooligan,

2:54

like a soccer hooligan. Yeah. Yeah. What do

2:56

I look like? I'm playing now. Be nice.

2:58

Well, like a 53 year old, uh, Illinois,

3:00

uh, house husband. Yeah. It's a, it's

3:07

a family after school special about a 50

3:10

year old. It's going back to elementary school

3:12

because he gets her to get fifth grade,

3:14

right. And body swaps. There's going to be

3:16

a body swap, right? I love a body

3:18

swap. JB's got a lunch pail. Yeah. I

3:21

did a body swap movie. Me and Ryan

3:23

Reynolds, pissed into a magic fountain. And, uh,

3:25

you know what happens and then you decided

3:27

to do a movie together. What happened? Oh,

3:29

he all will. This guy, he's really on

3:31

me today. He's getting me. Huh? Shauna, you get

3:34

it. You got some texts coming through. Sean, you

3:36

want to just take care of the photo of

3:38

my shaved head. What are you? I can't find it.

3:41

Are you advertising for Brentwood country? Mark? What is that?

3:43

What are you just saying? This is where I like

3:45

to eat most. Hey,

3:49

welcome back to hashtag relatable. Um,

3:51

this week we're going over markets.

3:53

Anybody can go to the Brentwood

3:55

country. Mark. It's fantastic. Is that

3:58

their tagline? It's fantastic. They didn't

4:00

put a lot of thought into that. It's

4:02

terrific. It's dynamite. It is very good. All

4:04

right, well, I do want to You got

4:06

today. I want to speak about dynamite because

4:08

this our guest today is no

4:10

dynamite Well, nothing short

4:12

of dynamite. Let me just say that much and I'll

4:14

tell you why it is explosive We do know it's

4:17

a she I heard a giggle and I heard you

4:19

have jewelry on the clap. Oh you did. Yeah I

4:21

heard a gig. Yep, you heard a gig

4:23

too. Now, where's everybody hearing all these

4:25

gigs? Well, we've got

4:27

actual headphones on you got to

4:30

nazzy earbuds. I don't

4:32

know man I just I don't know how I missed

4:34

the gig. Anyway, I This

4:37

is something Yeah,

4:40

take your time. Well, I was just gonna say so we get a

4:42

lot of I

4:48

tell you why she's ready because

4:51

this is somebody who's got you know, we've

4:53

had we've had award-winning Actors

4:55

and actresses and performers and director But

4:57

imagine being nominated for four Academy Awards and

4:59

winning one imagine it imagine being nominated

5:01

for two BAFTAs and winning one Imagine

5:03

being nominated for Emmy

5:06

for Golden Globes five sag

5:09

awards. Yeah. Are you starting

5:11

to get what I'm throwing down you guys? Get

5:14

that because this person has

5:16

done some of the greatest Biggest

5:19

films of all time some of the most cool

5:22

independent films thought-provoking films.

5:24

She's done it all She

5:27

is somebody that I have admired for a long time

5:29

me and the rest of the world I don't know

5:31

how else to say other than to say guys It's

5:34

Penelope Cruz Can

5:38

you believe it I mean Look

5:43

at her go Hey We're

5:47

an amazing presentation. I don't think I

5:49

deserve that but thank you. Yeah. Oh

5:52

my god. Absolutely true Hello, all of

5:54

it's true. Nice to meet you

5:56

morning. Yeah, really nice Thank

5:59

you for Where do we where do we

6:01

we're not in your bedroom. We're in a hotel room. Are

6:03

we not? Where are we this

6:05

is actually not my bedroom that is a

6:07

room where they brought me to do the interview Where

6:10

are you you're doing you doing some press? We

6:13

are in a hotel for for a couple of days

6:15

here in LA Yeah, I'm

6:17

going back home soon She's doing she

6:20

Penelope and and correct me if I'm wrong

6:22

You're here doing press for Ferrari your new

6:24

film that you've done with Michael Mann. Is

6:26

that true? Yes, which is Fantastic

6:29

and we had the pleasure of meeting one

6:31

of your co-stars Adam Driver and we're very

6:33

excited for Ferrari Yeah, I'm gonna wait. Yeah,

6:35

but I'm really excited to talk to you

6:38

Penelope about just what it

6:40

incredibly diverse career that you've

6:43

had that you've carved out

6:46

And I kind of want to touch

6:48

on something. I'm so excited. You're here by the

6:50

way I want to talk about this is wild

6:52

There's a story that I picked up on I

6:54

saw an interview you did with Terry Gross on

6:56

fresh air And it really

6:58

piqued my interest and I guys I don't know if you know this

7:00

and I'd love for you to speak to this You

7:02

talk about you were a

7:05

big fan of Pedro Almodovar

7:07

right fantastic fan the great

7:09

Spanish filmmaker and

7:11

you would tell your friends you were

7:13

putting yourself in a position to see

7:15

him You're not necessarily waiting outside his

7:18

house, but you would go to restaurants also I did but

7:20

all you did wait outside his house. That's something I would

7:23

Yeah a couple of times and then would go

7:25

to bars and restaurants and wait and your friends

7:27

thought you were insane and you said Believe me.

7:29

I have this connection and it will happen. Can

7:31

you talk to us a little bit about that?

7:35

I know for a lot of people it

7:37

can sound weird and also it sounded Crazy

7:39

to him when I told him for the

7:41

first few years he didn't believe me and

7:43

then a lot of things like that started

7:45

to happen between him and I and And

7:49

I think by now like 30 years later, he

7:51

believes me We have

7:53

a very special connection and I was huge

7:56

fan of his work, you know I didn't have

7:58

a theater a cinema near where we live because

8:01

we lived outside Madrid and

8:03

I developed love

8:06

for movies and different actresses

8:08

and directors through the

8:11

Betamax machine that my father and

8:13

my mother bought when I was

8:15

like a kid. We remember how

8:18

heavy and big the Betamax was. So I

8:21

asked them to give me a copy of

8:23

the cards for the

8:25

video store and I was there every afternoon

8:28

after school and after my homework and my

8:30

dance classes. What I wanted to do is

8:32

be alone and watch a movie. If I

8:34

liked a movie I would watch it 20

8:36

times in a row like really study that film

8:39

and that's how I discovered Pedro

8:41

and Spielberg and Scorsese and

8:44

Billy Wilder. So what were some of

8:46

those movies that you would watch 20 times that you

8:48

loved, loved, loved as a kid? I

8:50

mean I always knew I

8:53

wanted to act but I had no, apart

8:55

from the couple of hours that I spent

8:57

doing classical ballet that was like very hardcore

8:59

but at the same time it was a

9:02

way of acting and a

9:04

way to release that need that I

9:06

had of visiting

9:08

and investigating different

9:10

ways of being and different

9:13

realities. I

9:15

think I would have been very damaged if I didn't

9:17

have that. But then I discovered

9:19

that that was like a window to the

9:21

world. I could dream about what

9:26

that life would be like or this or that

9:28

and put yourself in somebody else's shoes and I

9:30

felt like this is what I want to do

9:32

in my life. I don't know how. I

9:35

didn't know anybody related to the business,

9:38

anybody that could make

9:40

a living out of something related to

9:43

art. When I said that

9:45

to my parents it was like saying I want

9:47

to be an astronaut. It was very

9:50

surreal for them. I just appreciate

9:52

that they didn't invalidate me, they didn't

9:54

laugh, they said you can try

9:56

if that's what you want. We'll play

9:58

your dance classes. and then use

10:01

theater classes, but have a

10:03

plan B because probably this won't work. So

10:06

through that Betamax machine, I started

10:08

planning. But I mean, imagine that, I mean, you

10:11

say that, right. It's like saying to your parents,

10:13

I want to go live on the moon. You

10:15

grew up in a small town outside of Madrid.

