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Step judgment. I
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think Mars looks a lot like Colorado. It
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was funny because my daughter feels
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like she grew up, you know, with robot
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siblings. And I remember when
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she was about three years old, we
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went out to Colorado to visit my parents and
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we're driving around Garden of the
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Gods. And my daughter looks
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out the window and I heard her say, wow,
2:04
we're on Mars. Because
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she grew up with the pictures and she's like,
2:09
we're on Mars. And I heard her talking
2:11
to herself and she said, well,
2:13
grandma and grandpa are
2:16
mama's parents and
2:18
mama works on Mars. Oh,
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it makes sense now. This
2:25
is where she goes when she's working. What
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do you do? I work
2:30
at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. I've been
2:32
there 27 years. Jennifer
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Herman has known she wanted to work at
2:40
NASA since she was a little girl. I
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was in third grade when I saw
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images from Voyager coming
2:48
back from Saturn. And
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it just amazed me. NASA
2:55
had launched the Voyager spacecraft three
2:57
years earlier to collect
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information about Jupiter, Saturn, and
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their moons. And
3:04
in November 1980, the first
3:07
Voyager spacecraft finally made
3:09
its way past Saturn. My
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father went to
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the store and got a copy
3:15
of Life magazine, you know, the
3:17
really big Time Life magazine. And I had
3:20
images from Voyager on the cover and
3:23
on the inside and he was in the
3:25
military. So we moved, gosh, almost every year.
3:29
And I would tape those
3:31
images on my wall and every time we moved
3:33
to a new base, I'd carefully
3:35
take them down and then
3:37
carefully tape them back up. What
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do you remember seeing and hearing about
3:42
that mission? And why
3:45
were you so interested? Oh
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gosh, it's
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a little bit of a tangle
3:52
in my mind between the Jupiter encounter and the
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Saturn encounter. But Carl Sagan would
3:57
come on the Tonight Show and that's when
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my parents... and so let me stay up late as
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if they heard, you know, Carl Sagan's going to be on
4:03
Johnny Carson. You can stay up late and watch. I'm like,
4:05
yay. And then they would just
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tell us things that, you know, we didn't know.
4:10
You know, like, oh, look at this red spot.
4:12
Look at these clouds. And when we went to
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Saturn, it was like, oh, these
4:16
rings are different than we expected, you know. And
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then the moons,
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like the moons of Jupiter, it's like,
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wow, look at Io. There are volcanoes.
4:24
We didn't know there could be volcanoes
4:26
this far from the sun. And it's
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just so fascinating, all these things and
4:31
that we didn't know. And I think that's
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what amazed me the most when I was
4:35
eight years old is I figured
4:38
the scientists knew everything and everything was in
4:40
the books. But to think that there were
4:42
things that were undiscovered,
4:45
that was so exciting, so
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exciting to me. Dornifer
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told her parents about her plans to
4:52
work at NASA. And no
4:54
one in my family had gone to college. But
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my parents were just like, you can
5:00
do anything. Like my dad said, I
5:02
don't know exactly what you need to
5:04
do to work there. But
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I'm pretty sure you need to do well in
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math and science. So just work hard in school.
5:12
Make sure you get scholarships because college
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is expensive. And
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I found out that Caltech was the
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university that managed JPL.
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And I went, well, maybe it would help me if
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I went to school there. JPL
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is NASA's jet propulsion laboratory. Dornifer
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did get into Caltech. And
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she started studying physics. But
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it turns out physics is really hard. And
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I tried, but I turned
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out to be better at chemistry. When
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Jennifer was about to graduate, she met a
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group of people who worked at JPL.
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I told one of them, my dream was
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always to work at JPL. But since I
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majored in chemistry, I guess I can't do
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that now. And
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then one in particular said, no,
6:03
that's crazy. We used to
6:05
just build spacecraft that would fly by planets,
6:08
but now we're going to start landing on
6:10
them and studying, like, the Martian soil and
6:12
things like that. So
6:14
we actually do need people with
6:16
chemistry backgrounds. And I was like,
6:18
really? It
6:21
was the happiest piece of
6:23
news. She applied for
6:25
a job, and they offered her one. She
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remembers driving to pick up her offer letter with
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her mother. And I just
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remember opening the envelope, and my hands were shaking,
6:34
and we, like, cried in the car.
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And my mom's like, wow, I'm so proud of you.
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And just remembering how much
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it meant to me. It's like a dream. She
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started at JPL less than a year
6:53
before they successfully landed the first rover
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on Mars. As part of
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the Mars Pathfinder mission, Jennifer
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was assigned to work on something
7:03
called the polar lander, which
7:06
was also supposed to land on Mars. She
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says for about a year, she spent all her
7:12
time in the lab, sometimes 80 hours
7:14
a week, getting the polar lander
7:16
ready. They launched
7:19
it in January of 1999. But
7:22
they wouldn't know if it would get to
7:24
Mars for 11 months. Finally,
7:28
in December, she went to a
7:30
party to watch it land. I
7:32
was with a whole group of people waiting
7:35
to see it touchdown so
7:38
we could be hugging and crying. It
7:40
was funny. That's what I always told my family.
