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2:07

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2:09

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2:15

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2:16

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2:18

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2:21

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2:23

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2:26

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2:28

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2:31

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2:35

Welcome to episode one sixty four.

2:38

the abduction and murder of Sydney Sutherland.

2:45

Alex

2:45

Nicholson was crazy about Sydney

2:48

Sutherland. She

2:49

was the love of his life.

2:51

They'd been together

2:52

for four years. since they were about

2:54

twenty years old and

2:55

lived together in Jackson County,

2:57

Arkansas with their dogs.

2:59

Sydney was Alex's dream girl.

3:02

Sweet, pretty, and always

3:04

thinking of others.

3:05

She was a successful nurse with her

3:07

whole life ahead of her. His

3:09

mother Amy also loved Sydney.

3:12

She described the two as a stunning

3:14

couple.

3:15

What more could Alex ask for?

3:18

According to the sun, Alex and Sydney

3:20

plan on getting married after they were

3:22

stable in their career paths.

3:25

Alex's mom Amy couldn't wait for

3:27

her beautiful grandbabies.

3:29

In

3:29

August of two thousand twenty, Sydney

3:32

said goodbye to Alex, as she headed

3:34

off the door for her daily run.

3:36

Even though she had just returned from a family

3:38

vacation to Florida late the night

3:40

before,

3:41

Cindy would not miss working out for anything.

3:44

Alex knew she had been to the gym that morning

3:46

already with her trainer, but

3:48

Cindy was a fitness junkie.

3:50

He wasn't surprised that she was still going

3:52

to go on her regular run too.

3:54

Wearing her favorite pink tennis shoes,

3:57

Sydney left around

3:57

two thirty PM. The run

3:59

never took her more than an hour or so.

4:02

So when five PM rolled around, Alex

4:05

was worried,

4:06

where was Sydney?

4:07

Francick,

4:08

he called her mother Maggie, but

4:10

she was also at a loss. Immediately,

4:13

Maggie went to the area where Sydney

4:15

always jogged.

4:17

She drove up and down the road but

4:19

couldn't

4:19

find her daughter.

4:20

After racking their brains for where Sydney

4:23

could be, they realized this

4:25

situation was dire. Sydney

4:28

was nowhere to be found. By

4:31

seven PM, Alex and

4:33

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4:35

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4:35

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Sydney Clare Sutherland was born on

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September eighteenth nineteen

6:37

ninety five. to parents Dion and

6:39

Maggie. She was raised in

6:41

Jackson County, Arkansas.

6:42

Jackson County is the dictionary

6:45

definition of the rural South.

6:46

The

6:48

landscape consists of rolling greenfields

6:50

that are almost entirely farmland.

6:53

Agriculture is the county's primary

6:55

economic trade. especially

6:57

rice, soybeans, beef

6:59

cattle, corn, and catfish. The

7:02

Jackson County website boasts that

7:04

they have the best hunting and fishing in the

7:06

state. It goes on to proudly

7:08

list celebrities who have visited

7:10

for the premier hunting experience. including

7:12

big names like Jimmy Carter and Arnold

7:15

Schwarznager. To understand

7:17

Jackson County, imagine a lot

7:19

of beautiful lush land but

7:21

not a lot of people. Only

7:23

seventeen thousand people live

7:25

in the six hundred and forty two square

7:27

mile county.

7:28

For comparison, eight million

7:30

people live in New York, which is

7:32

half that size. In Jackson

7:35

County, people knew their neighbors well.

7:37

They

7:37

went to the same school, the same

7:39

grocery store, the same church.

7:42

People left their keys

7:43

in their truck, and let their kids play

7:45

outside until sundown.

7:46

Hell, the threat of snakes or

7:49

feral hogs was far more pressing

7:51

than the threat of violent crime.

7:53

In a tight net farming community

7:56

like this, Everyone feels like

7:58

family.

7:59

No one was worried

7:59

that someone would hurt them or still

8:02

their belongings.

8:03

Jackson County residents had no reason to

8:05

fear each other. Not

8:06

yet anyway.

8:09

As

8:09

was usually the case in Jackson

8:11

County, Sydney grew up on her family's

8:13

farm. Her family was

8:15

very close and she was very much

8:17

an adorable little girl. The

8:19

only girl in her family

8:21

Sydney was doted on not only by her mother,

8:23

Maggie, but also by her two older

8:25

brothers, Tyler and Sam.

8:28

Maggie at explained that she and her

8:30

daughter considered each other best friends.

8:33

The family resemblance was incredibly

8:35

strong between the two. Sydney

8:37

looked strikingly similar to her mother.

8:39

And because of Sydney's spitfire

8:41

personality, her family

8:43

lovingly gave her the nickname Sassy.

8:46

Sydney was also what I guess she would

8:48

call a classically feminine young

8:50

woman. Her

8:51

favorite color was pink. She

8:52

loved shopping. and she was an avid

8:55

reader with long blonde hair, big

8:57

brown eyes, and a stunning

8:59

smile. Sydney

8:59

was beautiful. so

9:01

it wasn't just her favorite color that made her

9:04

stand out. Beyond

9:05

Sydney's good looks, she was a genuinely

9:08

good person. those

9:09

closest to her, described her

9:12

as outgoing, sweet, and

9:14

compassionate. She loved

9:15

her dogs and was especially close to

9:17

her brother Sam's daughters. her

9:19

two nieces.

