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1:02
Fred Javelin was a man of routine.
1:05
Every day, he would wake up at six
1:07
AM, put on a pot of coffee,
1:10
and then go out the back door to grab the newspaper
1:12
from the driveway. Reading
1:14
the paper while drinking fresh brewed coffee
1:17
was Fred's favorite way to start the
1:18
day. The morning
1:20
of October thirtieth two thousand four,
1:22
was supposed to be like all the others.
1:25
Fred woke up, put on a pot of coffee,
1:28
and walked out the back door to grab the paper.
1:30
he would have had an extra spring in his
1:33
step. It was almost Halloween,
1:35
his favorite holiday. It
1:38
was Saturday, so he could lounge
1:40
around enjoying his coffee and paper.
1:42
He was probably excited to get the candy
1:45
ready for trick treaters the next night.
1:47
On Halloween day, he was supposed
1:49
to take his three kids on a hay ride
1:52
before carving pumpkins and then
1:54
getting into costumes. but
1:56
he would never get to drink that coffee or
1:59
enjoy his Saturday
1:59
before all hallows Eve.
2:03
Fred was walking out his own back door
2:05
into an ambush. Just
2:08
before six forty AM, a
2:10
Henrico County Virginia man named
2:12
Bob called 911
2:14
to report three gunshots he had just
2:16
heard in his residential neighborhood.
2:19
Police arrived in the neighborhood and started
2:22
searching, but they didn't find anything.
2:24
At seven AM, they called Bob
2:26
back to tell him the news. Bob
2:29
said he would take his dog for a walk when the
2:31
sun came up. And if he saw anything,
2:33
he'd give them a callback. Less
2:36
than thirty minutes later, Bob and his
2:38
wife were walking their dogs. When
2:40
Bob noticed, something crumpled up
2:42
in a neighbor's driveway. It
2:45
was the body of fifty two year old Fred
2:47
Javelin.
2:47
He had been shot twice.
2:51
Another neighbor
2:52
later told the press that because
2:54
it was such a nice neighborhood, if didn't
2:56
know any better and saw the yellow crime
2:58
scene tape across the Javelin driveway,
3:01
You would just think it was a Halloween decoration.
3:05
Welcome to episode one sixty seven,
3:08
The Murder of Fred Jablin.
3:14
Frederick Mark Jablin was born on July
3:16
twenty third nineteen fifty two
3:18
in Queens, New York.
3:21
His father Irving was an accountant
3:23
and his mother Mildred was a stay at
3:25
home mom while Fred and his older
3:27
brother Michael were young.
3:29
She later became a bookkeeper.
3:32
The Javelins raised their
3:34
two sons in Floral Park,
3:36
a
3:36
Jewish working class neighborhood.
3:37
Growing
3:40
up, Fred wanted to be a scientist.
3:43
He would later graduate with a doctorate.
3:45
but he didn't exactly become a scientist
3:47
like he had dreamed of. Instead,
3:50
he
3:50
conducted groundbreaking research
3:52
in the communications field.
3:54
At
3:54
the time of his death, he
3:56
was a very distinguished university professor
3:59
and department
3:59
chair. Aside
4:01
from Fred's intelligence,
4:03
he
4:03
was known for having a playful nature,
4:06
a sharp sense of humor, and
4:07
a zest for living.
4:10
One friend told Katherine Casey, Author
4:12
of Die My Love, that Fred
4:14
had an infectious curiosity. that
4:16
made him stand out in a crowd. Another
4:19
said Fred had a horizons of humor
4:21
and a contagious love of life.
4:24
Fred graduated from the State University
4:27
of New York with a bachelor's in political
4:29
science and speech. He
4:30
then went to the University of Michigan
4:33
in Ann Arbor and earned a master's
4:35
degree in communication.
4:37
but Fred wasn't done with school yet.
4:39
He
4:40
then graduated from Purdue University
4:42
with a PhD in organizational
4:45
communication. After
4:47
earning his PhD, Fred
4:49
accepted an assistant professor position
4:51
at the University of Wisconsin at
4:54
Milwaukee.
4:55
There, he wrote his breakthrough article.
4:57
It
4:58
was about supervisor and subordinate
5:00
communication. The
5:02
article was accepted for publication in
5:04
the psychological bulletin, a
5:06
monthly peer reviewed academic journal.
5:09
A friend and colleague of
5:11
France told Katherine Casey,
5:13
at that point, organizational communication
5:16
was just getting its legs.
5:18
getting an article published and another
5:20
disciplines leading journal was a coup.
5:22
With
5:23
that paper, Fred leapfrogged
5:26
to the head of his class and built a reputation
5:28
for himself in the field. Not
5:32
long after writing the breakthrough article,
5:34
Fred was offered a teaching position at
5:36
the University of Tech at Austin.
5:38
He accepted and became
5:40
a professor of organizational communication.
5:44
at
5:44
UT Austin,
5:46
Fred met and befriended fellow
5:48
professor John Daley.
5:50
He later said, Fred
5:52
was a true teacher at heart. There
5:54
was nothing he
5:55
enjoyed more than working one on one
5:57
with a bright student.
5:59
In his first five years at the
6:02
university, Fred wrote thirteen
6:04
articles for scholarly journals and
6:06
was officially considered an expert
6:08
in the field.
6:09
He won many awards for his groundbreaking
6:12
research.
6:13
Fred bought a house on Harper's Ferry Lane
6:16
in Austin.
6:17
This was game changing for Fred.
6:20
He loved Halloween and would
6:22
decorate his house in cobwebs spiders,
6:25
and
6:25
a dummy he named mister Myers.
6:28
He would carve pumpkins and host
6:30
an annual Halloween party.
6:33
John Daley told Katherine Casey, Fred
6:35
believed that Halloween was a time when you
6:37
could be a different person. He'd
6:39
spend days making sure the decorations
6:42
were just right, arranging and
6:44
rearranging the cobwebs so
6:46
they looked real.
6:48
Fred also obsessed over his costumes.
6:50
His favorite was an elaborate
6:52
wizard costume. In
6:55
the fall of nineteen eighty one,
6:57
John
6:57
introduced Fred to one of his students,
6:59
a
7:00
young woman named Piper Roundtree.
7:03
Fred soon learned that Piper had
7:05
previously been in one of his classes,
7:07
but since it was such a large class,
7:10
he didn't remember her.
7:12
For a girl, he couldn't remember,
7:14
the determined piper was about
7:16
to take over his life.
7:19
Piper and Fred were the epitome
7:21
of opposites attract. Katherine
7:23
Casey described Fred as precise
7:25
and exacting. and Piper
7:27
as a free spirit. John
7:30
Daley said they each found
7:32
something in the other that they lacked.
7:34
Piper helped make Fred quote
7:37
more of a person. I
7:39
take that to mean a
7:40
more easygoing fun person.
7:43
Frod was a brilliant accomplished
7:46
academic, so perhaps he was a
7:48
little awkward, and Piper helped to
7:50
smooth out the edges. And
7:53
Fred offered Piper Financial support
7:55
and commitment. They
7:57
said he waited on her hand and
7:59
foot. It
7:59
would seem he adored her.
8:02
at least in the beginning.
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Piper
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and Round Tree was born on January
9:35
sixth nineteen sixty in Japan.
9:37
to parents, Bill, and Betty.
9:39
Piper was eight years younger than
9:41
her soon to be husband, but she was
9:43
used to being the youngest. She was
9:45
the spoiled baby sister of five
9:48
siblings. She was very
9:50
close to all of her family, but she
9:52
shared a special bond with her
9:54
sister Tina. who was also eight
9:56
years older than her. The
9:58
Round Tree family lived all over the
9:59
place until Bill retired, then
10:02
they settled in Harlingen, Texas.
10:04
According
10:06
to Piper, she grew up thinking
10:08
her parents
10:08
were divorced because Bill was gone
10:10
for many of her school years.
10:13
She
10:13
felt like she barely knew her own father.
10:15
When he
10:15
was home, he was drinking.
10:18
And
10:18
when he drank, he
10:19
was mean.
10:21
Betty was described as a good mom
10:23
by Piper's childhood friends. She went
10:26
to PTA meetings and was always
10:28
there for her kids.
10:29
However, Piper later told a psychiatrist
10:32
that Betty
10:32
wasn't ever around. It was Tina
10:34
who raised her.
10:37
Tina told
10:37
a different story to Katherine Casey,
10:40
saying, Piper was
10:41
the baby of the family, and my mom
10:43
was really protective.
10:45
she would give Piper a lot of attention. Piper,
10:48
a bookworm, graduated
10:50
from Harlingen High School in nineteen
10:53
seventy eight. She was
10:54
very popular there and was a top
10:56
student. She was a member of the
10:58
National Honor Society, The Student
11:00
Council, and the Yearbook Committee.
11:02
She was the editor of the school's
11:05
literary publication, and she
11:07
participated in speech, drama, tennis,
11:09
and choir.
11:12
In
11:12
nineteen seventy eight, Piper started
11:14
at the University of Texas and
11:16
Austin. She
11:17
majored in speech and studied
11:19
German. She was already fluent in
11:21
Spanish. It was the
11:23
fall of nineteen eighty one that
11:25
Piper's teacher John Daley
11:27
introduced her to Dr. Fred Jablin.
11:29
At this
11:31
point, Piper was
11:32
a senior at the university. She
11:34
would
11:34
often talk to John in between classes.
