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2:01

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I... Hey,

2:12

hey, it's Conrad Thompson and you're listening

2:14

to Something to Wrestle With. Bruce

2:17

Prichard. And of course, to the tune of

2:19

the song, I'm gonna be your host, and

2:22

I'm gonna be your host, and I'm gonna be your

2:25

host, and I'm gonna

2:27

be your host, Bruce Prichard.

2:30

And of course, today, we are

2:33

one day away from WrestleMania. So

2:36

we're reaching into the vault talking about

2:38

the good old days of professional wrestling.

2:42

The good old days of WrestleMania. We're

2:44

gonna be revisiting WrestleMania 12 today here, on

2:47

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2:49

we are indeed on the road to WrestleMania.

2:52

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3:42

it's Conrad Thompson, and you're listening

3:44

to Something to Wrestle with. Bruce

3:46

Prichard. Bruce, what's going on, man? How are you? Nothing

3:50

in paradise, my god. Well, man,

3:52

I'm excited. Is that my summer shirt? Is

3:56

that your summer shirt? Yeah. Oh,

3:58

yeah. I am 41 I'll

4:00

be 42 in a month Sure,

4:05

it's almost as old as you if not

4:07

old really this

4:09

was my You know we talked

4:11

about the verdict when? Then

4:14

some sound innocent. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah that

4:17

wonderful stuff for steroids and

4:19

all that good shit. Yeah, and

4:21

I remember the suit he wore and I

4:24

remember the shirt that I wore

4:26

to go celebrate. This is it. That's

4:28

your that's your steroid trial Yeah,

4:31

how about that? Yeah, that's

4:34

pretty cool. So yeah, that's your it's 30 years old At

4:37

least yeah Well,

4:39

we're gonna be talking about something that's nearly

4:41

30 years old we have hoped to cover

4:43

our topic this past March but as

4:46

Has been the case for the past few

4:49

years usually busy during March. So we Wind

4:52

up doing a couple of best-ofs and we missed

4:54

a great topic WrestleMania

4:56

12 covering it today From

4:59

the Arrowhead pond in Anaheim, California How

5:02

long the ducks? This is

5:04

the first WrestleMania we've covered since

5:07

last year's episode on WrestleMania 21 and

5:09

then of course You

5:13

know, we touched on WrestleMania 24 but

5:16

my goodness man as

5:19

if this wasn't Stressful

5:21

enough planning WrestleMania

5:25

You're also planning a wedding here

5:28

in 1996. How crazy are you?

5:31

Oh the wedding was the least of my problems That

5:35

was easy that was Las Vegas little white

5:37

chapel I do she do we do let's

5:39

go to Hong Kong Well,

5:42

all right better than that Yeah,

5:45

Hong Kong has always been the most interesting

5:47

place to honeymoon ever to me.

5:49

Yeah. Yeah, you agree with

5:52

that Not as interesting

5:54

as On

5:57

a honeymoon is say,

6:00

if you're going on a boy's trip, it's probably a

6:02

little different than if you're going on a probably so.

6:04

Yes. Yeah. I would agree with that. I

6:06

would tend to agree with that, but it was still beautiful, man.

6:08

I had a, I love Hong Kong

6:10

and I got it. I love showing her why

6:12

I loved Hong Kong and, uh, taking

6:15

her around and getting to see all the sites

6:17

and Hong

6:19

Kong to me is like a

6:22

sophisticated New York city, wow. Except

6:25

cleaner and more

6:27

people speak English. Oh

6:30

my gosh. Listen to you. True.

6:33

Hey, um, since we're talking about New York there

6:35

for a minute, it made me, we haven't

6:38

talked about this normally we talk off air. Have

6:40

you been watching succession? Of course, this Sunday

6:42

is the season finale. Lots

6:45

and lots of people have drawn wrestling parallels

6:48

to that show. Clearly it's loosely based on

6:50

the Rupert Murdoch family, but I

6:52

think this season might be the best

6:54

single season. Any television

6:56

show has had. I'm pumped for the finale

6:58

this Sunday. Are you caught

7:00

up? I am caught up. Actually.

7:04

No, no, no, no, no. Let me take that back. I

7:06

did not see all of last week. Okay.

7:09

So I haven't seen the funeral. So it's

7:11

not a spoiler is

7:13

it? Well, it might be,

7:15

but here's the deal. Everybody knows that there was a funeral.

7:18

Well, I mean, the name of the show is succession. I

7:20

think they figured that out, but yeah. Yeah. Here's

7:22

the thing, man. I think they've, uh, they've,

7:25

they've hit a home run with this. I'm

7:27

sad to see it go. Uh,

7:29

the writing has been fantastic. All

7:32

right, Bruce, before we do that, I got a question. What was the

7:34

last time you Googled your name, dude, or your email? Well,

7:37

you know, it's kind of terrifying

7:39

when you do, because it's amazing.

7:41

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7:45

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7:52

things, because there's people out there that,

7:54

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9:35

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calm/Russell a you are a

10:32

calm slash Russell

10:37

WrestleMania 12 went down on

10:39

March 31st there's

10:42

fifteen thousand eight hundred and fifty five

10:45

fans in the building twelve thousand nine

10:47

hundred and nine of those paid

10:49

a gross of seven hundred and

10:52

thirty seven thousand dollars and It

10:54

showed us two hundred ninety thousand buys You

10:57

know when I think about maybe

11:01

The forgotten Russell mania's I often think

11:03

of Russell mania 11 with

11:05

Lawrence Taylor and Bambam Bigelow That

11:08

one did three hundred and forty thousand

11:10

buys and we're down here a year

11:12

later with Brett and Sean on top. I

11:15

Mean surely you don't think LT was responsible

11:18

for that difference that extra fifty thousand buys

11:20

there Was this just the business

11:22

was on a down cycle here or maybe they

11:24

didn't want to see it the new gas station

11:26

opened or? What do we

11:28

call that? I do think that

11:30

LT was responsible for a large number

11:33

of those buys especially in the New

11:36

York metropolitan area LT

11:38

was a huge celebrity in the Northeast One

11:42

of the other interesting things is you guys

11:44

did a pay-per-view Decrease we

11:47

almost never talk about that because

11:49

it almost never happens usually it goes up Let

11:52

me explain Russell mania 34 or I'm sorry

11:55

wrestle mania 11 was thirty four

11:57

ninety five and Russell mania 12

12:00

was 29 95. So it went down

12:02

$5. Normally we're

12:04

used to price increases. Are

12:08

you thinking, and maybe if we

12:10

make it a little more affordable, more folks will

12:12

buy it, did we need to put a premium

12:14

on it the prior year for our structure with

12:16

LT what's the strategy with a

12:18

$5 decrease here? I think

12:20

it's as simple as we had

12:23

always priced WrestleMania higher

12:25

than the other pay-per-view events. And

12:29

since we were now doing so many, the idea

12:32

became let's keep

12:34

it at the same consistent price

12:37

all year long. So people don't look at their

12:39

cable bill and go, well, wait a minute. You

12:41

know, I've got 39 95 for this. Everything

12:44

else is 29 95. They think

12:46

they made a mistake this

12:48

way. You know, now just keep it consistent

12:50

across the board for each event. Well,

12:54

of course that would have been the big four, but

12:56

you're still running in your houses that are going to

12:58

be two hour shows for reduced price though. Right. Not

13:00

for long. Right. No, we know that

13:02

eventually changes. Uh, the road

13:04

to WrestleMania, of course, begins at the Royal

13:06

Rumble and that's where we would see diesel

13:08

cost the undertaker, his oral title match against

13:11

Brett Hart, Shawn Michaels

13:13

wins the Royal

13:15

Rumble. Uh, Goldust is going to win

13:17

the intercontinental title from Razor Ramon. And

13:20

we see Vader make his

13:22

in-ring debut for the WWF. And the

13:25

very next night on Monday night, raw,

13:27

we have a classic angle with Vader

13:30

and gorilla monsoon and Vader is going

13:32

to, uh, attack monsoon, put him on

13:34

the shelf. We've covered this in the

13:36

archives of our Vader episode, which is

13:39

phenomenal episode over at something to wrestle.com.

13:42

Yes. Astonishing to me. You just mentioned his

13:44

name, Vader. And I really don't,

13:47

as you know, don't do a whole

13:49

lot of that social media stuff. Right.

13:52

Um, but reading

13:54

and the number of people

13:56

that have jumped on the

13:59

Vader. bandwagon as far as

14:01

yeah, no, he was horrible. He

14:03

was horrible last few years at

14:06

WCW. And he was a

14:08

shell of himself. When I say he

14:11

looked at like it's just crazy. Jake

14:13

the snake has said it. Nick Patrick,

14:15

but also a lot of fans

14:18

have made the comment that hey,

14:20

man, he lost at WCW wasn't

14:23

what people perceived him to be, and

14:25

what we wanted to hold on to. And, you

14:27

know, I thought that was, that

14:30

was nice and interesting because again,

14:33

great guy. Enjoyed

14:36

sitting down having a drink with him. But

14:39

he wasn't he wasn't that killer. We've got to

14:41

us. Well, I argue it because

14:43

as a fan, and I am a fan of

14:45

Vader, I don't want to see

14:48

my guys, I want to see him do well.

14:50

And I don't want everyone to acknowledge that maybe

14:52

they've lost a step or they're getting older. I

14:55

think we all long for the nostalgia. And

14:57

they can't say that way forever. I

15:00

get that. And you approach it from a business

15:02

standpoint of you're trying to put forth the best

15:04

product and I'm just pulling for my favorites. That's

15:06

the difference. But

15:09

I think he needs new favorites. Wait,

15:12

he's no longer. I need to be your

15:14

favorite. Okay, you are my favorite Bruce invaders.

15:17

No, it doesn't feel that way. Sometimes.

15:20

When when you reach there very

15:22

hurtful sometimes when you reschedule our

15:25

taping 42 times a week. Do

15:27

I not accommodate it? 41. So

15:29

how could you? So

15:32

I'm talking about I'm talking

15:34

about. All right. You

15:37

know, one I mean, come on,

15:39

please. You really got to

15:41

fucking not accommodate me one time. Well,

15:43

sometimes. Hey, man, I'll be ready tonight

15:45

at 11pm. It's like, I have to

15:47

sleep eventually. Bruce, we started trying to

15:49

tape this morning at six. It's midnight.

15:51

I'm going to bed now. Well,

15:54

that's on you. That's on

15:56

that's on you. I agree.

15:58

But that is on you. Between

16:00

the four go I have

16:03

not even bathed yet for you.

16:07

You don't ever have to bathe for me. I don't, I won't

16:09

smell you all the way down here. And

16:11

if I do, I will tell you it's time

16:13

to bathe. But I like to bathe first

16:16

thing in the morning, but I didn't. I

16:18

have other things to do. Did

16:20

you take a big country shit yet? No,

16:22

I haven't. Wow. No,

16:25

I ain't taking a big city shit. Uh,

16:28

is there anything more frustrating than thinking you don't

16:30

have to go taking a shower and then realizing

16:32

you have to shit? That's the most I go

16:34

back in the shower. Well,

16:38

that's, that's a

16:40

shame. No. Uh,

16:43

between the rumble and WrestleMania, a lot happens, including a

16:45

paper view. So we're going to go ahead and get

16:47

you up and just sort of close the gap. We

16:50

would see Roddy Piper step into a new

16:52

role here. He's going to be replacing gorilla

16:54

monsoon, at least on screen as the president

16:57

of the WVF. Uh,

16:59

bringing Roddy in is always

17:01

a good move. Um, this is

17:03

just nostalgia of pro wrestling. Of course,

17:05

during the WrestleMania season, I

17:07

mean that first WrestleMania was all about

17:09

Roddy Piper, the 12 years later,

17:11

WrestleMania 12, here we are, uh, or

17:14

11 years later. Um, how

17:17

does that deal come together for Roddy

17:19

to be back and be in the

17:21

ring? So

17:23

we were going to, uh,

17:26

WrestleMania 12. So

17:28

we ended up with the back

17:30

street or back lot brawl

17:34

with gold dust. The

17:37

idea was one of, you know,

17:40

looking at what

17:45

could, you know, what could we stunt? What could we do?