7:42
You know, like, my dream was
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to be in, you know, on
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a project where we all got to hug and cry because we
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were so happy that it landed
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safely. And so
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what I remember is being in the
7:56
crowd, listening to
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the telemetry from Mission
8:00
Control, and it
8:02
was about to land and we lost contact.
8:06
Everyone went quiet. People
8:09
just started to slowly trickle out. And
8:12
I went from super crowded and excited to
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kind of the sadness you feel when
8:16
your team is maybe in the World Series
8:19
and they lose. And
8:21
everyone's like starting to leave and
8:23
very glum. A coworker
8:25
of mine, the two of us, we were the most in denial.
8:28
We sat at the bar, my friend and I, and
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I think we were the last two people in there.
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I mean, the cameras left and they
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turned off the feed and we just kept
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hoping. I think we stayed there for two hours, not
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ready to say
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goodbye. Later,
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she learned what had probably happened. NASA's
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best guess was this, that
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the engines meant to slow down the polar
8:56
lander as it approached the surface of Mars
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had shut off too early and
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it fell to the ground at 50 miles an
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hour. After
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that happened, I told my supervisor at
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JPL, it's
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like I can't do flight anymore. This is
9:13
too painful. For
9:16
several years, Jennifer worked on
9:18
things that were strictly on earth. Mostly
9:22
she did nuclear power research. Then
9:26
a supervisor approached her and
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asked if she would work on solar power
9:30
for two rovers that were already on Mars.
9:34
Their names were Spirit and
9:36
Opportunity. Then I told them the
9:38
whole story about the polar lander. Oh no, my
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heart is broken. I worked on that for
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80 hours a week and it crashed and
9:45
I can't do flight anymore. And he's like,
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oh, come on, Jennifer. The
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Mars rovers, they're already on the ground. They're
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not gonna crash. And don't worry,
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it's safe. They're already there, they're
9:56
already on the ground. Jennifer
9:59
agreed. Spirit
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and Opportunity had landed on Mars in
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2004. When
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Jennifer joined the team in February 2005,
10:09
they had already lasted more than three
10:11
times what anyone expected them to. No
10:15
one thought the rovers would last much longer.
10:18
But they did. I'm
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Phoebe Judge, and this is us.
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Tell me, what
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did these rovers look like? Oh,
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well, they have
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a camera mask sticking up above
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the solar panel deck. And
10:46
the cameras almost look like eyes. And
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so the solar panels are
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kind of flat on top, and it almost looks like
10:54
the back. And these wheels
10:57
look kind of like legs in there. So
10:59
it's very easy to see like an animal
11:02
in the... Kind
11:04
of like if you watched the movie, Wally. But
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the Mars rovers were first. You
11:10
know, a lot of people think of like RC
11:12
car, you know, little remote control car size. Well,
11:16
Spirit and Opportunity were about as tall as
11:18
a human. This is Carrie Bean. She
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was in high school when the rovers landed on Mars.
11:24
She remembers learning about them in a documentary
11:26
at space camp. Later
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in college, she met a
11:31
professor who studied the weather on Mars.
11:35
First week of college, he brought me into his
11:37
office and sat me down. And
11:39
I got to listen in to the planning meetings
11:41
for Spirit and Opportunity for the day. And I
11:43
had no idea what was going on. There was
11:45
a bazillion acronyms, but I thought it
11:47
was the coolest thing on the planet. And I needed to be a
11:49
part of it. And so my very first week
11:51
of college, I started working on the rovers. How
11:55
would you describe what Mars looks like? Being
11:59
a Star Wars nerd? I'd say it looks like Tatooine.
12:03
Um, sometimes they're sand
12:05
dunes. Sometimes it's really rocky and really
12:07
hard to drive because there's no real
12:09
good safe path or there's giant
12:12
cliff faces that we're driving up to
12:14
or cliff edges to look over the
12:17
vista. Do you have a favorite
12:19
part of Mars? Oh
12:22
goodness. I guess here's where my meteorology
12:24
is showing and I'll say it's the
12:26
atmosphere. It's so different than Earth's and
12:28
yet there's a lot of similarities. Like
12:30
it actually snows on Mars. Even
12:34
though the atmosphere is so different, it's so
12:36
thin, it's completely made of different stuff. It
12:39
still has a lot of the same aspects that apply
12:41
here on Earth. How
12:44
cold does it get on Mars in winter? Very
12:48
cold. We're talking
12:51
like minus 100 degrees Celsius. It's
12:53
very cold. And what about in the summer? In
12:57
the summer, humans could
12:59
walk around with a little jacket on. It
13:01
gets up maybe into like 70s Fahrenheit. I
13:04
know I'm switching units here. That's just what I'm
13:06
thinking of. But yeah, in the
13:08
summer, it gets pretty warm.
