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4:19

Hey. Hey. It's Conrad Thompson in your listening

4:21

to something to wrestle with. Bruce

4:23

Prichard. Y'all hear any interesting news

4:26

this 370? Anything that

4:29

were they happening in wrestling or WWE

4:31

Land? Maybe there were some

4:33

rumors that went around this week. 370 hear

4:35

any juicy ones? Well,

4:37

as you might imagine, Bruce is

4:39

pretty busy this week, so we're gonna going

4:41

to be doing a best of and

4:43

who better to spotlight, who better to

4:45

focus on than Stephanie

4:48

McMan. I don't know that any of us

4:50

really imagined when this week started that Stephanie

4:52

would be stepping away from 370, but

4:55

I for one and Anxious

4:57

to see what's next for WWE and

4:59

for Stephanie 370 that matter. She's

5:01

been such a big part of WWE

5:04

for so long think the

5:06

first time I remember ever seeing anything

5:08

Stephanie related was the old

5:10

merchandise catalogs for the WWE

5:12

back in the day and Then, of course,

5:15

once I became friends with Bruce, he pointed

5:17

out that in one of those early summer

5:19

slam packages that opened the

5:21

paper, 370 it was eighty nine, have

5:23

a little girl jumping in the pool, stepping

5:25

in at man. How about that? Of

5:28

course, we know that she went on to

5:30

to be a big part of the story lines when they undertake a

5:32

kidnapper and wear it

5:34

to Stephanie 370 all

5:36

of the other nonsense that has happened

5:40

on camera, whether it was the

5:42

McMahon 370 era or

5:44

just a handful of years ago, the whole authority

5:46

thing Stephanie's been a big part of WWE

5:48

programming for a long, long time. So to

5:50

see her step away from WWE 370, meaning,

5:53

I guess, we're not gonna see her at these big business

5:56

conferences or materitable things

5:58

or 370 she really is.

6:00

She's gonna leave it in a rearview mirror.

6:02

There's a lot of questions and I'll be

6:04

honest, I don't have the answers. But

6:06

what I do know is, I'm grateful that we

6:08

got to see Stephanie as an on

6:10

camera performer. No matter what

6:12

you thought of some of the creative decisions

6:14

or the rumor in any 370 that

6:16

surrounded, you know, wrestling politics

6:19

and what have you. Nobody who ever

6:21

met Stephanie didn't like

6:23

Stephanie. I personally have seen 370 definitely

6:25

go out of her way to be over the

6:27

top. So just regular

6:29

folk, man. And, you know,

6:31

sometimes, what's that old cliche?

6:34

Never meet your heroes. Well, I'm not here to

6:36

say that Stephanie McMahon was necessarily

6:38

370 hero. I think some of

6:40

us have met a celebrity

6:42

370 unquote famous

6:44

person and had a less than experience.

6:47

Nobody ever had a less than experience with

6:49

Stephanie McMahon. listen,

6:52

man, III don't think any of us would be

6:54

listening to this podcast without her family's

6:56

contributions to wrestling and the 370. So

6:59

I popped to see what's next for her and

7:01

her 370, and I know that things

7:03

have been a little weird

7:05

lately. I I don't know what's next,

7:07

but I know that today we're gonna celebrate

7:09

and highlight The great

7:11

career in WWE 370 the

7:13

Stephanie McMahon to reverse his own words

7:16

in older episodes of something to

7:18

wrestle Rich Pritchard. Just so you know, we

7:20

do plan to block off some time this

7:22

370. Of course, we plan to report

7:25

this week as well. But

7:27

whenever we get an opportunity to go

7:29

ahead and click record, we'll be

7:31

sure to get ahead of your way once you get

7:33

all these shows early and add free over to add

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7:37

in mind, let's look at Good Times' role

7:39

and celebrate some of great moments from

7:41

something to wrestle 370, Stefan

7:44

and Mitt man. She was around the

7:46

McMahon household as you're over there booking

7:49

and working in Vince's dining room

7:51

and out by the pool.

7:52

She's a constant there. 370 not.

7:55

Yeah. Pretty much. You

7:58

got you got the kids after school, at

8:00

least on on her part. She

8:03

was always around and then went

8:06

to college, went to Boston, but she would always

8:08

come back, not every

8:10

weekend, but at least once a month, she would come

8:12

back. But she was always around and always worked the

8:14

summers in the office whether

8:16

it was in marketing as an intern

8:18

or the TV

8:20

studio as an assistant, whatever it

8:22

was, she was just a constant.

8:25

Any fun Staffing

8:27

the McMahon 370 as a

8:29

ute.

8:33

Is a ute. God. I

8:35

think that the funniest one that she used

8:37

to tell

8:38

was when she

8:40

graduated from high school, we all got

8:42

invited to her graduation, party,

8:45

dinner, whatever the hell it was because Pat

8:47

and I had to go to everything. And

8:50

we got there and I 370 been

8:53

working all 370, and I didn't

8:55

know. What what do you get? An eighteen year

8:57

old girl that has 370? Congratulations.

9:01

So I defer

9:04

to 370 Mondero, who was Pat Patterson's

9:08

significant other. And I said, Louis was

9:10

gonna go and get her something for the

9:12

party. And I said, Louis, would you mind

9:14

getting something for me to

9:16

give her? And he says, sure. Don't worry

9:18

about it. So he

9:21

gets it all wrapped and has a card and

9:23

everything for me, and I give it to her. And

9:25

I I forgot to ask.

9:27

What did I get her? I saw

9:29

her. So she

9:31

opens it and she looks at it and she goes, oh,

9:33

wow. This is just beautiful, Bruce. Thank

9:35

you so much. And I'm looking at it. And I'm

9:37

like, what the hell is it? And it was an

9:39

ankle bracelet. And

9:44

I'm like, That

9:46

just sound kinda creepy to

9:48

me. And sure enough,

9:51

she said to me later, she

9:53

goes, She goes, I don't know.

9:55

She goes, I really this very sweet

9:57

gift, but it's kind of weird.

9:59

Gotta from Uncle Bruce, you

10:01

know, this this Hank Brassett,

10:03

well, concession time. I

10:05

said, I had 370 get it. She goes, okay. That

10:07

makes more sense. So she

10:09

felt she felt better once she knew Louis

10:11

picked it out for her and 370.

10:12

But

10:12

Vince and I, Matt, when she was in high school, we

10:15

used to go to her high school basketball

10:17

games, and we would

10:19

sit in the stands, in the bleachers

10:21

with our books. And we would book

10:23

and write TV and stuff until

10:25

Stephanie got on the court and played and then we'd look

10:27

up and watch her play and then go back to working.

10:30

And that's where you guys came up with

10:32

ideas like Shinja

10:35

and

10:36

Duke, the Dumpster Drosset, and

10:39

to your hopper.

10:40

Right? No. No. No. No.

10:42

No. We came up better shit than that, I'm

10:44

sure. Knuckleball

10:46

sports. Ave knuckleball

10:49

shorts. I'm sure that was thought of at

10:51

at a fucking sporting event.

10:53

Yeah. What what type of a sports they

10:55

had? Was a Vince I feel like he's

10:57

having to melt down on the sidelines. No.

11:00

He was he was one of those

11:02

that was very

11:04

reserved. And he would

11:05

watch, and he would he would

11:08

quietly cheer her on, but

11:10

he wasn't what you would expect. Come on,

11:12

Stephanie. Get in there. God

11:14

damn

11:14

it. Nailer. Get that bitch. Hey.

11:16

Hey, Rob. That's a fucking foul. No.

11:18

He was much more reserved than

11:20

that. Just 370 say it under his breath. That

11:22

was a goddamn foul. She gotta fucking

11:25

foul at bitch.

11:25

Now, but we're in the

11:28

370. What?

11:31

Oh my gosh. What was that?

11:33

Damn it. Did

11:36

he understand basketball?

11:40

More than I 370. I don't

11:42

know how that. They bounced the ball

11:44

around. They threw it in the circle on the board

11:46

at the end of the court. just know

11:48

you don't know shit about real sports.

11:50

And, you know, he famously and we talked about this

11:52

in the archives, his favorite football players

11:54

for Wai McDaniel and

11:56

Ernie Ladd. Which is just hysterical to

11:58

me. So let's talk about when she

12:00

starts working with the company full time.

12:02

After graduation, Does

12:04

she start sitting in on meetings, or how

12:06

does Vince introduce her into the fold? What are

12:08

her roles? What do you remember about her coming

12:11

up there? And were you a little

12:13

nervous about there being another

12:15

big man there? And 370 we know

12:17

that story ends, chat me

12:19

up. During this time, I was a

12:21

lot more in the talent relation end of things

12:23

and I wasn't doing as much creative.

12:25

I definitely remembered those, Stephanie,

12:27

coming in and Vince having her sit

12:30

in on creative and try to

12:32

learn every aspect of the

12:34

business. And contrary to

12:36

popular 370, from

12:38

my knowledge, the first

12:40

person to suggest Stephanie

12:43

370 on camera 370

12:46

goddamn Jim corded. He said,

12:48

what the fuck is this? Goddamn. Big

12:50

370, Demi Moore, looking fucking bitch. Dude,

12:52

walk around the goddamn house. We don't have her

12:54

on camera. Ed

12:57

Kornet thought that she would be perfect and

12:59

thought she

12:59

was, you know, she was good looking,

13:01

put her ass on TV.

13:03

She's a McManick's plate the name.

13:06

And so it was Jim

13:08

Cornett the first time I ever heard it and I said,

13:10

man, that's gonna be gonna

13:12

be one, you're gonna have to get past

13:14

the old man and the

13:16

salted in the shell, Shane. SALTed

13:20

in the shell. We're just

13:22

a traveling nut house, Vince's the

13:24

head cashew, and Bobby 370 used to

13:26

refer to Shane as salted in

13:28

the shell. So

13:31

she's in and working

13:34

in the backstage

13:35

370. What's a typical

13:37

day like with Stephanie when she's first

13:39

there? Is she working more with

13:42

a

13:42

certain section of the show?

13:46

No. She was she

13:49

would have a headset on. She was learning

13:51

production. So she was shadowing

13:53

vets, and she was sitting in

13:55

on whatever meetings there were,

13:57

whether they be creative production 370, and

14:00

trying to learn everything that she could about

14:02

television and about to create a process.

14:04

But

14:05

you if you she

14:08

was

14:08

like a fly on the wall. 370 very,

14:10

very 370. And didn't

14:13

say a whole lot, man. She just sat there and listened

14:15

and took a lot of notes. Now

14:18

after the fact, after the meetings, a lot of

14:20

370, she would take us off to the side

14:22

and ask us questions about what took place

14:24

in the meeting. Give me an example. Why did you say this?

14:26

Why'd you do that? And different things like that?