11:37
One
11:38
day, he told Piper about
11:40
an event he and Fred were going
11:42
to.
11:42
She asked if she could go and John
11:44
said yes. He
11:46
ended up having to cancel at the last
11:48
minute, but he asked Fred to still
11:50
go. Fred went and
11:52
he and Piper seemed to fall for
11:54
each other right away. By
11:56
December nineteen eighty one, they
11:58
were
11:58
living together.
12:01
In the
12:01
spring of nineteen eighty two, Piper
12:03
graduated
12:03
with a bachelor's in communication and
12:06
German. Then
12:08
she left for a year on a scholarship
12:11
in Germany.
12:12
While there,
12:13
Piper met another man.
12:14
When
12:15
Fred found out, he flew over
12:17
to win her back. His
12:19
plan worked.
12:20
She came back to him when the scholarship
12:23
was over. and
12:23
they moved back in together.
12:26
In
12:26
the fall of nineteen eighty three,
12:28
Piper enrolled in a San Antonio
12:31
law school. with
12:31
Fred paying her tuition, of course.
12:34
Then on
12:34
October fourteenth nineteen eighty
12:37
three, Fred and Piper got married.
12:40
It wasn't long before Fred found
12:42
out that Piper wasn't
12:44
exactly who he thought she was.
12:46
She was very demanding. and
12:48
she had a formidable temper, which
12:50
she wasn't afraid to show.
12:53
Despite all of this, Fred
12:55
remained an extremely devoted partner.
12:58
When Piper's law school grades
13:00
dropped, Fred put his beloved house up
13:02
for rent and moved to San
13:04
Antonio to help support her.
13:07
He continued working in Austin,
13:09
driving three hours round trip to work
13:11
every day for two years.
13:13
Fred's sacrifices seemed to
13:16
be worth it in the end. Piper
13:18
graduated from law school in the spring of
13:20
nineteen eighty six and the couple moved
13:22
back to Austin. She
13:24
enjoyed painting
13:25
while studying for the bar and looking for
13:28
a job. By October,
13:31
she had a job with the Hays County
13:33
District Attorney's Office. But just
13:35
a year later, Piper was unemployed.
13:38
When people asked why she left the
13:40
DA's office, Piper said she
13:42
didn't feel safe as a prosecutor after
13:44
a man came in, to
13:46
negotiate a plea deal and took out a gun
13:48
and put it in between them. The
13:51
truth was that she had been
13:53
fired. This would be the beginning of
13:55
a pattern of
13:56
lying in Piper's life.
13:58
She always
13:59
bent the truth to make herself sound
14:01
better. or
14:02
to sound like the victim in any situation.
14:04
She was able to get
14:06
a new job at the Texas Association
14:09
of school boards fairly quickly after
14:11
being fired. In
14:14
nineteen eighty eight, Piper and Fritz
14:16
started talking about having children. And
14:18
in July nineteen eighty nine, the
14:20
couple welcomed a
14:21
daughter, Jocelyn.
14:24
Piper continued to work
14:25
while Jocelyn went to day care.
14:27
But
14:27
then Piper quit the school board
14:30
association
14:30
and took a higher paying job at a law
14:32
firm. A
14:34
year later, she was unemployed
14:36
again. She
14:37
told people that she was fired for being
14:40
pregnant with her second child, but the
14:42
firm said it was for
14:43
a lack of performance.
14:46
Looking
14:46
back at the academic accomplishments
14:48
of Piper Roundtree, you would
14:50
think she was destined for success
14:52
like her husband. Maybe
14:54
she was one of those people who thrives
14:56
in an
14:57
insulated school environment, but
14:59
struggles out in the real
15:01
world. In
15:02
March of nineteen ninety two, Piper
15:04
gave birth to a boy named Paxton.
15:07
She ended up experiencing intense
15:10
postpartum depression. She
15:12
spent weeks in bed and didn't
15:14
have the energy to care for her newborn. When
15:17
she recovered, Piper
15:18
then went to work for the Texas Classroom
15:21
Teachers Association. After
15:22
a year, she was
15:24
let go for, quote, not having
15:27
passion for the job. Then
15:29
Piper, impetuously, opened up
15:31
her own law office, which was
15:33
unsuccessful from the get go.
15:35
Then in nineteen ninety three,
15:37
she found out she was pregnant with her
15:39
third child. But this
15:41
time, there were complications.
15:43
and well
15:43
into the pregnancy.
15:46
Piper
15:46
suffered a miscarriage.
15:48
It was
15:48
a very difficult time for Piper
15:51
and Fred.
15:51
They were devastated, and
15:53
Piper fell into another deep
15:56
depression. She decided
15:58
she wanted to stay home with the kids.
16:00
She no longer wanted to work.
16:02
To
16:03
help pay the bills, Fred took on
16:05
consulting work,
16:06
something he didn't want to do, but
16:08
felt he had to do. to keep the family
16:11
afloat. The
16:12
second job didn't last long,
16:14
not because Fred gave it up, but
16:17
because Piper demanded he'd be at
16:19
home more with her and the kids.
16:22
Around the same time that Piper said she wanted
16:24
to stay home, the Javelin
16:26
started going to marriage
16:26
counseling.
16:28
According to Katherine Casey, they
16:30
might have started counseling because of
16:32
something Piper did. Shortly
16:34
after Paxton was born, Piper
16:37
withdrew her retirement fund, which
16:39
was around sixteen hundred dollars.
16:41
She combined that with fourteen
16:43
hundred dollars from a joint account with
16:45
Fred and then she paid for breast implant
16:47
surgery. Maybe it
16:49
doesn't sound like a huge amount she took from their
16:51
joint account. but it's worth about
16:53
three thousand today, which adds
16:55
perspective. She
16:57
didn't tell Fred until two days before
17:00
the surgery. and he didn't want
17:02
Piper to get the surgery. He was
17:04
worried about leaking implants and how
17:06
breastfeeding would work. But
17:08
Piper didn't care about his concerns.
17:11
Yes. It was her body and her
17:13
choice, but healthy couples
17:15
discussed major medical decisions.
17:18
and one partner should not be sneaking money out
17:20
of a joint account. That's a major
17:22
breach of
17:22
trust. Then in
17:25
nineteen ninety four,
17:27
Fred was offered a job at the University
17:29
of Richmond in Virginia.
17:31
This job paid a lot more
17:33
than his position in Texas. The
17:37
Javelins bought a house on
17:39
hearthglow lane and the Kingsley suburb
17:41
of Richmond. It was a
17:43
nice house. A two story Red Brick
17:45
home set far off from the
17:47
street. In
17:48
December nineteen ninety five,
17:50
Piper
17:50
gave birth to another daughter.
17:52
Calin or Cali for
17:54
short.
17:55
Once again, Piper
17:57
suffered from postpartum depression.
17:59
Except
18:00
this time, when the postpartum
18:03
left, motherhood didn't come as naturally
18:05
as it had with her first two
18:07
kids. Kallie
18:07
needed attention, but Piper didn't
18:09
have any to give to her.
18:11
In nineteen
18:12
ninety six, Piper and Fred
18:14
were back in marriage counseling.
18:16
She said
18:17
she felt underappreciated and
18:20
ignored. She
18:20
wanted Fred to pay more attention to her
18:23
and the kids. She complained
18:25
that Fred kept her on a financial
18:28
leash. She wanted to
18:28
be in control of the money.
18:31
though So
18:33
Fred gave her the control.
18:34
He always tried to give her
18:36
what she wanted. By nineteen
18:39
ninety eight, People
18:40
were starting to notice that Piper didn't really
18:42
seem to care about her
18:44
children. She wouldn't
18:44
even pick them up from
18:45
school if they were sick. She
18:47
would escape to her neighbor, Mel's house.
18:50
Just to get
18:50
away for a little while, she said.
18:53
Mel would then
18:54
look outside her window.
18:56
and
18:56
see Cali playing in the yard by herself. She
18:58
would have been
18:59
just over two years old.
19:01
Fred ended up
19:03
sending Cali to day care.
19:05
so he knew
19:06
she would be cared for.
19:07
He hired nannies and cleaning
19:10
ladies even
19:10
though Piper didn't work, but
19:12
she would often
19:14
fire Fred told
19:14
his friend, John Daily, that
19:17
Piper was never happy. No
19:19
matter what he did, it wasn't
19:21
enough. but he said he loved Piper
19:23
and had to keep trying.
19:25
The year nineteen ninety
19:27
nine was another tough one for the
19:30
Javelin family. Piper
19:31
started having an
19:33
affair,
19:33
something Fred knew nothing about, at
19:35
least for a while.
19:36
She was also diagnosed
19:39
with a possible mood disorder and put on antidepressants
19:42
and anti anxiety medication.
19:44
Also during this time,
19:47
Piper wrecked up thirty two thousand in debt while
19:49
being in charge of finances. That
19:51
would be over fifty seven thousand
19:54
today. When Fred found
19:56
out, he took back control of the
19:58
finances and told her she needed to get
20:00
a job and help pay off the debt.
20:02
Piper ended
20:03
up taking over an attorney's
20:05
office who was looking to retire,
20:07
but she didn't have a license to
20:09
practice in Virginia.
