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Lanserline. Here's Safti and dud All. Right, here we go. We're

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Our NFL Draft experts from NFL Network Lance Zerline. Lance, How are you

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fell I'm doing well. How you guys doing today? I'm good. Are

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you kind of getting ready for this thing to be over? Or if somebody

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came to you and said, hey, we can give you an extra month if you want before the draft, we can give no no, No,

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I've got I've got so many interviews now that I've got I got a fly

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to La on Sunday, and I'm doing TV for six straight days. Not

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to mention, I've got to rewatch these players to remind myself who they are.

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I think I told you guys that last week, so you know,

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it's really I just got to watch tape on about I'll probably cut it to

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about three hundred players over the next Uh yeah, yeah, it's gonna be

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impossible. Actually still, I'm not even sure how I'm gonna do it,

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but uh yeah, I've got tremendous amounts of work this week, next week,

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and then articles afterwards. So no, I don't want to wait another

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month. Well that's why, that's why you get paid the big bucks pal

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to join us and talk about this stuff on the show. And Mike Florio

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was with us about an hour and a half ago, and I asked him,

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can we lock in the Commanders and Jayden Daniels at number two in your

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opinion what he's saying? He said yes, and then he gave us like

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fifteen different caveats and I forgot them all. Yeah, I was gonna say,

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I'm not locking anybody in any other than one. I mean, I'm

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I'm gonna keep putting them there in my mock draft. I've done it.

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I've done it in all three, so I'm not gonna change. But I

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don't know that you lock anybody in right there at number two. I don't

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you know. I still think JJ McCarthy is potentially in play there, So

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I'm not I'm not locking anything in just yet. Well, the betting odds

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have Jayden Daniels pulling away from from Drake May for what for that? What's

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that worth? But what about Drake May is scaring people off because he was

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the presumptive number two for a long long time behind Caleb Williams. I don't

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know that anything's scared. You know what's scaring him off? Tape ye watching

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him. I mean, the people who were saying he was a presumptive number

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two were just media people who'd been saying that from the end of the season

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last year, and they just never updated anything because they don't really have a

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chance to get in and really watch it close, and so it's just easier

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just say Caleb and Drake, Caleb and Drake. But I remember I put

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the tape on I finished watching Drake Man, like, my goodness, there's

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some mess. It's kind of a mess here in certain instances. And I

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put a tweet out just saying, why is Drake May the the automatic QB

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too? I said, I'm kind of curious why that is still going on?

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And boy, I got killed on that one by actually by commanders fans

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because they had kind of convinced themselves that he was going to be the guys.

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They were really selling themselves on him. Now it's now it's they've sold

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themselves on Jayden Daniels. So I get it. Fan bases have to be

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okay with who they think their quarterback is going to be. But listen, Drake May is not. He doesn't throw a great time, he does throw

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it with good touch, and right now I think he needs another He would

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have benefited from another year in college. And I think wherever he goes,

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sitting that first year, at least for most of the first year, would

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be really would benefit his growth and development. Hey, let me ask you

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about a guy that's kind of getting talked about a little bit here in Seattle.

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Is it Cooper? Is it dejon As? I hate to say his

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last name. Kid from Iowa, who makes a lot of waves because he's

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a white cornerback and you don't see that very often now in the NFL.

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So when you see this kid play in Iowa's defense was just nails. Obviously

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a year ago. And the Hawks may have a need at corner depending on

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what they think of Tarik willand long term. What do you make of this kid man? Well, you know, actually he kind of fits what the

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Hawks do defensively. He's he is a tough run defender. He will come

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up and hitch and tackle you. He's got linked, he's got long speed,

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He's got some instincts. He can play, you know, the type of cover three looks if you want to do that. He can play cover

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corners a quarter or other. I you know, he's okay in man,

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not great. I think you know. It's it's kind of funny. You

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talk to different teams, and some teams see him as a corner and you

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keep them at corner, and some teams see him as a transition to safety. I think everyone sees him as a good football player. I think he's

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a good player. I don't I don't know that I have him with the