9:20

Family members said the two

9:21

little girls were Sydney's whole world.

9:24

As a daughter, sister, and aunt,

9:27

Sydney was everything you could ask

9:29

for. Every aspect of

9:31

Sydney's life was part of her lifelong

9:33

passion for helping others. That's

9:35

why when Cindy graduated high school in two

9:37

thousand

9:37

fourteen, she

9:38

chose to pursue a career in nursing.

9:41

Cindy earned her licensed practical

9:43

nursing degree from the local two year

9:45

college, Arkansas State University,

9:48

Newport. She

9:48

worked as an LPN for the

9:51

Unity Health Harris Medical Center while

9:53

continuing her nursing education. And

9:55

by December two thousand nineteen, Sydney

9:58

had achieved her registered nurse

10:00

license. In

10:00

August of two thousand twenty, she

10:03

was promoted to an RN position

10:05

at Unity Hill. She was

10:07

living with her boyfriend Alex in a house

10:09

off of Highway eighteen. in the

10:11

same Jackson County where she grew up.

10:15

Sydney was an incredibly active woman

10:17

who was passionate about fitness.

10:19

In addition to having a trainer at the gym,

10:21

she loved to run and would run

10:23

the same route whenever she could.

10:25

She began at her house on

10:27

Highway eighteen. then headed down Jackson

10:29

County Road forty one for a few

10:31

miles, then retraced

10:32

her steps back home.

10:34

She

10:34

didn't do this run at the same time or

10:36

even on the same days. As a

10:38

nurse, Sydney's schedule was crazy, but

10:40

she did usually run this same route.

10:43

On Tuesday, August eighteenth

10:45

two thousand twenty, Twenty four year

10:47

old Sydney was traveling back to Arkansas

10:50

after a vacation with her family.

10:52

They'd gone to Destin, Florida for some

10:54

long awaited beach time. which was

10:56

Sydney's favorite vacation. Her

10:59

mother, Maggie, said the trip was great

11:01

and that everything went perfectly. They

11:03

all returned home late the night before.

11:05

The next day, Wednesday,

11:08

August nineteenth, Sydney worked

11:10

out with her trainer but still wanted to go for

11:12

a run later that afternoon, like she

11:14

always did. Her family

11:16

thought she was crazy to do so much,

11:18

encouraging her to rest. Sitting

11:22

went by her mother Maggie's house around

11:24

one PM. While there,

11:26

she got her mother's mail for her and then

11:28

returned to her own house. Maggie

11:30

later said that Sydney told her she was going to

11:32

bake some brownies or cookies.

11:34

And as she left, Maggie said, I

11:36

love you. I'll talk to you later. and

11:38

Cindy responded, I love you too.

11:41

Sometime between two thirty and

11:43

three PM, Cindy headed out for her

11:45

daily run. despite her family's

11:47

misgivings.

11:48

Sydney was a disciplined woman and like

11:51

many runners, she was addicted to

11:53

the endorphins. She would probably

11:55

feel weird not to run since she did it

11:57

every day. Sydney

11:58

dogged alone, taking the

12:00

same route she always took.

12:02

on

12:02

the familiar backcountry roads of

12:05

Arkansas farmland and her community.

12:07

A UPS

12:08

driver spotted her heading south

12:10

on

12:10

Jackson County Road forty one just north

12:13

of the

12:13

US Highway sixty seven Overpass.

12:15

From

12:16

that information, we can tell Sydney

12:19

was homebound. with only one and a half

12:21

miles to go, but

12:22

she would never make it there.

12:24

When

12:25

Sydney hadn't returned from her run

12:27

by five PM, her boyfriend Alex became

12:30

worried.

12:30

Where was she? She

12:32

always took the same route without

12:34

fail. There was no

12:36

reason for her to be out later than suspected.

12:39

Alex called Sydney's cell phone repeatedly

12:41

but kept getting her voice mail. He

12:43

called her mom Maggie to see if she

12:45

knew what was going on. Maggie

12:48

had no clue why Sydney hadn't

12:49

returned home from a run. At

12:51

around seven PM, two hours

12:54

after Alex expected Sydney

12:56

home, Sydney's

12:56

family reported

12:57

her missing to the Jackson County Sheriff's

12:59

Office. The urgent search for

13:01

Sydney

13:01

began immediately.

13:04

Post about Sydney's disappearance flooded

13:06

social media.

13:07

Hundreds of people liked, commented,

13:10

and shared the posts. to show support

13:12

and help gather information. That

13:14

same day, over one hundred and fifty

13:16

people assembled to search the area surrounding

13:19

Sydney's known

13:19

jogging route. Everyone in

13:22

the

13:22

community knew Sydney, and most

13:24

of them had seen her grow up. They

13:26

jumped

13:26

at the opportunity to help the Sutherland

13:28

find her. Keep in

13:31

mind, Sydney's jogging route wasn't

13:33

a nice paved sidewalk in a

13:35

residential neighborhood. This was

13:37

rural land. made up of wide open

13:39

spaces covered in Neha grass. Even

13:41

though there were one hundred and fifty people in

13:43

the initial search party, they still

13:46

had a lot of terrain to cover.