13:12
Walk around with a nice jacket and some oxygen. That
13:14
might be important as well. Are
13:16
there certain jobs on the rover team
13:18
that are more sought after, thought
13:21
to be the cool jobs? I
13:24
think definitely the Mars rover driver job is
13:26
the most sought after. So
13:29
rover drivers are considered like
13:31
the coolest in
13:34
the hierarchy. So
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I don't, you know, you're asking a rover
13:38
driver what is the coolest? And
13:42
I would definitely say it's a rover driver. This
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is Vandy Verma. She says
13:47
her twin four-year-olds don't think
13:49
rover driving is particularly special.
13:53
Me and my husband drive robots on
13:55
Mars. They think everybody's parents are
13:58
rover drivers. So
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I think they just, for them, it's
14:03
just like that's how it's always been. So
14:05
you know when I'm leaving for work, they'll
14:07
be like, bye mom! Are
14:09
you going to drive the rover? So
14:12
your husband also drives rovers? Yes
14:14
he does. Who's the better driver in
14:16
real life? You
14:20
know, I don't. It's an interesting
14:23
question. Roads
14:25
on Earth are very different. So
14:29
what is to say? Between
14:31
spirit and opportunity, which
14:34
rover was your favorite? The
14:38
first robot I drove on
14:40
Mars was Opportunity. And
14:43
that always has a special place
14:45
in your heart. But
14:47
spirit took us on
14:50
such a journey. Even
14:52
though technically on the engineering side they
14:55
are identical, they very much had their
14:57
own personalities. Spirit
14:59
landed in this just nasty
15:01
lava rock field and
15:03
had to work really hard for
15:05
everything. And she had to drive
15:08
a really long way to finally start getting
15:10
to some really interesting scientific spots. Whereas
15:12
Opportunity decided to make an interplanetary hole-in-one,
15:14
land into a small crater, immediately in
15:17
front of some interesting rocks that confirmed
15:19
that there had been liquid water there.
15:22
The first images that came down,
15:24
there was exposed outcrop, which is
15:27
essentially like a
15:29
cross-section like you might see at the Grand Canyon.
15:32
And Opportunity literally landed
15:35
right in front of it. So you know, drives
15:37
I did. I remember doing this drive with Opportunity.
15:40
And it was just kilometers
15:43
of sand. And then right
15:45
there in the middle you'll find and encounter a
15:47
meteorite. And it happened
15:49
to go right by it but didn't bump
15:51
into it. So there were a lot of
15:53
these situations where we
15:56
always thought of Opportunity as a lucky
15:59
rover. Two
16:01
years in, Spirit's front wheel got
16:04
stuck, so it could only drive
16:06
backwards. I remember
16:08
thinking to myself, I tried not to
16:10
say it out loud too much, but I remember
16:12
thinking back then, oh, Spirit's
16:15
my favorite. And
16:17
one time my daughter heard me and she got mad.
16:20
She's like, you're not supposed to choose favorite children. You're
16:22
supposed to love them all the same. And I'm like,
16:24
no, no, no. I
16:26
love them the same. I love them the same. But
16:30
I used to kind of favor Spirit a
16:32
little bit. Part
16:35
of Jennifer's job was to check how
16:37
much power the Rovers had. She
16:40
would look at how dusty the sky was, how
16:42
dusty the Rovers solar panels were,
16:45
and predict how charged the batteries would
16:47
be. It's almost like a
16:49
budget. It's kind of
16:52
giving the science team a
16:54
spending allowance of how
16:56
much energy they're going to have for
16:59
the next day's activities. The
17:01
team never let the batteries get close to
17:03
empty. It would be dangerous for
17:05
the Rovers. The Rovers
17:08
needed power to run heaters. Even
17:11
on the warmest summer days on Mars, temperatures can
17:13
drop 170 degrees at night. At
17:18
the beginning of the mission, everyone had
17:20
expected that the Rovers batteries would die
17:22
after 90 days on Mars, or
17:25
SAWS, because their solar
17:27
panels would get too covered with dust.
17:30
A SAW is longer than a day on Earth.