14:28

Give me an example. Well,

14:33

I guess talking

14:36

about 370 gonna bring Steve

14:38

in, but his character wouldn't

14:40

do that and just leave it like that.

14:42

She would then come back and ask why

14:44

wouldn't his character do that? And

14:46

she would want explanation for

14:49

each and every decision. If

14:51

you said, well,

14:53

especially

14:53

370, you know, cornet? Goddamn. He's a

14:56

heel. He wouldn't do that.

14:58

She'd 370 to know why a heel wouldn't

15:00

do that. So

15:01

she was interested in learning the psychology

15:03

of wrestling. Yes. And

15:06

sometimes it's not as easy to

15:08

explain. It's just a feel

15:11

And I think that that kind of frustrated

15:13

her sometimes as well.

15:15

But it was She's

15:18

370 very inquisitive and always asking

15:21

questions. Let's

15:23

let's keep it going here and talk a little bit

15:25

about the inferno match. On

15:28

raw. Yeah. An

15:30

inferno max. Not on pay per view, which we

15:32

talked about a couple of weeks ago. But

15:34

an inferno match on raw, of course taker gets

15:36

the victory. Cain is a member of

15:38

the corporation for those of you who are trying

15:40

to keep track at home. And this leads

15:42

to the I guess infamous

15:44

burning of the teddy bear. Who's

15:46

my god no more? Chat

15:50

me up about Stephanie. This is really gonna be

15:53

Stephanie's foray into television. We know she's

15:55

gonna go on to become quite

15:57

a great television performer, much

15:59

like her dad. Years

16:01

later, people are gonna say, she might be the best

16:03

heel on TV just like her data

16:05

generation before. But

16:07

in this era, obviously, you know,

16:09

you're letting Shane do more and more. A couple

16:11

years from now, hell, we're gonna be throwing Shane

16:13

through glass with an Olympic

16:15

gold medalist.

16:17

But with Stephanie getting involved in the business,

16:20

do you either being pushed back or hesitation from

16:22

either Vince or Linda? No.

16:25

I don't.

16:28

I don't know behind the scenes

16:30

if if Linda was hesitant or not.

16:32

370 really talk to her about

16:34

it. But as far as Stephanie

16:36

goes, it was she

16:39

was

16:39

there. She was learning the business. Stuff

16:42

was coming around. So I

16:44

don't think that anybody doubted

16:48

you

16:48

know, it's it's in the blood.

16:50

You know what I mean?

16:52

The the apple doesn't fall far

16:54

from the tree. And

16:58

there really wasn't much to help. The

17:00

the stuff was gonna

17:02

pull it off. There there really

17:03

wasn't. And I know that sounds

17:06

weird. Because

17:07

she was greater than

17:09

goose shit, but it was

17:11

I don't know. She

17:14

had it. Talk

17:16

to me a little bit about

17:19

who would have been pushing for that. I think

17:21

there's the story that someone backstage

17:24

says, Well, look at her. She's We 370 put her on

17:26

TV. Who was that that

17:28

pushes for? Is it Russo? Is it

17:29

Hayes? As the legend goes, who was

17:32

the person who really said? You

17:34

gotta put Stephanie on

17:35

TV. The first person that

17:38

set it out loud that

17:40

really was Jim Cornett.

17:42

Oh, there you go. Excellent.

17:47

You know, 370 would

17:49

ask question, why the

17:51

hell isn't she on TV? Right.

17:54

So, you know, from

17:56

that vantage point and from kind of

17:58

introducing

17:58

that, there was also

18:01

the the feeling

18:03

of, you know, you're you're a

18:06

bit trepidation of

18:09

going too far. Say, hey, why don't we put Shane on?

18:11

Why don't we put Stephanie on

18:14

to to

18:16

her father? Right. You

18:18

know, you you don't know whether or not

18:20

he he wants that

18:22

and or anything

18:24

370. So it was a bit

18:27

tricky, but but at the same time, you know,

18:29

you you look at it and it's a

18:31

good

18:31

370. So why

18:33

not? What's up? He

18:35

was a 370. Did

18:38

she have any trappidation

18:41

about doing it. I mean, it feels like,

18:43

you know, and this isn't fair. And I'm

18:45

not saying it should be this way, but I think you

18:47

can be honest and admit that Sometimes,

18:49

there's a double standard. Like, you would

18:51

let your son can go do stuff that

18:54

if your daughter Amber Pitts to

18:56

email, 370, you're not doing that. That's

18:58

not popular and that's not polite, but it's

19:00

just the way dads think. Right? We're

19:02

all protective of our little girls. Do

19:05

you think that Vince had any of that

19:07

370 perhaps Stephanie had any of that. I

19:10

don't wanna be a public figure. I don't wanna be

19:12

on TV. I being

19:14

a public figure on TV like this and being

19:16

involved in the wrestling business comes with

19:19

a certain amount of stuff

19:21

you kinda gotta deal

19:22

with. Right? Yeah.

19:25

I think

19:25

that maybe internally

19:28

they 370 that, not externally.

19:31

Okay. I don't know that that was really

19:33

ever brought up, at

19:35

least to us, from

19:38

a

19:38

hesitation standpoint, if that makes any sense.

19:41

It it just It was

19:42

like, let's do this. It makes

19:45

sense. It's real. People can relate to

19:47

it. Everybody has a mother and

19:49

father. Family's

19:52

easy, easy to write about. Family

19:54

is easy because everyone can identify

19:57

good, bad, or indifferent.

20:01

So let's talk about what's next for the undertaker.

20:04

He's gonna get arrested when he's

20:06

attempting to sacrifice

20:07

someone, but Of course, as the

20:10

handcuffs are put on, he lights the taker

20:12

symbol on fire. You

20:14

guys are having a lot of fun.

20:16

This feels like we 370 out

20:18

of. This is just Vince

20:20

Russo's idea to now. Bruce

20:22

is loving the magic. You've told us before

20:24

you love that papa shango

20:26

bullshit. 370 mean

20:29

bullshit. Well, I need more

20:31

ooze. I mean, you love that the

20:33

voodoo doll and all those concepts we've

20:35

talked about I I think it's super

20:37

creative and super funny, but I'm just

20:39

saying I know what gets you going

20:41

and and this sort of supernatural stuff you

20:43

would love.

20:44

Well, a a lot of this

20:47

is is coming from Taker's head as

20:49

well. And and Russo's

20:50

head, 370 think

20:51

that, you know, it was a collaborative

20:54

effort of let's get out

20:56

there with this. You had eyeballs

20:58

on it. It was unique. It was

21:00

different. And Damn,

21:02

it was it was controversial too

21:06

because people were looking at it and here's

21:08

your your stalwart

21:10

favorite in the

21:11

undertaker. That man,

21:12

that's my guy. I love the undertaker.

21:14

He's so cool. Well, now it's

21:17

he's evil and he's doing things 370

21:19

that I that I like and that I care about, you know,

21:21

as we get into to stone cold and

21:23

so on and so forth. But then

21:26

you're conflicted when he's

21:28

doing shit with the big bands. Right. Because I

21:30

don't like Vince, but here's this

21:32

innocent young lady

21:34

370, well,

21:36

she seems like a sweet young

21:38

lady. Why would he

21:39

do that to her?

21:41

Right. So it was

21:44

it was really messing with people's

21:46

emotions, and and I thought I thought it was

21:48

very well done. People The angle

21:50

eventually leads to test versus

21:52

Shane McMahon in a lover or 370 match.

21:55

At Summer Slim ninety nine, where if test

21:57

wins, Shane has to stop trying to

21:59

break them

22:00

up. And if Shane wins, tests

22:02

on Stephanie have to break up. Boy, this

22:04

is good stuff.

22:07

Yeah. Bro.

22:09

It's logical. If the

22:12

brother doesn't wanna, then

22:16

they gotta

22:17

break. It was the convoluted storytelling

22:19

of the time. So

22:22

everything had to have a story. And if it didn't have a

22:23

story, you make one up and just make

22:26

it kinda forced in there.

22:27

Didn't say it was good. Yeah.

22:31

Well, it wasn't.

22:34

Test wins about

22:36

something. Sent a lot back then.

22:38

And Stephanie comes running at the ring to celebrate

22:40

with him. And then on August twenty

22:43

third, that edition of Monday night RAW, gets

22:45

down on his knees 370 asked Stephanie

22:48

Stephanie to marry

22:49

370. And she said she needed more

22:51

time, but she loved him.

22:54

And a few days later on smackdown, he does it 370.

22:56

And this time, she accepts.

23:01

Talk as a whirlwind romance right

23:03

there by a guy.

23:04

Talk me through this. I

23:07

don't you know, I know that

23:10

he sort of gets a bad rap sometimes, I think,

23:12

for crash TV. But

23:14

Summer Slim ninety nine,

23:17

happened on August twenty second.

23:20

The very next

23:23

day after he wins the lover

23:25

or lemur 370

23:28

proposes. And a couple of days

23:30

later on smackdown,

23:33

she accepts. Why rush the

23:35

proposal and why not just

23:37

accept the first time instead of delaying

23:39

it? Goddamn

23:42

it. Drama, will

23:45

she or won't she?

23:49

Yeah. I can't answer that one. That was

23:52

my bitch with everything in the in the

23:54

late nineties was that we took things

23:56

that could have gone on for six months

23:58

and did them in six minutes. It

24:01

was 370 a minute. They

24:03

just started allegedly, they

24:05

just started dating. And

24:07

and now we haven't we haven't even

24:10

seen a relationship really

24:12

of any kind. And now he's

24:14

asking her to marry him.

24:17

You know, I

24:18

mean, if anybody's a gold digger

24:20

there, you're looking at tests and

24:22

going, what a bitch? So it it

24:24

was rushed definitely, and it didn't make

24:26

a whole lot of sense, but it was also one

24:29

of those things that

24:30

Yep. We did it folks.

24:33

As if that wasn't enough,

24:36

you guys announced that the wedding is gonna take

24:38

place on October eleventh at the

24:40

George Dome because Why the fuck

24:43

wouldn't they get married on Monday

24:44

night? Like, I know everybody, I

24:46

know it got married on Monday night

24:48

on TV. Right? I'm a little shocked that you didn't

24:50

do it. When I looked at your things, it

24:52

said October thirteenth, wait a minute.

24:55

That's a Saturday. You

24:57

gotta get married either on a Sunday or a Monday. Very

25:01

confusing to me, Conrad, your whole wedding

25:03

thing. Well, nobody ran in,

25:06

nobody 370, was no drama.

25:08

Hang on. Nobody went in the pool. He said

25:10

nobody cried, but you know that's not true.

25:12

Oh, that's right. Rick. Well, Rick was crying

25:14

when he got there. Like,

25:17

Rick Rick showed up. It

25:21

was crying for fuck's sake.