17:49

And I think it was actually Vince

17:51

Russo who came up with

17:53

the idea of what if, you know, somebody beat

17:56

the shit out of OJ Simpson. Simpson

18:00

had recently been acquitted of,

18:04

you know, well,

18:07

obviously, he was acquitted for murdering his

18:09

wife. But I think

18:13

that the sentiment in America,

18:15

and all over the world

18:17

that matter, felt that maybe OJ

18:19

was not all that innocent. So

18:22

the feeling was a lot of people want to beat shit out

18:25

of OJ. And

18:27

looking for someone in that

18:29

realm, because it was Hollywood, OJ, you

18:31

know, all that happened in Hollywood. Maybe

18:34

there was someone who could beat

18:37

the shit out of OJ. And the more we talked about it, the

18:40

more that was an extremely poor taste

18:42

and didn't want to do it. I

18:44

contacted Roddy about, hey,

18:49

would you do this? And

18:51

he said only if it were a shoot. Okay,

18:56

well, probably won't not going to do that.

18:58

But how are you doing? Roddy and I

19:01

started talking about other things. And then Gorilla

19:03

monsoon's health was not the best. And we

19:05

thought, well, we could use Roddy here to

19:07

be a interim president and

19:09

colorful character, but have him on the

19:12

TV show. And he used for him

19:14

every week. So

19:18

maybe the original idea was we bring him

19:20

in to do something with

19:25

OJ, we know he's going to wind up

19:27

working with Goldust. But the rumor in innuendo

19:30

has always been it was originally going to

19:32

be Scott Hall that worked with Goldust at

19:34

WrestleMania. Yeah, that was that was the

19:36

original plan. No, it was the original

19:38

plan. Yes. We're going to talk about why

19:40

that changed. Before we do, we should mention that before

19:43

WrestleMania we start shaving your head or

19:45

something. What

19:49

are you shaving your head? I got way

19:51

too many, like, social things.

19:54

So no, at the moment, no, I'm not. But I'm with

19:56

you. I have a bet with you. there

20:00

at Bischoff and somebody's probably... What's the bet? Uh,

20:03

you, you don't want to talk about it on the air. Okay.

20:07

So you're shaving your head? No he's

20:09

shaving his head. Why? We

20:12

made a bet and he's going to lose. How

20:14

will he lose? How's anybody going to

20:17

know if he actually loses if he will share it on the

20:19

air? Well we're going to... You

20:23

don't want to talk about it right now. We're recording. Oh.

20:26

You and Eric

20:28

are recording. Uh, okay Bruce.

20:30

We're going to... No, no. You

20:33

want to talk about AW right now? No. Okay.

20:36

So let's talk about it a little later maybe. Okay.

20:38

Uh, but there is a bet. I'm just, I'm

20:41

trying to be helpful to you here. Like you don't

20:43

want to talk about this on the show. Okay. Listen

20:45

to me. Here's the reason that I even brought

20:48

it up. Okay. I am

20:50

in the way that the sunlight is hitting your

20:52

head. Oh. Oh, you

20:54

turn and look I'm going, is

20:57

he bald? That's what

20:59

people were talking about. Now I see it. Now I

21:01

see it, but it's not as fluffy as it usually

21:03

is. But yeah, see when

21:05

the sun hits it over there, then it kind

21:07

of looks like, oh my God, Conrad's bald. Well,

21:10

listen, I might be, uh, if I lose and,

21:12

uh, I think somebody's probably getting their head shaven,

21:14

uh, here, uh, a top

21:17

guy weekend at the end of June. I had to

21:19

get it. They're not getting it shaven. That's not a

21:21

word. Okay. Shaved.

21:25

Yeah. Yeah. Kings English proper

21:27

grammar. Come on. That's

21:29

I listen, I'm not going to get up here. I'm not going to

21:32

sit here and be fucking berated

21:34

by somebody who dressed like a goddamn tele

21:36

tubby this morning. Who's that? You.

21:39

That's the

21:41

tell it to me. I mean, you're wearing a laffy

21:43

taffy shirt sitting here and talking about what may or

21:45

may not happen with my hair. And I

21:47

look good. I at least wake up and take a

21:49

goddamn bath. You heathen. At least I look good. I

21:52

still look good with a hat on. I

21:54

want to see what's underneath that.

21:58

Maybe it should be shaven. So

22:01

talk to me a little bit about

22:03

these these wonderful vignettes. Yeah, Billy mankind

22:08

Who was it? Oh My

22:11

god, who wasn't called somebody hillbilly boy. Oh, yeah

22:15

Who's J. R. So they call them hillbilly

22:17

boy. He I swear to god. He was

22:19

hot six weeks Over

22:21

hillbilly boy over hillbilly boy. I think

22:23

Austin called him hillbilly boy when Steve

22:25

turned heel and and

22:28

J. R. Thought somebody fed that line

22:30

to Austin and He

22:33

was Bullshit for I

22:35

don't know. I think the 12 years

22:37

something like that He

22:39

was bullshit. It was funny because it

22:41

was 100% Steve

22:43

Adlin. I have really boy Yeah

22:48

Wow next time when you know

22:50

hillbilly, you know, you go. Hey, hey Billy

22:52

boy. I Don't

22:55

think I'm gonna do that. Well, I live in

22:58

Alabama. Yeah. Well, that would be like, you know No

23:04

No, yeah, I don't

23:06

think I have any any kin in

23:09

Oklahoma a man named

23:12

Jim pour about near barely kept the

23:15

same the fed then one day We're

23:17

gonna go with barbecue sauce Well,

23:20

that's a good one, too. Okay, so they

23:22

loaded up the truck in the headed tons

23:24

Phil Yeah

23:31

movie star podcast are cement pawns

23:35

I Thought

23:39

you were gonna go with barbecue sauce Well,

23:42

that's a good one, too So they loaded up the

23:44

truck in the headed tons Phil Mansions

23:48

what's wrong with you? Oh, yeah,

23:50

the goddamn big old fucking counter

23:53

Addison mansion They said they

23:55

could say they could he said he could see it what

23:57

when he got out of the fog of Tulsa He

24:01

could see the mansion on the mountain. Way

24:04

up there. You weighed as a... Hey,

24:06

he'll be my cousin! Argh! Shh!

24:12

Shh! Shh! Shh!

24:15

Shh! You know, we

24:17

don't have to talk about WrestleMania 12. We can just see the brief picture

24:19

of one man's show today. I'm fine with that.

24:22

I ain't scared. I know. I'm just saying.

24:24

I'm just saying. It's just, hey,

24:26

hey, how you doing, boys? Got there. I

24:30

still want to see the king on the

24:32

way. Come on

24:34

out of there. Jerry Lawland, king.

24:40

Ninety-eight years old. Still resting. Still

24:42

resting. I dropped that strap. Sometimes, nowadays, it

24:44

seems it's hard to get the strap up

24:47

over the shoulder. Hey, man, shout out

24:49

to the king, man. He's busting

24:51

his ass, getting better, and, you

24:53

know, having a rough row of it

24:55

right now. But if anybody could ever kick

24:57

out, it's the king. Dude, he

24:59

does it over and over and over. I

25:01

expect nothing different here. He does. He

25:05

will outlive all of us. Roll

25:08

tide on that. Hopefully, George

25:10

the Rat could have suffered

25:13

the same fate and outlived all of us. We know

25:15

he did not. We

25:17

learned that on the Jim Cornette episode of

25:19

Something to Wrestle over at somethingtowrestle.com. It's a

25:21

brief. It's a mankind vignette. It's a press

25:23

maker for the rat. I had to make him breathe.

25:25

It's a little rat could breathe.

25:30

Yeah. Yeah. Wake

25:34

me up again at 5.30 in the morning

25:36

and let me give me some time to get some shit done and then

25:38

get on here and do this. Know that

25:41

I have to go in like a little while because

25:43

I got other business things to do. But

25:46

I must bathe and apply lotion to my skin

25:48

so that I have silky-sewn skin and smell

25:50

good. You picked the time. This

25:53

was your pick. Yeah.

25:56

Alright. Phineas

25:58

Godwin debuted... between

26:01

Royal Rumble and WrestleMania? Who's

26:04

the eye Godwin? Big.

26:08

What was the I stand for?

26:10

Ernie. Okay. Who

26:13

brought Dennis Knight in?

26:15

Who was a big

26:18

fan? I don't know. We

26:20

saw him somewhere and

26:22

everybody liked, everybody likes sex

26:25

man. Gotcha. So

26:27

make him a pig. Make him a Godwin

26:30

by Godwin. He looks like a Godwin brother

26:32

for God's sakes. Another guy

26:34

who's going to be debuting in this era,

26:36

Justin Bradshaw, debuts on Superstar. Who? Justin

26:40

Hawk Bradshaw. Oh,

26:42

that was that Stan Hanson

26:44

wannabe guy, right? It is.

26:47

Nobody probably had it on their

26:49

bingo card. That dude would become a Hall of Famer, but

26:51

he did. I did. I

26:54

called him in Germany. He was working for Otto Vons. He

26:58

said, man, Stan Hanson rip off. He's

27:00

gonna, he's gonna make it. Yeah.

27:02

No, I love this work. I'm probably

27:04

big strapping young guy. Great

27:06

attitude and working for

27:09

auto over there. They made appointments

27:11

to be at the phone

27:14

booth a certain time because they

27:16

had no phone. The

27:19

trailers over there that where they live, it was

27:22

a big Hippodrome thing where they

27:24

wrestled in the same arena.

27:26

Like every night, they

27:29

all lived in the trailers back in the back. And

27:31

he had to go to a pay

27:33

phone to get your call in order to make a call. So,

27:38

yep. Good guy. The

27:41

billionaire Ted skits are going to debut.

27:44

Boy, did they? We haven't spent

27:46

a lot of time talking about that. I know we have

27:48

way too much time. What'd

27:52

you think of them hated them? I

27:57

hated them. I hate bringing attention to them. I just think.

28:00

I think that any

28:04

publicity is good publicity. And

28:06

it was telling people, oh, hey. But

28:08

the one thing that it did was

28:11

it let me know for sure that Razor

28:13

was not gonna do

28:16

a new deal and he was going to Turner,

28:18

same thing with Diesel. Because

28:22

they refused to do them. Oh, I

28:24

see. Okay. So Scott Hall

28:26

and Kevin Nash refused to participate in the

28:28

billionaire Ted Skid's. Right.

