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1:30

We are in the ladies and spark my interest. It's

1:32

so much fun because there's this anonymity you

1:34

are a Twinkie. I'm gonna see Jesse use a Twinkie.

1:36

Yeah. have a hard

1:38

time thinking about putting

1:40

the lips to that, you know. Alright,

1:43

Diana. Take it away. I thought water could turned

1:46

to wine, but metal.

1:50

You know, guys, I've been taking

1:52

those allergy shots, but I couldn't go in today.

1:54

for my new serum because I

1:56

have strep throat. Oh,

1:59

no. You don't Sounds

2:02

good. You don't at all. You don't even we've

2:04

been talking for, like, twenty minutes. She's nice.

2:06

That's such a nice compliment. But you all

2:08

also have, like, energy and I

2:10

feel pretty good, bro. Wrong at all. Technically,

2:13

I caught it early because Leandra

2:15

came down with it today.

2:17

Like, she had the sore throat today. Mine just

2:19

started getting sore. So mine actually

2:21

came back negative, but I'm like, she's like, we're

2:23

gonna treat both of you. I'm like, give you prescription because it's

2:25

coming. So I think it caught early enough

2:27

where it's not terrible. Yeah.

2:29

What do you take for strip throat? Well,

2:32

then right now, there's, like, a shortage

2:34

on antibiotics so I didn't get

2:36

the traditional, like, amoxicillin. I

2:38

got the cithromycin or

2:40

whatever I call it. I don't know.

2:43

That's a real pisser, though. Yeah.

2:46

Well, I mean, I I had a good run for October. I

2:48

didn't get sick at all. So it was coming. It was

2:50

just a matter of time. Like, there's all these kids getting

2:52

like that respiratory virus,

2:54

you know, they're having trouble. A lot of connection.

2:57

running rampant everywhere. Yeah.

2:59

Everything is out right now. I'm like, yep.

3:01

Yep. Still wearing the mask. I'm still rocking

3:03

that shit and I don't see an end in sight for

3:05

that. Well, I was rocking it today for sure.

3:08

We are all doom and gloom already. Okay.

3:11

Not quite. We mentioned the masks.

3:13

If

3:16

you were listening to us for the first time,

3:18

we are not always Doom and gloom. We are

3:20

the ladies of Spark by Interest Podcast.

3:22

My name is Diana. I'm Deborah.

3:24

I'm Jesse. And every week, get

3:26

together. We gather articles that we found

3:28

online or in books or in magazines. And

3:31

we share them with one another. And at the end of every

3:33

episode, we boat to see who had the most popular

3:35

of the article. Prize remains

3:37

TBD at this point. We don't care. We're just in

3:39

it for the glory of that win. And

3:41

I believe we all brought it today.

3:43

Mhmm. We I brought it. and for

3:45

the first time ever, right, we we are wearing filters

3:47

on our Zoom meeting. How

3:50

is this the first time? This is amazing.

3:52

It

3:52

puts me in a good mood worked

3:55

all day. And you know what? I'll

3:57

enjoy my lipstick being put on for

3:59

me. Yeah. Yep. Get me in a crown around

4:01

my head. Yeah. That was got a little crown in

4:03

the corner of her head. I'm wearing

4:05

the we can do it.

4:08

Rosie the riveter. Rosie the riveter, like,

4:10

head kerchief. with

4:12

fake red lipstick

4:14

and fake eyebrows. This is fun. I've

4:17

got the fake fake red lipstick and a red

4:19

baring. Yeah. She's going French, and it you're

4:21

you're you're selling it. i'm

4:23

a female cool nice

4:25

Natural.

4:29

And, Jesse, I think you took

4:32

a screenshot of our filters in

4:34

the green room down. Yeah. I'll

4:36

make sure to share those on social media so you

4:38

can see how ridiculous we or

4:40

something like that. We look great.

4:42

Yeah. Yeah. We look fine. cartoonishly great.

4:45

It's perfect. So we've injured

4:47

ourselves We've all commented on

4:49

how great we look. Jesse, I believe

4:51

you're gonna spark us up. I am.

4:54

This comes to us. from a scientific

4:56

american, from an article by Katie

4:59

Wehman, published March thirteenth

5:01

twenty twenty, and from something that Neil

5:03

DeGrasse Tyson just mentioned briefly on one of his

5:05

little, like, YouTube shorts. Yeah. You

5:07

think of, like, latitude lines that go

5:09

horizontally around the Earth.

5:12

Right? Yes. And you got the longitudinal

5:14

lines, you know, have something to do with time

5:16

zones. Right. But as you

5:18

move up to the north

5:20

pole and down to the south pole,

5:21

those time

5:22

zones converge on a point.

5:25

And so what time is it at

5:27

the north pole? Which time

5:29

zone do the the poles fall into?

5:31

Is that the question?

5:33

Oh. Well, I would think it

5:35

would fall into multiple time zones.

5:38

There's twenty four time zones. and I

5:40

don't think they're hitting just one.