25:24

Rick left because we ran out of tissue.

25:27

Check me up

25:29

here. You're hotshotting the

25:31

wedding too. Did you

25:33

guys already know when

25:35

you have the

25:35

proposal? And then you

25:38

plan the wedding and you announce that the wedding is

25:40

gonna happen? Did

25:41

you already know what the end game was? Or at this point, are we

25:43

just we're gonna get there and figure it out,

25:46

pal? Well,

25:48

I think, yeah, again, there's two

25:51

different opinions here. One is,

25:53

Russo said he had an idea of what he wanted to

25:55

do, and then Vince McMahon's idea

25:57

was he just wanted to get it over with.

25:59

And Vince

26:02

wasn't buying tests. He

26:04

he didn't like it. He

26:07

agreed to it to see what

26:09

would happen, but then he saw

26:11

it, and did it, and changed his

26:12

mind. So he's the boss. He gets to change

26:15

his mind. And from Vince McMahon's point of view, it

26:17

was

26:18

I wanna get this over with and and be

26:20

done with it, and we gotta move on and and change it

26:22

up a little bit. Oh,

26:26

man. Alright. Well, the

26:28

angle eventually leads to test versus

26:30

Shane McMahon. In a lover or

26:32

lever match, at

26:34

Summer Slim ninety nine, where if Test

26:36

wins, Shane has to stop trying to break

26:38

them up. And if Shane

26:40

wins, Test and Stephanie have to

26:42

break up. Boy, this is good stuff.

26:45

Yeah, bro. It's

26:50

logical if the brother doesn't wanna

26:53

then they got a

26:55

break. It

26:56

was a convoluted storytelling of

26:58

the time. So everything had to have

27:01

a story. And if it didn't have a story, you make

27:03

one up and just make it kind

27:05

of forced in

27:05

there. Didn't say it

27:08

was good. Yeah.

27:11

Well, it wasn't. Test

27:13

wins. I had something

27:15

set a line back then. And Stephanie

27:17

comes running at the ring to celebrate with him.

27:19

And then on August twenty third, that

27:21

edition of Monday night RAW, test

27:23

gets down on his knees. And

27:25

asked Stephanie Stephanie to marry 370.

27:28

And she said she needed more

27:30

time, but she loved him. And

27:32

a few days later on smackdown, he does

27:35

it again. And this time,

27:37

she

27:37

accepts. Talk

27:40

as a whirlwind romance right there

27:42

by guy. Talk

27:43

me through this. I

27:46

don't you know, I

27:48

know that he sort of gets a

27:50

bad rap sometimes, I think, for crash

27:52

370, but several slip ninety

27:55

nine. Happened on August

27:57

twenty second. The

27:59

very next day

28:01

after he wins the

28:03

lover or 370, 370

28:06

proposes. And a couple of days

28:08

later on smackdown,

28:11

she accepts. Why

28:13

rush the proposal and

28:15

why not just accept the first time instead

28:17

of delaying it?

28:19

God damn it. Drama, will

28:22

she or won't she?

28:28

Yeah. I can't answer that one. That was my

28:30

bitch with everything in the in the late

28:32

nineties was that we took things that could

28:34

have gone on for six months and did

28:36

them in six minutes. It

28:39

was Wait a minute. They

28:41

just started allegedly, they

28:43

just started dating. And

28:46

and now we haven't we haven't even

28:49

seen a relationship really

28:51

of any kind. And now

28:53

he's asking her to marry him.

28:55

You know, I mean, if anybody's a gold digger

28:57

there, you're looking at tests and going,

28:59

what a bitch?

29:02

So it it was rushed definitely, and it

29:04

didn't make a whole lot of sense, but it was

29:06

also one of those things that yep.

29:09

We did it 370. As

29:12

if that wasn't enough, you

29:14

guys announced that the wedding is gonna take place

29:16

on October eleventh at the

29:18

George Dome because Why the fuck

29:21

wouldn't they get married on Monday night?

29:23

Like, I know everybody, I know

29:25

got married on Monday night on

29:27

TV. Right? I'm a little shocked that you

29:29

didn't do

29:29

it. When I looked at your things, it said

29:32

October thirteenth, wait a minute.

29:34

That's a

29:35

Saturday. You

29:36

gotta get married either on a Sunday or a Monday.

29:38

Very confusing to me, Conrad,

29:40

your whole wedding thing. Well,

29:42

nobody ran in. Nobody

29:45

cried. There was no drama. Hang on.

29:47

Nobody went in the pool. He said nobody

29:49

370, but you know that's not true. Oh, that's right.

29:51

Rick. Well,

29:51

Rick was crying when he got

29:53

there. Like, Rick

29:56

Prichard showed up. It

30:00

was crying for fucking

30:01

sake. Rick left because we ran out of

30:04

tissue.

30:05

Check me up here. You're

30:08

hot shotting the wedding too.

30:11

Did you guys already know when you

30:13

have the proposal? And then you

30:15

plan the wedding and your announcement the wedding

30:17

is gonna happen? Did

30:20

you already know what the end game was? Or at this point,

30:22

are we just we're gonna get there and figure

30:24

it out, pal? Well,

30:27

I think, yeah, again, there's two different

30:30

opinions here. One is, 370 said he had an

30:32

idea of what he wanted to 370, and

30:34

then Vince McMahon's idea was

30:36

he just wanted to get it over with.

30:39

And Vince wasn't

30:41

buying tests. He he

30:43

didn't like it. He agreed to it

30:46

to see what would happen,

30:48

but then he saw it and did it and

30:50

changed his mind. So he's the boss. He gets

30:52

to change his

30:53

mind. And from Vince McMahon's point

30:55

of view, it was,

30:56

I wanna get this over

30:58

with and and be done with it. We gotta move on

31:00

and and change it up a little bit.

31:03

Oh, man. Well,

31:06

on September twenty seventh, you guys

31:08

asked Stephanie and Tess to go shopping

31:10

for wedding

31:11

tuxes. test seems a little bored, and

31:13

he wants to shop for a launch array

31:16

instead.

31:18

Well, when you went shopping for

31:21

wedding dresses or in Texas,

31:23

did you were

31:25

you

31:25

bored? No. Okay.

31:27

No. Just was.

31:30

Yeah. I don't know. Just that

31:32

part that part doesn't feel as

31:34

much like Vince Russo. It feels more

31:36

like Stephanie. Goddamn it. He wants

31:38

to see those puppies. Get

31:40

my daughter in some

31:41

lingerie, stab. What

31:44

the hell?

31:45

He's holding up that one of those

31:48

goddamn butt floss things. That's just

31:50

nasty.

31:50

370 the fuck? What?

31:52

There there's nothing covering the behind. I need

31:55

coverage. And

31:58

longs, disgusted, Vince. Are you

31:59

serious? Yeah. Well,

32:02

why did you guys get so many thong shots?

32:04

Oh, oh, Kevin Dunn liked

32:05

it. I think everybody liked it.

32:08

Well,

32:08

yeah, except Vipps. But

32:10

Yeah. It goes up in there.

32:13

God.

32:13

Yeah. There's nothing 370

32:16

dokey on there. If

32:18

there's dokie 370 there, he's dating the wrong

32:20

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every day. 370, let's

35:10

talk about something that was not taken

35:13

out. The November twenty ninth 370,

35:15

pretty famous episode here. 370

35:17

is the episode where tests and Stephanie were supposed

35:20

to get married. DX

35:22

would come to the ring and triple h would explain

35:25

how Vince has made the situation personal, and

35:27

he's threatening to beat McMahon with an inch

35:29

of his life at Armageddon. And

35:31

he also says, there's not

35:33

going to be a wedding 370. Of course, that brings out

35:36

Vince. He says there's nothing I

35:38

won't do to protect

35:40

my family. And he promised that he would have triple h's blood on his hands armageddon.

35:42

And as a gift, he

35:44

gave tests to match with

35:48

triple h. Where's test is gonna his the of

35:50

night. And he says no

35:52

one would be involved in the wedding,

35:54

but family and

35:57

that he would fire anyone who interfered. And we

35:59

also see a scene from the previous night's

36:01

Las Vegas bachelorette party

36:03

for Stephanie 370 of

36:05

course, my young and the fabulous muleer there

36:08

wishing the broad will. And we

36:10

also see Carlos, the

36:12

electrician, entertain

36:14

the ladies, before May and and we're able to take him away. And then we see

36:16

a guy bring in champagne to

36:18

Stephanie, which I guess

36:20

in storyline, 370 fellow was in

36:22

Kahoots with triple h,

36:24

and maybe he put something in her

36:26

drink. Later in the show,

36:28

we would see test speed

36:30

triple h. And Vince was wearing a Vince

36:32

McMahon mask, and he's the

36:34

referee. 370 totally favoring

36:36

370 h. Eventually,

36:38

as you can imagine, test is gonna

36:40

come off the top, and Vince is gonna

36:42

fast count him triple h tells

36:45

police that Vince had violated his order that he could

36:47

have come within fifty feet of him.

36:50

The cops are gonna check on

36:52

it, but Astew just

36:54

Patterson and Briscoe saying, no. Vince was in the

36:56

bathroom the whole time. Just stand

36:58

370 here, he can smell it.

37:00

It's real life. After the match, more

37:02

of the party is shown. And

37:04

then we see backstage, Hunter

37:06

demanding the Vince be arrested And

37:10

as the cops are questioning him, he is, of

37:12

course, denying it all. We see the

37:14

Broadmaine is preparing for the wedding,

37:16

and now it's

37:18

finally time. Test is here with his insurance music. He's

37:20

not announced as Andrew 370, of course.

37:22

He's tasked and he's 370 Stephanie

37:24

370 by God. And

37:26

when they do the old speak now, forever holds your peace bit,

37:28

triple h comes out. Surprise. It

37:32

shows video of Stephanie,

37:36

passed out and doing the whole quickie wedding

37:38

drive through, chapel in

37:39

Vegas. It's a little white chapel

37:42

that was same place that I

37:44

got married, 370 Ross got married,

37:46

and some other guy Michael Jordan, I think

37:48

got married there.

37:49

And Brittany Spears, I

37:50

think. Really? So, anyway, in this drive

37:52

370, triple h, as Stephanie

37:54

has there passed out,

37:57

answers for her, and they

38:00

announce her as a man and wife.

38:02

And then as as the show

38:04

is going off the air triple eight says,

38:06

They've consummated the marriage many times. And

38:09

you see the Jurassic

38:11

Park face of

38:14

staffing in 370 man that she's letting out a big roar.

38:17

Interesting little angle, one of the

38:19

most famous in raw history, it does

38:21

370, really well. 370, it's

38:24

a five point nine eight that night. Ninth truck, it's a

38:27

three point o four. 370

38:30

pretty remarkable. What do you

38:32

remember about this angle? It certainly is

38:34

one that people are still talking about

38:36

today.