13:48

Sydney's brother Sam participated in

13:50

the search, while

13:51

he was out looking for Sydney with the other

13:54

volunteers. He got

13:55

an interesting call from an acquaintance.

13:57

The

13:58

acquaintance said that his brother, Quay

13:59

Glue Ellen, had

14:01

told their stepfather that he had seen

14:03

Sydney running over the overpass

14:05

headed south toward her house.

14:08

Quake

14:08

was a local rice farmer who

14:11

helped in the efforts to recover Sydney.

14:13

He participated in the searches combing

14:15

the area near

14:16

Sydney's jogging route and

14:17

joined a Facebook group dedicated to finding

14:20

Sydney. Of course, Sam

14:22

was very interested in quite exciting.

14:24

Not

14:24

only did his citing confirm the

14:27

UPS driver's information,

14:29

But

14:29

Quake was quite possibly the last

14:31

person to see Sydney before she went

14:33

missing. During

14:34

the search, Sydney's mom

14:37

Maggie asked Quake Lou Ellen about

14:39

him seeing Sydney on her run,

14:40

but

14:41

Quake wouldn't say anything more.

14:43

He

14:43

gave Maggie an awkward hug and

14:45

returned to the searchers. Maggie

14:47

recalled that speaking with Quake, gave

14:48

her an unexplainably odd

14:51

feeling. The next

14:52

morning on August twentieth,

14:55

The police contacted Quake for a statement.

14:58

Investigators

14:58

wanted to know as many details

15:00

as possible about what happened

15:02

when Quake spotted Sydney. But

15:05

unfortunately,

15:05

quake didn't really wanna

15:07

talk. He

15:08

just reiterated what everyone already

15:10

knew, just

15:11

that he had seen Sydney running south on

15:13

the overpass. The same

15:15

day, Quake spoke to the police on August

15:17

twentieth. Sydney's iPhone was

15:19

located. It was

15:20

found on a field approximately one point

15:22

three miles from her home. The

15:24

phone was not damaged, which

15:26

led police to believe Sydney had not been

15:28

hit by a car. Meanwhile,

15:31

law enforcement and community members

15:34

continued

15:34

to search for Sydney.

15:35

Helicopters helped cover the vast country

15:38

fields. sniffert all accepted through the

15:40

opaque waves of tall grass.

15:43

Local

15:43

news channel, KARK4

15:45

Reported the news of Sydney's disappearance and

15:48

asked the public to be on the lookout for the

15:50

five foot three brown eyed blonde

15:52

haired woman. wearing

15:53

a white tank top and

15:54

black shorts. KARK4

15:56

news also

15:59

interviewed

15:59

Jackson County residents. Every

16:01

person expressed their worry for Sydney

16:04

and her family. One person

16:06

said Sydney was loved by everyone.

16:07

and a press conference.

16:10

Jackson County Sheriff

16:10

David Lucas explained that he

16:13

knew the Sutherland family well and

16:15

watched

16:15

Sydney grow up alongside his own

16:17

daughters. Clearly,

16:19

the entire

16:20

Jackson County community felt the

16:22

pain of Sydney's disappearance.

16:23

The

16:25

next day, August

16:26

twenty first,

16:28

quake and his stepfather, Michael

16:30

Lewellen, went to the police

16:32

station. As it turns out,

16:34

Michael had a gut feeling that his stepson

16:37

wasn't telling the whole truth about Sydney's

16:39

disappearance.

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20:15

Although

20:16

Michael Lewellen wasn't sure

20:18

what Quake was leaving out,

20:19

he encouraged his steps on to speak with the

20:22

authorities again about Sydney. which

20:23

is why the two men went to the

20:25

station. Once there, Quake

20:27

refused to reveal more information to

20:30

investigators, but he

20:31

did consent to let them search

20:33

his two thousand nineteen GMC truck.

20:35

At this point, the police

20:37

were confused. Quake's connection

20:39

to Sydney's case wasn't clear.

20:41

the authorities were eager for any

20:44

leads. While searching quake's truck,

20:46

they found their first feelings

20:48

of dread. The front end

20:49

of quake's truck was dented. And upon

20:51

closer

20:52

examination, officers

20:54

found

20:54

a blonde hare stuck to the dented portion.

20:57

There were

20:58

also cracks in the truck's tailgate where

21:00

officers

21:01

found blood and

21:04

more hair. Investigators sat

21:06

back down with quake trying to get answers,

21:08

but he stayed silent. He

21:10

did

21:10

hand over his cell phone

21:13

though. After

21:13

looking through the phone's GPS history,

21:16

the officers

21:16

discovered that quake was close to the

21:19

area where they believed Sydney went

21:21

missing. about an hour after it happened.

21:23

And quake's

21:24

location was only two point

21:26

three six miles away from where

21:28

Sydney's phone was found. Two miles

21:30

might sound like a long way off,

21:32

but

21:32

remember that these rural Arkansas roads

21:35

were

21:35

largely unpopulated. Sydney probably

21:37

saw a handful of people on her

21:39

daily jobs. Police

21:41

immediately recognized the significance of

21:43

Kuwait being so close to Sydney's last

21:46

known location and where her cell phone

21:48

was found on the same

21:49

day she went missing.

