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Welcome to Somebody

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You Love or The Sale Of Two

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Titties. I'm Jenna love.

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And I'm Holly Harte.

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And we're experts in

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disappointing our parents

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breaching community guidelines,

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and banging the people who vote

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against our rights.

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Before we begin, we'd like to start by acknowledging the traditional

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owners of the land on which

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we're recording today, which for

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me is the Ngunnawal people.

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And for me is the

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Darug and Gundungurra people.

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We'd like to acknowledge that if

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you are listening to this

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podcast, in so-called Australia,

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that sovereignty was never

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ceded.

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We also want to make it clear up front that we can only speak from our own

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experiences. The sex working

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community is wonderfully

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diverse. And as white cis women,

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we have a lot of privileges

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within the industry, we can't

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speak on behalf of our peers who

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find themselves facing more

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severe stigma and discrimination

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than we do.

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It is our hope that

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by creating this podcast, we are

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able to help humanise sex

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workers. And eventually, if

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anyone even listens to us, we

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can provide a platform to share

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the voices that represent the

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diversity of the sex worker

1:06

community,

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we will be

1:07

discussing adult topics. So this

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podcast may not be suitable for

1:09

those under the age of 18. And

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today, as you can tell from the

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title, we're talking bodily

1:16

functions, so there will be talk

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of bodily fluids, and some

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general things people might find

1:19

a bit gross. Here we go!

1:26

We're going to talk

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about some of the logistics of

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sex work. Because the reality is

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that we do use and rely on our

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bodies for work, and often in

1:33

pretty intimate ways. Before

1:39

addressing this topic, though, I

1:39

just want to talk about the kind

1:41

of concept of sex workers

1:41

selling our bodies. I mean,

1:45

first up, we're not selling

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anything like it's a rental

1:48

agreement at best.

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I like that.

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Obviously, we do use our bodies,

1:54

but we obviously use our mind,

1:54

probably more.

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Yeah, I think so.

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heaps. There are

1:59

other professions that use and

2:02

rely on their bodies, you know,

2:02

athletes, miners, construction,

2:07

even office work and put a

2:07

strain on your body in various

2:10

ways. And you still have to turn

2:10

up and be there with your body,

2:13

you know. So it's a really

2:13

reductive thing to say that we

2:16

sell our bodies because we use

2:16

them as part of our labour. And

2:20

definitely our mind, you know,

2:20

as we've discussed on our last

2:23

show, compassion and caring, and

2:23

all of that sort of stuff, as

2:27

well as the administrative side.

2:27

And, you know, the way that we

2:31

approach people when they

2:31

contact us, even from the first

2:33

message is engaging our brains.

2:33

So yeah, it's very limiting to

2:36

say we just sell our bodies.

2:38

Definitely,

2:38

actually, I was just listening

2:40

to ABCs The Drum. That was on

2:40

last night, this is Saturday. So

2:45

it was on Friday night, because

2:45

Bella Green was on it.

2:47

She's so good.

2:49

She's great. And

2:49

they were talking about sex

2:52

work, obviously. And so the way

2:52

the programme sort of works is

2:57

they get everyone that's on the

2:57

panel to chat about each topic.

3:00

So Bella, obviously was the

3:00

main, the main interviewee for

3:03

that section. But they spoke to

3:03

everyone else about it as well.

3:07

And there was a surgeon and, and

3:07

she was sort of talking about

3:11

how she spends her life treating

3:11

people, for injuries and for for

3:17

bodies that have broken down as

3:17

a result of what they do with

3:20

their body, which for most

3:20

people is, is work. And we all

3:24

have all these injuries. And she

3:24

was she was Yeah, brought up

3:27

that she doesn't know why, you

3:27

know, sex workers are sort of

3:31

denigrated for, you know,

3:31

putting their bodies at risk or

3:36

using their bodies. And it was

3:36

really nice to hear that from a

3:40

non sex worker, a medical

3:40

professional. That's very

3:43

refreshing. Yeah, very cool. do

3:43

recommend checking out the end

3:47

of the episode. And I also just

3:47

think that the idea that you

3:51

know, our bodies, are sold to

3:51

somebody, and that's inherently

3:55

bad is like, that sort of

3:55

suggests that it means that

3:59

somehow we're giving our bodies

3:59

away by doing this job, and that

4:04

we're giving ownership of our

4:04

bodies away. And it's like the

4:07

idea that somebody owns our

4:07

body, because they've put their

4:11

dick in it is some really

4:11

patriarchal, arse bullshit. Like

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that's

4:16

very well said,

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it doesn't make any sense to me.

4:20

I agree. Look, so

4:20

obviously, no, we don't sell our

4:24

bodies. But we do use them along

4:24

with our minds to do our job.

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And that means that there's a

4:27

lot of practical things that we

4:30

need to deal with in order to go

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to work.

4:32

So bodily functions.

4:32

First up is something that I get

4:38

asked about by a lot of women

4:38

who aren't in the industry,

4:41

civilians, or civvies, as as we

4:41

like to call them. And the thing

4:47

is, a lot of sex workers have

4:47

uteruses...uteri... uterusus I

4:54

believe is the plural.

4:57

Uteri.

4:59

Uteri. And a lot of

4:59

those uteruses shed their lining

5:03

on the reg. So periods are

5:03

something that many, not all,

5:08

but many sex workers have to

5:08

manage. And there's a few

5:11

different ways we can do this. Yeah, there's quite a variety of

5:14

options. Obviously, there are a

5:18

few workers who take time off,

5:18

particularly when there's, you

5:21

know, pain issues and things

5:21

like that. Some will take a week

5:25

off work once a month, or at

5:25

least the first couple of days

5:28

while they're in a fair bit of p

5:28

ain which really causes issues

5:32

with their plans Or even just when it's a heavier

5:33

flow at the start.

5:36

all those sorts of

5:36

things that come up. Yeah, look,

5:39

it's it obviously, would

5:39

massively affect their

5:42

potential income and their

5:42

planning. And just, I mean,

5:47

that's a lot of money to you to lose over a year.

5:49

I mean, yeah, it's a quarter of the year, isn't it?

5:51

It's, it's a lot. Yeah.

5:53

And then there are

5:53

some of us who skip our periods.

5:57

And that's, I think, applies to

5:57

you, and I. Holly you're not,

6:01

you're also not a fan of

6:01

menstruating, are you?

6:03

It's not for me,

6:03

no, if I can have the option, I

6:06

do avoid it. So I haven't had a

6:06

period in over 8 years, I have

6:13

the Implanon rod in my arm,

6:13

which I get changed out every

6:17

three years, I know there's

6:17

quite a lot of men listening who

6:19

probably don't understand it.

6:19

And I'm not going to explain it

6:23

in the deepest levels. But

6:23

basically, every three years, I

6:26

go and get this little hormonal

6:26

rod removed and replaced in my

6:31

arm. And that releases a small

6:31

amount of contraception over

6:35

that period which basically

6:35

means that I think 20% of people

6:40

that get this rod don't get

6:40

periods anymore. But it's a

6:44

thing. It's 99.99%, like, it's

6:44

extremely, you know, strong

6:49

contraceptive or reliable

6:49

contraceptive. So, yeah, that's

6:54

how I mitigate my period risk.