38:36

Well, I think it was the

38:38

the swerve that no one saw

38:40

coming with triple h and

38:42

Stephanie. So I think that from

38:45

that vantage point, it

38:47

worked out

38:47

great. And little white chapples. I think

38:50

it's

38:50

it's started out almost. Is

38:52

is that rib? Is that joke? He said,

38:54

oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, that just go

38:58

through the drive through

39:01

wedding. And it's like,

39:03

okay. That's cool. Jim

39:06

Ross and I both highly recommended it

39:08

because this is where we got married. 370 it

39:10

just became a thing. And but I

39:13

thought it was pulled off beautifully

39:16

370 especially

39:19

from the standpoint of the

39:21

shock factor. No one

39:24

no one saw it coming ahead time. one knew we'd

39:26

gone out to Vegas to go out and do that

39:28

shit. And degree,

39:32

it 370 very well. 370 Bauchner:

39:34

No, I definitely did. And people were

39:36

still talking about it. So clearly, you guys were

39:39

on to something. Let me ask. 370

39:42

your favorite wedding angle

39:44

in wrestling history?

39:46

Yeah. Do you have one? I

39:48

would yeah, actually, III have a couple,

39:51

and that was Eric

39:56

Bishop on smackdown with

39:58

Billy and Chuck? Yeah.

40:00

Because it was just again,

40:02

no. One saw that one coming.

40:04

And it was completely out of the

40:06

blue. There was that, and then I also

40:09

loved the one with with Kain

40:11

coming up through the ring. With

40:14

Lita was another great spot

40:17

that just you knew it was gonna

40:19

happen and it was just so absurd the way

40:21

it

40:21

happened. It all worked out

40:24

well. That means good.

40:28

Usually. Usually. 370 edition, on

40:30

November thirtieth,

40:32

is doing a a feature on 370 wedding, as if the whole thing is

40:34

a shoot, which is just tremendous. I

40:37

mean, 370 edition

40:39

is a work. Get out of

40:42

here. What's going

40:44

on

40:44

in their real lives? Triple

40:47

agent, Stephanie, here. Stephanie

40:50

is working with

40:52

370, and she's shadowing Vince

40:55

at the time, and triple h

40:57

is with China. No.

40:59

Nope. Talking about real life. What's

41:02

Stephanie doing in her

41:04

real life? 370

41:06

was working in the office with Vince and creative. What do you I mean, I don't understand what the question

41:08

is. Is she have a boyfriend? Is she

41:10

dating? Is she in a relationship? 370.

41:14

She had a boyfriend. During this time,

41:17

we're in nineteen ninety nine.

41:20

She yeah.

41:22

She shot a boyfriend all the way until

41:25

roughly two thousand

41:28

and one. Yeah. Two

41:29

thousand and one because it

41:31

was the two

41:33

thousand I gotta think parties

41:35

of of how I remember meeting 370

41:37

and stuff. But, yeah, she had a boyfriend, best of my knowledge. What do you

41:40

remember about that boyfriend? What can

41:41

you tell us about him?

41:45

Did I only met I only met a

41:47

couple of her boyfriends a couple of times,

41:49

and and they were all nice guys.

41:51

The last one before triple h

41:53

was think he was a baseball player,

41:56

but just a real 370, nice

41:58

guy. And

42:00

the the other one, I think, 370

42:02

she was dating during this time, was somebody from high school and

42:04

somebody that she had known for a while.

42:06

370 she

42:09

always said, you know, they were always real nice. I didn't think anything

42:11

of it. Was there ever

42:14

discussion

42:15

with Vince about you

42:19

know, my daughter well, I mean, you know, we hear a lot

42:21

of people say things like,

42:23

you know, my my

42:25

will be in the business. I'd never let my son in the

42:28

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42:30

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42:32

ever any sort of obviously, they folded

42:34

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42:36

sort of drawing the line at god

42:38

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42:38

it? She's not allowed to date any of

42:41

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42:41

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42:44

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42:46

that I used to paint

42:49

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42:51

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42:54

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42:56

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42:58

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43:01

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43:04

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43:06

you know, wrestler was not even in the equation. I think

43:08

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43:10

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45:59

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46:02

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46:03

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46:04

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46:06

today trying to figure out the

46:08

timeline. Nobody knows the timeline. Except

46:14

for Hunter and Steph. No one really

46:16

knows the timeline. I can tell you I can

46:18

go back

46:20

the two

46:21

thou New Year's two

46:24

thousand. Big party at Vince's

46:26

house, and Stephanie was

46:28

there with with her boyfriend

46:30

and what have 370, really nice guy and and so on and so forth.

46:32

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46:37

370 thousand

46:39

that year. And then you really

46:41

didn't hear too much about

46:43

her boyfriend at

46:46

that time. So let's

46:48

fast forward to January

46:52

of two thousand and one.

46:55

And Jerry Briscoe and I have

46:57

this thing that we used to sit

46:59

back and and you watch people.

47:02

My mom and people watch 370. I like to just

47:04

kinda observe things.

47:06

We used to see two

47:08

people hanging out together

47:10

and

47:11

catch them on the road

47:14

sometimes hanging out together and you'd go,

47:16

oh, boy, that that's gonna turn

47:18

into a couple

47:18

right there. And we used to have a

47:21

turn for 370. We actually was Vince's term. And the

47:23

first time that I heard Vince use it

47:25

was when Hunter and China

47:28

had got together. And Vince said, I think

47:30

he's worked self into a

47:32

shoot. So

47:34

we use the same

47:36

same term here. We're watching

47:40

everything 370 on and rehearsals and all this other stuff.

47:44

And

47:44

they had to kiss

47:47

on screen and they had to be boyfriend girl 370 husband

47:49

and wife on screen a lot 370 go,

47:52

man, if he's not

47:52

careful, he's gonna work himself into a

47:55

shoot here. And that

47:57

was probably January two thousand

47:59

and one that I

48:00

ever noticed it

48:01

when I

48:04

knew it. Was

48:06

the first XfL

48:09

game. And that's when I knew they were together

48:12

because it was something Stephanie had said to me about something

48:14

I had said to triple

48:16

h. And it was just weird how she

48:18

defended it. And I I thought, okay,

48:20

they're together.

48:22

Because she wouldn't defend it like that if

48:25

it was

48:27

just intuition, I guess, is the best

48:29

way to describe it.

48:32

storyline that's happening here on the December

48:34

sixth of all, Stephanie would try to get

48:36

triple h to sign an annulment.

48:38

And he instead wants her to go in

48:40

the shower with him the

48:42

background are actually cheering triple h

48:44

on because

48:46

he's sort of the face at this point.

48:48

And this is the the cool edgy

48:51

heel here but that's over. Eventually,

48:54

later in the show, triplet comes down to the ring

48:56

with some flowers and he's showing with fans

48:58

and they're all chanting that he's an

49:00

asshole 370 He

49:02

chastises them for crapping all over

49:04

Stephanie. When she was pouring her heart out

49:06

to all of

49:08

these fans, And he said they're

49:10

calling her names, like slut. And he says, you

49:12

know, she's not a slut. I'd never marry a

49:14

slut. 370 she

49:17

comes to him with papers and blames him for the fans ruining what

49:19

was a great thing and cries for

49:21

a moment and he

49:26

fake cries and calls her out and

49:30

says, you know, he'll

49:32

let her have what she wants.

49:36

Talk me through this whole annrollment storyline

49:38

370 370, you

49:41

know Vince McMahon's involved.

49:44

Well, yeah. The the whole idea was you

49:46

wanted people to truly believe that

49:49

she 370 against

49:52

her will. And she is

49:54

driving. And the, you know, the

49:56

backstory 370 will

49:58

come to find out was one that

50:00

they're really in Kahoots here.

50:03

Stephanie 370 triple h, and that she

50:05

she actually fell in love with him and

50:07

so on and so forth. So it it's all

50:09

part of a ruse now to basically suck

50:11

her vents in. And they're setting

50:13

up a match here for triple h 370 Vince McMahon, but there's a

50:16

restraining order, so Vince can't do

50:18

anything now. 370 some

50:20

of this is really good promo work by Triple H. But

50:22

as we get ready to to build

50:24

towards this, a few days later on smackdown,

50:27

test apologizes to Stephanie. Stephanie

50:29

gives him back the ring. They both cried, and they're

50:32

about to kiss when

50:34

triple h has XBOG

50:37

370 a run-in. And at the

50:39

armageddon pay per view, it finally happens. Triple h, 370 McMahon

50:42

at the end of the match, Triple h gets a

50:45

pipe. But then puts the pipe down and grabs the sledgehammer. a

50:48

couple of low blows back and forth eventually.

50:50

Stephanie's in there and Triple

50:55

h is teasing that he's gonna hit Stephanie

50:58

with the sledgehammer. But then he

51:00

drops the sledgehammer and then they hug

51:02

and kiss to end

51:04

the show. And what do you know?

51:06

It looks like Stephanie, who's been portrayed as the Stampsland

51:08

Distress, the good girl

51:10

for all these

51:12

370, is now making a heel

51:14

turn. This is all

51:16

Vince and Triple h

51:19

doing this? Yep. Ship off the old

51:21

block. God damn it. She's a

51:23

natural heel. It's worth

51:26

mentioning the

51:28

next night. Raul crushes

51:30

in the ratings. So even though we're sort of poking

51:32

fun at this, man, it was over here.

51:34

Overall, Raul is gonna double

51:36

nitro in every head to headquarter accept

51:38

the main event, doing a six point one rating. Nitro is gonna

51:41

fall to a two point eight two

51:43

rating, so it's incredible. On

51:46

that show, Vince is in the ring calling out triple h and calling

51:48

him a rapist and a coward. Triple

51:51

h has music

51:53

hits. But instead, It's

51:56

Stephanie, wearing leather pants.

51:58

And she talks about bashing the

52:00

his brains in with a sledge hammer

52:04

And she says, like it or not,

52:06

we're married. And

52:08

it's always been about Vince even at the

52:10

expense of his own family. And

52:12

she loved Andrew but did not wanna get married. Fans start to call her

52:14

a bitch and she says she's not daddy's

52:17

little girl anymore. She's gonna do things her way

52:19

and it feels damn good.

52:22

She says she used to get butterflies when triple h would

52:24

look at her, and she didn't

52:26

mean for it to happen, but it did. And she'd

52:28

like to have stood up to Vince.

