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some dark times in professional

3:06

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3:11

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3:13

was struggling to put eight or 900

3:15

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3:18

was just a down period for all of

3:20

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3:25

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3:31

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3:41

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3:43

Royal Rumble and WrestleMania

3:45

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3:47

of his career throughout 1994 and 1995. And

3:52

I want to remind everybody, I'm actually going

3:54

to be on stage with Brett before, you

3:56

know, it's star cast down under April 11th

3:58

through the 14th. Alloratt, Victoria,

4:00

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4:02

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4:04

a star cast on stage with

4:06

me. I can't wait to

4:09

pick his brain. It's going to be a lot of fun.

4:11

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4:13

course we're going to talk about the 30th anniversary of his

4:15

fabulous WrestleMania 10 match against

4:17

his brother. Owen. What a special

4:19

moment that was. And it's hard to believe it was

4:21

30 years ago. So

4:23

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4:27

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4:34

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Hart in 1994 and 1995

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right here on something to wrestle with

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Bruce Prichard. Bruce Prichard.

7:33

What is going on? Are you done

7:35

yelling at me? All

7:37

you have done, you got on the phone, you

7:39

got on this little contraptions, they give me a

7:42

jig thing that we have here. And all you've

7:44

done is yell at me. Okay.

7:47

Are you done? Nope. I'm just getting

7:50

started. Oh, hell.

7:52

We have missed you. Man, you don't

7:54

call anymore or nothing. It's like I

7:56

sit around and I just, I

7:58

wait, I wait. I go, man, I wonder

8:00

if he's ever going to call me. I mean, at

8:03

least see how the fuck I'm doing. I don't know.

8:05

You know, something. You

8:09

are the big barbecues smoking

8:11

out on the smizz ochre today. Right.

8:16

Wait, I thought you were a damn Yuzenki. How

8:20

far from the kid, far from it. Well, you're up there eating your

8:22

hard rolls. Nah, man. Got

8:25

some, um, got some, not baby

8:27

backs. Not baby

8:29

backs. I got spare ribs. See I'm an old

8:31

school guy. Like I was eating spare ribs for

8:33

the head. They baby back commercialized

8:36

ribs. I just want

8:38

pork spare ribs. See, I

8:40

thought you would be a big guy. Texas

8:43

guy. Oh yeah. You

8:45

know, simple, simple, simple, simple, simple.

8:48

I like it. We'll go with that. I

8:50

mean, people are just excited that you and I are recording.

8:52

Thank you for taking the time. I know it's been, well,

8:55

what? Oh, or when I supposed to

8:57

be. What? Nevermind. It's just you

8:59

and I having a casual conversation. No, let's

9:01

do it. Hypothetically.

9:04

Is this one of the craziest years of your

9:06

entire career? You know,

9:08

uh, let's call it exciting,

9:10

man. It's exciting

9:12

times. It's a time in life

9:15

for which I think

9:17

that people take life for granted

9:19

sometimes and take things happening around

9:21

you for granted. And

9:23

it's all in how you look at life and you

9:25

can either love life, live

9:28

life, or you can hate

9:30

life and you can just exist. So

9:34

I choose to, I, there

9:36

were times in my life that I chose

9:38

the latter, but I choose the former, I

9:40

would rather go ahead and live life and

9:42

enjoy it because life's a

9:44

journey, not a destination. And

9:47

remember the light at the end of the tunnel, maybe

9:50

you. Well, what the

9:52

fuck are you doing right now? What are you just

9:54

gassed up? Are you, if you don't slip, like what?

9:57

I'm not very well when you say I got a

9:59

brain. and new record that I

10:01

got a place that says, not now boy,

10:04

but I need it anyway, cause I'm

10:06

ready. So ready.

10:10

You're just excited to be back. And buddy,

10:12

we are too. I can't believe it's really

10:14

happening. We're recording a new piece of

10:17

content here today. We're going to be talking Bret Hart's 1994 and

10:20

Bret Hart's 1995. And

10:22

man, I'm pumped for that, but I got to tell you.

10:24

Don't break the rules. What you, okay, go ahead. I

10:27

see I have to talk to you forever. I just want

10:29

to talk. And it's like, I feel like I'm jumping all

10:31

over you and just cutting you off, but go ahead. I'm

10:33

sorry. You're not cutting me off. I'm excited

10:35

that you're able to record, but listen,

10:37

before we talk about the old stuff, I know we

10:39

don't talk about the new stuff. I'm not going to

10:41

put the screws to you on anything new. However,

10:45

it does feel like if you wanted to

10:47

say anything at all to your loyal and

10:49

faithful audience that has tuned in

10:52

with their fingers crossed every Friday for an extended

10:54

period of time, I haven't heard from you.

10:57

Is there anything you would like to share or

10:59

talk about or discuss? You know what? I

11:02

think that more than anything, thank you.

11:04

Thank you. And I do love you. I really

11:06

and truly do know that's not a gimmick. I

11:08

love you. I actually like you and love you

11:10

and appreciate you. The fact that you would actually

11:13

continue to come in and

11:15

listen to some of our mega-sodes that

11:17

we have put together that are like,

11:19

holy cow. We said that. We did

11:21

that. You know what? So

11:25

thanks for hanging in there. Times have

11:27

been crazy. And as I said earlier,

11:29

it's a period in

11:31

time that will go down is

11:34

one of the pivotal points in

11:41

the world in which I have existed in the

11:43

last damn near 60 years. So

11:46

it's pretty crazy, but you want to

11:48

bite your tongue. At

11:51

least I do. I have to bite my tongue.

11:53

I can't come out and

11:56

say things when things are going. things

12:00

are reported incorrectly or

12:02

just out and out

12:05

falsehood and out

12:07

and out lies.

12:10

And sometimes it really irritates me and

12:12

sometimes it doesn't. And

12:14

I'm not in a position where I

12:16

can really comment on some of those,

12:19

but it's for those that choose to be negative

12:21

and want to believe the negative, then you're a

12:23

negative person and that's what you're going to do.

12:25

So have at it. I'm not going to try

12:27

and change anything else, but

12:30

I do have to say, because it's something that

12:33

people even internally

12:35

would come to me with and make

12:38

comments about that I was

12:40

writing NXT

12:44

and that I was writing NXT

12:47

and I never said a word. You

12:50

know what else I never did, Conrad? I

12:53

never wrote one NXT show in the

12:55

history of my existence. I

12:58

am a fan of NXT. I

13:00

love NXT and Shawn Michaels recently

13:03

came out and talked about how,

13:06

no, it's been me. It's been me since day

13:08

one. I think Shawn has done a tremendous

13:10

job of grabbing NXT by

13:12

the horns and doing what he's

13:14

done. And I love Shawn Michaels to

13:16

death, but the fact that Shawn finally came out and

13:18

said, what are you guys talking about?

13:22

No, I never have. So to

13:25

those pundits out there, the

13:28

dirt sheet writers that reported

13:30

as fact, not, hey, rumors

13:32

are, no, they reported as

13:35

fact that I

13:38

had been involved in NXT and doing all

13:40

that stuff. The fact of the matter is

13:42

that they were 100%

13:45

just fabricated lie from where? I

13:52

don't know. And so now that

13:54

they've heard it from two different sources that are

13:56

actually there that actually know, they

13:59

should probably consider their sources or just

14:01

stop making things up. And

14:05

that's there. That's, I just,

14:07

I just found it so funny. And

14:11

in an interview, so many different things going on.

14:13

And Sean said, you know what? I'm going

14:15

to go ahead and comment on that just

14:17

because, uh, so many people like were dying

14:19

on that soapbox and wanted to, uh, have

14:22

my head and then it's. Those

14:26

who want my head, you're going to want my head. Hey man, here

14:28

have at it. Um, but,

14:30

uh, no, I love what

14:32

I do. I love, uh, where

14:34

I'm at, what I'm doing with whom

14:36

I do it with. So, uh, get

14:38

over it, man. It's not all about

14:41

what you think you perceive reality

14:44

is reality and perception can be reality too.

14:46

But when your reality is based on a

14:48

perception that you have no idea about. That's

14:53

just wrong. It does feel

14:55

like at times wrestling

14:58

fans, you know, we do

15:00

have an insatiable thirst

15:03

for more information about

15:06

how the sausage is made. And there was a lot of

15:08

jokes this past summer about, Oh, WWE

15:11

is like an HBO episode

15:13

of succession or whatever. And so

15:16

we get this sort of, I don't

15:19

know if paranoia or conspiracy theory

15:21

is the right way to do it, but

15:24

it does become a little bit humorous

15:28

to see where people sort of jumped to

15:31

some of these conclusions and

15:33

for instance, you know, while you and I don't

15:35

really ever talk about stuff and I just

15:37

know you're so, you were so consumed with main

15:39

roster stuff. You weren't doing anything with NXT, but

15:43

it's, it's cool that some of that is coming to

15:45

the surface now. And I can't help but think five

15:48

or 10 years or whenever from now, when

15:50

the story of these last couple

15:52

of years, starting at the pandemic to

15:54

now, this has to be one of

15:56

the most, I

15:59

Use the term exciting. Having it's gonna be

16:01

just unusual. I like it's unlike any

16:03

other stretch of time and wrestling history.

16:05

not just every to v but wrestling

16:07

history run. As.

16:09

A guy when you look at it

16:11

and business history and long am specs

16:13

s and. To. Be a

16:15

part of it. It is huge.

16:17

In any one day it is

16:19

like people don't even understand the

16:21

role and in I won't get

16:23

into because it isn't anyone's business

16:25

with even the role in which

16:27

I'm involved. So it's some. Oh

16:30

it's great time as it's

16:33

exciting as hell. And to

16:35

the. People.

16:38

In the self proclaimed

16:40

wrestling media that should

16:43

never. Actually, Been

16:45

inside of a wrestling company or? understand.

16:49

Or even in inside of a corporate. See

16:52

how a major corporation to

16:54

understand how things are done?

16:57

It's. Is it amazes me? The. The.

17:01

Things that they can get

17:03

away with reporting as fact

17:05

in reporting as is. So

17:07

ah, I'm. That's

17:09

bad, that's all that's That's where

17:12

a man and I'm happy as

17:14

can be to true. So ah,

17:16

I'm. Not.

17:18

That I wasn't tell you she's before. I

17:20

just what are we know is you before

17:22

because I got in the grand jury thing.

17:25

Maxwell be quite awesome robust perjury. You have

17:27

the be quite honest with us and all

17:29

of your responses today since you are under

17:31

oath and see Avatar Watch app. Well.

17:34

We're hoping that you're watching a little Bret

17:36

Hart. Ninety Four Ninety Five So far and

17:38

our archives. We've. Covered Breaths: Ninety

17:41

Ninety Three, His Ninety Ninety six,

17:43

And Ninety Ninety seven. So.

17:45

We're going to try today to fill in the

17:47

gaps and talk about Ninety Four And Ninety Five.

17:50

By the way, you can check out all

17:52

of this in the archives over something. Russell,

17:54

Mark com. A. let's start with ninety

17:57

four the build up to the royal rumble ninety

17:59

four it's kind of Brett Noen challenging

18:01

the tag team champs, the Quebecers. Uh,

18:04

they seemingly have buried the hatchet on Christmas

18:06

day after their falling out at survivor series.