20:11
It wasn't long before the
20:13
Bar Association found out that
20:15
Piper was practicing law without a
20:18
Virginia license. She was
20:19
ordered to take their bar exam,
20:21
and
20:21
Fred paid the three thousand
20:22
dollars for a University of Richmond
20:25
Review Course to help piper pass
20:27
the bar.
20:27
He also
20:29
hired a full time housekeeper to
20:31
help
20:32
piper at home while she studied,
20:34
but she fell the bar
20:36
exam. and fell into another deep
20:39
depression. In early May two
20:41
thousand, Fred and Piper started seeing
20:43
a therapist. whom Piper had already been
20:45
seen by herself for couples
20:47
counseling. The therapist
20:49
quickly realized that Fred was
20:52
sincerely concerned about Piper.
20:54
He was not the way Piper had made him out
20:56
to be during their solo sessions.
20:59
That
20:59
same month, Piper had a hysterectomy
21:01
and again became very depressed.
21:04
Fred took care of the kids that summer
21:06
while she did her own thing.
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By the
22:20
fall of two thousand, Fred
22:22
moved into a separate bedroom so
22:24
Piper could sleep better.
22:26
neighbors say her mood darkened. She
22:29
was rarely seen around the
22:31
house.
22:31
She eventually asked Fred for an apartment
22:33
of her own so she could
22:36
paint even though she had the whole house to
22:38
herself during the day.
22:40
In
22:40
December two thousand, two
22:42
days before the Javelin family was supposed to go
22:44
to Disney World.
22:45
Piper called her neighbor Linda and
22:47
asked to borrow her car.
22:50
Linda thought it was for an air end, so
22:52
she said yes.
22:54
Hours passed and Piper didn't
22:56
return.
22:57
Linda called her and asked where she
23:00
was.
23:00
Piper said calmly,
23:02
I don't
23:03
know.
23:04
More hours passed and her
23:07
neighbor mill got a call about
23:09
Piper being at a doctor's
23:11
office. The caller said, Piper
23:13
couldn't drive. she needed a ride
23:15
home. Saumel went to
23:17
get her and she wasn't even able
23:19
to walk. She was nearly
23:21
unconscious because the staff had given her something to
23:23
calm her down. Mel
23:25
and
23:25
her husband had Piper home.
23:27
When
23:27
they carried her inside the
23:30
Javelin house, The kids were unfazed
23:32
by their mother's condition or
23:34
her absence. Then
23:37
mill called Fred and told him to
23:39
come home. Later that night,
23:41
Piper
23:41
called
23:42
Linda and asked her to come over
23:44
and tell her what had happened that
23:46
day. When Linda went to the house,
23:48
she said Piper was manic and
23:51
pacing.
23:51
She ordered Linda to tell her
23:53
everything.
23:53
Linda told Piper what happened,
23:55
but then she started yelling that Fred
23:57
was drugging her, and
23:59
Linda got
23:59
uncomfortable and left.
24:01
The next morning,
24:04
Mel got a call from Fred asking where
24:06
Piper and Cali were. Mel
24:08
said
24:08
she didn't know. She
24:09
hadn't seen either of them since she had dropped
24:12
Piper off the day before.
24:13
Come to
24:14
find out. Piper had called
24:16
her sister Tina in the middle of the night
24:18
and
24:18
said Fred was drugging her. She
24:20
said she was scared
24:21
and wanted to travel to Houston
24:24
with Cali.
24:25
Piper packed her suitcases and
24:27
called a limo service to take her and
24:29
Cali to the airport. She
24:32
didn't tell Fred, but he eventually
24:34
found out where they were. It is unclear
24:35
if he asked her to come home, but
24:37
we do
24:38
know that he still took the other two kids
24:40
to Disney. He probably didn't
24:42
want to ruin their vacation.
24:44
While in Houston,
24:47
Piper
24:47
told Tina that after she got home on the
24:49
day she borrowed
24:49
Linda's car, Fred
24:51
was angry. She
24:52
claimed he ripped her clothes off and put
24:55
her to bed,
24:55
calling her an embarrassment.
24:57
And she said that Fred drugged
25:00
her.
25:00
Tina, a nurse
25:01
practitioner, felt like Piper
25:03
was suffering from exhaustion and
25:05
that
25:06
Fred was undermining her self esteem.
25:09
Basically, everything was friends
25:12
fault. Meanwhile, Fred
25:14
Jocelyn and Paxton spent a
25:16
week at Disney flew
25:18
to Texas to see Piper and Cali.
25:20
A few days
25:21
later, the whole Javelin family went
25:23
back to Richmond, after it was
25:25
agreed that Fred would find a teaching job in
25:28
Texas. He even applied
25:29
for his old position at the
25:31
University of Texas at Austin.
25:35
Once
25:35
again again, Fred was giving in
25:37
to Piper's every demand.
25:39
He
25:39
would really do anything for his
25:42
family. But the good times
25:43
never lasted long. On
25:45
January sixth two thousand
25:48
one, Piper moved out of the house and
25:50
moved in with her friend Lany. who
25:52
was getting divorce. Five days
25:54
later on January eleventh, Piper
25:56
called the
25:57
police and said that Fred had pushed her
25:59
into a
25:59
wall during an argument. She
26:02
had
26:02
a small cut on one hand,
26:05
but said she didn't think it was from the
26:07
argument when police showed
26:09
up. Fred told them that there had been a verbal
26:10
argument. Police asked the
26:12
kids who were witnesses, and
26:14
they said nothing physical happened.
26:17
Piper was adamant that Fred
26:19
had pushed her. She said that Fred
26:21
was definitely abusive and they could
26:23
ask her friend Mel. So
26:26
police talked
26:26
to Mel and Mel
26:27
said no, that was not
26:30
true. Fred was far from abusive.
26:32
A week
26:33
later, on January
26:36
eighteenth. Fred sent Piper an
26:38
email saying that he wanted to stay
26:40
together. He still cared about her
26:42
and missed her. He suggested that
26:44
they stay married, but live in
26:46
separate bedrooms while they saw a
26:48
counselor. He said he
26:50
would keep looking for a job in
26:52
Texas, If he couldn't find one,
26:54
he'd take Lee from the University of
26:56
Richmond in July and then move to
26:58
Texas with her and the kids.
27:01
It is unknown what Piper's reaction to this
27:03
email was. On
27:05
February fourth, Fred found out
27:07
that soon after their return from Richmond,
27:10
Piper had stolen his Mastercard
27:12
and ordered a Citibank card
27:14
with his information.
27:17
In thirty days, She had taken out
27:19
nine thousand in cash advances and
27:22
made nearly eleven thousand
27:24
in purchases. She
27:25
also transferred three thousand of
27:27
his paycheck to an account she opened
27:29
at a different bank. She
27:31
bought clothes, tennis equipment,
27:33
three
27:33
years' worth of hair salon
27:36
services, and seven thousand dollars in
27:38
prepaid moving expenses. That's
27:41
thirty thousand bucks in
27:43
two thousand one, which would be
27:45
about fifty grand today.
27:47
The
27:47
next day, February
27:50
fifth, Piper took
27:50
Jocelyn to a doctor's appointment and
27:52
then checked into a hotel with her kids.
27:55
She called
27:55
Mel and said that she was afraid Fred
27:57
would have her arrested.
27:59
On February
27:59
seventh, Piper and the kids were still in
28:02
the hotel. Piper told
28:04
Mel she thought the police were going to get her
28:06
at any time. And
28:08
then
28:08
Piper called her psychiatrist to cancel
28:10
her appointment.
28:12
The psychiatrist told her
28:14
that her actions were part of a
28:16
pattern of chaos. her
28:18
emotions
28:18
were out of control. He
28:20
wanted
28:20
her to take medicine for mood swings.
28:24
Later that day,
28:25
Piper went to file a restraining order
28:28
against Fred. She
28:30
said that on January eleventh, Fred
28:32
had been physically abusive. Hours after
28:34
filing the order, police
28:36
arrested Fred at the campus for
28:38
domestic violence.
28:40
After his release the
28:42
same
28:42
day day, a
28:43
defeated and probably very
28:44
embarrassed friend moved to
28:46
a motel while Piper and
28:48
the kids lived in the house.
28:52
On March eleventh, Fred went
28:54
to an emergency hearing and asked
28:55
for temporary custody. He said
28:57
the kids
28:58
were unsafe with Piper.
29:00
and the
29:01
judge agreed.
29:02
The next day, Piper
29:05
filed another report of domestic
29:07
violence against Fred. Then
29:09
she went home and took all the items she wanted
29:11
from the house, including
29:12
Fred's mother's piano, and
29:14
moved
29:15
into a townhouse.
29:17
Naturally,
29:17
she didn't tell Fred.
29:19
But Fred
29:20
still wasn't ready to give up. He
29:22
begged Piper to come back for
29:25
the kids. But
29:25
Piper said no. With
29:27
no other move to make,
29:29
Fred asked his attorney to file
29:30
for divorce on grounds of desertion.
29:32
On
29:33
March sixteenth, a judge lifted the
29:36
restraining order and let Fred move
29:38
back into the house. The judge
29:40
also rolled again that Fred
29:42
would have temporary
29:42
custody of their children.
29:45
Piper
29:45
later followed a cross complaint
29:47
asking for her own divorce.