5:41

Yeah. They don't they don't fall into any

5:44

time zone really, so it's they have to sort of

5:46

just adhere to whichever time zone they're trying

5:48

to communicate with. as of this article,

5:50

there was this German research

5:52

ship called the Polar Stern up at

5:54

the North Pole. It's like this icebreaker ship

5:56

that does research up there. and

5:59

they are

5:59

represented by one hundred people from

6:02

twenty different countries and so they're all talking to their families

6:04

and different people at different times and they'll have to

6:06

keep track of what time zone they're in because

6:08

in the fall of two thousand nineteen, the

6:10

Polish turn captain pushed the time

6:12

zone back one hour every week

6:15

for six weeks to sync up with

6:17

incoming Russian ships that follow Moscow

6:19

time. And it says with each shift,

6:21

the captain adjusted automatic clock

6:23

scattered around the ship researchers paused

6:25

to watch the hands of analog clocks

6:27

spin eerily backward. I mean,

6:28

when you think about it, the sun only

6:31

rises and sets once a year

6:33

on the North Pole. So there is no

6:35

sense of day or night. It would totally

6:37

mess you up. You would not know when to go to bed, or

6:39

when to wake up, and when to eat your meals,

6:41

and I mean, the daylight

6:43

alone is already helping

6:45

talk about that. Yeah. Alrighty.

6:47

Problematic. Yeah. And then you're telling

6:49

me there around a bunch of people who are

6:51

also living in their own time zone. Like,

6:53

they're not just like, you know what? Let's

6:55

go with Pacific or whatever it

6:57

may be. think they worked it out so that

6:59

they sort of all adhere to a similar schedule,

7:02

but it's not it's

7:04

not logical, you know, it's not based on anything

7:06

that's like They just

7:07

basically say, here's here's what our schedule is just

7:09

so we can stay sane, and then

7:11

they stick to that. It's

7:12

really interesting. the world we

7:14

live in, man. Mhmm. Or simulation,

7:17

whatever it is, it's unique. Yeah.

7:19

But it's weird because, like, the closer you get to the

7:21

polls the last time kinda makes sense in the

7:23

traditional sense. Well, cool. I'm definitely

7:26

sparked -- I know. -- today. Can bring

7:28

us into

7:28

our sparkler. spot.

7:35

Our sparkler spot

7:36

of the week is MENA from

7:38

Sacramento, California. he writes

7:40

to us at our Instagram,

7:42

long time listener, first time writing

7:44

in, ever

7:45

used to talk a lot about

7:47

aliens. In

7:49

the earlier seasons, I

7:51

love these stories. They spark my

7:53

interest the most. I was

7:55

watching the latest unsolved mystery

7:57

season and they have an entire episode

7:59

dedicated to the UFO sighting back

8:02

in the nineties. If you haven't

8:04

watched it yet, you should. It could

8:06

make for a great story contender for one of

8:08

your episodes. Keep up the

8:10

interesting stuff. Love from Sacramento.

8:13

Maina. Well, Nina,

8:15

yeah, you're right. I do love aliens, and

8:17

I think it is fascinating. And

8:19

I did watch that episode. Yeah.

8:21

I know you have because you've been talking about it

8:23

like crazy. Oh, yeah. I'm

8:25

gonna use it as my story actually. There are

8:27

several articles written

8:29

about those sightings and

8:31

an episode of unsolved mysteries. And I'm like, you

8:33

know what? It is the most interesting thing that I

8:36

have watched and read

8:38

about as of late, so I'm gonna

8:40

cover it. So with that, I'm gonna

8:42

go ahead

8:42

and kick things off into

8:44

this story time.

8:57

My articles come from

9:00

all that's interesting dot com by

9:02

Austin Harvey, checked

9:04

by John Karoskie

9:04

on October sixteenth twenty

9:07

twenty two. And I also

9:09

used unsolved mysteries season

9:10

three episode two something

9:13

in the sky. Mhmm.

9:15

On

9:16

March eight, nineteen ninety

9:19

four, residents living

9:21

along the shore of Lake Michigan

9:23

witnessed one of the most widespread UFO

9:26

sightings in history. Bright

9:29

multicolored orbs appeared over

9:31

the water and could be seen as

9:33

far south as Indiana's

9:36

Stateline dancing erratically

9:38

across the night sky. So

9:40

these objects, over three

9:44

hundred people reported

9:46

these objects. Calling into

9:48

police, the fire department, the weather

9:50

department, there were circular

9:52

objects, They were not planes,

9:55

they were silent, they were more

9:57

like glowing orbs is really

9:59

how they were explained.

9:59

Their

10:00

movement was erratic, and there was

10:02

a collection of five to six

10:05

of them. That is how people

10:07

describe them. They also moved

10:09

incredibly fast. There's a

10:11

woman, her name is Cindy Proveda.