18:09

And it's long been rumored that it was actually

18:11

your old pal Jerry Jaret, who I know you

18:13

saw not too long ago, who pushed for this

18:15

program. What's say you, do

18:18

you remember Jerry being a big advocate for

18:20

the hearts and the Quebecers? No.

18:26

Sure don't. You know, it

18:28

was more

18:32

than anything. When you look at the

18:35

entire Brett

18:37

Noen story, I

18:39

believe I've said it before. Uh, the

18:41

Brett Noen story came out of an idea

18:43

from Bruce heart that

18:46

Bruce had written out, Bruce had pitched it

18:48

to Vince and the

18:50

heart that was going to turn on Brett was

18:52

going to be Bruce. And

18:56

it was a incredible

18:58

story. It's a great story,

19:02

but I don't know that Vince was

19:05

in a place where he, uh, wanted,

19:08

I don't know if Vince didn't not want

19:10

to do it with Bruce, but he went

19:12

to Brett and Brett liked the

19:14

story too, but Brett really wanted

19:16

to do it with Owen. Yeah. And

19:18

felt that Owen was the guy to do the turn

19:21

and that, uh, his

19:23

little brother, you know, felt

19:25

that Owen had the chops to do it and that it

19:27

was Owen's time. So

19:29

that's how the, that whole story kind of came

19:33

to fruition. It's

19:36

a, it's a remarkable thing

19:38

to go back and watch Brett Noen together and

19:40

just think about what could have been if they

19:42

had more time together. And

19:44

on January 11th, there's an awesome tag

19:47

with Brett Noen versus the Steiner brothers

19:49

at a TV taping in Florence, South

19:51

Carolina, the match wound up being taped

19:53

for Coliseum video and was eventually released

19:55

on a wrestle fast 94. If

19:58

you can go dig that up, you should. As

20:00

a little kid, man, the Steiner's were my absolute

20:02

favorite. And at this point, I don't think there

20:05

was much debate. That's probably the best wrestler in

20:07

the world. And Owen might've

20:09

been the best wrestler in his family. He just didn't

20:11

always have the platform for it. So to see those

20:13

four guys mixing it up, I can

20:15

only imagine what a treat that was. From

20:18

people that really liked to see that tag

20:21

team action in the way that the Steiner's

20:23

could deliver it. The Steiner's were, uh,

20:26

an amazing tag team. And

20:28

the brother dynamic is something that's hard

20:30

to, hard to beat as well. So

20:32

you had two brother tag teams in

20:34

the hearts of the Steiner's in

20:37

and of itself is a great story. Um,

20:39

so yeah, I think it was two of the greatest

20:42

tag teams of all time. Mixing it up. Let's

20:46

talk a little bit about, uh, January

20:48

17th. We have a

20:51

pretty cool opportunity at Madison

20:53

Square Garden. It's a

20:56

special house show, Royal Rumble. Brett

20:58

gets to the final four. Um,

21:02

you know, you're right before trying to

21:04

sell the Royal Rumble pay-per-view and

21:07

now you're running that same sort of match in

21:11

your big market and your big

21:13

building, your quote unquote home. Do

21:15

you think that in hindsight was

21:18

the right call to run this match just

21:20

five days before the traditional pay-per-view or is

21:22

it a way to just

21:24

draw more attention to the pay-per-view and I'm overthinking it?

21:27

You're way overthinking it. It's attraction. It's

21:30

an attraction that people will want to

21:32

see live in their

21:34

hometown. So the match itself is

21:36

an attraction in and of itself.

21:38

The stakes weren't the same, but

21:40

at the same time here is

21:42

an incredible match that's different every

21:44

time you do it. So

21:48

to be able to see it right there

21:50

in your hometown, uh, Huntsville, Alabama, not say

21:52

that anyone would ever do one there be

21:54

the Huntsville Rumble Royal. I

21:57

like that the Huntsville Rumble Royal. Okay. Well,

21:59

if I. run that, nevermind. Uh,

22:02

the last, this is the last time there would

22:04

be a WWE on a pay-per-view in the U

22:06

S on a Saturday until WrestleMania has began airing

22:08

over two nights in 2020. I

22:11

know that once upon a time, I mean, I

22:14

remember as a kid, the paper views would move

22:16

around. I remember there being paper views on Monday.

22:18

And of course there was the Tuesday in Texas and

22:20

blah, blah, blah. But talk

22:22

to me about that. Well, how did Vince

22:24

land on Sunday or is that a pay-per-view

22:26

company call where they felt like the big

22:28

boxing matches and stuff could interfere on Saturday

22:31

or college football or why

22:33

did Sunday become the pay-per-view day

22:35

for so long? I

22:37

think Sunday was a pay-per-view day

22:39

because Sunday normally was family day. And

22:42

being able to look at times that

22:44

families all get together and, you know,

22:47

watch football games and had

22:50

family dinner, then you could sit down and

22:52

watch a huge

22:54

pay-per-view extravaganza. So

22:57

Sunday's where we landed. Uh, I

22:59

think that Saturday nights, a great night for

23:02

pay-per-view as well. But that's

23:04

where we landed was Sunday night. And

23:07

even going back, being a part of,

23:09

you know, the Wednesday nights, the Thanksgiving

23:11

Eve tradition, you know, Thursday

23:14

nights, Tuesday night in Texas,

23:16

Monday night, just different nights,

23:19

um, because that was when the event

23:21

was booked. Well, let's put it on

23:23

pay-per-view versus bookie

23:25

the pay-per-view. And then, so

23:28

it was, um, just

23:31

as you develop and you grow and you learn

23:33

things and you try to get people

23:35

into a habit. And that was the once a

23:37

month Sunday night habit. Of

23:40

course, this is where Owen kicked Bragg's leg

23:42

out from under his leg after

23:45

Brett was injured. Bragg's leg out from underneath

23:47

his leg. You remember that? I

23:50

do remember that very well. Uh,

23:53

it's one of the more famous Owen interviews of all

23:55

time. And I

23:57

mean, I know that. Paypal

24:00

Poke fun at it! But. It.

24:03

Became a memorable deal. And I mean I

24:05

have friends of mine who were at their

24:07

peak of the wrestling fan. Them. And.

24:09

They remember it as being one of their favorite moments.

24:12

Of course the idea here is breaths being

24:14

helped to the back selling the knee injury

24:16

Owens doing this interview from the backstage area

24:18

but there's on the big screen. In.

24:21

The mud in the heat of the moment. Like that

24:23

You know those little words. Lives happen. We're.

24:25

Gonna do several here on on this particular

24:27

pro program. The. Early by

24:30

being upset than oh and flub the line

24:32

little. Now. Lives in

24:34

the moments. and I think that when

24:36

you gross yourself in the passion. Of

24:39

what. Just. Happened. And

24:42

the fact little brother now spending on big

24:44

brother I don't think I don't like them.

24:46

Many people noticed it. right? Until

24:48

later. Brett

24:51

then goes on to of course when

24:54

the Royal Rumble match would say after

24:56

teasing the Brett wouldn't even be able

24:58

to compete in the match. And.

25:00

The popular and brett does

25:02

appear is gigantic. That.

25:05

Pat Patterson special ruff their the spirit

25:07

of Seventy Six or whatever. Said.

25:09

God The American Common. Sense.

25:13

Of marital? I mean, how many people have

25:15

won the rumble after they've had their leg

25:17

kick out of her leg? Rats.

25:19

Only one I know of us want to one.

25:22

I. Have one time where a guy got his

25:24

fingers stuck out of the some. Talks

25:27

to me cost me a little bit about. The.

25:29

Financier. You. Know, I

25:31

know that breast. The professional. And.

25:34

That same lugers on talented. But clearly as far

25:36

as being a ring gen our think anybody would

25:38

compare the two. But. To pull

25:40

off a Finnish where it looks like the

25:42

gods are testing at the almost exact same

25:44

time. Is. This something

25:47

they practice a bunch or is it simply breads

25:49

are saying. Follow me. Bret.

25:51

Hart Man. Bret. hart

25:54

and i would defy anybody really

25:56

the to show we were they

25:58

didn't touch same time Cause

26:01

Brett controlled it all and Brett

26:03

owned it and killed it. But

26:06

you had to take a whole bunch of different

26:09

precautions, right? Oh yeah, man. You want

26:11

different, you want different versions. You want

26:14

different angles that can make

26:16

an argument for any and everybody. The

26:18

beauty of it was, is that it

26:20

was done to perfection so well that

26:22

it's like, I

26:25

got no argument. You know what I mean? So

26:29

the execution of that was the

26:32

excellence of execution and Brett Hart.

26:36

Let's talk a little bit about Lex Luger.

26:38

By the way, I want to give a

26:40

plug. You guys cranked out a few weeks

26:42

ago on A&E, a WWE legends special on

26:45

Lex Luger. I think it's one

26:47

of the best pieces that I've seen on wrestling in a

26:49

long, long time. I thought you guys hit a home run

26:51

with it. Lex Luger, the human

26:53

being today is an unbelievable person.

26:55

I mean, such a positive person, such

26:57

an example of what's possible and just

26:59

the human spirit and blah, blah, blah.

27:02

But the way he would own the

27:04

missteps in his life and just take

27:06

full responsibility, it's

27:09

a great piece of business. If you're on the

27:11

fence about Lex Luger, but you love nostalgia or

27:13

you love Lex Luger, whatever the circumstance, go

27:15

out of your way to see that. And you're all over it.

27:18

Did you have a chance to see that A&E piece? I

27:21

did. What did you think? I

27:23

did. I thought it was very well done. And

27:25

to the point of Lex

27:27

owning everything, I thought that it

27:31

was a very good piece because it could have

27:33

been something that left people with

27:35

a taste in their mouth that Lex

27:38

wasn't a very good guy. And

27:41

it changed a lot of people's opinions.

27:44

I do also think that Lex, you

27:46

know, is Lex grew older and went

27:48

down the avenues

27:51

that Lex went, that Lex grew

27:53

and grew into a different person

27:55

as well. So I

27:57

think Lex changed on

27:59

top. of it and to

28:02

me it's a, it's a very good story

28:04

and it's something that is, to

28:08

me, I think it has happy ending. I think it

28:10

has a happy ending in this. Um,

28:13

Lex found himself and Lex is in

28:15

a good place and I'm really, really

28:17

happy for him. Go

28:20

out of your way and check it

28:22

out. It's a A&E biography, WWE legends,

28:24

Lex Luger, whatever it is. It's fantastic.

28:27

Go find it. Uh, there's

28:29

a coin toss to determine now who's

28:31

going to get the first title shot against

28:33

Yoko Zun at WrestleMania because damn it, Lex

28:36

Luger just lost his opportunity at summer

28:38

slam. He deserves another crack at it.