10:17

You don't even have a theater. And

10:19

all your connection to films

10:21

is through renting Betamax tips.

10:24

Yeah. And then you, but you have

10:26

this dream and lots of people have

10:28

dreams that they, I want to do this, I want to do

10:31

that. But the follow through

10:33

is so precise to the point that you're like,

10:36

you identify, well, Sean had asked like, what

10:38

were the films that really inspired you? And

10:40

I do want to get to that, but

10:42

you identify specifically as you get older, that

10:44

you know that you want to connect to

10:46

Pedro. Yes. And that you're like, the

10:49

follow through, and like you said, for some people

10:51

it might seem weird, but you knew that there

10:53

was something there. You

10:55

thought you were pretty confident that like, once he

10:58

meets me, I know we're going to have

11:00

a connection. He seems like the kind of guy I would

11:02

get along with. And

11:04

you just, Cor, did you just put yourself in front

11:06

of him? Yeah, not

11:08

because I thought I was good, just because

11:10

I thought that he saw the world in

11:12

a very similar way to the

11:15

way that I saw it since I was a little girl.

11:18

And actually I got into

11:20

one of the sets without permission when I

11:22

was 14 and he was doing, no,

11:26

when I was like 15, 16, he was doing high heels

11:31

and he was shooting with Victoria Vreel, one

11:33

of my favorite actresses. And I just walked

11:35

in, nobody stopped me. I sat very close

11:37

to the monitor, nobody said anything. And

11:40

he looked at me and I said, oh my God, he's

11:43

going to say something. He just looked at me for

11:45

a few seconds, like, do I know you? We

11:48

know each other. That was enough for me for

11:51

that day. To be able to spy, be

11:53

there for a couple of hours. But then

11:55

when, because he was, He

12:00

was the one, like you said before, such a

12:02

specific dream. He was the one that I wanted

12:04

to meet, to thank, and to

12:06

be able to maybe one day work

12:08

with him. So when I did my

12:10

first two movies, I

12:12

got that phone call. My two first movies were

12:14

very different from each other, Belepoc and Hamon Hamon,

12:17

and I was very lucky to have that presentation

12:19

card because the characters were

12:21

like day and night, and

12:23

that was important to start that way.

12:26

And somebody said to me, Almodovar is on the

12:28

phone, and I was drawing my

12:31

hair, preparing for classes, and

12:33

I said, yeah, right. Almodovar is

12:35

on the phone. And it

12:37

took me like five minutes to

12:39

react because I thought, how can,

12:42

is it for real, that dreams

12:44

so specific become a reality? And

12:46

he was there, and his voice

12:48

was like, oh, this old friend

12:50

that I haven't seen for a long time,

12:52

and the connection was instant. I lied to

12:54

him about my age. We

12:56

did the casting for the movie. It was

12:59

not appropriate for my age, the movie. So

13:01

the casting was just a conversation about like,

13:03

really, how old are you? I know you

13:05

are lying to me. So I said,

13:07

yeah, actually, yes. I'm

13:10

like, at that point, I think 18, he

13:13

said this character has to be at least 25 or 30, but

13:16

I will write a character for you in my next game,

13:19

and he did. Wow,

13:21

imagine getting that call. Sean, it would be like

13:23

you if you're like, Sean, Craftback running cheese is

13:25

on the phone. And you'd be like, no way.

13:27

Dreams come true. Craftback running cheese is not on

13:29

the phone. Like if you haven't spent a big

13:31

train, he kind of feels good. Penelope. So

13:36

Penelope, what about when you filled

13:38

him in on the story about

13:40

that you've been following him around?

13:42

Was he charmed by that? Did he laugh? Did you

13:45

remember you being at the monitor when you were 15?

13:48

No, not that. But then I told him, look,

13:50

one time at the cinema, I told my friends

13:53

that I was gonna find you that day, and

13:55

it was just a random cinema by

13:57

the time that I was able to go to the cinema

13:59

alone. And

14:01

my friend couldn't believe it because by the end of the

14:03

movie we came out and he was there in the street.

14:06

And a lot of things like that at the

14:08

beginning, he was looking at me like, yeah, right.

14:11

Okay, you are very young and you are

14:13

believing all this. But now he does. You

14:15

can ask him and now he does like

14:17

these things happen between him and

14:19

I. That's cool. So how many

14:21

films have you done with him now? Seven. And

14:25

I hope many more. I just talked to him this morning. Wow,

14:27

that's amazing. He's one of the greatest. He's

14:29

one of the loves of my life. He's

14:31

much more than a director I work

14:33

with. He's family. Yeah, sure, of

14:36

course. He's hilarious and you have

14:38

to invite him here because he will make you

14:40

laugh so much. It would

14:42

be like a dream come true. He's one of the

14:44

great directors and he's one of the great imaginations, one

14:46

of the great storytellers. And the guys know I don't

14:48

use that term lightly. But

14:51

before you worked with him, you had done

14:53

two films, right? Before you worked with Pedro.

14:56

What was it like at that point?

14:59

What were the opportunities like in Spain

15:01

for you at that point in

15:04

the Spanish film industry?

15:07

Was there a lot going on? Was it robust? Was it

15:09

difficult? It was like a

15:12

miracle that I found my agent.

15:14

When I found my agent, he's now 83 and we've been

15:16

together since I was 14, 15. The

15:22

first time I went to see her, she sent me home.

15:24

She said, what are you doing here? You're too young. Please

15:26

go away. I came back

15:28

the week after. She said the same thing to me.

15:30

I came back the week after. And

15:33

then I asked her to let me do

15:35

an improv where I could just play somebody

15:37

that was very angry. And

15:40

in my improv, I was actually an actress

15:42

that was talking about her dreams. I was

15:44

asking for an opportunity, even if I was

15:46

young. And then I

15:49

was the only person that she picked that year

15:51

to be represented out of 300 people.

15:55

And we are still together. And I love her

15:57

so much. She started to send me

15:59

to Carcass. And to my surprise, I got

16:03

a yes as an answer. I

16:05

could not believe it. I mean, it was a

16:07

big surprise. Penelope, all the

16:10

dreams that you had about, I hope

16:12

it happens. I want to meet Pedro. I

16:15

want my career to take off. I want all

16:18

the dreams you had, all the aspirations that you had,

16:20

you now, I would assume, have them

16:22

even bigger than you even dreamed

16:24

back then. Is it

16:26

what you thought it would be? Do you

16:29

tell, what's your favorite

16:31

part about what has become

16:34

and what part of it did

16:36

you not anticipate coming and you

16:38

could kind of do without? That

16:41

part is, I didn't think it would be bad like

16:45

that. What's

16:47

your favorite part? What's your least favorite part?

16:50

My favorite part about this profession

16:52

and the one that gives me

16:54

a real happiness that

16:57

can last and that is

16:59

based on hard

17:01

work and the values that

17:03

I think my parents taught me is

17:07

the part that you are new each

17:09

time you are starting from zero. You

17:11

never get to a place where you feel you

17:14

have things under control. You

17:16

are like a constant student. You're

17:19

never going to do the same

17:21

roles twice or maybe you will, but that's

17:23

a different story. But you

17:25

are going to be challenged each time

17:27

and have fear each time. And

17:31

I feel like we could have this conversation when I'm 90

17:33

and I would still feel the same way. And

17:36

I feel that's good for me. It's good

17:38

for my mental health. It keeps me sane.