10:13

She was in her

10:14

fifties. She

10:16

just said she was on the phone and she looked

10:18

into her backyard because she was like, man,

10:20

it must be a full moon because it's

10:23

so freaking bright. And she

10:25

looked out and she was like, that's not a moon.

10:27

What is this? And there were these huge

10:29

orbs and she just said into her

10:31

phone, I think I've got

10:33

a UFO in my backyard. These

10:36

things did not just appear and then

10:38

disappear. They were there for at least

10:40

thirty minutes. The most

10:42

compelling encounter though

10:45

was likely from the on

10:47

duty radar operator for

10:49

the national weather service that

10:51

name. This man was named Jack

10:54

Boucherang. He

10:54

was

10:55

very early into his career,

10:58

and it was his dream job to be a

11:00

meteorologist working for the

11:02

National Weather Service. He was

11:05

brand new married as well.

11:07

He was born and raised in the Lake

11:09

Michigan area. So one of the calls

11:11

that came in that night were from

11:13

the police. So they had been called out. They

11:15

drove out to where somebody had seen

11:17

these orbs. Mhmm. And they were like,

11:19

gosh, this is so bizarre. So they called

11:21

in. and this

11:23

call was recorded. So there's

11:25

a whole recording of it. If you watch the

11:28

unsolved mysteries episode, can

11:30

hear it and you can hear the excitement

11:33

in Jack's voice. You know,

11:35

he he mentions, you know, these

11:37

aren't planes. and they show you, like, what

11:39

the radar would look like and how the ores would

11:41

be, like, over here. Mhmm. And then the

11:43

next time the little circular

11:45

radar would go around, they'd be, like, a

11:47

hundred miles away. like, boom, just over there.

11:49

He was like, what is this? He

11:51

was recording four or five orbs

11:53

at a time, and they would they would

11:55

move in patterns. It wasn't just, like,

11:57

Oh, we're just one would move and

11:59

then all of

11:59

the others would be kinda doing their own thing.

12:02

Now, if one moved, then they

12:04

would all move and they would try to make

12:06

a shape. together. So

12:08

just really strange patterns moving

12:11

faster than any aircraft we

12:13

have ever seen again, he

12:15

was like, there's no way these are planes. And

12:17

on the recording, you can just tell he's

12:19

like, I have no idea. Like, there's

12:21

just so much suspense and he's

12:23

just there's so much wonder in

12:25

realism. Absolutely. And

12:27

it's almost like a like a high end

12:30

version of those those hovering

12:32

little drones that can all work together to make

12:34

shapes for like -- Yeah. -- the Olympics displays,

12:36

you know? Yeah. Yeah.

12:38

Absolutely. got This was nineteen

12:40

ninety four, so none of that was around.

12:42

Then out of the don't worry idea. That's

12:45

where they did. That's where they did.

12:47

Then out of nowhere, they just vanished.

12:50

They were not found on radar

12:52

whatsoever. They were just gone.

12:54

them

12:55

So the next day, you know,

12:58

some of this phone call was

13:00

was released. It was like, oh,

13:02

wow. Look, we saw this thing and even

13:04

the national weather service didn't know what

13:06

to make of it. And

13:08

the powers that may be at the

13:10

weather service station was

13:12

basically like, we can't have that.

13:14

And there was still a there's still a

13:16

stigma today, but there was really way

13:18

more of a stigma even then. that

13:20

if you were, like, I think I may have seen

13:23

a UFO.

13:25

People were, like, oh, you're

13:26

crazy. Yeah.

13:28

Yeah. So

13:29

they really quieted him up. To be

13:31

fair though, if someone came up to me legitimately

13:34

and said, I think I saw a UFO

13:36

I really. I mean, I

13:38

wonder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would

13:40

depend on how they would describe it. That's

13:42

for sure. Yeah. But, like, I

13:44

hate saying that, but it's just kinda, like,

13:46

If somebody was like, oh, I was a busted, and

13:48

this is what they did at bed. I don't know,

13:50

man. But if somebody said, I

13:52

was using the instruments

13:54

that we use to monitor

13:57

aerial

13:57

burn. Yeah. And

13:59

they

13:59

were

13:59

like, that wasn't a plane. I'd be like, oh,

14:02

guy, like, you stay pretty legit?

14:04

Yeah. Anyway, they basically had him

14:06

come back on and say, oh, well, maybe

14:08

I was wrong. Maybe it could be something else.

14:10

It was not something else. But yeah. So he started

14:12

coming back into work and

14:14

people were decorating his office

14:16

with, like, little spaceships

14:18

and stuff. And At first, he thought he was like,

14:20

oh, yeah. People were just like, what a funny

14:22

experience, but then people really did

14:24

start to treat him differently. Then

14:26

he had feared that he was gonna lose his job because he had

14:28

no credibility. So

14:30

he actually moved. He moved to

14:32

Atlanta to save his career

14:34

and kinda just get away from

14:36

everything. Hundreds

14:38

of people tried to contact

14:40

Jack. They people wanted to get

14:43

a hold of him. and

14:45

his information was always withheld

14:47

from the public. So if you called to

14:49

say, oh, who was the guy that was on duty? I

14:51

have something that I wanted to us. I wanna see if he

14:53

had knows anything. Mhmm. They were

14:54

just like, oh, no. Unfortunately, he doesn't work

14:57

here anymore. And how was that?