28:41

He kind of won the rumble at the exact

28:43

same time as Brett. So they're both going to

28:45

get title shots and like

28:47

says, or Lex wins. And,

28:49

and, and to make it fair, Brett's

28:52

also going to have a match earlier in the

28:54

night versus his match, uh, with

28:56

his brother Owen. So let's just talk about that for

28:58

a minute. Had Lex won

29:01

the match that would have went on last would have

29:03

been Brett versus Lex for the world title. Of

29:06

course we know Yoko is going to win. So

29:08

it winds up being Brett versus Yoko. But

29:11

either way, nobody was talking about the match that

29:13

happened last. Everybody's going to be talking about the

29:15

match that happened first. And we're going to as

29:18

well. But before we get there, I

29:20

want to mention that on the WWF all

29:22

American wrestling TV show where

29:24

Vince is hosting at the time, he does

29:27

separate sit down interviews with both Brett and

29:29

Owen. Brett is

29:32

now turned around to the idea that he will fight

29:34

his brother. Of course, previously

29:36

brothers never fight. Well,

29:39

God, brothers never fight. What

29:43

happened? But the sit downs

29:45

with, with Vince, this is

29:47

something that we didn't see him do a lot. We

29:49

saw him do it a couple of times with Hogan.

29:52

But to get that same treatment with Brett and

29:54

Owen, it does make it feel bigger. Doesn't

29:56

it? It

29:59

was a bigger story. And I think that

30:01

it was a personal story that needed to

30:03

be told outside of the confines of a

30:05

wrestling ring and you

30:07

have a family dynamic that

30:11

no matter who you are, if you have a sibling,

30:13

you understand it, you get it. And

30:17

to, to take, take it out of the

30:19

ring for a minute where people go, Oh,

30:21

that, you know, the ring is

30:23

one thing and what happens, but then what

30:26

happens behind the scenes, what,

30:30

what happens at Christmas? Does

30:32

Brett get served first at

30:34

Christmas dinner when they're

30:37

cutting the turkey on Thanksgiving day,

30:39

does Brett get a little bit

30:41

more mashed potatoes and dressing? Well,

30:44

it should. Because

30:46

he's their favorite. That's why. Because

30:49

Brett's the favorite and

30:52

Owen being the youngest

30:54

came last and has

30:56

always had to have hand me downs.

30:59

He's always had to wear

31:01

Brett's old shoes. Brett's old

31:03

pants. Never got anything new.

31:06

Oh, we never got to go to the store to pick

31:08

out his clothes. No, he

31:11

got what Brett got because

31:13

Brett was more in the middle. Brett got

31:15

to get new clothes. He

31:18

got everything handed to him. So

31:20

when you explain those things to

31:22

anyone who has a similar situation

31:24

in their life, I think

31:29

that your little sister can

31:32

identify Conrad. Oh, I think

31:34

she can. I think she could watch this and

31:36

say, yeah, that's right. Connie

31:39

always did get the bigger piece of Turkey.

31:41

Well, I deserved it. Connie

31:43

always got the first

31:45

slice of pumpkin pie. I don't need pumpkin pie.

31:47

She could have mine. Only

31:51

because you didn't want it. Correct. But

31:53

mom made you special stuff. She did.

31:56

I know. I can relate

31:58

to that. Okay,

32:00

I can relate to it. Okay. Yeah so

32:04

There's always people that can relate to it and

32:08

that was the beauty of telling this story

32:10

You got to tell it in a little

32:12

different way other than just in the ring

32:14

I'm on your bud jealousy and a real

32:17

feeling of hatred It's just your older brothers

32:19

and they all suck because they get everything

32:25

The thing that I had a little input on this

32:29

There's a WWF tour in Europe and Israel in

32:31

February of 94 Brett's

32:34

usually working against Yoko each night,

32:36

which makes sense because Brett's probably

32:38

your most popular international star Maybe

32:40

domestically too, but supposedly his fanfare

32:42

over there was the next level right dude

32:46

Yeah, Brett was I think Brett was

32:48

an international megastar long before he was

32:50

and in the continental United

32:53

States of America America

32:57

In Canada and this

32:59

is a this is the era where Vince realizes Hey,

33:01

man, if our business might be down a

33:04

little bit here domestically, it's not internationally. So

33:06

these tours become very important There's

33:08

eight separate European tours in 94 where Germany

33:11

is one of the stops so

33:13

think about that Germany got eight separate

33:15

shows in 94 Brett's on nearly

33:18

every tour and He

33:20

has a great match with your brother Tom on February

33:23

21st on Monday Night Raw and Poughkeepsie And

33:25

I think this was one of their only times ever working

33:27

together Do you know if Tom

33:30

enjoyed working with Brett? I

33:32

think he did. Yeah, I think they did the

33:34

two older brother pieces of garbage Oh, and I

33:36

secretly were hoping that they would just beat the

33:38

hell out of each other So

33:42

you're the Owen of the family No

33:45

Owen was the Bruce of the family. Oh I

33:48

see I said okay In

33:53

the run-up to WrestleMania Brett no one first go

33:55

against each other in several tag matches on the

33:57

road I'm sure it's to the point where

33:59

they could do this match with their eyes closed

34:01

in the dungeon, but it probably is important

34:03

for them to have some reps before a

34:06

big event like WrestleMania. Uh,

34:08

crush is going to pin Brett Hart in the

34:10

March to WrestleMania 10 special. It's shown just a

34:12

week before the pay-per-view and that happens

34:14

in large part, thanks to Owen's interference. But

34:18

it's pretty good storytelling, you know, to, uh,

34:20

keep people guessing. And we all know the

34:22

story of WrestleMania 10. You've laid it out,

34:24

but did you think Brett

34:28

had extra pressure on himself to help for

34:30

lack of a better word, quote unquote, make

34:32

Owen here? You know, I, I,

34:35

no, I don't think so. I, I

34:37

truly believe that in

34:40

Brett's head, Owen

34:42

was already made in the Brett. Was

34:45

giving him that avenue to

34:47

display it. I think that in

34:51

many ways it was a relief

34:53

for Brett knowing that he was

34:55

going to work with Owen because

34:57

it made Brett happy that he got

34:59

to work with his brother every night

35:02

and enjoyed it and felt

35:04

that Owen really deserved the recognition that

35:06

Owen was about to have heaped on

35:08

him. And so I

35:10

think there was, I don't think there

35:12

was ever a doubt in Brett's mind that

35:17

Owen was not going to be the perfect opponent,

35:19

perfect foil for him for a hell of a

35:21

run. Well, I'm

35:23

not arguing that at all. I just know that

35:25

there's a different thing between, you know,

35:27

being the boys favorite and, and being a guy

35:29

who's having great matches on house shows and being

35:32

a guy who has a good match on Monday

35:34

night raw, and then you're opening

35:36

WrestleMania with the guy who

35:38

was in the main event, the prior year, and it's going to

35:40

win it all that night. It's a, it's

35:43

a big opportunity for Owen and I could see how that

35:45

would be huge. Not only a

35:47

big deal for Owen, but a big deal for Brett,

35:49

just to be able to have that opportunity for his

35:51

brother. Yes. And

35:53

it was huge, but I don't know. Um,

35:56

I don't

35:59

know how to put this. I think that both

36:01

guys were nervous as any great performer is

36:03

every time you steps into the ring, I

36:06

think that there was an expectation and

36:08

that it was. More

36:10

of a feeling of let's just go do

36:12

this. It's time.

36:15

You know what I mean? Let's

36:17

go do this, man. We're here

36:19

and it wasn't a

36:24

God, I hope, I hope this works out. It was now, man,

36:26

let's go show them what we can do and

36:28

do it. Ultimately,

36:31

we know the match itself. I mean, if you're looking

36:33

for a match to watch from Red Hearts, 94, this

36:35

is probably as good as it's going

36:37

to get him and Owen, just fantastic storytelling.

36:39

And then later in the night, in

36:42

the main event on the 10th anniversary,

36:44

the 10th WrestleMania in Madison Square Garden,

36:47

Red Heart wins the world title again. And

36:49

his, uh, you know,

36:51

his comrades lift him up on their shoulders and

36:54

what a nice visual and it

36:56

goes down as one of the greatest one night

36:58

performances in WWF history at that point, I'm sure.

37:01

And oh, by the way, they had a pretty

37:03

famous ladder match along the way. WrestleMania 10, man,

37:06

criminally underrated. Some really, really good matches

37:08

on that show. Some great

37:10

matches, great storytelling all the way through.

37:13

And I got out and cussed out by

37:15

Burt Reynolds that night. So that's excellent. Brett

37:18

and Owen are generally headlining all the house shows

37:20

through the spring and summer of 94. So

37:24

if I had to guess, this is probably the biggest

37:27

run of paydays that Owens had either

37:29

on this WrestleMania revenge tour. There's

37:31

a mixed bag of houses at the time, because again, it

37:33

is 94 businesses, a little

37:35

down, but there's times where like

37:38

on may 20th, you draw 15,000

37:40

folks to MSG and that's pretty good, especially then,

37:42

uh, but only 5,000

37:45

folks to the spectrum a month later in

37:47

Philadelphia. Do you think this

37:49

was just cyclical? Cause we hear a lot

37:51

of times that people say, Oh, the business

37:53

is cyclical. Or were they just

37:55

not that end of Brett? No. And do you think? I

37:59

think it was. The more accountable

38:01

residual. Ah, I'm. And.

38:05

This. Is wasn't you know that red hot

38:07

at that point and I just think that it

38:10

was gonna residual of what was before. At.

38:14

The Derrida Vf promote their own tour of

38:16

Japan for the first time and may have

38:18

Ninety Four. That's. Where we would see

38:21

Brett defeat Randy Savage in his final Wb

38:23

of title match on one of those shows.

38:25

But. The. Tour is deemed largely

38:27

a flop. their small crowds each night.

38:30

Do. You think these were sold Shows that

38:32

the dairy just i have the right

38:34

partner, right marketing approach. Why? Wasn't

38:36

this pan experiment more successful? I.

38:40

Don't think that if there was a. I

38:42

don't things get partner and I think we had a good

38:44

partner that was able to go in. And.

38:49

Sponsor the show by the shows

38:51

it was looked at from. Yeah,

38:54

Oh yeah, he see. What?

38:58

New Japan and Odds fans get

39:00

the response they they want our

39:02

product by the it was. Trying

39:06

to promote it from. The.

39:08

United States versus having a promoter

39:10

in Japan promote it. Luckily, I.

39:13

Think that would made a big difference. I think

39:15

that it was just not the strongest sponsors strongest

39:17

promoter the we had locally. Our.

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41:26

Bret's corner for his match with Diesel, and

41:29

he's supposedly here to counteract Sean,

41:31

who's in Diesel's corner. How

41:34

was Neidhart decided to bring back in the

41:36

fold? Is this one of those infamous Stu

41:39

phone calls? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

41:42

It is, Bret had a

41:44

big, Bret's

41:46

got maybe

41:49

that fucking rhino that

41:52

Neidhart, you know, Ellie,

41:54

Ellie's got him, she's

41:56

got him in a

41:58

good place. He said,

42:01

yeah, he beat

42:03

me, he beat him in,

42:05

yeah, he got a spat

42:07

for him. He's

42:09

doing good now. Yeah.

