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Hello and welcome back

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to even more news, the

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first and only news podcast.

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My name is Katie Stoll. Hello

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Katie. Welcome to us. How

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you doing? I'm cool. How

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you? I'm great. My

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name is Cody. I'm the only host of this

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show. That is so fucking offensive. I know. I

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know. As soon as I said

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it. How dare you? I'm sorry. The first

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and only apology from me. It's okay.

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I'm going to forgive you because we've got

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a great guest today. I guess that we

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haven't had on for a long time since

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January 6th. Apparently. A

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freelance journalist who documents goings

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on in Charlottesville, Virginia. If

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you haven't guessed by this intro or the

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title of the episode, it's Molly Conger. Hello.

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Hi. Hey guys, agreed to be here. Thank

1:02

you for joining us. In the wake of an

1:04

attempted overthrow of the US government this time. Yeah.

1:07

Awful things to discuss today. But

1:11

we're glad to have you. Time is

1:13

such a weird thing. Lately

1:15

we've been having people on that

1:19

it shocks me that it's been so long since the

1:21

last time we've had them on, which is

1:23

a testament to Jonathan being a great producer and

1:25

booking guests for us. But we're

1:27

glad to see you. We

1:30

have a lot to get to today,

1:32

but first and foremost are

1:34

the holidays. What

1:37

are we celebrating today? What are we selling?

1:39

Great question, Molly. Friday, April

1:42

26th is remember

1:44

your first kiss day. Okay.

1:47

I remembering it. Yeah. I

1:49

guess real quick and remember those. Just

1:51

pour one out for our first kisses. Does

1:54

anybody have a good first kiss story? Well, I'm

1:56

remembering it. I've

2:00

remembered it. We have to share is it share

2:02

your first kiss day, too? I'm having my remembrance

2:05

privately. Yeah I thought we were remembering it. I

2:07

didn't Tell you guys

2:09

Play. All right, go for it and

2:11

it was in at the end

2:13

of freshman year of high school at the last

2:15

day Robbie bleep

2:19

his first Not

2:22

to be considered Confused with

2:24

Robbie bleep second third and fourth

2:26

party Robbie bleep had

2:28

a really nice house and

2:30

I didn't particularly like Jim But

2:32

we were in a hammock and I was nervous

2:34

and he kissed me and then he kind of

2:37

became my boyfriend for the summer But I only

2:39

saw him once hmm And then I broke up

2:41

with him before school started and then he eventually

2:44

dated one of my dear friends for

2:46

like two years young love Young

2:49

love that was my first kiss I'll

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remember your first kiss from now on on this

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holiday. Thank you and Robbie

2:57

Jim bleep Robbie bleeps first

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party So they're brothers

3:02

No Robbie's brother. No, that's why Yeah

3:05

party at the bleep. Oh, there's a classic

3:07

comedy duo that we all know. I

3:10

want to look up Robbie bleep What's he doing these days? I don't

3:12

think we should do that right now Okay,

3:16

no one else wants to share their first kiss I guess

3:18

I mean standard kiss In

3:21

a hammock at Robbie bleeps for ya exactly

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Saturday April 27th is

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National Day of Puppetry It's

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warm bow day. It's warm bow day. Excellent

3:33

Sad news for all of our listeners During

3:35

and Jonathan you weren't there for this for the

3:37

end plate of this episode coming out next week

3:39

about George Soros I

3:41

kind of tossed a worm bow to the side and yeah

3:44

his eye fell off. Oh, no Glue

3:47

back on fine. It'll be fine.

3:49

But here Cody's abusive. Here's his

3:51

little pupil. Oh my goodness

3:53

I know I know just glue it. Yeah, I'll

3:55

glue back on it was glued on originally Molly.

3:57

We have a puppet named warm bow That's

4:00

a big part of our show. Well,

4:02

where is he? Why isn't he on camera? Right

4:05

now, well, Cody threw him and maimed his

4:07

eyeball. He does look horrifying

4:09

without that on. Why

4:12

why are you haven't you glued it on yet? That

4:14

would have been the first thing I did. Give him

4:16

an eye patch. It'll be fine. He'll I mean,

4:19

the other we have to we have to warm those anyway.

4:21

But his eye will be glued back on and he will

4:23

be able to speak. Yesterday, when I suggested

4:26

we bring out the other worm bow,

4:28

you were horrified. Well,

4:30

yeah, I'm not going to bring out the other

4:32

warm bow to play warm bow. They're not the

4:34

same. It's a different guy, Katie. I

4:37

mean, one of the very important if he has

4:39

a body double, he's wearing a tie. Like

4:41

exactly the prime minister of this podcast. Basically,

4:44

I mean, he's the CEO of the company now.

4:46

Do not just throw around terms like

4:48

that because he will learn that term and he

4:50

will start to use it. He will start to use

4:52

it. And unfortunately, now he thinks he's

4:54

prime minister of the podcast. Which

4:58

he kind of is. Absolutely.

5:00

Now we're going to ask you some questions. Well,

5:03

this isn't a question. Well, OK, so the last time you

5:05

were here was January six. She said

5:08

you were here for January six. And

5:11

I think we can all agree. It's

5:14

gotten better since then. We took care of it. Yeah,

5:17

I think America has been on a really positive trajectory

5:20

since then. We solved problems. We all moved on. Democracy

5:23

is safe. We reached our low point and then it's been

5:25

floating up and up and up and up ever since. I

5:28

was thought that I mean, that's a fun joke and

5:30

I'm just going to disregard it. I

5:33

don't know that there exists a low point. We're

5:36

always looking for it. I think that's what's so

5:38

beautiful about America. Right. We're always searching

5:40

for the lowest point we can find.

5:43

Like having to have a war. We

5:45

were going to seem pretty low. That

5:48

was one of the one of the lower ones.

5:50

That was a low one in terms of a

5:53

modern low point. Do you think we'll know it

5:55

when it happens? Because I think

5:57

we keep thinking that I felt it. And

6:00

then it's not the low point. Because

6:02

I feel like whatever date

6:04

it is, January 6, 2025. Depending

6:08

on how things go. There's a really low.

6:11

Honestly, either way, there's going

6:13

to be, I

6:20

feel like even if, well, we'll discuss this later,

6:23

if Joe Biden shoots Donald Trump with a gun and he's

6:25

not running against him. But if

6:27

Trump wins or loses, I feel that

6:30

date is going to be a pretty rough one. No,

6:33

we've established conditions where no matter how the

6:35

election goes, there will be people who don't believe it

6:37

and people who want to violently change the outcome. It's

6:39

not going to be good. I think we should go

6:41

ahead and book you for our show on

6:44

the week of January 6, 2025. Just

6:47

going to get ahead of it right now. Put a

6:49

pin in you for that. Thank you. It's the optimism

6:52

that we'll all still be podcasting. We'll be, you

6:54

know. I'm

6:57

optimistic. I'm more optimistic than

6:59

everyone else that podcasting will exist still in

7:01

eight and a half months. Well,

7:03

you know, we'll all have free access to the

7:05

internet and everything. We'll be safe. Exactly.