14:58

What's really

15:01

unfortunate about it though is that

15:03

he never wanted

15:03

to leave home. He had his

15:05

dream job. He he still maintained

15:08

his dream job just in Atlanta.

15:10

But he mentions that

15:12

he has been haunted

15:14

for decades about

15:16

what he saw that night. So

15:18

now he's

15:19

retirement age. You see? He's in

15:22

a sixties. and

15:24

he's retired. And with

15:26

this new unidentified aerial

15:28

phenomenon, the UAP being

15:31

more and more

15:32

accepted in the US government with

15:34

all the files that were released in twenty

15:36

twenty one, there's a little bit

15:38

less of a stigma around it.

15:41

So

15:41

he decided that he wanted to

15:44

take a story and see if he could

15:46

find more out. It's not that he

15:48

really wants the attention, more so

15:50

he wants answers. And he thinks with these

15:52

three hundred people who saw the

15:54

same thing that he did, we

15:55

could learn a lot more than what

15:57

we were able to learn back then.

15:59

So unsolved mysteries,

16:02

he reached out to them and they were

16:04

like, yeah, they were more than

16:06

happy.

16:07

They plan down my number. Pick it

16:09

up. Pick it up. Yeah. So

16:11

they are. They have some encounters

16:14

with him and some of these people who

16:16

have been trying to find him. and

16:18

they're trying to do their own research and really

16:20

work with NASA and work with the US

16:22

government, work with anybody who is trying

16:24

to

16:25

work around

16:26

figuring out what exactly it is that we

16:29

see. There's a lot of different

16:31

stories like this from

16:33

all around the world that people try to kind of

16:35

shove under the rug since the

16:37

nineteen sixties, probably

16:38

even before then. Mhmm. So

16:41

it is an open investigation.

16:44

And so if you

16:46

or someone you know has any

16:48

information about the UAP

16:50

sightings that took place over Lake

16:52

Michigan from March eighth nineteen ninety

16:53

four. You can go to

16:56

unsolved dot

16:56

com to share your insight.

16:59

Or

16:59

you could go to spark my interest. Absolutely.

17:02

I'll share it on your behalf. Yeah.

17:04

spark my interest podcast dot

17:06

com. There you go. We'll take

17:08

that information. I love it

17:10

though. I love that stigmas are being

17:12

broken, especially when you're not

17:14

saying anything to out there. I

17:16

mean, you can't really deny that having

17:18

three hundred people see

17:20

something for sure. Yes. Yeah. And --

17:22

Yes. -- just the

17:23

burden of having that

17:26

knowledge about the radar and everything,

17:28

and nobody and they're like, gosh,

17:30

don't talk about this. That's that's --

17:32

Yeah. -- disqualify each

17:34

other. Sure. It eats me up and I've just learned about

17:36

it. Yeah. I can also

17:38

watch that episode. Yeah. because you could

17:40

see it in Chicago as well, and it's weird

17:42

just, like, see a date and be like, I was

17:44

alive then. Like,

17:45

why don't I know anything about this?

17:47

Yeah. because it's like if we can debunk it,

17:49

debunk it, you Definitely,

17:51

give this man and all

17:53

these people some peace of mind for sure.

17:55

Mhmm. Yeah. Highly recommend the episode

17:57

though. That was a great You said it's episode

17:59

three three? episode two.

18:02

Two. episode two season three.

18:05

Got

18:05

it. So there you go. MENA and Sacramento.

18:07

I'm talking about those aliens. Who

18:11

wants to go next? I

18:13

can go next. Alright,

18:15

Jesse. Okay. So

18:18

this comes to us from

18:20

two sources. The first was the guardian

18:22

dot com by Ali Hirschlog.

18:25

published the sixteenth of May to twenty

18:27

twenty, and the other one was

18:29

from the Cheddar YouTube

18:32

channel. a video published

18:34

April twenty first twenty twenty.

18:36

You've brought the cheddar before, haven't

18:38

you? I don't remember. I was just gonna make fun of it.

18:40

And I was what the hell is the better.

18:42

I guess You have this done?

18:44

I thought it is. I I have. I

18:46

I honestly don't

18:47

remember.

18:49

Oh, okay. So I'm

18:49

a tell a little story and we're, you know, to see why I

18:51

end up on this topic.

18:54

Oh, I'm ready for this. So in nineteen

18:56

ten in the Netherlands,

18:58

There

18:58

was this disease that was attacking Elm trees known

19:00

as Dutch Elm disease? Have you heard

19:02

of this? Oh, my god.