17:40

It keeps me humble because it's about the

17:43

learning process. It's about how we really are

17:45

just one more piece of the puzzle when

17:47

we are on the set. We

17:49

cannot do this work alone. And

17:52

this is amazing about my

17:54

profession and I realize it's what

17:57

attracted me to it from day

17:59

one. The thing that I was

18:01

surprised is that there was the element of attraction

18:03

to fame. When I was a teenager, I felt

18:06

like, wow, like really? Me?

18:10

They are saying this or that? But

18:12

still, you get kind of a dopamine

18:14

high from it, especially if you are

18:16

very young. But that doesn't last. That

18:18

goes away. And if you are evolving

18:23

in a good way and you have a family around

18:25

you that is going to be

18:27

telling you the truth and cutting off the

18:29

bullshit, and on top of that, you become

18:31

a mother when, of course,

18:34

you will never see yourself as the first of

18:36

the line ever again. The

18:38

priorities will change

18:40

immediately for the rest of your life. You are not

18:43

the number one on the call sheet at home. Never,

18:46

but for the rest of my life, I will

18:48

never be and I don't want to. And that's

18:50

like the biggest amount of happiness in my life

18:52

comes from that. And

18:55

I realized that because I started so young,

18:57

then when I was like 20 something,

19:00

I had already gone through

19:02

a lot of emotions

19:04

related to that, to, oh, what is it to

19:06

get that attention? And one thing is to get

19:08

a feeling of

19:11

satisfaction if you're getting a good review

19:13

or recognition from your peers because you've

19:15

worked on something and you were so

19:17

scared about it and you have connected.

19:19

And that is a real thing. But

19:22

the other thing that I was like flipping

19:24

out about when I was, I don't know,

19:26

17, 18, 19,

19:29

it doesn't last long. And those years I

19:31

was surprised. So how come I don't feel the same

19:33

thing as I felt three years ago? That

19:36

doesn't last forever. No, it lasts very little.

19:40

Like a friend of mine, a psychiatrist friend

19:42

of mine was saying it's actually one, being

19:48

very exposed to fame at a very young age

19:50

is one of the things that can put you

19:52

on higher risk

19:54

for depression. And it

19:56

makes total sense because at the end of the day

19:59

is like. when you are super

20:01

addicted to a video game or gambling,

20:03

or it's like this high that will

20:05

have a dramatic drop, and

20:08

it's just dopamine, and it is like

20:10

that. Yeah. And

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24:12

back to the show I Think

24:15

you put it in the right place when I

24:17

remember telling my kids I have three boys and

24:20

his stepson's of four boys in the house It's

24:22

crazy and I remember saying when my older boys

24:24

were Younger sort of six seven

24:26

and people want to take photos or whatever

24:28

and you're out I remember explaining that to

24:30

them and it was through explaining to them

24:33

the idea of these people don't know me

24:36

They think they do they want my picture because

24:38

they think something else and when I said it

24:40

out loud and put it in The right place

24:42

it changed everything for me once I actually said

24:45

it out loud and it and it

24:47

put it in a place That was much more acceptable

24:49

and it didn't it stopped

24:51

affecting You know, I've said

24:53

this many times as long as you don't Peg

24:56

your happiness to how other people think

24:58

about you then you'll be okay And

25:01

you can kind of keep that right size, you know

25:03

what I mean? Yeah, keep it in the right place

25:05

And I was also thinking about something else you said

25:07

Penelope, which is interesting And I don't know I'm gonna

25:09

open this up to everybody really You're

25:11

talking about staying a student and

25:14

I've been thinking so much more in the last couple of years now

25:16

that I'm 53 I

25:18

mean I could play 48 but yeah Thank

25:21

you Maybe thank

25:23

you. I really appreciate it But but one of

25:25

the things I've been thinking about is this idea

25:28

of staying I was saying to somebody I

25:31

want to stay in the student section of

25:33

life not just in my work I

25:35

I want to really feel I don't want to be an expert

25:37

and I you know, like all of us I can Talk

25:41

like an expert sometimes about stuff and be have a

25:43

lot of conviction It's so important

25:45

in this life to to stay

25:47

in the student section. I think don't you I agree

25:50

I agree and I feel like when you

25:52

have kids immediately you are putting that place

25:54

forever because it's such a lesson every day

25:56

And so much wisdom that comes from just

25:59

the that honesty that they

26:01

all the kids have. Yeah,

26:03

they don't care. It's a great, yeah,

26:05

sorry Shayan, it's a great reminder that

26:07

you know nothing until you learn it.

26:09

Like you get to watch them learn

26:12

things or get experience

26:15

with things for the very first time.

26:17

And we forget that moment for us.

26:19

For instance, somebody sent us a

26:22

gift yesterday and there was like

26:24

a cassette tape in it, one of those old audio

26:27

cassette tapes. And my

26:29

12 year old daughter said, what's this? And

26:31

I said, well, that's a cassette. She said

26:33

a cassette, what's a cassette? I said, no

26:35

way. Well, it's a, I mean,

26:38

how do you describe what a cassette is? I said, wait a

26:40

minute. Something happened to me last month and I was shocked.

26:43

She didn't know how to open up that cassette

26:45

box, that clear see through cassette box. And

26:48

you said, this is what daddy used to put in his shirako.

26:51

Exactly, I said, I used to have hundreds of these.

26:53

So what albums used to be on, she goes, really?

26:55

This is this, there's music on this? I said, yeah.

26:58

I said, open it up and put it in. It

27:00

took them five minutes. How did you have a, there was a

27:02

little, there was a little like a Walkman that came with the

27:04

gift. No way. And it took her five

27:06

minutes to open up. I finally had to take it from

27:08

her. I said, let me show you how to open, she

27:10

almost broke it. She didn't know how to open up the

27:13

clear. Anyway, so yeah, it's a great

27:15

reminder that you just don't realize what

27:17

you don't know. If

27:19

you don't keep up your radar, that you're

27:22

willing to learn. Also age helps, age helps

27:24

not giving a shit. Yeah,

27:26

right. The older you get, you're

27:28

just like, I'm too tired and old to care. Well,

27:31

you maybe start caring about things that

27:33

are actually important and not the other

27:36

things that are related about how you

27:38

are perceived. For sure. By people that

27:40

you don't know, which is different than,

27:44

of course, if you have a job

27:46

like the one that we have, at

27:49

the end of the day, you are doing that to try

27:52

to move energy in people, to try

27:54

to, we make movies for that

27:56

reason, not to change the world, but you want

27:58

to connect with people. I want

28:00

to know like I want to go back to ballet. I

28:02

had no idea you're a ballet dad like that's crazy Did

28:06

you find that how many years did you

28:08

take ballet like 17? Well

28:13

when I get the chance to

28:16

I might do a musical soon again

28:18

I like I don't know I went I

28:20

thank you I loved making that movie and

28:22

I went back to to dancing

28:24

for like six months or something like that

28:27

So I'm always looking for reasons to go

28:29

back. That's great. Wow. So you don't have

28:31

the wear

28:33

and tear on a person's body of

28:35

17 years of being

28:38

on your toes Yeah, like I

28:40

have any kind of like your toes still hurt.