17:34
It's 24 hours, 39 minutes, and 35 seconds. Mars
17:39
is a very, very dusty place. And
17:41
the solar panels were
17:43
expected to start accumulating
17:46
more and more dust. And they did. The
17:50
estimates were that by around
17:52
SAW 90, we wouldn't
17:55
have enough power to
17:57
be able to do anything useful. But
18:00
that's not what happened. Instead,
18:02
there would be these funnels of wind on
18:05
Mars. Dust devils. You
18:07
know, it's sort of an enormous whirl
18:09
of wind that you can see moving
18:12
across the plane. It's
18:14
very interesting because I would
18:16
say it's almost like a dancer with,
18:18
you know, a very whirling sort
18:21
of movement moving across. Dust
18:24
devils would sometimes clean off the solar panels
18:27
so the rovers could keep charging. Spring
18:31
and summer were always the dustiest
18:33
seasons. There were usually
18:35
dust storms every year, but
18:38
in 2007, a group
18:40
of storms started to cover the
18:42
entire southern hemisphere of Mars. Then
18:46
the entire planet. What
18:49
does a dust storm on Mars look like?
18:52
Oh gosh, um... I
18:55
don't know if you've seen pictures of the old, like, Dust
18:58
Bowl days in the US.
19:01
Yeah. The dust on Mars is
19:03
very fine. And so
19:05
once it's lofted up into the air, it
19:09
just stays there for a little while and it, you know,
19:11
does a really good job of blocking out the Sun. For
19:14
a solar-powered rover, you can imagine not seeing
19:16
the Sun. It's pretty bad. They
19:19
measure how dusty the sky is with
19:21
a number called the Tau. The
19:24
lower the Tau, the clearer the sky.
19:27
Our typical Taos were around
19:29
one and a half. And
19:32
if it got kind of high in the summer, it might
19:34
be like a Tau of two. But
19:37
we had never seen anything really high. And
19:39
then in 2007, so
19:42
much dust got into the atmosphere. We
19:45
measured it to be, we think, around a
19:47
Tau of five. We
19:50
didn't think we would survive anything higher than
19:53
that, or even that, to be
19:55
honest. Because it,
19:59
you know, when you block that, much to the sun,
20:01
you can't generate enough energy to like
20:03
run the heaters and
20:05
so you'd freeze to death. Will
20:11
the
20:17
dust on
20:20
Mars settle? Will
20:28
the rovers ever see the sun again? When
20:31
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back to Snap Judgment. The tau equals
21:43
10.8 episode. The
21:46
last we left, a space storm had
21:48
just hit, completely blocking the Mars rovers
21:51
from the sun. Snap
21:54
Judgment. During
22:01
the dust storm in 2007,
22:03
one NASA scientist told a reporter,
22:06
the sun is a hundred times fainter than
22:08
normal. He said, we're
22:11
hoping for a big break in the storm soon, but
22:14
that's just a hope. Another
22:17
said, if Mars wants to
22:19
kill the rovers, it can. It
22:22
hit opportunity much harder than it hit
22:25
spirit, and I remember
22:28
telling myself, oh no, don't
22:31
die, opportunity, I love you too. Please
22:34
don't die. And so
22:37
we were so, so scared for it. It
22:39
was very tricky. We had to pretty much turn
22:42
off everything we could. And
22:45
after two weeks of really low
22:47
energy operations, the
22:50
sky started to clear. The
22:53
rovers made it through the storm. An
22:55
opportunity moved on to explore a
22:58
crater called Victoria. Jennifer
23:01
Herman remembers talking with scientists who
23:04
told her it was unlikely that
23:06
Mars would get another big dust storm for a
23:09
few years. She
23:11
started thinking about having a baby. At
23:13
this point, I was the lead
23:15
power engineer for both rovers. And
23:18
so I felt a lot of responsibility. You
23:21
know, the rovers are so vulnerable in the
23:23
winter, and they're
23:26
vulnerable in the summer if there's a
23:28
dust storm. Ah, but if there's not
23:30
going to be a dust storm in 2009, then
23:33
that's a really safe time to have a baby. So
23:36
I told my husband, there's this window
23:38
of four or five months in
23:41
early 2009, which is
23:43
Martian summer after
23:46
a dust storm in Earth winter. Let's
23:49
target those dates. And
23:51
he's like, okay. So
23:54
our daughter was born in
23:56
March of 2009. It was just perfect
23:58
timing. When
24:00
Jennifer came back from maternity leave, she
24:03
learned Spirit had gotten sick. They
24:06
showed me pictures. The surface of
24:08
Mars just looked like it always did.
24:10
It just looked like the ground, and there were rocks here
24:13
and there. It looked completely
24:15
safe. This was in
24:17
April, just after Jennifer's daughter was
24:19
born. Spirit
24:22
drove onto a hidden patch of soft
24:24
ground, and its wheels sank into
24:26
a layer of dust, spinning
24:29
its wheels, only made things worse.