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same great tag that some people have him with the first round grade. I

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think I think at corner he has a chance to be pretty good. At

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safety, he's got a chance to be a lot better because I think it

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allows him to play down hill a lot more, playing less, you know,

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reactive football, opening the hips, having to sprint, change directions,

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change speeds, and coverage. I'd kind of like for him to play downhill

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physically, cover safety some, I mean, cover tight end, some,

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cover slot receivers some and just you know, troll around the line of scrimmage

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and and bust up running games. So however you use him, I think

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he's going to be a pretty good player. But I think deciding whether he's

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a corner or a safety it's going to be important. But you know,

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it's it's an interesting discussion, and it's one that NFL teams and NFL people

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will have because you know, it is a it is a rarity. Now.

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The other another white corner that's in the league now is his teammate from

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Iowa, Riley Moss, who came out last year, so you know that's

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back to back years. Riley was drafted by didver h Cooper de John is

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coming out with with a little bit more Fanfare was a very good tester an

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athlete, so you know, it's it'll be interesting if we start seeing a

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change where for years we had you know, black quarterbacks. Warn Moon famously

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from from you dub who had to go to the Canadian League, and I

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grew up with him as my favorite player with the Houston Oilers. And now,

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of course that that dimension has changed, It'll be interesting if teams at

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youth level start saying, hey, let's not move this guy to slot receiver

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or you know, tight end or whatever or quarterback. Let's play him a

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corner. Let's let's let's let a good football player be a good football player.

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And that's what Dejohn is. Weekly conversation with Lance Zerline. Lance.

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The twenty twenty one draft is the last time we saw this quarterback top heavy

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Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance with one, two, three, Fields

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and Mac Jones were in the top fifteen. How do you like this crop

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overall compared to how you like that crop? I actually have actually have a

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little better grade. Well, okay, so I had a big grade on

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Trevor Lawrence. I'm still waiting for the fan out. I had a boombus

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grade on zach On zach On zach Wi a six point five. I got

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the same six point five on Drake May. I had a plus grade on

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Trey Lance. I really thought that he would work out well, and I

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think I got some pretty good intel from Bobby Slowik, who is his OC

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or, yeah, his OC in San Francisco now the offense coordinator of course

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in Houston, who just talked about an injury he tried to play through that

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really ended up it really ended up slowing down his progress and maybe doing some

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damage to him that we'll see. We'll see how he recovers mentally from from

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the difficulties he had. But I didn't think that was a great class.

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I thought Justin Fields was good, but I had some questions about him.

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I thought mac Jones was the second round pick. I look at this one

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and I actually think this one's a little bit deeper. To be honest with

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you, I think it's I think the top six in this one would have

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been better than the top six in that one. Maybe not as good at

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number one with Trevor Lawrence, but I think once you get to just the

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meat of two through five, I kind of like this as a little bit

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better well, land Zerline again is with us from the NFL Network. Curtison,

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we're friends at Moss Bay Hall. And I think your your last mock

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draft, you had brock Bauers going ten to the Jets. The draft you

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put out before that, I think you had him going to the Colts at

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fifteen if I'm not mistaken, If I am correct me, So you got

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to move it up a little bit. But Dick and I are kind of

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dreaming about him being there at sixteen, and three weeks ago you had him

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at fifteen. So is brock Bauers going up? And should we even dream

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for a second about him being there at number sixteen? Well, like seven

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weeks ago, my very first mock draft, I had him with the Bengals in like eighteen or nineteen. Wow, Okay, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

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get your hopes up. He's going up and up. You know the reason

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I'm doing that. It's hard to place a tight end in any draft.

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And this is not a typical tight end in the sense that he's not six

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four and a half to six six, he's not two hundred and fifty pounds.

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He's pretty average as a blocker to be honest with you. So the

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size, when you see his body composition, it's not that impressive. When

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you watch him on tape, he is a tremendous run after catch threat.