28:32

Okay. And this was before they told

28:34

us what 100% they were leaving. Do

28:36

you remember what the creative was that you pitched

28:38

them that they passed on? Just

28:41

putting over WWE and doing

28:45

the WCW and that kind

28:47

of stuff. It was not the major,

28:49

but it was something that they didn't

28:51

want to do. And

28:54

they just said straight up, we're not gonna do

28:56

it. Yeah. Wow. In

29:01

your house, number six is the pay-per-view

29:04

between the rumble and mania. The

29:06

highlights are going to include Razor Ramon beating

29:08

the one, two, three kid in a diaper

29:10

match. Shawn Michaels is going

29:12

to pin Owen Hart in a great match. And

29:14

Brett Hart would beat Diesel in a steel cage

29:17

after the Undertaker would interfere. And

29:20

that show is kind of the beginning of the end

29:22

for Razor and Diesel. We've covered it in the archives,

29:24

but leaving the arena that night,

29:27

both Scott Hall and Kevin Nash have sort of

29:29

made up their mind that they're going to be

29:31

going to WCW. And Scott

29:34

Hall is almost immediately suspended for a

29:36

failed drug test. And

29:38

Kevin Nash is unhappy. That Vince McMahon agrees

29:40

with Brett Hart on the finish of the

29:42

cage match. And he's not gonna get

29:44

to hit the power bomb. What

29:47

was your personal relationship with these

29:49

guys? Like, are you

29:51

trying to talk them

29:54

into something or is it like, hey, you

29:56

want to go, go? I

29:59

wish I would have stayed. My person wasn't, you

30:01

know, talked to my, I'm not going

30:03

to say I had a great relationship with them. I

30:05

don't think I had a bad relationship with them, but

30:09

that was between them and Vince at that point. Uh,

30:14

the plan, as we mentioned, was a

30:16

supposedly going to be razor and gold

30:19

dust in a Miami alley fight. But

30:21

the plan has changed after razor suspension. And

30:23

then of course he gives notice to go

30:26

to WCW and hypers put

30:28

in his place. Was the original

30:30

plan had he stuck around? Would razor have

30:33

beat gold dust to win the air continental title

30:35

back? I mean, that feels like the

30:37

proper way to pay that off. Was that the original plan?

30:41

The original plan was to do a

30:43

Hollywood street fight, uh,

30:46

in Hollywood, probably the same thing as the

30:48

backlot brawl, very similar just

30:51

with razor. Instead, we started

30:53

it off in, um, Bangor,

30:57

Maine. And

31:00

shot the, we

31:03

shot the angle there with

31:06

razor and gold, uh, seven

31:08

snow, and that

31:10

was a fun night. That's

31:16

the whole story. That was a fun night. That was

31:18

a fun night. A lot of

31:20

good, a lot of disgruntleds around. And

31:22

I, the, the best part was is,

31:24

uh, so Vince,

31:28

my self, Michael

31:31

Hayes, and I want to say

31:33

one other person, maybe someone from the studio, also

31:37

to bang or we took Barry to

31:39

Denski's grand cheat,

31:42

Jeep Cherokee and

31:46

all on the way, real bad snow. We

31:48

wanted, Vince and I were looking at getting

31:51

grand Cherokee. We never actually driven

31:53

one before. So Barry offered his

31:55

up for us to take in

31:57

the snow to bang or. And we did. Along

32:01

the way Michael Hayes was driving

32:06

sometimes, Michael was really wanting

32:08

to play his tape of

32:10

songs, original songs,

32:13

written and sung. We

32:16

love that. He had put them on and had

32:18

them mixed and had them on a cassette tape

32:22

and kept trying to, hey, I got something we can listen

32:24

to. Y'all want to listen to this? It

32:27

was not an OE for good. Don't

32:29

need any radio right now. Finally,

32:32

I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, hey,

32:34

come on, Vince, come on. Let's

32:36

listen. Put it in.

32:38

He's got the dude on here, man. Around

32:41

the world. And

32:46

played it. Vince

32:49

Whitely listens. Like,

32:53

okay. I heard it. No,

32:56

not well. It's side B. Well,

33:00

let's turn it over. See,

33:03

you had to physically take the

33:06

media apparatus out of the

33:08

tape machine, flip it over and put it

33:10

in. It was that

33:12

old where it didn't just continually play. Later

33:14

on, you could get to where they would

33:17

continually play. And

33:20

do this. And Vince

33:22

was like, goddamn, I've got to go to the bathroom. We stopped

33:25

to go to the bathroom. And

33:28

lo and behold, the damnedest thing

33:30

happened. We

33:32

all got out to go to the

33:34

bathroom to go in and get stuff to drink or whatever

33:36

it is you needed to do. When we

33:38

got back in the Jeep, that

33:43

tape had disappeared. Oh, fuck. I

33:45

know, right? That's so disappointing.

33:48

We haven't even heard side B yet.

33:53

Did you ever get to hear it, Bruce? Well,

33:57

as we were pulling out, realized...

34:00

Oh my God. Do you

34:03

have the tape? I don't have tape. Do you have to? No, I

34:05

don't have the tape. Lost tape.

34:07

Sorry, Michael. I'll reimburse you. Well, that's okay. I

34:09

got like six more of them right here. Then

34:15

we thought that maybe the tape machine

34:18

liked it so much and it wanted to suck

34:20

it into the car and never ever be

34:23

able to be heard outside the car. So

34:25

that particular

34:27

vehicle could enjoy that.

34:32

Do do do do do do do do

34:34

do do do do do do do. Do

34:37

do nasty and hot. Do

34:39

do do do do do do do do

34:41

do do do. So

34:44

I speak to do. Dude, you

34:46

crushed that. Yeah, I'm full. Um.

34:54

Talk to me about, we've touched

34:56

on it before a little bit. Uh, the

34:59

rumor and innuendo is that Scott Hall was not thrilled

35:01

to be working with the Goldust character. That's

35:04

right. Do

35:06

you, I mean, how much of him leaving do you

35:08

think that played a part? I

35:11

think Scott had already made up his mind, but he still was

35:13

not thrilled about working

35:15

with Goldust. I don't think he liked

35:17

the gimmick and didn't want

35:19

to do it. Okay.

35:25

But you'd have to ask him for his reason that

35:27

that that's the reasons that he gave us. So

35:31

there's, you know, he he wants

35:33

some more money. He wants a guaranteed deal. He

35:36

wanted the opportunity to work in Japan. Didn't

35:38

want to work with Dustin or

35:40

this character, not Dustin. Maybe it

35:43

does feel as if we're

35:45

just sort of mounting the reasons. Do you think at

35:47

some point he just he was

35:50

trying to sell himself on. This is the right call and

35:52

why it's the right call to leave. Yeah,

35:54

I think he was looking for excuses and looking

35:56

for reasons to point to. That's

36:00

all speculation. I just think that he had

36:03

made up his mind and was ready to go. Much

36:06

easier schedule on the

36:08

other side. So,

36:10

you know, man, that's an alluring factor.

36:12

So, yeah,

36:14

I think he was already sipping

36:17

Pina Colada's with the little umbrella

36:20

in him and shit in Atlanta. Listen,

36:24

lots of moving parts. Vader is in

36:26

Bradshaw is in Mick Foley is in

36:28

Scott Hall is out. Piper is back.

36:31

And now the ultimate warrior is back. He's

36:34

scheduled to face Hunter Hearst Helmsley at

36:36

WrestleMania. We've covered the warrior in the

36:39

archives. But do you

36:41

remember there being, I mean, this is not curtain

36:44

call punishment. Do you

36:46

remember that? I mean, that hasn't even happened yet. Do

36:49

you remember Triple H having

36:51

any objection to what

36:54

he was asked to do here for the warrior? I

36:58

think, no, actually, it

37:00

wasn't. But I think

37:02

he knew what he was being asked

37:04

to do. He was well aware of what his place

37:06

was and what he needed to do in this situation.

37:09

The in

37:16

hindsight, maybe not the best call. Neither

37:19

were these skits though. These billionaire Ted

37:21

skits. Meltzer would say

37:23

the Huxter, Nacho Man billionaire Ted skit

37:25

slash match will be on the pregame

37:27

show, which pretty much removes

37:29

the legal threats from that skit by

37:32

using the likenesses of Hulk Hogan, Ted

37:34

Turner, and Randy Savage, all owned or

37:36

controlled by WCW as part of

37:39

an endeavor in which the public pays for it, which

37:41

pay-per-view falls into. But a free

37:43

show doesn't. They would open themselves up

37:46

for a potential legal action down the road.

37:49

Did you just think, man, the sooner we get this

37:51

out of Vince's system, the better? I mean, who's in

37:53

his ear telling him this is a good idea? I

37:55

don't think there's anybody in his ear. I think that

37:57

that's just something that he wanted to do. It's

38:00

simple as that. The

38:03

more that you would tell them

38:05

no, the more they dig in. I

38:08

see. Well,

38:12

let's, I mean,

38:14

do you remember that being an issue? The

38:16

threat of, hey, we can't put these characters on

38:18

pay-per-view. That might be a legal issue. Let's put

38:20

it on the pre-show. Is that the strategy? I

38:23

mean, nobody finds that strategy as much as

38:25

it was. If you put

38:28

that on the WrestleMania itself, that

38:30

would make it the worst WrestleMania

38:32

in the history of God's green

38:34

earth. So you could do something

38:37

prior to if people wanted to watch that. But

38:39

I think people would have been disgusted if that

38:41

had been a part of the

38:44

actual WrestleMania itself. Let's

38:48

talk about Raw on February 19. Steve

38:52

Austin's personality, he's going to be on the show,

38:54

and Vince McMahon is going to refer

38:56

to Steve Austin's personality as

38:58

being stone cold. And

39:01

he drops the ringmaster gimmick just a week later.

39:05

It's interesting to see how that

39:07

all begins really right before WrestleMania

39:09

12. Do you remember having

39:12

any discussions about, hey,

39:14

we're going to give this guy, as you like to say, a fresh

39:17

paint of coat, no

39:19

more ringmaster? We're going to try this cold

39:21

thing? If you go back

39:23

and listen, there were hints

39:25

dropped all along the way, whether it

39:28

was JR talking about it or Vince

39:30

talking about it or Michael Hayes. It

39:33

was a slow evolution to

39:35

become stone cold. And

39:38

once we got to that point, you drop

39:40

the ringmaster altogether and he's stone

39:42

cold Steve Austin. But that

39:45

had been going on for a while, just

39:48

very subtle. We

39:50

know that stone cold Steve

39:52

Austin is going to become synonymous with

39:54

flipping dudes off and talking

39:56

about kicking people's ass.

40:00

edgier presentation that we've seen

40:02

before. Uh,

40:04

but before Austin's doing it in

40:06

between the rumble and WrestleMania, diesel is

40:08

doing it. He's going on TV and

40:11

flipping people off and saying he's going to kick

40:13

the undertaker seven foot ass and this

40:16

is pretty aggressive for the product at the

40:18

time. Is this something that

40:20

diesel discusses? I mean, is this a

40:22

creative decision or is this him just

40:26

100% dense? Okay.

40:29

You know, just do this one thing, you know, you only

40:31

do it one time and that's

40:33

it. So

40:37

just something to be a little edgier and be a little different.

40:40

Right. Let's

40:43

talk a little bit about, uh, uh,

40:45

Mark Henry, he's going to debut on a

40:47

March edition of a Monday night raw. Uh,

40:50

who would have been, I mean, we've, we've heard

40:52

a lot about Jerry

40:55

Brisco scouting guys like this and

40:57

certainly Jim Ross was

41:00

Mark Henry, a pet project of anybody

41:02

in particular. I mean, what was the, who

41:04

was the, the, the, the, the driving

41:06

force behind signing Mark? Law

41:10

before Jerry was scouting anybody in law before

41:12

Jr was doing any of that shit, that

41:14

was 100% Vince

41:17

through Mark's manager, who was

41:19

Terry Todd. Terry was the

41:22

strength and conditioning coach at

41:24

the university of Texas. Terry was a

41:27

strong man and trained

41:30

Mark since Mark was a kid. Um,

41:34

Terry had done the piece, you know,

41:36

for those historians, it was a great

41:39

piece done in sports illustrated many years

41:41

ago with Andre the

41:43

giant and Terry Todd. Is

41:47

who did that piece? Terry was

41:49

a writer, but, um, just,

41:52

uh, a

41:54

wonderful guy tremendous.