6:54

How about yourself?

6:58

Yeah, so I also I

6:58

mean, I have, I will have the

7:01

occasional period. But again, I

7:01

haven't had regular periods

7:07

since I was a teenager, I have

7:07

the Implanon as well. And I also

7:12

am on The Pill, and I skip the

7:12

sugar pills, which are, so when

7:16

you get a packet of the pill,

7:16

there are placebos in there. And

7:19

that's what you're supposed to

7:19

take during the time when you

7:22

get your period. And then you go

7:22

back onto the actual medication

7:25

for the rest of the time. So I

7:25

don't take those those sugar

7:29

pills.

7:29

So that sounds a

7:29

little bit fussy. Why? Why is

7:32

that something that works for you?

7:35

Why do I have both?

7:36

Yeah.

7:38

Partly because I'm

7:38

absolutely terrified of

7:42

developing a foetus inside me

7:45

Valid, yeah.

7:45

I use the Implanon

7:45

and the pill, and I use condoms,

7:49

because I just want all of the

7:49

contraception that I can

7:53

possibly have. Yeah. And that's

7:53

a bit and it also became when I

7:57

started working as a sex worker.

7:57

I was like, it's also really

8:00

handy to just not have periods.

8:00

Yeah. And for me the Implanon--

8:04

the first time I had an Implanon

8:04

it pretty much got rid of my

8:07

periods for two years, similar

8:07

to what you have. Yeah, but then

8:10

the second time I got one that

8:10

didn't happen. It seems super

8:13

hit and miss. And I know for

8:13

some, some people who use it,

8:17

like 20% or something as well, I

8:17

think have like constant

8:20

bleeding and ha ve massive

8:20

issues so it's very--

8:23

I have heard of that. Sounds like a nightmare--

8:24

Very different depending on the person.

8:25

Okay, that's interesting.

8:27

So, yeah. And a lot

8:27

of people, including doctors

8:33

would question why I was using

8:33

both.

8:37

Yeah.

8:38

And sort of suggest

8:38

that perhaps it wasn't good for

8:40

me to have that much oestrogen

8:40

in my body and particularly with

8:43

skipping the sugar pills as

8:43

well. And then about two years

8:47

ago, I found out that I have

8:47

endometriosis. Which is a

8:51

situation where you get uterine

8:51

cells growing outside of the

8:56

uterus. It's a whole-- it's a

8:56

whole thing. And surprisingly

9:00

quite common

9:00

more common than

9:00

people think. Yeah, I've got a

9:03

lot of friends who are in that

9:03

horrible boat.

9:05

Yeah, so yeah, I

9:05

discovered that I had that and

9:08

that was through going to see a

9:08

gynaecologist and she actually

9:12

said to me that I had been

9:12

smashing it because the the sort

9:17

of the non invasive treatment

9:17

that they suggest for

9:23

endometriosis is actually to

9:23

pump your body with as much

9:26

oestrogen as possible.

9:27

So coincidentally

9:27

had been doing the right thing.

9:30

Yeah,

9:31

yeah, I had been

9:31

doing the right thing. And at

9:34

that point, so I mean, that was

9:34

a good 20 years since I first

9:38

got my period. Yeah, no,

9:38

slightly less but I'd

9:42

potentially been actually

9:42

staving off the endometriosis

9:45

and at that point, when I went

9:45

to see her we discovered it and

9:48

I had to have surgery. But what

9:48

they, you know, she suggested

9:53

that I quite possibly had

9:53

actually, um yeah, kept it kept

9:57

it at bay for ages. Made me feel

9:57

good.

10:00

Yeah.

10:01

And they also recommend people skipping the sugar pills.

10:04

Yeah, I mean, that's something I was advised to do by a few doctors before I

10:06

went on Implanon. And but you

10:09

know, back when I was on the

10:09

pill, I was one of those people

10:12

who was horribly unreliable at

10:12

remembering to take it anyway, I

10:15

was at a risk. But, you know,

10:15

some doctors said, Oh, no, it's

10:19

it's awful. And some doctors

10:19

said, No, it's absolutely benign

10:22

to just keep, you know, you

10:22

don't have to have a period for

10:26

most people anyway.

10:29

So like anything

10:29

relating to women and their

10:31

bodies, there's a hell of a lot

10:31

of misinformation out there,

10:34

including amongst the medical

10:34

profession.

10:37

100%. And there's

10:37

also a lot of things that we

10:40

still don't know. And that, you

10:40

know, science is still

10:43

clarifying, and particularly

10:43

around endometriosis. That's

10:47

something that seems to be very

10:47

under researched. So yes,

10:50

hopefully, we're getting some

10:50

clarity around that. So yeah,

10:54

not everyone can take hormonal

10:54

contraception for a multitude of

10:59

reasons. It's not an option for

10:59

everyone.

11:01

Yeah, I mean, the

11:01

side effects can be incredibly

11:04

serious. So I'd say one of the

11:04

most common options that I hear

11:09

used in the industry is to use a

11:09

sponge. And essentially using a

11:13

sponge in this in this context

11:13

mean, you can get period

11:19

sponges, which are often also

11:19

called soft tampons. But you can

11:24

also use other other things if

11:24

you're in a bind. And basically,

11:28

it is basically a soft tampon,

11:28

you maybe wet it a little bit,

11:32

and you push it up inside

11:32

yourself, push it right up to

11:36

the top, and it it stops the

11:36

flow, basically. Have you used

11:40

sponges before?

11:41

I never have. I--

11:41

to me, sponges, were always such

11:45

a wild thing. Like what? Putting

11:45

a sponge in your vagina? I

11:49

always was so shocked by it, I--

11:49

look in a lot of ways I I've

11:54

grown up a fairly naive person.

11:54

And it was just I was

11:58

particularly entering the sex

11:58

industry, I was very alone in

12:01

that. And I remember my first or

12:01

my second brothel shift ever, I

12:07

was really nervous. And I

12:07

decided, you know, I couldn't do

12:10

it. So I called up and told them

12:10

I got my period. And they didn't

12:13

sort of tell me "Well, you could

12:13

actually use a sponge",

12:16

fortunately, because it was a

12:16

lie. And I was just trying to

12:18

get out of the shift. But it was

12:18

years later, when I was working

12:21

as a receptionist in a brothel,

12:21

that one of, you know, we sold

12:26

the girls, which is a whole, you

12:26

know, an issue I think that we

12:30

sold the girls

12:32

Let's get into that later

12:34

Yeah, yeah, rather

12:34

than providing them which would

12:36

be the right thing to do. But we

12:36

charge the, the, you know, the

12:40

staff or the workers to buy

12:40

sponges from the reception

12:43

counter. So I became more aware

12:43

of their function then. And

12:48

yeah, you know, it's because

12:48

I've been on and off in the sex

12:52

industry. And I've never really

12:52

been in it at a time when I was,

12:55

you know, having periods. It's

12:55

never been something I've had to

12:58

use. But I certainly worked in a

12:58

brothel on reception and had

13:02

workers come to me and say, Oh,

13:02

my God, Holly, I can't get this

13:05

out. Can you help me? Which was

13:05

a new, a new thing.