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He is very very stable with his hands, he's extremely competitive, and he

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just makes a ton of explosive plays. And so you know, it doesn't

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really fit the profile physically. He didn't have the physical box checking going on

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for even a first round tight end typically. But then the production, the

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production in the sec the run after catches is kind of special, and you

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start to run through who the tight ends are this year, and after last

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year's incredible class, this year is a pretty soft class, and you realize,

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okay, then if you really want to get somebody who can make a

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difference, he's going to have to be the guy. I think when you

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add everything up and then you look at some of the teams like the really

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the Jets have fine tuned some holes that they had on the offensive line,

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they could still draft tackle. But Aaron Rodgers. I tried to think like

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the Jets, and I said, well, we ma only have Aaron Rodgers one year. Let's give him everything that we possibly can to try to win

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this year. Since we didn't get him last year, and that would include

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adding another weapon into the fold. So that's why I have a hard time.

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You know, I don't know that he gets past the Colts at fifteen. Who would love to have another target and one that would be you know,

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I would think he'd be a favorable one for a young quarterback like Anthony

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Richardson. So I just have a hard time believing he gets to sixteen.

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Lance the trio of pass rushers Jared Verus, Dallas Turner, Leaatu Latu.

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Maybe compare those three and are they way beyond what we saw last year with

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Will Anderson and his draft? Are they somewhat close to his talent level?

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No? I think Will Anderson is ahead of those guys for different for different

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reasons, Will Will is so Will from a body type standpoint, is going

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to be better than you know, He's longer than Jared Verse, he is

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going to be He's not quite as skilled as a rusher. He's a skilled

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rusher, but lat two, as I've mentioned before in this show, is

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as skilled as I've seen coming out of college. But he's a better athlete.

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He's more intense and physical than Dallas Turner. So when you add everything

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up. Will Anderson is just he's got production, he's got the athletic traits,

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he's got the physicality, he's got the mentality right, and all those

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guys. You know, I think Jared Versus is the one who comes closest

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to it. He is a dog, he's tough, he's physical, he's

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explosive. He can stop you in a run game, he can attack you

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in the passing game. He's just not as slick with with finding ways to

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get around offensive tackles a lot to is just not the athlete, and he's

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got the you know, the injury background, but from a skill standpoint,

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in his hands he's ridiculous, just not quite as much juice. And then

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Dallas Turner's got all the juice in the world. He's got length, but

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he's not as physical at the point of attack stopping to run, So there's

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different. You know, Jared Versus is my favorite of that group, but

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I think Dallas Turner goes first, probably just because from physical traits standpoint,

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which a lot of teams look for high weight speed lengths. He's pretty freaky.

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What about Jonah Ellis from Utah as an edge rusher. Later on we

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We saw him play against Washington and he really didn't do anything against Washington,

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but they had a great offensive line with guys like Rosen Garden and Fatanu.

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So I don't how much you judge that game, but what are you making

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the kid from Utah? Well, honestly, you just answered one of one

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of the questions that I had too is well, but you know he played,

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he played against a good offensive line like Rosen Garden and okay, say

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the last name centerl screw Troy Ftanu, but Fanu. Okay, yeah,

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I don't have to Tom Troy. We know you're talking about Troy. Yeah.

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Well, I'm gonna have to say it on the TV here coming up

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next week, so I gotta get it right now. Honestly, yeah,

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you mean two future NFL tackles and he struggled. That's a concern, you

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know what I mean. That's I like to watch those guys against their best

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competition, and so anyone that played pass rushers who played against Washington, I'm

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gonna and offense interior lineman, I'm watching him, and it bothered me that

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he didn't play as well against those guys, because that's the level player and

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even above I think rosen Gardens the level of player that you're going to see

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in the NFL. So bother me a little bit, you know, talking

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to teams about him. I think he goes in the third. There's an outside chance he slips to the fourth. But he is a try hard player.

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He's a guy who does have some rush to him and and and I

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think a lot of his with secondary effort and uh kind of a in anate

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ability to to kind of get skinny in certain instances and slip around the edge.