41:57

He was, he was a coach. He was, he was coach

41:59

and he was. more like a father to Mark

42:02

Henry and Terry brought

42:05

Mark to Vince and said, Hey,

42:07

you got to see this guy. He is the

42:09

world's strongest man. He's going to the Olympics and

42:12

big wrestling fan. And as

42:14

a motivator, we'd love to be able to tell

42:17

him that once

42:19

you compete at the Olympics, once you, you know,

42:22

finish this, you have a

42:24

career in WWE. So

42:27

that was, that

42:29

was it. You know, we, we had

42:31

Mark and Akama Albright were our first

42:34

two real students at

42:36

the production facility

42:39

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42:41

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for by NHTSA. Is

44:39

that what we would see on TV is

44:41

tough enough originally called tracks? It's got a

44:43

different facility. Okay. This is a TV

44:45

studio in the warehouse. There's a rain in

44:47

the middle of the warehouse. Well that

44:50

was it. Well

44:52

let's talk about the

44:54

build for the main event here. Roddy Piper

44:56

is going to announce that it's Brett Hart

44:58

versus Shawn Michaels. Of course we know Shawn has

45:01

won the Royal Rumble so he's punched his ticket.

45:04

He's gonna have his shot to achieve his

45:06

boyhood dream and get a world title shot

45:08

at WrestleMania in the main event against Brett

45:10

Hart. But Piper announces

45:13

it's an Iron Man match. With

45:15

the concept being they're gonna go 60 minutes

45:17

and the person who wins the most falls

45:19

wins the WWF World title. I'm

45:22

sure Pat Patterson is loving this.

45:24

Do you remember whose idea originally it was

45:26

to do an Iron Man match? Yes

45:29

Pat Patterson. Pat wasn't even working there at the

45:31

time. But

45:34

it was Pat Patterson's match. He had talked about

45:36

it for a long time. We

45:38

had this idea of the

45:40

finish. Knew that

45:43

Brett and Shawn could pull it off. They

45:46

did. But gosh

45:50

man we pitched

45:53

this like maybe

45:55

October or November. Then

45:59

Pat was gone and, but

46:01

he did come back for that one match. He

46:03

came back to the WrestleMania, come

46:06

to my wedding and also the WrestleMania. It's

46:10

a, it's one of the more iconic

46:12

WrestleMania main events, although not my

46:14

favorite. I see people talk

46:17

about it all the time on social

46:19

media and the buildup is something that

46:21

Brett has always sort of taken issue

46:23

with, he would contend that. You

46:26

know, the way this was built, he's the

46:29

quote unquote old guy. As he's running in

46:31

Calgary in the sweatsuit and rolling

46:33

around, getting stretched by his dad's two heart in

46:35

the dungeon. Meanwhile, the video

46:37

sort of show Shawn Michaels being

46:39

young and athletic. I

46:42

mean, I, I didn't see it that way. I

46:44

could see how maybe he took it personally, or

46:46

I could try to see that. But

46:48

as, as a fan watching at the time,

46:50

or certainly right after WrestleMania, when I saw

46:52

this, I felt like,

46:54

you know, this was a Rocky

46:56

style montage for both guys. You

46:59

know, we would see Rocky Balboa training and then

47:01

we would see Ivan Drago training, I

47:03

wouldn't say that one was better. They were just different.

47:05

Let's say you. Agree.

47:09

It was different. It was the D is

47:11

different is the talent were their

47:14

training techniques were very different. So

47:17

you wanted to compare and contrast, um,

47:20

Sean, more fundamental, more

47:22

traditional. Going back to

47:24

his roots, going back to his family, going

47:27

back to Calgary. In the way that

47:29

he was brought up. Sean, it

47:31

was the same thing that we're shooting

47:33

Sean in a dingy warehouse where he

47:35

learned to work. Um,

47:39

I didn't look at it as old

47:41

guy versus new guy. They were practically,

47:43

uh, same age. Even

47:45

though they're not, I think Brett's few

47:48

years older than Sean is, but

47:52

there was no old guy or young guy. I

47:54

think they were viewed equals. I

47:58

mean, that's kind of the way I saw. I didn't,

48:01

I didn't see it as one was superior to another.

48:03

Uh, and, and I think Brett Hart's you

48:06

start the fire music video in

48:08

this era is one of

48:10

the best that the company did who deserves credit for

48:12

that. Me. Oh,

48:14

really? I guess. Okay.

48:16

She just going to take it either way. Yeah. I

48:19

like that. Well, no, when I say that

48:22

it was, it was my idea

48:24

to do the dueling videos and

48:26

to do the training montages and

48:30

Vince and I

48:32

went and did

48:34

Sean's and Santa and tone. One

48:37

point while we were down there doing the, uh,

48:42

gosh, we

48:44

were, we were doing a press conference of some

48:47

kind in San Antonio and we were down

48:49

there. Then we had TV that week. So we

48:51

stayed and we shot plenty of the

48:54

vignette material for these. Okay.

48:59

That is well thought out to me as

49:01

a start out is a Hogan Savage. Just

49:04

a little different. It is different. Uh,

49:07

Jose Lothario introduced as Sean Michaels

49:10

manager. Why did you guys think

49:13

that Sean needed Jose and did Sean

49:15

think he needed Jose? Wanted

49:18

Sean to be real.

49:21

Wanted Sean to have the

49:23

guy that brought him into

49:25

this business. Be

49:27

the one that is going to take him to

49:29

the championship. Jose brought

49:31

Sean into the business. Sean went out on

49:33

his own became very successful, but could never

49:35

win the big one. Could not

49:37

get to the championship. And

49:40

the feeling was free. Jose in

49:42

is the one missing piece that

49:45

Sean needed to complete that circle

49:48

and win the championship. Jose,

49:50

you know, did mean something.

49:53

It was, you

49:55

know, still our Hispanic audience

49:58

and that demo Jose. would

50:00

resonate Jose would mean

50:02

something and it gave Sean

50:04

a more human feel to

50:07

him versus being the heartbreak

50:09

kid. Now he's also a serious

50:11

competitor. Uh,

50:15

we would see Mark Mero and

50:17

eventually Sable sign with the company.

50:19

How do you remember those negotiations

50:21

going down? Of course, you've

50:23

seen a lot of your talent starting

50:25

to move towards Atlanta, whether

50:28

it's the main genes or the Bobby

50:30

Hienans or certainly the whole Cogins and

50:32

Randy savages. And most recently Scott halls

50:34

and Kevin Nash's, but now you've got

50:37

the Johnny B bad character. Well,

50:39

actually it can't be that character,

50:41

but the guy who portrayed the

50:43

character he's coming up. What do you remember about

50:45

how all that went down? I

50:47

remember being a big fan of

50:50

Johnny B bad and thinking, wow,

50:52

this guy's got charisma out the

50:54

ass. Just incredible. Wasn't

50:56

the greatest worker. Didn't care about

50:58

that, but Johnny B bad

51:00

could come out, get the audience on

51:03

their feet, get them involved in the

51:05

match and just you

51:07

enjoyed watching it and look

51:09

like a star. I

51:11

had met him at a Natby

51:14

convention, the national association and

51:16

television programmers. Uh,

51:20

not the biggest guy in the world, but man, he had

51:22

us just as presence.

51:24

Yeah. That, that charisma man.

51:27

And bringing them

51:30

up to meet with us.

51:32

All of a sudden you, you, you

51:34

talk to him and

51:37

it's, wow. The

51:40

guy who was

51:43

in the junior high prom. That's now trying

51:47

to have a

51:50

decent part in a Broadway show. And

51:53

you start realizing, Oh man, I think this was the

51:56

gimmick. It was so good. gimmick

52:00

made him not vice versa. But

52:04

we tried, you know, very personable. You

52:07

know, God, Mark is so damn

52:09

personable. Just a genuine

52:12

good dude, too. Yeah, he's a

52:14

real good dude. I think

52:17

he genuinely, you know, he genuinely cares

52:19

for people. And

52:21

it's not phony. It's just,

52:24

he's just Mark. That

52:28

just isn't always enough. Hakushi

52:31

is going to finish up around this time

52:33

as well. He had

52:35

an incredible look at

52:37

some cool music and

52:40

a couple of good matches, but it felt

52:42

like he never really clicked in the company.

52:44

What could we have changed about his presentation?

52:46

Do you think that would have made

52:48

a difference? Or is it just timing or something else?

52:51

If he could speak to the audience and be

52:53

able to communicate with him, I think that would

52:55

have made a huge difference. But

52:58

Hakushi did not really make an effort

53:00

to learn how

53:03

to speak English. And

53:06

just coming out and doing that presentation

53:08

is one thing. But

53:11

it was hard to connect because no one knew what

53:13

he was about who he was or why he was.

53:17

And that's just communication, lack

53:19

thereof. I

53:23

think Gen Zashin Zaki, the guy behind the character,

53:26

enjoyed a lot of success over in Japan. And

53:28

it was such a cool look. I can't help

53:30

but wonder in hindsight, do you think if we

53:32

had a stronger mouthpiece for

53:34

him that that could have worked? Probably,

53:38

yes. All right,

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55:01

the final run up to the WrestleMania show

55:03

here, the company's going to sell out Madison

55:05

Square Garden for the first time since WrestleMania

55:07

10. But this isn't

55:10

a pay-per-view. This is a house show. And

55:13

it's the first one that's been sold out since the

55:15

mid 80s. So this has

55:17

got to be a vote of confidence. What

55:20

does it is Bret Hart teaming

55:22

with the undertaker to take on Shawn Michaels,

55:24

a diesel on top. This

55:26

has to be encouraging. I mean, what

55:28

was the old thing we've heard people say that Vince

55:30

would say, you know, the garden,

55:32

I mean, obviously it sort of was

55:35

a barometer for his family for

55:37

a long time, how business is going to

55:39

go. And if it works here,

55:41

it'll work in other markets and all that sort of

55:44

thing. So to see this show sell out the first

55:46

sell out for a house show since the mid 80s,

55:48

that's a big deal. Yeah,

55:50

it was really good. Definitely

55:52

really good. And you know,

55:54

business wasn't bad during this time. It

55:56

was even keel. We

56:00

had our ups and downs, that's for damn sure.

56:03

But it was kind

56:05

of on an even keel at this point. The

56:10

guidance, the guidance. Yeah,

56:14

you talked last week about,

56:16

or a few weeks ago, about all the drama

56:19

going into WrestleMania and how

56:22

you really gotta keep building it. Did

56:24

you think that,

56:27

I mean, just the, there's

56:31

so many moving parts when you rattle off

56:33

what all we've talked about so far, Piper

56:35

and warrior are back, Paul and Nash are

56:38

out, Mero's coming in,

56:40

Hakushi's finishing up, here comes Foley.

56:43

We're evolving the stone cold character. I

56:45

mean, it feels like there's so many moving

56:47

parts just between Royal

56:50

Rumble and WrestleMania. And

56:52

oh, by the way, you're trying to put on the biggest

56:54

show that you guys do every

56:56

year. And get married. And get married.