7:09

I don't know how else I'll make money if that short

7:11

period of time that it comes away. We're

7:13

posting on Musk's TikTok, which I assume he

7:15

will buy. Oh, does

7:18

he have the cash for that kind of purchase? He can

7:20

fake it. Yeah. Molly,

7:23

here's an actual question for you. So

7:25

what cases are you currently

7:27

following in the Charlottesville

7:30

court system? Is there anything interesting going

7:32

on in your work right now? Oh,

7:35

absolutely. I know that there is. Because you already

7:37

know. Yeah. A well-prepared host. Yeah,

7:40

because it's been a full year now

7:42

since they started unsealing the indictments against

7:44

the torch marchers. So it's been seven

7:47

years since the torch march on August 11, 2017. But

7:51

in Virginia, there's no statute of limitation on

7:53

felonies. So we have a new the

7:56

prosecutor at the time declined to bring charges against the

7:58

torch marchers, our new prosecutor. Took

8:00

his time getting to it, but now we're a year

8:02

into some of those cases working their way through the

8:04

system And so what they were charged with was burning

8:07

an object with intent to intimidate It's

8:09

sort of a a modern iteration of

8:11

an old clan law, right like a

8:13

cross burning type situation But it

8:15

doesn't have to be across it can be any

8:18

object So in the the prosecutor's argument is that

8:20

the torch constitutes a a burning

8:22

object So we've got

8:24

I mean that was the implication of the

8:26

entire March, right? Well,

8:28

I mean it's clear to

8:31

anyone who sees the video that like the flame was

8:33

a Show

8:35

of force. Yeah physical show force and also

8:37

symbolic show force and that's there They know

8:39

what they were doing And

8:41

I think once you are trying to light people

8:43

on fire by swinging lit torches at them you

8:46

That's a burning object with an intent to intimidate, but

8:49

I guess the courts will decide It's

8:52

so hard to know what the court told aside these days

8:55

you really can't count on it anymore You really can't

8:58

Forget about close to a dozen of those

9:00

cases working their way through some guys have

9:02

already pled guilty Nobody's actually gone to trial

9:04

yet. The first case to

9:07

go to trial should be in June So I

9:09

guess we'll see how it shakes out from there

9:12

Takes so long. Oh It

9:14

takes forever. It takes forever on purpose, right?

9:17

I think that usually, you know The

9:19

state wants to drag things out to make it more painful But

9:21

in this case, it's the defendants filing a bunch of

9:24

procedural motions to sort of drag this out A

9:26

lot of these guys are not anyone you've ever

9:28

heard of one of them certainly is it's Thomas

9:30

Rousseau the leader of Patriot front He's

9:33

set for trial in November. So that'll be

9:35

a really normal time. I think for everyone.

9:38

Yeah, not a lot of Large

9:42

seismic things going on in that. No,

9:44

no, I think the first half of

9:46

November will be really normal for all of us Yeah,

9:48

and especially him are there

9:51

people in any of the prominent? Photos

9:54

and videos from Charlottesville

9:57

that we've all seen that have still not been Oh,

10:01

absolutely. Absolutely there are. I

10:03

mean, people are still making IDs to this day. People are

10:05

working hard on it. Respect that.

10:08

The most prominent

10:12

unid actor is

10:14

a guy that people refer to as sunglasses.

10:17

I'm sure you've seen the photos

10:19

in the video of the beating of DeAndre Harris, the

10:21

young black man who was beaten nearly to death in

10:23

the parking lot of the police station while the police

10:25

just stood there and watched. A

10:27

couple of guys, you know, were quickly

10:30

ID'd, arrested, caught, charged, convicted, did their

10:32

time. All but one

10:34

of them are out already. They served their time.

10:37

But one of the assailants has never been

10:39

identified and it's a young white man with

10:41

a sort of a military haircut, white polo

10:43

shirt, sunglasses on, which is why they call

10:45

him sunglasses. No ID

10:47

on sunglasses, which is remarkable,

10:49

honestly. Like

10:51

somebody knows who that guy is and

10:54

then he committed a felony assault. Typically,

10:56

he was there with people too. And

10:59

then another guy that participated in the assault that

11:02

was never ID'd that people call red beard. He's like

11:04

a big ruddy guy with a red beard. I mean,

11:07

somebody is his neighbor. Somebody is

11:09

his mom, his cousin, his ex-girlfriend.

11:11

Ex-girlfriends come forward with

11:13

tips. Come on, ex-girlfriend. Where are

11:15

you? Stop sleeping on red beard or

11:17

sunglasses, dude. Hello,

11:20

my beautiful baby bear. It's Cody, also

11:22

a bear. Just kidding, I am human.

11:24

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11:27

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12:55

John is in, set us up. What started

12:57

last week at Columbia University in New

13:00

York City has now become a nationwide

13:03

phenomenon with students at college campuses

13:05

across the US, setting up solidarity

13:07

encampments to protest continued support of

13:10

Israeli military action in Gaza to

13:12

demand that their schools divest from

13:14

any programs in Israel. Their

13:17

position is one that is kind

13:19

of the majority position in the United

13:21

States that they

13:24

don't support Israel's continued military

13:26

action in Gaza. But the

13:28

media has largely framed the protests as

13:30

threatening to Jewish students in the local

13:32

communities and many campuses have

13:35

now dispatched police to break up

13:37

these encampments. And so you can go

13:39

online and see many videos of campus

13:42

cops, of city cops beating up students,

13:45

moving tents out of the

13:47

way. This is all for setting up encampments,

13:50

in grassy areas, in quad areas, in

13:52

front of the library on campuses and

13:55

that's what's going on as we're recording. One

13:58

effective this... yesterday

14:01

at least event a

14:04

lot more people are out today yes

14:06

that's what happened in protest for the

14:09

actual purpose of the protest but also in

14:12

protest of what they did yesterday

14:14

tons of people out

14:16

that maybe wouldn't have come out

14:18

were it not for the violent

14:20

response to it which

14:23

is wholly unsurprising and

14:25

we were talking before

14:28

you joined us today Molly

14:31

man the soul situation fucking

14:33

sucks for there

14:35

are so many stronger words I could use but

14:38

the repression of free speech

14:41

just results in more in

14:44

anger that all they're

14:46

doing is amplifying the tension

14:48

here and

14:51

making things more volatile they

14:53

try and affect themselves right yeah very

14:55

very funny I mean it's not funny

14:58

but well right you could argue that

15:00

some of the New York media made

15:03

a much bigger deal about the

15:05

Columbia protests and maybe

15:07

they should have since college

15:09

students setting up tents somewhere

15:11

is not necessarily national news

15:14

suggesting that people in the

15:16

National Review and maybe like a Jonathan

15:18

Chait type might be writing about college

15:20

campuses way too much no I

15:23

think they should do it I think we'll do it more

15:25

if it is like I think you know

15:31

they tried to frame this right away

15:34

as anti-semitic protests and

15:36

then John Federman jumped on

15:38

board in the White House jumped on board saying

15:41

this is a parent not to

15:43

say that there haven't been any signs that

15:45

there haven't that no one has heard anything

15:48

might have been anti-semitic at this protest

15:50

that these protests that's not what I'm

15:53

saying but the organizers of the protests

15:55

especially at Columbia the first one have

15:58

been very clear about what the guidelines

16:00

are. They've been very clear

16:02

that they've disavowed any Semitic statements that

16:04

have taken place outside of the Columbia campus.