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But I don't know that he is going to be a good full time

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starter. I think my grade on him is low end starter to really good

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rotational player as a pass rush. And then with lat two, I mean

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he was once a Husky and they didn't clear him medically neck and yeah,

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so he goes to UCLA. Why am I not hearing nearly as much about

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Latu's injury history than I am about Michael Pennix's injury history when he played twenty

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seven straight games with that injury at Washington twenty eight. So that well,

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one guy's a quarterback obviously, so you know quarterbacks are and one guy was

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a quarterback and it was straight you know, four straight season ending injuries with

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Indiana obviously, but a quarterback is always going to get the attention. With

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Lot two, You're right, I mean two years we didn't play at all

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and had to medically retire, and then he goes into UCLA and just absolutely

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crushes two years of unbelievable production. And so I think behind the scenes,

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teams are trying to do a much better job of making sure injury information doesn't

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leak. So teams who do have lots off the board, and there are

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some, I think they don't want that information. I think they want to

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kind of protect the players a little bit. Honestly, I've not heard that

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Michael Pennix is off of any boards. I don't know if he's off of

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any boards. I do know a lot too is off some boards from teams

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who are very risk averse. So I think one of the reasons you hear

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more about it is because, look, you get the right quarterback and you

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got a chance to do special things, and so everything that they do positive

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is going to be you know, hyperbole is going to be cast upon it,

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and every every little concern is going to be picked up more carefully.

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And I think that's the reason why well Land Zeroline with us from the NFL

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Network courtesy of Moss Bay Hall. The Draft, thank God, is one

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week from Thursday. The mock is a week from tomorrow. And by the

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way, Lance Dick and I are at a bar, Jimmy's on first T

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Mobile Park is behind us, and Luminfield is directly to the right of us.

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And I look on the east or the west wall of Luminfield and I

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see Quandry Diggs face, and I see Jamal Adams face, two guys that

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as of right now do not play for the Seahawks. The Seahawks cutting both

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of their starting safeties from last year because they were taking up like twenty five

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percent of the salary cap. So when it comes to safeties in the mid

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to late rounds, I want you to give us your favorite on day two

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and then maybe give us a little breakdown on Jayden Hicks, the kid from

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Washington State. Yeah, Jayden Hicks is for me a later round player.

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I think he's a player who has some ability to I think he can play

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on teams number one, which helps you which you're going to be a later

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round player and is good in terms of getting downhill against the run solid net.

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I think he's average against the pass, to be honest with you, relative to NFL standards. A guy that you'd find, I think later in

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Day three and he'd have a chance to go on there and to pet for a backup job. Demmerson, boy, I'm trying to remember the name from

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Texas Tech. Dimmerson. Taylorson Taylor, Yeah, Taylor, there it is.

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He is my favorite. I can't believe teams are telling me put him

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third or fourth round. I said, but he's a he's a really good

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player. He can run, he's got great ball skills, he's got good

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interception production, he's got instincts. Oh yeah, we love him. We

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love him probably more like a third or fourth forget that, listen. He's

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a second round talent. He's a future starter. He's going to be one

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of the steals at safety in this draft. And if you'd be lucky enough

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to get him in the third round or or even in the fourth round, you should be jumping if you're a team. So he's a guy that I

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think is one that would be perfec trying to come in and now play the

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new look. I don't throw the name Earl Thomas round lightly certainly not that

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in that category, and Earl was an absolute you know, he's a bullet.

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I mean, he would come in and smash you. But I do

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think he has some of the same instincts and some of the same playmaking qualities

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as as Earl Thomas when he's playing single high. So that's why I mentioned

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the name. I'm not gonna I'm not saying he's the same player, but

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he's got some of the same attributes in terms of how he plays the game.