13:12

So one brothel that

13:12

I worked at didn't have proper

13:17

sponges, sponges that are

13:17

designed for that purpose. They

13:21

had a, you know, one of those

13:21

like big yellow car wash

13:25

sponges. I don't know if that's

13:25

just an Aussie thing. Or if it's

13:28

just a thing my dad used growing

13:28

up, but they had one of those in

13:31

the cupboard. And if you got

13:31

desperate, you could tear off a

13:34

piece. Which I'm sure isn't, you

13:34

know, hygienic or healthy. But

13:39

when you get desperate, you got

13:39

to you know, you got to do what

13:42

you got to do.

13:43

I mean, it's not

13:43

that big a deal. But for a

13:45

brothel that seems

13:46

Yeah, brothel

13:46

stories. Let's cover that later.

13:49

Yeah. Wow.

13:50

You would, you would

13:50

think-- there's a lot of things

13:52

you would think

13:52

You would reallyg nk they'd go to a little bit more effort to prepare for the

13:54

workers., but wow they've just

13:57

got like a car sponge. There you

13:57

go guys. Good luck, you know. A

14:00

Yep and you just tear a bit off

14:02

There's a little

14:02

bit of vegetable oil for lube as

14:05

well if you want. I mean, it

14:05

just feels so disorganised. Wow.

14:10

Because they usually

14:10

have vegetable oil laying around

14:13

in brothels.

14:14

Oh look the things

14:14

you find in brothels that other

14:17

than what you actually need

14:18

That's true

14:19

there's all sorts of chaos.

14:21

That's very true.

14:22

Yeah, it was it was

14:22

really sweet having workers come

14:25

to me and sort of say that they

14:25

needed help removing a sponge.

14:28

It's a lot of trust to come to

14:28

someone and say, "Hi, I'm having

14:31

a hard time getting that out of

14:31

me. Can you help me? Can you

14:34

help me" and I was always Yes.

14:36

Because it can be quite difficult.

14:37

It's Yeah, I've heard it sort of--

14:39

I've done a few a few removals

14:41

Extractions. But

14:41

yeah, it's a big trust building

14:45

exercise and not really a big

14:45

deal at the end of the day.

14:48

Look, it's a normal human bodily

14:48

function. And yeah

14:52

Yeah, I mean, I have

14:52

used sponges because even though

14:55

I use the two contraceptives,

14:55

often or not often, but maybe

14:59

once a year I'll forget to take

14:59

my pill for a day. And then I'm

15:03

like, "Oh, well, I'll just let

15:03

it happen." And every time I

15:06

then regret it, I'm like, "why

15:06

did I think that? Why? Why am I

15:10

having a period" and I feel

15:10

quite-- look, this is going into

15:14

a different subject, but I feel

15:14

quite disconnected from my

15:17

reproductive parts. Yeah, I'm

15:17

somebody I'm very comfortable

15:21

with my gender and with my my

15:21

sexuality, but the fact that I

15:25

can grow a foetus makes me

15:25

huergh, feel very, very

15:29

uncomfortable. So having a

15:29

period reminds me of that. And I

15:32

just, I just don't, yeah, it's

15:32

not a good time. But as a

15:36

result, I have occasionally had

15:36

to use a sponge, or I have

15:38

chosen to use a sponge. I don't

15:38

have to, of course, and I found

15:41

them really great. I did have

15:41

one that went flying out of me,

15:47

which was pretty funny. I didn't

15:47

actually notice. And the client

15:51

was like, "oh, Jenna, I think

15:51

your sponge is on there." And I

15:56

was like, "ah!", I looked down

15:56

and there was a sponge on the

15:59

bed. And obviously I was

15:59

embarrased

16:01

that's very intimate.

16:02

It is very intimate.

16:02

This is it. And I've had a few

16:05

that have felt it with their

16:05

fingers when they've been

16:07

fishing around up there. I think

16:07

I've got quite a short vaginal

16:10

canal so the good thing about

16:10

that is I can get them out

16:14

easily. I've never had issues

16:14

with them getting lost up around

16:17

there. And some of my friends

16:17

vaginal canals seem to go on

16:21

forever when I've been fishing

16:21

around them trying to get it

16:24

out. But I've not had that

16:24

issue. And it has meant the

16:27

clients have sort of been up to feel it.

16:28

I've heard that

16:28

mine goes right up to the left.

16:32

They go either side

16:33

Yeah. I went for

16:33

pap tests. My doctor, sometimes

16:37

has gone "I cannot find the end

16:37

of it." And I'm like, it's

16:40

right. And she's got to take a

16:40

sharp left. It's a journey. Yes.

16:45

Okay, alright, interesting

16:46

Is that TMI? I don't know if that's -- we're talking about periods

16:49

No, definitely not.

16:49

We'll have to get a doctor on at

16:51

some point.

16:52

Yeah, we will. So

16:52

that's a plus that yours is

16:55

accessible.

16:55

Yeah. So yeah, I

16:55

have had clients, you know,

16:58

notice that I've that I've been

16:58

using one or but you know,

17:01

notice, because it's literally

17:01

there in front of them.

17:04

Yeah

17:04

most of the time

17:04

they don't have that experience.

17:08

But every--I've been quite

17:08

lucky, because every single time

17:10

that's happened, the client has

17:10

been like, "it's completely

17:13

fine".

17:14

Yeah.

17:15

"I understand

17:15

that--that women menstruate

17:17

like, yeah, it's cool, man",

17:19

you're a human being.

17:20

And I'm a little bit

17:20

embarrassed. But I'm also like,

17:22

"Well, yeah, that's it, man.

17:22

Yeah, that is what happens."

17:26

Yeah. And the final

17:26

option is to do nothing. You can

17:29

just go with the flow, you could

17:29

even charge extra for that sort

17:32

of thing. Everything's a kink, you know?

17:34

Absolutely. And, you

17:34

know, this is also--the subject

17:37

of periods is also something

17:37

that comes up when we have

17:41

female clients. I really don't

17:41

understand why sponges and other

17:47

solutions aren't more common and

17:47

known about in the civilian

17:51

world. And I guess, I mean, you

17:51

were one of the people who

17:54

didn't know about them, either.

17:54

I've had so many--

17:58

I was shocked.

17:58

Yeah, well, I've had

17:58

so many female clients, sort of

18:02

text me the day before or the

18:02

day of the booking and say, "Oh,

18:06

my God, Jenna, I've just got my

18:06

period" or "my periods lasting

18:08

longer than I than it normally

18:08

does. And I'm really stressed.