52:31

And made business personal. And

52:33

she reminded Vince that he allowed her

52:35

to be abducted. And

52:38

she talked about how she was sacrificed

52:42

370 so he could screw Austin. You

52:44

know, it goes around, comes around,

52:46

and the best way to get back

52:48

at near old dad to the man,

52:50

he hates the most, that's what

52:53

really turns her 370, and

52:55

Vince looks ill. Triple h and

52:57

Stephanie, yes. And I gotta say Pretty

53:00

good finish to the storyline

53:02

here. Is it not? Yeah. I

53:04

thought it was great and it was

53:06

an an again, it was a reaction to the

53:09

crowd reactions already. The

53:12

audience wouldn't buy in

53:14

staff at this

53:15

point. And Hunter was doing

53:18

things that were cool. So they

53:20

were getting into that, and they

53:22

liked that he had gotten the

53:24

girl and the whole shit with

53:26

Vince that weren't buying as a babyface 370 so her turning heel made

53:28

sense and they

53:29

loved to

53:29

boo her. They still loved to boo

53:32

her. She's 370 heal.

53:35

How would how would

53:37

a coronary scrubber? 370,

53:40

heal motherfucker. Not

53:44

dead. This is

53:44

soccer. 370 a heel. Okay.

53:47

Time out. What does it

53:49

say about how great Michael Hayes

53:51

is? 370 he does? How much Vince

53:53

appreciates him. When he consider the stories about him

53:55

almost pissing on Linda, the

53:58

airplane ride

54:00

from hell Stephanie's wedding 370 on and on and

54:02

on. The

54:04

guy is a resting genius.

54:07

370 other explanation would there

54:09

be to put up with such

54:11

crazy behavior? Even one of

54:13

those stories will get you cut. Right?

54:15

You would think I mean,

54:17

think about all the silly stuff that's happened in

54:20

WWE in the last thirty years that we

54:22

heard resulted in a firing

54:24

or dismissal. Nobody almost

54:26

pissed on Linda. It just

54:28

goes to show you that Michael

54:30

Hays is a lovable dude. Now 370 know

54:33

that because we know him in real life, but can't convey that 370, but

54:35

not only is he a likable

54:38

dude and easy

54:40

to 370. But

54:42

my god. He must be a wrestling genius

54:44

for McMahon to do this. We

54:47

all know how quirky Vince is. And

54:49

for him to sort of turn a blind eye if you will

54:52

or just keep 370 under his

54:54

employ, God bless you,

54:56

Michael Hays. We love you,

54:58

but 370, Not as much as

55:00

Vince does. Let's get back to it.

55:02

Something to wrestle with

55:04

Michael Hays. Well, they were

55:06

free at the wedding,

55:08

the famous Hunter Hirst 370,

55:10

Stephanie McMahon wedding, a

55:12

pretty famous story here. Maybe

55:15

he was overserved a little bit. Wayne

55:17

Keller would write. Michael Hays made

55:19

a spectacle of himself at the

55:21

wedding of triple h Stephan

55:23

McMahon, an attendee paraphrase Hayes

55:26

drunken wedding reception antics.

55:28

First, Hayes got on stage to perform jailhouse rock

55:30

with the wedding ban and his performance drew a

55:32

few uncomfortable chuckles and was considered out of

55:34

place by many of those in 370. Wrong.

55:38

That was stalking on fire and was one of the highlights of the

55:40

wedding. The the jailhouse

55:42

rock performance was off the

55:44

chart great.

55:47

Where Michael's lost everyone was when he took the stage

55:49

again later that night in order to perform another

55:51

song. This time the band refused, which

55:53

led Hays to berate them.

55:55

Hays decided to sing without the band supporting him and based

55:58

on one reception attendee's

56:00

account, Hayes said something along

56:02

these lines. This song goes

56:04

out to Stephanie and Hunter.

56:06

Fuck. I mean, Stephanie and

56:08

Paul, the billion dollar princess and

56:10

the million dollar talent. starts

56:12

singing a song, encourages everyone

56:14

to join in, and specifically,

56:16

Kurt Engel, speaks up

56:18

and says that you're making a fool out

56:20

of your self. And eventually, Linda takes the stage, snatches the

56:22

microwave from Hayes, and says, thank you,

56:24

Michael, in the most

56:26

sarcastic manner. It was described

56:28

to the torches, low class, and low

56:30

brow. Everything Vince 370 doesn't

56:32

want to be. Allegedly, triple h

56:34

was pissed off by his antics

56:37

as were a number of guests. Nobody wanted to throw

56:39

the first punch and mess up the wedding, but he

56:41

had one coming, said one observer,

56:43

you were there? What'd you think of the

56:45

the encore performance by mister

56:47

Hayes? Highly entertaining. 370 know,

56:52

370 might

56:53

have had a little too much to

56:55

drink, but he like I said,

56:57

the first performance, he

57:00

tore the house down.

57:02

And I don't think

57:04

anybody was disappointed by that one. That one was

57:06

absolutely great. Then

57:08

when he went on to sing a

57:10

song that no one knew what he was trying to sing. And

57:12

there was there might have been a

57:14

f word in there. But

57:18

that was absolutely 370. And when Curt

57:20

went up, say, hey, Michael, why don't

57:22

you? Come on. What are

57:24

you gonna do? What are you gonna do? 370

57:27

on

57:27

me. That's when

57:28

Linda intervened and just took the

57:32

microphone

57:32

and Thank

57:33

you very much. And Michael 370, I think I'm gonna

57:35

go bet now. Dave Dave

57:37

Dave.

57:37

I'm sleepy

57:38

and tired. I think I need to

57:41

go to bed. I got an ideal.

57:43

How much heat was on Michael after

57:46

that? I don't I don't think it was any

57:47

heat. It was a fun. Yeah. I mean, it was a

57:49

fun, really. 370 was

57:52

one of those fun moments you had something to talk

57:54

about. Go ahead and tell a story that

57:57

Bringer Witts told one of our New York

57:59

shows a few years ago. Where

58:02

Stephanie's pregnant and everybody's

58:06

sort of talking about all

58:08

the crazy antics that Michael Hays has had over the years. And Brian

58:11

raised the question, what would

58:14

Michael Hays have

58:16

to do in order to get

58:17

fired. And he went through some of these

58:20

crazy antics. We're almost peed on

58:22

Linda. He maybe showed out a little

58:24

bit, had a little too much to drink over indulge

58:26

at the wedding. And he he

58:28

sort of Brian made up

58:30

a song, maybe a Beyonce

58:32

song. I think Beyonce

58:34

was all the single ladies

58:36

And Michael Hayes had a different

58:37

one. Little stupid baby.

58:39

Somewhere. Yeah. Oh, you

58:42

know, stupid baby. Yeah.

58:44

It was The

58:46

idea being, if I'm a joggy memory here a little bit.

58:49

Brian's he

58:51

could do an impression. Of

58:53

Michael Hayes. And he would

58:56

say, at baby, don't

58:58

know shit. Stupid

59:00

fucking baby. 370 walk

59:02

at all. Who got baby ever beat?

59:04

Yeah. That little baby

59:05

ain't 370 shit. And then 370 broke

59:08

into all

59:10

stupid babies. Your stupid baby. Yeah. We had

59:12

we had fun with that. Talk about

59:14

Brian and

59:16

Michael's relationship. Brock

59:18

Wertz was lead writer, RAW, extremely

59:21

talented, brineless' star show. So Chad talked to

59:23

Brian You just 370

59:26

story. By the way. I know. I I teed it up as good. Alright. Good.

59:28

But you know what? It's Just come

59:30

to a show sometime. Well, I guess we're out

59:32

of shows. Yeah. Well, yeah. Oh, what happens?

59:36

But

59:37

no. They had

59:38

Brian was raw and

59:40

Michael SmackDown. Dude, dude.

59:44

It was kind of a love hate relationship and

59:46

it was it was one of those that Michael being from

59:48

the south, 370 being from New York

59:50

370, it

59:52

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59:55

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59:55

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59:58

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1:00:06

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Yeah. Since we've mentioned Stephanie

1:02:00

a few times, I guess I should mention that around

1:02:02

the same time, she appeared on Howard

1:02:04

Stern show. Do you remember disappearance,

1:02:08

Bruce? I don't. Well, she

1:02:10

shows up and she talks

1:02:12

about everything you would imagine that might

1:02:15

talk about, including her relationship with

1:02:18

China and how her and triple h got

1:02:20

together, we'll cover that at at some point in

1:02:22

the future. But since we're talking about

1:02:24

her husband, bang in

1:02:26

corpses. I guess 370 should mention here that on the

1:02:28

show, she admits that

1:02:30

she may need additional enhancement surgery

1:02:32

on her breasts because she

1:02:34

370, I lost a lot of weight and

1:02:37

they shrank the two melted packs of

1:02:39

butter. And she describes exactly what type

1:02:41

of implant she would like instead. And

1:02:43

then she says that her sex life with Triple

1:02:45

H produces, quote, the best sex I've ever

1:02:47

had. And

1:02:50

even says, Triple h bings me hard when I

1:02:52

like it 370, but I like

1:02:54

a variation. 370 also

1:02:58

about how they shaved

1:03:00

themselves. When this comes

1:03:02

out, you know, it just

1:03:04

feels This

1:03:06

is not a CEO of a billion dollar company's

1:03:08

daughter, and this is not something she's

1:03:10

saying in public. And this is not

1:03:13

someone in Trump's cabinet's daughter. This

1:03:16

is a much different, much more

1:03:18

edgy, man, let's let it all hang

1:03:19

out. We are the 370, and we have

1:03:22

attitude era. Is it not? It was

1:03:24

the attitude era, and it was, you know,

1:03:26

coming off the heels of, you know, Vince had

1:03:28

done a

1:03:30

article interview in Playboy

1:03:32

and had the same kind of sentiment. And I

1:03:34

think that it was more along the lines of

1:03:36

Stephanie and her character at that time

1:03:38

and trying to be

1:03:39

edgy, shooting out there. You know, I

1:03:42

think that's something a lot of people are gonna

1:03:44

hear and maybe just gloss

1:03:46

over. But you're gonna say, much like Hall

1:03:48

Cogan said on the sand, that that was the

1:03:50

Stephanie McMahon character not

1:03:52

real life Stephanie answering

1:03:55

those questions. Right? That's

1:03:57

what I'd imagine. I never heard the interview, but that's what

1:03:59

I'd imagine. Yeah. I'd imagine her being edgy and trying

1:04:01

to get out there and create

1:04:03

controversy and get people

1:04:05

talking. Well, they were talking after that. I mean, that was

1:04:07

all over the message boards and it's all anybody

1:04:09

was talking about, and it was

1:04:11

just interesting that that conversation is happening, not too far removed

1:04:13

from Katy Vic. And it feels like for the first

1:04:16

time, we're getting way, way

1:04:18

edgy even in the

1:04:19

McMahon

1:04:21

Wade Keller is gonna have a report

1:04:24

about John Lauren Titus. He would write

1:04:26

370 current good standing with Stephanie is,

1:04:28

quote, Steff still sees

1:04:30

John as the golden boy, whereas

1:04:32

Vince sees through it. It might be

1:04:34

because John was never around before Steph was

1:04:36

a boss so he treats her with respect.