42:12

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

42:16

So the big nasty Rhino,

42:18

he makes sure

42:20

that Brent keeps the title. And

42:23

then he also calls his Owen to win the King

42:25

of the Ring tournament later in the night. So that

42:28

keeps the feud going into summer slam. So

42:30

it's kind of cool. You go back and you take a look. Brett won

42:32

King of the Ring in 93. His brother Owen wins

42:34

it in 94. He just happens

42:36

to be feuding with Brett. And

42:39

then on July 11th, 123 kid,

42:41

Sean Waltman has what to this

42:43

day he says is his favorite match he ever

42:45

had with Brett. So if you're looking

42:47

for another great match, July 11th, through all 1994, 123 kid and

42:49

Brett. And

42:53

it's been said over the years that Sean Waltman was kind

42:55

of the measuring stick. And there was a new guy who

42:58

would come into the company. Vince

43:00

would say, Hey, let's go see what he's got. And

43:03

Sean's report, when he came back through the curtain,

43:05

carried a lot of weight. Hey man, this guy's

43:07

got it. This guy's ready. Hey, he's closer. This

43:09

guy sucks. That

43:12

is the rumor and innuendo that we've heard as

43:14

fans, but it feels like Brett was

43:16

really the gold standard for great matches. Was he

43:18

not? Yeah, Brett was me.

43:20

Brett went out and had a match with Tom

43:22

McGee and made everybody. Absolutely.

43:26

You

43:28

know, Brett Hart could literally have a match

43:30

with a broomstick and make the broomstick look

43:32

like a million bucks. Yeah.

43:36

Well, they didn't, he didn't have to do it with a

43:38

broomstick. He did it with Sean Waltman. Go watch it. July

43:40

11th, 1994. Fantastic

43:43

match. We have the first ever show

43:45

in the Philippines, Czechoslovakia, China and Singapore.

43:48

The company has never been to these

43:50

countries before, but they're going in July

43:52

of 94 and it's

43:55

all headlined with Brett versus Owen. So,

43:57

and listen, I realized that there's. a

44:00

contingent of folks out there who would, I

44:02

would call Brett haters and I've unfairly been

44:04

categorized as one of those guys, but

44:06

I was a whole Kogan guy, but at

44:09

the same time, all Kogan never took

44:11

the WWF to Philippines or Czechoslovakia or

44:13

China or Singapore. And Brett

44:15

is a huge draw over there and

44:17

super popular. So you guys are trying

44:20

some more non domestic spots. What

44:22

did you think of, uh, some of

44:25

these, these new found lands that WWE

44:27

is enjoying success? Yeah, it's

44:29

interesting in that, um, you

44:33

think about, as

44:36

we just talked about earlier and family

44:40

that in

44:42

other nationalities and in

44:44

other parts of the world, family

44:47

doesn't fight and it's frowned

44:50

upon considerably. So I

44:53

think that that, um, you

44:58

have to weigh that into when you go, when you go in there

45:00

with a angle like this,

45:02

some got it, some didn't. And I

45:04

don't think we did a lot of

45:06

explanation necessarily either to push

45:08

that family dynamic versus two great

45:11

athletes dynamic. We,

45:14

uh, we get some more house show

45:17

matches in July and August where we

45:19

see marathon matches. These are

45:21

60 minute time limit matches. We know eventually

45:23

they're going to be called Ironman matches. They

45:26

get mixed attendance reviews, 4,000 at

45:29

the metal lands on July 8th, 3,100

45:32

at the Nassau Coliseum. The

45:34

next day, 7,000 in LA on the

45:36

29th back down to just 1800 at the spectrum on August 6th. Is

45:43

this starting to panic a little bit here where

45:45

it feels like, man, we're

45:48

not getting any real sustained momentum or

45:50

is that even something you talked about?

45:53

Yeah, no, it was. And there's

45:55

a feeling sometimes about where people yearning

45:58

for the larger than LA. life Hulk

46:01

Hogan type champion and character,

46:04

which Brett was not. So

46:06

it was a

46:09

reeducation process. And there were many

46:11

debates as to do we continue

46:13

on with the reeducationing of the

46:15

audience or, you know,

46:17

do we make a change and find that

46:20

larger than life superhero to place

46:22

in that spot and find

46:25

that next guy and we

46:27

decided let's kind of hold firm with

46:29

Brett right now. Let's, let's

46:32

see what we've got. Let let's keep going and try

46:34

to hopefully reeducate

46:36

our audience. And it wasn't just

46:39

in the States. It was international.

46:41

It was everywhere. So

46:44

as you're trying to find maybe the right opponent

46:46

for Brett, he defeats Bob

46:49

Backlund in a match that airs on

46:51

superstars on July 30th, and

46:53

this is the now famous match where Backlund

46:55

snaps after the match and turns heel. And

46:58

since Lee becomes Mr. Backlund, did

47:01

Vince know that this was the

47:03

direction he wanted to go, that Backlund might

47:05

be a transitional champ might get some sniffs at

47:07

the main event. Or was it, Hey,

47:10

this is a former champion who we want to make sure he

47:12

has a good match and well, we know

47:14

Brett can do it. And that's how it happened. Well,

47:24

I think, you know, this

47:26

was something that, that Pat and

47:28

I really wanted to try because

47:31

you never

47:34

got your Bob Backlund heel run

47:36

right in the seventies. Bobby

47:42

was, I don't

47:44

know that Bob was ever this guy

47:46

that people say, Oh, he's a dynamic worker. He's

47:48

this, he's that. But

47:51

the real human being Bob Backlund who

47:55

believes in himself and, and

47:59

there's not a. bad bone in Bob

48:01

Backlund's body. You

48:06

could view that kind of heel-ish. Right.

48:09

And so we thought, what

48:11

if we just had

48:13

Bobby go over the edge a little bit and, uh,

48:18

what better foil for

48:20

Backlund than Bret

48:22

Hart because, uh, you

48:26

know, Bret was all that shit. Right.

48:30

So it was an experiment. We weren't sure if it

48:32

was going to work. We really weren't. That's

48:35

why we looked at, we were concentrated

48:37

in the Northeast a little bit at that

48:39

time, more so than usual. And,

48:41

um, I think

48:44

we were in, where the hell were we? Ocean

48:46

City, Maryland for that. Um,

48:49

and it was, it was

48:51

Bizarro land, but the audience,

48:54

man, they, they took to it and they

48:56

were so pissed and we looked

48:58

at each other and went, Hmm, we

49:00

may have something here. It was Vince. What

49:02

Vince wasn't around for a lot

49:04

of this, you know, he was, he

49:07

was doing other things. And, um,

49:10

it was, we weren't experimenting and

49:12

we were getting out. There was some different stuff,

49:15

but I thought it worked. I

49:17

thought that the, especially that

49:19

traditional Northeastern, uh, uh, audience

49:22

that was so used to the red, white and

49:24

blue Bob Backlund that

49:26

they're like, Hey, now wait a minute, man.

49:28

That was my guy. So

49:32

what did Brett think of this idea? It

49:34

feels like part of him would have really

49:36

respected the legacy of what he

49:38

did. But at the other time he had

49:40

to be like, what the fuck, man?

49:44

It was more of the what the fuck, man. It was

49:46

more like, I got to fucking

49:48

work with him every night now. Um, well,

49:51

cause you had a famous thing on here years ago

49:53

when you're trying to make the

49:56

transition from Hulk Hogan to

49:58

Bret Hart and he. would say that a lot

50:00

of times the thing around the office that was said is, what

50:03

would we do for Hogan? I'm

50:06

not saying this to be weird. I

50:08

don't think that we would have ever seen back

50:10

when Hogan, Oh God. If I

50:12

had the opportunity back on Hogan, then I would have

50:14

done it in a heartbeat. That

50:16

would have been even bigger for

50:19

Bobby. Bobby would

50:21

have had so much fucking material to work

50:24

with there. Oh my God.

50:26

Yeah. Because Hogan

50:28

was so opposite of back

50:31

when, whereas Brett is kind

50:33

of all the things that Bobby

50:36

kind of stands up for, except for

50:38

the long greasy hair. And, you

50:40

know, we came up with things, but

50:44

it was just the, um, I

50:48

thought they had great matches, they

50:50

had tremendous matches that I loved watching,

50:53

but. I

50:56

wasn't in the ring working with him. So,

51:00

uh, it was what it was. It's

51:05

amazing to me that this is something

51:08

we're even really discussing that Bob Backlund

51:11

had a run man, but he did.

51:14

And, uh, I'm sure there was nobody who was

51:16

more thrilled about that than, than

51:18

Brett, uh, summer slam,

51:20

94 August 29th from United center

51:22

in Chicago. Uh, Brett was

51:24

going to defeat Owen in the classic cage match.

51:27

All the family members get involved after and Davey

51:29

boy is back in the WWF now to, to

51:31

keep the feud going. But thank

51:33

God taker versus faker went on in the

51:35

main event. What in the world tell us

51:37

about this classic cage match and how

51:40

it was somehow not the main event. Main

51:45

event was the return of the undertaker. And for

51:47

the first time ever, it was, Oh my

51:50

God. You imagine having the undertaker

51:52

versus the undertaker.

51:56

So once in a lifetime opportunity here, pal. So

52:00

that was the attraction and Owen

52:04

and Brett went about 20 minutes heavy

52:07

in their match. And, uh, it wasn't

52:09

like you had a, an experienced undertaker

52:11

against an experienced undertaker. You

52:14

had the undertaker against,

52:16

uh, someone

52:19

who wasn't that experienced at being the undertaker.

52:22

So they needed that time that

52:25

having to cut their time in half was, was

52:27

not a pleasant thing. I

52:29

don't know if that would have helped anymore

52:31

or not, but at the same time, it

52:34

wasn't an ideal situation. The

52:37

post summer slam European tour

52:39

in Germany, uh, is

52:41

going to happen in September. So we

52:43

got Brett and Randy Savage defeating Owen

52:45

and night heart every night. And

52:48

these would be some of Savage's final matches

52:50

in the company before leaving in November. What

52:52

was his and Brett's relationship like? I

52:55

think it was good. I think Randy liked Brett and

52:57

vice versa. You know, they were

52:59

just two, uh, two old

53:02

second generation guys that

53:05

going down the road and had the same respect and

53:07

appreciation of the business. Um,

53:11

I want to mention that in the UK, we

53:13

got Brett and Davey boy teaming up because obviously

53:15

Davey's over like Rover there and they're going to

53:18

beat Owen and nine heart on each show. They're

53:20

ever going to do that back in the U

53:23

S and can't, and, and Canada before eventually it

53:25

becomes Brett versus nine heart

53:27

on the heart attack tour. And they're

53:29

going to co-headline with undertaker and Yoko

53:31

Zuna and casket matches. That

53:34

feels like this era in

53:36

a nutshell, Brett and undertaker

53:38

on top somewhere. Right.

53:40

94 95. Yeah. And the heart attack tour was

53:42

so cool, man, because of the logo, you had

53:44

the heart attack. So you had a heart,

53:47

but then you also had undertaker in it. So it was

53:49

like undertaking, giving you a heart attack. It was, it was

53:51

cool. It was pretty cool. The first

53:53

ever episode of action zone aired on October

53:55

23rd, 1994. This

53:58

replaced all American wrestling. format

54:00

had begun to fade off after 11 years on

54:02

the air. And Brett and

54:04

Owen is heavily pushed as the main event.