29:49
She said
29:50
Fred was cruel and was
29:52
both verbally and physically abusive, and
29:55
she asked for joint
29:57
custody. At this
29:57
point, Fred was
29:58
caring for the children on
29:59
his own while paying Piper
30:02
over eleven hundred dollars in alimony
30:04
a month. he
30:05
needed more money. So when he
30:06
was asked to step in as the acting
30:09
dean, a job that
30:10
would come with a pay raise,
30:12
Fred said yes, and then he hired
30:14
a nanny. As the
30:16
year
30:16
went on, things with Piper continued
30:18
to spiral downward. and
30:21
Fred became more worried for his
30:23
safety. He created a new
30:25
will, saying that his brother Michael would get
30:27
custody of the kids. if anything happened to
30:29
him. He also installed a
30:31
security system, and
30:33
he
30:33
talked to the kids about what they
30:35
should do if their
30:37
mom came to take them away.
30:40
By then, the kids would have been
30:42
around the ages thirteen, ten,
30:44
and seven. Jocelyn and Paxton
30:46
had witnessed so much drama
30:48
from their mother over the years.
30:50
And
30:50
poor Cali, well,
30:52
she was more neglected by Piper than
30:55
anything. But imagine basically
30:57
explaining to your kids what
30:59
to do if their own mom
31:01
came to kidnap them. On
31:03
July eighteenth, Fred filed for
31:05
full custody. He was worried about
31:08
Piper's behavior. she
31:10
had been doing a lot of odd things, like sending
31:12
an email to a bunch of people,
31:14
including Fred and her son Paxton.
31:17
about an idea for a new type
31:19
of computer joystick that could
31:21
be used for sexual pleasure.
31:24
Other concerning behavior included
31:27
letting the kids cross a
31:29
foreign road by themselves to go to a
31:31
gas station. The list
31:32
went on and
31:34
on. Fred
31:34
was genuinely worried about
31:36
the children when they were with their mother.
31:38
He
31:38
needed full custody so he could keep
31:41
them safe.
31:41
In September,
31:43
the judge ruled that Fred would
31:45
have physical custody, but he and
31:47
Piper would both continue to have temporary
31:50
joint custody. The judge
31:52
ordered
31:52
a psychiatrist to
31:53
evaluate both to see who was
31:55
suitable to raise the kids.
31:57
As the months
31:58
passed, Fred continued trying
32:00
to be as cordial
32:01
as possible to Piper.
32:04
On January
32:05
seventh two thousand two,
32:07
A
32:07
hearing was over the psychiatry evaluations for
32:10
Piper and Fred. Dr.
32:12
Lee
32:12
Hagan, a psychiatrist
32:14
testified about the results.
32:17
He
32:17
Piper had ADD, bipolar,
32:20
disassociative
32:21
disorder, issues with
32:23
substance abuse or what he
32:26
called, a character disorder
32:28
because of her socially unacceptable behavior.
32:30
Doctor
32:31
Haggen said he leans more towards
32:33
a dissociative disorder and
32:35
said that Piper was hyper emotional and
32:37
might have
32:38
impaired judgment. But he
32:40
also said there was nothing damaging
32:43
about Fred. he
32:44
relied on tact and diplomacy.
32:46
According to
32:48
Catherine Casey, on March fifth two
32:51
thousand two, The
32:51
judge said that both Piper and Fred
32:53
love their children. However, the
32:55
animosity between them was potentially
32:58
detrimental to their children.
32:59
The
33:00
judge said doctor Javelin is more
33:02
of a peacemaker, more able
33:04
to bend. He
33:06
brought up that
33:07
Piper's own psychiatrist said Piper's
33:09
mental health improved while
33:10
Fred had custody,
33:12
which
33:13
is telling Piper's
33:15
mental health improved when she
33:17
wasn't responsible for her children.
33:20
It's
33:20
sad that
33:21
she could not accept
33:23
that. Because of
33:24
these reasons and others,
33:26
the judge ruled that Piper and Fred
33:28
would have joint legal custody.
33:30
but
33:30
Fred have permanent physical custody of
33:32
all three children.
33:35
Piper was inconsolable when she
33:37
found out. She
33:40
told her friends that Fred used his
33:42
expertise in communication to
33:44
manipulate the judge. She didn't
33:46
tell them that it was actually her
33:48
bizarre
33:48
behavior that caused the judge's decision.
33:51
Three
33:52
days after the hearing, Piper
33:54
emailed a forty two page document
33:56
to a
33:57
bunch of people, Fred knew. The
33:59
33:59
subject line was Jablin's
34:02
psychological profile. and
34:03
it was marked relevant if you have children
34:05
he supervises. The body of
34:07
the email
34:10
read After
34:10
serious consideration of the wider implications of
34:12
the attached court report,
34:14
I am forwarding
34:15
it to you.
34:18
she forwarded
34:18
was not an official court document.
34:20
It was just a word document, full
34:23
of lies,
34:24
that Piper's sister
34:25
Tina typed
34:27
up. She even listed
34:28
a bunch of fake credentials to
34:30
make the document look more official.
34:32
According to
34:34
according to catherine casey Casey, The
34:36
document was a direct assault on Fred Javelin's
34:38
character, morals, and ethics.
34:42
Tina wrote
34:42
that Fred was a narcissist,
34:45
He
34:45
didn't care about anyone but himself,
34:47
and he lacked empathy for
34:49
everyone,
34:49
including Piper and
34:52
the kids. Tina
34:52
wrote that Fred had violent and dangerous outbursts and
34:55
showed a calculated pattern
34:57
of intentional neglect. She said
34:59
that children were at a high risk for
35:02
psychological abuse. She read that
35:04
Fred frequently smoked pot and that he
35:06
had physically and sexually
35:08
assaulted Piper. He never
35:09
gave Piper any money or
35:12
affection and that Fred
35:14
hated children and never
35:16
wanted them. Tina wrote that Fred
35:17
beat Paxton and that
35:19
Jocelyn's psychiatrist said that since Fred started
35:21
caring for the children,
35:24
Jocelyn
35:24
had been bordering on anorexia and
35:26
suicide for months. This
35:28
is not what
35:29
the psychiatrist said. In
35:32
fact, he said the
35:34
opposite. Tina also added
35:36
that Fred
35:38
Beat Paxton. And
35:39
of course, she couldn't end without a racist comment
35:41
about Jewish people having
35:43
a persecution complex.
35:47
The document was
35:48
very damning to Fred's reputation.
35:51
He had to
35:52
make many embarrassing phone calls.
35:55
telling people who got the email that
35:57
it was all lies. But in
35:59
the end, Fred didn't feel that
36:02
was enough. so
36:03
he withdrew his name from
36:05
consideration from the permanent Dean's
36:07
ship. He
36:08
also told Piper that her actions
36:10
were detrimental to the children's welfare.
36:12
Yet still, over
36:13
the summer, Fred remained
36:14
as cordial as ever.
36:16
Even though
36:18
he didn't
36:19
legally have to,
36:21
Fred always
36:21
told Piper what was going on with the
36:24
children and what
36:24
their plans were. Piper
36:26
would
36:27
in turn fight
36:29
Fred on everything. Her
36:31
behavior had a profound effect
36:33
on the children. According
36:34
to the neighbors,
36:35
they became quieter, withdrawn,
36:38
and
36:38
less interested in playing with friends.
36:40
On July fifteenth, Piper
36:41
and Fred went to court to discuss the
36:44
document Piper sent out.
36:46
At
36:47
the hearing, Fred
36:48
asked the judge finalize His request
36:51
was
36:51
granted. Piper and Fred
36:53
were officially divorced.
36:56
Then Fred asked that he
36:57
be granted full permanent custody.
36:59
He said, I cannot
37:01
trust Piper's judgment.
37:03
This
37:03
email shows a person who does not know right
37:06
from wrong, has no moral
37:08
standards, will lie and
37:10
spread hatred. She does
37:11
not have the welfare of the
37:14
children at heart. The
37:16
judge
37:16
gave Fred full permanent
37:18
custody. and
37:18
limited Piper's visitation to twice monthly weekends,
37:21
holidays, and three
37:23
weeks of summer.
37:25
Following this ruling, Piper told a
37:27
friend, Fred torched
37:29
my village.
37:32
In
37:32
August, Piper
37:33
moved to Houston and started living
37:35
with Tina. She didn't
37:36
tell Fred she was moving. He
37:38
heard
37:39
about it from the kids.
37:40
Then Piper started
37:41
working as a guardian at Lydrum.
37:43
She was an attorney
37:45
in charge
37:45
of overseeing the best interests
37:47
of other people's
37:50
minor children, and divorce cases. Good
37:52
Lord,
37:52
the irony. Her
37:54
business cards
37:55
said that she had twenty years
37:58
of experience.
37:59
yeah, twenty years of
38:01
screwing up her own children's
38:04
lives. After she was
38:05
ultimately fired from being
38:08
a guardian, Piper
38:08
took a job working as a landman and the oil filled.
38:12
As the months passed,
38:13
Fred emailed Piper about the kids
38:15
and their activities.
38:18
once
38:18
appeared to be cordial.
