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1:02

You listen to spooked? Stay

1:05

tuned. From

1:11

luminary, you've crossed

1:13

over to spooked.

1:24

Okay. So I

1:25

recently drew caution to the wind,

1:28

and I went to Vegas to hang

1:30

up with some friends, I don't often get

1:32

to see a lot in the

1:34

garage. my boys back

1:36

in the day. And one

1:38

of the reasons I love reunions and people

1:40

haven't seen it forever because

1:43

We get to relive the stories.

1:45

The stories we share, stories I seriously

1:47

believe myself anymore.

1:51

Did we

1:51

really go down into that tunnel on Japan?

1:54

If I'm making that up

1:56

and didn't have the confirmation Yeah.

1:59

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You

1:59

were the one passing out those

2:01

hats we got from the mafia guys. Don't you

2:03

remember? And we'll laugh,

2:06

the laugh, and

2:07

laugh some more and just

2:09

hearing it from someone else, someone back

2:11

there to win. As I know,

2:15

No. I'm not in saying yet as wild as that

2:17

was, it actually went down. And

2:21

it strikes me even now. that

2:24

so often I still don't trust

2:26

what I see. Don't

2:28

trust what I hear. Instead,

2:31

I think no. No.

2:33

This couldn't. I must be

2:35

confused, intoxicated,

2:38

lose it. So

2:40

many times, I was there

2:42

someone else sitting in the corner to say

2:44

no, bra.

2:46

No.

2:51

I see it too.

2:56

will start. Now

3:43

What does it take to make

3:45

you trust your own eyes? We

3:48

begin with man. Matt

3:50

was seeking peace and solitude when he

3:52

moved into his own place. Peace.

3:56

That was easy to come by. But

3:59

solitude,

4:01

That's another story.

4:04

I

4:04

should let you know this story does contain graphic

4:07

imagery and descriptions of violence. since

4:09

the listeners are advised. I'll

4:12

let Matt take it from here.

4:16

Spooked.

4:44

So the

4:44

the year is nineteen ninety

4:47

six. And I'm twenty

4:49

two years old and I'm living in

4:52

a town called Edge Bastien in

4:54

Bermingham, England.

4:58

I'm living in the top floor of a

5:01

house The

5:03

house is one

5:05

of your your typical Victorian three

5:07

story red brick terrorist

5:09

house. probably been

5:12

built around the

5:14

mid to late eighteen hundreds. My

5:17

bedroom had a window on left side

5:19

of the house as you look from the street and

5:22

that overlooked the park and the and the church

5:24

and looked down the road going towards

5:27

the city.

5:42

It just felt very welcoming

5:45

and at days in the flat. and

5:47

you could put that down to that being the

5:49

first time that I'd been living

5:51

by myself.

5:55

And so it was an exciting,

5:58

exciting time I was

5:59

looking forward to just

6:02

being in charge of myself.

6:07

It was a weekend. It was either a a Saturday

6:10

or a Sunday, but weekends were

6:12

never very busy for me.

6:15

It was almost a typical

6:17

English you know, still

6:19

gray sky, very cloudy,

6:21

and it was drizzling.

6:22

I

6:28

sat back on the on the sofa sitting

6:32

with my back to the window.

6:36

And I had my incense sticks

6:39

on the go as well because that always

6:41

seems to to fit with me for that

6:43

that type of a great,

6:45

rainy, peaceful

6:46

day.

6:56

My eyes closed the music coming through

6:58

the stereo.

7:05

And I was I was

7:08

very relaxed.

7:14

But as I relaxed, it

7:17

felt like there was somebody

7:19

there.

7:23

It felt like they were sitting on

7:25

the other part of the l shaped couch

7:28

listening to music with me enjoying

7:31

what I was enjoying.

7:37

But I opened my eyes and there wasn't anyone

7:39

there.

