What does a lasting spiritual partnership actually look like—behind closed doors? Tami Simon speaks with nico and devon hase—married Buddhist teachers and co-authors of the new Sounds True book This Messy, Gorgeous Love: A Buddhist Guide to Lasting Partnership—about why real intimacy requires the willingness to be a little volcanic, a lot forgiving, and always, beautifully finding your balance rather than holding it.

This conversation offers genuine transmission—not just concepts about awakening, but the palpable presence of realized teachers exploring the growing edge of spiritual understanding together. Originally aired on Sounds True One.

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