16:07

They've been very clear that people

16:09

inside the Gaza Solidarity encampment are

16:11

not to talk with

16:13

or respond to people who might

16:16

come in to agitate. Like

16:19

a Gavin McGinnis type, who's there to

16:21

bother people? Yes, exactly.

16:23

So I definitely think that the

16:25

national media in their attempt to

16:27

mock college students and then

16:30

cops in their attempts to beat up

16:32

college students, yes, have

16:34

definitely spread this movement. It

16:36

seems to have come together to

16:38

support the movement that they do

16:41

not want to happen. Elon

16:43

Omar's daughter was

16:45

at Columbia, right, last week? Because

16:48

we were the first students expelled. Expelled.

16:50

And so that's kind of what also

16:53

launched this to, you

16:55

know, a fervor. I mean,

16:57

it's just, it's

16:59

fucking wild, man. And yeah,

17:01

John, one of the things we talked

17:03

about before, also before we started recording, I

17:06

don't want to dismiss that

17:08

some students might feel,

17:11

have seen messages that make

17:14

them feel unsafe at some point

17:17

on campus or around. But there's also

17:19

so many, you know, Jewish students that

17:21

have been vocally supportive and saying that

17:23

they do not feel unsafe. I mean,

17:25

there's the cedar that was being shared

17:28

at the, you know, protest

17:30

a couple of nights ago. There's that

17:32

image that's been floating around. But

17:35

like, Cody, you know, we had this conversation

17:37

and you're right that that can

17:39

become the distracting through line to

17:41

distract from the actual

17:43

conversation as to why people are there.

17:45

The bigger picture here. The

17:48

reality of this protest is like it's not

17:50

that protest has a very specific purpose. And

17:53

it's not that. I think it's important

17:55

to be concrete in our definitions, right?

17:58

You see, some people feel unsafe. people

18:00

are perceiving anti-Semitism. Are

18:02

these people unsafe? Have they been

18:05

made unsafe or do they just

18:07

not like what they are seeing, right? Like, are

18:10

they seeing outright anti-Semitism or

18:12

are they conflating anti-Zionism and

18:14

anti-Israel protest with anti-Semitism? I'm

18:16

not saying both things aren't

18:18

occurring, but by and

18:20

large, the anti-Semitism that people are talking about

18:22

is criticism of the state of Israel. And

18:24

you can't cede ground to that definition of

18:26

the word, but the word didn't mean anything

18:29

anymore, right? Well, right. That's the

18:31

thing. Like, there are these, you know, isolated

18:34

incidents or these moments of people feeling

18:36

safe or these instances of anti-Semitism, but

18:38

they are being used to describe the

18:41

protest as a whole. Like

18:43

Netanyahu came out yesterday and he's like, these are anti-Semitic

18:45

protests, so we got to take care of them. And

18:47

it's like, wait, we get that fuck out of here.

18:49

What are you talking about? Yeah, we just gave you

18:51

$95 billion or whatever it is.

18:53

Shut the hell up. Like you got you

18:55

got yours. But like there, you know, I

18:57

think didn't Greenblatt. Yeah.

19:02

Said yesterday, the Anti-Defamation

19:05

League Iran has Iran has their

19:07

military proxies like Hezbollah and Iran

19:09

has their campus proxies like these

19:11

groups, like Students for Justice in

19:13

Palestine, do a voice for peace.

19:16

Like that is the

19:18

result of like the

19:20

sort of cynical use of

19:22

these these moments to be

19:25

like, well, this discredits

19:27

the entire movement and the entire protest. And

19:29

that's like what they functionally

19:32

do. And to be clear, this

19:34

protest specifically is asking

19:37

the university to divest

19:41

from, you know, investments

19:43

that are profitered profiting

19:45

by Israel's war efforts.

19:48

And that's pretty specific

19:51

and not unreasonable. And

19:55

again, it is like most people

19:57

share this general view. very

20:00

concrete, right? So often the criticism of protests

20:02

is, you know, especially protest against, you know,

20:04

Israel in this last few months, people are

20:06

saying, well, you're taking to the streets of

20:09

the US, like, what do you want anyone

20:11

to do about it? What can this possibly

20:13

accomplish? What is your ceasefire resolution in the

20:15

city council accomplish for the people of Gaza?

20:17

Well, these protests do have a very specific

20:20

concrete goal and its divestment that is not

20:22

symbolic, it's non-performative, that is a literal actual

20:24

concrete action that these universities can take. They

20:26

can say, we will not

20:28

profit from arms manufacturing, we will

20:31

not profit from the apartheid state

20:33

of Israel. Which it should be

20:35

anyway. Why are you investing in

20:37

Lockheed Martin in the first place?

20:39

Unbelievable. I mean believable, but like...

20:42

I don't know, like when I was in college,

20:44

I did not think about this stuff. No. That's

20:46

why I'm always like very impressed by this because

20:48

I would have, when I was in college,

20:50

I would have walked by and been like, huh, what's

20:53

going on? I'm going to go to Taco

20:55

Bell or something. Like I was not aware.

20:57

And there was stuff going on. Like, you

21:00

know. You were in your way to Bobby

21:02

Bleep's party. Oh, well, listen, you know me.

21:04

I was going, yeah. So I'm

21:06

always very like impressed by people who have

21:08

the wherewithal to do this at such a

21:10

young age. But also, had you told me,

21:12

oh yeah, your school is profiting off

21:15

of arms manufacturing. So what do you,

21:17

wait, what do you, like, I feel

21:19

like even back then I would have said, stop,

21:22

don't do that. Stop and do that.

21:24

Right. Like it's the kind of thing like,

21:26

it's like, don't do that. Wait, we have

21:29

to have a protest to make

21:31

you not do that. You shouldn't

21:33

be doing that. You shouldn't do that exactly. No,

21:35

I was looking this morning at some newspaper

21:37

archives from the 80s just trying to find

21:39

some context for myself for this, right? Like,

21:42

you know, you see these encampments pop up.

21:45

That's not a coincidence, right? That's not random.

21:47

It's not something they invented. This is in

21:49

keeping with tradition. Like in the 80s, there

21:51

were these college protests where they set up

21:54

shanty towns on the quad that colleges across

21:56

the country to protest apartheid and not just

21:58

to protest apartheid, but specifically, specifically to

22:00

ask colleges to divest

22:03

from apartheid. Did it

22:05

work? It did. It

22:07

did. I wasn't expecting you to say

22:09

that. Yes. Yes. It

22:12

did. So I found some articles from 1985.

22:14

I mean, obviously it didn't work everywhere. It didn't work every

22:16

time. It wasn't universal. But

22:18

this wave of protests in the mid 80s in

22:20

the midst of all of this violence on campus,

22:22

you know, hundreds of students arrested en masse, students

22:24

being physically dragged from their campus buildings and beaten

22:27

by cops in the street, just like we're seeing

22:29

today, you know,

22:32

in 1985, two dozen colleges

22:34

and universities had responded to these

22:37

protests by divesting from apartheid. It

22:39

did work. Oh,

22:41

you mean the cops weren't nice to them back then?