57:02

Is it just sort of blinking you miss it because it

57:04

feels like you're working, you gotta be working 18 hour days

57:06

here. God, yes,

57:08

it was nonstop. Absolutely

57:10

nonstop. You have monkey

57:13

wrenches being thrown into the middle of it,

57:17

which we'll get to in a little bit.

57:19

You have people getting hurt and injured and

57:21

pre tape matches. That they've now,

57:23

oh shit, we gotta finish this live

57:25

in the building. There's

57:28

just so much going on in

57:30

a wedding. So WrestleMania

57:34

two TVs in a wedding can

57:36

make a movie. It

57:39

is crazy when you think about that you did all

57:41

of that at the exact same time. Well,

57:44

let's talk about the show, man. We're finally

57:46

here. The observer readers are

57:48

gonna give it 68.7% thumbs up, 24.8%

57:52

thumbs down, 6.4% thumbs in the middle. I

57:57

thought it was a thumbs up show. you

58:00

think thumbs up? I thought it was a good show. It

58:03

was, you know, it was a pretty

58:05

cool atmosphere in Anaheim. It

58:07

felt, it felt like a big show and

58:09

the audience was into it. Everything around it.

58:11

There was, there was a lot of buzz,

58:14

especially in market, but also

58:17

around the world. People,

58:20

people felt the change in the air. I

58:23

feel like we should also mention that this WrestleMania

58:25

is going to be special for more than one

58:27

reason. Um, your

58:30

brother gets to

58:32

debut with the company in

58:34

1995, but

58:37

this is his first WrestleMania. And

58:40

make no mistake, WrestleMania was

58:42

the big show then now

58:44

forever. He's going to be teaming up with

58:46

Chris Candido. Of course they are the body Donnas along

58:48

with Sonny and they win the tag titles and

58:51

a tournament final over the Godwins. They go

58:53

five minutes and 28 seconds. Sonny's

58:55

going to lift up her skirt, give a

58:57

little painty shot to distract Finneas. And,

59:00

uh, that'll ask Skip to come from behind and

59:02

get the school boy win. But

59:04

here your brother is at his first WrestleMania

59:08

winning the tag title. That's

59:10

gotta be a big deal, man, for the whole fam, right?

59:13

I think he's pretty excited. Yeah. You

59:16

know, it's a, it's a big

59:18

deal. I don't care who you are. It's a, that's

59:21

a big deal to be able to

59:23

accomplish that and do it on the grandest stage of

59:25

them all. Uh,

59:29

we also see before the actual show

59:31

starts, not just that tag match, but

59:33

the nacho man, the huckster and billionaire

59:35

Ted and Meltzer would say the skit

59:37

died within seconds. The

59:39

air a tape segment. That's bullshit. That's bullshit.

59:42

It was that skit was never alive. I

59:45

love you. There's nothing, there was nothing to die. It

59:47

was, it was dead on arrival. Um,

59:53

there's a big guy in a black robe

59:55

who comes in with FTC on his outfit.

59:57

Ted Turner turns around sees him. He has

59:59

a heart attack. and is left for dead.

1:00:01

The segment is awful. Who wrote this?

1:00:03

Is this all events? Just hamming it

1:00:06

up, having fun. Oh

1:00:11

no, you didn't write it, did you? No,

1:00:14

I produced it though. No

1:00:17

one wrote it. Clearly.

1:00:21

No one wrote it. It was do this,

1:00:23

do this, do that, do this, do this.

1:00:26

Okay. I

1:00:28

did it. And that was it. That

1:00:30

was it. We

1:00:33

had to have, we

1:00:35

had to have a different huckster because the

1:00:37

other huckster was unable to do the dates

1:00:40

or something like that. We had

1:00:42

a different nacho man, I think. Yeah,

1:00:47

it was horrible. It's horrible.

1:00:50

Horrible. The

1:00:56

shits, the

1:00:59

drizzling shits. Wow. We

1:01:02

fire Cheetos shits.

1:01:04

Oh, the Flamin' Hot Cheetos shits. Yeah.

1:01:07

Okay. Yeah. Pretty bad. So listen, let's

1:01:11

start the show. We got Vader and

1:01:13

Owen and Davey boy in

1:01:15

a six man here against

1:01:17

Jake Roberts, Ahmed Johnson and Yoko

1:01:19

Zuna. This really feels kind

1:01:21

of thrown together. I know

1:01:26

Owen and Davey are going to be a more

1:01:28

permanent tag team. Vader just being thrown

1:01:30

in the mix here. And I

1:01:33

wonder, I mean, was this the original plan?

1:01:35

This couldn't have been the original plan like

1:01:37

Jake, Ahmed and Yoko Zuna. What a random

1:01:40

group of folks here. Main

1:01:42

event anywhere in Southern California. I'm

1:01:45

not arguing that it's not big names and

1:01:47

big talent, but I just wonder, is this

1:01:50

an effort to, hey, well, these are all big stars.

1:01:52

Let's all find a way to get them a WrestleMania

1:01:54

payday and get them on the show. Yeah, I

1:01:56

guess so. It was just, let's

1:01:59

get them on the show. show somehow. Yeah.

1:02:04

Well, we did it and the match isn't bad. It

1:02:06

gets two and a half stars. They got 12 minutes and 51

1:02:09

seconds. You know, once upon

1:02:11

a time, it wasn't that long ago. Yokozuna

1:02:13

was in the main event to these sorts

1:02:15

of things and that is not the case

1:02:17

here. Ahmed Johnson had enjoyed quite a bit of

1:02:20

momentum and now it just feels like

1:02:23

he's sort of forgotten. I wonder if

1:02:26

you didn't have so much talent moving, you

1:02:28

know, here and there and y'all and these

1:02:32

guys have been in different

1:02:34

storylines. Why weren't they a priority? I guess

1:02:36

is what I'm looking for. Well,

1:02:38

again, you only have so much room

1:02:40

at the top. Not everybody can

1:02:43

be at the top and if

1:02:45

you're not drawing and you're not 100% the

1:02:49

top draw man, it's you

1:02:52

just don't stay at the top. You

1:02:54

got to move around. That's just fact of life. We've

1:02:58

talked a little bit before on our

1:03:00

Piper and our Goldust episodes about the

1:03:02

Hollywood Backlot Brawl. As I understand it,

1:03:05

the majority of this was taped the

1:03:07

day before. Oh God, no,

1:03:09

we did this like a week before.

1:03:11

Okay, so talk to us about how

1:03:13

this happens because as I understand, I think

1:03:16

the original plan maybe was a

1:03:19

we're gonna we're gonna do it old-school

1:03:21

and get some color on you and do it

1:03:23

a hard way and people are

1:03:26

getting hurt for real and hitting each other with

1:03:28

cars and and we've got to

1:03:30

account for the weather because we're trying to sell it as

1:03:32

if you know we know what the weather

1:03:34

is gonna be like. So I think you guys wet the scene

1:03:36

down. Just catch me up on what

1:03:38

you recall about the old Backlot Brawl. Well,

1:03:43

you get there in a rainstorm and so it

1:03:45

was all wet. Didn't

1:03:48

know what the weather was going to be like. You know,

1:03:51

the day of WrestleMania. So

1:03:54

we went down the street like hey I'm ready

1:03:56

for him. I'm wetting everything down so he'll be

1:03:58

slippery when he gets here. here, just

1:04:01

taking care of some of those things.

1:04:04

But nobody

1:04:06

want nobody wanted to get

1:04:09

blood because you have

1:04:12

a week or four days or whatever the hell

1:04:14

it was. But it was

1:04:17

a lot wasn't definitely

1:04:19

was not the day

1:04:21

before. It's gonna be all dried up.

1:04:23

It's gonna look like shit. Maybe then what you want

1:04:25

to open them up again. For the

1:04:28

live that's unrealistic. And whoever had

1:04:31

that rumor and that

1:04:33

note would be incorrect.

1:04:37

Unless, you know, Piper and

1:04:39

Goldust just talked about it. Oh, hey, wouldn't it

1:04:41

be great if we did this? But

1:04:44

we did talk about it and said, Well, we did

1:04:46

not want and we did not want that. Unfortunately,

1:04:49

didn't happen that way. Because we did get

1:04:51

blood and they didn't get bloodied. And it

1:04:54

was like, well, shit, now we got to deal

1:04:56

with it. It

1:05:00

was crazy, man. It was crazy. You know,

1:05:02

we talked about Larry Burton. The

1:05:05

other day, part of the Memphis lawsuit

1:05:07

and all that Larry Burton also helped

1:05:09

us get the

1:05:11

backlot brawl with some folks with

1:05:14

Mitch Ackerman from Disney

1:05:16

helped out. We

1:05:18

did it. Paramount

1:05:21

maybe I don't even remember where we did

1:05:23

it. Universal Paramount wherever

1:05:25

the hell we were. We

1:05:29

went in we had a sound

1:05:31

stage and then we had the

1:05:33

alleyway in between the sound stages that

1:05:36

we could use. Looked

1:05:40

around, had

1:05:42

a couple camera and hey, I can use a camera up

1:05:44

there. I can use camera here. So what if you walk

1:05:48

over here went overhead a bagel and

1:05:52

shits on and shits

1:05:54

on that's

1:05:56

kind of how we how we did it. I

1:05:58

think that they were all waiting. for us to

1:06:00

lay out, you know, scene one,

1:06:03

you know, shoot that

1:06:05

10 times. Scene two,

1:06:08

take a bite of the bagel and

1:06:10

shoot that 42 times. You

1:06:13

want one with cream cheese, you want one

1:06:15

with honey, you want one little jam, maybe

1:06:17

just a little butter. How about you eat

1:06:19

just plain and dry? Well,

1:06:22

goddamn, there's some locks right there. I'm gonna put

1:06:24

me some books and locks and little onion

1:06:27

on top, some capers and shit. No.

1:06:31

So how we doing, man?

1:06:33

It's real. And went

1:06:36

through all I mean,

1:06:38

literally went all the way through it.

1:06:40

And one take all the way out

1:06:42

into the alley.

1:06:46

And it was on. And they just

1:06:48

did it. We didn't stop them. But

1:06:50

you know, Piper's

1:06:52

nuts. As it is,

1:06:55

Roddy wanted gold dust to charge

1:06:57

him with the car and hit him with the car. felt

1:07:00

you know, he could take the bump over the top

1:07:02

and onto the windshield and all that good stuff. But

1:07:05

the I think the biggest thing that I

1:07:08

remember that day is as

1:07:10

they came out of the alleyway

1:07:13

and they turned right, you were

1:07:15

in the studios.

1:07:17

So people have offices and everything

1:07:19

all over there. And they all

1:07:22

reserve parking. And we might

1:07:25

have clipped a

1:07:27

vehicle or to making

1:07:30

that corner. This after

1:07:32

people like, Oh, what the hell are they doing?

1:07:34

They're making so much noise. And

1:07:36

by God, they better not drive down

1:07:38

this road. We

1:07:42

might have accidentally driven down that road. Oh.

1:07:46

And so we got her all done. Come

1:07:48

to find out Piper broken

1:07:51

his arm broken his wrist broken

1:07:54

his knuckles on

1:07:56

gold dust head. had

1:08:00

to go in and get Piper's arms

1:08:02

splinted and set. What

1:08:07

happened to Goldust? I think Goldust got a concussion.

1:08:10

It was ugly. It was just bad.

1:08:14

Then you have to recreate that

1:08:16

when you get back

1:08:18

into Anaheim. So

1:08:20

the idea was that Goldust

1:08:23

would take off, and then Roddy would jump

1:08:26

in just a random vehicle and

1:08:28

chase behind him and chase him all the

1:08:30

way to Anaheim. We

1:08:34

got some helicopters, and we were able to follow it.