21:51

The blood

21:51

and blonde hair on his truck

21:54

probably

21:54

had already given investigators enough

21:56

to believe this was now a murder.

21:58

The phone

21:58

was now just more

21:59

evidence against him.

22:03

In the early afternoon of August

22:05

twenty first, investigators drove

22:07

to the coordinates they found on quake's

22:09

phone.

22:09

which led to one of quake's rice

22:12

fields.

22:12

there There,

22:13

the officers found a freshly dug

22:15

grave with twenty four year old Sydney's

22:18

body She had died from

22:20

multiple blunt force injuries. It

22:22

had been less than two days

22:24

after twenty four year old Sydney disappeared.

22:27

Her family was devastated. They felt

22:29

they had

22:30

done everything right. Sydney

22:32

had only been missing for a couple of

22:34

hours. when they reported her case to

22:36

the police, began a search party of

22:38

her last known location, and

22:40

informed the public via social media

22:42

to keep an eye out for any

22:44

clues. Maggie

22:46

told the daily mail that the entire family

22:48

did not sleep for the two days they searched

22:51

for Sydney. but even with their swift

22:53

response and diligent searching,

22:55

Sydney

22:55

could not be saved.

22:58

And it

22:58

appeared that twenty eight year old, Quay Blue

23:01

Ellen, had killed her.

23:02

Quay Blue Ellen

23:03

was born in Newport, Arkansas on

23:05

June

23:05

twenty eight, nineteen ninety two.

23:07

His

23:08

parents divorced when he was in the first or second

23:10

grade. His mother,

23:11

Kerry, gained soul custody of

23:14

Quake. Quake's

23:15

biological father would appear sporadically in

23:17

his life, never

23:19

remaining long. After

23:21

a few

23:21

years, Carrie remarried.

23:24

but that relationship also ended in divorce.

23:27

When Quake was

23:27

in the ninth grade, Carrie married her

23:29

third husband, Michael Lewellen.

23:32

Quay loved his

23:33

new stepfather. They spent a lot of

23:35

time together on Michael's fifty eight

23:37

hundred acre farm. He

23:40

considered Michael to be his father and even

23:42

took Michael's last name when

23:44

Michael formally adopted him. From

23:47

two thousand seven to two

23:49

thousand eleven, Quake attended Tuckerman

23:51

High School. Everyone in

23:53

Jackson County went to this high school,

23:55

including Sydney Sutherland.

23:56

She was three years younger than Quake,

23:59

but the two definitely

23:59

knew of each other. Since

24:02

Tuckerman had

24:02

less than two hundred students, and

24:04

what was already a small community. Everyone knew

24:07

everyone.

24:07

But quake and Sydney

24:09

weren't close. Despite being

24:11

in the same building, their

24:13

high

24:13

school experiences were dramatically different. Sydney

24:16

was

24:16

in the Spanish club, played

24:19

softball, and was a part of the National

24:21

Beta Club.

24:21

an organization for excellence

24:23

in academics, character, and leadership.

24:25

On the

24:26

other hand, Quake was a B and

24:29

C student. who was regularly tardy.

24:31

He had been suspended in junior high

24:33

school for fighting and didn't do

24:35

anything noteworthy in high school.

24:37

Still, Quake

24:38

and Sydney would have passed each other in the

24:41

hallways. After

24:42

graduating high school in two thousand eleven,

24:45

Quake went

24:45

to the local college of Arkansas

24:47

State University Newport. As you

24:49

already know, Sydney would later

24:51

go there too.

24:53

Unlike Sydney, Quake didn't

24:56

like college. he

24:56

preferred to work on the farm.

24:58

Before finishing one semester at

25:01

ASU, he dropped out. You

25:03

might think that Quake would return to his

25:05

stepfather's award winning farm

25:07

since it was wildly successful.

25:09

The Luwellan farm was

25:12

well going back three generations. They

25:14

had agricultural interests

25:16

spread across many Arkansas counties

25:18

and were recognized as the

25:20

two thousand sixteen Jackson County Farm family of the

25:23

year. The quake had

25:25

different plans. He rented five

25:27

hundred acres of land and started his

25:29

own rice and soybean

25:31

farm. Quake was following in the

25:33

footsteps of the rest of his adopted Blue Ellen

25:35

family who all had

25:36

their own farms. and

25:38

helped other whenever possible.

25:40

In that

25:41

vein, Quake's

25:42

stepfather Michael helped Quake rent the

25:44

land and provided him with some equipment.

25:47

By

25:48

age twenty three, quake had moved

25:50

out of his parents house. Two

25:52

years later in March of two thousand eighteen,

25:55

he married a woman named Gracey. She

25:57

had three children from a previous

25:59

relationship, and quake

25:59

became a stepfather to

26:02

them. In two

26:03

thousand twenty, quake, Gracie,

26:05

and their children, Moved in with Quake's

26:08

parents, Carrie and Michael, and Jonesboro,

26:10

Arkansas. They were

26:11

saving to build a house.

26:13

And Jonesboro was just a forty minute drive from

26:15

the Quake in Jackson County.