19:04

Is this gonna are you allergic to

19:06

the disease and not the tree? Is this where

19:08

this is going? So this is connected

19:11

to you. Yeah. It is. It

19:13

is. So In

19:14

the Netherlands, nineteen ten, they start noticing these

19:16

Elm trees dying and they're

19:18

drying like very quickly and they're losing a lot of

19:20

trees and it's spreading all over Europe.

19:23

a Dutch phytopathologist

19:25

named B. Schwartz was able to

19:27

figure out what was going on, and they basically

19:29

said, you know, she said it was this

19:32

fungus called

19:33

Opheostomae

19:34

that was carried by bark

19:37

beetles and the bark beetles would bury themselves

19:39

beneath the bark of the Elm trees. and

19:41

eat shed the fungus spores and

19:44

create this disease. Well,

19:47

these bark beetles hopped

19:49

aboard a shipment of logs from Britain to

19:51

the US and

19:53

killed all the palm trees here. Like, when you talk

19:55

about how how many died, seventy

19:57

five percent of the elm trees in the United States

19:59

died from

19:59

this disease. One over

20:01

the course of the county's century fall.

20:04

Yeah. So

20:06

there

20:06

were these streets that were beautifully lined with

20:08

all these ome trees that are now bare.

20:10

Right? So they have to replace them with

20:13

something else. while there are these people thinking this through, they're

20:15

like, what what should we replace these on trees

20:17

with? Because one of the nice things about these on trees

20:19

was they were actually

20:22

heraphroditic. They have both male and

20:24

female gendered parts that allow them

20:26

to have some flexibility in

20:28

terms of spreading their

20:30

paw in and proliferating and

20:32

they don't create a lot of of

20:34

mess. They're actually quite tidy

20:36

tree. They're they're very tall.

20:38

had a lot of going them. So, like, well, what what can we replace

20:40

them with? because Elm trees were so great for

20:42

this. Mhmm. And so they there are I

20:44

don't know if you know this, but there are three different kinds of trees.

20:46

There are the her maphroditic

20:48

ones, which are called Monetius -- Mhmm. -- which

20:51

means they have the male and female

20:53

parts on the same plant. Then

20:55

there are daisious trees, which means that

20:57

there are separate trees that are male

21:00

trees and

21:00

female trees. There are

21:02

also

21:02

what they call perfect trees,

21:04

which are her heraphroditic, but they have

21:06

the same genders within the same

21:09

blossom instead of being separate

21:11

parts of the tree. long

21:14

story short, there's kind of, like, her math. Yeah. Her

21:16

math. They are. Yeah. They are. But but the

21:18

the point that I'm getting to is

21:20

when they were planning like, city planners were like,

21:22

well, we replace all these sound trees with, let's let's

21:24

pick trees that are

21:26

male only. And

21:27

the reason that'll be is because any

21:30

tree we plant that's male only won't have

21:32

any fruit because male trees

21:34

don't produce fruit from the flower.

21:37

So Yeah. And

21:37

which is really disappointing. And there's a

21:39

whole economic situation about this as well. It's like,

21:41

we didn't wanna have free

21:43

fruits for the

21:45

people. but

21:46

you also have a shit of pollen. There you

21:49

go. Yeah. So you

21:51

don't have anything to pollinate. That's

21:53

right. Oh my gosh. which

21:55

is so ridiculous because you could have planted

21:57

all female trees and they still

21:59

wouldn't have

21:59

had had fruit. Different knows where

22:01

I'm going with this. This great. Yeah.

22:03

You've heard in the science. Where'd you hear this? Where'd

22:05

you hear this? My husband. The

22:09

science is at work.

22:11

Yeah. So seriously that is infuriating. So

22:14

essentially yeah. Over the course of the twentieth century,

22:16

they planted mostly male trees

22:18

in all urban planned areas. And

22:20

so you have this huge

22:22

influx of of pollen being

22:24

generated that was not being caught by female

22:26

trees, and so it had nowhere to go but blow through

22:28

the air. And so as of the

22:31

nineteen seventies, you

22:31

started seeing all these trees that

22:34

were planted over

22:35

the early part of the twentieth century come to

22:37

come of age and start, uh-huh, creating all this

22:39

pollen. And that's when you see this huge increase

22:42

in allergy related issues.

22:44

As time has gone on, the

22:46

increase in carbon carbon

22:49

dioxide in the atmosphere has created

22:51

like a four times effect

22:53

on the amount of palm these trees are producing

22:55

because they have so much carbon dioxide coming in. It's

22:57

almost like they're hyper generating.

22:59

as well as temperature swings because

23:01

of global warming. And so

23:04

one of the one of the phrases that kind of kicked

23:06

this whole issue off was in the nineteen forty

23:08

nine year book of agriculture. They

23:10

actually said when used for street plantings, only

23:12

male trees should be selected to avoid

23:14

nuisance from the seed. But

23:16

Debra's exactly right because if they had only

23:18

planted female trees, they would never -- They wouldn't have --

23:20

fertilize because you have to be

23:22

within, like, thirty to forty feet of the of the root

23:24

structure to actually be fertilized by a male

23:26

tree. And they

23:28

would never been never would have produced fruit or nuts

23:30

that would have fallen, and they would have been more tidy

23:32

in the military. They wouldn't have had any Poland.