18:12

And do you have any? What do you

18:12

guys do when you get your

18:15

period?" You know? And I've been

18:15

like, "okay, yeah, no worries,

18:19

here you go, these are some

18:19

options, I've got a bag full of

18:22

sponges, I'll bring one with me,

18:22

I can help you put it in and

18:25

take it out if you need. But

18:25

also, you know, I'll bring my

18:29

black towels. So we can put

18:29

those down. So you don't have to

18:32

sort of worry about, you know,

18:32

anything, seeing anything that

18:35

might embarrass you. And also,

18:35

I'm fine with it. Because I am

18:43

aware that you might bleed. And

18:43

that's cool."

18:45

I also had a female

18:45

client who was a little bit

18:47

awkward about that. And she'd

18:47

experienced some spotting. And,

18:51

you know, she'd had other issues

18:51

where she'd felt really

18:54

embarrassed when seeing sex

18:54

workers in that position. And I

18:57

said, "it's just not really a

18:57

big deal." Like it's if it's not

18:59

a heavy, if we're not going to

18:59

be doing sort of a horror scene

19:02

looking scenario and it's just,

19:02

you know, a little bit of

19:05

spotting and things like that...

19:05

We'll work with it. It'll be

19:08

fine. You know, she offered to

19:08

use a sponge and all that sort

19:11

of stuff. And you know, it's--

19:11

I've done-- i'm sure I've dealt

19:14

with more unique situations,

19:14

than a very normal bodily

19:18

function.

19:19

Exactly.

19:19

You know, as long

19:19

as you're hygienic. That's not a

19:22

big deal. Yeah,

19:23

yeah.

19:24

Let's move on to

19:24

butt stuff.

19:26

Woo butt stuff! So

19:26

what kind of butt stuff do you

19:30

tend to come across in your work, Holly?

19:32

I mainly do things

19:32

with other people's butts-- I'm

19:35

not a butt person. I'm actually

19:35

a butt virgin, believe it or

19:38

not. I have never had butt sex.

19:38

I've been saving for marriage.

19:44

Wait are you actually?

19:46

I swear on my life. Yeah.

19:50

You're hysterical

19:51

Okay, I am I-- oh,

19:51

gosh, I feel a little bit... uhh

19:57

a little bit coy at the moment,

19:57

a little bit shy?

20:00

Oh a bit vulnerable?

20:02

I find it--Yeah, a

20:02

little bit vulnerable, I find

20:05

butt stuff really big like it's

20:05

a big deal. I only have a very

20:11

little, little, tiny little tiny

20:11

butthole. And I find it quite,

20:16

quite frightening. So I figure

20:16

if I'm gonna go through that

20:20

journey of trust, it's, I think

20:20

with butt stuff it takes a lot

20:23

of trust in someone else. I'm

20:23

going to do that with the man

20:27

who wants to put a ring on this

20:27

finger. So that--

20:29

Beautiful. You'll

20:29

let him engage with your ring.

20:33

or something. There's a joke in

20:33

there about rings.

20:35

Yes, yes! We'll put a ring on each of our appendages. Yeah, absolutely. So

20:37

I feel really, really weird for

20:42

having that thing but that's

20:42

just my thing. Yeah, I don't

20:47

mind the odd you know, butt

20:47

attention on me. But ahh yeah

20:50

I'm not a massive fan of it. I

20:50

definitely will explore someone

20:56

else's butt though. I can do a

20:56

mean fisting on someone else's

21:00

butt -- I get all sorts of, you

21:00

know, butt plugs. Yes. We've

21:05

done a holding hand fisting.

21:07

Oh, yeah. That was

21:07

romantic. That was romance, come

21:11

on.

21:11

That was romantic.

21:11

Yeah, that was true friendship,

21:14

holding hands and fisting someone at the same time.

21:17

Oh and to be clear,

21:17

the held hands were inside the

21:21

rectum. It wasn't our other

21:21

hands we were holding.

21:24

Yeah, it was very

21:24

special. So yeah, I don't mind,

21:28

you know, doing a bit of butt

21:28

stuff on other people. How about

21:31

you? What's your butt situation?

21:33

Yeah, I also do get

21:33

involved in other people's

21:37

butts. But they also get

21:37

involved in mine. And you know

21:42

what my view is that if you are

21:42

old enough to want to put things

21:47

in my ass, then you are old

21:47

enough to realise that that's

21:50

where poop lives. And if you go

21:50

knocking on Pooh's door, don't

21:54

be surprised when Pooh is home -

21:54

like that's where he lives mate.

21:57

I feel the same

21:57

about it. I've heard people ask

22:01

about, you know, enemas and all

22:01

that sort of thing. And I

22:04

totally, you know, support

22:04

people doing that it's good for

22:07

them. And, you know, I get that

22:07

that's a big thing for a lot of

22:10

people -- preparing for butt

22:10

stuff.

22:12

Definitely. Definitely.

22:13

But I think look,

22:13

if you go poking around, but you

22:17

got to expect some some some

22:17

poop and I don't love it-- It's

22:21

not what I'm looking for. I'm

22:21

not going to burn the house

22:25

down. You know, I've obviously

22:25

prepared a sterile situation for

22:29

that, you know, eventuality. So

22:29

yeah, so like I said, there's a

22:34

few different things you can do

22:34

in preparation. You know, people

22:38

eat certain things. Look, the

22:38

most important step, which

22:42

everyone should take is just

22:42

washing your butt. I can't say

22:45

this, like enough. Let's say it

22:45

like 10 times in a row repeated

22:48

after me, write lines right now,

22:48

please, everyone listening, wash

22:52

your butt. It is so overlooked.

22:52

Grab a little bit of soap on

23:00

your hand, reach back there and

23:00

give it a good scrub. Because a

23:03

lot of people I think just let

23:03

the water run down there.

23:05

And you might have

23:05

to touch it. That's --

23:07

you might have to touch your butt

23:10

I wonder if it's

23:10

because people are afraid to

23:12

touch it. Maybe they think it

23:12

makes them gay or something

23:15

fucking ridiculous.

23:17

I just don't know

23:17

whether people are like, taught

23:19

as children how to wash

23:19

themselves properly--

23:22

particularly penises and all of

23:22

that sort of stuff.

23:25

I wasn't

23:25

I wasn't and I you

23:25

know, I think yeah, it's

23:28

something probably people don't even realise that their butts are so dirty. So it's really

23:29

important. Just a little bit of

23:34

soap. Give it a quick scrub. Oh,

23:34

beautiful. That's an exciting,

23:38

inviting, butt. Every sex worker

23:38

out there has had to deal with a

23:43

client turning up who have just

23:43

had a shower and they clearly

23:47

haven't washed their butts. You

23:47

go "oh, God help me."

23:50

You can visually see

23:50

it is what we're saying. And

23:52

we've all had at least one

23:52

client who has left skid marks

23:57

on the bedsheets.

23:58

Yeah.

23:59

Like if you're a sex

23:59

worker, and you haven't had that

24:01

happen, I'm sorry to tell you

24:01

that it is on its way. It will

24:05

happen to you.