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So he's a guy that I think would be great for the Hawks,

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and I would say another one would be beside Tyler Newban. Let's see,

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boy, I've really got to think about this when you caught me off guard

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here with safety, it's one of the worst safety drafts I've had in about

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probably seven years. So I'll have to go. I gotta about about Kaylen

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Bullock from US. See, yeah, yeah, Kayten Bullock. Well,

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you know, I like Katon Bullock. The problem you're gonna have there,

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it's not a problem, but I've already talked to two teams that are gonna try to make him a cornerback. Wow. So because he's very fluid he's

18:02

fast. But Kayden Bullock is another one. You'd like for him to be maybe just a little bit thicker and bigger in his lower body, but he's

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a player that does have some of the same speed. I think that he's

18:12

a better cover man than he is a tackler, So it kind of depends

18:15

on what you want your safety to do. But if you want somebody who

18:18

can cover and maybe get in the nickel. Oh, I got another one

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for you, Omar Brown from Nebraska. He is going to go probably in

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the fifth round. He is really flying under the radar. He's got good

18:30

starting safety size and they played him in the nickel and he played, you

18:34

know, in the slot, covered a lot from the nickel, but he's

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got the ability to play anywhere you want on the field. He's a very

18:41

aggressive tackler and somebody who I think is going to be a much better pro

18:44

prospect than maybe the general public. In the draft media are given him credit

18:48

for it because and I checked around with teams and they like the kid too.

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So he's probably fourth or fifth, but he's going to be a future

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starter. Hey, lace, I remember talking back in the fall at the beginning of the year when Brayln Trice was named a first team preseason All American

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and then I saw him in top ten of mock drafts back then, and

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I was like, I just I haven't seen it. And then we saw

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it. We saw it his senior year. We saw an All American defensive

19:14

end, unblockable, unblockable area. And now I'm not seeing him anywhere near

19:17

the first round. So it's like, how did he fall when he actually

19:21

had by far his best season. Well, you always have to look at

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translatable, translatable production and the best way to do that. I remember,

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you know, we all remember the hullabalo about Michael sam when he came out

19:36

of the draft as the first open league gay player. But he was also

19:38

a lot of people looked at him and said, well, wait a minute,

19:41

why does he getting drafted this late? This guy was an All American

19:45

and he led the SEC in sacks. But then you know, when you

19:49

really got down in there and watched the tape, he just didn't have a

19:52

translatable game. He was not going to be somebody who beat NFL tackles.

19:56

And I think with Brayln Trice, one of the problems he has is he

19:59

is a fi physical player. No doubt, and he will go right down

20:02

the middle on you, and he'll bully the edges as a rusher. But

20:04

I think once you're up against NFL caliber tackles, and I think when you

20:08

look at the when you look at Washington State this year, and you look

20:11

at Oregon and you look at Oregon State, and Oregon State of course had

20:15

a great right tackle, but when you go up and down UCLA USC,

20:21

there's not the great tackles this year, and not a lot of tackles are coming out of other than your tackle and Oregon State tackle. There's not a

20:26

lot of pro tackles coming out this year. So I think one of the

20:30

things that he was able to do is really impose his will physically, and

20:33

that's a great trait and it's one of the reasons I think he's he's got

20:37

a really good chance of going in the top one hundred. I think the problem you have is is he clever enough to find ways to open up rush

20:45

path pathways? If he's got a long arm tackle who's got some strengths,

20:49

you know, how does he manipulate that tackle? How does he create it?

20:55

If he's not fast enough to beat a guy off the edge, and I'm not sure that juice up the field is going to get a lot of

21:00

defensive tackles tilting. So what he's gonna have to do and this is not

21:03

a big deal. I mean, this can be learned. He's got to

21:06

learn new methodologies for trying to open up pathways. In one way is gonna

21:11

be probably a little inside hands stab move where where he gets somebody leaning,

21:15

you stab him, you get them off balance, and you make an inside

21:18

move. So it's a matter of going and finding new pet moves. And

21:21

that's what he's got to do. So it's not where you're drafted, it's how you play, and then how you play is gonna ultimately determine, you

21:26

know, the money you make and the impact you're gonna have on the game.

21:30

Land Zerline, Hey, we got our mock next week. I know

21:33

what trying work something out, trying and to have you on next week.

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If it doesn't work out and you're too busy for the little people, we'll

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talk out of the draft. All right. I appreciate you guys. I

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