54:06

And I guess it's important for you to

54:08

have a big main event like this to

54:10

get this new show off the ground. And

54:13

it does improve the ratings. You get

54:15

a 2.0 on a Sunday afternoon slot

54:17

on the USA network. Whereas

54:20

the week before it was just a 1.7. It's been

54:23

said a lot of times that when

54:25

WCW didn't know what to do, well, let's just

54:28

try it. Ric Flair versus Sting out there. Was

54:30

it kind of like that for Brett in the main event

54:32

with the right opponent in this era? Do you think? I

54:35

just think it was luck of the draw at this point. I

54:38

got more than anything. So

54:41

Brett's going to headline yet another European

54:43

tour in November, this time versus King

54:45

Kong Bundy. And at this point, if

54:47

he wasn't already scratching his head about

54:50

backland, he's got to be

54:52

like, what the fuck, man? King Kong Bundy? Or

54:54

did he like it because it was a different

54:56

style? Bundy. Bundy,

54:59

you're stealing money every time you go and catch a

55:01

check. You're the shift

55:03

Bundy. Um, yeah,

55:10

I don't think Brett was happy about Bundy. Can't

55:13

imagine that he would have been thrilled with

55:16

that. Survivor Series in November

55:18

23rd is back in San Antonio. This time

55:20

on Thanksgiving Eve. Brett's going to lose the

55:22

title to backland. Of course, it's

55:24

a submission match and we've

55:27

got Owens Academy award-winning performance

55:29

here convincing us

55:31

he all had compassion for Brett. It

55:33

convinces his mother Helen to throw in the

55:35

towel. And there

55:37

you go. Brett is no

55:39

longer the champ. Do you think Brett

55:42

knew the plan of diesel at that point? Or how

55:44

was it discussed with him? Because we know that backlands

55:47

only going to have the title for a cup

55:49

of coffee. You know, we were, I

55:54

don't know if we knew the plan of diesel.

55:56

Yes, we did. I mean, I was not saying

55:58

that was, Hey. We

56:00

were thinking about it and

56:04

got there, but we needed to do this first.

56:07

I don't know what Brett knew at that point, but

56:10

it was, okay, let's try this

56:12

thing and, and go from there. So

56:17

Brett's going to take some extended time off between

56:19

now and the end of the year, really for

56:21

the first time in 10 years of working there,

56:23

but it's not just because he

56:25

wants to go heal up. He's also got an

56:27

opportunity to be in lonesome dove where

56:29

he's going to play Luther root. What'd

56:32

you think of Brett in lonesome dove? I'm sure that was your

56:34

kind of show. Yeah. It wasn't a whole

56:36

lot of acting for Brett. You know, I

56:38

think that it was kind of true to who he was.

56:40

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56:42

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56:47

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58:14

um, January 9th

58:16

show in Houston, Texas, we've

58:19

got Brett returning this time

58:21

to back up William Shatner on the

58:24

Kings court with Jerry Lawler. How

58:27

many times do you think William Shatner had to practice that

58:29

monkey flip Bruce? I know. One

58:32

time. That was it. Well, there you go. He

58:35

was great. You know the story. I

58:37

told you a story about Bill Shatner going to the airport. I

58:40

don't remember that. So we had, we were

58:42

shooting two shows that night. And

58:45

so we really, uh, wanted Bill for

58:47

the second show and I got

58:49

kind of friendly with him and everything.

58:51

Or he's doing everything, man. You

58:54

talk about, uh, a pro from

58:57

the word go. He was as

58:59

William Shatner, he was fabulous

59:01

to work with. Just excellent. And

59:06

I threw Adam and said,

59:08

Hey, do you think after we do this, we could do

59:10

one more with you for next week's

59:12

show. It would be taped after this. And

59:16

he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he didn't know

59:18

the time. And then he looked at the time. He

59:20

says, Oh, Hey, Bruce, I've got a flight. I,

59:22

and if I miss this flight, I'm

59:24

supposed to be on set in the morning at eight o'clock in

59:27

the morning. I can't miss

59:29

this flight. I

59:31

look at his ticket. I see that it's

59:34

a United airlines ticket or continent may have

59:36

been continental at the time, whichever. And

59:39

I was like, I got you. He goes,

59:41

I've heard that before. He goes, I, I said, Bill,

59:45

I guarantee you

59:48

will make your flight. He

59:50

says, yeah, Bruce, I've heard that shit before. I just, I don't know. As

59:53

soon as we finish with raw, we will do your

59:55

segment and I will put you in a police car. And

59:58

you will be able to do that. He will be

1:00:01

dead headed to the airport. He

1:00:03

says, yeah, but then I got to deal with the airport. I

1:00:07

got you. So

1:00:09

he does it. He says, okay, okay. But he's

1:00:11

still like him and Holly. He's calling this manager

1:00:13

and all these people. And,

1:00:16

uh, we

1:00:18

do the segment. Take

1:00:21

him right. I mean, I, I grabbed him right

1:00:23

from backstage. I walk him right to the police

1:00:25

car, put him in the front seat of the

1:00:27

police car and the cop takes off. Cyber

1:00:30

and splinter and lights going and all this shit.

1:00:34

So I call my buddy continental. I

1:00:36

said, Hey, there's a deal. Bill

1:00:39

Shatner is on this flight, Houston, LA. He,

1:00:42

uh, just left the arena. He

1:00:45

should get there by whatever nine 30 flights

1:00:47

at nine 45. I

1:00:51

just need to make sure that if anything happens that

1:00:54

he's on that flight. And

1:00:56

he goes, Oh yeah, no problem. So

1:00:59

everybody gets on the flight and I'll be

1:01:01

damned if that flight just didn't have a,

1:01:03

uh, you know, well, we

1:01:05

need some people to come in here and, uh,

1:01:07

take a look at the thing in the furnace

1:01:09

name, it's on top of the snack pit and,

1:01:12

uh, what have you. And he

1:01:14

calls me at the, and we

1:01:17

were at the summit in Houston and

1:01:20

calls me a little backstage hotline

1:01:22

phone that we had and it's him and

1:01:25

he says, Hey, Bruce, uh, hang on. I'd

1:01:27

like for you to talk to Heather, uh,

1:01:30

in Houston and all the stuff. I go,

1:01:32

Hey Heather, how you doing? And she says,

1:01:34

uh, Mr. Shatner is in

1:01:36

four B Sipina scotch. Would

1:01:38

you like to speak with him? And

1:01:41

I said, as a matter of fact, I would. And

1:01:44

she takes the big, long, you

1:01:46

know, the accordion phone all

1:01:48

the way back. It's

1:01:50

a Shatner in

1:01:52

four B and he

1:01:55

gets all the voices. Hello. I said,

1:01:57

I told you so motherfucker. I

1:01:59

don't think I said mother. But I did I told

1:02:01

you so you're on the plane You'll

1:02:04

take off in a couple of minutes cuz I

1:02:06

he said because they got a mechanical. I said

1:02:08

bill you're the mechanical You're good

1:02:10

to go. You'll be taking off a few

1:02:12

minutes. Have a great night.

1:02:14

Have a great Whatever tomorrow

1:02:17

and look forward to working with you soon

1:02:20

Awesome awesome guy, but yeah, he was and

1:02:23

they really didn't need it either. He would have

1:02:25

made it on time He was really on time

1:02:27

So I love now your baby face on it

1:02:29

because you don't want people to think you caused

1:02:31

them to be late missed their connections Cuz the

1:02:34

1995 or whatever it was and nobody missed any

1:02:36

connections. It was a flight to LA The

1:02:39

last flight of the night and they did

1:02:41

leave on time and they and they were able

1:02:43

to speed because I got I was able To

1:02:45

get the plane. Yeah, that's it I was able

1:02:47

to get the plane to speed up to get

1:02:49

to LA so they would have an early arrival

1:02:51

because Shatner was on board Yeah there you're welcome.

1:02:54

Are you channeling your best Paul Heyman right now? A

1:02:58

bum with a piano That's

1:03:01

a real story so Later

1:03:04

in the same show Jeff Jarrett's gonna

1:03:06

defeat Or Brad Hart's gonna

1:03:08

defeat Jeff Jarrett was the same taping but it

1:03:10

is the following week Shatner's in

1:03:13

his corner trying to counteract the roadie.

1:03:15

Of course, he's there to promote his new show on

1:03:17

the USA Network Tech or Brett

1:03:20

no and continue their house show for you through the first few

1:03:22

months of 95 No

1:03:24

holds barred matches or the theme now

1:03:26

with Brett winning each time decisively with

1:03:28

the sharpshooter And now

1:03:30

as we get to the Royal Rumble in 95

1:03:32

in Tampa on January 22nd Brett's

1:03:35

now got a shot at diesel for the WWF

1:03:37

title But

1:03:40

they're two baby faces Bruce and You

1:03:43

know, I know we tried this a couple of

1:03:45

times here or there but Two

1:03:48

baby faces you got a new

1:03:50

hot baby face world champ and now Maybe

1:03:53

the most established baby face champ that's on

1:03:55

the roster Brett Did you

1:03:58

think maybe somebody would get booed out of the building? building

1:04:00

here, is this a risk having a high

1:04:02

profile match baby face versus baby face like

1:04:04

this? It is a

1:04:06

risk. Yeah, absolutely. It's a risk,

1:04:08

but I think that Brett was

1:04:10

the confidence was in Brett

1:04:13

to be able to go out and if Brett

1:04:16

needed to sway them one way or the other,

1:04:18

I think there was confidence that he could do

1:04:20

that. And diesel was, was

1:04:23

very popular at the time. So when

1:04:26

you book something like that, do you know, as soon as

1:04:28

you put it on paper, it's going to be a

1:04:31

non clean finish because you don't want to hurt either

1:04:33

guy or am I overthinking that? Yeah,

1:04:35

it depends. Look at the overall card. See what

1:04:37

you got. So

1:04:40

it ends in a big smile, of course,

1:04:42

lots of outside interference. The matches a draw

1:04:44

leaves the door open for a rematch down

1:04:46

the line. Uh, and Brett is now out

1:04:48

of the main event for most of the

1:04:50

next year and mostly working in a midcard

1:04:53

role. How did Brett take

1:04:55

to being out of the top spot? You know, I

1:04:57

know that over the years and I

1:04:59

think everybody's cool these days, but once upon a

1:05:01

time, some members of the clique

1:05:03

really had some fun, poking fun at Brett

1:05:05

and saying that, you know, Brett

1:05:07

didn't care what the pay was or what the houses

1:05:09

were, Brett just wanted to be champion. I

1:05:12

don't know Brett that well. Did Brett just want to

1:05:14

be champion or was he cool with being in the middle

1:05:16

of the card as long as you

1:05:18

know, the money in the miles were right or whatever the

1:05:20

cliche is. I think

1:05:22

Brett just always wants to steal the show. There

1:05:24

you go. I think

1:05:26

that's Brett's mindset. Um, I'm

1:05:28

sure he was looking

1:05:31

at, he definitely would have loved to

1:05:33

have been champion. Oh, sure. Why not? But

1:05:35

I think he just wants to steal the show every night. So

1:05:39

a few to set up with a

1:05:41

newcomer named Hakushi, but in the lead

1:05:43

up to WrestleMania nine or

1:05:46

11 rather, and he's also beginning

1:05:48

to rekindle his old feud with

1:05:50

Jerry Lawler Lawler is convincing Hakushi

1:05:52

and his manager, Shinja. That

1:05:55

Brett was racist to the Japanese people.