26:17

At this

26:18

time, quake was

26:20

twenty eight years old. He was

26:22

a big guy, six foot three and three

26:24

hundred and forty five pounds. a

26:26

bushy beard and mustache. Quint

26:29

knew his old high school classmates Sydney

26:31

Sutherland, was in the Jackson County

26:34

area. Since Quake's

26:34

rice farm was on her jogging

26:36

route, Sydney often saw

26:38

Quake, they would politely wave as

26:40

you do in the south.

26:42

And that's what should

26:44

have happened on August nineteenth two

26:47

thousand twenty,

26:48

but it

26:49

didn't. Quake had

26:50

been caught red handed. He

26:52

was the last person to see Sydney.

26:54

There was damning DNA evidence all

26:56

over his vehicle. and Sydney's body had

26:58

been found haphazardly buried in

27:00

his rice fields. And

27:02

the data from Sydney's cellphone

27:05

records and Apple corroborated her

27:07

location with quakes. If

27:08

ever

27:09

there was an open shut case, this

27:12

was it. After Sydney's body was

27:14

recovered, investigators confronted

27:16

quake as their main suspect. He

27:18

didn't want to confess, but his family

27:20

pressured

27:20

him to tell the truth.

27:23

I'm going

27:25

to pause now for a final commercial

27:28

break. Finally,

27:32

two days after Sydney's death,

27:34

Quakerville to the police what happened on

27:36

August nineteenth. At around two

27:38

or

27:38

three PM, He was driving down

27:40

Jackson County Road forty one to check on

27:43

a well and his rice fields

27:45

when he passed Sydney jogging.

27:48

As you know, this wasn't an uncommon

27:50

occurrence. Sydney ran past

27:52

Quake's farm all the time. But

27:55

this time, Quake didn't give Sydney

27:57

a smile or say hello. Instead,

27:59

he turned around and hit Sydney with

28:02

his truck. He then

28:03

forced her into the back of the truck

28:05

and drove three miles to his

28:07

rice field. At the field,

28:10

he

28:10

raped and killed Sydney.

28:13

He

28:13

grabbed a shovel from his truck,

28:15

dug a shallow grave, and buried

28:17

her body. Following

28:19

Sydney's rape and murder, Quake

28:22

pretended everything was

28:24

normal. He told police he wanted to

28:26

forget that he had ever seen Sydney that

28:28

day.

28:28

He returned to his farm duties,

28:31

checking on the well and his

28:33

fields. Near six PM,

28:35

quake finished working and

28:37

returned home. He ate dinner

28:37

with his family. No one had

28:39

any

28:39

idea Quake had ruthlessly assaulted

28:42

and murdered Sydney.

28:46

Later that evening, news of Sydney's

28:48

disappearance broke.

28:49

Quake's stepfather Michael called

28:50

him to see if he knew anything.

28:52

Quake shared

28:53

that he had seen Sydney running,

28:55

but that was it. He went back

28:57

to bed that evening without telling

29:00

anyone he had hurt Sydney. According

29:02

to

29:02

an affidavit, when

29:03

police asked if Quake knew

29:05

Sydney, he said he didn't know her that

29:08

well. They had only gone to high school

29:10

together. But

29:10

when investigators went through his phone, they found

29:12

that

29:12

quake had recently unfriended Sydney

29:14

on Facebook. We're not sure what

29:17

recently means here. Did

29:19

he unfriend her the day before

29:20

the murder or was it after the murder?

29:22

As Quake

29:23

tried to distance himself from Sydney,

29:25

regardless.

29:26

Sydney had definitely been on

29:28

his mind. Today

29:30

in Fort Smith's news reported that

29:32

a former anonymous acquaintance

29:35

of

29:35

quakes said that quake used to get in trouble

29:37

for peeping into women's windows to

29:39

watch them change or

29:40

bathe. He

29:42

was allegedly known to

29:44

obsess of her women he found attractive, stock

29:46

them and

29:46

bother them. The

29:48

source referred to

29:48

Quake as a troubled soul.

29:51

Following quake's confession to

29:53

Jackson County police, he was arrested

29:55

and held in jail until he could

29:57

go before a judge. At

29:59

this time,

29:59

his mother, Carrie, and his

30:01

wife, Gracie, contacted the

30:04

police. They had found home security

30:06

footage they knew investigators would want

30:08

to see. In the

30:10

footage, officer saw Quake's truck the

30:12

night before the Sydney's murder. At

30:14

this time,

30:14

there was no dent in the truck's

30:17

front end. But when

30:17

quake got back from work that day,

30:20

the dint was now visible.

30:22

On August twenty fourth

30:24

two thousand twenty, Quade

30:25

Blue Ellen was charged with capital murder,

30:27

rape, kidnapping, and abuse of

30:29

a corpse. Initially,

30:31

he pleaded not guilty.

30:33

The public

30:34

was in an uproar.

30:37

quake

30:37

was supposed to be one of

30:39

them,

30:39

south of the earth, an

30:40

Arkansas farmer, and family man.