7:45

but I didn't think

7:47

anything of it. I just thought it was

7:50

whatever dopamine was going

7:52

through. My head being

7:55

so relaxed and listening to the music, then

7:57

that's what I was

7:59

projecting.

8:04

After that first time, it started to

8:06

happen more and more.

8:15

But whenever I did

8:17

feel that, you know, that there was nothing physical

8:19

that you could point

8:22

out or that someone sat on that

8:24

sofa because that that

8:26

part of the seat has has been

8:28

pushed down. Oh,

8:31

I can hear breathing. It was

8:34

almost something in the air. almost

8:39

a warmth of

8:41

somebody who who just wants to be

8:44

there and enjoy what you're enjoying

8:46

and make sure you've got got

8:48

some company. That's that's how it felt.

8:59

So

9:01

I had two kittens that were probably

9:03

the year old One

9:08

was Peggy's suicide, and the other one

9:10

was called Chelopech Perkinjeen, and they were

9:12

they were both named after Julian

9:14

hope album and

9:17

and song. And

9:19

these two kittens, of course, they were during

9:22

the they're flat and they're very playful.

9:24

I used play fetch with them.

9:32

But every so often, they

9:35

would both stop and

9:37

stare at something across

9:40

the wall and they would look

9:42

at something at one point in the

9:45

on the wall and then follow it around the

9:47

room.

9:58

And

10:01

I tried very hard to see what they were

10:03

watching, but whenever they did it,

10:05

there was no No flies.

10:08

There was no no light shining

10:10

onto the onto the wall, but they were

10:12

very definitely watching something

10:14

together. Their head would heads would move around

10:16

the room.

10:19

And

10:23

they they kept doing this, and so

10:26

after a while when I

10:28

saw them do it, so I used to say stop watching

10:30

the ghost. But

10:33

that was just me

10:36

making myself love thinking that was

10:38

something so ridiculous.

10:48

So I've been living at the

10:50

flat four about a year and

10:52

a half. And

10:55

I was I was perfectly happy

10:57

in the flat, but I decided

11:00

to move out purely just to

11:02

save some money.

11:10

a friend of a friend who was renting

11:12

in a house and they needed someone to

11:14

to rent with him. And I just thought, oh,

11:16

it'd be company, and I'll I'll save

11:18

on the rent and the bills, have more

11:21

money for going out and buying records.

11:26

My landlord used to come around every month

11:28

to collect the rent and

11:30

I'd I'd given him my month's rent and and

11:33

told him I'd be moving out the following month.

11:42

And when a dad is at it's it's

11:44

very strange, you know. Because

11:47

as of all the the places

11:49

that I own,

11:51

this is the only place

11:53

where people don't

11:56

tend to stay more than a

11:58

couple of months, sometimes

12:01

weeks, and so it's very strange

12:03

that you've been here for a

12:06

year and a half.

12:09

did say to him, but why has nobody

12:11

ever stayed here for

12:14

more than couple of months and he said, I

12:16

don't know. It's just an an outlier.

12:24

So in the final week that I

12:26

was going to move out, I

12:28

started

12:30

getting ready for bed.

12:36

So I fed the the cuts

12:39

as normal, put everything

12:41

away. I did my usual,

12:43

you know, washing routine brushing

12:46

my teeth, getting changed, throwing

12:48

my clothes on the on the floor and

12:51

hopping into bed.

13:00

I looked over towards the bedroom

13:04

window, and I saw

13:06

the moonlight coming through the window.

13:14

It was a very clear

13:17

night, but I noticed that The

13:20

light was almost misty.

13:28

And so I turned my head to the left a

13:30

bit looking at the

13:32

wardrobe. And

13:37

as I stared at the wardrobe, this

13:38

misty

13:41

light, it started

13:43

to form into a shape.

13:46

And

13:54

the shape that began to form was that

13:56

of a young woman?