23:36

Poland. Yep. So there was

23:38

a guy in the nineteen nineties from San

23:40

Luis Obispo. He was a prison landscaper

23:42

named Tom O'Gren. and

23:44

he was the one who made connection between

23:47

worsening allergies and the overabundance of male

23:49

trees because he worked at a

23:51

prison and he noticed And it's

23:53

kinda

23:53

funny because his wife, she was always complaining about her

23:55

allergies, and he he because

23:58

historically, women have been affected more than

23:59

men by seasonal allergies, that he thought, oh, you know, it's

24:02

psychosomatic like they're saying, it's not that big a deal. But

24:04

then he realized these men who are working at

24:06

the prison under

24:08

this particular type of male tree

24:10

were having worse allergies and other people

24:12

around them. He finally made the connection to

24:14

say, oh, male trees are causing more pollen,

24:16

causing more allergies, that's the connection.

24:18

Finally, he believed his wife. And

24:21

so you have to, like, all mentioned.

24:23

Right? Don't believe us.

24:25

Mhmm. So

24:26

he starts kind of becoming this

24:28

proponent of, you know, doing things differently

24:30

and writing books on what's causing the problem and

24:32

getting it out there and he actually called it

24:35

botanical sexism. But -- Yeah.

24:37

-- it's great. But

24:41

that's the

24:41

the pickle ring right now is we have

24:43

this overabundance of male trees causing

24:46

this overabundance of pollen

24:48

combined with the increase in carbon dioxide in

24:50

our atmosphere. And so if

24:52

we wanna it. We gotta start planning more

24:54

female trees to offset the

24:55

balance. Well, I have

24:58

two female trees in

24:58

my backyard. somewhere in my

25:01

heart. That's

25:01

right. It's a lemon tree and the orange tree. And

25:04

orange tree. Well, actually, orange

25:06

and lemon trees are examples of

25:08

perfect trees because they have the male and

25:11

female parts in the same blossom.

25:13

I tried planting two female trees

25:15

one of my front yard and one of my backyard and they both

25:18

died. I've had gardeners. I don't know her.

25:20

Her her. Yeah. Mhmm. I'm

25:22

just trying to do her. But I tried, you

25:24

guys. I tried. Yeah.

25:27

I have three trees in my

25:29

backyard. They were planted before I got here, and

25:31

one of them suffered a little bit this

25:33

summertime. I'm not sure if they're male

25:35

or female I'm I'm guessing they're probably male.

25:37

So we'll find out. I'm kind of curious how

25:39

to find out. But at least I can't understand. I'm

25:41

like, it's, like, legit. Right? Like,

25:44

Seventies onward, it's a real

25:46

thing. All these male trees are just jizzing

25:48

everywhere and there's nothing to catch

25:50

the jizz.

25:50

Yes.

25:53

See. See. See. Really, what's happening?

25:55

They're just loud and fair. I have nowhere

25:57

to go with this. It's just going into the

25:59

air. Breathe it in with your nose. Take a

26:02

deep breath. That's nuts. I've never thought of

26:04

that. Mhmm. What a

26:06

bummer. Yeah. City planning

26:08

and it's finances. Yeah.

26:12

I've got another kind of a I don't wanna say a bummer,

26:14

but just a it's

26:16

an odd one. Okay. I I used

26:18

two ripples. One is the

26:20

line up dot com written by

26:22

Kelsey Christine McConnell

26:24

on January twenty seventh

26:26

twenty twenty two. And

26:29

the other one was

26:31

an article by medium dot com by

26:34

Robin Whirl and Unsplash

26:38

posted May

26:38

twenty one, twenty nineteen, but

26:41

originally written in twenty seventeen. Have

26:42

you guys ever been to FERCrest, Washington?

26:45

Little town. The twenty

26:47

twenty census says that it's only seven

26:50

thousand one hundred and fifty six

26:52

people. So it's a little tiny

26:54

Wait. Town. Wonder if they have a lot of a fur trees. a

26:57

lot of mail for trees. Hang

26:59

on. I know. Speaking of

27:01

trees, No. But

27:03

some shit went down, and it all went it all

27:05

started in two thousand seven. It

27:07

was a big year in This all

27:09

started

27:09

with a sixteen year old girl, her name is

27:12

Courtney Kirkendall. And

27:14

she in two thousand seven,

27:16

I gotta think back to two thousand seven. Like, the

27:19

iPhone just came out. Everyone's using my

27:21

space. Like, it's

27:22

technology, but it's new. that

27:24

wasn't that long ago. And and that she put No. But

27:26

it feels it's so long ago. so

27:29

long. Yeah. So

27:31

she is up one day and her

27:33

friends start to ask her, they'll let, hey, why'd you send

27:35

me that text message? She's

27:37

like, what text message? And

27:39

she had sent a bunch of her friends

27:41

a text that said,

27:42

gay. That's

27:43

it. Right? Just GAY

27:46

Okay. And so they were like, why don't

27:48

we get this gay text from you? And

27:50

they're like, they all just kinda, like, chopped it up to, like, Courtney's

27:52

just being dumb and just writing us

27:54

something to think she's that she thinks is

27:56

funny. And she was,

27:58

like, my

27:58

friends just made this shit

27:59

up, like, I obviously didn't write everybody

28:02

gay, like, whatever.