1:08:39

The white Bronco, of course, this is

1:08:41

an OJ reference. That's the only hold-up

1:08:44

on this show from the OJ reference.

1:08:46

It was the only car that was

1:08:48

there. It was available, and so

1:08:50

Roddy jumped in it. Sure. Listen,

1:08:55

there's something here in the observer I want to ask about. The

1:09:00

way the scene was shot and replayed,

1:09:03

it appeared that running over the segment

1:09:05

was actually done by a stuntman dressed

1:09:07

to look like Piper. Was

1:09:10

that a stuntman taking the car bump? 100%,

1:09:13

no. That just,

1:09:15

again, shows how idiotic,

1:09:18

uninformed, stupid, and

1:09:21

lying that Dave Nelson is. More

1:09:25

uninformed and ignorant. Of

1:09:29

course, we don't see a conclusion of

1:09:31

the match, but we do start another

1:09:33

match. It's going to be Steve Austin

1:09:35

and Savio Vega. Austin gets

1:09:37

the win 10 minutes and 8 seconds. It's

1:09:41

a two-star match. Meltzer would

1:09:43

say the work itself was good in spots and

1:09:45

slightly off in others. Both

1:09:47

guys worked hard, but there was no heat,

1:09:49

and the finish died live. Could

1:09:53

you see? Listen, we all think

1:09:55

the world of Savio Vega. What a big pop he

1:09:58

got in Puerto Rico. Really glad he got here. his

1:10:00

moment in the sun there, but

1:10:02

could you see where this new

1:10:05

paint of coat in Austin was really going to

1:10:07

work already at this point? I

1:10:09

don't think it was going to hurt. I don't

1:10:11

know that anyone expected it to get as big as

1:10:14

it did. Right. But

1:10:16

I think you can also go

1:10:18

back and look and never

1:10:21

be able to find a bad Sabio Vega,

1:10:23

Steve Austin match. No. And

1:10:25

great chemistry and God, they worked their asses

1:10:28

off no matter where they were on

1:10:30

the car and to me, this was no exception.

1:10:33

I've even, I think I've seen or heard

1:10:36

Austin give a lot of credit for Sabio

1:10:38

Vega for helping get him comfortable

1:10:40

and get him up and going here. In

1:10:43

the WWE gives him a lot of credit for

1:10:45

some of his early success and just the

1:10:48

ability to launch into what's

1:10:50

coming. And it's

1:10:52

funny too, because you've seen

1:10:54

like Goldust when he

1:10:56

was trying to, when Dustin Rhodes is trying to

1:10:58

figure that character out, he gives a

1:11:00

lot of credit to Savio for the little things like,

1:11:03

Hey, what if we tried this and what if you did this

1:11:05

and then I did that Savio

1:11:07

is maybe one of the

1:11:09

more underrated, underrated, underappreciated

1:11:12

and really, I think the word I was

1:11:14

trying to get to was giving. I

1:11:17

mean, a lot of times guys we hear

1:11:19

about, Hey, here's what I want to do.

1:11:21

As opposed to, Hey man, why

1:11:23

don't you try this? It feels like Savio

1:11:25

was doing that for both Dustin and Stone

1:11:27

Cold. No. All the time. He

1:11:29

did it for everyone. Yeah. You

1:11:32

know, Savio would look, Savio would look at

1:11:34

the story overall and make sure everybody, everybody

1:11:36

was taken care of. Next

1:11:40

up, a big moment for the

1:11:42

WWF. You know, they had enjoyed a lot

1:11:44

of success once upon a time and they're

1:11:46

looking for, uh, some of

1:11:48

that return to glory. So here he

1:11:50

comes the 39 year old ultimate warrior

1:11:53

pending Hunter Hearst, honestly, in a minute and 38 seconds.

1:11:57

All it takes is three clothes lines of shoulder box.

1:12:00

a press and a splash and that's it. And

1:12:03

Meltzer would say Warrior got by far the biggest

1:12:05

reaction on the show when he came out but

1:12:08

it was amazing to see how quiet the crowd

1:12:10

got after the ring intro. But

1:12:12

since Hemsley did the pedigree right away and Warrior

1:12:14

didn't sell it and they went right to the

1:12:16

finish the crowd picked right back up. Helbig

1:12:18

was a little smaller than at his peak but he's also

1:12:21

39 years old and he was quite a bit larger and

1:12:23

more cut than when he returned last

1:12:26

time. He gets a dud here he's

1:12:28

gonna squash a heel though he's just kind of

1:12:30

getting up and going just totally

1:12:32

shits on the finish of the

1:12:34

pedigree. But the reaction

1:12:36

man if there was any doubt

1:12:38

about whether or not this was a good call

1:12:40

or the right call you got to be encouraged

1:12:42

when you hear the fans respond like they do.

1:12:45

But as a friend of the show once said then

1:12:49

the bell rang. What do you

1:12:51

remember about this? Well

1:12:59

it sucked I mean the match itself

1:13:01

sucked it was awful. I think

1:13:04

it would have meant a lot

1:13:06

more for Warrior to have a

1:13:08

bit of a match to

1:13:13

versus what he did because I think that in

1:13:15

some ways people were happy to see the greatest

1:13:17

hits of the ultimate

1:13:19

warrior or the greatest hit. Yes.

1:13:23

The ultimate warrior but

1:13:27

obviously didn't do Hunter any any good

1:13:30

in this and and it just was

1:13:33

just wasn't good just wasn't

1:13:35

good. Warrior was difficult to deal with

1:13:37

all day long and as soon

1:13:40

as Vince went out to do play-by-play he became

1:13:42

even more difficult to deal with and at

1:13:45

that point we all agree get the match in

1:13:47

the ring and do what you got to do

1:13:50

and that's what we did and hats off to

1:13:53

the hunter who you know did it

1:13:55

hats off to Jerry Brisco having to

1:13:57

deal with it all day long and

1:14:00

And that's

1:14:03

where we were, man. It was not, to

1:14:06

me, it was kind of

1:14:08

the, here's

1:14:10

what we have, and here's what we're going to have. It

1:14:12

isn't, he's on

1:14:14

his best behavior today. Can

1:14:19

only go downhill from there. And

1:14:21

it did. Can you tell

1:14:23

us, you know, when you said it got worse when

1:14:26

Vince, when I don't commentary, I understand what you mean.

1:14:28

He was on his best behavior for Vince, but then

1:14:30

it sounds like he

1:14:32

were implying when Vince went out and got on the

1:14:34

headsets, Warrior became an

1:14:36

asshole? Well,

1:14:39

he pretty much always stayed an

1:14:41

asshole. No, at that point then,

1:14:43

then he changed the match. No,

1:14:46

I'm not going to do all that stuff that we talked about.

1:14:48

This one was it. Wow.

1:14:53

Not a good experience at all. Is

1:14:56

anybody able to communicate that to Vince on the

1:14:58

headset, or is it better just leave it alone

1:15:01

and we'll just handle it and Vince has, you

1:15:03

know, other things I hand right now? I

1:15:05

informed him of it in between matches. You

1:15:09

know, we don't have commercial breaks, so you

1:15:11

have packages or back stages or whatever. I've

1:15:13

got a few seconds to talk to him.

1:15:15

He just said, Bruce, get it done. So

1:15:17

I got it done. Well,

1:15:21

listen, the fans were excited to see him back,

1:15:23

and I was amongst them. I

1:15:25

mean, when I heard the ultimate warrior was coming

1:15:27

back, I was interested in the

1:15:30

bell rang. In a segment

1:15:32

that doesn't air for the live audience, they're doing

1:15:35

an interview to introduce the wild man, Mark Mero,

1:15:37

here on Paperview. He's going to

1:15:39

do a heel interview with Helmsley

1:15:41

coming out, and the two start arguing

1:15:43

and fighting. Helmsley then blames

1:15:45

the fight on the woman who they

1:15:47

called Sable that accompanied to the ring.

1:15:51

This is really a glimpse into the future, man. I

1:15:53

mean, Sable and Hunter are going to be two of

1:15:56

your biggest stars just a couple years after this. I

1:15:59

don't know that anybody would have necessarily called back here.

1:16:01

I think a lot of

1:16:03

people hoped and thought it was going to be

1:16:05

Mark Mero. You want to give us

1:16:07

that Mark Mero impression again? That was good stuff. Ah,

1:16:16

so the

1:16:19

wild man. So that's what I

1:16:21

did on that shit. He's a wild

1:16:23

man. Mark Mero. He's doing like a

1:16:25

Tarzan gimmick of sorts though. But

1:16:28

not really. I don't know what the fuck

1:16:30

he was like. Batman on acid. He

1:16:34

was not Batman. Well,

1:16:37

I assumed the Batman dance kind of

1:16:39

thing. We're going to get the

1:16:42

big dudes in here next Undertaker and Diesel.

1:16:44

It's a really long match. I thought it

1:16:46

was maybe too long 16 minutes and 46

1:16:49

seconds. Meltzer would say the match

1:16:51

was slow moving and didn't have much heat, but

1:16:53

it was better than you'd expect considering who was

1:16:55

involved. Diesel basically pounded

1:16:57

Undertaker for most of the match. And

1:17:00

finally, he used his jack knife and

1:17:02

smirked forever allowing Undertaker to sit up.

1:17:04

He did it again. And when he went for the pin

1:17:06

Undertaker grabbed him by the throat. Diesel

1:17:08

uses a back suplex Undertaker sits up

1:17:11

again. And an Undertaker

1:17:13

finishes Diesel off with a nice flying clothesline,

1:17:15

a choke slam and a tombstone. And the

1:17:18

closing scene is pretty iconic. You

1:17:20

see Diesel laid out in the middle of

1:17:22

the ring. And

1:17:25

it always

1:17:27

made me wonder like this

1:17:31

is a fun what if if Diesel

1:17:33

doesn't give notice and

1:17:35

he's not leaving. Kevin

1:17:38

Nash is not going to WCW. He's sticking

1:17:40

around. He

1:17:42

wind up beating the Undertaker here. Does that

1:17:44

end the streak before whatever really becomes a

1:17:46

thing? No. Okay.

1:17:51

No, he would not have. Okay. Yeah, I didn't think it was a good

1:17:53

match. I think that Kev

1:17:57

was not

1:18:00

in a good place this time. And

1:18:04

just didn't want to be there ready to be done.

1:18:06

Yeah. Yeah. And I think got an

1:18:08

undertaker in a bad place. And we

1:18:10

ended up with what we ended up with. So

1:18:13

it rubbed off on him. And then the undertaker

1:18:15

was upset. Or what do we, what do you

1:18:17

mean when you say go? Yeah, I just think

1:18:19

that it just, you know, the attitude and the

1:18:21

negativity went over around

1:18:24

everyone that he touched. I got you. It

1:18:26

just brought a cloud over the match and the play. I

1:18:29

got you. Was there ever any

1:18:31

concern that Kevin wouldn't do business on the way

1:18:33

out? I

1:18:35

don't think so. You know, I don't think

1:18:38

Kevin could be difficult to deal with at

1:18:40

times. But I don't think Kevin would

1:18:42

ever say, no,

1:18:45

I'm not. I'm not going to do that with

1:18:47

a guy like undertaker. What

1:18:50

did undertaker think about two

1:18:53

staples in Razor Ramon and

1:18:55

Diesel leaving? You ever having a

1:18:57

conversation with him in this era about how he took

1:18:59

that? Sure. I mean, taker didn't

1:19:01

like it. Take a wish they would have stayed.