24:33
Engineers tried for eight months to
24:35
get Spirit unstuck. We
24:37
would get all these letters from kids
24:40
who would tell us all the ways in which
24:42
we could try to
24:44
get it out. They'd come up with all these
24:47
creative ideas and how we could use the arm
24:49
to push up against and
24:51
try to kind of wedge it out, or
24:53
how we could try a different maneuver. Martian
24:57
winter was approaching. During
24:59
the winter, we actually had to find
25:01
parking spaces to tilt the rover to
25:03
point the solar panels towards the sun,
25:06
and that way
25:08
we could actually survive the winter. But
25:11
they couldn't tilt Spirit's solar panels toward the
25:13
sun from the spot it was stuck in,
25:17
and Spirit's battery was getting lower. We
25:20
would just communicate in beeps because
25:22
you want to really
25:25
make it succinct and
25:27
just know that the rover is still alive.
25:31
By the time I came back from maternity
25:33
leave, looking
25:37
at the energy forecast, they
25:39
had less and less energy to try to get
25:41
out each day. She was just stuck,
25:43
and we couldn't tilt her solar panels enough, and
25:45
so one day she just didn't get enough power
25:47
to keep herself warm. Eventually,
25:50
we have to
25:52
say, if it was alive
25:54
and could have talked to us, I would have by now.
26:01
NASA lost contact with Spirit on
26:03
March 22, 2010, after six years on Mars. When
26:11
Spirit died, did you start thinking
26:14
opportunity might be next? Uh,
26:18
no. No. Um,
26:21
I, I felt like opportunity was
26:23
a tough girl. She
26:26
had, you know, opportunity
26:28
had survived that big
26:31
dust storm. And so I
26:34
almost felt like it was
26:37
hard to imagine what could kill opportunity. When
26:41
we would start our planning meetings for the day,
26:43
it wasn't what are we going to do with the rover
26:45
for the day? It's what are we going to do today?
26:48
You know, the rover was just a member of the
26:50
team. You know, you're constantly
26:52
checking in on them, seeing how they're doing. Sometimes
26:55
they throw temper tantrums and you have to come in and
26:57
fix it. Or, you know,
26:59
sometimes things are smooth sailing and they find a
27:01
really cool thing and you feel just as, you
27:03
know, proud and as accomplished if you had your
27:05
own kid, you know, getting a good grade in school.
27:07
So it's, we definitely
27:09
got very attached. They
27:11
would send commands to the rover at the
27:13
beginning of the Martian day. Sometimes
27:16
it'll give us a little beep like, got it. The
27:18
rover would spend its day taking pictures
27:21
or looking at rocks or
27:23
driving towards a new closer. And
27:25
then before it went to sleep at night,
27:28
it would call Earth back. It
27:30
would go, hey, this is what I did
27:32
today and I'm going to go to
27:34
sleep now. Usually
27:36
on new Mars missions, for
27:38
the first few months, everyone works on
27:40
Mars time. And so
27:42
because Earth and Mars are spinning at different
27:44
speeds, the days can be really
27:47
out of sync. One day you come
27:49
in at 8 a.m. The next day you come in around 840 a.m.
27:52
The next time, 920. It goes
27:54
all the way around the clock. And
27:56
a lot of people describe it as constantly being
27:58
jet lagged because your jump is essentially
28:00
when time zone every day. I
28:03
personally liked it. I guess that means I'm a Martian
28:06
at heart. I don't know. When
28:08
we were doing Mars time operations, we'd
28:11
walk out and you look at
28:13
this thing and it's a small red
28:16
dot in the sky and you're like in
28:18
a few hours the commands I'm sending there's
28:21
a rover up there that
28:23
is going to be doing things based
28:26
on these instructions and that I think really
28:28
feels very unreal. You
28:30
let your brain kick
28:32
in and it's like well this is Mars
28:34
but you're so used to looking at
28:36
it and you're so familiar with everything.