28:04

And so they they don't think

28:06

anything of it. But then it's just, like, week

28:08

or so later,

28:10

Courtney,

28:10

her neighbor

28:11

that's a restaurant across the

28:14

street, and her sister who

28:16

is older than her and married with a husband and kids.

28:18

And they all live in like

28:20

the same area of town -- Mhmm.

28:22

-- in Farcrest. Mhmm.

28:24

They all start

28:25

getting phone

28:27

calls, voice messages, text,

28:31

everything you could possibly think of from getting off on your

28:33

own cell phone and landline

28:36

calls on caller ID that would

28:38

come up as restricted. So that's what they started

28:40

to call this person restricted. And

28:43

it was horrible threats.

28:46

It

28:46

was kill you. I can't wait

28:48

to rape you. I know you're home

28:50

alone right now. I'm going to kill

28:52

your grandparents. I'm going to kill

28:55

your children. going to kill your

28:57

pets. Oh,

28:58

wow. And so everybody's like freaking out.

29:00

Like, what is this? And

29:03

so the cops are called They

29:05

change their phones, they change their phone numbers,

29:07

they do it twice. Phones and

29:09

phone numbers are all changed twice.

29:12

it wouldn't last even more than a day, and this

29:14

restricted would be able to call them and be like,

29:17

I know your number. I know your new

29:19

number. I know this. I

29:21

know that and making all these

29:23

stress. So they call the

29:25

cops. And the cops call

29:27

the cops look into it because at first they're like,

29:29

man, this is some really horrible harassment.

29:32

Mhmm. And they look into

29:34

it. And eventually, they're like it's like

29:36

that old thing. The call's coming from in the

29:38

house. Yeah. The call is

29:40

coming from in the house. It's coming from Courtney, the sixteen year

29:42

old's phone. And so her mom and dad

29:44

are like, what the house? Like, wrong How

29:46

much attention do you need? and

29:49

so they take her phone. They turn it off and they

29:51

take her phone. Is she adamant

29:53

like she's not No. She's like it's

29:55

not me. I wouldn't do

29:57

this. Why the fuck what I call my

29:59

fucking family and best

30:02

friend and tell them I want them

30:04

dead. I would believe my kid.

30:06

Right. So we're saying she's calling

30:08

them they can hear a voice or is it texting

30:11

only?

30:11

It's a raspy voice. Weird.

30:14

Okay.

30:14

Sometimes it's text sometimes it's a raspy voice.

30:16

without a like a don't. Like, they're just, like,

30:18

whispering. Okay. Mhmm. Well, like, and and one

30:20

of the times one of the instances, the best friend

30:23

is across the street, and she's cutting

30:25

lines at her kitchen. Mhmm. and

30:27

she gets call on her phone from

30:29

restricted and she picks it up. And all

30:31

the voice says is, I

30:33

prefer lemons. how

30:36

creep that would creep you out.

30:38

I would jump out of my skin. I would

30:40

be so fucking creeped out. Mhmm. Because you'd be

30:42

like, I'm being watched. And he would call everybody, he would tell

30:44

them what they were wearing. They they would

30:47

enter their security codes in

30:49

their phones, and he would be like,

30:51

I know your security code is, you know, 6729

30:53

or whatever. Like, he would

30:55

he would

30:56

know this. So no one

30:59

felt safe Like, even with a security system,

31:01

they're like, I I feel like this guy can break in. He

31:03

knows he knows my every move. He knows what we're

31:05

eating. He knows what our dress. Like,

31:07

what the fuck? Who is this? And

31:09

so Like,

31:09

a lot of the blame went on Courtney, though, like, it's her phone,

31:12

but then her mom started to be

31:14

like, well, I'd have

31:16

her phone. It's like been turned off.

31:18

Even when the phone is turned off, we're still

31:20

getting calls from her her phone

31:22

and rotations. Yeah.

31:24

So they

31:26

ended up calling the cops again. The

31:28

cops are like, well, it's coming from her phone. Like,

31:30

it was the technology was

31:32

just so new. that

31:34

they were like, we don't know how this works. They

31:36

have since got the FBI involved.

31:38

And once the FBI did get involved,

31:42

then the calls eventually stopped.

31:44

They ceased to exist. And people were

31:46

like, maybe the FBI found something out,

31:48

and -- Mhmm. -- they just didn't

31:51

tell us, or whoever was doing this was way

31:53

smarter than your

31:54

average techie back then.