38:20
That didn't last
38:21
long. By the
38:23
summer of
38:24
two thousand
38:26
four, Piper
38:26
was not paying child support. She was
38:28
over eight thousand
38:28
dollars behind at that point, close
38:31
to thirteen grand in two
38:33
thousand twenty two dollars. Even
38:36
though
38:36
she wasn't paying anything,
38:38
Piper
38:38
demanded that Fred pay to
38:40
fly all three children out to see her
38:42
in Texas. had
38:44
to do it. But
38:46
Fred knew
38:46
better. There was nothing in the
38:47
agreement stating that he had to
38:50
do that. so
38:51
he didn't. He
38:52
was finally standing up
38:55
for himself. That
38:56
had to feel
38:58
good. Despite his issues
38:59
with Piper, things in
39:01
Fred's romantic life were going well.
39:03
He had started dating a
39:05
woman named Charlene, and had
39:07
even introduced the kids to her.
39:10
He was moving on.
39:12
He
39:12
was finally happy again.
39:14
In
39:14
October two thousand four, Fred
39:17
and the children got ready
39:19
for Fred's favorite
39:20
holiday. By decorating the outside
39:22
of the house with a homemade
39:23
scarecrow, carved pumpkins and
39:26
sheet ghosts, For
39:28
Halloween
39:28
day, Fred had
39:30
plans to take the children
39:31
to a local farm so they
39:33
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Wednesday,
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October twenty seventh,
42:20
Piper told her boss she couldn't work
42:22
on Thursday
42:22
or Friday because she had
42:25
a continuing education class.
42:26
This was
42:27
a blatant lie. Piper wasn't
42:30
taking a continuing education
42:32
class. She did
42:32
have other plans though.
42:35
on the morning of October thirtieth, fifty two
42:38
year
42:38
old Fred followed his daily
42:39
routine, wake up at
42:41
six AM, put on the
42:44
coffee, and grab the newspaper from the
42:46
driveway. At six
42:47
thirty seven AM, Fred walked
42:49
out his back door to
42:51
grab the paper. Because it was still
42:53
dark outside, Fred could not
42:55
see
42:55
that Piper was waiting in the
42:57
driveway for him.
42:59
She ambushed
43:00
her ex husband, shooting and
43:03
killing him while their
43:05
children slept inside. Fred's
43:08
next door
43:08
neighbor, Bob, called nine
43:11
eleven to report three gunshots.
43:13
He told
43:13
the dispatcher that after hearing
43:16
shots, he looked out his window and
43:18
saw a shadowy figure running
43:20
left
43:20
to right across
43:22
his lawn. Police arrived in the neighborhood
43:23
and started searching, but they didn't
43:25
find anything.
43:27
At
43:27
seven AM, They
43:29
contacted Bob to tell him the
43:31
news, and Bob said he would take his dogs for a
43:33
walk when it got light out. And if he
43:35
saw anything, he would give
43:37
them a call. Bob and his wife were walking
43:39
the dogs by Fred's driveway when he
43:42
noticed something crumpled
43:42
up in the driveway.
43:44
the driveway His wife
43:46
said to go check what it was. It
43:48
was Fred.
43:49
He was lying in
43:50
his driveway on his stomach.
43:53
with his head
43:53
turned to the side.
43:55
He had
43:56
landed on a bed of leaves
43:58
and
43:58
a fetal position staring
44:00
toward the
44:01
street with his glasses
44:02
lying on the ground.
44:04
Bob turned to his
44:05
wife and told her to call
44:08
the police. It was seven
44:10
twenty five AM. The police came back and
44:12
paramedics
44:12
showed up soon after,
44:14
but it was too
44:16
late. Fred was dead
44:18
from two gunshot wounds.
44:20
Later, an
44:21
autopsy would show that the first of
44:23
two bullets entered from
44:25
the back. Piercing
44:26
Fred's lower right side. The
44:28
bullet did a lot of damage to organs
44:30
and was a fatal shot.
44:33
The second bullet entered Fred's right
44:35
arm and exited without hitting any vital tissues.
44:38
The killer most likely stood near the
44:42
garage, and waited for Fred to get his newspaper. Then
44:44
they approached him
44:45
and fired. No casings were
44:47
found at
44:47
the site.
44:50
weapon
44:50
was most likely a revolver.
44:52
Because no one knew where
44:53
the shooter was, it was unclear
44:55
if
44:56
the children were being held hostage inside
44:59
the house. SWAT arrived and
45:00
made their way inside
45:02
to rescue the
45:03
children. Just then,
45:05
fifteen year old
45:06
Jocelyn came out of her room.
45:09
confused
45:09
about what was going
45:11
on. Officers
45:12
escorted her out of the house.
45:14
Next,
45:15
they went to eight year old
45:17
Kelly's room and woke her. Then
45:20
they woke up twelve year old
45:21
Paxton. On the way
45:24
to a rescue vehicle, the
45:25
children were directed away from where Fredley
45:28
in the driveway. They
45:29
were taken to the home of a police
45:32
officer's family. The family lived
45:34
nearby, and the kids were on the
45:35
same soccer team.
45:36
Henrico County police quickly
45:38
got to work investigating Fred's murder.
45:40
They started searching
45:42
the sewer for the murder weapon.
45:45
to witnesses,
45:46
obtaining search warrants,
45:48
and swabbing for DNA.
45:50
Officers called for
45:51
its brother Michael to relay the
45:54
bad news. After the
45:56
initial
45:56
shock, he asked if
45:58
they considered Piper to be
45:59
a suspect. When officer
46:02
spoke with the neighbor, Mel,
46:04
she told them about Piper and Fred's
46:06
new girlfriend, Charlene. After Mel explained all the
46:08
things that had happened during the Javelin's
46:12
divorce, officers could see
46:14
why Michael asked if Piper was a suspect
46:16
yet.
46:18
Police interviewed Charlene who said
46:20
she had talked
46:21
to Fred the night before. They
46:23
talked about how Fred was going to let
46:24
the kids go to taxes for Thanksgiving, but
46:27
how he also had to email
46:29
Piper about money she
46:32
owed. Police
46:32
also spoke with the Javelin children. Jocelyn
46:34
said she had heard the shots, but
46:36
she didn't know what the sound truly
46:38
was so she went back to
46:42
sleep. All three
46:42
kids said their relationship with their father was
46:45
great.
46:45
There were no problems and
46:47
nothing unusual
46:48
had happened recently.
46:50
They
46:52
said
46:52
their mom had called in the night before to say she
46:54
was driving home from Galveston. After
46:57
hearing this information,
46:58
this information officers
47:00
wanted to obtain Piper's phone and bank records to
47:02
see if she was telling
47:03
the truth. They also
47:05
asked
47:06
Houston police to
47:08
go to Pipers and see if she was home. She
47:10
was
47:11
not. By eleven
47:13
AM, Henrico police had
47:15
Piper's phone records.
47:18
They found that she
47:19
had made calls from her cell that
47:21
bounced off towers in Richmond. She
47:23
made a call
47:24
at four thirty AM,
47:26
and it bounced off a tower
47:28
of five miles from Fred's house. Banoon, it
47:30
was used
47:31
in Norfolk, Virginia.
47:33
One and a half hours
47:34
later, it was used in Baltimore,
47:36
Maryland. With this
47:38
information, officers knew
47:40
Piper had flown
47:42
somewhere. So an officer drove to the
47:43
Norfolk Airport and found out that a
47:45
Tina Roundtree had flown out of
47:48
Norfolk at twelve
47:49
thirty PM.
47:52
That plane changed in Baltimore
47:54
and was going to land in Houston
47:56
at four thirty Central.
47:58
Henrico
47:59
called
47:59
Houston police and asked for officers to go to the airport with
48:02
pictures of Piper and
48:04
Tina. They needed to see which one
48:05
got off the airplane.
48:08
any
48:08
luggage until police had a warrant.
48:10
But the Houston police did
48:12
not find Piper Or Tina at the
48:15
airport. They were too late.
48:16
too late One Houston officer
48:18
headed to Tina's house to
48:20
see if Piper was there and another
48:22
went to Piper's house.
48:24
Neither were home. By
48:26
the evening
48:27
hours, police had obtained more
48:28
of Piper's cell phone records. These
48:31
showed that
48:32
at four forty six
48:34
AM, Someone checked messages on Piper's phone near Fred's
48:36
house. The tower was by a
48:38
bunch of hotels.
48:40
Police then
48:42
checked with those hotels to see
48:44
if Piper or Tina had been registered.
48:46
A clerk
48:47
at Homestead Suites said
48:49
that Attina Roundtree had a reservation
48:52
for last
48:52
night, but did not check-in. At
48:55
around nine
48:55
PM, Henrico
48:58
detective Kobe, Finally got
48:59
a hold of Piper.
49:01
She
49:01
immediately asked where her kids
49:04
were. Kelly said he
49:04
wanted to talk to her about that.
49:07
But first,
49:08
he asked about her divorce.
49:10
She said Fred
49:11
was physically abusive and then
49:13
changed the subject. She said she
49:16
wanted to come and get the kids because
49:18
she had custody.
49:20
No matter what detective Kelly said,
49:22
Piper
49:22
only wanted to talk about the kids. Kelly informed
49:24
her that
49:25
Fred had a will stating that the
49:27
kids would go to his brother,
49:29
not to her.
49:30
to her After hearing
49:32
this, Piper became
49:33
angry. She told
49:35
Kelly that she was their mother,
49:37
but before
49:38
she could continue, her phone went dead.
49:41
The next
49:42
day, detective Kelly arrived
49:44
in Houston with his
49:46
partner. They
49:46
met with HPD, and then
49:48
they all went to speak with
49:50
Piper. After tracking her
49:51
down, officers asked where she
49:53
was that weekend. Piper became
49:55
uncomfortable and
49:56
squirmed.