1:05:58

It was a very strange angle. Brett's

1:06:00

given a plaque as a result of

1:06:02

a WWF magazine reader's poll as to

1:06:04

who epitomizes the new WWF or

1:06:07

the new generation, whatever you want to call it. He

1:06:09

also received the award of the people and

1:06:12

Lawler disputes this saying Japanese readers must

1:06:14

have been excluded from the vote as

1:06:17

there's no way they could vote for Brett. And

1:06:20

Lawler would say Brett was making

1:06:22

some unkind remarks about the Japanese

1:06:24

and flat out just calls

1:06:26

Brett a racist. And this feels

1:06:28

weird. And I know

1:06:30

that we tried once upon a time to do

1:06:33

the whole Yoko Zuna Lex Luger, all

1:06:35

American USA versus Japan

1:06:37

thing. But it feels like we're trying

1:06:39

it again here, but I don't

1:06:41

know. It just feels weird. What's a you? Yeah,

1:06:44

it definitely doesn't age well, but it, you know, it was

1:06:47

kind of, you left

1:06:49

Lawler sometimes to his own

1:06:51

devices and Jerry with a live

1:06:53

mic and in

1:06:55

Tennessee, you know, they did things a little

1:06:57

bit differently. And he wouldn't

1:07:00

happen, you know, cut off pretty

1:07:03

quickly after that and moved on.

1:07:06

No doubt. It was cut off. I mean, very

1:07:09

quickly that the whole racist piece of this angle

1:07:11

is dropped. And now it's

1:07:13

Hakushi bringing out a severed mannequin

1:07:15

head of Brett Hart. And

1:07:18

this is something we've never seen before. Quite

1:07:21

the visual. Obviously this is

1:07:23

years before we saw crazy lanterns with Bray

1:07:25

Wyatt and all that jazz, but he

1:07:28

here in 95, a severed

1:07:31

mannequin head that, uh,

1:07:33

that feels pretty edgy, does it not? Yeah,

1:07:37

it was. It was really cool head too. And I

1:07:39

wanted it. I don't know where it is, but I

1:07:41

want to find it and put it in my office. While

1:07:44

this feud is going on, Brett's going to face

1:07:46

Bob Backlund in a pretty less

1:07:49

than WrestleMania 11 match. It's

1:07:51

mostly remembered for Roddy Piper screaming,

1:07:53

what do you say? Every few seconds as

1:07:55

he stuck the mic in their faces. And

1:07:58

at this point, this is probably. Brett's least favorite

1:08:01

WrestleMania match. Would you agree with that?

1:08:03

To be had to be my gosh,

1:08:06

it was horrible. How,

1:08:09

what do you say there? Fellas come

1:08:11

on. Hey, Hey you that's right. Fella.

1:08:13

What did you say? Come on. Come

1:08:16

on. What do you say? What do you

1:08:18

say? You want to give it up? Ah, yeah. What

1:08:20

do you say? Okay. There are fella. You're

1:08:23

a fine lad. You are

1:08:25

young fella. Yeah. I

1:08:27

was there, you don't know if I was there. I'd

1:08:29

bust that little head up of yours right there. Right

1:08:31

there where you got the little thing over the gimmicks

1:08:34

on the earphone. And gimmicky, I just bust your hair

1:08:36

up there. Maybe it'll go down a little scratch under

1:08:38

your chin there with your beard there coming. The

1:08:43

very first in your house, pay for view. Motherfucker.

1:08:45

Okay. I'm sorry. Happens on boy. You've been itching

1:08:47

to record and you didn't even know it. You're

1:08:49

just ready to let all this out. May

1:08:52

14th Syracuse, New York. Brett's going to defeat in

1:08:54

hakushi in a really great match. And then later

1:08:56

in the night, Jerry Lawler is going to pin

1:08:58

Brett after a little help from Hakushi

1:09:00

to set up a rematch at king of the

1:09:02

ring in June. Uh,

1:09:05

Hakushi though, he had, did

1:09:07

have some good matches with Brett. Was it just

1:09:10

a bad gimmick? Overthought bad

1:09:13

timing. I thought the gimmick was

1:09:15

great. Uh, the Hakushi gimmick was

1:09:17

absolutely great. Unfortunately, there wasn't, um,

1:09:20

I think that if Hakushi

1:09:23

had a stronger manager versus

1:09:25

old, uh, I'm going to

1:09:27

tell the JJ, uh,

1:09:31

uh, I think that he might've

1:09:33

done a lot better to be able to connect

1:09:35

with the audience, but his

1:09:37

matches were terrific, unbelievable worker. Uh,

1:09:40

he was great. So that

1:09:43

part I don't think was problem. I

1:09:45

now very pissed off. Brett Hart is going to

1:09:47

challenge Lawler to any kind of rematch he wants.

1:09:50

And here we get a kiss my

1:09:52

foot stipulation. You're welcome. And in

1:09:54

the weeks leading up to this, Lawler did a bunch

1:09:57

of funny promos on TV saying he's not even going

1:09:59

to wash his. He wants to make

1:10:01

them as grotesque as possible. This

1:10:03

was super silly, but it's old school wrestling

1:10:05

and it worked. Uh, Brett

1:10:07

Hart and Jerry Lawler hooked it up at

1:10:10

the kiss my foot match. They go nine

1:10:12

minutes and 20 seconds. And,

1:10:15

uh, Meltzer didn't hate it. He didn't love it.

1:10:17

They gave it two and three quarters of a

1:10:19

star. Uh, he would

1:10:21

say, uh, Hart

1:10:23

knocked Hakushi out of the ring and shoved his

1:10:25

foot in Lawler's face. He then twisted Lawler's own

1:10:27

foot and put it in Lawler's face. Lawler

1:10:30

sold it like he's going to throw up, which he

1:10:32

did later in the show. Not

1:10:34

a good match technically, but Hart

1:10:36

was the most over person on the show. And

1:10:39

Lawler did a great job working with the crowd.

1:10:41

So the match had by far the most crowd

1:10:43

heat and interest. And I

1:10:45

think that's really like that is

1:10:48

Jerry Lawler in a sentence. Is it not? He did

1:10:50

a great job working with the crowd and has the

1:10:52

most heat by far. Well, that's

1:10:54

kind of what you want. Right. Lawler

1:10:58

was tremendous in this, you know, all the

1:11:00

way, all the way down from just the,

1:11:03

you know, the disgusting feet and the holes

1:11:05

in the socks and the

1:11:07

medieval times promos that we were able

1:11:10

to go cut and shoot in New

1:11:12

Jersey. That was a hell of a

1:11:14

day. And it was, this was fun.

1:11:16

This was a lot of fun. I think it

1:11:18

translated to the screen that people looked

1:11:21

at it and you wanted to see Lawler get his come

1:11:23

up and said, he did. So

1:11:25

it was a good shit. What

1:11:28

was the last time you tried to kiss your own foot like

1:11:30

Lawler? Could you do that today? If we asked, I

1:11:33

try to bite my toenails. Really?

1:11:35

How successful are you? I

1:11:37

hadn't been successful, Connie. Okay. Sad.

1:11:41

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1:11:43

if I were to sniff cocaine off my toenails,

1:11:45

it would be that one. You would

1:11:47

think your lovely wife could help you with that. Well,

1:11:50

what's Kane doing? I would point to

1:11:52

the big toe and I would deal that's got to be

1:11:54

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1:11:58

would think so with Clippers, not with his. teeth.

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So Brett has left off the

1:15:42

next In Your House pay-per-view in July, but

1:15:44

he did defeat Jean-Pierre Lafitte in

1:15:46

a match included on the home video release on

1:15:48

the show and over the course of the next

1:15:50

month, the pirate would

1:15:53

seal Brett's ring jacket from ringside to match and

1:15:55

then stole the shades he'd given to a

1:15:57

fan before another match. So now we're going to

1:15:59

go back to the show. got a big, hot issue over

1:16:01

somebody stole my fucking jacket. While

1:16:05

all of this going on, Lawler brings in

1:16:07

his personal dentist into the feud because

1:16:10

he can't get the taste of Brett's feet out of his

1:16:12

mouth. And of course it's

1:16:14

another one of your great creations. I

1:16:16

think named famously by Bobby the brain.

1:16:18

Heenan Isaac Yankham man.

1:16:23

You guys, did you just

1:16:25

reach directly into the book of bad ideas and

1:16:28

pull out one at a time for breath this

1:16:30

year. It feels like it. Hey,

1:16:32

we want you to wrestle King Kong Bundy, and

1:16:35

then we want you to wrestle. Bob

1:16:37

backland. And then we're going

1:16:39

to say you're racist against Japanese people.

1:16:42

And then we're going to have you wrestle Lawler in a

1:16:44

kiss your foot match. And then we're going to have

1:16:46

a pirate steal your fucking jacket. And then this evil

1:16:48

dentist will come along. That's the same year, dude. Yeah.

1:16:56

You felt like that was a good, that's the good.

1:16:58

Oh, don't you hit us with that. At

1:17:01

the TV taping's in late July, Brett and Sharon

1:17:03

actually team up for a couple of dark matches.

1:17:06

And they would defeat Jacob and Eli

1:17:08

blue and also Lawler and Hakushi. Why

1:17:11

were Brett and Sean put together here? Just you

1:17:14

knew they could have good matches together and they

1:17:16

were both young baby faces or what's the thinking.

1:17:20

Yes. And because they were, and they always

1:17:22

did. So there was definitely chemistry

1:17:24

there. And it was something

1:17:26

that they

1:17:28

were opposites and opposites attracted, but

1:17:31

yet they were very much the same. If

1:17:33

you hear this, you probably start to think,

1:17:35

okay, I get why Brett was frustrated or

1:17:37

why Brett wanted to take a little time off. He

1:17:40

defeats the evil dentist at summer slim in Pittsburgh

1:17:42

on August 27th. Not a bad match,

1:17:44

but he's not in the

1:17:46

main event and he's working with evil dentists.

1:17:48

So not sliding Kane or Glenn Jacobs, but

1:17:51

Lord, this is probably

1:17:53

not what he hoped for and next

1:17:55

he's going to defeat the evil pirate and in

1:17:57

your house three and Saginaw on September 24th. He

1:18:00

gets back his precious ring jacket. Ben,

1:18:02

boy. He

1:18:04

does it a week later. And finally

1:18:06

we end that silly feud and he tries to

1:18:09

blow off the Isaac Yankham piece of business by

1:18:11

defeating him in a, I think

1:18:13

the first steel cage match on raw, which happened

1:18:15

October 16th, 1995 Lawler's in his very own

1:18:18

shark cage above the ring. That's pretty old school.