22:44

It's remarkable. I mean, so these photos,

22:46

you know, they're either grainy and black and white and

22:48

looking at newspaper archives, but those photos

22:51

could have been taken today, right? The college student

22:53

at Berkeley in a chokehold with three cops sitting

22:55

on his chest, like, that could have been taken

22:57

today. We didn't learn anything.

23:00

No, we never do. That's one of the

23:02

things that's been really bumming me out. Like

23:04

a real bummer that I've

23:07

been thinking about in a lot of different

23:09

topics. But again, this week with this, it's

23:11

like, man, we do not learn a damn

23:14

thing ever. It's so cyclical.

23:16

And it's not that long ago. People

23:18

have been sharing someone's

23:21

tweet, meme, whatever,

23:24

about reminder,

23:27

students are all student protests are always on

23:29

the right side of history. Like we never

23:32

look back on our

23:34

students, like the people that

23:36

behave like goons are goons,

23:38

you know, they're on

23:40

the wrong side of history. Vietnam,

23:42

the civil rights movement, you know,

23:44

it's just it's that we

23:47

have a community note on it about

23:49

like Germany in the 30s or something.

23:51

I'm going to say processing desegregation.

23:58

But that's a really good point. But

24:00

you know what I'm saying. Exactly. But

24:03

the protests where cops are beating the shit out

24:05

of people in the streets have one thing

24:07

in common. History vindicated

24:09

those protesters. Yeah. And

24:12

you'll have politicians, democratic politicians

24:14

tying themselves in knots to

24:16

point at the civil rights

24:19

protests, the ones you're talking about in the

24:21

80s. Well, these were all good, but what's

24:23

happening now is bad. And to

24:25

try to come up with a reason why

24:27

these ones are so bad. Because it's

24:30

safe for me to celebrate a battle that was

24:32

already won. I can pretend that I would have

24:34

agreed with them because history already proved the right. Oh,

24:36

exactly. That's just always the

24:38

case. You can celebrate victories in

24:40

the past and you condemn struggles

24:42

in the present. And

24:45

that's the safe position you can take. Politicians

24:48

voting for to increase funding to the police

24:50

while putting up their MLK memes twice a

24:52

year. Right. And while

24:54

claiming that we defunded the police.

24:57

Right. People are still saying that they're

24:59

still saying that. I know I can't

25:02

seem to whenever it comes up. I want

25:04

to lose my mind. Apparently not doing a

25:06

good job being the shit. Yeah. Fucking

25:09

kids. I shared this with Cody yesterday and

25:11

you'd already seen it. But I want to bring it

25:13

up here now. This post does

25:15

the same person's post that you saw.

25:18

It's the same post. Yeah. So, OK. The

25:21

original thing. I'm not bleeping out your name. Marmalstein.

25:24

Amazing. Something odd

25:26

about. OK. So it's a picture of all

25:29

the green tents on the lawn,

25:31

I guess, at Columbia University. And

25:34

they're the same green tent. Something

25:36

odd about the campus. A lot of them are the same green

25:38

tent. Some of them are not. They're not all the same green

25:40

tent. But a lot of them are. Something

25:43

odd about those campus tent encampments.

25:46

Almost all the tents are identical. Same

25:48

design, same size, same fresh out

25:51

of the box appearance. Which suggests

25:53

that rather than an organic process

25:55

whereby students would bring a variety

25:57

of individual tents. or

26:00

some organization, how to

26:03

apply them and organize

26:05

the event, I think

26:07

it would be instructive if we can determine

26:09

who that someone is. Because

26:11

rather than spontaneous demonstrations, these

26:13

are choreographed events by hidden

26:16

actors and the students, sincere

26:18

though they may be, are merely

26:20

manipulated props. Right, because lots

26:22

of people who live in New York City own

26:24

a lot of camping supplies. Yeah, that's what my

26:27

first thought was like, how many students do you

26:29

know how to do that? Have their variety of

26:31

camping gear? Or is it more

26:33

likely that they bought the cheapest one on

26:35

Amazon and they bought several with pooled funds?

26:38

Or on campus, they're all on the same

26:40

campus, they went to the fucking store and

26:42

like got the same tent. You know

26:44

what probably happened is

26:47

that there are whatever student

26:49

organization, there's obviously someone

26:51

that's like, whatever

26:54

the specific organization is, they

26:56

started a crowd fund and

26:58

everybody donated $10 and they

27:00

bought 50 fucking tents.

27:02

You absolute. These guys

27:05

are gonna dock the CEO of big

27:07

five sporting goods. Like you're the man

27:09

behind it. You're organizing. It's so funny

27:11

because like there it's I've just see

27:14

posts, I see posts about like, like

27:16

this a lot. And it's so

27:18

funny because they always use these words that

27:20

like, they should be able to like look

27:22

at and like realize what they're saying. Like

27:25

almost all the tents are identical. Almost

27:28

is a pretty important word there. It's

27:30

rather than organic process, someone

27:33

or some organization, wow, an organization

27:35

helped organize something. The word organized

27:37

organization is there. And like,

27:40

rather than spontaneous demonstrations, these are

27:42

choreographed events. Like there's like, nothing

27:45

can happen before a thing. Like

27:47

oh, we're gonna do this, we're gonna

27:49

do this protest. What's organized is

27:51

like not a process that this

27:54

person has thought would happen or has ever

27:56

happened in any sort of protest. Like

27:58

even like I imagine they think that like the parks was

28:00

just like one day like you know what today's

28:03

the day instead of like a

28:05

process and

28:07

a plan and like I don't know the

28:09

whole like the idea that like students can't

28:12

organize anything is absurd. Yeah, which

28:14

is it? You know, was it

28:16

last week we get the news

28:18

that the Ray McKesson is personally

28:20

responsible for organizing a protest

28:24

or are people not capable of organizing

28:26

protest? I don't know. There's just lots

28:28

of jumping through hoops. It

28:31

takes away from their agency too, right?

28:33

The idea that if anyone organized this,

28:35

it must have been some sort of

28:37

shadow ease and foreign entity. You know,

28:39

22 year olds aren't capable of coming

28:42

together in a group and meeting a

28:44

theater but they're merely manipulated props. These

28:46

are voting, these are adults. They're young

28:48

adults. And they understand the value of

28:50

buying in bulk. Exactly. It's

28:52

called financial responsibility. They feel

28:55

a good feel when they see

28:57

it. It's called frugality, okay? It's

28:59

not a conspiracy. Yeah, guy's

29:02

name I forget already, Mermalstein. There's

29:04

probably a perhaps even a specific

29:06

thought about keeping it the same

29:09

color too, you know? Well,

29:11

exactly. There's so many reasons for

29:13

this other than they're being tricked

29:15

into thinking this is something they

29:17

should do. Nobody could buy 10 matching 10s

29:19

except for the state of Iran.