49:58
officers asked if
49:59
she was in Virginia on
49:59
October thirtieth and she said
50:02
no. One of the
50:03
officers later
50:04
said, he could tell that Piper was
50:06
lying. She
50:08
was slow to answer and was evasive. They
50:10
asked her where she
50:12
was on October thirtieth, and if anyone
50:16
saw her. She
50:16
said she was right here and
50:18
they asked in
50:19
this room.
50:21
room And
50:23
she said no. She was working
50:25
in Houston and Galveston. She couldn't give a clear answer on
50:27
where exactly she was working.
50:30
She
50:30
said she was all
50:32
over. Piper
50:33
said she was in her car driving from
50:36
Galveston when she called
50:38
Paxton. Police kept
50:39
trying to get Paxton to tell
50:41
them exactly where she was. She
50:44
finally gave in and said, she
50:46
was with a married man and that's
50:48
why she
50:49
wasn't being truthful. The officers reminded Piper that
50:51
this was a homicide investigation and she
50:54
needed to tell the truth no matter
50:56
how embarrassing
50:58
it was. And then
51:00
Piper changed her story. She had
51:02
been at Tina's house, but Tina
51:04
wasn't there.
51:06
Officers kept questioning
51:08
Piper. They
51:08
said if she gave them information, they could try to work something
51:10
out with CPS, with a mention
51:12
of getting to see her children,
51:15
Piper asked the officers if they had
51:17
talked to Fred's girlfriend.
51:20
She said they
51:20
had been dating for five years,
51:22
two years before the divorce.
51:25
that
51:25
Fred cheated on her a lot.
51:27
But of
51:28
course, she
51:29
hadn't noticed because she was too
51:31
busy caring for her kids.
51:33
Can you
51:34
hear my eyes rolling?
51:36
Knowing they
51:37
weren't getting anywhere, officers decided
51:39
to end the
51:41
conversation. Piper promised to call detective Kelly
51:43
at six o'clock that night, so they could
51:45
talk about custody of
51:48
the kids. she said she would provide
51:50
Kelly with the name of the married man she was with during the murder.
51:53
during the murder Now
51:54
the police headed to Tina's place
51:55
to talk
51:57
to her. They asked
51:59
if she had seen Piper on October twenty
51:59
ninth or thirtieth. Tina
52:02
was evasive. She
52:03
wouldn't answer
52:05
any questions.
52:07
Instead, she just kept asking
52:09
about the children. After
52:11
some time, Tina said she
52:13
would tell the officers where her sister was
52:15
on the twenty ninth and thirtieth.
52:17
but only
52:17
if they brought the kids
52:19
to Texas. They
52:20
asked where she was on
52:23
October twenty ninth, and if she
52:25
saw Piper, It was an easy
52:26
question, but Tina wouldn't
52:27
answer it. Again,
52:29
she said she was not going to talk
52:32
to them. then she
52:33
yelled at them to leave. That
52:35
afternoon, Piper told
52:36
detective Kelly that she didn't
52:38
want to talk
52:39
because she felt like she
52:41
was between a rock and a hard place.
52:43
He asked
52:44
if she felt like she was being accused
52:47
of anything.
52:48
She said she and needed
52:50
to figure out how to get her kids. They
52:52
agreed to meet
52:53
the next day at
52:56
nine AM. But
52:57
that meeting never happened because
52:59
Piper called detective Kelly and
53:00
said she couldn't meet him
53:03
due to
53:04
the thunderstorms. When the storms
53:05
passed, she asked her former boss
53:07
to tell the police that she had talked
53:09
to an
53:09
attorney in Virginia.
53:11
and they suggested
53:12
that she not talked to the
53:13
police as anything she said
53:15
could hurt her case.
53:17
What case
53:18
if she was innocent?
53:20
Her
53:21
custody case, I suppose. Fred did name his
53:22
brother, Michael,
53:23
as guardian of
53:24
his children, but still
53:27
it still
53:28
With the round tree sisters
53:29
not talking, officers kept
53:31
digging,
53:32
hoping they would find enough
53:33
evidence for
53:36
an arrest. They found that Piper used
53:37
a friend's account to purchase two
53:39
wigs at
53:41
Paris boutique wigs.
53:43
The whigs,
53:44
one red, the other blonde,
53:46
were long and flowing.
53:49
Police also noticed that the
53:51
same friend's debit
53:52
card was used on October twenty eighth
53:54
through the
53:55
thirtieth in the Richmond area.
53:57
One
53:58
of the purchases was at
53:59
CVS for makeup and a box of
54:02
small latex gloves.
54:04
They obtained
54:05
camera footage from places
54:07
the debit card was used.
54:08
One
54:09
tape from a seven eleven showed a woman who looked like
54:11
Piper wearing a blonde wig similar
54:13
to the one bought
54:15
on the website. On
54:18
November second, police found
54:20
that one of Piper's calls in Virginia
54:22
was to a Papa John's.
54:24
They
54:24
called the pizza place and asked if a person with the
54:26
last name of Roundtree ordered a
54:30
pizza.
54:31
They had It was
54:32
delivered to Homestead Suites to room one seventy one
54:35
on the twenty eighth. Police
54:37
went to Homestead
54:39
Suites and asked,
54:40
who rented room one seventy
54:43
one. The
54:44
manager on duty from that night said
54:46
it was a woman. She checked
54:48
in at nine fifty on the night of the twenty
54:50
eighth, under
54:51
the name Tina
54:53
Roundtree. Then, she asked to
54:55
change the name
54:56
on the register to
54:57
Geraldine Smith. The
54:59
woman
54:59
paced the lobby and looked
55:02
nervous according to the
55:04
manager. Officers showed
55:05
the manager a
55:07
photo of Piper. they confirmed that it was the woman who
55:09
checked in that night. She had been wearing a
55:12
hat, coat,
55:12
scarf, and sunglasses
55:14
even though it wasn't
55:17
cold out and it was nighttime.
55:20
Next, Henrico officers
55:22
found that
55:23
Athena Roundtree had called around
55:25
October asking if she could rent a car later that week
55:28
without a credit card. The clerk
55:30
said she
55:32
could, but she needed to bring
55:34
a driver's license and utility bill. This Tina asked to
55:36
reserve a car, but they said they only
55:38
rented on a first
55:39
come first served
55:40
basis. At
55:43
around five PM on
55:43
October twenty eight, this
55:46
Tina called the company
55:47
from the airport asking
55:50
them to hold
55:51
a car for her. When she got
55:52
there, the clerk noticed she was
55:55
clearly wearing a wig and
55:58
heavy makeup. After
55:59
handing
55:59
over her driver's license and
56:02
utility bill, Tina, since
56:04
she would
56:04
return the car on the thirtieth.
56:07
Police
56:07
showed the clerk a photo of Tina,
56:10
but the clerk didn't
56:10
think that was the woman they had seen.
56:13
Then officers
56:13
showed a photo
56:15
of Piper. and
56:16
the clerk was a hundred percent sure it was her.
56:18
Unfortunately,
56:20
the van had already been cleaned,
56:22
rented to someone else, and
56:25
returned back to the rental agency. The police still went through
56:27
the van to see if they could find
56:29
anything. They found one
56:31
piece of evidence.
56:33
a key
56:33
to homestead
56:36
suites. Meanwhile, detective
56:38
Kobe Kelly was still in Houston.
56:40
He
56:41
went to Tina's clinic and talked
56:43
to her medical assistant. He asked the assistant if
56:44
she saw Tina on the thirtieth. The
56:47
assistant said yes.
56:48
said yes Tina appointments
56:50
with patients until
56:52
twelve
56:52
thirty. At that time, she
56:54
got a phone call and left in a hurry.
56:57
Next,
56:58
eric Kelly
56:59
looked into the flights,
57:01
Tina, AKA, Piper, had
57:03
taken between
57:05
Houston and Norfolk. He
57:06
spoke with a ticket agent who checked Piper in for her flight
57:08
in Houston. The agent
57:10
remembered Piper
57:12
because, quote, she was a really
57:14
cute woman who was wearing a
57:16
blonde wig. Detective Kelly
57:18
showed the employee a photo of Piper.
57:20
and she confirmed that it was the woman she had seen. She
57:23
recalled that Tina was in a
57:24
rush. She needed to be on
57:26
the
57:27
next available flight to Norfolk. and
57:30
she had a gun to declare.
57:32
Tina hesitated when
57:33
the clerk told her the gun
57:35
had to be inspected.
57:37
She fumbled
57:37
around and finally got it out
57:40
and showed
57:40
that it wasn't loaded.
57:42
Then the
57:42
agent gave Piper forms to fill out.
57:44
and
57:45
called over a TSA agent to
57:47
inspect the
57:48
gun. Detective
57:49
Kelly talked to the TSA agent
57:51
who inspected the gun. He said
57:53
it was a revolver.
57:54
When shown a photo of Piper, he said he thought it was
57:57
Piper, but he wasn't sure. The
57:59
hair was different. the hair was
58:01
different Meanwhile, meanwhile
58:03
Piper got a hotel room to avoid
58:05
the police. She did
58:06
not fly to Virginia to attend Fred's
58:09
funeral
58:09
with her children. Instead, she went
58:11
to the volcano bar
58:12
and asked the bartender if
58:14
she remembered
58:15
seeing her on Friday, October
58:18
twenty ninth.