14:09

Probably, late teens early

14:12

early twenties. Her hair

14:14

I noticed was

14:16

long and sleek and and black

14:18

it's it's odd because

14:20

the shadow or the the darkness made

14:23

it look as if her hair was

14:25

very shiny and that that is one of

14:27

the things that stood out that she looked

14:29

like an attractive young woman.

14:38

come quite certain she

14:39

had a a longish skirt

14:41

or a dress on.

14:44

I didn't want to run. I I

14:47

don't think I felt scared. I didn't feel

14:49

threatened. I just wanted to see this

14:51

image form and think, well, what

14:53

on earth is going on.

15:05

Is this part of my imagination?

15:08

Is it the moonlight? But at the same time,

15:10

it was definite person

15:12

formed out of dark

15:14

shadow and white mist.

15:22

almost like a a negative image.

15:27

and she stood

15:30

by this wardrobe door looking

15:34

directly at me. expressionless.

15:45

And just as

15:47

I began to acknowledge

15:49

to myself. I'm seeing

15:51

something that I really shouldn't

15:53

be seeing.

15:55

She started to move

15:58

towards bed.

16:04

She may have been floating. She may have walking,

16:07

but I was I wasn't watching the feet.

16:09

I was looking at her face. And

16:11

she

16:11

came closer and closer to the bed.

16:16

as she got right next to

16:19

the bed, she

16:22

began to

16:23

lean over towards my face.

16:28

and that's when I began

16:30

to get scared.

16:38

I thought, well, this seems very real

16:40

now, and I don't know what's going to happen. She

16:43

just got close and closer and then

16:46

started bending over. It's

16:51

the motion of a mother standing

16:54

the side of a bed wanting to kiss a child good

16:56

night. But

17:01

I didn't let it get

17:03

that far because my overriding

17:05

fear then took over.

17:13

I just dove into the covers and

17:15

just lay there in

17:17

in fear waiting for

17:20

something to happen.

17:26

I lay there. for

17:28

probably about two hours

17:31

just for the the covers pulled

17:33

over my head.

17:37

I didn't want to go to sleep. I just thought I'll

17:39

lie here and wait to see what happens,

17:42

but nothing did happen. And eventually,

17:45

my body just took over and

17:47

I went to sleep.

17:59

I worked at the following day and there

18:02

was there was nothing in the room.

18:05

And

18:06

was initially scared

18:10

when I I woke up.

18:13

but very quickly,

18:16

I I thought, well, I

18:18

must have been seeing things. Whatever

18:20

I all wasn't real and

18:22

I just put it down to being

18:25

tired. And

18:28

so for a week, I

18:30

didn't I didn't think about it. That

18:34

final week came and went and I

18:37

moved out of the out of the flat.

18:46

I'd been moved out about two

18:49

or three weeks, and it

18:51

was the winter's evening.

18:53

It was it was dark. And

18:56

my father had had come over to

18:58

where is now living, and he was

19:00

picking me up so we could go back to

19:03

my parents' house.

19:05

And so the journey took us

19:07

past my old flat.

19:15

As we're driving

19:18

past week, we both look up because,

19:20

you know, most houses are in darkness,

19:23

but the window to

19:26

my flat had a lighter.

19:30

And so as we as

19:32

we look at the the light that's on,

19:35

but father says, looks like

19:38

somebody's moved into your

19:40

your old place already.

19:44

And

19:46

that's when I thought I was joking

19:48

and said, well, it's either

19:51

that or It's the ghost.

19:58

And that's when he

20:00

looked at me

20:02

quite seriously. And

20:06

he said, are you being

20:08

serious. He

20:11

just joking. Well,

20:14

don't know? Something might have happened.

20:16

Why?

20:23

So that's when he pull

20:25

the car over to the side of the road and

20:28

turn the engine off. And

20:32

turned to look at me

20:34

and

20:35

that's when

20:37

my heart sort of sank because I

20:39

thought, well, something's something's

20:42

up.