1:18:21

And he does commentary for the diesel British bulldog

1:18:24

main event at in your house four, and

1:18:26

of course it's announced that he'll face the winner

1:18:28

at the following one survivor series. This

1:18:31

is of course the famous show or Vince

1:18:34

threw down his headset and discussed after the paper

1:18:36

view ended and yelled

1:18:38

horrible. You

1:18:40

had to be feeling the same thing. Like the company

1:18:42

is like a ship without a sale at this point,

1:18:44

just to add context to this. This

1:18:47

is October of 95 AKA

1:18:50

Monday night trail has started and

1:18:53

we've got a schmaz finish here that Vince

1:18:55

clearly was not happy with. What

1:18:58

do you remember about that? Yeah, nothing

1:19:00

was working. Not just, it felt, it

1:19:02

felt like everything was being

1:19:04

slapped together. Brett's

1:19:07

going to defeat diesel to win the WWF

1:19:09

title for a third time at survivor series,

1:19:11

maybe one of Kevin Nash's best matches he

1:19:13

ever had. This is the

1:19:15

first time I recall they do the Spanish announced

1:19:17

table spot, which looked really cool because

1:19:19

of course it's unexpected. This is the first time

1:19:22

it's happened. Maybe they've overdone it

1:19:24

since, but it still gets a reaction.

1:19:26

But this first time people

1:19:28

were shocked with what Brett and Kevin did

1:19:30

here with that table, right? Yeah,

1:19:34

it was pretty cool. The

1:19:38

title change, I mean, it was, it was different. It was,

1:19:40

it was cool. So it was like, it

1:19:43

was, it was different, especially for the time. So

1:19:46

the title change seems to be a bit overlooked though,

1:19:48

when we get to raw, the next night, it's all

1:19:51

about Shawn Michaels return. And this

1:19:53

is of course his return after the whole Syracuse

1:19:55

incident. And the collapse in

1:19:57

this match with Owen Hart. I

1:20:00

could see how Brett felt like maybe he was getting

1:20:02

put on the back burner. The

1:20:04

buildup to the next in your house with Brett

1:20:06

and bulldog and her. She is a bit lacking.

1:20:08

Bob back when for some reason is back involved

1:20:11

attacks Brett on your very short,

1:20:13

low, short lived return to TV,

1:20:15

their brother love show. Why

1:20:18

in the world were we bringing back the brother love show in

1:20:20

95? I had no

1:20:22

idea. Hated

1:20:24

it. You didn't want to do it. No,

1:20:27

did not want to do it. Is that was

1:20:29

more of a just, you know, Hey, let's, let's

1:20:32

do something different and different,

1:20:35

different place and time and all that good

1:20:37

shit. Diana is

1:20:39

also brought back into the few to try to

1:20:41

rekindle some of that magic from summer slam 92

1:20:43

at Wembley stadium. And before we

1:20:46

get there, we do a bunch of Brett

1:20:48

undertaker house show matches where diesel interferes to

1:20:50

cost taker the title every time. And

1:20:53

it feels like we're sort of testing the waters for what's

1:20:55

to come later. But two

1:20:57

days before in your house five from Hershey,

1:20:59

there's a special showdown at the corral event

1:21:01

in Calgary to honor 50

1:21:04

years since Stu hearts pro wrestling

1:21:06

debut. What do you remember

1:21:08

about that show? Bruce, it's kind of interesting because Stu

1:21:11

carried so much respect. He had talent from

1:21:13

both the WWF and WCW on that program.

1:21:17

Yeah. And you know, from time to time we

1:21:19

would do things like that. It was like the

1:21:21

Paul Bosch retirement tour using talent

1:21:24

from everywhere and to honor Stu, uh, we

1:21:27

were happy to do it. I wasn't there, but

1:21:29

it was, uh, it

1:21:31

was apparently a hell of

1:21:33

an event. Brett gives

1:21:36

Stu his glasses in his pre-match routine before

1:21:38

defeating the bulldog in a warmup before their

1:21:40

pay-per-view match. And once again,

1:21:42

he beats bulldog at in your house in

1:21:44

a blood bath, but another great match. And

1:21:47

Brett winds up closing the year, defeating

1:21:49

diesel in several cage matches on

1:21:52

the post-Christmas, uh, half shell run. And

1:21:55

you got to think this 1995 year,

1:21:57

maybe it ended on a high note for Brett. But

1:22:00

it felt like that this was

1:22:02

one of the more challenging years of his career.

1:22:05

And we know as we start 96, we're heading towards

1:22:07

him trying to be the guy to make

1:22:10

Shawn Michaels. Do you think

1:22:12

Brett was maybe,

1:22:14

is this fair to say, a little burned out? Was

1:22:19

he frustrated with creative? I mean, if you

1:22:21

had, I don't know, war, I don't know.

1:22:24

I would say probably the best way to

1:22:26

describe him rather than burnout is worn out.

1:22:28

There you go. I think

1:22:30

that it became a, just

1:22:35

a challenge every night and

1:22:37

a challenge every day to go through

1:22:39

the airports and to pack his bag and go

1:22:41

on from there. So,

1:22:45

yeah, I think

1:22:48

burnout, worn out,

1:22:50

all of that applies to that point because let's just

1:22:52

think that he wanted to be the top guy. Let's

1:22:57

do a few questions here. Drew Landry wants to know, why

1:23:00

have Brett lose the championship to Backlund

1:23:02

when Backlund loses the title to Diesel

1:23:04

shortly thereafter? Why not just have Brett

1:23:06

losing some DQ fashion and set

1:23:09

up Brett and Owen for the title at Rumble or

1:23:11

WrestleMania 11? That's

1:23:13

an interesting question. You know, I understand the

1:23:15

need for Backlund. If you really want to

1:23:17

go with Diesel, then maybe you don't

1:23:19

want to hurt Brett. You want a transitional champion. I

1:23:21

get that. But I can

1:23:23

also see how Brett versus Owen at WrestleMania 11

1:23:26

for the title could have been awesome. And

1:23:28

if maybe it doesn't work there, maybe it could at the

1:23:30

Rumble. Had Vince lost faith and

1:23:32

confidence in Brett and Owen as a pay-per-view

1:23:34

attraction? I

1:23:36

don't know if he had lost faith in them. I

1:23:39

just think that there was kind

1:23:41

of looking at it, wanting to try Diesel as

1:23:43

the champion and Diesel is the guy. That

1:23:46

decision was made. It's as simple as that. Was

1:23:49

it, was it based on Vince seeing soft

1:23:51

houses and feeling like we needed a

1:23:53

change or, you know, there's the

1:23:56

conspiracy theorists in wrestling who would say, Oh, it's

1:23:58

because the clique got in his ear. No,

1:24:01

Click had absolutely nothing to do

1:24:04

with it at all. It was more

1:24:06

just looking at the reactions that

1:24:09

Diesel was getting, you know, coming out

1:24:11

and he was getting baby face reactions.

1:24:14

I think a lot of that had to do with Sean, but,

1:24:17

um, that's

1:24:19

what it was. Yambag Jones

1:24:21

writes, being a serious of person as

1:24:23

Brett was, how was he

1:24:26

about working such a goofy gimmick match, like a

1:24:28

kiss my foot match. And

1:24:31

dude, I asked that. That's not my question.

1:24:33

Thanks, Yambag. But we know

1:24:35

that he didn't necessarily love when wrestling

1:24:37

got super edgy and the attitude era

1:24:41

and he was, you know, coming

1:24:43

up when wrestling by and large was more

1:24:45

family oriented and there were more kids involved

1:24:47

and things like that. So this feels sort

1:24:49

of old school and classic, but it

1:24:51

is a little silly. Where did Brett land on it?

1:24:54

I don't think Brett was happy about it. I

1:24:57

don't think Brett was real pleased about doing the

1:24:59

kiss my foot match. Um, what

1:25:01

about when he did it and he did it well, a

1:25:05

guy like Brett is

1:25:07

universally regarded as being a Mount Rushmore

1:25:09

level in ring performer. And

1:25:11

if you're a Southern guy, like let's say

1:25:14

a Jeff Jarrett, Jeff believes

1:25:16

Jerry Lawler is the greatest performer of all time.

1:25:19

And there's a lot of other folks who's here

1:25:21

that nationally and they think, Oh, that's that Memphis.

1:25:23

What Memphis is just sort of

1:25:25

dismissed. What did Brett think of

1:25:27

working with Lawler? I

1:25:30

don't think that he was really high on Lawler, but

1:25:32

say, I'll tell you this, you know, that

1:25:34

Jerry gets painted with that Memphis brush, rightfully

1:25:37

so. And I don't know

1:25:39

that things that they did in Memphis

1:25:42

would work elsewhere. Any, you

1:25:45

know, anywhere else in the world in great

1:25:48

many respects. However,

1:25:50

I will say

1:25:52

this about Jerry Lawler. You

1:25:55

know, I saw Jerry Lawler come in to San

1:25:57

Antonio, come into Texas.

1:26:01

Florida, Mid-South,

1:26:05

different areas and

1:26:08

immediately get over because

1:26:11

Jerry Lawler knows how to

1:26:13

get over. And

1:26:16

Jerry's promos are believable. They're

1:26:18

straightforward. They sell tickets and

1:26:20

his work was

1:26:23

good. Now if Jerry came in

1:26:25

to do a lot of the Memphis

1:26:30

schtick that they did and the booking that they

1:26:32

did, I don't think that

1:26:34

that would have gotten over everywhere.

1:26:36

But Jerry Lawler singularly as

1:26:38

a performer I think could have gotten over anywhere.

1:26:44

I don't think that's too hard to argue. Totally

1:26:47

agree. Ranchers Nation Network says, Did Brett keep

1:26:49

the company popular through the tough years of

1:26:51

1994 and 1995 and the company? Better

1:26:55

said, was he in your opinion the franchise in

1:26:57

1994 and 1995? I

1:27:01

think that the logo was the franchise

1:27:03

during that time. Okay. It

1:27:05

was just branded well. Yes.

1:27:08

Michael Brigette wants to know, We had the big

1:27:10

rivalry in this era between Brett

1:27:12

and Owen with Owen chasing the title

1:27:14

for Brett. Was there ever any consideration

1:27:16

of Owen holding the title and Brett

1:27:18

chasing the title? There

1:27:21

was consideration for a minute, but

1:27:24

I think the feeling

1:27:26

of Owen on the chase was the better

1:27:28

story. Is

1:27:31

that because Vince, I mean, you've told us before

1:27:33

that the WWF was a

1:27:35

quote unquote babyface territory. Is

1:27:37

that what that comes down to? Partially,

1:27:40

but I also think that it came

1:27:42

down to if

1:27:45

you put it on Owen, then Owen

1:27:47

is climbing the mountain. And

1:27:50

part of Owen's charm

1:27:53

was and part of his heel was, was

1:27:55

that he couldn't get it, but always felt

1:27:57

that he was getting screwed in not getting

1:27:59

it. Totally makes sense. Uh,

1:28:02

here's one from, uh, Michael. He wants to

1:28:05

know, I always

1:28:07

liked Brett and thought he was phenomenal in the ring. He

1:28:10

seemed like a real mark for himself though. Do

1:28:12

you see him that way? This is some of

1:28:14

that Brett hater aid. And

1:28:17

I know that there's a contingent of folks

1:28:19

who work in the business. They think

1:28:21

it's not cool to keep any of your

1:28:23

collectibles or any of your keepsakes or mementos.