1:04:39

Or as others still see her as daddy's

1:04:41

girl on a high horse.

1:04:43

You know, that's something that you've talked

1:04:45

about a little bit in in older episodes

1:04:47

that it was a challenge for some of the

1:04:49

office personnel, perhaps yourself included once

1:04:52

upon a

1:04:54

time, when you knew her as the little girl that used

1:04:56

to, you know, see her at the McMahon

1:04:58

compound and now she's

1:05:01

370 she's a player. What

1:05:03

was her relationship like with John Lauren Titus

1:05:05

in this era? And what can

1:05:07

you tell us about Stephanie sorta

1:05:09

coming into her own as an

1:05:12

executive in the

1:05:12

company? Well, I think that, you

1:05:14

know, John was new, and John didn't, you know,

1:05:17

hadn't had that relationship before.

1:05:20

So coming in. John was just doing his job. And

1:05:22

again, it was the most

1:05:24

thankless job in the company.

1:05:26

Right. I'm in

1:05:28

talent relations. 370 falls

1:05:30

on you 370 your

1:05:32

fault. So John was

1:05:34

just doing his

1:05:36

job and a lot of creative

1:05:38

at that time. 370, again,

1:05:41

you look at everything

1:05:44

that stuff 370 done, and especially

1:05:47

370, it's it was

1:05:49

all new then. It was all

1:05:51

it was all brand new and like anything

1:05:53

370, people would sit back and go, oh my god,

1:05:55

you know, they

1:05:58

don't understand

1:06:00

you gotta earn your stripes. You're new.

1:06:01

You're four years you're you're four years in the

1:06:04

company. Well,

1:06:07

A part of that

1:06:07

is true. You forget

1:06:10

about the other twenty five years

1:06:12

living the life

1:06:15

of the company. And being surrounded by her

1:06:18

entire life. So for

1:06:20

someone with, let's say, you know,

1:06:22

eight to ten year veteran

1:06:25

in the company 370 this kid

1:06:27

comes in that, oh, they're

1:06:30

only there because they're in

1:06:32

the family. They forget

1:06:34

about the experience

1:06:36

in the education that

1:06:39

they received at

1:06:41

the foot of the people making those decisions

1:06:43

for their entire life and

1:06:46

how all those decisions

1:06:48

affected their entire

1:06:50

life. So

1:06:52

I'll take those that experience

1:06:55

over the the

1:06:57

Harvard graduate any day

1:06:59

370 the week. And that's just that's

1:07:01

just life. I think that that's human nature and

1:07:03

now people look at things sometimes

1:07:05

without the realistic look of.

1:07:07

Okay. Well, maybe 370

1:07:10

give them a chance and just because they're

1:07:12

young, it doesn't mean they're stupid.

1:07:14

I'm glad you mentioned Stephanie, because

1:07:16

Stephanie went on record of saying that

1:07:19

Paul was the first writer that she ever

1:07:21

had to suspend without pay.

1:07:24

And she says it was because Paul was

1:07:26

behaving like

1:07:28

a What's the backstory on all this? What can you tell us about the

1:07:30

suspension? Well,

1:07:31

I don't think

1:07:34

he 370 suspended

1:07:36

without pay. 370 may have said

1:07:38

that, but I don't think he was suspended without pay. Okay.

1:07:42

Paul had a

1:07:44

habit of trying to get young

1:07:47

disciples around

1:07:48

him. Paul always like to have

1:07:51

a step in

1:07:51

fetching. He he like to

1:07:54

have young boys that would

1:07:56

do his bidding go get him,

1:07:58

his his laundry, and go get

1:08:00

him his. Compute

1:08:02

chicken extra pao easy on

1:08:04

the peanuts. Make them salted

1:08:07

extra chicken, sir.

1:08:10

And Paul would

1:08:11

just recruit. So

1:08:12

anytime that a new writer would

1:08:14

come in or a writer's assistant, would

1:08:19

come in. Paul would take them under his

1:08:21

wing. I will show you the wing,

1:08:23

my good man. And

1:08:26

there was one in particular by

1:08:29

the name of Dominic

1:08:32

that he

1:08:35

was a nice young

1:08:35

guy, but little goofy.

1:08:38

But

1:08:39

Paul had

1:08:40

chosen Dominic as

1:08:43

his new disciple. And Paul had

1:08:45

gotten up and and kinda grand standard

1:08:48

in the

1:08:51

writer's room about this young man is trying

1:08:54

hard and he wants to go out and he wants to prove himself.

1:08:56

So I

1:08:59

would like for everyone to listen to his ideas with

1:09:01

a full heart and give him

1:09:03

an opportunity to contribute

1:09:06

to this team. So Whatever

1:09:09

Dominic doesn't want everyone to give

1:09:11

him his attention and and and listen. Now Dominic, you had an Please

1:09:13

pitch it to

1:09:16

the

1:09:16

root. And this

1:09:18

was at a time when everybody had kinda

1:09:20

started seeing through some of Paul's stuff, and and Paul

1:09:22

wasn't the most popular guy in the room?

1:09:27

And Dominic made a pitch for a

1:09:30

women's match in which

1:09:34

the women would be stripped down completely naked in

1:09:37

the ring. And

1:09:40

everybody's

1:09:40

like, okay, Dom. Then

1:09:42

what? What do you do?

1:09:45

Well no. No. No. Dominic, what what do you

1:09:47

do? I mean, they're they're they're

1:09:51

naked. What You

1:09:54

can't have naked women.

1:09:56

No, man. They got Nip

1:09:58

covers. And when he said Nip

1:10:00

covers, THAT

1:10:03

JUST EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM BLUE

1:10:05

Gasket, ESPECIALLY BRYING AWARDS?

1:10:08

WELL, HALMAN TOOK

1:10:10

THIS situation and,

1:10:11

of course, blows

1:10:13

up, starts cutting the

1:10:15

promo on Brian

1:10:18

for disrespect suspecting Dominic and disrespecting these young

1:10:20

riders who are trying to be a part

1:10:22

of this team and trying to

1:10:24

pitch ideas, but 370 you

1:10:27

make fun of them. And

1:10:29

Brian fired back on

1:10:30

Paul. And when they did, it was kinda like two umpires.

1:10:37

Or or an uplier in a in

1:10:39

a ball ball player when they bump chess. And they come across the room at

1:10:41

each other and kinda bump

1:10:43

chess and and I

1:10:46

wasn't really paying attention at

1:10:48

this point to the argument

1:10:51

because it was silly

1:10:54

at best. But when they bump chest, there

1:10:56

was one of the riders in the room, guy named

1:10:58

Pete Doyle. And Pete jumps up and Pete gets

1:11:00

in between him and is holding him back and,

1:11:02

like, I ain't calm down. Calm down. And and

1:11:05

it I thought it was

1:11:07

a pinch

1:11:07

fight. It looked like

1:11:10

two girls

1:11:11

in a pinch fight. So

1:11:12

they got separated and

1:11:15

and somehow Stephanie found

1:11:19

out about

1:11:20

it. And

1:11:22

they get called into

1:11:23

Stephanie's office and reprimanded. And the part that

1:11:26

and they they were both suspended.

1:11:30

Okay? But the part that pissed me off more

1:11:32

than anything was I

1:11:34

was supposed to go home

1:11:37

that

1:11:37

day. And

1:11:37

I was supposed to go home on

1:11:39

like

1:11:40

a three o'clock

1:11:41

flight. And I was told I couldn't go home

1:11:43

until Stephanie met with the team.

1:11:45

So I had

1:11:46

to catch an earlier I mean, a later flight to have Stephanie come

1:11:49

into

1:11:49

the room to tell

1:11:51

us that Paul and

1:11:54

Brian were going to be sent home for

1:11:56

three weeks 370 that we were to

1:11:58

have no contact with him. And

1:12:02

in the all time classic Michael Hays line

1:12:04

to this day, the

1:12:05

best. And this is partly where

1:12:07

we get

1:12:09

370 dude,

1:12:11

dude from. Michael

1:12:11

blurts out, but he didn't do

1:12:14

it. He did it. 370

1:12:18

at Hayman. He started it, Stephanie. He

1:12:21

did did 370. My goodness.

1:12:23

And the whole room

1:12:24

was like here it was

1:12:26

like you were in third

1:12:28

grade. And

1:12:29

he started the fight. So, yeah, they they gotta

1:12:31

go home and still

1:12:35

get they still got paid. I'm

1:12:37

sure they still got paid. They got paid and and got to go home and didn't have to do

1:12:40

shit. Is this

1:12:42

around the same time that

1:12:46

the phone call story happens, the conference call story. The

1:12:49

conference call story happened

1:12:51

during during this suspension

1:12:55

time. And Paul was the phone call

1:12:58

story folks

1:12:58

for those of you who don't

1:13:01

know what the hell we're talking

1:13:03

about. We would have conference calls over the weekend where

1:13:05

you would dial into a number and then

1:13:07

you had a code, you dial into

1:13:09

the code, and everybody gets on

1:13:11

a conference call.

1:13:13

So when you get on the

1:13:14

call, you had to announce your name. So I would say Bruce has just joined the conference. Conrad

1:13:16

has just joined the conference. Vince

1:13:19

has just joined the conference. When

1:13:23

you would drop off and you would hang up, it would

1:13:25

tell you Bruce has left the

1:13:27

conference. Conrad

1:13:29

has left

1:13:30

the conference. So we're having a conference call this Saturday. This

1:13:32

is during time that Paul was

1:13:35

suspended from the company. And

1:13:38

we use the same conference call number because

1:13:40

it was only us that

1:13:42

had

1:13:43

that number. And

1:13:45

we're in the

1:13:46

middle of create a meeting and all

1:13:49

of a sudden we

1:13:51

hear a bp has

1:13:55

left the

1:13:56

conference. There was no

1:13:57

name. So Vince's roll call. Who's

1:13:59

here? Who was that?

1:14:02

Who dropped off? Roll

1:14:04

call. 370. I'm here.

1:14:07

I'm here. I'm here. Everyone was there. 370

1:14:12

someone had been on

1:14:14

and had left the conference. The other

1:14:17

thing about those Calls IS WHEN YOU DIAL

1:14:19

IN IT LOGGED YOUR NUMBER

1:14:22

WHERE YOU'RE CALLING FROM.

1:14:25

THE CALL

1:14:27

CAME FROM A Scarsdale residents

1:14:29

that was traced back

1:14:32

to last

1:14:36

name Hammond, It was his mom

1:14:38

and dad's house? Correct, Amanda. That's

1:14:44

amazing. And Paul denied it. Paul Paul

1:14:46

denied it for the longest time. And I I just told

1:14:48

recently that he was

1:14:50

like, yeah, I was on.