58:20
bartender,
58:20
Cheryl, said she thought
58:22
so,
58:22
but wasn't sure if it
58:23
was Friday
58:26
or not.
58:27
Piper said she needed to find the married
58:30
man she had been talking to that
58:31
night. Cheryl turned
58:33
to a group of people,
58:35
and
58:35
asked if any of them had seen
58:37
Piper. A man named Kevin said,
58:39
he
58:40
thought he remembered seeing her
58:42
and then asked why it
58:44
was important. Piper said that she
58:45
got a call from Virginia
58:46
police that her ex boyfriend had
58:48
been stabbed to death, and police
58:50
wanted to know
58:51
where she was.
58:54
Piper asked
58:54
Kevin for the best way to get a hold of him in case
58:56
she needed him to prove
58:58
where she
58:59
was. He gave Piper his
59:00
number and then she left.
59:04
A few minutes later,
59:05
Piper went back
59:06
inside the bar. This time,
59:08
accompanied
59:08
with Tina and two
59:11
men in business suits.
59:13
The man asked Kevin to sign
59:15
a statement and have it
59:18
notarized, so she
59:18
could prove she was there on Friday.
59:20
He said no. had
59:22
his number. If the police wanted
59:24
to talk, they could call.
59:26
Piper started arguing
59:27
with Kevin, but Tina told
59:29
her they
59:29
needed to leave.
59:32
Piper later
59:32
let detective Kelly know about
59:34
Kevin and the bartender Cheryl. She
59:36
said she was still trying to find
59:39
the married man who walked her
59:41
home. Kelly set up
59:42
a meeting with Kevin at the Volcano
59:45
Bar.
59:45
Kevin relayed the story
59:47
Piper told him about her
59:49
ex boyfriend
59:49
getting stabbed. detective Kelly
59:52
said it was
59:52
her former husband of eighteen years
59:55
who had
59:55
been shot. Kevin
59:57
then admitted that he wasn't
59:59
one hundred percent
1:00:00
sure he saw Piper at the
1:00:03
bar on Friday night. Detective
1:00:05
Kelly asked
1:00:06
the bartender Cheryl to check the tabs. Then
1:00:09
she
1:00:09
realized, Kevin hadn't
1:00:12
even been in the bar on
1:00:14
Friday. That meant he couldn't have
1:00:16
seen Piper. Then,
1:00:18
they figured out that Kevin and Cheryl were
1:00:20
both at the bar on Saturday night, and
1:00:22
that's when they had seen Piper.
1:00:25
She had gone to the bar the same day.
1:00:27
She killed her
1:00:30
husband. I'm going
1:00:32
to pause now. for a final commercial
1:00:36
break. After
1:00:41
the revelations at the volcano bar, police
1:00:43
found out that Piper asked Tina
1:00:45
to stay the night at her house on
1:00:47
the night of October
1:00:49
twenty ninth. This way, when a
1:00:51
neighbor delivering girl scout
1:00:54
cookies came by, she would think
1:00:56
Piper was
1:00:58
home. But Piper's plan
1:00:59
didn't work. The neighbor realized the person
1:01:01
who answered the door wasn't Piper.
1:01:03
This
1:01:03
woman
1:01:05
was bigger. Antina,
1:01:07
criminal that she was, parked
1:01:08
her car outside
1:01:10
of Piper's house.
1:01:14
On November
1:01:14
sixth, police met with a
1:01:16
friend of Tina and Piper's named Carol.
1:01:18
They had received a tip that
1:01:20
she knew something about the murder.
1:01:22
During their meeting,
1:01:23
Carol told the police everything she knew.
1:01:26
On the twenty eighth, the same
1:01:27
day Piper
1:01:29
left for Virginia
1:01:31
Tina
1:01:31
contacted Carol to say that she
1:01:33
thought Piper was going
1:01:34
to do something stupid.
1:01:37
Piper had
1:01:38
taken off with Tina's
1:01:39
driver's license and credit card. And
1:01:41
the week
1:01:42
before, she had gone to a shooting
1:01:44
range with Tina's boyfriend for practice.
1:01:46
Carol said
1:01:49
that on October thirty first, Tina called crying because
1:01:51
Piper had gone to Virginia and
1:01:53
killed her ex. Tina
1:01:56
went on to detail how she helped Piper
1:01:58
dispose of evidence,
1:01:59
including a purse and
1:02:02
a wig. Tina
1:02:03
put them in grocery bags and threw
1:02:05
them in two dumpsters, one at
1:02:07
a medical center, and one
1:02:09
at
1:02:09
a convenience store.
1:02:10
After Carol told Tina that the
1:02:11
dumpsters weren't safe, they
1:02:14
decided to retrieve the
1:02:15
bags. When they were done, Tina
1:02:17
dropped
1:02:17
Carol off
1:02:20
at work. And when she came back
1:02:22
to get her, the bags were gone from the car, and it had been washed inside
1:02:26
and out. Carol
1:02:28
said that
1:02:28
the next day she went to Tina's
1:02:30
house. While there,
1:02:31
Piper arrived. Carol
1:02:33
asked
1:02:34
Piper where the gun was
1:02:36
and she said she
1:02:37
didn't know. Then asked if either Carol or
1:02:40
Tina knew someone who could
1:02:41
change a hard
1:02:44
drive. Piper also asked Carol
1:02:45
to get rid of the
1:02:46
garbage bags in her garage and
1:02:48
to throw out the desktop, tower, and
1:02:52
laptop. Tina
1:02:53
suggested Carol take
1:02:54
her computer
1:02:56
too. After
1:02:57
she thought things over,
1:02:59
Carol started worrying. She
1:03:01
ended up contacting a lawyer who
1:03:03
told her to give the evidence to
1:03:05
the police. Instead,
1:03:06
she gave it all back
1:03:08
to Piper. Carol later
1:03:10
signed an immunity
1:03:13
agreement.
1:03:14
As the investigation went on,
1:03:16
Piper
1:03:16
called detective Kelly a few times to see how it was
1:03:18
going. He thought Piper was filling him out to
1:03:20
see if she was going to be arrested.
1:03:24
Piper was right
1:03:25
to worry. The prosecution
1:03:27
finally
1:03:27
felt like they had enough to charge Piper
1:03:30
with two
1:03:30
counts of unlawful use of a firearm.
1:03:33
and
1:03:34
first degree murder. They
1:03:36
made plans to
1:03:37
arrest her as she left a
1:03:39
custody hearing in Virginia
1:03:41
on
1:03:41
the afternoon of November eighth.
1:03:43
They
1:03:43
also obtained an arrest
1:03:45
warrant
1:03:46
for Tina for helping cover up the
1:03:48
murder. On November eight,
1:03:49
Henrico Police headed to
1:03:50
the Henrico County Court House where Piper
1:03:53
was attending the custody hearing.
1:03:56
The
1:03:57
judge ruled that the children
1:03:59
would stay
1:03:59
with their uncle and aunt until the
1:04:02
investigation into Fred's murder
1:04:04
was over. then
1:04:04
another hearing would be ordered. After
1:04:06
Piper left the
1:04:07
courthouse, officers followed her
1:04:10
and then pulled her over at
1:04:12
a stoplight. They boxed
1:04:14
her
1:04:14
in with four cars.
1:04:16
Piper was
1:04:17
arrested and taken back to
1:04:19
the police station. officers
1:04:20
knew she wouldn't speak to them, so they asked who her
1:04:23
lawyer was. She said her lawyer
1:04:25
was
1:04:25
Murray Genesis, a high
1:04:27
profile defense attorney.
1:04:30
Janice was called to the police station, and Piper never
1:04:32
talked to the police again. Back
1:04:36
in Houston, officers
1:04:38
were busy arresting Tina at her clinic. They brought
1:04:40
her back to the
1:04:41
police station. They
1:04:44
told her,
1:04:44
that if she helped them,
1:04:46
they might help her not
1:04:48
lose her
1:04:49
nursing license as well as help her
1:04:51
avoid possible jail
1:04:54
time. Tina said she wanted to talk to an attorney.
1:04:56
She refused to talk to the police further
1:04:58
and was later released on
1:05:02
bond. On November eleventh, a judge
1:05:04
ruled that Piper was not eligible
1:05:06
for bond while
1:05:08
awaiting trial. kids
1:05:10
from jail but got no
1:05:12
answer. She wrote them letters
1:05:13
instead. She wrote that
1:05:15
the police had told her she was cleared
1:05:18
as a suspect. and she didn't
1:05:20
understand why she was still in
1:05:21
jail. The children
1:05:24
eventually wrote their mother back and
1:05:26
talked about their
1:05:28
new lives.
1:05:29
Piper's trial began on February twenty
1:05:32
second two
1:05:32
thousand five. The
1:05:35
prosecution
1:05:35
said Piper
1:05:36
killed Fred. so she could regain custody
1:05:38
of the kids, stop making child
1:05:40
support payments, and probably, most
1:05:43
importantly, get his two hundred
1:05:45
thousand dollar life insurance policy
1:05:46
policy that she was
1:05:47
still the beneficiary of.
1:05:50
They said that
1:05:51
Piper planned the murder and then
1:05:53
covered it up.
1:05:54
The following timeline is what the prosecution
1:05:56
presented. On
1:05:58
October twenty eight,
1:05:59
Piper twenty eight
1:06:01
arrived in Norfolk. She
1:06:03
rented a van using Tina's ID and
1:06:05
utility bill and then
1:06:06
drove to Richmond. She spent
1:06:08
the next two nights in the hotel.
1:06:10
On
1:06:12
the morning of the thirtieth,
1:06:13
Piper drove to Fred's and
1:06:16
ambushed him in
1:06:18
his driveway. shooting him to death as their children
1:06:20
slept just inside the
1:06:22
house. Ninety minutes
1:06:23
later, she stopped
1:06:26
for gas. before she returned the van in Norfolk just after
1:06:28
nine AM. Then she flew
1:06:30
back
1:06:30
to Houston.
1:06:32
The
1:06:33
defensive strategy was to plant reasonable
1:06:36
doubt. They
1:06:37
suggested Tina was the
1:06:39
guilty party, not Piper.
1:06:40
No
1:06:41
one saw Piper pull
1:06:42
the trigger, and there
1:06:44
was no forensic evidence tying
1:06:46
her to the scene. No one
1:06:48
could say, that the cell phone pings
1:06:50
were made by Piper herself.
1:06:52
And everything
1:06:53
was Tina's name,
1:06:54
not Piper's. Piper was
1:06:57
too smart to leave behind so
1:06:59
many breadcrumbs.
1:07:02
Piper
1:07:02
testified that she did not kill
1:07:04
Fred. She also
1:07:05
said that she did not own a thirty
1:07:07
eight, but Tina did
1:07:09
Also, she said she didn't own
1:07:11
any wigs, but Tina
1:07:14
did.
1:07:14
And Tina
1:07:15
used her cell phone
1:07:17
all the time. When asked if she wanted
1:07:19
the jury to believe Tina was
1:07:21
the murderer, Piper said she
1:07:23
had no
1:07:23
idea what
1:07:26
happened.
1:07:26
On February twenty sixth, the
1:07:28
jury deliberated for less than an
1:07:30
hour before finding Piper Gilti, a
1:07:33
first degree murder. and
1:07:35
use of
1:07:35
a firearm during commission of a
1:07:38
felony. Piper
1:07:38
cried when
1:07:40
the verdict was read.
1:07:43
According to
1:07:43
her friend Lani,
1:07:45
she
1:07:45
truly thought she was going to be
1:07:48
acquitted. Next,
1:07:48
the jury
1:07:49
needed to make a sentencing recommendation
1:07:52
to the
1:07:53
judge. They recommended
1:07:54
the maximum, life
1:07:57
in prison. One
1:07:58
jury member said they
1:07:59
decided quickly They
1:08:00
didn't want Piper to come back into the lives of her children. They were
1:08:03
better off without her.
1:08:04
On
1:08:06
May
1:08:07
sixth, Piper
1:08:08
was sentenced to life in prison, plus three years.
1:08:12
In November two thousand
1:08:13
five, Tina took
1:08:16
a deal and
1:08:16
plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge
1:08:18
of tampering with evidence. She was sentenced to nine months, deferred adjudication,
1:08:24
a three hundred dollar find
1:08:26
and eighty hours of community service. She kept her license and
1:08:28
clinic.
1:08:28
kept her license and clinic
1:08:31
Piper later appealed her
1:08:33
convictions and sentences, both
1:08:35
of which
1:08:36
were
1:08:38
affirmed. Today,
1:08:39
Piper and Roundtree is
1:08:41
incarcerated at Flavanah Correctional Center
1:08:44
for Women in
1:08:45
Troy, Virginia. where
1:08:46
she has been extremely litigious,
1:08:49
suing her warden
1:08:50
and other prison workers
1:08:52
for various offenses, including supposedly
1:08:55
being deprived
1:08:56
of her bible. Tina,
1:08:58
always protective of her
1:09:01
baby sister, actually told reporters in
1:09:03
two thousand fourteen after one lawsuit that officials were scared of Piper
1:09:05
because she used to be a
1:09:07
prosecutor in Texas. Tina
1:09:12
neglected to mention
1:09:12
that Piper had been fired after
1:09:15
one year with the DA's
1:09:20
office. Swear. these two hair
1:09:22
brained criminals would be hilarious if we were not talking about the brutal murder
1:09:26
of Fred
1:09:28
Jablin. Father of three. You don't see
1:09:30
many mentions of the
1:09:30
Javelin kids in these more
1:09:33
recent
1:09:35
articles. Thank god. From
1:09:37
what I can tell, they
1:09:39
are all flourishing adults with different careers around the country. Hopefully,
1:09:43
as adults, They
1:09:46
moved on with their lives and are not settled themselves with a burden of maintaining
1:09:48
a relationship with
1:09:51
their mother in prison. not
1:09:54
after what she did to them. When
1:09:57
Piper was
1:09:58
convicted,
1:09:59
her high profile
1:10:02
attorney,
1:10:03
Murray Janice, announced that he would
1:10:05
not be representing her in any appeals and asked
1:10:07
the court to appoint a
1:10:07
public defender.
1:10:11
Virginia has some
1:10:11
different laws regarding parole, specifically
1:10:13
that once a prisoner turned
1:10:16
sixty, or has
1:10:17
served fifteen years
1:10:19
that could apply. Janice told the
1:10:21
press at the time of her conviction that he didn't believe
1:10:23
any parole board would
1:10:26
let Piper roundtree out.
1:10:28
He was
1:10:29
right. She is
1:10:30
exactly where she belongs.
1:10:32
Piper's first chance
1:10:33
at parole was in twenty
1:10:34
twenty when she was sixty. but
1:10:38
it was denied. The reasons
1:10:40
given were that her release would diminish
1:10:42
the seriousness of the crime and
1:10:45
the serious nature and
1:10:47
circumstances of the offense. Her next
1:10:49
chance at parole will be in two thousand thirty three when
1:10:51
she is seventy three years old.
1:10:52
yeah seventy three years old
1:10:55
This is the part of the episode
1:10:56
where I usually wonder
1:10:58
about the why,
1:10:59
but we
1:11:01
know why Piper did
1:11:03
it. Sure. Fred's
1:11:03
life insurance policy
1:11:04
would obviously be a
1:11:06
motive for a woman who
1:11:09
hemorrhaged money the
1:11:11
way she did. Although I seriously doubt
1:11:13
two hundred thousand would have even lasted a year in
1:11:15
her hands.
1:11:19
But I
1:11:19
think it's painfully obvious. Piper's motive was
1:11:22
really
1:11:22
revenge. She was
1:11:24
furious
1:11:24
she had lost
1:11:26
a thread. I don't even
1:11:27
think she wanted custody of her children,
1:11:29
and any real sense of
1:11:31
that concept. She had
1:11:33
never been
1:11:34
a real mother to
1:11:36
them. I will
1:11:37
say it is obvious she suffered from depression
1:11:39
and especially postpartum
1:11:44
depression. and
1:11:44
that is truly sad. But there
1:11:46
is a quote I've seen floating around the last
1:11:47
few years that
1:11:49
I feel strongly
1:11:51
applies
1:11:51
to Piper Roundtree.
1:11:54
Your mental
1:11:55
illness is not
1:11:57
your fault,
1:11:58
but it is
1:11:59
your responsibility. It's
1:12:01
a quote thrown around more
1:12:03
and more as we speak more openly about mental health issues, but it
1:12:06
is also true
1:12:08
legally.
1:12:10
both criminally and in civil
1:12:12
suits. Piper saw any
1:12:14
number of therapists,
1:12:18
including psychiatrists, over the years, and her victim went
1:12:20
to couples counseling
1:12:22
faithfully with her.
1:12:25
He
1:12:25
supported her. He
1:12:26
wanted her to get better. She
1:12:28
had much
1:12:29
more support and help than
1:12:31
many people get for their
1:12:33
mental health struggles.
1:12:36
Piper
1:12:36
knew what she was
1:12:37
doing. She knew right from wrong.
1:12:40
She
1:12:40
hurt her children. often
1:12:42
neglecting them for her own selfishness. She was a hateful, spiteful
1:12:45
woman
1:12:48
and she
1:12:49
is a cold blooded murderer. Fred
1:12:52
Javelin
1:12:52
was the epitome
1:12:54
of a nice guy.
1:12:57
He
1:12:58
had truly loved his wife.
1:13:00
Despite how emotionally abusive, not to
1:13:02
mention financially abusive, she
1:13:03
was to him.
1:13:07
Even after all she did
1:13:08
to him and said
1:13:10
about him and humiliated
1:13:11
him, Fred
1:13:13
always
1:13:15
remained and friendly to his
1:13:17
ex wife. He went above and beyond in communicating
1:13:20
with her
1:13:23
about their children. He always tried to
1:13:25
do the right thing. Fred just wanted
1:13:28
peace. He wanted to
1:13:30
make sure his
1:13:31
children were safe. and
1:13:34
he
1:13:34
wanted to move on with his
1:13:36
life with a
1:13:37
woman he cared about and
1:13:40
one who finally cared about
1:13:42
his feelings and treated him with love and respect.
1:13:45
Instead, he was
1:13:47
brutally shot
1:13:48
down by his
1:13:50
ex wife. in his
1:13:51
own driveway as their children
1:13:53
were sleeping inside
1:13:56
his
1:13:56
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