28:40
It starts to feel like a place like
28:43
you're there. You look at
28:45
a picture that might be published somewhere
28:48
off of rock and you know exactly where it
28:50
is. You know exactly where it is
28:52
and I think that kind of thing both
28:55
feels very grounding
28:58
because you know these details and yet at
29:00
the same time it's a little surreal. Like
29:04
Vandy, Carrie wanted to be a driver
29:06
but her degree was
29:08
in meteorology and it
29:11
seemed like all the rover drivers had PhDs in
29:13
computer science or robotics. NASA
29:18
had landed another rover called Curiosity
29:21
and they had scientists working on an
29:24
even newer fancier one getting
29:26
it ready for launch. The
29:28
rover driver leads for opportunity came up to
29:30
me and said hey we're
29:33
having trouble finding new rover drivers for
29:35
opportunity. No one wants to come work
29:38
on the old half-broken rover so
29:40
do you want to learn how to drive a Mars
29:42
rover? I said well are you sure you really
29:44
want me? And they said yeah. Carrie
29:47
trained for about a year. We're
29:49
one of the few roles that can actually physically
29:51
break the rover so we
29:55
have to build that intuition of what are
29:57
safe rocks to be able to drive over. What
30:00
kind of terrain, you know, flip are
30:02
you going to get driving over this
30:04
terrain? Finally, she got
30:06
to send her first set of instructions
30:08
to Opportunity. She
30:10
remembers the day. It was Saul
30:12
5097. I
30:15
still think it was one of the coolest days. You know,
30:17
I got to move a robotic arm on
30:19
the surface of another planet. Opportunity
30:22
had traveled 28 miles and
30:24
broken the record for distance driven on
30:27
another planet. But
30:29
it was getting older. It had
30:31
been on Mars for more than 14 years. One
30:36
journalist wrote that Opportunity's team
30:39
was able to recognize the signs of
30:41
gray hairs, a failing
30:43
memory, the desire to nap, arthritis
30:46
in the robotic arm. Summer
30:50
was approaching and several years had passed
30:52
since the last big dust storm. We
30:55
don't know for certainty, but we are often
30:57
able to predict when there will be very
30:59
large massive dust storms. We
31:01
felt like we were due. Jennifer
31:04
Herman started worrying about storm season.
31:08
She watched the weather forecast closely. It
31:11
was late May. We had never seen
31:13
a big dust storm that early. We
31:15
had never seen even that little dust storms start
31:17
that early. That's really early. She
31:21
tried to meet with the team's dust
31:23
storm preparation lead, but
31:25
he was out of town. I was
31:27
like, oh, I'm sure it's fine. We'll
31:30
talk when you get back. There's
31:33
no way we'll have a storm that early. Famous
31:36
last words. On
31:40
May 30th, a Mars orbiter
31:42
spotted a dust storm forming near
31:45
Opportunity. It grew fast.
31:48
In a week, the newer rover on the other side
31:50
of the planet was seeing signs of it
31:52
too. I Was
31:54
driving curiosity and we too were impacted
31:57
by the dust storm and we could
31:59
see it. In our images. There
32:02
were a couple big dust storms and I
32:04
think they like merged and they were coming
32:06
and straight for opportunity. This. Was
32:08
the worst one we had ever seen and the
32:10
recorded history. Of Mars and.
32:13
It just completely blacked. Out the
32:15
sky you could not see the sun.
32:18
All we could really do is try
32:21
to. Ride. It out
32:23
likely did in two thousand and
32:25
seven you know, turn everything we
32:28
can. oss try to use the
32:30
battery as little as possible and
32:32
hope the. Storm's going to clear up
32:34
in a week or two. The. Problem
32:36
is the store and. Seems.
32:39
Is is kinda hang. Out over opportunity
32:42
when I talked. To one of
32:44
the Atmosphere scientists about it, six hundred
32:46
described it as a truck running over
32:48
opportunity and then backing up and running
32:50
over it again. And this is. Like sitting
32:52
on it. The. Storm
32:54
didn't clear up. Almost two
32:57
weeks went by. On
32:59
June tenth, the numbers. To a new
33:01
record. When. Opportunity Mister the
33:03
tell from the ground that day. It
33:06
was ten point eight
33:08
And that's crazy. Ten
33:10
point Eight. They'd.
33:12
Never seen the school just as dear. That.
33:16
Was a terrifying number. For me, I'm
33:18
I remember feeling sick to my
33:20
stomach when I heard that lists
33:23
and number. Jennifer.
33:26
Needed to calculate how much power
33:28
the Rover head. But
33:30
our tools weren't working because
33:33
just. The power coming off the solar.
33:35
I was so low because it was so
33:37
dusty. That I
33:39
couldn't calculate. To
33:42
Memphis people asking her sell
33:44
it looked and if opportunity
33:46
was okay so thanks So
33:48
eager to calculators. She
33:50
searched to improvise, doing the
33:52
calculations by hand, normally
33:56
it's opportunity head around four hundred
33:58
watt hours of energy In
34:01
the 2007 dust storm, the
34:03
lowest the energy from opportunities solar panels had
34:05
gotten was 128 watt hours. But
34:11
that day she calculated there were only
34:13
22 watt hours. That
34:18
number was part of Opportunity's
34:20
last message to NASA, which
34:23
basically translated as, my
34:25
battery is low and it's getting
34:27
dark. I
34:32
was just so proud of Opportunity,
34:34
just so amazed that
34:37
she was still able to call home. You
34:40
know, after a horrible day like that on Mars,
34:43
22 watt hours,
34:46
and then still call home and go, hey Earth, this
34:48
is what happened today. The
34:51
next day they didn't hear anything. We
34:55
started really trying hard to send commands
34:57
to the rover to hear back, but
35:00
we didn't hear anything. I
35:02
definitely had dreams that I could just go
35:04
there and brush the dust off the solar
35:06
panel myself. NASA
35:08
and JPL gave us a
35:10
little more time to listen
35:13
for her, hoping,
35:15
you know, just to go, hey,
35:17
this tough rover has been through a
35:19
lot and survived. Let's
35:22
give her the chance. You know, let's
35:25
have the respect for what she's done. As
35:28
we were coming up with it, what are all the ways that
35:30
we could wake up the rover? We
35:32
became a little superstitious. Maybe the rover wanted a
35:35
wake up song. It's
35:37
a great tradition that started because
35:39
of Mars time. As
35:41
the team would come in, of course you're on Mars
35:43
time, you're kind of groggy. Mars
35:46
would start the day with playing a wake
35:48
up song. And so
35:50
with Spirit and Opportunity having gone on
35:52
for so long, the tradition kind of
35:55
faded out. So we had this
35:57
big white board at JPL where...