29:22

Yeah. So this is what I

29:24

was kind of getting it to is that I

29:26

have, I don't have a screenshot of this, but

29:28

I have seen shared somewhere.

29:31

Goatee. Just asking the question,

29:34

basically saying Iran

29:37

is funding stuff like

29:39

proxies. Oh yeah. Well, no, it's

29:41

that green black quote of how-

29:43

These pizza parties are clearly fun to

29:45

find at Ayatollah. Yeah. I

29:48

guess the League of Extraordinary Defamation is

29:51

that organization now. I mean, just like, you

29:55

know, you can find things on a

29:57

college campus to be a little bit like- cringy

30:01

without things like pizza parties, there's

30:03

drum circles, there's guest speakers, there's

30:05

art forums. Oh, that's when the

30:08

cops show that's when they showed

30:10

up for the art forum during

30:12

the art part like in the

30:14

evening. They like waited for the

30:16

fucking pizza party in the art

30:18

show. Or was it

30:20

it was that it was that that Ali London

30:22

freak posted a video of some students at Columbia

30:25

doing step dancing. You know, like there's no music

30:27

because the beat is the music but they were

30:29

doing on grass. I guess you couldn't really hear

30:31

it. And he's like, strange, silent dance and sort

30:34

of ritual. It's like, you've never met

30:36

a black person. It's

30:38

so like, they're just like everything,

30:40

anything normal that happens. They're always

30:42

like, this is the humiliation ritual

30:45

that the elite want you to

30:47

do. Or like whatever it is

30:49

like, no, like you're in college,

30:51

go outside. It's a protest. Protests

30:55

are a combination of a lot of things. Yes,

30:57

there's a lot of anger and a lot of

30:59

high emotion. There's signs is marching. There also are

31:01

drum circles and like events and like speeches and

31:03

there's it's a whole thing. And

31:06

it's such a weird and to your point

31:08

earlier, Molly, I want to highlight this because

31:10

it is very frustrating to see a certain

31:13

type of lib

31:16

centrist kind of personality

31:18

be so down on these protests for

31:20

these brand new reasons when normally they're

31:22

down in the protest to like what

31:24

you're talking about, like with a climate

31:26

change protest will stop disrupting traffic or

31:28

like stop doing this. Like

31:31

you need to have a plan or like a course

31:34

of actionable goal or like some like be more productive

31:38

or like we know when people

31:41

throw paint on or like paint

31:43

on paintings, the soup stuff

31:46

that happens these days that everyone's

31:48

so mad about whenever that

31:50

happens, like no, do something like do a real

31:52

protest. And when we're doing it, why

31:55

are you mad? Because this is a direct

31:57

one to one that they want action from the.

32:00

University financial action and so

32:02

they are financially disrupting the you

32:04

know operation of that university for their

32:06

goal It's a direct one-to-one. It's really

32:09

simple. It's not But

32:11

it has to be confusing for it to

32:13

be bad right like they have to confuse

32:15

the issue and Muddy things up to make

32:17

it seem like this is actually just like

32:20

fake people who don't really believe what they're

32:22

doing who are being Paid by some shadowy

32:24

figure to be anti-semitic like that is the

32:26

that is the the narrative Personal

32:28

stake in it right like they are

32:31

taking on life-ruining debt to give money

32:33

to this institution that is in turn

32:35

Profiting off of a genocide. I think

32:37

it's very fair for them to

32:39

want to do something about very very fair This

32:41

is an expensive. No, they're all privileged. Sorry

32:45

they're all privileged like whining

32:47

privileged actually Like

32:51

Privilege no, we're not gonna do that But like if

32:53

you are like privileged and like all of these like

32:55

privileged pampered little students and now protest It's been good

32:58

for them for a good for fuck exactly good for

33:00

them That's the

33:02

reaction that should be there instead of

33:04

like therefore the protest is fake and

33:06

doesn't matter At

33:09

any university is necessarily from a privileged

33:11

background Oh, but even then like

33:14

with everything to lose your whole life ahead of you, you

33:16

know, you could lose your scholarship You couldn't go by your

33:18

family. You could go to jail. You could be killed by

33:20

a fucking cop You know you could if

33:23

any of these kids want to be lawyers They're probably not

33:25

gonna pass a character in fitness test if they've been

33:27

the resident of protests like they're With

33:30

a flag We're risking everything we

33:32

should not be you know, cut cutting them

33:34

like oh, you know these pretty privileged kids

33:36

Like yeah, good Most

33:39

privilege should risk it. Yes I also

33:42

saw it's funny because like there's like all these

33:44

levels of like Dismissing it just like dismiss the

33:46

whole thing frame it like this frame like this

33:48

any way to make it seem like not worth

33:50

anything And like even then

33:52

of like, okay They're doing

33:54

this. I saw this fucking Dean Phillips

33:56

if anyone even remembers that guy's name.

33:58

I cannot believe believe that's the name that

34:00

we've okay go ahead I know but I do you're

34:03

gonna but he was tweeting he's like imagine

34:05

this energy on things

34:07

like homelessness or or

34:10

or climate change or something it's like so

34:12

you're never fucking happy like he's a congressman

34:14

he's a congressman he tried to pretend to

34:16

run for president okay but so like

34:19

where's the energy venting I know I

34:21

know right yeah I can't his

34:23

energy is in tweeting about how we need a president the White

34:25

House who listened to you too as a kid he did tweet

34:27

that I'm proud to you I know you

34:32

yeah the band that was gonna be as we were forced to put

34:34

on our eyes yeah they

34:38

may have seen me we didn't want to

34:40

listen to you too was he

34:42

saying that he thinks the students

34:44

should do this kind of protest

34:46

action about those things about something

34:49

else imagine if college students put

34:51

as much energy into protecting reproductive

34:53

rights and reducing poverty homelessness crime

34:55

and in other injustices in America

34:58

imagine my okay so now so

35:00

the Board of Regents at their college

35:02

can overturn the Supreme Court is that right

35:05

we need to divest from the Supreme

35:07

Court if they're not gonna protect our

35:09

reproductive rights how else can we university

35:11

should be giving free abortions it's like if they were

35:13

doing that he'd be like what good is this gonna

35:15

do shut up students like

35:17

there's no there's no winning so if

35:19

they were protesting about that yeah he

35:22

would not like they're protesting about that

35:24

or the way they're doing it or

35:26

setting up tents that's the problem that's

35:28

what civil disobedience about this that's what

35:30

gets you arrested so it's like if

35:32

it's not that what else do you

35:34

want them to do they're doing this

35:36

because this is their leverage this is

35:38

what they can do you dunce they

35:40

want them they want them to like intern in

35:43

their office and like get a little fucking lanyard

35:45

and like vote for Biden I

35:47

guess like that's all they want them to do

35:50

for the guy who's currently the president I

35:52

mean can you imagine how bad it would be if

35:54

a president let something like this happen we have to

35:57

keep voting for Joe Biden We've

36:00

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then he sort of paused for a little bit. No, you

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40:59

children they're not children I call

41:02

everybody that's younger than me but I

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there's still a lot of more still teenagers teenagers

41:09

somebody who's you know 20 years old getting

41:12

beaten by a riot cop like I'm old

41:14

enough now that that does look like a

41:16

kid it's not as I know it hurts they are

41:19

neither adults they're voters but like

41:21

your brain still forming but their

41:23

kids but these

41:25

are also not I don't mean

41:27

that this is obviously we've all looked at

41:30

seen the youth being

41:32

very energized and impressive for a

41:35

while now like that I am

41:37

blown away and also

41:39

sometimes like you guys take on

41:41

so much so young but this

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is Columbia University other

41:46

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41:48

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41:52

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41:55

the brightest young minds right

41:57

and yet they can't think for themselves

41:59

oh And I actually

42:01

don't even mean that. I don't think that people need to

42:03

go the brightest young one. Well, you're trying to frame

42:05

it like they frame it, right? Like how they... Right.