24:06

It's on its way.

24:06

It's so embarrassing. I've

24:08

scrambled to pull sheets off the

24:08

bed sometimes and I've said "Oh

24:12

god I'm embarrassed for them."

24:12

And I'm talked about it with

24:14

friends and they've gone "No,

24:14

let them suffer."

24:17

Yeah no I always

24:17

cover it up. I hope they don't

24:20

notice because I don't want them

24:20

to have to deal with the shame

24:23

of that which they shouldn't

24:23

have to feel shame about. But I

24:26

mean, if they haven't, of

24:26

course, if we're doing butt

24:29

stuff yet then they shouldn't

24:29

feel shame about it. But if we

24:31

aren't doing butt stuff I don't

24:31

understand why poop is leaving

24:34

your body.

24:36

Yeah, if you just

24:36

have a generally grubby butt

24:39

it's not great.

24:39

Grubby butt!

24:40

We've just shoved

24:40

you in the shower, you know, rub

24:42

behind your ears, rub your butt,

24:42

pull back your foreskin, give

24:46

everything a quick freshen up.

24:46

We've just spent two hours

24:48

getting ready for you, you know,

24:48

just meet us halfway, you know,

24:51

not asking much.

24:52

And I mean, it's not

24:52

well, it's still not pleasant

24:55

for you.

24:55

Yeah, for me, it's

24:55

not too stressful. And I guess

24:59

one the reasons I'm such a big

24:59

fan of, you know doing things to

25:02

other people's butts is I don't

25:02

have a sense of smell. So I was

25:06

born without it, which is called

25:06

congenital anosmia. So I have

25:12

never smelt poop before. So to

25:12

me poop is just not appealing to

25:16

look at. I've never smelt it, don't know what it's like so...

25:18

I've never so lucky,

25:18

Holly, the world smells

25:20

disgusting. You are so lucky.

25:23

People used to tell me that when I worked in a brothel, they were like, "you

25:25

are so lucky that you don't have

25:29

to smell certain bodily things

25:29

with with some of the clients.

25:32

And maybe that's why you love

25:32

the job so much". And I was

25:34

like, "I think that's a lot more

25:34

to why I love this job, than my

25:38

lack of sense of smell", but it

25:38

definitely I think makes certain

25:41

things easier. And you know,

25:41

it's beautiful. I've had clients

25:44

turn up and they're like, I went

25:44

to so much trouble to not eat

25:46

this today. So you wouldn't have

25:46

to smell it on my breath. I did

25:49

this activity and I had washed

25:49

really well. And I was like, "oh

25:52

God babe, turn up stinking I do

25:52

not care. As long as you're

25:54

clean, you know, eat the garlic,

25:54

you know, go to work with paint

25:58

fumes, or whatever it is,

25:58

because I won't even know".

26:01

They're really cute about it.

26:02

what you're saying

26:02

is I should send all my smelly

26:04

clients to you

26:05

send them to me.

26:05

Now I don't mind a smelly person

26:09

as long as they're clean. No

26:09

worries. What about you any any

26:13

little niche stories here?

26:15

Oh, actually, it's

26:15

not super, I don't know, if it's

26:18

related. Might go on a bit of a

26:18

tangent bear with me, we'll cut

26:22

it out if it's terrible. But

26:22

this made me think about -- as

26:27

part of one of my hobbies that I

26:27

do outside of the sex industry.

26:34

I'm trying to how do I describe

26:34

it without giving away all the

26:36

details of it! Basically,

26:36

there's, there's a whole bunch

26:39

of people around and it involves

26:39

a fair bit of standing around

26:42

and chatting and whatever and a

26:42

bit of downtime. So I was just

26:46

sitting at a desk. And right

26:46

next to me, there was a little

26:51

group of people having a chat

26:51

and one of the women there-- her

26:55

day job is as a nurse. And they

26:55

were all just standing around

27:00

talking about her work. And they

27:00

were sort of they were saying

27:04

"Do you have to like, you know,

27:04

do people wee themselves

27:07

sometimes? Do you have to deal

27:07

with, with poop and with vomit

27:10

and all that sort of stuff?" And

27:10

she was going "Yep, yep, that's

27:14

all part of the job". And they

27:14

were like, "Oh, my God," and

27:18

they were sort of saying, you

27:18

know, nurses, nurses do not get

27:21

paid enough. Nurses don't get

27:21

enough respect. Like, that's

27:24

amazing that you do that. Like,

27:24

and, and I agree with everything

27:29

they're saying. There's nothing

27:29

wrong with that conversation.

27:34

But I had a real 'Poor me'

27:34

moment, because I was just

27:37

sitting there going... No one

27:37

says that about sex workers. I

27:42

deal with vomit and poop and

27:42

blood. And we and you know, I

27:46

have clients who aren't able to

27:46

go to the bathroom, and I have

27:50

to get a bottle out and help

27:50

them do that. Like, and, and I

27:54

just, and yeah, I mean, I don't

27:54

want to take anything away from

27:57

nurses, obviously. But it was

27:57

just this real, you know, all

28:02

these people know what I do for

28:02

a job as well. And I just was

28:06

like, No one's going to have

28:06

that conversation with me.

28:10

No.

28:10

And it made me a bit sad

28:11

They have no idea

28:11

that you actually deal with that

28:14

extreme-- that extremity of

28:14

bodily function.

28:17

Yeah. And it's not

28:17

like every day, obviously, which

28:20

it probably is a lot more common

28:20

for nurses.

28:23

Yeah yeah yeah

28:24

And we also on top

28:24

of that, have to try and act

28:28

sexy through it, you know, which

28:28

is an added complication.

28:33

If we have to do

28:33

the stern and nurse routine

28:35

that's like, that's a domme

28:35

thing, that's extra.

28:38

That-- ooh that is extra,

28:40

Beyond just simple

28:40

washing, like I was mentioning

28:43

before, some people like to

28:43

douce before anal. Neither of us

28:47

are experts at all in that so

28:47

we're not going to go into it.

28:50

But preparation for receiving

28:50

anal play can range from a few

28:54

seconds to multiple days.

28:56

Yeah, I have a

28:56

friend who works in the industry

28:59

who she does the full enima

28:59

experience -- she eats a liquid

29:03

diet for 48 hours before an anal

29:03

booking, which is mind blowing

29:09

to me because you couldn't pay

29:09

me enough to have a liquid diet

29:12

for two days. And you know, she

29:12

charges accordingly - her rates

29:17

for anal bookings are quite high

29:17

and justifiably so. And you

29:21

know, most sex workers who do

29:21

offer anal on them or anal play,

29:26

they do charge extra for it and

29:26

they require advance notice

29:29

because even if they are a

29:29

quicker preparer, you know, it's

29:33

still not something that you can

29:33

just sort of throw on someone.

29:39

So what do you do

29:39

to prepare?

29:41

Well, I actually

29:41

don't do any prep for anal, like

29:45

none at all. I mean, I like I

29:45

try to eat well and I have

29:48

showers obviously.