28:42

Yeah No, but I mean I got

28:44

used to that, you know when you are bleeding

28:47

and your nose your nails are like You

28:50

lose them they get really dark and then they fall

28:52

off and you have to keep dancing and smiling and

28:54

the discipline that it gives You

28:56

it helped me a lot because I started to

28:58

work as an actress so young and I had

29:01

the discipline from that That was so much harder

29:03

than anything. I have done. I'm sure I You

29:06

know you you talked a little bit about We

29:09

started just to swing back to like what's important stuff

29:11

night so you both you

29:13

and your partner or Film

29:16

actors and actors at you know the highest

29:18

level and very much in demand

29:20

You've made lots of films and yet now

29:22

you've started a family and I presume

29:24

that you still live in Spain Yeah Or

29:27

that you move back like you you spent very many

29:29

years where you were doing like it seemed like you

29:32

did so many films and I listed

29:34

off all the awards and nominations and

29:37

Yet now do you find

29:39

yourself? Have

29:42

you put that in a different place now? Like now that

29:44

you move and you live in Europe and you don't live

29:46

here in Los Angeles And you've kind of

29:49

do you feel that you've be able to carve out

29:51

a kind of a different life Very

29:53

different very different where the

29:55

total priority the number one

29:57

priority is the family also

29:59

Most of my family, mom and sisters,

30:02

and most of them are there in

30:05

Spain. My brother and nephew are

30:07

here in LA and I

30:09

miss them so much. Life

30:12

always brings us here, maybe in the summer,

30:15

Christmas or both, and come here for work.

30:18

I lived here for 15 years in LA

30:20

and I loved it, but we

30:22

just wanted to be there raising

30:24

the children because family is

30:26

very important for us. What's

30:29

the atmosphere like there where

30:32

you live in Spain with respect

30:34

to Hollywood and the

30:37

media and fame and paparazzi and all

30:39

that kind of stuff? Can

30:42

you live a very sort of normal,

30:46

in quotes, life there as opposed to

30:48

here? Yes. When

30:50

I was here, there was a way to do

30:53

it also. I mean, it depends what kind of

30:55

place you go to, you know how it is.

30:59

And there I can do everything. I

31:02

can go to school, go

31:04

to the supermarket, go to a public gym, go

31:06

to everywhere, everywhere. And this

31:08

is where I want, I could not give

31:10

up having a normal life. Wait, you can

31:12

go to a public gym? Of course. And

31:16

even if they do recognize you, do

31:19

they treat celebrity with

31:21

such reverence there like they do here?

31:24

I think it's a little too big here. No,

31:26

I think it's not a surprise to see us there.

31:29

And also everything ends

31:32

up being close to the area where

31:34

I grew up. And

31:36

it feels like if you knew

31:38

all your neighbors, it feels very

31:40

easy going and people are very

31:42

nice. And it's Javier from the same area?

31:45

We was actually born in Canary Islands,

31:47

but he was raised more in the

31:49

city and I was raised more out

31:52

of Madrid. But also in LA,

31:54

I had no problems where I lived here. And

31:57

I feel like it's more like too thin

31:59

where he's from. you go to if you're gonna

32:01

go to a place looking for attention or

32:03

you go to a place so you can

32:05

leave your day. It's the vibe you put

32:07

out too right? And also what you wear

32:09

too like if you look all

32:11

great fabulous or if you look like you're

32:14

trying to hide with a hat and big

32:16

glasses people you stand out like

32:18

a sore throat. Yeah but if you just like if

32:20

there's no hiding whatsoever it's just a little sweatshirt or

32:22

something. Well we had a guest on one of our

32:24

guests who's a friend of the show I won't name

32:26

but he had years ago I'd gone to his house

32:28

one of the biggest film actors on the planet and

32:30

we went to his house and he said and I

32:32

was giving him a lift home and we get to

32:35

his gate that was barely like a gate and

32:37

then I said just punch in the code I

32:39

said what's the code for the 2468 I said

32:41

come on man no 2468 and then you can

32:44

walk around it if you want we get up to the house

32:46

and we walk in and the front doors open and I said

32:48

dude what are you doing you're crazy I mean this is guys

32:50

like that and it goes I don't live

32:52

like a prisoner right yeah and if I

32:55

put that vibe out in the world. Yeah

32:57

it's true it should probably take less

32:59

attention like that. By the way I'm like if someone

33:02

is gonna get me they're gonna get me if someone you know

33:04

why do you have that you have that sign that says Sean

33:06

Hayes lives here in front of the house. Yeah but I mean

33:08

you can see behind some hedges. Listen

33:12

Penelope before we go any further I want to ask you and

33:14

this is a tough question and you can feel free to not

33:16

answer it when he knows cut it out. Real

33:19

Madrid or Atlético Madrid? You

33:23

know what I know

33:25

that no no I mean I

33:27

do because that's another thing that changes when

33:29

you are a mother and suddenly you see they

33:31

like football but then you start loving football too.

33:33

I have

33:36

a family that is from a

33:38

Letico family from Barcelona from a

33:41

club family from Real Madrid and I

33:45

think that amazing things but

33:47

I am loving everything more Real

33:50

Madrid what can I say? Very

33:52

very good. I love I love

33:55

a huge football fan and I'm

33:57

obsessed and actually

33:59

like both those things. as well they

34:01

have great players. We're recording this right

34:03

around the holiday season and are you

34:06

a big holiday fan?

34:08

Do you love Christmas

34:10

or I don't know what you guys celebrate?

34:12

Do you guys go skiing? Do you like

34:14

the beach instead? It's just about being

34:16

with the family and since I have

34:19

my kids I really see I

34:21

get to experience again Christmas

34:24

like when I was little and it's like

34:26

having a second chance

34:29

like to experience it

34:31

to experience that magic and it's incredible. I

34:34

love it again so much for a few years

34:37

I it was just like one

34:39

more part of the year but now it's a

34:41

big deal it's become a big deal. My

34:43

three-year-old this morning he was saying that he wanted

34:45

to get this truck there was like a crane

34:47

thing and I said okay well we'll see if

34:50

Santa comes and he goes no you buy it

34:52

and I said no no no we're gonna see

34:54

we're gonna see if Santa goes you data you

34:56

buy it. He's

34:59

three and a half. Now

35:02

what do you think? You're too old to be to

35:04

be still in the Santa world. I'm

35:10

saying this gently because I don't know how young our listeners

35:12

are. I feel it's when they're

35:15

ready. When they're ready

35:17

when they're ready and maybe your son is

35:19

ready now. It's a little shocking

35:21

but when they're ready they're gonna do

35:24

it in a different way. He

35:26

doesn't think that I'm Santa no no no he's just

35:28

saying that he doesn't want to wait for Santa. Look

35:30

at this guy look at this guy. Oh

35:33

adorable. Was he on the potty there? I

35:35

love it. He looks very excited about his

35:37

movement. I

35:44

asked him this morning also I'm not gonna get to it and

35:46

we asked him who's the boss and he said me. You're

35:50

not the boss anyway. I remember I

35:52

remember in Christmas like my mom

35:54

used to get us so

35:56

much more in debt than we already were. Christmas

35:58

was as like the number

36:01

one thing in her life. She would, she

36:03

would max out her credit cards and mortgage

36:05

the house just so we could have presence.

36:08

And as I got older, I'm like, I don't

36:11

know if this is the greatest business model

36:13

for our home. Like maybe you're leaving us

36:15

with another gift too, mom. That's debt. Well,

36:19

by the way, it's a very sort of, it's,

36:21

it's very much symbolic of like sort of the

36:23

age that we live in a, you watch these

36:25

ads up now on TV and they're all like,

36:27

everybody's going to go to one of these big

36:29

box stores and they're like, well, dad needs a

36:32

CD player. My son needs a new big screen

36:34

TV. And I'm like, who, what kind of money

36:36

do people have that they're spending? Like, you know

36:38

what I mean? Like they're having these huge, it

36:40

seems crazy. Anyway, I don't want to remember really

36:42

quick just while we're on the subject. My mom

36:44

constantly with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth,

36:47

constantly 24 hours a day, filling

36:49

the stockings by the fire and then

36:51

by the tree that was real with

36:53

her lit cigarette, just putting stuff under

36:55

the tree. That was my dad too.