1:28:25

As I'm looking at you, you got some of your

1:28:27

stuff hanging around. I think it's cool. Uh, I mean,

1:28:30

why not? And I, uh, for whatever reason, I

1:28:32

guess villainized sometimes when people talk about Brett, why

1:28:34

do you think that is? I

1:28:37

think that Brett was proud of his

1:28:39

career and proud of his accomplishments. I'm proud of

1:28:41

my career and proud of my accomplishments. So, um,

1:28:46

these marks, oh my. And, and

1:28:48

to that, I think that Brett, you know, did

1:28:50

see himself in a different way, maybe sometimes than

1:28:52

others did, but that's okay. If you

1:28:55

don't see yourself as a champion and carry yourself

1:28:57

as a champion and the guy, then you're never

1:28:59

going to get to be the guy. I've

1:29:02

always been under the impression to be successful

1:29:04

in wrestling or just in life. You know,

1:29:06

this isn't going to be popular, but if

1:29:09

you don't believe in you, who will right? Exactly.

1:29:14

So you got to own it and go for it. And

1:29:17

he did, man. No doubt about that. All

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one from the

1:30:42

Rosen Coaster. With the failure

1:30:44

of the Lex Express in 93, were

1:30:46

there any ever serious considerations of turning Lex

1:30:49

and working with bread as a champ during

1:30:51

this era? How come that

1:30:53

match never came to be? Lex

1:30:56

left. That was the plan

1:30:59

though, you think? No, it was. It

1:31:01

was talked about turning Lex heel, yes.

1:31:06

But that wasn't a specific plan. We

1:31:08

were gonna continue to team Lex with

1:31:10

Bulldog. Then he left.

1:31:12

So who knows what he could have done.

1:31:14

I'm curious about, cause I'm

1:31:16

gonna sort of ask the question that a

1:31:18

fan asked or a listener asked, was

1:31:21

Brett like the franchise player? And you

1:31:23

thought really that was the logo.

1:31:27

If Brett wasn't the guy in 94, 95, was

1:31:30

he ever the guy in your opinion? I

1:31:34

just don't know if Brett

1:31:37

was ever in the position to be the guy.

1:31:39

And I know that's not, well, he was the

1:31:41

champion. Yes, he was.

1:31:43

But I don't still don't know that

1:31:46

everything was around him to make it

1:31:49

so that he could be the guy. Did

1:31:53

you feel like, and I'm not saying this

1:31:55

to be funny, I'm trying to understand

1:31:57

and follow like, cause one of

1:31:59

the things. you and I've talked about a lot

1:32:01

on the program and the archives is the

1:32:03

what if scenario right like what

1:32:06

if the screw job doesn't happen and

1:32:09

what if because we know Shawn Michaels

1:32:11

is gone five months after that but

1:32:15

if if Brett hung around

1:32:17

yeah what would have been possible for

1:32:19

him when the company really got hot it's

1:32:22

just crazy to think about and we talk

1:32:24

about all the time that timing is everything 93 that

1:32:27

it feels like this is a company in transition

1:32:29

we try to make him the champ in 92

1:32:31

he has it through most of

1:32:33

93 we do the whole

1:32:36

Hogan Yoko thing Yoko kind of becomes the guy

1:32:38

94 I think it's hard to argue

1:32:42

that player that that Brett's not the guy in 94

1:32:44

but my 95 it does feel like

1:32:47

Vince had lost some confidence and was

1:32:49

just trying something new and even though

1:32:51

he's gonna start 96 with the title we all

1:32:53

know he's gonna drop it to Shawn at 9 in at

1:32:56

Russell mania 12 I'm

1:32:59

with you I don't know that Brett really had an

1:33:01

opportunity to stretch his

1:33:03

wings and it would be interesting to think about

1:33:05

if he stuck around through 98 and 99 in

1:33:07

2000 what that could have looked like

1:33:11

with him and rock him in

1:33:13

Austin over and over and over him

1:33:16

an angle him and Benoit him

1:33:19

and Jericho on and on and on right yeah

1:33:22

and again I don't know because when

1:33:24

you look at all those

1:33:26

names all those names were new yes

1:33:29

so it wasn't so then

1:33:31

you would have to make the argument okay well

1:33:33

Brett stuck around then would Shawn

1:33:35

is you know still been a part

1:33:38

of the mix would diesel and razor

1:33:40

what if they didn't leave you know

1:33:43

all those questions then come into play

1:33:45

and you wouldn't have had the

1:33:47

opportunity for a stone called Steve Austin or

1:33:49

a rock or a triple-h or a mankind

1:33:52

to get over so

1:33:54

I think that while it

1:33:57

is timing it's circumstance too I

1:34:01

just look back at 95 and I think,

1:34:05

and you were there for it, was 95 the worst year

1:34:09

economically in company history? Like do you remember

1:34:11

it being like, because you're there at the

1:34:13

peak right? So you're there right after WrestleMania

1:34:16

3 and you see all the phenomenal Hogan

1:34:18

stuff and then you see the

1:34:20

worm start to turn a little bit with the

1:34:22

Iraqi stuff and it starts to slow down a

1:34:24

little bit. But by 95

1:34:26

it does feel like if there was a low point

1:34:28

and I know you know we never sell those, it

1:34:31

was probably 95 right? Probably

1:34:35

so, if you know if

1:34:37

not the one of. What else

1:34:41

would you put up there with 95 year-wise? I mean I

1:34:43

know 93 had to be tough because

1:34:45

it was like a company in transition but you had

1:34:48

Hogan for a hiccup you're trying to

1:34:50

do the Yoko thing but

1:34:52

by 94 it feels like alright we're just trying

1:34:54

this new generation stuff you could take a look

1:34:56

at like WrestleMania 10 and see every celebrity in

1:34:58

the world there and we try

1:35:00

to do that again for 11. I don't think

1:35:02

anybody cared just 95 just

1:35:04

feels less than. 96 you start to

1:35:07

feel some momentum. 97 we're heating up. It's gonna be

1:35:09

a toss-up between 94 and 95. Okay

1:35:15

well what we know for sure is

1:35:17

that things are gonna get hot for

1:35:19

Shawn Michaels. Bret Hart's biggest rival next

1:35:21

week we're gonna be talking about Shawn

1:35:23

Michaels and his 97-98 from losing

1:35:26

a smile and forfeiting the title in

1:35:28

February to all the backstage stuff

1:35:30

that happened with him and Bret over the summer of

1:35:32

97 the eventual heel turn

1:35:35

bringing in Rick Roode creating DX.

1:35:38

Unfortunately the screw job the

1:35:41

the undertaker injury the

1:35:43

the hell in the cell so

1:35:46

much to talk about of course Owen Hart

1:35:48

sticking around and then we know

1:35:50

what happens. He gets hurt at

1:35:52

the rumble and drops the title to stone

1:35:55

cold at WrestleMania 14 but I think when you

1:35:57

take a look just at an in-ring performance

1:36:00

swagger character, blah, blah, blah.

1:36:02

There's a snippet of Sean there and from late 97

1:36:04

and early 98 that I don't think

1:36:07

we'll ever be paralleled. And,

1:36:09

uh, it'll be interesting to sort of see how

1:36:11

the company has changed too, because we're talking about

1:36:13

a company and maybe

1:36:16

tough times here in 94, 95 with

1:36:18

Brett, but 90, 97, 98,

1:36:20

man, we start to get a little bit

1:36:22

of momentum. And unfortunately Brett's not there for all of

1:36:24

it, but he's there for a lot of it. What

1:36:27

do you think we'll talk about next week with Sean Michaels

1:36:29

on deck? You know,

1:36:31

I think that in some ways it

1:36:33

was, I don't want to say the decline

1:36:36

of Sean Michaels, but, but it was, it

1:36:38

was the rise and decline of Sean Michaels

1:36:40

all at the same time, which

1:36:43

is probably the most pivotal,

1:36:45

pivotal years of his entire

1:36:47

career. We've

1:36:49

got a ton of really fun stuff planned for

1:36:51

you guys that I hope Bruce and I get

1:36:53

to click record on. Um, of

1:36:56

course this week it was all about Brett Hart, 94, 95

1:36:58

next week, Sean, 97,

1:37:01

98, September 9th. We

1:37:03

hope to bring you a Ken Shamrock's

1:37:05

99 and then ultimately his exit from

1:37:08

the company. Uh, we'll talk

1:37:10

about one night only and what a special

1:37:12

show that was for the UK on September

1:37:14

16th, we'll hit unforgiven Oh two

1:37:16

on the 23rd of September. And

1:37:18

then on the 30th, we're hoping to watch

1:37:20

October 3rd, 1987 of Saturday night's

1:37:23

main event, something for everybody. Some

1:37:26

nineties, some early 2000s, some

1:37:28

eighties. This is going

1:37:30

to be fun. Now, what are the odds you think we

1:37:33

actually get to do all those Bruce? Come on. Well,

1:37:36

you know, we'll

1:37:39

get there. Give some folks some confidence here

1:37:41

because off air you and I spoke. And

1:37:43

I said, Bruce, you know, we,

1:37:45

we used to have a podcast. It would be nice

1:37:47

if we could sit down and click record. And

1:37:50

boy, you were so excited to say, Hey

1:37:52

man. Let's do it. Let's get

1:37:54

back on track. Let's do it. We're going to

1:37:56

make it happen. Right.

1:38:00

was that thing you like to say about, okay.

1:38:03

I have some extenuated circumstances this week.

1:38:05

I'll tell you off air, but, you

1:38:07

know, we're going to do our best. You

1:38:09

know what they are. I know what some of those are. Listen,

1:38:11

I know there's a lot of moving parts in your life and

1:38:13

I have, I haven't worn your ass out. I've been a good

1:38:15

partner. I know. And if there was

1:38:17

a, if there was a way I could microphone

1:38:19

in, in the, uh, well, I probably wouldn't be

1:38:22

good either. No, it would not. Yeah.

1:38:25

Could you imagine that? You

1:38:27

think you got heat now, brother. Woo. Hey,

1:38:31

this was a lot of fun. I felt like old

1:38:34

times. It's like riding the bike. I hope we get

1:38:36

to show up and show out next week for you

1:38:38

on all things. Sean Michaels, 97, 98

1:38:41

right here on something to

1:38:43

wrestle with. Merce,

1:38:45

Richard rock

1:38:47

on. For the

1:38:49

first time ever star cast

1:38:51

goes international. Oceania

1:38:54

pro wrestling and visit Victoria. Present

1:38:56

star cast down under set to

1:38:58

take Ballarat Victoria by storm from

1:39:01

April 11th through to April 14th,

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