30:42

but

30:43

now the community, especially Sydney's

30:45

family, felt terrorized

30:47

and outraged. For

30:50

quake's safety, He had to be transferred to

30:52

a jail in a different county. He

30:54

also had to wear

30:54

a bullet pretty fast whenever he

30:56

went to court. In

30:58

January of two thousand twenty one,

31:00

quake underwent a court ordered competency

31:03

evaluation with a psychologist. his

31:06

attorney was present. This

31:08

time around, quake told a

31:10

wildly different story than what he shared with

31:12

the police

31:12

four months earlier in August.

31:15

Here's

31:16

Quake's new and improved version

31:18

of events. He was driving

31:20

down the road when he passed Sydney.

31:22

He turned around in his truck, for

31:24

no apparent reason, but the dust from the gravel road made

31:27

it impossible for him to see

31:29

Sydney. quake said he felt

31:30

his truck hit her, so

31:33

he stopped, got out, and checked to see if she

31:35

was okay. He said she

31:37

appeared lifeless, so he put her body

31:39

in the

31:39

back of his truck.

31:41

He told the

31:42

psychologist that he had no idea why he didn't

31:44

call nine eleven after hitting her.

31:47

He said he was just scared and that it

31:49

was all just a blur. He

31:51

didn't recall feeling stressed at any point. He

31:53

was aware that putting Sydney's body

31:56

in the back of his truck and taking

31:58

off

31:58

was illegal.

31:59

but he didn't want to get in trouble for hitting

32:02

her. He took Sydney's body

32:04

to the rice field because he was already

32:06

headed that

32:07

After driving Sydney's

32:10

body to the field, quite put the

32:12

tailgate down, took off Sydney's clothes,

32:14

and messed with her a bit as

32:16

he put it. Rape. That was

32:18

what Quay Blue Ellen was trying to hide through his

32:20

vague descriptions. He raped

32:23

Sydney. When asked for more information

32:25

about how he messed with her,

32:27

quake's attorney

32:28

stopped him from saying anything

32:30

further. Clearly,

32:31

quake had been legally advised to

32:33

not explicitly admit to the fact that

32:35

he had raped city, Sutherland.

32:38

Ultimately, the psychologist determined

32:40

that quake annuity was doing this wrong

32:42

when he committed multiple brutal crimes

32:45

against Sydney. The

32:47

psychologist confirmed that Quake was fit to

32:49

stand trial. Quake's

32:51

trial was scheduled and the state's

32:54

prosecution announced they would

32:56

be seeking the death penalty. Sydney's mother Maggie

32:58

felt that it was fair, telling

33:00

the daily mail to me he

33:02

deserves the death penalty. he

33:04

is a monster,

33:05

an evil

33:07

monster.

33:07

She did not deserve any of

33:09

that. Afraid he

33:10

would be sentenced to

33:12

death, quake decided to take a

33:14

plea deal. In an interview with

33:16

oxygen, quake's lawyer said the plea deal

33:18

was a mercy since the

33:20

national publicity of Sydney's case was

33:22

so immense. he believed that quake would

33:24

not have received an impartial

33:25

trial, and he would have been

33:26

sentenced to death.

33:28

On October first, two

33:31

thousand twenty one, over

33:32

a year after Sydney's body was

33:35

discovered, Quay

33:35

Glue Ellen plead guilty to capital murder

33:37

and rape. In

33:38

exchange for his plea, the prosecution took the

33:40

death penalty off the table. They

33:42

also agreed to drop the charges

33:44

for kidnapping and abuse of a

33:47

corpse. Sydney's family supported the

33:49

deal. While they wanted quake to receive

33:51

the death penalty, there

33:52

was always a small chance he could walk

33:54

free

33:54

from a jury

33:56

trial. Also,

33:57

when Quake accepted a plea deal,

33:59

it meant that he was not allowed to appeal

34:01

any court decisions. This

34:03

was the safest route. to ensure that

34:05

Quay Blue Ellen remained behind bars.

34:07

At the sentencing

34:09

hearing, Mariner News reported

34:11

that Sydney's family packed

34:14

the They

34:14

all wore pink shirts, Sydney's favorite color. Print

34:16

it on the shirts were the

34:17

words, maggie's

34:20

girl. Maggie

34:21

read a powerful impact

34:23

statement. KLRTTV

34:26

reported that when Maggie

34:28

began, she sharply addressed Quake

34:30

saying Quake. Will you look me

34:32

in the eyes? She expressed how glad she was. The quake will be

34:34

just a number in prison.

34:37

She said, Satan is real. The hands

34:40

you hug me with are the same

34:42

hands you killed her with. She was

34:44

not yours

34:46

to take. Sydney's father, Dion, spoke as

34:48

well. He said, quake. You're a

34:50

three hundred pound coward that hit

34:52

my one hundred

34:54

pound daughter. with a three thousand

34:56

pound truck. Sydney's brother Sam had a friend

34:58

read his statement. Sam's

35:01

statement detailed how Due

35:03

to Sydney's death, he suffered from

35:05

insomnia and his daughters, Sydney's

35:08

beloved niches, did not

35:10

understand why their aunt

35:12

was gone. And

35:13

then Quay Blue Ellen was sentenced to life

35:15

without parole. While the Sutherland's

35:17

were satisfied with

35:20

the outcome, Their hearts were

35:22

still ravaged by Sydney's

35:24

loss. Her longtime

35:25

boyfriend Alex was deeply

35:27

affected by the murder

35:29

of his girlfriend. His

35:30

mother, Amy, told the Sun News that Sydney was quote, the love

35:33

of his life, and she was ripped

35:35

from him and their future. Alex

35:38

tries to be really strong, but he's not, you know. He's kind of

35:40

like everyone else day to day. Different

35:42

days bring on different feelings. He

35:45

had a hard time for a long while just going

35:48

home because Sydney

35:49

wasn't there.