1:19:07

But then again, with Mark, Mark had

1:19:09

been there longer. And Mark is loyal.

1:19:12

So he wasn't looking

1:19:15

to go anywhere, felt dents done right

1:19:17

by him, and didn't

1:19:19

want to leave. I

1:19:21

don't know that he really understood it. No,

1:19:24

I do know he understood it. I was going to

1:19:26

say, I don't know if he really understood what

1:19:29

got him to that point maybe

1:19:32

is the right question. What

1:19:35

do you mean? What

1:19:39

got Razor and Diesel to the point of saying,

1:19:41

no, I'm gone. We're out of here. No

1:19:43

matter what you throw at me, I'm gone. I

1:19:50

think Mark kind of felt, as a lot

1:19:52

of us did, that everything can be worked out.

1:19:55

Right. Do

1:19:58

you believe in that, though? Listen,

1:20:01

I understand and I, and I like the idea of,

1:20:03

you know, let's say an NFL

1:20:05

player, he starts his career with his tent with a

1:20:07

team and he finishes with that team and he goes

1:20:09

into the hall of fame wearing that team's Jersey. I

1:20:11

get that. I like that. But

1:20:14

are you of the mindset mentality that every

1:20:16

now and again, people just

1:20:18

need to change the scenery, be

1:20:21

better, might not be worse. It just needs to

1:20:23

be different. Do you think that's where they were?

1:20:25

They needed something different. I

1:20:29

don't think that's where they were, but I do believe in that. Yeah.

1:20:33

I think they were in it for

1:20:35

an easier schedule and more money. Nothing

1:20:38

wrong with her. And there's, there isn't anything wrong with it.

1:20:40

I'm not knocking it at all. Yeah. Tax

1:20:46

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during the show, we continually see

1:21:43

scenes of this, uh, OJ

1:21:46

chase. I'm

1:21:48

sorry. I'm sorry. Roddy Piper's white

1:21:50

Ford Bronco. Yeah. Yeah. It's

1:21:53

going down. Golda one. And we

1:21:56

had a helicopter that Was

1:21:58

able to shoot all that. Thank.

1:22:03

God. Was.

1:22:07

It a little too can be enhanced. I. Know

1:22:10

it was absolutely spot on. The

1:22:16

can't because Wrestlemania Hollywood

1:22:19

please occur. To.

1:22:22

Stay because the same thing been used

1:22:24

a million different hours of other people.

1:22:26

Current. Was campy. Was.

1:22:30

To campy. I.

1:22:33

Was asking if this was nice. I know, I

1:22:35

thrive. Told us pulls up at

1:22:37

the arena he's here to pick up. Marlena is

1:22:40

going above and a Pat Patterson. I

1:22:42

hope most folks thought was that was the company

1:22:44

but a that leaseback for this weekend As you

1:22:46

say again for the wedding. Now they're

1:22:49

going to continue the fight in

1:22:51

the arena. And were

1:22:53

of is a gold us get the advantage

1:22:55

he starts kissing piper. Fibers.

1:22:57

Eventually gonna grab gold, us crotch and

1:22:59

star squeezing. Is gonna throw in

1:23:01

aid of a growing of start spanking him in

1:23:03

any reps the cost him off and we reveal

1:23:06

that. Gold. Last, as wearing.

1:23:08

A bunch of stuff from our

1:23:11

projects. A Hollywood underneath. From.

1:23:13

Take a deal those cause I. Ya

1:23:20

give me some kids are say that centers and

1:23:22

look at me. I.

1:23:24

Said he got it from Jj Dylan's

1:23:27

cause it he never seen Jj Dylan

1:23:29

were gardeners. Now

1:23:32

all I. Thought.

1:23:34

You were rough and okay. Go

1:23:38

this route as work together from friends are for Hollywood

1:23:40

so where's the jays? I do come from. His

1:23:43

shhh used to do whatever they rip

1:23:45

his clothes off and she'll always be

1:23:47

wear women's underwear. Oh yeah okay back

1:23:49

in the they i thought you meant

1:23:51

with. A might

1:23:53

was says even here at that moment. I

1:23:55

mean. Ah, I'm still

1:23:57

there. yeah a little while

1:23:59

longer Eventually, Piper

1:24:01

gets the win. Marlena's going to

1:24:03

run away trying to help Goldust

1:24:05

cover up and Piper

1:24:08

gets to celebrate with his son, Colton, in the

1:24:10

ring. It was, Melter

1:24:13

called it really good and had

1:24:15

great heat. And I'm sure it meant a

1:24:17

lot to Piper to have his son there. Was

1:24:20

this, did this feel like a celebration and

1:24:22

a reunion? I mean, just having Piper back,

1:24:24

I mean, he's at

1:24:26

that time, one of the pillars of this

1:24:29

thing that built it. And, you

1:24:31

know, he had been away and back and

1:24:33

forth. But a big WrestleMania

1:24:35

moment with his son, that's a feel good deal,

1:24:37

Mel. Very. And

1:24:39

for me, I was, it was

1:24:44

a happy moment for me because I love

1:24:47

Roddy Piper. And I was

1:24:49

glad that he was able to

1:24:52

have another WrestleMania moment. And

1:24:54

I was glad that we could accommodate and have Colton

1:24:56

come out and be there with his dad. That

1:24:59

was very important to Roddy as well. And I was like, that's

1:25:02

not even a discussion. Of course you can't. So

1:25:05

it was cool for me to have Roddy back

1:25:07

in the company and it was cool to give

1:25:10

him that moment. I thought that was

1:25:12

a special thing that took place. All

1:25:14

right. Let's

1:25:17

talk about the main event. I have

1:25:19

gone on record, Bruce, as saying, I think

1:25:23

the Iron Man stipulation sucks. I

1:25:26

love Bret Hart. I love Shawn Michaels. No doubt

1:25:28

to the best. I thought that all should suck.

1:25:33

So what I like about wrestling a lot

1:25:36

of times, Bruce, maybe the same thing I

1:25:38

like about MMA is

1:25:40

I feel like I can get on the edge of my seat

1:25:42

about it could end at any time. And

1:25:46

you know, you could win or lose the match just

1:25:49

like that. That's

1:25:51

not the case with an Iron Man. And

1:25:53

I find myself watching

1:25:55

an Iron Man, much like I would like regular

1:25:57

season basketball. Let me just see the last few

1:25:59

minutes. I don't have to watch the rest of

1:26:01

it. Now that's not to say I

1:26:03

don't enjoy wrestling, but I just feel like

1:26:05

there's no stakes and I feel like it's going to be more

1:26:07

predictable. Sometimes in a basketball game, the

1:26:10

last few minutes, there's going to be a blowout. That's almost

1:26:12

never the case with an Ironman. It's not like we're going

1:26:14

to get down to the last two minutes and one

1:26:16

guy's up five to zero. That's not going

1:26:18

to happen. That's a terrible. It

1:26:21

could probably never

1:26:23

has. Do

1:26:26

you think the, where are you

1:26:28

on the Ironman stipulation? I

1:26:31

like the Ironman. I like wrestling. Yeah.

1:26:35

So I

1:26:37

enjoy watching

1:26:39

a good story be told over

1:26:43

and out and

1:26:45

being able to work the body part, being

1:26:48

able to work on something that, you

1:26:50

know, maybe catch a fall here, maybe get

1:26:52

up two falls and then another guy comes

1:26:54

back and what have you or be

1:26:56

up two falls in the last two minutes and

1:27:00

the other guy has to scramble. I

1:27:02

just enjoy a

1:27:05

well told story inside

1:27:08

of the 60 minute Ironman match.

1:27:13

And the story that was

1:27:15

told that I think is

1:27:17

lost on people sometimes is

1:27:20

Brett's story was one of,

1:27:24

he can't beat me in 60 minutes

1:27:29

and Brett incorrectly

1:27:33

feeling as the champion, I

1:27:35

don't have to beat him in 60 minutes. So

1:27:40

Brett is simply

1:27:44

holding on to his championship, making

1:27:46

sure Sean, you've got to beat

1:27:48

me. I don't have to beat

1:27:50

you. You

1:27:54

get to the end of the 60 minutes. No

1:27:59

he didn't. beat Brett. Brett,

1:28:03

bye-bye, I'm done, you

1:28:05

didn't beat me. Roll

1:28:07

them on soon, no, there must be a winner and

1:28:09

we're gonna do sudden death. Then

1:28:11

Sean beats him. It

1:28:15

was to me a beautifully

1:28:17

told story. One

1:28:19

that was simple for everyone to understand.

1:28:23

You got a lot of ups and downs

1:28:25

in it throughout the entire match and

1:28:29

two great,

1:28:31

two of the greatest of

1:28:34

all time in

1:28:36

that ring, you know, doing

1:28:39

it. So yeah, I thought they did a great job.

1:28:44

It is a, I mean

1:28:46

listen, two of the best

1:28:48

wrestlers of all time and

1:28:51

let's just start with the

1:28:54

entrance of the thing. Sean

1:28:56

Michaels ziplines down from the top of

1:28:59

the building and it's

1:29:01

become a pretty legendary story.

1:29:03

The narrative has always been out there.

1:29:05

Vince won't ask his performers to do anything.

1:29:07

He's not willing to do himself and

1:29:10

I think there's even footage out there I've seen of Vince

1:29:13

doing this zipline stunt the night before.

1:29:15

What do you remember of that? Well,

1:29:18

we went up there to do it and it

1:29:21

was a day of. Went

1:29:24

in and Vince got

1:29:26

in the harness, did everything and just

1:29:28

jumped off. What

1:29:31

no one took into

1:29:34

account was the way that the lighting trust was

1:29:37

and where the zipline

1:29:40

was and Vince was headed right straight

1:29:42

for the lighting trust. Thank

1:29:44

God he saw it and got his legs out in

1:29:46

front of him and was able to kick off but

1:29:48

it was a, it was

1:29:51

a pretty scary thing and Sean and I

1:29:53

looked at each other and I was, I

1:29:55

wanted to go next. Sean

1:29:59

and I love you. He says, ah, you can go. You

1:30:01

can do it. Cause

1:30:05

I mean, you were up

1:30:07

there and completely safe,

1:30:10

but it's just, I'm afraid of

1:30:12

heights anyway. I

1:30:14

wanted to do it for my fear of heights to kind

1:30:16

of, I do

1:30:18

stupid shit like that sometimes, but

1:30:22

it was, yeah, it was pretty cool. Now we knew what they

1:30:24

did it with the, they did it with the ducks where they

1:30:26

would have like somebody deliver a

1:30:28

puck during the game to

1:30:30

come down on the zip line

1:30:32

and all that shit. So we wanted

1:30:34

to utilize that. Someone asked us if we wanted to

1:30:37

do it. Thought it'd be cool for Sean

1:30:39

to do. Why take

1:30:41

one vacation with the family when you could take

1:30:43

all of them with Royal Caribbean, you don't

1:30:45

just go to the beach. You visit a

1:30:47

private Island and race down the tallest water

1:30:49

slide in North America. You

1:30:51

don't just go for a road trip. You

1:30:54

ATV and zip line through the jungle.

1:30:57

You don't just go somewhere new.