36:57

Really? Really? I got smoking in the house

36:59

and doctors telling him you have to quit. And

37:01

he was saying to us, this is a complet

37:03

of the family. It's not true that I have

37:05

to quit. You are all talking to the doctor.

37:08

What a character. How is

37:10

this the smoking in Europe? There's

37:12

still a lot of smokers in

37:14

Europe, correct? Much less, much less. I

37:17

mean, I grew up in a spending time

37:19

every day in a her saloon because my

37:21

mom owned a her saloon. Oh, really? Everyone

37:23

was smoking in front of all the kids.

37:25

No way. The combination of that plus

37:27

all the toxicity of all

37:29

the products. Can you imagine?

37:32

You couldn't smoke in the elevator over in Europe. No,

37:35

no, it was ashtrays in the elevators. When?

37:38

Yeah. When I was in Paris

37:40

a couple of years ago, there were still ashtrays in the

37:43

elevators. I don't know.

37:45

I think it's like now or in every... No,

37:48

no bientour. No, no, no, no. Wait

37:50

a second. Penelope, how many languages do

37:52

you know? Everyone that lives in Europe

37:55

knows like five languages. Yeah. Well,

37:57

I speak Italian. I

38:00

don't know when I will get rid of and I'm pretty very

38:05

Oh my god, I

38:07

can't believe I'm here. Okay,

38:09

do you do me? We want to see

38:12

what we can be there Yeah,

38:14

yeah, yeah, it's not Well, you

38:16

know Penelope, I you know, obviously, I don't know you

38:18

it's such a pleasure to meet you So

38:23

I love you. This is so much fun.

38:26

I could be here for five hours straight. Okay,

38:28

great. Well, we have two minutes. So Where

38:30

are you going? Oh, yeah No,

38:33

um Sean believe me Sean has eight hours that he

38:35

needs to fill to So

38:38

this is perfect if you could just stick around till

38:40

seven tonight No, it

38:43

seems like you know There's there's certain points in

38:45

my life that I can remember changed me and

38:47

I grew from Oh

38:52

I love that you announce it That

38:57

was the best That's

38:59

our first ever sneeze that is I love that Sometimes

39:02

I sneeze eight times in a row. Oh

39:04

my god. I look always three it's gonna

39:07

happen I

39:09

did it. I did it today. I did it this morning too.

39:11

I think it's going around a sneeze What about people who muffled

39:13

their sneezes? It's my favorite thing to do and people that stifle

39:17

Them I'm like, just let it out You're yourself

39:19

one of the greatest releases ever. Yeah, that has

39:21

to be buzz for you Yeah,

39:23

sneeze edging is no good. All right, keep going

39:27

Sean keep going. I think was

39:30

there's certain points in my life that I can recall

39:34

Changed me where I grew from them where I

39:36

learned and they were filling jokes here There

39:39

are experiences that made me grow up quickly There

39:43

are experiences that made me grow up

39:45

quickly and uh and

39:47

realize and see things differently and

39:49

you seem like not again not knowing you

39:52

seem like you have an amazing no bullshit

39:54

meter like You're oh, thank you. You know,

39:56

like you can call it out right away.

39:59

Were those? Were there certain moments in your

40:01

life that taught you that, that you can remember you're like,

40:03

you know what, because of this experience, I have now changed.

40:05

I'm going to call you on that now. So it doesn't

40:07

happen to me again. Hmm. It,

40:10

yes. And a few

40:12

things like crucial moments in my life

40:14

that I remember that, that were like

40:16

a turning point in terms of,

40:18

Oh, actually you can respect

40:21

yourself that much and it's okay. No, and

40:23

it's not just, okay. I feel

40:25

so much happier. And I, moments like these

40:28

are, uh, I feel like, if

40:30

you get to live a long life, those things

40:32

you remember before you go. I'm sure. Yeah. Do you

40:34

remember what some of those are or loads of moments? If you

40:37

want to share them, for example, working

40:39

with Michael, I was very interesting that

40:41

way because he's very, very tough and

40:44

I loved, we

40:46

didn't have a lot of free time there. We

40:48

were working really hard and nonstop, but sometimes

40:51

if we had 10 minutes in between

40:54

shots, I just wanted to talk

40:56

to him about without

40:58

calling it that in front of him, but it

41:00

was about his toughness, you know, about the reasons

41:02

why he has no problem

41:04

saying no, which is sometimes harder for

41:07

me. And, and

41:09

he said, he answered something

41:11

so brilliant. He said, you know, there is

41:13

no free lunch. There's

41:16

so much in that answer that I needed

41:18

to hear. There's no free lunch. That advice.

41:20

Yeah. There is no free lunch. Meaning

41:22

like if, what, I

41:25

don't want to give a specific example, but

41:27

there are times in your life when you

41:30

know, you have to say no to something and

41:32

so many justifications and all, but this, but that

41:34

will make you say, yes, you don't want to

41:36

hurt somebody feeling you don't want to know, no,

41:38

no, no, it's too complicated. But,

41:40

but you feel like what's the right thing to do.

41:43

And, and he's very like, very

41:46

honest that way and, and has

41:49

no problem saying. Yeah. And

41:51

then, and then you were like, Oh, I didn't, I

41:53

didn't know that I, it's okay for me to say

41:55

no. Yeah. Well, that's a boundary thing, right? It's a

41:57

boundary thing. Meaning there is no free lunch. you

42:01

don't say no when you know you have to

42:03

and you accumulate too many of those. One day you're

42:05

going to explode. I know. Cause I had to learn

42:07

that. Well, I'd say in here

42:09

and I was, and JB, we taught Sean, you and

42:11

I talked about what JB recent I said within the

42:13

last year, Jason, I said to you, I really

42:16

respect your ability to draw boundaries for yourself.

42:18

You've gotten, you're really good. You really

42:20

set a good example for me. I

42:22

think it took me to get older

42:24

to understand. And it is

42:27

Penelope. Like you say, when you start to be able

42:29

to say no, or to draw a boundary and say,

42:31

this is my boundary, it's

42:33

so freeing because you feel you take a little

42:35

bit of power back and you're able to go

42:37

like, yeah, that's not okay for me. Yeah.

42:40

And then, you know, it's very difficult

42:42

to learn that. And also

42:45

as an actor, actress starting very young, when

42:47

you depend on others to say yes to

42:49

you to work, and then you realize that,

42:51

Oh, maybe I have to say no, for

42:54

example, to this project and how can I

42:57

allow myself to say no to that? That's

42:59

also a huge lesson. One of the

43:01

same, thank you for saying that. Well, but one

43:04

of the things that, that, uh, I worry

43:06

about is that it, uh, I just, that

43:09

I get meaner or that think people will think,

43:11

Oh, well, he's being mean or that's

43:13

right, or he's cranky. And

43:15

while that might be the case, what

43:17

is, what is to compensate for that.

43:20

I have expanded my nice side when there

43:22

are moments that I feel like I should

43:24

be nicer or I should be generous in

43:26

this moment or do that thing. I end

43:28

up doing more of those things and being

43:30

nicer when it is time to be nice.

43:32

So I see you making the, I I've,

43:34

I've, I've seen you making the effort lately.

43:37

I swear to God, I'm not

43:39

kidding. It's not about the no. It's

43:41

about how you say the no. Yeah. How

43:43

you say it. And what you were

43:45

saying, Jason is just more honest and

43:48

that doesn't make you meaner. You're just more

43:50

honest because behind a lot of

43:52

yeses that you don't want to say there

43:55

is a, no, no, no, no, no,

43:57

no, no, no, no, there is no, there is no way. I

44:00

learned that lesson and I'm not going back to where

44:02

I was. By

44:05

the way, we are still owed seven more sneezes.