35:51

Sydney's mother

35:52

Maggie told the son she had walked

35:54

the path Sydney took many times. She

35:57

said, I still

35:58

go to where it was at. I've done

36:00

every

36:00

step she's taken to try and see what

36:02

happened.

36:04

Maggie

36:04

went on to describe that the entire

36:06

situation was a living nightmare,

36:08

not just

36:08

for the family, but also the

36:11

community. On the day

36:11

quake was sentenced, Maggie told

36:14

reporters, true justice for

36:16

Sydney, my daughter, would be for

36:18

her to be here. When

36:20

speaking to

36:21

oxygen regarding the court

36:23

proceedings, quake's defense

36:24

attorney urged folks to

36:26

think kindly of the

36:27

Lualin family.

36:30

Quake's stepfather

36:30

Michael was the one who had

36:32

pushed him to talk to the police. And

36:34

when it

36:34

became apparent that Quake was

36:37

the killer, Billualin's

36:37

told Quake to confess.

36:39

The lawyer

36:40

said, they took him

36:41

up there. They told him to tell the

36:44

truth. They

36:44

told him to cooperate. and

36:47

he did what they told him. They could certainly steered him in

36:49

a different way. The family took a lot of

36:51

abuse and

36:51

they didn't do

36:54

anything. Any

36:55

animosity that anyone is feeling towards the family is

36:58

misdirected. As soon as quake

36:59

was charged in August two

37:02

thousand twenty, His wife,

37:04

Gracie, filed for divorce. quake's

37:05

family never asked for the burden

37:08

of his horrific crimes. He

37:09

ruined

37:10

their lives to their

37:12

lives Since Quay Blue Ellen accepted a

37:14

plea deal and won't receive a

37:16

trial, we will never know his motivations

37:18

for killing

37:20

Sydney. The police

37:20

couldn't identify a motive, but it's hard

37:22

to accept that quake acted randomly.

37:25

Sydney was a

37:26

woman of

37:28

habit. Even though she didn't run at the same time on the same

37:30

day, she always took this

37:32

route. quake knew she would

37:36

return eventually. When you

37:37

add in the anonymous source who spoke with today in Fort

37:39

News

37:39

about Quake's stalking tendencies,

37:41

it's hard to believe that he

37:43

killed her

37:43

on a whim.

37:46

It could

37:46

have been premeditated. But at

37:48

the end of the

37:49

day, this is yet another

37:50

example of why women feel

37:54

unsafe doing regular activities like jogging,

37:57

especially

37:57

jogging. Sydney's

37:59

terrible situation

37:59

is is not new

38:02

not new. In September of two thousand twenty two, which was

38:04

just last month, Tennessee school

38:06

teacher,

38:06

Elaza Fletcher, was murdered

38:08

well on her morning jog.

38:11

In July

38:12

of two thousand eighteen,

38:14

Iowa College student Mollie Tibbets was

38:16

stabbed to death while jogging. In

38:18

September of that same year,

38:20

Wendy Martinez, who was engaged

38:22

six days earlier and worked at a

38:24

tech company in DC, was

38:26

jogging when she was

38:28

fatally stabbed. Corina Vatrana, a

38:29

New York speech pathologist, always went on a

38:31

daily run with

38:32

her dad, a retired firefighter. But

38:35

on August second,

38:37

two thousand sixteen. Her dad skipped

38:39

the run due to back pain, and Karina was

38:41

beaten raped and strangled while

38:44

alone on

38:45

her run. This is only the beginning

38:47

of a very long list of women,

38:49

harmed while outgoing on

38:52

a run. Michelle

38:53

Hamilton wrote a

38:55

fantastic

38:55

article for Runners World

38:57

entitled running while Female, which

38:59

is where the hashtag

39:01

started, I believe. Hamilton begins by explaining

39:03

that three young women were murdered mid

39:05

run over a period of nine days in

39:07

the summer of two thousand

39:10

seventeen. In case

39:11

you've lost track. None of

39:13

the women we've already discussed were murdered in the summer of two thousand

39:16

seventeen. These were three additional

39:18

women. Hamilton doesn't name

39:20

the women. but

39:22

she does clarify that all three were running in daylight on routes

39:25

they'd gone before. In a

39:27

world where merely existing

39:28

is unsafe

39:29

for women,

39:32

These

39:32

three had taken precautions, but it wasn't enough.