42:09

I'm saying that these are overachiever students

42:11

that have excelled in some way or

42:13

another and been accepted to an impressive,

42:17

I'm quoting, university. And

42:20

yet, they also don't have their own

42:22

agency. And if we're to

42:24

try... They have enough... Yeah. They're

42:26

responsible enough to sign on the dotted line for $150,000. Right.

42:30

But they're just... They just don't

42:32

know enough to know if it's right or wrong to

42:34

do a genocide. Events like

42:36

this are just really laid bare, just

42:38

like the constant contradictions with

42:42

so much of our discourse about these kinds

42:44

of issues. But you said this

42:46

a week ago about this other thing. And

42:48

you're saying this now. Like, I mean,

42:50

even like looking at all the people, like

42:53

Elon Musk and people just being like, yeah, we got to

42:55

like Abbott. All

42:58

those tweets about like, we got to take

43:00

care of these protesters. Well, you're the free

43:02

speech brigade. What are you doing? You can't...

43:05

I mean, you can do this and get away with it, apparently, but like you can't

43:07

do this and get away with it. It turns out it was never

43:09

really about free speech, right? Like how many... How

43:11

many op-eds have we endured in the

43:14

last two years alone about campus free

43:16

speech, right? About conservative

43:18

students are being silenced. They're not invited

43:20

to any parties just because they said

43:22

that they should bring slavery back. They're

43:25

being silenced. And it's like, okay, like you're unpopular.

43:27

People don't want to sit next to you in

43:29

class because you have problems with

43:31

the age of consent or whatever. Like,

43:33

but these kids are being beaten and

43:35

tased and tear gassed and arrested. So

43:38

who's free speech is really in

43:40

jeopardy here? Yeah, it's...

43:43

I went back and... Sorry,

43:45

I went back and like skimmed through a few

43:47

of those like 2021, like there's a chilling thing

43:51

going on in college campuses right now. And

43:54

there's one and I don't want to like,

43:56

you know, single out people, but

43:58

there's one... Go for it. We'll believe

44:00

it. Just please thought the last name. Is it Robbie?

44:03

No, Emma Bleep in

44:05

the New York Times and she wrote like, I

44:07

came to whatever school to... Oh, that

44:09

was here. That was the UVA one, right? Yes,

44:12

that was UVA. Yeah. And she's

44:14

like, what I found and said was

44:17

self-censorship and people are afraid to express

44:19

themselves. But right now, people

44:21

are not afraid to express themselves whether,

44:23

you know, they're part of the campus

44:25

protests or, you know, against

44:27

them coming out. Like, I just don't

44:29

understand. Like, we had this

44:32

whole conversation. We were forced to have this

44:34

entire like years long conversation by the New

44:36

York Times and the Atlantic and the New

44:38

Yorker or whatever. And

44:41

like, you know, we were saying, oh,

44:43

they don't actually care about this. Like, this is

44:45

just because they want Ben Shapiro to show up

44:47

and say something racist. No one was silencing

44:49

those kids, those conservative libertarian little freaks who

44:51

were saying like, oh, I'm being silenced on

44:54

campus. No one, their professors were

44:56

not flunking them. They were not being abused

44:58

or kicked out of class. Like, they were

45:00

not being harmed. They just weren't

45:02

being celebrated. So when they said like, I'm being

45:04

silenced, what they meant was I am not being

45:07

feted. Yeah, right. I'm being

45:09

criticized and ignored. You're being

45:11

so brave. Like, they

45:13

weren't being silenced. They just weren't

45:15

getting the attention. They weren't getting the attention that they crave.

45:18

They got a very unpopular opinion. That's

45:20

the nicest way to put it. Right.

45:22

But the free speech crisis on campus right now

45:24

is that probably someone's going to get

45:27

fucking killed. Yeah, it's really fucked up, actually.

45:31

I also this isn't

45:33

for our listeners because I'm pretty sure they all

45:36

just generally agree. But

45:38

just like with stuff like this happens and

45:40

like you see like, you know, LAPD

45:42

getting involved yesterday and things like that,

45:44

you're like just urging

45:46

any of these again, like

45:49

these like centrist lib pundits, just

45:52

like urging them like just

45:54

imagine if the

45:56

president was the other guy.

46:00

thing was happening exactly this like

46:02

there's no there's no change in

46:05

Anything except that the present is the

46:07

other guy. How do you feel about

46:10

what's going on? And

46:12

we all know the answer to that It is very

46:14

frustrating to see these things happen like over and over

46:16

and over and go like just but like if the

46:18

other guy Did this you'd be fucking furious right now

46:22

And we know the same thing with with what's going on in Gaza

46:24

where it's like it just imagine if

46:26

it weren't your guy behind

46:30

And imagine all of this this outrage

46:32

and fury right now

46:34

in the American media And and we've

46:37

been talking about this for a long

46:39

time now just here today

46:42

meanwhile two mass

46:44

graves Were discovered

46:46

this week at two hospitals and

46:49

right before we started recording. I

46:52

got physically nauseous reading how 20

46:56

people in one of these graves it seems

46:58

were buried alive And

47:02

that's the real distraction all of this

47:04

from the fucking Atrocity

47:07

that's happening. I mean I feel Israel's

47:11

gonna navigate it and yeah, I get the

47:13

information from them What I don't

47:15

know if I buy the distraction narrative, right? I think

47:17

you have to you you can't focus on one

47:19

over the other you know They exist in

47:21

the same context right this these students are

47:24

trying to Squeeze some

47:26

of the money back out of that. I

47:29

don't mean that the protests are I mean

47:31

that we're all Talking about free

47:33

speech and students being puppeted and meanwhile

47:35

more every day. There's more atrocities. You're

47:37

correct I do not mean to suggest

47:39

that the protests are themselves There's

47:42

there's stuff around it that distracts from the

47:44

protests, which is where to bring focus Yeah,

47:47

the cops that are beating these students especially down

47:49

in Georgia You know at the Emory protests a

47:51

lot of those cops trained with

47:53

the IDF, right? Like cops cop city is

47:55

you know in partnership with the IDF that

47:57

they have this exchange program with a learn

48:00

oppression tactics and they bring them back home. So it

48:02

is, I think, more

48:05

clear than ever that, you know,

48:07

our fates are intertwined and we have to, we

48:10

have to get out of this arrangement. And Biden just

48:12

keeps signifying, there's

48:14

nothing that we will always be supporting Israel.