44:08

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47:56

now. and

48:00

say no to that. Yeah. Yeah. And you're right.

48:02

You're a place it with tomorrow. It's kind

48:05

of a good, um, I

48:07

want to, I want to ask you, uh, this is going

48:09

to be sort of, I'm veering way off topic, but it's

48:11

going to ask you to do something in a few months

48:13

and just pretend I'm just going to say no. Okay. Well,

48:15

let's see. Okay. It's a bag with 30 million euros

48:20

in it, but I guess no. Um,

48:23

no, I was going to ask you about, um,

48:26

I love Madrid. I've been there a few times.

48:28

I think it's really such a phenomenal city. I

48:30

really love Spain in, um, one

48:33

of my great nights that I had in Madrid

48:35

was with, with an old friend of mine who

48:37

lives there, who's lived there for 20, 25

48:40

years, different business finance,

48:43

good guy to know. Um, but

48:45

he, he took me out. We

48:47

went for drinks. Then we went to an

48:49

Atlético Madrid game and then we went for

48:51

dinner. It was a Sunday night and

48:54

we sat down for dinner at about 11

48:56

PM. Oh my God, I'm out. And, and

48:58

it was just starting to fill up in

49:01

the families. It was that very famous restaurant

49:03

where everybody goes, I forget what

49:05

it's called, but it's a very sort of fancy and

49:07

it was like, and I know that like, I don't

49:09

know if the prince or the King still goes there,

49:12

but he used to, it was like one of the,

49:14

and the families would come in 10 people

49:16

in the family, the kids, everybody. I left

49:18

at one o'clock, said an early flight the

49:20

next day. And I'm like, I

49:23

can't believe that. Why is it always so

49:25

late? Like it just sounds like a bunch of acid

49:27

reflux. That

49:30

was my, my, my schedule before, before

49:32

having a family, you know, it

49:34

was like normal to go

49:36

to dinner at 10 with your friends,

49:39

with family, but not, I mean, the

49:41

schools in Spain start like early, like

49:44

here, like around 8 30

49:46

or eight and, and you can have

49:48

that schedule. Maybe sometimes

49:50

in the weekend, but that's, that's

49:53

more for a single, single people. It's

49:55

like, like the other, I've never been to Spain and I

49:57

want to go really bad. Is

50:00

it kind of like, is that the country

50:02

or the side of the world that doesn't get dark

50:04

until like 10 or 11 at night or something like

50:06

that? No, you got to go north. In the summer,

50:08

we have light until 10. No

50:13

way. In the summer, we

50:16

do. But then further north you go, Sean.

50:18

Beautiful. The lighter it stays up later. This

50:20

is so... I'm so sorry. This

50:22

is a little bit of a charity hire.

50:25

No, no. Yeah, he

50:27

wanted to get into radio. He wanted to experience

50:29

the light of Madrid in the summer. So

50:33

Penelope, now here you are. You're

50:35

here in America and you're doing all this stuff

50:37

for Ferrari, which is, first of all, Michael Mann,

50:39

of course, one of the all-time great

50:42

directors. But

50:45

you're here, you're in America and you're

50:47

doing all the stuff that goes with

50:49

that. Yeah, this is what I love.

50:51

The Presto, which includes talking to us,

50:53

I imagine. What

50:57

is that like for you? How do you sort

50:59

of gear up for that with your life and everything that's going

51:01

on with the kids and you got to go like, all right,

51:03

I got to go do all the junkets. Turn it on. Yeah,

51:06

I got to... Do you like that stuff or is

51:08

it okay? You know, it's

51:10

part of it. And I just do

51:12

very short trips. Went

51:15

to New York for one day for the Gotham

51:17

Awards and then back home and

51:19

then London one day and a half back

51:21

home. And now we're here for

51:23

a couple of days. I'd

51:25

rather do it like this, you know, than putting

51:28

together a long trip. Ideally

51:30

would you do one job a year or two jobs

51:33

a year? Do you try to... That

51:35

changed a lot. I used to do like

51:37

four movies per year and travel nonstop. And

51:40

now I do like one per year

51:42

and they're not too long. And what

51:44

I can do, one in Madrid while

51:46

the school is happening, maybe

51:48

we do that one and one in the summer so we

51:51

can travel all together. And this is like the... I

51:53

feel very privileged and very lucky to be able to

51:55

do it that way because I feel

51:58

like all of those years working... so

52:00

hard have given me the

52:02

opportunity to be able to choose what I

52:05

want to do now and be a little

52:07

bit like the owner more or less of

52:09

my own schedule even if you know how

52:12

things always change if they tell you you're gonna

52:14

start in March probably you're gonna start a month

52:16

later but even

52:19

like counting with that

52:22

and knowing that that will always be the nature

52:24

of our profession and feeling

52:26

like I kind of own

52:29

a big part of my time is such

52:33

a blessing yeah that's a blessing because

52:35

like I told you before my priorities

52:37

is raising my children so and I

52:40

feel so lucky that I can combine that with

52:42

my work yeah it's so cool to be

52:44

able to shift that perspective from when you're younger and you're

52:46

like you were saying like you're trying to

52:48

make a mark you're trying to do as much stuff as

52:50

you can you want to work with directors you want to

52:53

work on different projects and then you get older

52:55

and you're like yeah that stuff's

52:57

not as important to me anymore I mean it's

52:59

a luxury obviously but yeah it

53:01

is I mean I don't take

53:03

it for granted and that and

53:05

I also still still love so

53:07

much like preparing a character the

53:10

research process and being on the set

53:12

and the creativity and how

53:14

that makes me feel like searching for

53:16

answers and I

53:18

still feel like the little girl

53:20

that was watching the Betamax. What

53:23

was your first Hollywood film? What was your first

53:25

big? It was Stephen

53:28

Freer's a movie called Hilo Country

53:30

and I was obsessed with him

53:32

because of the Grifters and Dejureth

53:34

liaison so that was also a

53:36

phone call that made me so happy. Can

53:40

I ask you a dorky actor question

53:42

because you're such a great actor

53:44

you're very... Thank you so much.

53:47

No no you really you really

53:49

are there's I find myself

53:51

when I watch you play a character I'm

53:53

leaning in I'm trying to read your mind

53:55

there's you're not you're not it's great you

53:58

don't help the audience you're very internal. and

54:00

that's my favorite kind. But

54:02

I think sometimes that it would

54:04

be hard for me

54:06

to manage

54:08

that kind of subtlety, if I,

54:11

if with an accent, I

54:14

wonder if I would be, is

54:16

it challenge? Is it easier for

54:18

you when you're playing a character

54:20

that's speaking Spanish versus English, because,

54:22

because oftentimes the difference

54:24

between a good performance and a bad performance

54:26

will be in the way in which lines

54:28

are said in the meter and what, like

54:30

you can say, I love you a million

54:33

different ways. And, and an accent can change

54:35

what an intention sounds like. I love you.

54:38

I love you. I love you.

54:40

Like, and oftentimes an accent

54:43

is that it changes the rhythm of something. Do

54:46

you have to manage that at all? Is it, do you

54:48

even think about it? So I think about

54:50

it a lot because I, I

54:53

feel very lucky that I'm able to

54:55

do movies in four languages and a

54:57

lot of different accents, for example, with

54:59

Spanish language, a lot of different accents.