39:34

If

39:34

you're a woman who runs,

39:36

I'm not trying to scare

39:40

you. I commend you on your commitment to your mental and

39:42

physical health. And although

39:44

it

39:44

can feel unsafe, the

39:46

chances

39:47

of being murdered mid run

39:49

are incredibly slim. According to Hamilton, it's

39:51

slower than one and thirty five thousand

39:53

and three hundred and thirty

39:56

six people. but it's

39:58

similar to a fear of

40:00

flying. You know in your head that you're

40:02

more likely to die

40:03

while driving. But

40:04

in your heart, that plane is

40:05

still thirty thousand feet off the ground. We

40:07

know in our heads

40:08

that the chances of being kidnapped

40:11

or killed while running is

40:14

microscopic, but it's still

40:16

terrifying. Helping women

40:17

runners feel safe is

40:19

a complex solution. There isn't a charity that will

40:21

accept your donation or a center that needs

40:24

items. Please watch out

40:26

for the runners you see on the street.

40:30

be

40:30

another set of eyes on the lookout for their safety.

40:32

And if you're a man for

40:33

the love of God, don't yell

40:36

anything at a

40:38

running woman. It's annoying and scary.

40:40

It isn't funny. She

40:41

isn't flattered.

40:43

You're just an asshole. you're just

40:45

an asshole Maybe a harmless

40:46

asshole in your mind, but you

40:48

need to consider that

40:49

you are actually terrorizing

40:52

a woman.

40:53

An honor of

40:54

Sydney, her alma

40:56

mater, Arkansas State University, Newport,

40:59

began the

40:59

Sydney Sutherland

41:02

Collegehip. According

41:02

to ASU's website, it's designed to help

41:04

meet

41:04

the educational needs of students who

41:07

demonstrate financial need.

41:09

A year after

41:10

Sydney's death in two thousand

41:13

twenty one, family

41:14

and friends of Sydney walked her jogging

41:16

route in her

41:18

honor. Naturally,

41:18

they all wore pink. The

41:20

overpass Sydney Rand has

41:22

since been named for her. A

41:26

close friend of the Sutherland

41:28

family, doctor Kelly McKinney, spoke to

41:30

Channel eight News and

41:32

said, it is hard and a lot of people in

41:34

the community. or having to

41:36

relive just one of the worst days of their

41:38

lives today. She was a light, you

41:40

know, like she could light up a

41:42

room. She had an

41:44

infectious smile. Yes.

41:45

That is a direct quote. And

41:47

yes, I considered removing it. I

41:49

have done it many

41:50

times since the true crime world

41:52

has started mocking. what they consider a trope when someone

41:55

lights up a room. That is

41:57

someone who has researched and written over

41:59

one hundred

41:59

and sixty episodes I can tell you

42:02

that this is how families

42:04

talk about their loved ones.

42:06

It is how they remember

42:07

their beautiful daughters. I

42:09

don't even

42:10

know how many times I've deleted that quote

42:12

now, but it's starting to feel gross.

42:16

Sydney

42:16

Sutherland was

42:18

beautiful. and

42:18

like many beautiful women, it's probably why she

42:21

was targeted. I guess we aren't supposed

42:23

to point that out. but

42:26

I think it's pointless to ignore it. Attractive women

42:28

are targeted all the time in all

42:31

kinds of situations.

42:34

I

42:34

did worry about releasing this episode so soon

42:37

after Eliza Fletcher's murder from

42:39

Memphis, Tennessee, feeding into that

42:41

missing white woman syndrome.

42:44

certainly

42:44

wasn't intentional. Sydney's

42:46

case had been on

42:47

my schedule for

42:48

months, and Andrea had already researched

42:50

and written her part of

42:51

the script.

42:53

Why should we

42:53

move Sydney's case? We

42:55

chose it

42:56

because it's a compelling story, because

42:58

it does

42:58

seem to happen so often even

43:01

though statistics say otherwise.

43:03

and because women should be able to

43:05

run with freedom. But we don't live

43:07

in that world.

43:09

Telling

43:09

Sydney story is a way to

43:12

specifically warn women who may feel

43:14

safer running in rural

43:16

areas. I covered

43:16

Christy Cornwall's murder earlier this

43:19

year, a thirty

43:19

eight year old

43:20

woman walking, On a two lane country road, so

43:23

rural it was practically just

43:25

her parents driveway. She not

43:26

only knew self defense,

43:29

She had a false sense of security because

43:31

of her rural surroundings. We

43:33

tell these stories to

43:35

bring Eliza's murder appears to have been

43:38

random, but Sydney

43:39

Sutherland was targeted, maybe

43:42

even stocked.

43:43

It's possible Quake made

43:45

a split decision that day, but

43:47

they did know each other, and

43:49

she probably never dreamed he would

43:51

be a threat. They

43:52

had even waved at each other when she was outrunning

43:55

before. If you are a

43:57

runner, please bear in mind.

43:59

that even though your

43:59

common route feels the best

44:02

and may

44:02

not be the safest,

44:04

change up

44:04

your running routes. And while

44:06

it's difficult in our heavily scheduled

44:09

lives, Change up your

44:09

daily routine as much as

44:12

possible. We all just want

44:13

to make it home.

44:15

Even in a rural

44:18

small town, where you think you know

44:20

everyone, there could still be someone dangerous watching.

44:23

Waiting.

44:23

Try not to make

44:25

it easier for them.

44:30

Southern Fried True Crime

44:30

is hosted and produced by

44:33

me, Erica Kelley. Today's

44:34

episode was researched and written by Andrea Marsh Bank with

44:37

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44:38

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44:40

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44:56

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