1:30:59

You repel down waterfalls and discover

1:31:01

ancient temples because this isn't just

1:31:03

any vacation. This is all the

1:31:05

vacations. Come seek the Royal

1:31:08

Caribbean. Ships are just straight behind us. It's

1:31:11

only a chick, a

1:31:15

jump, a block. It's

1:31:19

only a serve. It's only

1:31:21

a tackle. Oh,

1:31:24

it's only for the fan. After

1:31:26

all, it's only pressure. You

1:31:29

got this Adidas. Super

1:31:37

cool to do quite the entrance. Brett

1:31:39

had a more traditional entrance, not nearly

1:31:41

as elaborate. And Dave

1:31:44

would say heart didn't get as big of a

1:31:46

pop coming out as Michael's, but he didn't do

1:31:48

an elaborate entrance, but he received no booze coming

1:31:50

out. He says the first half

1:31:52

of the match was slow paced and very little

1:31:54

crowd noise. It wasn't as if

1:31:56

the crowd was intensely washing because people were

1:31:58

steadily leaving for the. concession stands,

1:32:01

but the execution on both sides was tremendous and

1:32:03

what they were doing. That

1:32:06

to me tells the story. Like I think

1:32:08

this Iron Man stiff is

1:32:10

a dud for a WrestleMania man. Yeah. I

1:32:13

know you disagree, but the

1:32:15

actual wrestling itself is unbelievable. Go out of

1:32:17

your way to watch it. I'm

1:32:19

sure that Pat Patterson was heavily involved in

1:32:21

putting this together as you understand. Hey,

1:32:32

loved it. So

1:32:34

as a reminder, time expires and

1:32:36

we're all tied up at zero.

1:32:39

No one has lost a pin yet. And

1:32:42

it's a drop kick off the top and

1:32:46

Brett catches him in a sharp shooter. Sean

1:32:49

does not submit, but the bell rings. Brett

1:32:52

gets up, grabs the belt, starts heading towards

1:32:54

the back and here comes a gorilla monsoon.

1:32:58

And he's going to say, we've got to

1:33:00

restart the match and do sudden death. And

1:33:02

you can see Brett mouthing why. And

1:33:05

there is almost

1:33:10

no reaction to

1:33:12

the restart of the match. And

1:33:15

usually when it's something where this

1:33:18

is done in the heel is thinking

1:33:20

they've got away with a win and the commissioner says,

1:33:22

no, we're going to restart the match. There's

1:33:24

a big pop because yay. Our baby face is

1:33:26

going to get another shot and you know, blah,

1:33:28

blah, blah. It doesn't work as

1:33:31

well here because they're both baby face guys.

1:33:34

And in the overtime, Sean hits not one,

1:33:36

but two super kicks in less than two

1:33:38

minutes. He gets the win. He's

1:33:41

going to nearly choke up in the

1:33:43

ring and, uh, in

1:33:47

the middle of the celebration, Sean is going to

1:33:49

kiss Helen heart and hug Brett's son blade.

1:33:52

Brett's going to walk out of the ring. And,

1:33:55

uh, of course the story

1:33:57

evolves from there about. what

1:34:00

was said and how

1:34:02

there were some hurt feelings. Do

1:34:06

you remember like when

1:34:08

you guys are talking about the way the

1:34:10

exit happens, Brett's going

1:34:12

to leave. Sean's going to celebrate. We

1:34:16

know that Brett's going to be taking some time off,

1:34:19

but what seeds were you trying to plant and

1:34:21

what was just real life between the guys? Brett's

1:34:26

ID. Brett

1:34:29

wanted to leave frustrated,

1:34:32

not speak to anybody, grab

1:34:34

his stuff and go to give the locker room

1:34:36

and anybody backstage,

1:34:39

it would have seen him, the perception. Wow.

1:34:41

Brett's really pissed off at this because

1:34:45

Brett was going to South Africa not to be heard

1:34:47

from for a while. And

1:34:49

then when he comes back, he'd get back into

1:34:52

the stuff with Sean and maybe he turns heel.

1:34:54

He being a Brett, but

1:35:00

that was Brett wanting to plant seeds at

1:35:02

that point in time. And

1:35:05

everybody else took it as a shoe and

1:35:07

everybody took it as old Brett's pissed off.

1:35:09

Brett was working. Right. Sean

1:35:12

knew, they all knew. But

1:35:14

I think the only ones that

1:35:17

really knew inside was Vince and

1:35:19

myself. We

1:35:26

we've talked a little bit about the

1:35:30

passing of the torch at WrestleMania

1:35:32

and six years prior to this, we

1:35:34

saw a baby face

1:35:36

versus a baby face with the ultimate

1:35:38

warrior and Hulk Hogan. And

1:35:41

now we've got the same thing,

1:35:43

baby face and baby face for the world title,

1:35:45

but with Brett and Sean, you

1:35:47

think in hindsight, this would have been, there

1:35:52

would have been more drama had there been more

1:35:54

falls. Had one of the guys been

1:35:56

a heel or did you

1:35:58

just think it was perfect? as it was. Well,

1:36:02

you're asking the guy who put it on, I thought

1:36:04

it was perfect the way it was. Right. Sure,

1:36:07

you could have had a heel and baby face and told

1:36:09

a different story and it would have been great. I

1:36:12

thought the story that we told was

1:36:14

great. Of two of

1:36:16

the absolute best in their

1:36:18

prime at that time, battling it out for

1:36:20

the top prize. I thought it

1:36:22

was excellent. I

1:36:25

just wonder if Sean would have come

1:36:27

in as the heel and granted it wouldn't have worked. But

1:36:31

I also wonder, is Brett leaving a necessary

1:36:33

part of the story? Like,

1:36:35

I think there's always going to be comparisons,

1:36:37

right? So like, when

1:36:40

we're trying to get Macho Man over after

1:36:42

WrestleMania four and he's the world champ, Hogan's

1:36:46

going to be gone doing the movie, but

1:36:49

it's almost like if he sticks around, okay,

1:36:52

yeah, yeah, we like Randy, he's the world champ,

1:36:54

but we're really here to see Hogan. Do

1:36:56

you think it's important to submit Sean

1:36:58

as the top guy and that can

1:37:00

only really become the case if

1:37:03

Brett goes away for a bit or

1:37:05

is that me overthinking it? I

1:37:08

think you're overthinking it, but it does help that

1:37:10

Brett went away. Yeah. On time

1:37:12

alone. Right. The

1:37:16

story that came out even years later on

1:37:19

the DVD with

1:37:22

Brett and Sean and they're talking about their history

1:37:25

is that Sean says to Earl

1:37:27

something along the lines of, tell

1:37:30

Brett to get the fuck out of the ring. Yeah.

1:37:35

Talk me through that. Cause you said, Brett

1:37:38

was working. This was Brett's

1:37:40

idea, but get the fuck out

1:37:42

of the ring. There were some hard feelings

1:37:44

about that. And one hard feeling, I disagree

1:37:46

with that. Okay. As

1:37:48

Brett said, he was upset about that? Yes. He

1:37:51

did. Yes. But now I

1:37:53

don't know if when he said that, he's trying to sell DVDs.

1:37:55

I don't know. Yeah. They

1:38:00

didn't. After the match, you

1:38:02

didn't feel like. You

1:38:04

feel like it was how fobs all around. these

1:38:06

guys are not was high fives breath. Walked out

1:38:08

of the building. And

1:38:11

Brett Gate let want to leave the

1:38:13

impression and everybody talking. Even on

1:38:15

a voice. A than the

1:38:18

boys aggressor. I.

1:38:20

Called him that night. Of

1:38:23

him being breath. He

1:38:25

was very pleased. With.

1:38:27

The Max Sean was very pleased with the

1:38:29

massive both happy as can be. I

1:38:32

was. Vince was events than. Lot.

1:38:36

And pounds ten pence home. Parent

1:38:39

Is it fair to say that

1:38:41

the Fed. Up

1:38:45

with the phone to stay. Up!

1:38:49

Ah ha. Ha!

1:38:52

Who was. Happier it was

1:38:54

over. You are Stephanie. Ah,

1:39:01

I'm. Probably

1:39:04

staff was happy to Chicago Vegas. I still

1:39:06

have he me to. So

1:39:10

the next day, of course you've got to be Monday

1:39:12

night raw. see us to Vegas and starts hanging out

1:39:14

What they did. You get married How many days after

1:39:16

us on Wednesday? Wednesday. There.

1:39:19

Who are who? I was In attendance

1:39:21

wrestling was oh gosh. So.

1:39:25

Dense pat. And

1:39:28

brother Tom. We. Flew over

1:39:30

from the San Diego. On.

1:39:33

Sunday morning and I mean on

1:39:35

Wednesday morning against was. Jim.

1:39:41

Ross is there a monsoon? Was

1:39:43

there our think all cornet. I've

1:39:49

been through so was there. that

1:39:55

say that's it from the

1:39:57

wrestling so things and

1:40:01

much friends from Houston. A

1:40:03

close friend from Houston. You

1:40:06

guys did some cool stuff in this era.

1:40:08

If you're going to cut up pieces of

1:40:10

the ring canvas and make that a collectible,

1:40:13

and it's one of the only times that we see the

1:40:16

show logo on the canvas like

1:40:18

that, you guys didn't do that very often. Why

1:40:20

not? Did you not like that look? Does Vince

1:40:22

not like that look? Nope. Nobody

1:40:25

like it. I like a clean canvas. Yeah. Looks

1:40:27

sturdy. I think Brett Hart said

1:40:30

it best, you know, all along is

1:40:32

that when, you know,

1:40:34

Brett considers himself an artist, and

1:40:38

one of his criticisms of WCW

1:40:40

was he felt he didn't like

1:40:42

the rings, and that's where you make your

1:40:44

art. The rings had

1:40:46

logos on it and all that. It should be

1:40:49

a blank canvas for him to paint on. A

1:40:51

blank canvas in the talent is

1:40:54

the picture. Talent's

1:40:56

what you pay attention to. So I like that clean look.

1:40:59

Always have. Michael

1:41:01

Brigitte wants to know,

1:41:04

how was the match laid out between Piper and Goldust,

1:41:06

and how would have been if Razor was in the

1:41:08

match? Would there have been a difference? We talked about

1:41:10

the actual match that we saw. Would

1:41:12

the match have looked pretty similar with Razor,

1:41:14

do you think, or different? I

1:41:18

mean, it would have been different just because

1:41:21

Razor ended up itself, different styles and everything

1:41:23

else. Right. But

1:41:25

we'll never know. We

1:41:28

will never know, and we'll never know what

1:41:30

we're gonna be doing next week here on Something to

1:41:32

Wrestle. I hope that we get to tape another

1:41:35

one very, very soon. I

1:41:37

think we have a little window of opportunity here. We're gonna try to

1:41:39

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1:41:42

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1:41:57

Bruce Prichard. That's me, Rock on. Everyday.

1:42:01

Were on the road. People around us

1:42:03

in themselves and others by using

1:42:05

their phones while driving. They. Think

1:42:08

they're hiding it, but we've all seen them

1:42:10

and know exactly who they are. For.

1:42:12

Instance, there's the snake, a taker who

1:42:14

darts their eyes between the road and

1:42:17

their tax. There's. Also the

1:42:19

gotta take it or looking upset

1:42:21

because I just got a ticket

1:42:23

for using their phone while driving.

1:42:25

And what about the fast scrollers?

1:42:27

To. Can't draw five minutes without updating

1:42:30

their social seats or the night

1:42:32

lighter. Who has that mysterious

1:42:34

glow illuminating inside of their car

1:42:36

after darts? Do any of these

1:42:38

sound familiar? If they reminds

1:42:41

you of yourself or someone you

1:42:43

know, rethink your behavior before you

1:42:45

find yourself, but Cumming's a fender

1:42:47

bender. The. Veering off the road,

1:42:49

or worst of all, The. Driver

1:42:51

who killed someone. Put

1:42:53

the phone away Or pay. Paid.

1:42:56

For Bonanza.