36:00
Everybody would write down their recommendations for
36:02
wake-up songs. Like, almost like,
36:04
good luck. Like, hey, happy talk to us.
36:06
We played heavy metal. We played classical
36:09
music. We played Backstreet Boys. Dust
36:11
in the Wind by Kansas. You
36:13
know, we tried everything. We don't know what kind
36:16
of genre the group likes. Will
36:34
the Rovers wake up? Will
36:37
they ever communicate with Earth again? They
36:39
don't. The
36:52
towel equals 10.8 episode. My
36:56
name is Ben Washington. And last we
36:59
left, NASA and
37:01
JPL were trying everything to reach the
37:03
Rovers. The clock
37:05
is ticking. It
37:12
had been eight months since the last
37:14
time NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory had
37:16
heard from the rover Opportunity. By
37:19
February, we knew, February
37:22
2019, if we hadn't heard from her
37:25
going into winter now, then
37:27
we knew we weren't going to hear from her. NASA
37:30
kind of came back and said, all right, we're going to give you
37:32
two more weeks. You can do
37:34
whatever you want. Try and do what you
37:36
can. And this is
37:38
going to be the final ball. To
37:41
communicate with the Rovers, they had
37:43
to use NASA's antennas. Usually,
37:46
they could only use the antennas for an hour
37:48
a day for Opportunity. But
37:51
they started getting messages from other NASA
37:54
missions, offering to give up
37:56
time that they would use to talk to their
37:58
own spacecraft. We
38:03
would just send commands all morning
38:05
long through the early afternoon saying,
38:07
should have enough sunlight now, you
38:10
know, maybe 9 a.m., maybe 10
38:12
a.m., maybe 11 a.m., 1
38:15
p.m., let's just keep trying. We'd sit there and smash that
38:17
button every eight minutes.
38:19
And unfortunately never heard
38:22
anything. When
38:25
you think about it, there's three
38:27
ways you can go on Mars. You
38:30
could make a mistake, send
38:32
a bad command or drive off a cliff or
38:34
something, and that's not satisfying. You don't want to
38:36
be killing it because you made
38:39
a mistake. And another
38:41
way you could die is something breaks, you
38:43
know. And even though
38:46
they were only designed to last 90 sols, engineers
38:50
don't like to be responsible for it
38:52
breaking. And
38:54
then the third way is Mars could decide
38:56
it's your time to go. And
38:59
I think a Tau 10.8 death storm that
39:01
hangs out over you for six weeks is
39:04
Mars saying, you know, good job opportunity, but
39:06
you're done. I
39:11
think it was like a week before we
39:13
officially declared the end of mission. I
39:15
actually wouldn't got a tattoo on
39:18
my arm. So I have Tau equals 10.8 tattooed
39:21
to my arm as a memorial
39:23
for opportunity. There's
39:26
no one else walking around with Tau equals 10.8 on
39:29
their arm. The
39:34
last day they tried to wake up opportunity, dozens
39:37
of scientists that used to work with the
39:39
rovers came back and
39:41
gathered in the control room. The
39:44
very last time we tried to talk to
39:46
it, Steve
39:49
Squires chose the song. And it was important to
39:51
all of us that he chose
39:53
the song. Steve Squires had
39:56
been principal scientist for the entire
39:58
mission. And he picked them up. I'll
40:00
be seeing you and
40:04
oh there wasn't a dry eye It's
40:09
a beautiful song and a nice way to
40:11
say goodbye to Opie This
40:30
heart of mine is
40:32
amazing Before
40:42
either rover existed, Steve Squires had
40:44
spent 10 years trying to convince
40:47
NASA to build them He's
40:50
talked about what it was like when they
40:52
first launched them Quote,
40:56
you pour so much of yourself into these
40:58
machines, your hopes, your
41:00
aspirations, your dreams, your ambitions
41:03
You work with them and you bring them to
41:05
life slowly, laboriously And
41:08
you turn them from a concept into
41:11
these functioning, almost living sorts
41:13
of things And you
41:15
baby them, they're so important to
41:17
you Then
41:19
man, you strap it on top of a rocket
41:21
and you shoot it off into space And
41:24
it's as gone as anything's ever going
41:26
to be I
41:29
felt this emptiness,
41:31
this really powerful
41:34
loss when we
41:38
lost contact from opportunity And my
41:43
job is to check on opportunities health and
41:45
see how is the batteries, how
41:48
is the energy, what's the projection And
41:51
it's kind of like a blend of
41:54
feeling like you're feeding your pet in a
41:56
way You know, like having power almost
41:59
feels like having power food. And so
42:03
I checked on this
42:05
robot, you
42:08
know, millions of miles away. It was
42:13
far away, but it was part of my daily life.