20:44

And he said, look,

20:47

if something's happened, then

20:49

you need to tell me. And

20:52

I said, well, possibly,

20:55

you know, I was still in the almost

20:58

denial stage at that time. but

21:02

I recounted everything that

21:04

I could remember to my dad.

21:16

About the the cats looking

21:20

at nothing around the room,

21:23

about feeling of a presence, and

21:26

of course, the night that I saw

21:29

this young woman

21:33

and and this to go describe exact

21:36

what she looks like.

21:38

So I I described how

21:41

she looked, what she was wearing, and

21:43

the the thing that stood out was

21:46

her long shiny black

21:49

hair.

21:57

And as I said that his

21:59

response was Yes.

22:03

That's her.

22:13

What do you mean? That's that's her.

22:16

And he said, well, I

22:18

didn't wanna tell you anything. And You

22:22

mother didn't want to tell you either because we didn't

22:24

want to worry you.

22:27

But the flat that you've

22:29

lived in something has

22:31

happened there.

22:39

and then he told me that the

22:41

story of the neighbor of my grandmother.

22:49

Her neighbors had a a

22:51

teenage daughter. who

22:54

was eighteen or nineteen.

22:59

And one

23:01

New Year's Eve, she went back

23:03

to your flat. She

23:06

went back with somebody

23:08

who she worked with who was much older than

23:10

her.

23:14

and

23:17

on New Year's Day.

23:22

He

23:22

murdered her

23:25

in

23:25

your flat.

23:34

And when the police found her, one

23:37

of the things I remarked upon was

23:40

how long and shiny

23:42

her hair was because she had

23:44

not long got out of the bath.

23:49

I

23:49

just sat there, shot.

24:02

And I'm overcome

24:04

with this wave of Oh my god.

24:07

Everything

24:09

that's happened in in that

24:11

place. It's gone from things

24:15

that you thought were in your

24:17

own mind, things that you

24:19

could explain away,

24:21

suddenly all of

24:23

that becomes turned

24:26

on its head and it's it's all

24:28

very real.

24:32

We just sat there for

24:35

five minutes just so I could gather

24:37

my composure.

24:43

And then we started driving

24:45

back to my parents house

24:48

I think for most of the journey, I was

24:51

I was just trying to relive

24:53

everything that had happened

25:04

So when I was

25:06

listening to music and I felt there was a presence

25:08

there. I thought, well,

25:10

was she sitting in the

25:13

flat

25:14

with me? Was she

25:17

listening to the music with me?

25:23

I was very peaceful. Was

25:26

that why I was allowed to stay at the flat

25:28

for so long?

25:31

But when I look back, It

25:34

was obvious that she didn't mean

25:36

me any harm. It

25:40

wasn't like she was trying

25:42

to scare me off. And

25:44

when she got to the the

25:46

bed, if I'd have been

25:48

braver at the time. I'd have

25:51

I'd have just waited there to see what happened

25:53

because it was

25:55

it almost seems

25:58

certain that she just wanted

25:59

to lean over and and kiss

26:02

me goodnight. I

26:04

thought maybe because it was

26:06

my final week that

26:08

she was making herself known and saying

26:11

saying goodbye. I

26:13

I don't think I I told anyone

26:15

else for for

26:18

a long time.

26:32

Many years later, it was maybe

26:35

two thousand and seven,

26:38

I started work at a

26:40

company where I was a software tester.

26:46

And then we employed Chapi who was

26:48

working in my department doing the same

26:51

job as me. And

26:55

so we're having a good conversation

26:57

at work one day. And

26:59

there was a horror

27:02

movie that had come out, I can't remember

27:04

the name of which horror movie it was.

27:07

And so we start talking

27:09

about these. The horror movies that

27:11

we've seen in her

27:13

childhood. And

27:16

then he says, I must tell you

27:18

about this experience I had one time.

27:27

And he was

27:28

telling me back in the

27:31

1980s. He was living in

27:33

a flat by himself. He

27:36

said he'd he'd gone to bed one night.