29:49

Yeah.

29:50

But beyond that, I

29:50

don't do any anal-specific

29:53

preparation. But at the same

29:53

time, it's also something I've

29:57

never guaranteed, anal sex in

29:57

bookings, my body is not at all

30:03

predictable enough for that.

30:03

I've never guaranteed anything

30:05

in bookings really, you know,

30:05

it's something that happens when

30:09

things feel right. And it

30:09

doesn't if they don't, which I

30:12

think is really the reality of a

30:12

lot of sex work and a lot of sex

30:15

in general. Yeah, you know,

30:15

we're not robots, we can't just

30:18

make our bodies do things on

30:18

cue. So often, we have to adapt

30:24

around that, whether it be

30:24

periods, whether it be IBS, or

30:28

whatever it is, and so does the

30:28

client. Because the client has

30:32

booked a human, being not a

30:32

robot. And that's what they're

30:36

getting.

30:36

And then there's all the other little things that like to pop up just before

30:38

booking when someone may be

30:40

about to spend the next hour

30:40

looking at and touching every

30:43

inch of your body.

30:45

And you like you

30:45

just know that if you say slice

30:48

your finger and you you've got

30:48

to whack a big, ugly bandaid on

30:52

it, that the very next client

30:52

you have is going to be one

30:55

that's obsessed with hands for

30:55

whatever reason, and spends the

30:58

entire hour 10 centimetres away

30:58

from your like manky Band Aid

31:01

finger.

31:03

Hand! I've sliced

31:03

myself down there before with a

31:06

razor and I've sort of got --

31:06

not close enough to cancel --

31:09

but enough that I go "aw I'll

31:09

put a bandaid on so I'm

31:11

covering" and, you know, that's

31:11

really

31:14

And you spread your legs and you've got a big band-aid there! You know that

31:15

that next client is going to be

31:18

the one that's obsessed with cunnilingus though.

31:20

Yeah, it's just

31:20

Murphy's Law, isn't it?

31:22

Yeah.

31:23

So I'm a farter. So

31:23

basically, this is a running

31:29

joke with a lot of my clients.

31:31

This is why we're friends.

31:32

Yeah. It's a

31:32

running joke with a lot of my

31:35

clients. I generally-- look I'm

31:35

not gonna say I do it every

31:37

booking --but if you've seen me

31:37

for like a year or two, I've

31:41

probably farted in a booking and

31:41

we've both laughed about it, or

31:44

you've never come back. Because

31:44

that's just me, especially when

31:49

I'm really aroused and I'm

31:49

bearing down down there is a lot

31:52

of pressure. Sometimes a fart

31:52

slips out. I'm sorry, I'm human.

31:56

What can I say? I try to be

31:56

sexy, I try to present the best

32:00

virgin. virgin? I'm not a

32:00

virgin! The best version of

32:03

myself but sometimes I fart

32:05

I fart so much. When

32:05

I orgasm farting it is like part

32:10

of the experience. Not always

32:10

but a lot of the time. And I

32:15

think it makes perfect sense cos

32:15

we're like--you're spreading

32:17

your legs and bringing them back

32:17

together like you're letting air

32:21

in. And then, as you said,

32:21

bearing down when you come and

32:24

when you're experiencing a lot

32:24

of pleasure there's often like a

32:27

pushing down

32:28

Yup

32:28

So obviously that's

32:28

gonna happen. And I find like

32:31

sex farts I think are different

32:31

to normal farts. You probably

32:35

don't know but they don't smell

32:35

because they're just like an air

32:38

in and out situation. They're

32:38

not-- I don't know enough about

32:42

farts

32:42

My clients are too

32:42

charming to tell me if they do

32:44

smell so I'm grateful for that

32:44

at least.

32:47

But there's yeah, there's so many little things like you said the cut down down

32:49

there, ingrown hairs are so

32:54

common. Like getting a big juicy

32:54

butt pimple. You wake up the

32:59

morning of a big booking and

33:01

I'm lucky I'm not a

33:01

butt pimple people person.

33:03

Oh I hate you

33:03

I get em on my face though. They'll turn up and I'll have like a giant-- Yeah, no,

33:05

I'm lucky I get the butt

33:08

peoples. But I'll get a great

33:08

big face pimple and I'm like

33:11

hello there's a mountain. Would

33:11

you like to go sightseeing on my

33:14

face?

33:15

Sightseeing! Or, or

33:15

if you'd like I have a lot of

33:19

problems with dryness and

33:19

allergies. I'm like, I have

33:22

reactions to everything. So I

33:22

think actually the first time we

33:25

met was while I was on a tour in

33:25

Canberra. And I had this

33:30

reaction. I still don't know

33:30

what it was, but my face kind of

33:33

broke out in this rash. And was

33:33

just-- it was red. And I was mid

33:38

tour and sort of thought "oh

33:38

somethings going on with my

33:41

skin. If I cover up with makeup,

33:41

that's not going to be good for

33:45

it. But at the same time, I

33:45

don't want my clients to be like

33:49

what is she got this red blotchy

33:49

rash all over her face". So I

33:52

mean, I just tried to put light

33:52

makeup on and I dealt with it

33:55

and it was towards the end of

33:55

the tour anyway, thankfully,

33:57

made sure the lights weren't too

33:57

bright in the room. But um, but

34:01

you know, these things happen--

34:01

cracked lips. I get cracked lips

34:03

all the time. And clients might

34:03

see that and go "is that a cold

34:08

sore?" So there's all these

34:08

little things that pop up

34:11

Yeah, I wondered if

34:11

that would come up. Anybody that

34:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

34:11

and then you know, injuries that

34:14

happen as part of work as well.

34:14

That's not ideal. I remember you

34:18

had an injury when you were in

34:18

the Northern Territory, which

34:21

was--put you off work for a

34:21

while. I don't know if we want

34:23

to wait for another po has watched the BuzzFeed videos

34:28

mentioned in the last episode

34:32

will know about that. I think we

34:32

should discuss that in a

34:37

different episode. Just because

34:37

it's a bit of a story to really

34:39

tell it properly Alright we'll save

34:40

it. It was a bit of a story. Yeah, yeah.

34:43

But yes, I did. I had a significant injury and I had to cancel a lot of work.

34:47

Another thing we

34:47

discussed as well as things like

34:49

thrush and BV-- these are normal

34:49

things that happen to vaginas

34:53

sometimes. I went through a

34:53

period when I was working in a

34:56

brothel where I was always using

34:56

the house soap And I constantly

35:02

was getting thrush-- it was, it

35:02

was a really glamorous time. So

35:05

you know, you're obviously not

35:05

supposed to put soap down there,

35:08

or different lubes

35:08

or different condoms.