42:17
And so, well, it wasn't there to
42:19
check on anymore. I
42:22
missed it. On
42:26
February 13, 2019,
42:29
NASA announced that the mission was over.
42:33
People started sending flower arrangements. There
42:36
were so many deliveries, Carrie Bean
42:38
says, the whole operations floor was
42:41
covered in flowers. It
42:43
was 14 years, which is still quite incredible
42:46
to think of. I don't
42:48
think I ever thought of any drive
42:51
as the last. And maybe it's something
42:53
like, you
42:55
know, even if you know somebody who
42:58
might be getting up there in their years,
43:03
unless it's a situation like
43:05
a dire situation, you
43:07
rarely ever think it's the last. I
43:09
think we always hope
43:11
for the next soul. They
43:19
still don't know what it was that killed
43:22
Opportunity. People say it was
43:24
probably the cold, maybe a broken
43:26
antenna. And we just will never really know
43:29
until we send astronauts there to take a look at her.
43:33
What did we learn about Mars
43:35
that we didn't know before
43:38
Spirit and Opportunity? Yeah,
43:43
with Spirit and Opportunity, they left
43:45
a legacy of showing that Mars
43:47
used to be a habitable planet.
43:49
We still don't know if life actually existed there or
43:51
not, but Spirit and Opportunity has
43:54
set the stage of we may
43:56
not be the only life that's existed in our
43:58
solar system. Do you
44:01
think that it's true that someday,
44:04
maybe it's not 10 years from now, but
44:06
that people will be living on Mars?
44:10
I sure hope so. I think it'd
44:12
be really cool to expand beyond our
44:14
planet. What I really hope
44:17
happens is that when we finally send humans
44:19
to Mars, that we
44:21
make essentially a national park
44:24
for the rovers that a
44:26
lot of people are like, oh, you know, can't wait
44:28
to bring them home. This is not their home.
44:30
Mars is their home. And so
44:32
what I would love to see is a memorial
44:34
park, you know, where the rovers finally
44:36
are in like a nice little museum
44:38
dome in their final position right
44:41
there. Don't move them. And
44:43
actually make a walking trail of
44:46
where all they explore on Mars with little
44:48
plaques of like this particular rock is where
44:50
they found evidence of this. I
44:53
think that would be the best way to honor
44:55
the legacy of Mars exploration. Today,
44:58
Carrie Bean is working on a commercial
45:00
space plane that looks like a space
45:02
shuttle. Vandy Verma is
45:04
working on the Mars 2020 mission,
45:07
which consists of the newest rover on Mars
45:10
and a Mars helicopter. Jennifer
45:13
Herman is working on the new rovers too
45:16
and the Voyager spacecraft, which
45:19
are now farther into space than anything
45:21
has ever gone before. It's
45:24
a childhood dream. You
45:28
probably won't believe me when I tell you I actually don't
45:30
cry that much. But
45:34
yeah, I can't tell you how lucky I feel to
45:37
be part of the Voyager team.
45:40
Just the last question. How old
45:43
is your daughter now? Oh,
45:45
she's 14. She just started high school. Is
45:48
she into Mars? Oh,
45:50
yeah, it's home. Her
45:54
dream is to learn more about black holes
45:56
and dark matter and energy. She,
45:58
uh, I remember. she was maybe a
46:01
third or fourth grader and she
46:03
came downstairs for breakfast and she looks really
46:05
tired and I'm like you didn't sleep
46:07
well are you feeling okay and
46:10
she said I couldn't sleep because it
46:12
just bothered me to learn
46:15
that the universe is made up of
46:17
all this dark matter and energy and
46:19
we know almost nothing about it how
46:21
can that be and I'm like well
46:24
there's unknown things that maybe you can work on
46:26
she's like hmm I should do that that
46:47
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