Richard, Giles and Paul are back for an examination of two Doctor Who stories that need to get to the penthouse suite. First we look at Seventh Doctor adventure Paradise Towers, before we discuss Ninth Doctor outing The Long Game. As ever, it's a wide-ranging chat that finds us in a surprisingly good mood and able to see both good and bad decisions made by both production teams.

So put on your Kang fright wig, your rezzie's shawl or your caretaker's peaked cap and order in a Kronkburger with cheese, as we examine the route to the top floor.

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The opening music is Three Guitars Mood 2 and, yes, that is Richard playing the ukulele and kazoo on possibly the worst ever version of the Doctor Who theme tune at the end.

The Sirens of Audio Podcast, which looks at Big Finish audio plays, can be found at https://www.sirensofaudio.com and the specific episode Richard was on is here: https://www.sirensofaudio.com/2020/06/neverland.html

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