1:14:52

What did that sound

1:14:54

like when he was denying it? I was not on the phone,

1:14:57

sir. It was

1:15:00

not

1:15:00

me. That's all. It

1:15:02

it got trunks back to your parents' house. It was not me. But

1:15:04

but Paul, 370 there

1:15:07

it it went back

1:15:10

to your parents house?

1:15:12

Not it. Well, let's talk

1:15:14

about why Paul was removed. Stephanie

1:15:16

has said that Paul wasn't

1:15:19

effective on the writing team for

1:15:21

whatever reason. 370 and I find that

1:15:23

hard to believe. But

1:15:25

Paul has said that you know, he

1:15:27

wasn't maybe mature enough to be in that

1:15:30

environment at the time. I I

1:15:32

guess, you know, he could

1:15:34

be pretty vocal and pretty 370. And

1:15:37

and had a hard time, I guess, the right word

1:15:39

is assimilating. Can you speak to why you

1:15:41

think he was removed and

1:15:44

and why? Stephanie

1:15:47

would go so far as to say he wasn't 370? Yeah.

1:15:50

Because

1:15:50

Paul had everybody else doing

1:15:52

the work for him. Paul would,

1:15:54

like, shoot out ideas and talk

1:15:56

about, you know, the big picture and

1:15:59

then kinda pawned off to Dave Lugano

1:16:00

or Pat's who or whoever else

1:16:02

was working under him at the time.

1:16:06

And have them come back

1:16:09

with a show. And he would

1:16:11

push it off so late.

1:16:13

He didn't meet deadlines. He would

1:16:15

be late for Vince meetings.

1:16:17

It was a combination of

1:16:20

things that Paul

1:16:23

was almost begging to get off of

1:16:25

the team and begging to just be a talent and not have to

1:16:27

worry about

1:16:30

370 the show from week week because writing the show from week

1:16:32

also came with heat. The boys,

1:16:34

if they

1:16:35

weren't being used, they're coming back to

1:16:37

370, and they're saying, hey, why aren't you

1:16:39

using me? Why aren't you

1:16:41

doing this. So he wasn't, you know, he wasn't being heralded as

1:16:43

as the genius and the

1:16:46

savior at this time.

1:16:48

And 370

1:16:51

just wasn't working and the the rest

1:16:53

of the team members were starting to

1:16:55

complain and

1:16:57

and you could see

1:16:58

through it. You remember he saw through it. You mentioned 370 in

1:17:00

pants. Have you already talked

1:17:03

about Falls to Cycles? Yes.

1:17:07

And

1:17:07

and would you list them all? I

1:17:10

mean, as Bing Pence and and Lecana and

1:17:12

Dominic? Yeah. Those

1:17:14

are the three main ones during his

1:17:16

tenure that he had that he

1:17:18

really tried to bring bring into the Hayman

1:17:20

fold. Describe exactly

1:17:22

what that means in your opinion, how did he

1:17:24

get these guys on board? Was he just super complimentary to

1:17:26

him? Is this kind of reliving the old ECW

1:17:31

pre paper view speeches that we fans have heard

1:17:33

about. A lot

1:17:34

of it like that, yes,

1:17:36

but you also have to remember that

1:17:39

these guys were coming in as writer's

1:17:41

assistance when they first came in.

1:17:43

So their job was to

1:17:45

do whatever, you know, the writers needed them to do. So

1:17:47

Paul would would bring them in and let's

1:17:50

go to Chick fil

1:17:52

A. And come

1:17:54

with 370. I I feel a

1:17:59

part of it. And would ask

1:18:01

them, you know, tell me your 370 me your idea. That is

1:18:04

excellent. I am going to use

1:18:06

that. You will get full credit,

1:18:08

sir.

1:18:10

And he

1:18:11

just he

1:18:12

was Paul. So, yeah, a

1:18:14

lot of the speeches that you've seen

1:18:16

on different things. Paul can be

1:18:19

very persuasive. And a very charismatic

1:18:20

guy. What would you say

1:18:22

was Paul's biggest harm to

1:18:24

himself? I mean, did he have

1:18:27

one big flaws the head writer. Was there one single thing or was

1:18:29

it just trying to delegate too

1:18:31

bunch? Not knowing when does not

1:18:33

knowing when to quit, not knowing

1:18:35

when to tap out, and

1:18:37

be able to move on to the next thing.

1:18:39

Accept the decision and move on. Like it

1:18:42

or don't like it. Just

1:18:44

be able to to accept it and move on

1:18:46

and make it the best you

1:18:47

can. If Paul didn't like an idea, he wouldn't he wouldn't

1:18:49

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1:18:52

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1:20:02

you've never done this before, let me explain. Whenever

1:20:04

you order high quality food like this,

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man, what eats your alive is

1:20:08

the cost of the shipping. Because this

1:20:10

is fresh seafood. Right? You don't want it

1:20:13

to take a week to get to you. Uh-oh. So

1:20:15

you need it to get to

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you pretty quickly. Right? That is costly. But

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get it for free. I wanna recommend

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the famous gift box if

1:20:44

you're looking for

1:20:46

a gift to give 370. How about the

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world's best colossal Maryland crabcakes? We're gonna

1:20:50

get four of them and you're gonna

1:20:52

get two different crab soups, the crab dip,

1:20:54

the seafood seasoning. And their signature base offs. Maybe you're getting ready

1:20:57

for a big Super Bowl party. What about

1:20:59

the tailgate bundle? They got

1:21:01

two pounds a week. A full rack of ribs. A pint

1:21:03

of crab dip and a crab cake mix, but

1:21:05

maybe my favorite 370 just creating your own

1:21:08

package. Let me also

1:21:10

say this. This is not a corporately owned entity.

1:21:12

This is a privately held family owned business

1:21:14

that's been around for more than four decades.

1:21:18

Folks 370 running this place now grew

1:21:20

up in this building. This was their house

1:21:22

and their restaurant. It was a true

1:21:24

family business. And now they just continue to

1:21:26

expand and get bigger and better every single year, you probably send them on TV with Cafe 370 370

1:21:32

Bobby Play, or maybe just the bumpers

1:21:34

in and out of Raven's games. These guys are the real deal. They're friends of the show. I've

1:21:36

done a ton of shows

1:21:38

there. I order food there consistently.

1:21:42

And it's because it's the mess, sincerely. Jimmy's famous

1:21:44

seafood in my opinion is the best

1:21:47

restaurant in America. I have

1:21:49

more fun, I get better food, you're

1:21:51

gonna love it and now they'll deliver to you. You

1:21:53

don't have to go to Baltimore. They're gonna bring it

1:21:55

to you at jimmy's famous seafood

1:21:57

dot

1:21:57

com, which 370 that promo

1:22:00

code, wrestle. Stephanie went 370 the

1:22:02

labor.

1:22:02

Oh, especially after the last conversation we had. They're all after great American bash.

1:22:08

So you lose Vince and

1:22:10

triple h for raw the very next night. And I'm

1:22:13

assuming creative

1:22:16

obviously knows that this is going to happen,

1:22:18

but there's never a good time when you're fresh off of a paper for you to lose two of your top

1:22:20

talents like Vince and

1:22:23

Triple H. But, man, I

1:22:26

think this is something fans sometimes miss,

1:22:28

is that sometimes real life

1:22:30

gets in the way. So you

1:22:32

probably had a raw written that

1:22:35

it goes heavily featuring Triple H and Vince McMahon to just

1:22:37

help set up the storyline of

1:22:39

the McMan's versus

1:22:42

DX. But now, Their are off the table

1:22:45

because Stephanie's making

1:22:47

that baby happen. 370 bullshit.

1:22:52

They all jumped in the plane.

1:22:54

They, like, took off, left us.

1:22:56

All of those

1:22:59

illegal, raw rolled

1:23:00

bone. And it hurt.

1:23:02

It was crazy. It was fucking crazy. I remember, you know, going to

1:23:08

whatever I

1:23:10

forget the the town we ran,

1:23:12

I searched for my

1:23:13

collage, and I walked around and I

1:23:15

looked and we go, I'm

1:23:17

in charge.

1:23:18

I'm in charge

1:23:19

he said, dude, dude, dude that day. I'm pretty

1:23:21

sure he said that day because he said,

1:23:23

dude, dude, I'm in

1:23:24

charge. And

1:23:26

and 370, whenever people see Michael Hays today, just look at him and go, oh, 370 the

1:23:30

the the the man.

1:23:33

Please, just for me. I'm begging you.

1:23:35

He does love does love it. No. You

1:23:37

know what 370 thing is is

1:23:38

he does love it. He does. Yeah.

1:23:43

Alright. It's his favorite Wait, dude, dude, man. Todd

1:23:45

370 was gonna announce on Raul

1:23:47

that Stephanie gave birth to

1:23:50

a baby girl named Aurora

1:23:52

Rose who made the call to

1:23:54

announce that on raw. Is that something that I mean, obviously, Vince approved that. Right? I mean, no

1:23:59

way they're just arbitrarily spilling the beans. But is there

1:24:01

a discussion to to not do that and maybe keep it

1:24:04

private? Because that

1:24:07

is something that other families have chosen over the

1:24:09

years? Yeah.

1:24:10

I'm pretty sure that was Vince's call that, you know, 370 has baby. We

1:24:12

can announce it on

1:24:14

TV and go from

1:24:16

there. And that

1:24:18

didn't go over a little while with Vince. What did he say? Fuck

1:24:24

that.

1:24:24

To quote him. And and I answered his 370, but I

1:24:26

also got Steph, and I informed her what happened.

1:24:29

Well, it it doubled

1:24:31

backfire because then Vince chewed

1:24:34

her out. Mhmm. And it chewed me

1:24:36

out. And then I get chewed out by

1:24:38

both of them at the same time. And

1:24:42

I don't know if I could handle it in a different

1:24:44

way. I was just put

1:24:46

in some really shitty

1:24:49

shitty situations. I think that because of

1:24:52

my relationship with Vince over the

1:24:54

years that I would speak to

1:24:57

him in a way was there an

1:24:59

phrase that I could get away with that other people

1:25:01

couldn't speak to him like? Yeah. I

1:25:03

could say fuck

1:25:06

that. Anybody else to say that, that would be very

1:25:08

disrespectful. Right. However, I do

1:25:10

feel that that Steph looked at

1:25:12

that that I was dis respecting not

1:25:14

only her father but the chairman of the

1:25:17

company. And it's important to

1:25:19

mention in all of this. You're doing

1:25:21

that as someone who's worked with him for

1:25:23

more than twenty years.