55:01

And I feel like is sometimes

55:06

I don't want to call it a disadvantage to have an

55:08

accent because at the end of the day, for me in

55:10

my career, it has given me more advantages

55:13

than the opposite because it has

55:16

opened so many doors to be able

55:18

to play so many different nationalities. And,

55:21

um, I don't know that I could now

55:24

like get to play a

55:27

character that has English as

55:29

her first language. And

55:31

maybe someday we could get to that. But

55:34

if, would I change that,

55:36

but not being able to play an Italian

55:38

or, um, French

55:41

or, um, all the

55:43

characters that I, that I can play

55:45

in English that can be from so

55:47

many nationalities, but like I said, maybe

55:50

English is not their first language when

55:52

I'm working in Spanish. Of

55:54

course, there's going to be like, um, a freedom

55:56

that you're not going to have when you are

55:59

working in a different. language, but it's

56:01

not always that way because sometimes when,

56:04

when I'm working with a different language

56:06

or accent, I don't hear myself. I

56:08

don't recognize myself. And that already gives

56:10

me a space, a distance

56:13

between myself to create somebody

56:15

new that actually is very

56:17

helpful for me. So, I

56:20

mean, I, I keep working with, I'm always

56:22

with a dialect coach in my life. I,

56:24

I lately I work a lot

56:27

with Tim Monick. I feel

56:29

like I've heard of him. It's incredible. And

56:32

I've had so many teachers in, in, for

56:35

all different languages and accent or go

56:37

to the place and spend time there.

56:41

And you feel like you have as much

56:43

control over your intention when you're reading a

56:45

line, even though you might be working with

56:47

an accent versus the kind of

56:50

control you have when you're working in Spanish,

56:52

you feel like it's, it's, it's, it's equal

56:54

enough. I feel like if I put

56:56

a lot, a lot of time into it so that

56:58

I get to a place where I don't have to

57:00

be thinking about it, I will

57:02

have the advantages of having that a

57:05

distance between myself and,

57:08

and the way that character speaks. I'm

57:10

not recognizing myself when I speak. And,

57:13

and, and I enjoy

57:15

that very much. Yeah. Um, but

57:18

for example, I'm making a movie in the spring, um,

57:21

in English and I start

57:23

to work now in, in January and it's

57:25

going to be like every day, putting many

57:27

hours into it so that I

57:29

don't have to be thinking about it when I'm

57:31

there. So you just can't, yeah, so it becomes

57:34

part of you. And that character would have an

57:36

American accent or a Spanish accent.

57:38

No, you will have a Spanish accent, but we

57:40

want it to be as, um, always

57:43

as clear as possible. And, and just

57:45

so there's, so there's no gap there so that

57:47

it's much more immediate is what you're saying. Yeah.

57:50

But, but the gap that is the

57:52

accent or acting in another language sometimes

57:54

helps so much to create that

57:57

distance and. Allows you to

57:59

enter a different. person. Yeah. Can I ask

58:01

you when you, you won, I think it was 2008 maybe, uh, when

58:03

you won an

58:05

academy award for a Vicki Christina Barcelona, right?

58:07

Is that 2008? Something like

58:11

that. I think, I think it

58:13

was 2008, maybe 2009, something like

58:15

that for Vicki Christina Barcelona. When

58:18

you, when you won, cause this

58:21

is always like a sort of a trippy thing. It's kind of like

58:24

you win the, you know, the great academy

58:26

award. Did you

58:28

feel that kind of, uh, was it euphoric

58:30

in the moment? Was it let down? Did

58:33

it change anything or did you go or

58:35

were, you know, what was that sort of,

58:37

was the moment as you imagined it? Yeah.

58:39

Yeah. Well the, the,

58:41

it was the first one of the

58:43

night. So I was happy about that

58:45

because my heart was going so fast. I don't know

58:48

how I could have gone through hours

58:50

of that, but it was, it

58:52

was incredible to be able to hug my mother

58:55

there. I was sad my father wasn't there cause

58:57

they were not, um, together

59:00

as a couple. So they would take turns

59:02

and she came to, to some

59:04

awards. He came to others and, and all

59:06

their family and friends were there. And,

59:09

and I just, the thing

59:11

is that I only remember like 30% of it

59:13

because the adrenaline was

59:15

so high. And, and

59:18

I remember like right after winning, calling

59:20

my father and calling Pedro and,

59:22

and, and I remember the Pedro's

59:24

like, Oh, this girl will not

59:26

leave me alone. And I remember

59:29

going after the ceremony, we went

59:31

to, to in and out. And

59:37

then we got in, went to guy

59:39

a serious house who is a very

59:42

good friend of mine. And I'm sure

59:44

you've been in that part. I walked

59:46

in and I looked to my left

59:48

and in a sofa together, there was

59:51

Jack Nicholson, Scorsese, Harvey K. Tell, and

59:55

Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, and

59:58

I was like, Oh, cut. handle

1:00:00

that. And I got

1:00:03

so nervous. That image

1:00:05

was like, Oh, I should have taken a picture

1:00:07

of that image. All of them

1:00:09

together. Guy can pack a house that

1:00:12

that Ash, I was going to ask you a bit

1:00:14

ago, but that's a perfect segue. You know, you said

1:00:16

you lived here for 15 years, but what are some

1:00:18

of the, and then, but when you come visit, what

1:00:20

are the, some of the, some of the things you

1:00:22

look forward to eating like in and

1:00:25

out or seeing or experiencing, like

1:00:27

do you miss any, anything that you get

1:00:29

excited about here? Um, I

1:00:31

have a group of friends that get to,

1:00:33

we get together and we play wolves, wolves

1:00:36

and villagers. You know the game, right?

1:00:38

Of course, of course. And I know

1:00:40

some of the players and, Oh

1:00:43

my God. And you know, everyone ends up

1:00:45

like a so angry with each

1:00:47

other for weeks because you

1:00:49

just have to lie and betray

1:00:51

other people in this game. And

1:00:54

it's a really good game for actors. And, and

1:00:56

you know, it's one of the things that

1:00:58

I try to do when I come back

1:01:00

to LA, like get together with the wolf

1:01:02

players that I have here. And we play

1:01:04

a lot in Spain also. You can play it

1:01:07

on zoom too. Have you ever, you ever played it on

1:01:09

zoom? No, no. Yeah, you can play it

1:01:11

on zoom. Interesting. Yeah, you can, yeah, you

1:01:13

can do it on, uh, I think over COVID there was

1:01:15

a lot of mafia on zoom. Interesting. Really?

1:01:18

I have a team of players in Madrid, like

1:01:20

many friends that are obsessed with the game like

1:01:22

I am. And, and then other

1:01:25

team of players here. And there's,

1:01:27

there's, there's a show based on it.

1:01:29

Penelope called traders and it's

1:01:31

based on that. And the UK, a UK

1:01:34

version, an American version, an Australian version. And

1:01:36

now a friend of mine did a

1:01:38

Spanish version of the show. Oh

1:01:40

really? Yeah. Yeah. What's

1:01:45

something that people don't know that you do like

1:01:47

a sort of guilty pleasure or something that you

1:01:49

like, do you like watch bad

1:01:51

reality TV? We, this is, I feel like Jason,

1:01:53

I'm getting into your territory with this question. We

1:01:56

love this question. We love this question. What do you

1:01:58

do? Do you, are you secretly a golfer, do

1:02:00

you play tennis, do you have some

1:02:02

obsession, I don't know. You like to

1:02:04

doodle? Well

1:02:08

I love a good massage, I have to say.

1:02:11

Oh my god. I would have a massage

1:02:13

every day. I

1:02:15

would like to every single day. Do

1:02:19

you have, do you get a massage once a week? No,

1:02:22

but I don't know. Maybe

1:02:24

once a month, once a day, but I love

1:02:26

it. I hurt my back in the

1:02:28

shower actually the other day. How are you doing?

1:02:31

Yeah, just like trying to wash my feet, just

1:02:33

reaching down and out it goes.

