In this episode, Sharon and I reflect upon and explore how we feel about doing this work, our conversation includes the following touchpoints:

• we don't want to do this forever, so we approach this work with caution, race and racism are part of my life, not my passion, and constantly weighing up whether this is going to wipe me out, this work takes something from you
• What was our resistance to undertaking this work?
  Is this work the only thing I think about
• Race and racism  - is not the only thing I think about, am I in denial about these painful aspects of my life?
  We have witnessed awful experiences for trainers undertaking this work we aren't talking about ourselves.
  It's our lived experience and personal (the material)
  We are role models for black brown and white participants.
  What do black practitioners get out of anti-racist training?
  Separate spaces are needed for participants.
  We need to protect participants who are sharing harrowing stories.
  We need to honour those painful stories
  what do white participants bring of themselves to the training space?
  What stories could they admit in separate spaces?
  What are the critical conversations for white people?
  What impact do two black trainers have on a mixed group?
  How are white trainers challenging their inherent racism?
• the need for white-only spaces will be]enable discussion of epiphanies, which can often be waring and burdensome for black participants, there is a need for honesty
• What are the issues for us as black trainers: should we be doing this training, often told  'You're the experts', What does that even mean?
  As educators inevitably we water down the material, consequently do we lose aspects of our integrity?
• Leaders tend to want step-by-step answers to anti-racist practice.  Change comes from deep introspection, not a list, there needs to be some sweating and self-challenge involved.   
  There is value in exploring social graces, it's a start.
  What does allyship mean?
  What can we as trainers do for ourselves?
  Are you ready for that?
• Moving forward;
• Offer colleagues space for proper training, courses, and workshops.
• Proper developmental spaces to further develop, grow and strengthen as anti-racist educators and trainers.
• See what interest is out there for this offer
• and the need for writing 

Ref's, all available in audio books :-)

Black Fatigue -  How Racism Erodes the Mind, Body, and Spirit by Mary-Frances Winters (2020) 

Living while Black - by Guilaine Kinouani (2021)

How to be an Antiracist - by Ibram X Kendi (2019)

What white people can do next - by Emma Dabiri ( 2021)

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