1:25:24

Correct. And when we say work with, 370 we

1:25:26

once upon a time, you know, there wasn't a Titan towers,

1:25:31

and there wasn't shareholder meeting. And there

1:25:33

wasn't twelve pay per views a year, and this wasn't a

1:25:35

billion dollar company, and

1:25:38

there weren't two writing

1:25:40

staffs. It was

1:25:42

three dudes sitting around a pool in Connecticut. Hey, about this?

1:25:48

Exactly. So I had

1:25:50

that relationship with Vince. I don't think Vince ever took it as disrespectful.

1:25:52

And

1:25:56

But I also, again, hey, devil's advocate hindsight

1:25:58

being twenty twenty being able to step back and

1:26:03

look at it. I

1:26:04

can see where Stephanie was right saying, hey, when

1:26:06

you say that in front of other people, they don't

1:26:09

know your

1:26:09

relationship with Vince

1:26:10

of twenty two plus years. That's

1:26:14

fair criticism. So

1:26:16

when they hear you say it, then

1:26:18

that makes Right. Yeah. They

1:26:20

feel justified in saying it.

1:26:22

Right. So she's right

1:26:24

in that regard. I just was set

1:26:27

in my ways, an old

1:26:29

timer, crotched the old man

1:26:31

that was set my ways, and here's this young whippers snapper coming in, and

1:26:33

she thinks she knows

1:26:35

everything. She's a boss's daughter.

1:26:36

370 I

1:26:39

never

1:26:39

really had never really viewed her that way. 370 viewed

1:26:42

her

1:26:42

as Steph. I viewed her as

1:26:46

very bright. We had differences of

1:26:48

opinion all the

1:26:49

time. The

1:26:49

fact that I had differences of

1:26:52

opinion with

1:26:54

Vince to me 370. I think I

1:26:56

to

1:26:57

Vince, it

1:26:58

worked because I didn't share

1:27:00

his ideas. I didn't share his point

1:27:02

of view on a lot of things. argued

1:27:04

about a lot and could work

1:27:06

things

1:27:06

out. With Steph, if you disagreed with

1:27:10

her, I think sometimes she took it as being

1:27:16

insubordinate. And trying

1:27:19

to, you know I don't

1:27:21

know. Well, let's run through

1:27:23

that because I know a lot

1:27:25

of people are gonna say that, oh, or kiss and ass or

1:27:27

whatever. But also, too, she's kind of in a lose

1:27:30

lose situation too. I've never been in this situation.

1:27:34

I do work with my parents I started my company. So in a weird way,

1:27:36

my parents worked for me, which

1:27:38

is an interesting dynamic. But I

1:27:41

can imagine in a

1:27:43

situation like this, you know, everybody

1:27:46

feels like they can just bypass her. And that whatever she's thinking about or

1:27:48

whatever is

1:27:51

important to her, you know, doesn't matter

1:27:53

because in the end, we can just go over you. You're only here because of your daddy. And so

1:27:56

she needs to exert some

1:27:58

control every now and again. I'm

1:28:00

370. And she

1:28:02

needs to be cognizant of how

1:28:05

things look. And so that matters

1:28:07

how things look, matter more

1:28:09

370 to her than

1:28:11

they did events. Who is without question I

1:28:14

mean, he is the own question rather, you know, alpha

1:28:17

and omega of

1:28:20

the company. And what he says goes, and

1:28:22

there's no negotiation in that. And there's no worry about

1:28:25

how things look

1:28:28

or perceived But in her case,

1:28:30

she's gonna be more

1:28:31

mindful of that. Very true. And

1:28:33

that that's

1:28:36

fair because 370 look at her

1:28:38

as She's only here because of this or that, and we don't have to really. And

1:28:40

you better watch

1:28:43

out for her and blah

1:28:45

blah blah. And I'm sure she had to deal with some of that. The

1:28:47

but where people were just dismissive of her talents and

1:28:52

just assume that she can contribute nothing simply

1:28:54

because her last name was McMan. So instead of her being smarter

1:28:56

and better at this because her last name

1:28:58

is McMan. On some level, she's viewed as

1:29:02

being more inept and inadequate because

1:29:04

she's only here because she's a

1:29:06

370. Not saying that she is.

1:29:08

I'm just saying 370 certainly a

1:29:10

lot of thinking. And and the flip side

1:29:12

of that too, Shane and I used to look at

1:29:14

each other sometimes after some of the 370

1:29:17

we used to get. And he

1:29:20

would just laugh because we

1:29:22

would get the asked you

1:29:25

in ten times Would

1:29:27

anybody else 370? Because He knew

1:29:29

me. Yeah. He knew me. Shane

1:29:31

was his kid. Stephanie was

1:29:34

his

1:29:34

kid. So those ash chewings

1:29:36

were a thousand times worse than anybody else's

1:29:38

-- Right. -- because of that comfort

1:29:43

level with us. So yeah. And and I

1:29:46

was on that same plane, so I felt for the kids. I felt for both Shane and Stephanie

1:29:49

in

1:29:50

that regard. It

1:29:52

sucked. So it was

1:29:54

it was a no win kind of rock and hard place, and I understood the

1:30:00

You know, I understood the decision,

1:30:02

man. III wasn't the most cooperative.

1:30:07

And hindsight being twenty twenty

1:30:09

on 370 with Vince. I don't

1:30:11

know how I could

1:30:13

have done that differently. I really and truly don't. And

1:30:16

I've tried, but

1:30:19

maybe I could have dealt

1:30:21

with stuff differently. And I and I

1:30:23

think I could have I think

1:30:25

I could have dealt with her

1:30:27

a little bit differently, been able to massage that situation better. So Here's

1:30:32

where it's not cutting time. But I was

1:30:34

remembering a new window out there. And I

1:30:37

heard this for the first

1:30:39

time two years ago. But

1:30:42

people who 370 listening, not all

1:30:45

of them, many of them

1:30:47

have heard this.

1:30:49

370 was remembering

1:30:52

innuendo, but The reason the real

1:30:54

reason you're not there is you

1:30:57

pulled a gun

1:30:59

on some riders. And

1:31:02

I don't know how they got

1:31:04

out there. And I don't

1:31:06

know exactly the context of

1:31:10

which This is reported

1:31:12

370 span. It wasn't in

1:31:14

any major news releases. The

1:31:16

news websites said that they

1:31:19

felt like You weren't necessary

1:31:21

because Stephanie had kinda

1:31:24

stepped into

1:31:27

your role. But then there's this groundswell of. Well, Bruce pulled

1:31:29

a gun on that guy. And some

1:31:31

of that comes from

1:31:34

a Nova shoot interview. With

1:31:38

RF video. Set the record straight. You pull again on some dudes?

1:31:45

Yeah. Bruce had a

1:31:47

gun. It was Hurricane Ike. We left

1:31:49

our home in

1:31:51

Lake City, Texas. 370 I

1:31:54

had a gun in the house, and we were told to evacuate.

1:31:56

So I took the gun with 370.

1:31:59

Went up to Athens, Texas,

1:32:01

to John Leyfield's house

1:32:03

with

1:32:03

my family. But

1:32:04

I had to get to TV,

1:32:06

which

1:32:07

was in Nashville. I didn't wanna leave my wife 370

1:32:09

kids with a gun

1:32:11

in Lightfield's house 370 I

1:32:14

was driving, so I took the gun with me. 370

1:32:21

there, I was gonna fly back. I was told, well, turn

1:32:23

in your your rental car. I planned on driving back.

1:32:28

To

1:32:28

Athens, pick up my family, and then go home. But

1:32:30

while there, I was

1:32:31

told, hey, you know, you you got

1:32:32

a rental car. Just turn the

1:32:34

rental car and we'll fly you home.

1:32:37

So I got bridalauer. We were we were

1:32:39

in Nashville, and

1:32:43

I got brno to get

1:32:46

me a he had a a gun box with a lock on it.

1:32:48

And I asked

1:32:51

the head of security

1:32:54

said, hey, I'm I've got a gun.

1:32:56

I gotta

1:32:57

get it back on a plane. What do

1:32:59

I do? And he says, well, here's

1:33:01

what you do. You gotta get a box.

1:33:03

Gotta be locked, you a a key, and then you've gotta

1:33:06

check it, you've gotta claim it at

1:33:08

baggage, but you have to check it,

1:33:10

and you have to fill out all this

1:33:12

paperwork. So

1:33:14

Bruno knew I had a gun. Security guy knew I had a gun. addition

1:33:20

to that,

1:33:22

the last night of the TV.

1:33:24

Did you say the security guy's

1:33:26

name? It

1:33:27

was Jim Kelly. Okay. Great

1:33:29

guy. 370 nice guy. A super nice

1:33:31

guy. I've had the pleasure of meeting

1:33:33

him a few times. Really really cool guy.

1:33:35

Former NFL background, 370 to

1:33:38

be a nice guy. Yeah. He's he's cool of shit. So I went

1:33:44

and Some guys asked me to go out

1:33:46

that night, and I told them that I had to put my gun up and safe. People know I had the gun,

1:33:48

and stories kinda

1:33:51

go from there. So the

1:33:53

the story gets back, the the bruce pulled a gun, and I was one thing

1:33:55

Stephanie asked me. I

1:33:58

told her the story,

1:34:01

370

1:34:04

we talked about other things

1:34:06

370 we disagreed. And she says,

1:34:09

well, I'm gonna ask you 370 leave. And

1:34:11

if you Boston. Whoa.

1:34:15

You're skipping

1:34:16

around. Well, we talked

1:34:18

about a lot of things. We talked about the issue

1:34:20

with the

1:34:24

stuff with Vince that I just went

1:34:26

over, and then she said, then there's this gun issue. She calls a meeting. She calls a

1:34:29

meeting in Boston before

1:34:31

the survivor series.

1:34:33

370 this

1:34:35

is November of two

1:34:38

thousand eight? Yes. And

1:34:40

you when

1:34:42

she calls a meeting, and this is during the show, right

1:34:45

before the

1:34:45

show, right after the show? No. She asked me no.

1:34:47

She asked me 370 in

1:34:49

early. Okay. 370 the show. So I came in

1:34:51

before anybody got there. And then she asked me

1:34:53

she asked me about the

1:34:55

370. She asked me if I pulled

1:34:57

the gun also wanted to say no.

1:34:59

And she said, we went home, and

1:35:02

I'm gonna ask you to leave.

1:35:04

And I said,

1:35:05

okay. I got up left.

1:35:07

And it was that cut and dry. From

1:35:09

there and I'm I'm thinking

1:35:11

about this and and I

1:35:14

just saw God damn man. This is fucking

1:35:16

crazy. And I told her the whole story. I

1:35:19

told her the Ike story 370 going

1:35:22

and so I can't believe you brought a gun to work. Okay.