1:02:35

So I got a massage last night, it

1:02:37

was so deep and so painful, I hurt

1:02:39

more today than I did yesterday but it's

1:02:41

all different. It's all, I'm just sore from,

1:02:43

so sometimes it can be a little too

1:02:46

hard, yes Penelope? I don't

1:02:48

know, it's one of my, I don't

1:02:50

know what can you call it? It's

1:02:52

a, it's not a hobby, what can you call

1:02:54

it? It's a luxury, it's a passion, a

1:02:57

hot treat. Yeah, I love it. And

1:02:59

I love kneading. Oh you do?

1:03:01

Yeah, I'm starting to do that

1:03:03

with my daughter because my grandmother taught me

1:03:05

how to do that and sewing and I

1:03:09

love cooking because with my

1:03:11

job it's not that I can cook every day but

1:03:14

it's something that I really like and I

1:03:18

don't have a lot of, actually like a

1:03:20

lot of social life and I don't really

1:03:23

go out, I don't drink, you

1:03:26

know, I have strange

1:03:28

hobbies also that... Or like?

1:03:32

I don't know why I always end up talking

1:03:34

about this in interviews but I love reading about

1:03:36

medicine. You too, I love that. I love

1:03:38

it. Why are you hypochondriac? Yes, there were

1:03:41

words with medicine. I'm obsessed. There are

1:03:43

many in the world. I'm obsessed. You do?

1:03:45

Yes. I love when

1:03:47

I find somebody that can... How

1:03:50

did it happen? Am I going to get it? I'm like,

1:03:52

oh, best friend. Sean is on

1:03:54

a VIP program. This is not a joke at

1:03:56

Cedars because he's so obsessed with his own... Right?

1:04:00

his own entrance. Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:02

Well, you and I best friends. Yes.

1:04:04

But I mean, I'm obsessed. But do

1:04:07

you both, do you both worry about

1:04:09

mortality? Do you feel like it's not

1:04:11

about mortality. It's about suffering. Yes.

1:04:14

It's about suffering. I don't want to catch it.

1:04:16

Tell me how I lose. How did you get

1:04:18

it? How do I avoid it? You know, all

1:04:20

that. Yes. Yes. Were you both very nervous about

1:04:22

COVID when COVID was around? Were you both nervous

1:04:25

about that? I was, I was

1:04:27

more nervous for all the people, for older

1:04:29

or, or, or for, for, for

1:04:31

children. Obviously we didn't know what

1:04:33

was going to happen. And I

1:04:35

was worried for my mom

1:04:38

for, did everybody get COVID? I

1:04:40

did. I did go COVID Sean. Did you get it?

1:04:42

You still haven't had it, right? Well, I've never had

1:04:44

it. No. Oh my God. But Penelope,

1:04:46

I'm more worried about like, like

1:04:49

if I, if like, um, my stomach hurts or like

1:04:51

my eye hurt, I'm like, Oh my God, I have

1:04:53

cancer. I'm going to die or like whatever. I go

1:04:55

from zero to a hundred and then I have to

1:04:57

read all about it. And like, but you might should

1:04:59

be scared. You've got an extra eye. Don't you?

1:05:02

The thing is that you have to know where

1:05:05

to read it. And when you do this, you end

1:05:07

up knowing where to go. It's not like a,

1:05:09

when doesn't it happen to you? Like if you go

1:05:11

to the doctor with the right questions and

1:05:13

they tell you, you're not one of those that

1:05:16

is reading everything on internet. And it's like, what

1:05:18

depends if you go to the right places, you

1:05:20

actually can come here with the right question.

1:05:22

It doesn't mean you go to

1:05:24

the doctor with the answers, but you go with

1:05:26

the right question. Sometimes they don't like that. That's

1:05:29

right. And that's right. My doctor is like, yeah,

1:05:31

look it up online. He always says that. Does

1:05:34

he really? He does

1:05:36

pretty lazy. Or take a picture and

1:05:38

text it to me. That's

1:05:41

what he

1:05:43

said. Well, listen,

1:05:46

Penelope, we have taken up way too

1:05:48

much of your time. It's such an honor having you

1:05:50

here and to join us. I love this. You said

1:05:52

earlier to me

1:05:54

that I need to experience the light of Madrid.

1:05:56

And I think I just did. Yeah.

1:06:00

I had so much fun talking to

1:06:02

you right there. I feel it's too

1:06:04

short. You shined your light on us. It is too short.

1:06:06

I had so much fun in this conversation. We'll continue it

1:06:08

in Madrid. Next time we're down to Madrid, we're going to

1:06:10

look you up. We're going to have an 11 p.m. dinner

1:06:13

on a Sunday night. You're going to cook for us. Yes,

1:06:15

I will if you want. Yes. I

1:06:17

would love that. We'll do it. Well,

1:06:20

listen, continued success really, and congratulations to everything.

1:06:22

Enjoy your trip, your holidays, get back to

1:06:24

the family. And I can't wait for Ferrari.

1:06:26

Yeah, we can't wait. Yeah, we're looking forward

1:06:28

to that. Thank you. Thank you

1:06:30

so much. Thank you. You're being

1:06:33

really kind. Thank you so much. Thank you,

1:06:35

Penelope. Thank you. Bye. Bye.

1:06:38

Fuck. I'm fucking with this. Oh,

1:06:40

look at that. You were so you Penelope was so

1:06:42

great. You're sweating. I know that was

1:06:45

I mean, gosh, right? Yeah. I'll

1:06:47

be Cruz. I would. I didn't

1:06:49

know what to do. I'm such a fan. I've never met her

1:06:51

or anything. And to I didn't know what to expect. I know.

1:06:54

And now I'm like a bigger fan. Like

1:06:56

she's a really fun and

1:06:58

fun. I was hoping that she was going

1:07:00

to be as as as charming and as

1:07:03

wonderful as she seems to be. Right.

1:07:06

Don't you ever play that game where you watch people on

1:07:08

talk shows and stuff like that and you're just a fan

1:07:10

of theirs and you feel like like like hurt like what

1:07:12

she was saying about Pedro Almodovar. Yeah. He

1:07:14

says I say like she could just tell boy

1:07:16

if we ever met we'd really get along. I

1:07:18

played that sometimes I look at the other side.

1:07:20

You know what? I bet she'd be

1:07:23

awesome. And I think a lot of I think a lot

1:07:25

of people do think that sometimes in the general public and

1:07:27

they're like psychotic a little bit but

1:07:29

she's not because she's actually legitimately you're getting a

1:07:31

psycho vibe when you'd watch not from her. I'm

1:07:33

saying that the people you know there are people

1:07:35

who watch movies and go like I would be

1:07:37

best friends with Jason Bateman and wait for him.

1:07:40

I won't wait for him and we will be you know what I mean. But

1:07:43

Sean you kind of said it like it's a little

1:07:45

different when it's her you know

1:07:47

she shows up and you're like um yeah okay

1:07:50

yeah feel free to hang out in that movie.

1:07:52

I know I want to see Ferrari so bad.

1:07:54

I know me too. I love. I

1:07:57

love Adam. I like her. I like Michael Mann and

1:07:59

I like. cars you know I mean I

1:08:01

don't know if I'd ever be able to pull

1:08:03

off owning one but I do know

1:08:06

you got to have a certain you kind of got

1:08:08

to have a certain thing to be able to own

1:08:10

a Ferrari yeah hey will you ever owned

1:08:12

a Ferrari funnily

1:08:14

enough I have but the point is an

1:08:18

old one an old one not like you know

1:08:20

I don't like not like one of these douchebags

1:08:22

who drives around you know LA

1:08:24

and one of those you know sure yeah I've

1:08:27

never I've never been in one I've only

1:08:29

seen them drive by

1:08:32

oh by

1:08:35

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