35:10

Exactly. But

35:10

fortunately touch wood touch

35:13

wood don't want to tempt fate

35:13

haven't run into those issues in

35:16

a while. So yeah, it's not

35:16

glamorous, but these are normal

35:19

bodily issues. You know

35:20

a friend of mine is

35:20

prone to Bartholin's cysts,

35:24

which thank God, I've never had

35:24

one. apparently, they, they,

35:30

they're really difficult to get

35:30

rid of, they sound incredibly

35:33

painful. And it's basically a

35:33

cyst down there. So it would

35:37

make our jobs so difficult. And

35:37

even if you get them drained,

35:40

apparently, they have a real

35:40

tendency to return and come

35:43

back. And it just it sounds like

35:43

it just sounds awful.

35:46

Gosh, makes you

35:46

feel grateful, doesn't it?

35:48

It does. It's not

35:48

the kind of job that you can,

35:51

where you can go to work if you

35:51

are sick or injured. You know, I

35:55

think like, if you've got a bit

35:55

of a head cold, you're a bit

35:59

snotty, you know, you can

35:59

probably still go into the

36:01

office and just keep your distance from other people a bit. But we, like, we can't go

36:03

into a booking and be snorting

36:07

all over our clients. Like we

36:07

just you know, we can't do that.

36:12

It's not sexy

36:12

No, it's not sexy.

36:12

It's not hygienic. And it's

36:16

certainly not the luxury

36:16

experience that they're paying

36:18

for. Just the other day-- a few

36:18

weeks ago, I got a booster shot,

36:23

a hepatitis booster

36:23

shot--vaccine, basically. And I

36:27

thought it would be fine. But

36:27

then the next day, my arm was so

36:31

sore. I could I could barely

36:31

move it. And I feel like I sound

36:35

like I'm overreacting. But it

36:35

had a really bad effect on my

36:39

arm. And I had a booking that

36:39

day. And I had to cancel because

36:44

I was like, ah, this sounds like

36:44

it's such a minor injury. But I

36:49

was like "I can't roll around in

36:49

a bed without the use of one of

36:52

my arms". I'm not like-- I can't

36:52

do my job. And I had to text and

36:58

be like, "Oh, I'm sorry, I have

36:58

to cancel. It's because I got a

37:00

needle yesterday", like it

37:00

sounded so lame. But that's the

37:04

reality of our job. If our

37:04

bodies aren't fit and fighting.

37:07

It's really hard to do.

37:08

Well, I can sort of

37:08

relate. When I had the flu shot.

37:11

What was that about a month or

37:11

two ago? That whole week? I

37:14

would be lying on the bed and

37:14

talking to clients. And I'd say,

37:16

"Oh, can we just get out and

37:16

swap sides? Because this arm is

37:18

really sore from my flu shot?"

37:18

Mine wasn't as bad as your your

37:23

booster shot. But yeah, it's all

37:23

those little unglamorous things

37:26

that we deal with. And then of

37:26

course, there's your mental

37:29

health, which we should probably

37:29

save for another episode. You

37:32

know, it's also important because we have to be emotionally available for our

37:34

clients. And sometimes we take

37:37

on a lot of heavy stuff. And

37:37

that can be really difficult if

37:41

you're feeling mentally fragile.

37:42

Yeah, absolutely. I

37:42

think that's definitely

37:45

something we should explore in

37:45

another episode.

37:47

Interlude

37:50

So Holly, you last

37:50

week, you mentioned that you had

37:54

some misconceptions yourself

37:54

about the industry before you

37:57

started working in it. So I

37:57

thought we should break one of

38:00

those down today.

38:01

Yeah, this is sort

38:01

of coming back to that naivety I

38:04

mentioned before, maybe it's not

38:04

--maybe other people see it this

38:07

way, as well. But this was my

38:07

take on it before I entered the

38:11

industry. I used to think that

38:11

sex work, or working in the sex

38:16

industry, would make you hate

38:16

sex, and then not have any

38:20

interest in it outside of work

38:20

so that it would basically ruin

38:23

sex for you. And yeah, just make

38:23

it a chore.

38:28

Or maybe take any

38:28

romantic level out of it.

38:30

Just taint it as a

38:30

not pleasurable thing. Yeah,

38:33

that was -- Yeah. And so I had

38:33

this perception that once I

38:36

became a full time sex worker, I

38:36

wouldn't enjoy sex anymore. And

38:40

I've always been a very sexual

38:40

person. So that was a really

38:43

frightening thing. To think that

38:43

something that I loved so much

38:46

might become not enjoyable

38:46

anymore, which absolutely is not

38:52

the truth. I am still as horny

38:52

as ever. I still love sex with

38:56

my clients. I still am sexually

38:56

interested in people outside of

39:00

my clients. I am. Yes, still

39:00

super horny. So that was

39:05

absolutely incorrect. And I

39:05

think that goes for a lot of sex

39:09

workers. I know I've definitely

39:09

heard some of my sex worker

39:12

friends say they've, you know,

39:12

they're worn out or they're

39:14

burnt out or they've lost a bit

39:14

of interest in sex or, you know,

39:18

if they're not getting paid for

39:18

it. It's not as exciting things

39:21

like that, which you know,

39:21

different sex workers face from

39:24

time to time. But the vast

39:24

majority of my friends that I

39:29

speak to seem to still have

39:29

healthy sex lives and healthy

39:32

interest in sex. So that's

39:32

really cool. Yeah,

39:35

That is nice. I

39:35

think it's, it's interesting

39:37

because, yeah, there you will

39:37

come across people who may sort

39:41

of say "oh when I'm having sex

39:41

with people who are male

39:45

presenting," which is obviously

39:45

not all of our clients, but it

39:50

is a large percentage of our

39:50

clients, then they sort of want

39:53

to be paid for it and they might

39:53

be bisexual or pansexual. But

39:58

they sort of get their fix of

39:58

men from their clients. And so

40:01

in their personal life, they're

40:01

only interested in having sex

40:04

with women or non binary people,

40:04

which I y--ou know, that makes

40:07

sense to me .

40:08

Interesting

40:09

For me personally, I

40:09

think, like, yes, there are

40:12

certainly times when you might

40:12

feel burnt out or, like if I've

40:15

just come home from a tour, and

40:15

I've had a lot of sex, and done

40:19

a lot of work aside from just

40:19

the sex. Yeah, I'm not going to

40:22

run home and feel like having

40:22

more, of course, like, I'm gonna

40:25

need some downtime. But I do

40:25

find that often, sex as a job

40:31

can stimulate my private sex

40:31

life. Like if I have a really

40:35

hot day at work or really good

40:35

booking. You know it makes me

40:40

more and more horny, like, the

40:40

more sex I have, the more sex I

40:43

want.

40:43

I find the same thing. Yeah.

40:46

I think I'm quite--

40:46

I read about active and reactive

40:50

sexuality. And I think I'm quite

40:50

like reactive. Like, I kind of

40:53

forget that sex is a thing until

40:53

I'm doing it. And I'm like, Oh,

40:57

my God, this is so amazing. And

40:57

then I want to do more of it.

41:00

That's interesting.

41:00

I took a year of celibacy, about

41:05

seven years ago, just to see if

41:05

I could do it. Because I am such

41:08

horny freak that I really wanted

41:08

to see--

41:11

What you just did it for shits and giggles?