27:42

And during

27:44

the night, had the sensation that somebody

27:47

was strangling him.

27:55

And he was about to fight

27:57

off whoever it was but he opened

27:59

his eyes and there was nobody there.

28:05

And he's he's

28:08

said it was in when he lived in the flat in Birmingham.

28:12

So I just thought, okay. Where's where's

28:14

this flat in Birmingham? And it's obviously

28:16

an edge busting.

28:20

Okay. Where

28:22

about was this? And so he

28:24

told me of the road. It was

28:26

the same road.

28:30

And the the house and it was

28:32

the same house and it was the same

28:35

flat.

28:47

I think I'd sat there for a minute,

28:49

taken it in and he

28:52

probably wonders what the hell is he just

28:54

staring. And

28:57

of course, I'd recounted what happened

28:59

to me.

29:03

And, yeah,

29:05

of course, this had a very

29:08

shocked reaction into that.

29:18

At the

29:18

time, I didn't

29:20

question why he'd

29:23

had a bad experience and

29:25

and I I'd had a good one.

29:28

But as we got to know

29:31

each other, he he told me that when

29:34

he was younger, he had a bit more

29:36

of a a older lifestyle,

29:39

I guess.

29:42

I think he had some a bit of a dependency

29:44

with with alcohol for a while.

29:55

In the news article, it said

29:57

that

29:57

the chap who

30:00

had murdered her. He initially

30:03

hit her with a cider

30:05

bottle.

30:07

So

30:09

maybe there was an alcohol collection

30:11

there that she she didn't like.

30:13

if

30:22

she was stuck in the stuck in that

30:24

flat, then she'd I guess she'd

30:26

wanna be stuck with someone who

30:28

wasn't going to make her her

30:30

time there, a misery, and

30:33

maybe

30:34

my presence there was somebody she could get

30:36

on with, which was what I was allowed to.

30:38

or

30:39

felt like I was allowed to live

30:41

there for so long.

30:42

And

30:51

I did think at at the time, did

30:53

she realize that her neighbor

30:55

was my grandmother.

31:00

And that there was that connection there, maybe

31:04

that's what she felt

31:06

when I moved into the house, perhaps

31:10

that was well,

31:12

I saw her action as she did on that final

31:15

week when I saw a lien over the bed.

31:17

Perhaps that was a a thank

31:19

you and a kiss goodbye.

31:27

About a month ago, I was

31:29

recanting that story to my neighbors

31:31

because the the topic had gone to that sort

31:33

of thing. Can they ask me, well, did you

31:36

research the the story?

31:39

and

31:39

it got me thinking that in maybe

31:42

two thousand, two thousand and

31:44

five, I'd had a a look

31:46

on the internet, but I couldn't really find anything.

31:48

But was a long time ago, so

31:51

I thought I'd go onto the Internet and

31:53

see if there was anything I could find out.

31:59

And a lot

32:02

of articles came back straight away.

32:09

The first

32:11

one I saw was a

32:13

photo of the girl.

32:16

And of course, a

32:19

picture shows her a

32:21

long dark hair.

32:24

And as well as that, it also

32:26

showed a picture

32:29

of the plateau left in with the

32:31

light on.

32:46

As as soon as I saw the photo,

32:49

my heart sank and my heart raced

32:51

at the same at the same time.

32:54

seen her actual picture for the

32:57

first time. I got

32:59

a real sense of who she was.

33:05

Before the land of who she was, it

33:08

was just an experience.

33:14

Since

33:16

learning a name, then

33:19

I don't forget it. It's like she's

33:21

always there. with me now.

33:29

I do often think should

33:32

I go and knock on the door of

33:34

that house and see

33:36

if they'd be open to me

33:38

going upstairs? the

33:42

and speak to the ghost of a girl

33:44

that lives in the flat.

33:45

I'd

33:51

ask her if I could contact any

33:54

relatives and, of course, I'd

33:56

apologize for being a a total coward

33:58

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