48:16

We will always be protecting

48:19

Israel. And you know, his camp is

48:21

worried about the youth vote in November. Like, I

48:23

would behave differently if I were worried about the youth

48:25

vote. No, you beat him up. What would you

48:27

do? Would you ban TikTok? I ban TikTok

48:30

and beat him up. Would you ban TikTok and

48:32

beat him up? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Should we talk about TikTok?

48:34

That's how Iran is reaching our high schoolers.

48:37

Exactly. Right. That's how they're

48:39

being... Through tents and... Have

48:41

you seen the latest dance trend? No.

48:43

It's just subliminal messages. Oh.

48:47

It's so wild for me. This is another

48:49

thing of the TikTok ban, just

48:51

this boogeyman of China, which

48:53

I don't know. I'm more afraid

48:56

of the... We've talked about this before, where

48:58

this is first the story. I'm more afraid

49:00

of all the websites that take all my

49:02

data every fucking day on must-having it than

49:05

TikTok. Personally, I don't know what you

49:07

guys are doing on TikTok. I don't

49:09

really like... There's this wiener dog named Biscuit that has

49:11

like a collection of shoes. Like, he has like a

49:14

lot of different shoes. And so there's all these different

49:16

videos of Biscuit wearing like really fresh outfits and

49:18

like new kicks. So like, I don't know. Well,

49:21

I know what I'm doing today. I'm

49:24

not looking at... I have similar things. I'm not

49:26

really on it. I just like... Yeah, I see

49:29

TikToks posted on x.com. Right. There's

49:31

all this hand-wring about like going to

49:33

the Chinese Communist Party who's influencing our youth. I was

49:35

like, oh, did they buy Biscuit those new crocs? Because

49:37

I don't... Right. What

49:40

were they like... Yeah. Are they

49:42

influencing Jose Monkey, who finds out what

49:44

Dairy Queen you're at in Indiana? Like,

49:46

are they using the G.O. data? Like,

49:48

I know exactly where you are. You're

49:50

at this roundabout here in Oregon. Like,

49:52

okay. I hope they enjoy it. I

49:55

mean, if we're geolocating people at Dairy Queen's, that

49:57

is a threat to national security. engraved

50:00

in her. I would not I

50:03

would not film myself anywhere being like find

50:05

me I find it but

50:07

I watch other people get found on

50:10

Google Earth. What is going on with before

50:12

what we have some a few more minutes here

50:14

what is going on with the tik-tok situation he

50:16

signed it. Well it's not a ban

50:18

it's just like it will be effective

50:20

effectively a ban if certain actions aren't

50:22

taken. If they don't sell it. Which

50:26

is like yeah like splitting hairs but

50:29

yeah ByteDance has 12 months

50:31

to sell tik-tok or the

50:33

app will be banned from

50:35

app stores. I'm sure no one

50:37

stands to profit hugely from this that's probably not

50:39

part of us at all. No not at

50:42

all. No. I

50:44

don't know what China does with

50:48

our shit but like do you think that they can't

50:50

get our information in other ways? I

50:53

mean I updated the software on my

50:55

television yesterday like I fucking

50:57

smart TV I'm ruining my life. It sends notifications

51:00

to my phone and I did upgrade my TV software and

51:03

I had to like

51:06

agree to the agreements in order to watch my

51:09

programs and I was like yeah you know we're

51:11

just sending all of your data to this third-party company about like

51:13

when you're pausing it and like how loud your

51:15

TV is like your data is everywhere

51:17

your data is everywhere you can't get around it. Every website

51:19

I go to I have to accept or reject. And

51:22

there's always like that like that kind

51:25

of data I'm like I don't care

51:27

but I do care. Like

51:29

I don't want you to know when I

51:31

pause stuff and I know that doesn't matter

51:34

like that's not like my private information but

51:36

yeah also yeah it is. But why do

51:39

you need to know? Yeah but there's also

51:41

like we were just it's not like we

51:43

don't care but there's nothing we can do

51:45

about it and so like last week AT&T's

51:47

like we regret that your

51:49

social security number has been

51:52

compromised and it's like look there's

51:54

been maybe 20 giant

51:56

data dumps on the dark web where

51:58

all of my information is. So

52:00

the only comfort is that they've got yours

52:02

and yours and yours and everyone's as well

52:04

So the chances that they're reporting bureau had

52:06

a breach, right? So it's like you have

52:08

against my will force me to participate in

52:10

the credit reporting process Non-consentually and

52:12

then you sold my social security number. Yeah

52:16

Like I hope that free credit report

52:18

comm guy is like on a beach

52:20

somewhere I know he's living it up

52:22

Yeah, like I don't I don't blame

52:24

him for taking the money for a

52:26

10,000 commercials in the 2000 And

52:30

get out of there. Yeah, I don't either. I love

52:33

this tidbit that you included Jonathan Meanwhile,

52:35

the Biden 2024 campaign remains on

52:38

tick-tock In

52:40

an effort to reach the younger voters that they're

52:42

alienating Well, they gotta have

52:44

a place to post videos of them beating

52:46

the shit out of those young people Otherwise

52:49

how they're gonna know how to vote they

52:52

do have on that page. It's

52:54

like it'll be like Biden You

52:57

know slam dunks on Trump or something

52:59

like dark Brandon drags Trump Or

53:03

president Biden cooks Trump for selling

53:05

$60 rivals It

53:08

is it feels like it's cringe as

53:10

any college student at a drum circle

53:12

But I think it's like because I

53:14

do believe I'm sure the people they

53:16

hired to do this Like know what

53:18

they're doing or on tick-tock and understand

53:20

everything But I just think it's very

53:22

hard to make speeches from Biden feel

53:25

effortless on it talk so

53:27

yeah, I mean no,

53:30

we're more four more years pause like Epic

53:34

clap back to the teleprompter But

53:39

then on tick-tock he's gonna do a bit with

53:41

it right they'll get him on and he'll say

53:43

four more years No,

53:46

really Look right. They'll

53:48

have I'll try to effortlessly weave it in.

