Our guest for this episode is the brilliantly funny and beautifully honest Cat Sims, known on Instagram as @notsosmugnow. She tells us about the dark times that led to her decision to give up the booze entirely, and the lessons she’s learned along the way. 

We find out if she’s secretly judging Ellie’s attempts to cut down rather than cut it out. Stephanie shares her thoughts on labels and whether we need them, and Cat tells us what it’s like to go to AA meetings (the ones for people who drink too much, not the ones for people who need roadside assistance.)

Big thanks as always to our lovely sponsors (not in the AA sense) Remedy Kombucha. They make lovely refreshing cans of fizzy pop, full of antioxidants and organic acids, and no sugary nonsense. They taste like they’re made for grown-ups, especially the excellent Ginger Lemon flavour. You can get Remedy Kombucha from Morrisons, Tesco, Amazon, Ocado, Holland and Barrett, Starbucks, M&S and remedydrinks.com. #AD

Sort Your Sh*t Out is produced by Laura Grimshaw (@lorlyjane) and the music is by John Thorn. If you like this episode, we’d love you to subscribe, leave us a nice review, or follow us on social media - @sysopodcast on Instagram, @sysopod on Twitter, and @sysopod on Facebook. 

For more from Stephanie, including info on how to get in touch with her, visit womenwhodontdrink.com or follow her on instagram @womenwhodontdrink. You can hear more from Ellie on the Scummy Mummies podcast, and follow her on Twitter @elliegibson. Cheers! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices