1:08:11

and

1:12:00

start playing around with it yet and end

1:12:02

it leads to a lot of surprising new

1:12:04

ways to shake up the game yeah

1:12:06

the with we do non traditional approaches

1:12:09

all the times we find a lotta weird

1:12:12

potential that other or that

1:12:14

other players can't do it because

1:12:16

they just don't have that versatility also

1:12:18

my favorite thing about niekro by far is

1:12:20

that were independent we are of marry

1:12:22

me we have our own clothes economy

1:12:25

yeah agent gibbs this money or commander

1:12:27

give this action cards or hero gives

1:12:30

us more money and tech

1:12:32

and acts in cards yeah that stuff

1:12:34

we just get right on okay i don't

1:12:36

need to do a bunch of trades with everybody

1:12:38

else to have stayed

1:12:40

to economy level money

1:12:43

at the end of the game i just have it

1:12:46

for mean if you can manage your spending

1:12:48

and you can you know you could you

1:12:51

could potentially survive in a matter that

1:12:53

just doesn't care about trading ship just

1:12:55

because you manage your spending

1:12:57

is you kept up with how many

1:12:59

planets you need to

1:13:02

spend your money correctly and you just

1:13:04

get to win the game is

1:13:06

cause even in a know trading world but

1:13:08

what's fascinating about all of that is you

1:13:10

are not like excluded

1:13:12

you can do the trading like you

1:13:14

can be a negotiator

1:13:16

with these tech things it's like eating

1:13:19

at a suits your style whoever

1:13:21

whoever you are there's a way that

1:13:24

you can play niekro you can be a deal

1:13:26

making aca you could run agenda faces

1:13:28

like you can just be the person that

1:13:30

walks everybody through what should and shouldn't happen

1:13:32

even though you have no votes in control here

1:13:35

by your your stuff can push people to

1:13:37

vote and not vote rights and you see all the time

1:13:39

of people choose not to focus don't want to give access

1:13:41

to some tech yet or whatever price

1:13:43

or it's fascinating to me that niekro

1:13:46

games can just sit in their corner

1:13:48

and niekro games can be the dominant

1:13:50

presence at the table and both his

1:13:52

work perfectly it's

1:13:55

also just interesting because we

1:13:58

because of our command token advance and

1:14:00

because we don't have to pay

1:14:02

for heck yeah like it's weird

1:14:05

tech is like expensive at the beginning of

1:14:07

the games were having to commit a ship

1:14:09

on the chance we have to spend a token

1:14:11

the even try to get the texture

1:14:14

a thin at the end of the game suddenly tech is the cheapest

1:14:16

thing in the world the just cos killing a fighter

1:14:18

i mean that's all we're talking about really you know

1:14:22

that kind of value proposition

1:14:24

you panic into the flow of it the more you

1:14:27

play niekro you can get like us

1:14:29

are i i'm i'm i'm ahead of schedule

1:14:31

arm behind schedule the all kind

1:14:33

of comes down and in round three

1:14:36

and then from there you know into round

1:14:38

for and round five niekro is just a very

1:14:40

fast independent personal faction

1:14:42

do that can find a win in

1:14:44

a lot of situations i don't care what's going on

1:14:47

right the seawall qualifiers and even

1:14:49

know how to play most of martin literally baby

1:14:52

as as they literally were died be a lot

1:14:54

of i'm i heard i heard a lot

1:14:56

of i'm where'd i peace as the mommy gotta

1:14:58

change them i heard that he

1:15:01

was we gotta do as

1:15:19

okay hundred we've already had just

1:15:21

so much to say monochrome we haven't even

1:15:23

actually talked about like strategies

1:15:25

and getting into the nitty gritty of

1:15:27

this facts and i'm very excited for it was

1:15:30

start with as

1:15:32

we always do strategy cards and

1:15:35

i see some a prayer out of from to

1:15:37

the injured i to lead things off round one

1:15:39

i frequently take warfare for myself

1:15:41

especially if i can set up a control deck

1:15:43

discourse and i usually follow politics at least

1:15:46

round one and keep the good card plus

1:15:48

aging away the bad one early on a can

1:15:50

be tempting to research more tokens

1:15:53

i don't usually do that round one unless

1:15:55

spend three tokens is my point you

1:15:57

need to catch up on plastic more

1:15:59

it's a and i see new or niekro players fall

1:16:01

into too often the benefit for niekro

1:16:04

is you don't have to spend resources for tech

1:16:06

you spend it on better plastic the tax

1:16:09

and tokens com later yes

1:16:12

i am i really agree with this overview and i think it's

1:16:14

good to establish this is like

1:16:17

i agree with this and that as the logic

1:16:19

behind my recommendations when it

1:16:21

comes to ah i'm gonna say

1:16:23

this is a very early game centric strategy

1:16:26

card as always we resorted

1:16:28

talking about round one into we talk

1:16:30

about a strategy cards at this point

1:16:32

in the guide i want to go

1:16:34

through i'm i'm sorry but

1:16:37

leadership first alex go through i'm in in

1:16:39

in order to sticky but kind of random

1:16:41

yeah i'm i would say that leadership is

1:16:43

like kind of a middling round one for us

1:16:45

i'm tokens are good but really

1:16:48

it only helps for following extras

1:16:50

like construction and politics and

1:16:53

yelled diplo yeah or something like that

1:16:56

i'm kind

1:16:58

of unnecessary i feel like most of the time

1:17:00

to take leadership by

1:17:03

i would rather take it knowing

1:17:05

somebody else is gonna take diplo than like take

1:17:07

diplo yeah for exam right given i'm saying

1:17:09

like we're going to get more valid because if

1:17:11

somebody takes diplo were all follow and diplo right

1:17:14

yeah and also one of the nice

1:17:16

things about playing as niekro

1:17:18

is that because we do not do

1:17:21

the secondary of tech most

1:17:23

of the time when you play any other faction in the game

1:17:26

you your to strategy tokens

1:17:28

are on average gonna be an ideal

1:17:30

world without when resistance secondary

1:17:33

of warfare secondary of tap right

1:17:35

there is a kind of of those are the things we come back

1:17:37

to over and over that is a million little exceptions

1:17:40

or whatever last i get into at but that's kind

1:17:42

of the ideal yeah right who

1:17:45

niekro you're never going to be doing the secondary

1:17:47

of tech yeah so we already

1:17:50

are sorta up a token in strategy

1:17:52

right but you know

1:17:54

if we're late and were late in the order and

1:17:56

there's a lot a juicy stuff on are not leadership's

1:17:58

on and another thing never good i'm just saying

1:18:00

like if a little bit lower than it would

1:18:02

be i think for maybe some

1:18:04

other factions yeah

1:18:06

i'm

1:18:07

ah diplo i feel like i've already covered

1:18:09

it in talking about leadership it's like kind of just

1:18:11

right behind leadership

1:18:13

it it's worse trade it's always been worse

1:18:15

trader arm and for

1:18:17

your niekro it's no different we are

1:18:20

at least they a or were

1:18:22

for resource home system planet

1:18:24

yeah meaning that it's nice to be able

1:18:26

to spend off secondary warfare

1:18:28

and then refreshed and spend again with some

1:18:31

other high resource planet so that's not

1:18:33

bad at a bad situation i feel like the other

1:18:35

factor here to would basically just

1:18:37

be if the objectives

1:18:39

dictate it right like niekro

1:18:41

because of that ruff round one sometimes

1:18:44

you're taking what you can

1:18:46

to do that objective and if it's like

1:18:49

spend eight influence and aaron a mere

1:18:51

happens to be the system next to your home system like

1:18:53

i that's what we're doing that with were

1:18:55

throwing around one so we're gonna flip aaron a mere

1:18:57

and we're going to get our to trade goods off of our

1:19:00

agent and that's where ready to score

1:19:02

that point and then every all other effort is

1:19:05

spent on like getting good expansion

1:19:07

outside of that but that best in my mind the

1:19:09

only reason diplo really happens is of like it

1:19:11

or it activates point scoring basically

1:19:14

right in one game you never want to play i

1:19:16

think as niekro is in the early game

1:19:19

or not taking the best strategy

1:19:21

card because it

1:19:23

might have good in a situation where you'll i gotta

1:19:25

help me score but are also help other people

1:19:27

here were at niekro you want to take

1:19:30

that because you don't have you don't have

1:19:32

that early game momentum

1:19:34

anyway so if your help and other people onto the

1:19:36

scoring realm one boat that's fine just make sure

1:19:38

you're on that boat for you to pass them

1:19:40

later this who it we were has no plans

1:19:43

them later if you start the game

1:19:45

being all let's all be nice and in

1:19:47

and help each other now i had him later

1:19:50

is when you're like i don't want to be nice anymore have

1:19:52

enough plastic now to say i'm taking this

1:19:54

tech over here i'm just having that for i

1:19:56

don't care if you want to retreat or whatever politics

1:19:58

okay around one the a little cautious

1:20:01

okay and i love the idea

1:20:03

of trying to take gusto audience as

1:20:06

niekro by a couple things about

1:20:08

it we're not very good at

1:20:10

as we've got a bad start so and and

1:20:12

without gravity drive which weird absolutely

1:20:15

not guaranteed round one judd that is not

1:20:17

humor car hard we're

1:20:20

just not super great app tit

1:20:22

also i'm round one custodians

1:20:25

probably not happen with happening with us i'm

1:20:27

the only thing i really like about it is that we're getting

1:20:30

like action cards but beyond

1:20:32

that i don't really care i'm generally

1:20:35

speaking after around one after the early

1:20:37

game ice i tend to play a lot of

1:20:39

speaker control with niekro i think it

1:20:41

goes neatly with their lack of agenda

1:20:43

feasibility yeah so basically

1:20:45

i'm always taking politics

1:20:47

round to round three around for around

1:20:49

five whatever i

1:20:51

can just say it's all right all the

1:20:53

agenda the going to be stupid so i'm not gonna get

1:20:55

hurt by mutiny or whatever and

1:20:58

because i'm niekro i'm trying to just

1:21:00

get lots of point momentum or

1:21:02

which means i can focus on stuff i

1:21:05

like speaker control or at least hopefully

1:21:07

as the idea five a put politics is

1:21:09

like a cautious round one pick

1:21:11

and probably a low priority over

1:21:13

all right arm construction

1:21:16

i would say is also low priority however

1:21:19

i like to note that frequently with niekro

1:21:22

because of that one extra token i got and

1:21:24

strategies i tend to follow something

1:21:26

like construction as niekro because

1:21:28

i'll say like hey i've got the extra

1:21:31

guest list as gamble on structure

1:21:33

objective coming out for i don't normally

1:21:35

play that way maybe if i'm white had com and i'll

1:21:37

play that way it's but his neck or i feel like

1:21:39

i'm not fall when tech maybe i should

1:21:42

just plop down a pdf yeah see

1:21:44

what happens you know yes

1:21:45

he is rare those who actually need to

1:21:47

take construction and plenty off and to

1:21:49

with this kind of thing where if you're six pick

1:21:52

and nobody else took it like they're literally might be

1:21:54

a better option than construction because

1:21:56

that on louis don't need it or whatever i'm

1:21:58

obviously what i think are describing

1:22:00

is in this new ideal term narrows

1:22:03

macro has replace the

1:22:05

technology secondary with the politics secondary

1:22:07

right like we really just like to get the

1:22:10

axe and card and and do things that

1:22:12

way and get to esther bucks you know it's almost like

1:22:14

having malice they if we do the politics

1:22:16

second or so that's of a bit of a replacement

1:22:18

for us i guess i'll bet

1:22:20

that it's deftly not is as like it's

1:22:23

not that the politics secondary as

1:22:25

as essential as following tags for

1:22:27

now they're they're not they're not as locked

1:22:29

in in that way doesn't do we need to take construction

1:22:32

now yeah ah it if someone else

1:22:34

it's construction or i'll follow up

1:22:36

some trade let's talk about trade obviously

1:22:39

this is the ideal start almost

1:22:41

always is the ideal start right it's especially

1:22:43

great for us because of this get out

1:22:45

more plastic which is what we want to do and

1:22:48

it gives this money we can use to pay

1:22:50

people to not retreat in order to get early

1:22:52

as one of as yeah that's

1:22:55

good the problem is warfare

1:22:57

the next hard to talk about which will to talk about

1:22:59

now is more important and tech

1:23:01

thrive in a rare integration hunter

1:23:04

is first and foremost recommending

1:23:06

warfare to the detriment of trade

1:23:08

or we need someone to take it you know

1:23:11

if we have to take it ourselves and we have to take it ourselves

1:23:14

and i would encourage people that

1:23:16

are trying to play against niekro

1:23:18

to force them to take it yeah

1:23:21

okay right at something i would say in a little

1:23:23

taste of what a vs niekro episode

1:23:25

could be like i'll sum it all up there

1:23:28

round one magnus make niekro

1:23:30

take warfare time that eight are very one

1:23:32

don't really need it and he and this is true of anybody

1:23:35

else who's like warfare dependent to nobody

1:23:37

wants to be the want to take it and there's somebody maybe

1:23:39

at your table that kind of actually

1:23:42

probably needs it and you should just make

1:23:44

them do it right arm

1:23:46

and then let's talk about his or technology

1:23:49

or which i would put as better than leadership

1:23:51

because it's better to go last than it is to go

1:23:53

first yeah generally speaking

1:23:56

but you know is this your

1:23:59

at the point where you could pick heck maybe

1:24:01

trade or warfare is also available

1:24:03

and those are more higher priority is

1:24:06

so rare that trick is even available to you

1:24:08

it's third or fourth pick or when

1:24:10

writer so what what graduation or even talking

1:24:12

my your city though to go to the the ever

1:24:15

present argument i feel like you see it less

1:24:17

now which is thankful i think it's been a bit solve but

1:24:20

there was always this push and pull of white

1:24:22

suit niekro want the other people

1:24:24

to research tanker should you restrict and the

1:24:26

answer is like unequivocally let the

1:24:29

tax running over let's

1:24:31

get let everybody gets hacked take tech

1:24:33

of like don't let rounds happen where nobody's taking

1:24:35

tech if you're six pack and it's round

1:24:37

for and is not something better yeah

1:24:39

tic tac get that tech on the board said

1:24:41

you got more stuff to nibble later and that

1:24:43

is nick basically true around one as well

1:24:46

if for some reason of us people are taking tech it's gonna

1:24:48

go down smooth yep speaking

1:24:50

of tech that is our next section and

1:24:53

i hope will be got his seat

1:24:55

belt on this because

1:24:58

obviously a difficult section

1:25:00

yeah this guy we could talk about literally

1:25:02

every single now tech in the game

1:25:05

they are all possibly relevant in

1:25:07

a game as niekro virus because we

1:25:10

don't have pads you don't deal with with

1:25:12

padding we just we've just acquire

1:25:15

to we've jokingly had an episode in multiple

1:25:17

galactic council polls that are just niekro tech

1:25:19

communists we could spend a whole to

1:25:21

our episode just talking

1:25:23

about the to tax you have your valla

1:25:26

far as on

1:25:27

it that the problem before skip so

1:25:30

i'm going to just try and talk very fast

1:25:32

and go through all of this so i

1:25:34

would say if you listen on double speed maybe turn it

1:25:36

down forces ah

1:25:39

and have kids that we might we we might be going too

1:25:41

fast speeds are

1:25:43

i blu tack a thought about

1:25:45

it i'm it's all good get all of it was

1:25:47

have it all yeah there's not a single bluetec he shouldn't

1:25:49

get his get all of it i'm obviously

1:25:51

gravity drivers first and then

1:25:53

the rest of them gauss at the

1:25:55

end of that part greentech get

1:25:58

by with them because free lightly

1:26:00

bios and of gonna combo with something else

1:26:02

yeah okay also neural

1:26:04

goes decently with everything else

1:26:07

we got going on said sure know there's not a good reason

1:26:09

not to really i'm just go for

1:26:11

it other green tech may whatever

1:26:14

is not really anything that like sticks

1:26:16

out of me obviously psycho was useless

1:26:18

yeah right we don't really get anything out a psycho

1:26:21

because we don't need those like skippy type stuff

1:26:24

yeah i'm yellow tech alec

1:26:26

predictive and i like span length or

1:26:28

because the great late the great early

1:26:30

you're the type of thing of like stanley especially

1:26:32

is kind of great because you're saying all

1:26:35

right well of this objective comes

1:26:37

up i'm gonna be good at that okay

1:26:39

i can to help you acquire some extra attachments

1:26:42

of you need to predict it was pretty much just

1:26:44

always good of he can get that i predict

1:26:46

it's funny to though i will know we we haven't

1:26:48

driven home a point we use drive home more

1:26:50

which is like this is a command counter faction

1:26:53

right you'll you'll just have all your from encounters on you're bored

1:26:55

by the end of the guess which makes predictive

1:26:57

funny because in some ways that you know

1:26:59

predict was useful i can move stuff all over the

1:27:01

place but the other sense it's like listen

1:27:04

i like maxed out my fleet capacity i have

1:27:07

four tokens and strategy and then i have a bunch

1:27:09

syntactic like i'm actually completely fine

1:27:11

on tokens but that doesn't mean you'd like

1:27:13

to have that late game mix up

1:27:15

of like exactly what you're doing or even just to do the

1:27:18

blasts right throwing and strategy

1:27:20

wait wait wait and then predictive

1:27:22

into the tactics to than be ready for everything else

1:27:24

or whenever i think it's all good tech by i

1:27:26

do think especially stand length is

1:27:28

juicy because again we have like extra

1:27:30

command tokens we can burn spins

1:27:32

of scam like in ways that a lot of other factions

1:27:34

are like i said i afford that right now

1:27:36

you can probably afford the stanley yeah

1:27:39

i mean i'm not going for a cold water on predictive

1:27:42

it's it's really good at and and

1:27:44

your yeah we have a little bit of a token advantage

1:27:46

but it's not it's not all the

1:27:48

tokens airbag the one i go spend

1:27:51

every single planet but like you you can

1:27:53

you can start digging for roulettes at the end of

1:27:55

the game if that's the route you have in front of you

1:27:57

or whatever

1:27:58

yeah i'm okay read

1:27:59

the idea of useless ah

1:28:02

but it it's funny to get it late game after you have a been

1:28:04

the unit upgrades because you just get like a bunch

1:28:06

of money on delivering assessed

1:28:08

by maybe do that says it's hilarious and you'll

1:28:10

have there are there will be times niekro where

1:28:13

you just acquiring tech yeah it's a have

1:28:15

more temperate you don't need it for anything you're

1:28:17

just like why i gotta get more wild i guess i'll just

1:28:19

get that yeah and it's protect that's the red tech everybody

1:28:21

else has a lot of red tech

1:28:24

people don't get and you're trying to get at least

1:28:26

two and four colors right so you're just like i guess

1:28:28

it's a i devon plasma i guess

1:28:30

i hope we have one else got something bright

1:28:33

eyed to rainy i'm is good it's

1:28:36

you're you're actually facts and i can utilize

1:28:38

it and we got the flagship met combo

1:28:41

where we can use his arm and of course we're

1:28:43

going dreads we're gonna get all the plastic out

1:28:45

there may be there are no plastic relieved and how

1:28:47

you can have it all armed assault

1:28:49

can and is a frequent hero pick are

1:28:52

just as a tax on some damage our and honestly

1:28:54

think it's like some great tech

1:28:57

yeah it's just like the hero sometimes

1:28:59

doesn't really have anything useful to do

1:29:01

integrated isn't gonna matter

1:29:04

in this particular game the la times

1:29:06

assault can and seems like something that

1:29:09

will give you just a little bit more juice

1:29:11

and you might be able to utilize it a couple different

1:29:13

ways you know i can do that over here could use it over

1:29:15

here all if you get three ships in the system and

1:29:18

then suddenly it's helping me

1:29:20

so easy to justify your i'm you're

1:29:22

getting attacked at the start of combat

1:29:24

like before anything else as even fired off

1:29:26

as with the assault and is offering you it's just a little bit

1:29:28

more things and i would also know in

1:29:30

terms of that hero i mean plenty often

1:29:33

like we just described sometimes read tech is

1:29:35

just completely lacking and your hero

1:29:37

is need to get a red tagged because i

1:29:39

will not fish for the other one might

1:29:41

as well be assault came in at this point yeah

1:29:44

because a idea of doesn't work for us and people

1:29:46

don't frequently even researched rainy

1:29:48

i'm we kind of just will end up

1:29:50

in a situation where we need to fill out or

1:29:52

two and four right we are we always

1:29:54

want to end up with to and for if we can help that

1:29:57

yeah i'm just in case that were to happen

1:29:59

the canal

1:30:01

heated up grades are they're all on the menu

1:30:03

i mean if somebody's got one use it abbott to

1:30:05

yeah there's not a unit upgrade i don't want

1:30:07

for i obviously in a vacuum

1:30:09

were talking about dread tumor talk about carrier to

1:30:11

but i'm not going to shy away from

1:30:13

anything in particular somebody got a stock

1:30:15

to i'll get it sure why

1:30:18

not like i don't get why i wouldn't want

1:30:20

it and that may endanger tournament

1:30:22

wasn't your turn to we get there was a game where it

1:30:24

was two people got space up to around

1:30:26

one in it was fascinating it was incredible

1:30:29

to watch it was what am i

1:30:31

more favorite games that to ever watch or with of the

1:30:33

family remember i can remember any it's not

1:30:35

a good i'm not saying played soccer with

1:30:37

a good i'm just saying like you're

1:30:39

living in a world where it you know

1:30:41

your tennis just checking box is using

1:30:43

organ own yeah you just really

1:30:45

that's the problem with the sexiness you're gonna get all

1:30:48

the tech it's what's what are you need to get right

1:30:50

away like eat us like a grammy drives

1:30:52

probably like cruiser to or whatever right of fat

1:30:54

solve like an issue round one or two

1:30:56

and beyond that it's like get every

1:30:59

single thing that you have near you

1:31:01

and sickly i like spider to a

1:31:03

lot of niekro because that's exactly

1:31:05

the type of versatile utilities and

1:31:07

we can kind of be like okay suddenly i've more

1:31:09

ships that can move to more system thelma

1:31:12

more stuff we're just occupy are

1:31:14

empty systems i kinda like stuff like that

1:31:16

with them on but yeah i mean just

1:31:19

get it all and get it in in the good

1:31:21

order that makes sense of like starting with carrier

1:31:23

to are starting with dread to would ever or

1:31:25

a kind of going from there are facts and tax obviously

1:31:27

this is the one that could be an entire episode i'd

1:31:30

chosen a handful but

1:31:32

the talk about every single one of them i put them into

1:31:34

four categories and it doesn't include

1:31:36

all of them are i am just just things that i

1:31:38

think are worth talking about the very quickly

1:31:41

a micro episode of the entire so

1:31:43

my first category are unit

1:31:46

upgrades we're going to get a lot

1:31:48

of i'm yeah if the facts and sub unit upgrades

1:31:50

we probably want those those are up there i

1:31:52

feel like almost every single niekro game ever

1:31:55

played or i've ever seen one

1:31:57

of the valla far tax or

1:31:59

used or wanted a special unit upgrade

1:32:01

yeah okay so super dread to advance

1:32:03

carrier to saturn engine to

1:32:06

strike wing alpha to exo triremes

1:32:08

who have that the never thought in their loud much anymore

1:32:10

hell titan to hybrid crystal fighter

1:32:12

to these are like good advantages

1:32:15

that are neatly gonna go along with basically any

1:32:17

strategy that you have yeah okay

1:32:19

said just going to enable you to do more stuff i

1:32:22

feel like the biggest thing here is there are essentially

1:32:24

at this point fact syntax that sometimes

1:32:26

a faction gets unless niekro

1:32:29

is in the game right something like floating factory

1:32:31

to you don't see often anyways

1:32:33

and are hacker was in the game sars like i'm

1:32:36

not going to have that there are the other fast

1:32:38

syntax that are so good for

1:32:40

the facts and put that has them

1:32:42

they will researched them even if it gives it to

1:32:45

niekro and that if that means if they're

1:32:47

willing to do that that means it's a great

1:32:49

suited upgrade for you like bar just by existing

1:32:51

it's it's good enough for them

1:32:54

to research said that they want you that

1:32:56

they want to give you access to it as well that's how good

1:32:59

saturn and into sorry that's how good hybrid

1:33:01

just the finer tooth are basically a

1:33:03

max category is what i'm calling game breaking

1:33:06

tax these are some that if you get them

1:33:08

it's going to just be a major problem and that easy

1:33:10

just always get them as like a no brainer the

1:33:12

meiji on implants is number one you

1:33:14

hate when that happens right when i'm

1:33:16

not niekro that is when i am macro my

1:33:18

i will were doing a real nasty and we're to

1:33:20

sorrow quantum data

1:33:22

hub node obviously very weird gonna break

1:33:25

the game going to make it weird there's two of us out

1:33:27

here out here trading strategy guards

1:33:29

oh no ah mirror

1:33:31

computing oh we now got thirty

1:33:33

trade goods we just get all the way

1:33:35

that the lot of value of mass

1:33:37

nothing cleanest once i lay everything else has

1:33:40

like a few feet mini game you

1:33:42

have to play everything else you're reading made young quantum

1:33:44

your battery more than a like this this activates

1:33:47

twilight imperium many games at

1:33:49

least near computing is like that

1:33:51

as much pleasure doing business with the men sec thank you for

1:33:53

the free money let's go both know about our day

1:33:55

we can just exist separately from

1:33:58

each other any

1:34:00

did you nasty stuff non euclidean shielding

1:34:03

we even opened the episode a long time

1:34:05

ago back an hour and a half ago we

1:34:07

open to talking about how y'all spend a whole

1:34:09

day talking about non euclidean

1:34:12

shielding and how bogus it is yep

1:34:14

i'm he read on ago

1:34:17

when you ever read and so does del mar and you just

1:34:19

activating each other just printing money it's

1:34:21

insane hated insane and

1:34:24

then i did put floating factory to and

1:34:26

game breaking texts not that star whatever

1:34:28

research yeah but if sar

1:34:31

wanted to troll the game

1:34:33

right they could we could get growth they wanted

1:34:35

to make a deal with the devil and by the way your the

1:34:37

devil yeah it's a great way to get a heat

1:34:39

off a sars back i will say that much is

1:34:41

an excellent but i think you do make

1:34:43

a thing so powerful you cannot stop

1:34:46

it it's really

1:34:49

hopeful you took construction so that it's i

1:34:51

know make some yes it's also down because

1:34:53

you get screwed over by objectives with lawyer factory

1:34:55

to summer even sure it's that smart right

1:34:58

side okay and then here's

1:35:00

our third category i'm calling this great utility

1:35:02

that just works rothys are like i think special

1:35:05

to us yeah utility tied soft

1:35:08

i'm so no field is going to help you

1:35:10

lock up the when slay it's nothing

1:35:12

it's great saying it it's a thing

1:35:14

i'm salvage operations is going to help

1:35:16

you sneak in a few more trade goods

1:35:18

and round five hour which me really

1:35:20

potent to tie the only thing people can do against

1:35:22

states he kind states to

1:35:25

niekro saying he's the train cut you

1:35:27

off trade wise and keep you from getting any more

1:35:29

trade goods and you can just gonna keep acquiring

1:35:31

those who wormhole generators going to

1:35:33

help you just open up some weird opportunities

1:35:36

in the last round eighth or stream is

1:35:38

going to give you an imperial in a way to get

1:35:40

people plus home i know he says really

1:35:42

dumb yeah neuro

1:35:44

glaze which i feel acknowledge doesn't really exist

1:35:47

that much anymore is like saying

1:35:49

that if you picked it up to be super annoying

1:35:51

the everybody chaos

1:35:53

mapping it's hilarious for you because it's kind

1:35:55

of like weird slayer all

1:35:58

the time obviously

1:36:00

it's weird dahmer asteroid fields

1:36:03

because now nobody is getting to activate them

1:36:05

at all i'm hollow lattice

1:36:07

works real weird when you got

1:36:09

it to i don't forget about the production

1:36:11

of can the only reason i wanted as macro

1:36:14

ah i'm and there's others to

1:36:17

that this is the sex in that we could just go on

1:36:19

forever about arm and

1:36:21

in the last section is sad dumb ones

1:36:23

that are means that we can just laugh

1:36:25

and and i are a dimensional tear

1:36:27

to that one syllable a cannot

1:36:29

believe that that we had to actually

1:36:31

include a component the onus

1:36:33

of the game those niekro

1:36:36

dimensional tear tokens what

1:36:38

a joke bright i can't believe

1:36:40

those are even if i can't believe that we

1:36:42

can get his veto those include

1:36:44

a if you get dimensional tear to

1:36:46

as niekro i don't know what your

1:36:48

problem here okay he had be

1:36:51

clear know sap yeah it it

1:36:54

it's yeah i'm certain that occurs your space

1:36:56

stocks and gravity rid of that you then have

1:36:58

to roll for you don't get to go know

1:37:00

what are what hang on that it is okay to missile there to

1:37:02

the system is about of your ships do not role

1:37:05

for this gravity or oh yeah that is a will

1:37:07

learn more here to what it does make the board

1:37:09

looked like an absolute nightmare it is horrible

1:37:11

like it's still horrible but it's not as

1:37:13

many as that think yeah

1:37:15

you're right nora out okay okay fine

1:37:18

powder before taxes dumb because you did

1:37:20

it taps or you that you can do anything with it

1:37:23

he does he have it yeah back as

1:37:25

literally all you can do you can just give it back

1:37:27

right after it you did it and

1:37:30

then of course memoria to we already talked about

1:37:33

a dumb guess what he

1:37:35

did you know that no man can just sell you a card

1:37:38

that gives the memorial to write me why are you

1:37:40

fucking it off without the cavalry

1:37:43

i rarely use the alas or a

1:37:45

memorial to in the same combat

1:37:47

near a stupid whatever are

1:37:49

i are done talking about tech okay because

1:37:51

there was that there was no hope for that section

1:37:53

anyway let's get into

1:37:55

some matter stuff we've we've come

1:37:57

on this and lot of all he said like

1:38:00

you could just play macro

1:38:03

not interacting with other people and you

1:38:05

would have such a tight economy and you would be a windowless

1:38:07

of and you could just be the person who comes in nibbles on them

1:38:09

every once in awhile but i

1:38:12

feel like the big breaking moment was the

1:38:14

be the tortoise not the hair as say that really

1:38:17

like sort of showcased

1:38:19

the polite neck row that gets to

1:38:21

be a part of the game and what does that look like

1:38:24

yeah so let's talk about being nice

1:38:26

for tat in the early game so

1:38:29

we want to make sure that we're munching

1:38:31

on and like a smaller ship

1:38:33

the destroyer a cruiser i'm

1:38:36

at belongs one of our neighbors in order

1:38:38

to get attack and we don't want

1:38:40

to frustrate as the thing that's

1:38:42

the key here a lot of like

1:38:45

priests people being good at niekro

1:38:47

place was about being like

1:38:50

to some rude yeah in the early game

1:38:52

acting as if niekro is some sort

1:38:54

of power house the early game they are not okay

1:38:57

because you know combat advantages a huge

1:38:59

yup you're not better at this you just have to do

1:39:01

it if you just have to do is so

1:39:04

so try not to frustrate your neighbors are

1:39:06

talk to them about the ship

1:39:08

that you might nibble be like i'm thinking about

1:39:10

nibbling over here pocket

1:39:13

through with them they have an incentive

1:39:15

to actually help you out because

1:39:18

they're not gonna want you to say

1:39:20

no you're gonna have to attack somewhere

1:39:23

right in order to minds they

1:39:25

don't want you over committing

1:39:27

right in order to get that much enough because of you

1:39:29

say to them up say let's let's math out real

1:39:32

quick so you're a niekro neighbor and

1:39:34

niekro says hey i'm going to need to munch

1:39:36

obviously that a pick up some tech and then

1:39:38

you say no i don't want you to pick

1:39:40

up any tax know attacking my

1:39:42

destroyer over here i don't want you do

1:39:45

have done nothing the neck was gonna say oh

1:39:47

well then that means that i will lose

1:39:49

unless i commit to attacking you like

1:39:52

outright read proper like

1:39:54

moving my dread not a started with

1:39:56

her hundred oaks you don't you don't have to win this

1:40:00

oh so it does make sense for

1:40:02

you to be into hit me

1:40:04

to be like okay and then you have the conversation

1:40:07

discuss where it's gonna happen

1:40:09

okay to make niekro should

1:40:12

have to pay for know or treat your

1:40:14

that's just the thing as the retired of neck

1:40:16

rose i see knackered are here not

1:40:19

just acting like the ones that give you suffer

1:40:21

free they don't that you say

1:40:23

it's it's a back and forth we both we

1:40:25

both got to give a little people in

1:40:27

order to make this work so pamphlet trouble

1:40:30

or right there lose and ships as though

1:40:32

they lose nothing grayer they're losing a

1:40:34

ship you pay i'm not retreat

1:40:37

and then you pick up that tech and i think that's just

1:40:39

kind of the bait like in in the abstract

1:40:41

that's what you're doing yeah we've

1:40:43

already talked with promissory notes bad don't

1:40:46

do it support partner were good

1:40:48

like kind of boat for a ride or die type

1:40:50

badger in a lot of joan ours

1:40:52

and neck rose if along pretty well

1:40:54

for facts and the supposedly society each other

1:40:57

because of all the blowing each other up and stuff that

1:41:00

we're definitely like an attractive support partner to

1:41:02

that means whenever you all swap

1:41:05

what you're saying is oh well niekro

1:41:07

is really an act of talk to me about acquiring

1:41:09

any a my tech yeah i'm gonna have

1:41:12

betrayed advantage on any tech

1:41:14

acquiring stuff and remember

1:41:16

you know is acquired second the agenda phase the of

1:41:18

the prediction token to have any support

1:41:21

swapping doesn't even necessarily mean that you're

1:41:23

never gonna get an opportunity of that tacked

1:41:25

on the niekro side that as a but it's

1:41:27

an attractive your unattractive partner yet

1:41:29

as as just gonna how neck or

1:41:31

all the special if you wanna start talking about

1:41:33

at around three what i like to do is maybe do

1:41:36

it with a neighbor which is not never like my favorite

1:41:38

but with neck roxana like to say something like hey

1:41:41

you've got this tech i really want to get it and

1:41:43

you kind of just make it real easy

1:41:45

for me to get the sack and then we support spot

1:41:48

and then you not worry about me anymore or just we

1:41:50

are not keep having this conversation and

1:41:52

a lot of people say yes to that they'll be like okay

1:41:54

so i let you get this one this like the last

1:41:57

one the you really need for a made up and then

1:41:59

you can focus on

1:41:59

people have

1:42:00

ended up being a you know an

1:42:03

attractive opportunity for them right thumb and

1:42:05

also don't forget about the alliance pretty good depends

1:42:07

on the facts and you're trading with though i'm

1:42:10

obviously project maracana has a completely

1:42:12

different context and it does for anybody else

1:42:14

yeah but yeah i mean it's i think

1:42:16

it's worth some money or like

1:42:19

in a huge you know another

1:42:21

middling alliance i

1:42:23

feel like there's no arts and the game and you are playing with

1:42:25

a john arne maybe they student wife swap with the i

1:42:27

think it's kind of equitable sesame do it early

1:42:30

that is i'm obviously the later you

1:42:32

weigh on your alliance the less

1:42:34

it is in fact worth of keep

1:42:36

that in mind the voice well but

1:42:38

even then outside of that we don't really have like

1:42:40

a billion tradable or whatever we're just

1:42:42

a good economic faction

1:42:44

that can kind of play the games for the rest the your mehta

1:42:47

is you're getting plastic

1:42:49

on the board and choosing how

1:42:51

the how and when to flex that to

1:42:53

basically or saving it up for around five right

1:42:55

but like i think so much to especially

1:42:58

i feel like and competitive like of i'm not played a lot

1:43:00

of niekro myself and if anything i

1:43:02

feel like they don't even end up in my games too often

1:43:05

but i see that in competitive play all the time and

1:43:07

it's always a player

1:43:09

sitting in the corner to me like there are the early

1:43:11

deals and there's there's some talking through stuff but

1:43:14

it is interesting to me how much of like rounds

1:43:16

three and four can just be niekro

1:43:19

that nobody will know plastic waiting

1:43:21

who get ready get ready and like you just

1:43:23

don't have you don't to be a part of the

1:43:25

rest of the table talk more or less yeah

1:43:28

see i knew good excluded from a lot of a big yeah

1:43:30

i'm in your net you're an independent money making

1:43:32

machine broke it's about getting your plastic

1:43:34

on the board so the you can project or

1:43:37

your influence that way but

1:43:39

let's talk about victory points for talk about how

1:43:41

how do we assemble had is that how does the math

1:43:44

work out more niekro scoring

1:43:46

points or talk about to so audience and bonus points

1:43:49

up first yup i'm so we got kind of

1:43:51

a slow start not really have

1:43:53

control over how we get tech him early game

1:43:56

and i just means you've got a tough time with the city and says no

1:43:58

the no real way around exploration

1:44:01

bonus points are definitely on the table

1:44:03

and we want to get those as much as possible

1:44:06

but you know it's not like those are just gonna automatically

1:44:08

come up in every game but just remember we have a strong

1:44:10

man counter economy so we

1:44:13

get the kind of invest a little bit

1:44:15

diversified portfolio

1:44:17

a little bit if you got money by

1:44:20

fragments i like they're like different

1:44:23

philosophies that i've that i have depending on

1:44:25

which faction and playing some factors i'm like health

1:44:28

care about gambling with neck or i'm

1:44:30

a bit more of a gambler than i normally

1:44:32

out because like i consider it like

1:44:34

a whole section of the game

1:44:37

that's normally sucking up everybody else is money

1:44:39

that is tech yeah i just don't play that

1:44:41

game right and i'd worry about it so

1:44:43

what am i going to do with that extra juice well

1:44:45

i'm going to invest in structures i'm going to invest

1:44:48

in a scam lang syne

1:44:50

getting more attachment i'm going to invest in

1:44:52

buying fragments yeah i'm obviously

1:44:55

we don't get any any agenda face points

1:44:57

what we can actually wouldn't get seed but it has

1:44:59

the work out so

1:45:01

i do want to say i think of said it like twice

1:45:04

now with a sailor third time right now so

1:45:06

politics and watch those

1:45:08

agendas yeah hit me in the out of their

1:45:10

don't want to happen yeah i would know in this

1:45:12

stuff to of there's

1:45:15

gonna be a reason not to like pushed too hard on this but

1:45:17

we've talked a lot about the flagship we talked a lot about the home

1:45:19

system defense like if

1:45:22

you can get those bonus points early

1:45:24

that's also not that big of a deal and you

1:45:26

can win from ahead you're a faction that print

1:45:28

pretty good at that at your as on hard for you

1:45:30

to get ahead eggs hard for you to get away with

1:45:33

definitely don't do the thing i see people do especially

1:45:35

in tournaments of where we get like cheeky and clever

1:45:37

and we sandbag opportunities you

1:45:39

should just go for them like if if imperial

1:45:41

is on offer to you in stage two

1:45:43

or three or whatever and it's gonna be

1:45:45

as you can take a mac at all and get that bonus

1:45:47

points i don't see many

1:45:50

reasons not to and of putting like wage what he

1:45:52

or plastic out of the way right but beyond that

1:45:54

at least get bonus points when you can get them don't

1:45:56

be afraid i'm

1:45:57

right you're a great like round three

1:45:59

the imperial pit yeah thats

1:46:02

like the ideal situation for yeah

1:46:04

yeah i'm author let's talk about sage once

1:46:06

so a the tech stage ones

1:46:08

we actually love the i'm just not round one

1:46:11

around to case early

1:46:13

game it's hard late mid

1:46:15

game it's easier and late

1:46:17

game it's very easier job

1:46:19

so we have the kind of like get set up for

1:46:21

these we don't want to see him and the flop ah

1:46:24

we definitely want to see to of on we don't see

1:46:27

through into colors and to unit upgrades

1:46:29

as the first to the most people hate that

1:46:31

anyway right i know narrow and anglia

1:46:33

early speaking let you know it's so

1:46:35

annoying for sure i hope i don't have to explain

1:46:37

to the point that economy states

1:46:39

ones are easy p the

1:46:41

lemon squeezy but they are you just get

1:46:44

on the appeared not hard for you to figure

1:46:46

out i'm not even going to explain it's he had this point

1:46:48

if you if you're this foreign in the episode need on our

1:46:50

economy points are easy for neck growth and

1:46:52

i've already done such a bad job and i suppose

1:46:54

fired nice and even allowed the allowed

1:46:56

to be here any more yeah i'm control

1:46:59

objective than attachments if we project

1:47:01

enough plastic power weekend really

1:47:03

title lock those in a place but we don't have

1:47:05

that plastic power starting off the dancer

1:47:08

who we want to get that's why you know

1:47:10

go back to would deem jet i was saying i

1:47:12

in the pre aurora we wanna fix

1:47:14

our plastic situation first year that

1:47:16

unlocks all of our other advantages

1:47:19

so ships and infantry

1:47:21

and ships an infantry that's

1:47:24

the goal right if you get that plastic

1:47:26

situation pretty good to honestly

1:47:29

i think control objectives are the best thing

1:47:31

that can happen to enact pro player because

1:47:33

at least in like both floaty matters

1:47:35

what is the thing a lot of us do when this is

1:47:38

awkward control deck is where we're sort of dame been around

1:47:40

each other that is the perfect

1:47:42

opportunity of hey if you just leave that

1:47:44

the story behind though like you know you're gonna get

1:47:46

the plants and then i'm in a given to you and we're going to do this

1:47:48

pretty little planet swaps and if he leaves the

1:47:50

destroyer behind all to have take

1:47:52

off the tech and we don't have any funny business

1:47:54

later and you just like get a boost to

1:47:56

that early game tech in the process

1:47:58

of doing something all

1:47:59

that's going to do anyway if you're projecting

1:48:02

that plastic power they don't want

1:48:04

you to take the control objectives by force

1:48:06

so you offering it up on a silver platter

1:48:08

and saying if you make it worth my while by getting

1:48:10

the syntax we can do an objective swap

1:48:12

here and

1:48:15

i just want to mention again predictive

1:48:17

and scam length are useful

1:48:19

tactic that are worth getting in

1:48:21

the early game even if they are an option

1:48:24

to you and a lot of times but

1:48:26

they they will come up damn

1:48:28

in our day to i obviously depends on who your neighbors

1:48:30

are but they are not like the most

1:48:33

uncommon to i would say scanlon can predict

1:48:35

of are the most com and yellow ten rioters research

1:48:37

arm so i mean although people

1:48:40

can only research blue these days because the

1:48:42

that stupid podcasts that

1:48:44

of research has structures

1:48:46

and plastic objectives i've already talked

1:48:48

about how i like to gamble on structures the eyes

1:48:50

of are strong cc autonomy and we

1:48:52

can always ten a pivot i like to gamble

1:48:55

i think it's worth it i think we have the

1:48:57

gas to do it spend the tokens

1:49:00

don't be

1:49:01

don't just save

1:49:02

up all of your tokens this niekro

1:49:04

because the whole point here is that

1:49:07

we're going to snowball that it's good

1:49:09

to invest in the other avenues

1:49:11

as well we want to get ahead in it as many ways

1:49:13

as possible starting around like round three round for

1:49:15

right i think this is true of any retraction basically

1:49:18

any rich factions the advantage

1:49:21

your richness grants you is

1:49:24

leaning into the chances that some of these objectives

1:49:26

come up whereas other people are like do i spend this

1:49:28

token on pack or concern

1:49:30

since when you're rich your luggage i could do

1:49:32

construction because like the tech is sort of already solved

1:49:35

or whatever there's no reason

1:49:37

not to hope these

1:49:39

other objectives come up and be ahead on them

1:49:41

if if prior if structure objective comes

1:49:43

up and round for and you already qualify

1:49:45

for it's you probably didn't lose any plastic

1:49:47

position in the process and that's the sign

1:49:50

of a great game set aside

1:49:52

message to victory points tech

1:49:56

or we love both of them we love to

1:49:58

and four colors we love that objective the

1:50:00

only law into and

1:50:02

four colors or niekro is

1:50:04

that sometimes there are

1:50:06

not to and forty hours available

1:50:09

on the subway or it's and

1:50:11

everybody knows that and people won't researchers

1:50:13

yeah it's not even that his name that

1:50:16

people are block at it they just a dolly how the

1:50:18

main from that point forward now they want but

1:50:20

what's hilarious though is you still have a hero

1:50:22

as long as you're only down one the

1:50:24

telly down and out there somewhere body can't

1:50:27

just go get it though get it

1:50:29

and and you don't remember you just have this have the

1:50:31

plastic him assists of yep the only ones

1:50:33

as sorry on the planet okay

1:50:35

just park near bots actually saw somebody

1:50:38

at risk lima zulu i might be wrong because

1:50:40

asked lima recently use the niekro

1:50:42

heroes to clear a planet that he

1:50:44

then invaded and i just wanna say

1:50:46

that was you squeamish good job before somebody

1:50:48

else sorry i credited it squeamish

1:50:52

i'm economy sage

1:50:54

to his i love that

1:50:56

we can use a mixture of action

1:50:58

cards and our hero to just kind

1:51:00

of pull the money out of the how i've

1:51:03

done that quite a few times as niekro

1:51:05

it comes up pretty often

1:51:08

where you just surprise i have more money than

1:51:10

you thought i did yup i'm a

1:51:13

won a game recently by hollywood

1:51:15

and the entire final round about

1:51:18

being able to make enough money

1:51:21

off of my hero

1:51:24

in order to win the game that my

1:51:26

opponents didn't know that my

1:51:28

hero was going to give me for trade goods they just

1:51:30

overlooked it i'm sure they have some point

1:51:32

new this but it just wasn't fresh on their minds

1:51:35

and i just met the whole time pretending that i wasn't

1:51:37

gonna win and waited for them all the path and then

1:51:40

my eyes action was to use it and then when the game

1:51:42

show that's that's just the

1:51:44

thing here you have you have a

1:51:46

lot of money that people might not

1:51:48

know about basically almond that's

1:51:50

a very good i can a game to play with the stage

1:51:53

to control and attachment

1:51:55

stage to either hard for anybody

1:51:58

but hopefully we acquire it's and punchy

1:52:00

tax yep in round three and round for

1:52:03

a now we can use those to punch our way

1:52:06

into the big time hopefully

1:52:08

we used our hero to acquire

1:52:10

that delicious integrated economy the

1:52:12

best get the best act and the game young best

1:52:14

game and attack pattern has

1:52:16

sex with game as x the i mean the

1:52:18

big thing about the control thing here is you have to put niekro

1:52:21

at the top of this list of people that are good

1:52:23

at control objectives because a lot of

1:52:25

factions can get carrier to

1:52:27

and lightwave not a lot of factors can

1:52:29

get carrier to lightwave cruiser

1:52:31

to a and all their

1:52:33

max on the board and integrated or

1:52:35

whatever right like that early the sheer value

1:52:37

of com both didn't you read to

1:52:39

can be thrown into that right like you you can just

1:52:42

have the ability to get

1:52:44

to places most people don't

1:52:46

have a friend and a lot

1:52:48

of factions that can be introduced into the game that improve

1:52:50

upon you you can copy their improvements

1:52:53

for most of them like the only bonus

1:52:55

you don't really get is like foot stream

1:52:57

from ghosts right you won't get that much extra

1:52:59

movements but you'll get a sir stream you'll get all

1:53:01

the other stuff so you

1:53:04

really do have very good odds of getting most

1:53:06

control objectives and

1:53:08

then lastly structure stage

1:53:10

to use plastic states is are

1:53:12

obviously plastic staged is very

1:53:15

doable very and are zone

1:53:17

very up our alley again

1:53:19

as costs a gamble on structures people have your plants

1:53:21

that grow gamble on structures is not

1:53:24

a reason to not do it as as

1:53:26

the states to of having like your

1:53:28

flagship above mack at as such

1:53:30

an insult to the rest of the table dislike

1:53:33

absolutely rude for

1:53:35

other for her niekro to have access to allow

1:53:37

on the app some let's talk

1:53:39

about secrets act and phase

1:53:41

secrets of course are awesome

1:53:44

because of our tech versatility we can

1:53:46

pivot into a lot of these

1:53:48

at any point we can pivot into i

1:53:51

the other the other day i was playing as

1:53:53

nectar i think was in the same day maybe it was a game

1:53:55

before i was playing as echo

1:53:57

on i drew ah fleets

1:54:00

turn their fleets the death and i did not have ptsd

1:54:02

you and i said no problem hours and

1:54:04

i got it around i figured

1:54:06

it out though i love any

1:54:09

acts in phase secret objective as

1:54:11

obviously they're the best secret objectives available

1:54:13

before niekro a lot

1:54:15

of beautiful stuff you can do with

1:54:18

pretty much any action fazer so yeah

1:54:20

get those keep i'm save

1:54:22

him up if it into them last minute

1:54:24

you some weird hollywood stuff where you don't

1:54:27

have destroy your to but you've had the a

1:54:29

of be secret the whole time and now

1:54:31

it's all you need laughed and you go in

1:54:33

and you pick up story or two and then immediately

1:54:35

scored or whatever you still

1:54:37

weird fun stuff like that to to

1:54:40

and of lock your game up tech

1:54:42

secrets obviously super easy

1:54:45

as important note that there is a special

1:54:47

note with the facts and tech the great

1:54:49

you do have to actually use of

1:54:51

allah far on to facts and tech

1:54:53

in order to get that secret control

1:54:56

always doable with the right neighbors

1:54:58

are with with the right technology neighbors

1:55:02

just a yeah i mean

1:55:04

up i'm trying to think of if if there are any

1:55:06

secrets that i don't like as niekro

1:55:08

and i got absolutely nothing belittling

1:55:10

he elected in the agenda phases

1:55:13

not i burial site of now ideals

1:55:16

a silver an ideal is still

1:55:18

doable it's not that it's not doable but

1:55:20

yeah it's tough i would say even in that situation

1:55:23

that if if you are

1:55:25

and this dessel been but maybe a neat crossover

1:55:28

point here see if you are

1:55:30

ahead tempo wise with niekro

1:55:32

which is not the easiest thing to do you should try and figure

1:55:34

that out round two round three should figure that

1:55:36

out once you get that tempo

1:55:39

ahmad we are speaker game

1:55:41

he always we are not let

1:55:43

it disfigured hogan is not going past sauce okay

1:55:46

which means of i got sick politics or

1:55:48

in round three and round for whatever

1:55:51

i don't care okay i'm but

1:55:53

it's also just good to see agendas

1:55:55

to set up for stuff like then the agenda

1:55:57

phases like a place it's hard for suited

1:55:59

to extract value but if we

1:56:01

set ourselves up or it then

1:56:03

suddenly we're getting extra attack and x

1:56:05

for action cards in the agenda face

1:56:07

palm and we would like that i'm

1:56:11

talking about locking it up and winslow stuff

1:56:13

or flagship is the most effective

1:56:15

unit a locking down a home system in the game

1:56:18

i would say get a forward that the ideal

1:56:20

situation if you want to talk about using it off and

1:56:22

sibley defensively it's pick up fling

1:56:24

right get a forward doc fab

1:56:27

your flagship do offensive stuff from the

1:56:29

forward doc in the early game and and sling

1:56:31

it back in the late game yeah okay so

1:56:35

that they got access that's what i dot

1:56:38

com i guess in summary we

1:56:40

got a slow start and we can get jumbled

1:56:42

by bad see i once and maybe that's what

1:56:45

happened in all of this qualifier games right i know

1:56:47

that are bad stage once we don't get to

1:56:49

sodium a lot of the time so that's another

1:56:51

problem break you have you ever wonder why my heart

1:56:53

is so good it's because they get custodians

1:56:55

alaya android at the end game

1:56:57

of the it's not a get loose met my heart

1:57:00

is though like has the one thing niekro

1:57:02

is lacking basically was a

1:57:04

good early game

1:57:06

i mean ideally

1:57:08

he would be something like in round one

1:57:10

rural setting up were staying

1:57:12

in the pack we score around one

1:57:15

in the mid game we take imperial

1:57:17

a some point we sneak out a little bonus point

1:57:19

or double up on stage once whatever we gotta

1:57:21

do and then we keep control

1:57:24

of speaker and have a good position

1:57:26

in that round five the up and die

1:57:28

and we can't get when slade rail

1:57:30

there we go we are we're kind of the on

1:57:32

wins label one that's the stereo

1:57:35

aspect here is not only as our ouster

1:57:37

protecting our home system and and hard to wins

1:57:39

like but to also talk about

1:57:41

if you to figure out your bonus

1:57:43

points problem the round five

1:57:45

scenario is usually well

1:57:48

macro can either score the states to

1:57:50

or the stage one and find a when

1:57:52

they're at mine and they can get to ten or

1:57:55

eleven both viable or whatever

1:57:57

stake in activate their support partner

1:58:00

losing support to still score the states

1:58:02

to to win that's the kind of like

1:58:04

by our have a really strong late game

1:58:06

is used you stay on tempo

1:58:09

and then that accelerated tempo

1:58:11

mean you can exceed the

1:58:13

power of other factions to do weirder

1:58:15

stuff and and i think that's a big part of

1:58:17

what niekro can do it's not uncommon

1:58:19

for an actress it's target their support partner

1:58:22

because they actually have more points

1:58:24

than necessary to win the game here

1:58:28

good facts and and i don't care

1:58:30

what the data right now that

1:58:32

are on

1:58:35

a now i've been here hunters got his own

1:58:37

data and is like so

1:58:40

many so many wins and and in cycling

1:58:42

albert own as he has a cowboy data

1:58:44

as better agata in my guts

1:58:46

or ice i men you know mark

1:58:48

and around the desert or

1:58:50

a long time now them wander in the desert

1:58:53

maybe and maybe these are lifers just

1:58:55

are not quote unquote ideal

1:58:58

for neko right i haven't taken a hard

1:59:00

look at that but maybe it's just weird slices

1:59:02

and makes though the early game where now maybe

1:59:04

it's that literally nothing that a net and

1:59:07

a net map as wrong it's it's

1:59:09

that just blame it on literally

1:59:11

every single qualifiers point of the

1:59:13

on all of them it's just because they

1:59:15

all are weird and you're all plan together and

1:59:17

just like that are no niekro

1:59:20

should have more wins the i don't yet and

1:59:22

then they're gonna be a bad night here wait

1:59:24

for the qualifiers to be over and were like oh there

1:59:26

there were twelve neck ruins of sorry buddy

1:59:29

there were there were a lot there were a lot of niekro

1:59:31

in there whenever like for his every corner and

1:59:33

all that i mean it'll probably be more like

1:59:35

a middling i mean either and niekro the little complicated

1:59:38

a i hear a high tier facts and that are complicated

1:59:40

they don't because aim in the qualifiers

1:59:43

but every time there in a semi or a final

1:59:45

game they are a defining feature

1:59:47

of the late game basic let us

1:59:49

know i mean honestly i think they have a problem

1:59:53

which is there early games or and

1:59:55

some people can't figure out how to get past

1:59:57

that and hopefully if

1:59:59

you will if you got some sort of idea

2:00:02

of how it is supposed to look yeah hopefully

2:00:04

you listen to this episode hopefully you read

2:00:07

maj eyes excellent be the horde

2:00:09

of the the hoarder see the horde

2:00:11

athena horde is not the tear

2:00:13

this is what it's called look it

2:00:15

up people on reddit on the twilight

2:00:18

imperium sub reddit or you can read

2:00:20

it very very good is

2:00:22

a lot of advice when it comes to this faction

2:00:25

you should be able figured out i believe in you and

2:00:27

you can get that when wind up joined

2:00:29

the patriarch so that you can play in the tournament

2:00:32

just to prove us wrong about the niekro

2:00:34

virus i'm a gun to play them yet yeah

2:00:36

i played as sardonic and i've played as a com

2:00:38

and thus far in the qualifiers of start

2:00:41

at doesn't even tell our eyes that

2:00:43

would be cool if i'd one that and guess what i was

2:00:45

in the running site and then secondly

2:00:48

her time on are now that facts and just don't work

2:00:50

out for me long as it's known as a city a few

2:00:52

others to trade he our talk and how much

2:00:54

ready for the game be a fast yeah yeah hey

2:00:57

thanks to or we're bad because of it's enough good humor breath

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for cabal saw kowloon daryl carnal kindred

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fancy ceiling and they viewed or tv sets

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taken for media courteous savant and

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vince you can rate as podcast on modifier

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wherever you listen to it gives a five star rating

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and say boy i sure do love the niekro

2:01:15

virus it's this that's my favorite thing

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in the whole world our website

2:01:20

is around the corner i know i said this last week but

2:01:22

i literally i'd literally like book

2:01:24

that the last was if anything actually the

2:01:26

reason the website might not be up at this exact

2:01:28

second is because i haven't turned it on yet

2:01:30

fast boy the last step is that it just

2:01:32

hasn't been turned on yes so they're

2:01:34

the they're done via mats not done with

2:01:37

his at home with my part i got lazy

2:01:39

but a please go to

2:01:41

that website very this week

2:01:43

and see the shirt

2:01:45

the shirts there's new saw this

2:01:48

year over there

2:01:51

is legal consent

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of the superior lives there isn't space gets be total that

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the email that com galactic

2:01:57

counselors your vote is those

2:02:01

next week's episode has been decided

2:02:03

ah and you know what i'm proud

2:02:06

of you all you did it you

2:02:08

didn't la france i'm

2:02:10

not proud of you i thought i

2:02:12

wanted you to pick the directed at episode

2:02:15

because guess what it was gonna be yeah he

2:02:17

was gonna be five minutes long

2:02:19

and we're just gonna take african break yeah

2:02:21

i guess we don't get a break the guy and real episodes

2:02:24

the time samples of four and a half hours

2:02:26

and it would have been four hours and twenty

2:02:28

five minutes of dead air without

2:02:30

with every thirty minutes a little half

2:02:33

joke sprinkled in just the you feel like an impulse

2:02:35

the record to listen to the i think he

2:02:37

deftly would have had to be four hours because they'd have to pull

2:02:39

it up and see that it's a four hour record and you're

2:02:41

right now i think what it could have

2:02:43

been is we talk about directive

2:02:46

for as long as it warrants we as

2:02:48

five minute the as we're done ah

2:02:50

and then the rest of the we talk about what every

2:02:52

morning or is kind of hey now we get

2:02:55

an astronaut our craft episode in their

2:02:57

media on t v to watch

2:02:59

tv agreed watch the

2:03:02

whole episode of something with a like ohio

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rape watch this is why why why commentaries

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around a star star breaking bad series

2:03:08

finale in three two one

2:03:11

are i here we go for a really

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nice know where you're watching

2:03:15

breaking by a we are as we haven't we

2:03:17

haven't caught up it's it's been a while actually

2:03:19

so i have no upon up the show ended

2:03:21

ten years ago i saw

2:03:25

any who's i got a good tells us the episode next week

2:03:27

will be the system tile fearless was very cool

2:03:30

i'm excited for that one know dips ah

2:03:32

home brewers guild hunter ah

2:03:35

yes i want to say thank you to all

2:03:37

the feedback or have people

2:03:39

that say me feedback on

2:03:41

the last acts faxon saw

2:03:44

i have talked to wacker about

2:03:46

how to get components up in tabletop

2:03:49

playground a little more complicated

2:03:51

than tds and i've learned how to do

2:03:53

it yet but i will talk

2:03:55

to wacker about it more and hopefully

2:03:58

i'll get you those compound it's

2:04:00

out there in a way where you can play with them

2:04:02

to

2:04:03

i'm

2:04:04

there has been a little a little development as

2:04:06

far as like i think some of them are going to be changed a

2:04:08

little bit from what we said in the episode

2:04:10

just some good like fine tuning stuff the be movement

2:04:12

them step forward that i'm like oh that's a good change

2:04:15

and doesn't really spirits li change anything or

2:04:17

that much yeah i'm but be expecting

2:04:20

that stream to happen sometime in

2:04:23

november of the for has ah

2:04:26

stream this weekend i am playing

2:04:29

ghosts ah friday at nine am

2:04:31

central daylight time central

2:04:34

daylight time nine am on friday states

2:04:36

you are are in the if

2:04:38

you are on patreon at all or

2:04:40

hit me up if you wanna play in that game i do need players i'm

2:04:42

still looking i only have like kind of three

2:04:44

and i need three more so if you wanna play on friday com

2:04:47

hang out with me or and then hunter

2:04:50

is continuing his road to the prelims

2:04:52

on sunday at ten am

2:04:55

ah eastern standard

2:04:57

time because i remember this ah

2:05:00

sunday is daylight saving in

2:05:03

america so that those the

2:05:05

the clocks will shift on sundays and hunter

2:05:07

will get to what is a deep sleep in or do you

2:05:09

get do you have to wake up early i don't even

2:05:11

remember doesn't matter hate all the hate

2:05:13

that it works that doesn't that literally just doesn't even

2:05:16

mean anything the mean we say fall and like

2:05:18

fall back to what i don't bring forward

2:05:20

manifests as that see it get

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it is isn't left are slanted you know else that's similar

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to his righty tighty lefty loosey it's

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a circle god dang it is

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this is not a left or right

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there it's a cylinder it

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goes around the bottom move left

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when the top moves right there are two sides

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to the know i'm glad

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you're say a map because every time someone to said

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righty tighty less the way through the mail unlike

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man i guess i'm like really pathetic

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odyssey i don't even know what do you mean

2:05:50

to ask what he argued about hug him

2:05:52

upstairs and up on this thing i don't know well

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as variety of

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one thing i didn't write down you

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want to say so on saturday night

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live the new everquest projects in

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everquest emulation project out

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there called project warm which

2:06:11

is like it's trying to like emulate

2:06:13

how everquest used to be if you don't know what everquest

2:06:15

is so worry about it like a precursor

2:06:18

to world world of warcraft it

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was a very weird game

2:06:23

that was sort of like bad elder scrolls

2:06:25

but with like other people and

2:06:28

i loved it a law and it was big part of me

2:06:30

growing up and i'm gonna probably

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stream it on saturday night if

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you want to watch their i'm not giving you start time

2:06:37

because i'm just gonna do it is something

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i am so yeah fewer what

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if you get tired of watching you know competitive

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twilight imperium as we can smell was replaced

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them everquest and actually if you want to play more

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check our project quorum is google

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it yeah and then see what it is

2:06:54

and maybe you'll like it and if you do i get maybe

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complaint with me on saturday before

2:06:58

me cool flightless to start a spacecraft

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these turtles deals in everquest of

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get a whole oh gee a space stats

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guild going on why not why

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not hey also us here's the thing that people my

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care about yesterday's episode

2:07:11

of old gamers almanac or

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it's another one of us starcraft maybe you're like

2:07:15

on and off i care about the starcraft thing but coral

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he was on it we talked to call early and s adjacent

2:07:20

to our board game podcast so you know

2:07:22

let's plug all gamers almanac and got sick outs

2:07:25

the starcraft ii a multiplayer

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use map settings episode of those yea

2:07:29

and listen to base your honor and

2:07:31

colds a smile for an hour and

2:07:33

a half smile as hard as they smiled and

2:07:36

a long time talking about the glory days

2:07:38

of starcraft multiplayer it was really

2:07:40

delightful the just cannot be there with the

2:07:42

two of them he was the least structured

2:07:45

like podcast episode we've done with tall

2:07:48

order because it was kind of at

2:07:50

poor it was great it was really great but

2:07:52

at times it just had a sounded like to

2:07:54

people that would just be like oh

2:07:56

you remember this the

2:08:00

yoga whole truth farley snl

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skit sneer member near my the

2:08:04

earth those austin of know

2:08:06

the all with madison listed

2:08:09

a lot of it was kind of just

2:08:11

the laws we you know calls very

2:08:13

smart so he would like that accounts it is

2:08:15

like a like here is like a point

2:08:17

i make him but then i would just be like

2:08:19

or dude paint ball memory

2:08:22

will say oh

2:08:25

yes what of what it what a fun episode check

2:08:27

that out the listen to their so

2:08:29

it's a week we've we've done one hundred episode

2:08:32

yes show with crazy

2:08:35

be done three hundred some episodes se da

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hundred episodes of that you know what pods

2:08:39

are about to have fifty episodes the just as reading

2:08:41

books once analyzing our podcasts

2:08:44

they start in september and can say certain

2:08:46

roughly september october and masters

2:08:48

when our anniversary tsar and when we have this

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ccs marks that's that's just how the

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way it goes for us a where

2:08:55

the september boys in our sidebar

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on oh dang well all right so

2:09:00

i would love to joke around a

2:09:02

little more with you yes

2:09:04

sir by a bullet to do that one

2:09:06

of the know ah so in

2:09:08

the tournament we named one of the slices

2:09:11

after our friend will oh

2:09:13

yeah friend will load or sure load

2:09:15

and he is and and he is at

2:09:19

my door said now so

2:09:21

i really gotta go i would love to come

2:09:23

up with something kind of silly now or like

2:09:25

up by went away with week away

2:09:27

for you to bring him up here was just hang out and we'll

2:09:29

just talk the will for thirty minutes you wanna

2:09:31

do that now i think it's better well we're

2:09:34

not going on i mean like you're not doing

2:09:36

anything it's just halloween right now like

2:09:39

it's not like you have anything going on listen

2:09:41

man i got a dress up like sweeney todd

2:09:44

with by i go get my sweeney todd

2:09:46

am in order s interview

2:09:49

on earth and up the sweeney todd the demon barber

2:09:51

from fletcher straight wait

2:09:53

three oh yeah you're

2:09:55

right they have sex

2:09:58

i i i thought on broadway I

2:10:01

saw a little stole the costume

2:10:03

so that was your Halloween costume. No,

2:10:06

no, I wish. I've been trying to find a white

2:10:09

shirt that I can get blood on and

2:10:11

for some reason that's the part I'm having the most trouble with.

2:10:13

You can't find any plain white button-up shirts

2:10:15

at like vintage stores, you know? I'm

2:10:18

not gonna buy a new white shirt

2:10:20

just to immediately ruin and I don't

2:10:22

mean like a long sleeve

2:10:25

like white dress shirt. I'm

2:10:28

gonna text Will and see if he's okay. Yeah.

2:10:32

Will is at my door. I'm not

2:10:34

getting to the door because you're keeping

2:10:36

me, okay? You keep distracting

2:10:38

me. What I've been trying to say is I don't have

2:10:41

time to joke around with y'all anymore. I have to

2:10:43

go. Yeah. What's your favorite episode

2:10:45

of Breaking Bad? What? What's your favorite episode

2:10:47

of Breaking Bad? That's

2:10:49

a good question. Let's

2:10:51

think about it for a little bit. I

2:10:54

think I like the, I'm kind of a season three

2:10:56

finale guy. I really

2:10:58

like that one. It's pretty spicy. I think

2:11:00

that's when the show really spicens

2:11:03

up and kind of shows that like

2:11:05

it's gonna get as goofy as

2:11:08

it wants to, you know what I mean? Yeah.

2:11:10

It's a pretty slow season for it to be like, hey,

2:11:13

listen, it was all worth it, okay? We took our

2:11:15

time with this one to do some stuff. Also,

2:11:18

I love Gale. He's like my favorite

2:11:20

character. Sure. He's a great character.

2:11:23

And that's a big Gale episode if you

2:11:25

know what I'm saying. That's

2:11:29

just for people that know. And if you don't,

2:11:31

then you don't know. Oh,

2:11:33

Will's sending me a second. That

2:11:36

one means that he's really here. The

2:11:39

first one was, oh,

2:11:41

he sent a message saying here and then

2:11:43

he sent a message saying, I buzzed. It's

2:11:46

cold outside of that. I mean, I know it's cold here. It's probably

2:11:48

really cold. It is cold. Yeah.

2:11:51

Alright, well, I really am gonna go now. Sure. And

2:11:54

I'm gonna click stop. Yeah. Okay.

2:11:57

That's fine. I'll see. Wondering

2:12:00

if you were doing anything

2:12:03

after your game on Sunday just like in general.

2:12:05

I think you had anything going on Nope.

2:12:07

No, no plan. Do you want to know I mean we could

2:12:10

do something like we could like play Starcraft or something Here

2:12:12

let me just tell will to go

2:12:14

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