53:51

It's funny because I'm confused a lot. Do

53:53

you get it? It's just

53:55

not inspiring. I just meanwhile the other

53:57

guy is like falling asleep

54:00

and like farting through his trial and lawyer argue can we

54:02

button this up with this

54:06

Sotomayor question oh please it's

54:08

not good I mean it's not good

54:11

but I would also pause it it's fucking

54:13

amazing the Supreme Court is hearing arguments today

54:19

from Trump lawyers about why he should

54:21

have immunity from all this stuff it's

54:23

I think this one specifically about the

54:25

DC in DC the federal I tried

54:27

to overturn the election thing and

54:29

of course they're probably gonna do a quote-unquote middle

54:32

ground where they're not gonna say he gets total

54:34

immunity but they're gonna send it back to a

54:36

lower court which kicks the can down the road

54:38

so that it happens after the election so that

54:40

if he wins he doesn't

54:42

have to make any problems anyway

54:44

Sonia Sotomayor asked Trump's lawyer she's

54:47

like well what if the president believes

54:49

his political opponent is corrupt and orders

54:52

the military to assassinate them does that

54:54

count as an official act that he

54:56

would have immunity for and

54:58

Trump's lawyers like well that could

55:00

be an official act it depends

55:02

like it is possible that the

55:04

president can find his opponent corrupt

55:06

and murder the opponent and so

55:08

you're right I've been right

55:10

the whole time I didn't should kill but

55:12

no no no Joe Biden's

55:15

a man shoot Donald Trump dead with a

55:17

gun I didn't say you should kill him

55:20

he should shoot him dead with a gun I'm not a

55:22

hire somebody to a fascinate

55:24

him is what it technically what

55:26

they're saying what they're saying but I feel like

55:29

with this argument you could go you could

55:31

personally do it right

55:33

like it doesn't mean to be the name of the Secret Service agent

55:35

that comes to your house after this I'm

55:38

just saying I'm just saying that Joe

55:40

Biden can possibly according Trump's lawyer legally

55:42

shoot Donald Trump dead with a gun

55:45

like look and look Joe

55:47

Biden is probably gonna lose the election and

55:50

he's hella fucking old so he doesn't

55:52

have that many what do you have to lose here

55:57

they probably send him into prison he's so old Exactly.

56:00

No, it's not going to be four more years

56:02

for you. You got maybe like two and a

56:04

half years back. So like just shoot a big

56:06

swing for the rest of us. You

56:09

have immunity. Do you care about

56:11

this country, Joe Biden? Should we bleep a lot of

56:13

that or? I

56:15

mean, I think you're just repeating the legal arguments

56:18

that were made today before the Supreme Court of

56:20

the United States or just

56:22

pointing out. I'm just talking about the news,

56:24

which in fairness, they were skeptical about that

56:26

argument. OK, well, Amy Coney Barrett was not

56:29

sold that Trump, I

56:31

guess, in this case, would be able to

56:34

shoot his political. OK, well, addendum. Skeptically,

56:37

Joe Biden could

56:40

shoot Donald Trump dead with a gun. But don't I

56:42

don't we already have some pretty solid rules about

56:45

like the murder? The military can't just. That's

56:48

definitely US citizens, right? Like, I'm pretty sure that's already

56:50

like kind of off the table. But what if that

56:52

US citizen is corrupt? But what

56:54

this argument presupposes is. What?

56:56

What? This

56:59

feels like a good spot to wrap things up. That's

57:02

the perfect one. This article is one

57:04

of my favorite quotes. Molly,

57:07

you're wonderful. And

57:09

we are booked for January 6th. Emergency

57:13

recording, even if everything's fine, nothing

57:16

happens. He's fine recording. Michelle Obama

57:18

wins. That's the I hope we

57:20

have a better day. We fix this time. I

57:23

do, too. I I wish that for all of

57:25

us. I will say in

57:27

the context of, you know, watching all these crowd control munitions

57:29

get shot off today, I want I want to say I've

57:31

said it before. I'll say it again. I've

57:33

been to a lot of protests where the crowd control

57:35

munitions come out. The only time

57:37

I have ever seen them used correctly, where

57:40

you fire them at an upward angle and

57:42

not into the crowd, the only time I've ever seen

57:44

a crowd control munitions shot off properly

57:47

was at January 6th. Yeah, we

57:50

were firing with people's heads. I saw

57:52

you were going to say that's interesting.

57:54

Also, I think it was you made

57:57

a point yesterday. Today,

57:59

Molly about. about the non-lethal

58:01

methods at these programs. They

58:03

call them less than lethals, but that's the

58:05

wrong name. They are less lethal. They

58:08

can still kill you if you fire them at

58:10

someone's face, head, or throat. They

58:13

can and do kill people. They blind people.

58:16

Millions of dollars were paid out in settlements in 2020

58:18

to like a dozen people that were blinded. They

58:21

are not non-lethal weapons. If somebody is

58:24

pointing a beanbag launcher, a pepper ball,

58:26

a rubber bullet launcher at you, don't

58:29

think it won't hurt. Don't think it can't

58:31

permanently maim you or kill you. Do you

58:33

remember in 2020 during the uprising in Portland,

58:35

that photograph that went around a

58:37

guy who was, thank God, wearing a helmet,

58:40

a smoke grenade was launched at the back of his head

58:43

and it lodged in his helmet. It

58:45

still broke the skin. Like he had to go to

58:47

the hospital. He had an injury. He had a brain

58:49

injury, but it was lodged all the way in his

58:51

helmet. It's not a non-lethal

58:54

weapon. It sounds pretty lethal to me if you hadn't been

58:56

wearing that helmet. I'm the depressing... Sorry,

58:58

I just whined. We had like kind

59:00

of a high note to end it on and

59:03

we brought it down. We brought the vibe down.

59:05

But I'm going to bring it back up by

59:07

getting the opportunity to tell our listeners where they

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all a new thing. You can find

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59:25

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59:28

I'm out here posting. Out

59:30

there. Post

59:33

a good site. I don't know. You're all

59:35

over. You're working really hard. And

59:37

thank you for taking the time to join us. This was

59:40

a good conversation. Yeah, thanks for having me. When

59:42

we picked this date, I was really hoping that the news this week

59:44

would be like more fun. Yeah.

59:47

And like there were like a few days ago, like I

59:50

guess it's appropriate. But it's maybe

59:52

there'll be like really funny news this week, but

59:54

there wasn't. Apparently that Trump

59:57

and Biden can kill each other apparently.

1:00:01

I mean, it'd be amazing for ratings. Oh, yeah. I

1:00:03

mean, it's gonna be... It would be. It would be a huge news

1:00:05

day. Big TV year. All right. All

1:00:08

right. You're out of here. It's

1:00:10

all right. Okay. But

1:00:12

hey, I'm gonna say this with sincerity because I mean it. Okay.

1:00:16

Everybody at home. All right. Yeah.

1:00:19

And everybody here too. Uh-huh. We

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love you very much. Mm-hmm. Hey,

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hey, hey, hey. Globally,

1:00:27

humans are facing massive problems that are

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widely ignored by governments and the media.

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to another round of Bored Room

1:00:59

or Miro Board. Today we talk

1:01:02

retrospectives with agile coach Maria. Let's

1:01:04

go. First question. You've spent

1:01:06

two hours in a team retro, but the only

1:01:08

input you've heard is Dave. Bored

1:01:10

Room or Miro Board? Bored Room. In

1:01:12

Miro, Dave can't have the space because

1:01:15

everyone can add thoughts anonymously. Online at

1:01:17

the same time. Correct. Next.

1:01:20

You seem to seem to act on feedback

1:01:23

fast. So you turn all those retro notes

1:01:25

into Jira tasks instantly. Miro all

1:01:27

the way. And I can assign

1:01:29

those tasks to teammates. You're nailing

1:01:31

this. Now. You

1:01:33

see hundreds of sticky notes from the retro.

1:01:35

A real mess. But you organize them

1:01:37

into five themes in just seconds. Miro,

1:01:40

I basically get back an entire hour when

1:01:42

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