41:12

Yeah, Jen is giving

41:12

me the funniest facial

41:16

expression over Zoom right now.

41:16

This horror. And yeah, I know,

41:21

it sounds weird. But I just

41:21

wanted to exercise restraint on

41:25

something and see if I could do

41:25

it. And I did. And it was, it

41:30

was actually really good. I

41:30

know, we can explore that

41:33

another day in another episode.

41:33

But I actually ended up not

41:37

being horny at all. By the end

41:37

of the year, I just wasn't that

41:39

interested in sex. But then

41:39

obviously, I said, "Well, I'm

41:42

going to go and have sex now"

41:42

and once I was I was off - and

41:45

it built. And similarly, right

41:45

now if I'm having great sex all

41:49

the time. Yeah, I just want

41:49

more. So maybe I'm just totally

41:53

greedy

41:53

On the flip side of

41:53

that, however, it is the

41:57

misconception. I'll throw

41:57

another one in, you got a double

42:00

bonus misconception episode,

42:00

that we are all massive horn

42:04

bags and want sex all the time.

42:04

I can't tell you how many

42:07

clients go, "oh my god, I feel

42:07

so sorry for your husband. When

42:11

he gets home from work, you must

42:11

just jump on him." And I'm like,

42:14

What? No. We've been together

42:14

for 12 years. There's not much

42:19

jumping that happens. I adore

42:19

our sex life. But we're not

42:22

like-- I don't just launch

42:22

myself at people -- you're

42:26

paying for me to do that to you.

42:26

You know. And after a day of me

42:31

having sex with other people,

42:31

often I just want to sit on the

42:34

couch and not be touched for a

42:34

little while.

42:37

Yep

42:37

and that's you know,

42:37

yeah, yeah. So I think the

42:40

there's there's both extremes of

42:40

it. There are certainly times

42:43

when my job does make me go "Oh,

42:43

God, I just don't want sex

42:46

anymore"

42:46

We're human beings!

42:47

But that's always

42:47

fleeting. Yeah, it definitely

42:50

hasn't ruined sex for me.

42:52

Interlude

42:55

Okay, this week for

42:55

Shit People Say I'm just gonna

42:58

go through a couple of messages

42:58

I've received. It's probably not

43:02

going to be anywhere living up

43:02

to Jenna's beautiful 'sports

43:06

attic' thread last week, which

43:06

was absolutely a highlight. But

43:11

here's a couple that we thought

43:11

were good. Okay, so I received a

43:16

message when I had advertised a

43:16

blow jobs only service. Blow

43:20

jobs. Pretty standard. That's

43:20

it. That's all you get. I got a

43:25

message from a gentleman. "Hi. I

43:25

would love to meet you. What

43:28

does a blow job give me?" Which

43:31

Oh,

43:31

I felt that was pretty self explanatory.

43:33

Hopefully an orgasm?

43:37

Just a blow job.

43:37

That's.. I don't know what else

43:40

you're looking for-- blowjob

43:40

and a handstand? I don't know

43:43

what he was hoping for with the

43:43

inclusions. Another one, which I

43:47

really liked was I got a

43:47

question from a gentleman-- now

43:50

just to explain to --Well, no,

43:50

you know what, I'm not even

43:53

going to explain it. This is

43:53

self explanatory. I got a

43:56

message from a guy saying "what

43:56

is pegging?" And I said,

44:01

"fucking you in the ass with a

44:01

strap on" And he said, "How big

44:04

is it?" And I said, "big" And he

44:04

said, "No, thanks". So that was

44:10

obviously enough to scare him off.

44:13

You don't have to do it!

44:17

I don't know what the answer was that he was looking for. I don't know

44:19

whether he wanted centimetres.

44:22

You know, I've had a

44:22

couple of people contact me and

44:25

say, "do we have to do like

44:25

pegging" because it's listed as

44:29

something that I will offer

44:30

Pegging! I've had similar

44:30

And they'd be like, "I don't want that". And I'm like, "that's fine, babe. I'm

44:32

not--that's cool".

44:37

We don't have to do

44:37

all the things that I offer. And

44:41

my final one for today is

44:41

someone contacted me asking,

44:45

"Are you available?" I said,

44:45

"I'll be available at 3pm." They

44:50

said, "Are you not available

44:50

right now?" I said "no". And

44:53

they said, "let me know when

44:53

you're free". And I said, "Well,

44:56

I'm free at 3pm" Like I

44:56

literally just told you that. I

44:59

don't know what--- at 3! So

44:59

yeah, I don't know what that the

45:04

intention was there. But yeah,

45:04

three that I thought were quite

45:08

entertaining.

45:09

What about the swimming one?

45:10

Oh, okay, well,

45:10

that's a whole story. I did

45:15

receive a message from somebody

45:15

asking if we could go for a swim

45:20

together. "I want to go for a

45:20

swim with you, but I don't want

45:22

to go to jail". And I said, "why

45:22

would we go to jail?" And he

45:27

said, "cuz you're an escort and

45:27

I'm a client,"

45:31

right

45:31

I said, "Well, that's not illegal, you know?" And he said, "What isn't?" And I

45:33

said, "being an escort or a

45:36

client" and he said, "Yeah, but

45:36

going for a swim is."

45:41

is it?

45:41

And I said how? I

45:41

actually said "lol how?" And he

45:48

said, "I don't know, because

45:48

it's not like a booking". So how

45:51

would that be illegal? Anyway,

45:51

we never solved why he thought

45:55

that was illegal

45:55

Oh I need resolution

45:55

on that. How strange!

45:59

--what the crime

45:59

committed is. Very cute.

46:03

So sex work is

46:03

legal. But you can't do anything

46:06

with sex workers that isn't sex.

46:09

Do not swim with

46:09

your hooker. It could be like a

46:13

gremlin thing. Like maybe they

46:13

think, you know, as soon as we

46:15

touch water police appear. I don't know.

46:21

It wasn't during

46:21

COVID was it? Like there was a

46:23

lot--

46:23

No this was like

46:23

two years ago. Just a guy who

46:25

who, yeah, thought that the

46:25

handcuffs would appear as soon

46:28

as we got in the water. Yep.

46:32

Interlude

46:33

So the final segment

46:33

that we have on the show, which

46:36

we meant to spruik last week,

46:36

and we forgot about I think, is

46:41

we wanted to maybe answer a

46:41

question or two from our

46:44

listeners each week. And it

46:44

depends on how we go. If

46:49

everything is getting a bit long

46:49

winded, we might just have to do

46:51

separate question and answer,

46:51

like bonus episodes. But just

46:56

keep an eye on our social media.

46:56

We have Facebook, Instagram, and

47:00

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47:00

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47:04

asking questions because we'd

47:04

love you to--basically where

47:07

we're farming you for content.

47:07

That's what we're getting at

47:11

here.

47:11

Yeah, we're using

47:11

you do you like being used by

47:14

us, you dirty boys.

47:16

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47:16

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47:21

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