31:57

Mhmm. And

31:58

them was like,

31:59

well, should the

31:59

FBI's involved and they're gonna end up finding me

32:02

out?

32:02

My thing is,

32:04

once the FBI came in.

32:07

They had all that data. I

32:09

mean, the the freaking president of

32:12

Sprint was talking about this because

32:14

he couldn't even I think his

32:16

name is Matt Sullivan. He couldn't even they couldn't

32:18

decide a ping of where it was coming

32:20

from. It was coming from her

32:23

phone. But Well, she

32:25

has a SIM card probably. And so

32:27

somebody had probably mimicked her SIM

32:29

card somehow. So they have some sort of, like,

32:31

identifier in the phone and something

32:33

happened where somebody was able to mimic it. I

32:35

wonder if Oh, they're both used. Did you get it?

32:37

Like, I don't wonder if she got it. No. And they ended up

32:39

getting brand new phones. I mean, it was, like, they were

32:41

really having, like, a past days calls. Yeah. But

32:43

it takes the FBI, and then all of a sudden

32:45

they stop. So there's two theories

32:48

really. One that she was this this

32:49

was a hoax. and that all

32:52

parties involved were in

32:54

on it.

32:54

And they were just like, oh, let's get attention

32:56

and let's get on TV. Like, ABC did

32:58

a special on it. Like,

33:00

they got the attention they wanted and then the

33:02

calls stopped. But they were like who would

33:05

who in

33:05

their right mind would do that? Like, maybe

33:07

one family,

33:08

well but, like, you know,

33:10

the neighbors across the street, sister-in-law.

33:12

Like, it's just it's just weird.

33:14

The other the other theory is because they

33:16

know all the Like, how were they

33:18

both there? I prefer it. I know what you're wearing. That's

33:20

not on it. Like, they knew what you were wearing

33:22

behind closed doors. Well, they're probably listening to

33:24

her home

33:25

alone.

33:27

They

33:27

know about the neighbors

33:29

and what they're looking at and stuff, you

33:31

know. The other word stuff was, like, her phone

33:33

was off, but it was still calling

33:36

other people. and sometimes they would call and

33:38

relay a conversation that they had

33:40

had in, like, with, you know,

33:42

within the house.

33:43

that they were, like, we were recording our

33:46

conversations, and now it's being played back at us.

33:48

Like, one of them was when they were talking to

33:50

the cops. they got a

33:52

call after the cops left and replayed the

33:54

message of them talking to the cops.

33:56

Yes. And it was, like, bugged

33:58

their phones. Well, they were, like, they had to have

33:59

been wired. Yeah. The houses had to have been

34:02

wired. Yeah. Like, how do you get this

34:04

information without wiring a home?

34:06

Right? Yeah. But how many of them

34:08

know? How do you get in there and do that? I don't

34:10

know. And nothing was ever found. Like, it's

34:12

literally -- Oh. -- so they're they're like, this is a fucking

34:14

hoax or

34:16

It's one of the smartest viruses or hacks out there.

34:19

That's what I'm thinking. It's some weird

34:21

hack. You can't wire somebody's

34:24

home and all of her friends,

34:26

houses, and everything. Like, there's no way.

34:28

There there's some clever ways you can

34:30

do things if you have the right equipment and you know

34:32

what you're doing. I mean, Like, did you see movie about

34:34

Edward Snowden where they showed the guys

34:36

working for the NSA? They didn't access anything

34:38

through anyone's smart device? Yeah.

34:42

And that was around this time too, the technology, mhmm, it's

34:44

all doable, guys, so if you

34:46

have the right tools. No, it's so

34:48

crazy, and this I'm I'm

34:50

gonna read this to you because I was like, this is the the creepiest part to

34:52

me is it says authority suggested

34:55

that it that

34:57

that if this was truly an

34:59

outsider wreaking all this havoc upon the Kirklandals.

35:01

It was in all likelihood a

35:03

tech savvy teenage

35:06

boy. But

35:07

when probably yeah. It says,

35:09

but when even kids can cause

35:11

this kind of damage, how does someone

35:13

stay safe? In the wake

35:15

of the drama, they recommend a few simple methods. It's

35:17

to change your phone password regularly, purchase

35:20

wireless security software, and in the

35:22

event of your phone is

35:24

hacked, take it immediately to the police, get it a

35:26

new phone and inform your cell phone provider of

35:28

the problem. But they're, like,

35:30

kids today are more dangerous than,

35:32

like, online petaphiles.

35:34

Like, that's what this article says, which,

35:36

I mean, I don't I don't know where they get

35:38

that. I would say the flip side of that though

35:40

is that it's easier to track people down

35:43

too. like, it may be easier to access this stuff, but

35:45

the police getting

35:46

really savvy at finding these people too. Yeah.

35:48

I mean, you say that

35:50

right now, but no one has

35:52

ever been caught. from that

35:54

situation. They got lucky.

35:56

Yeah. It says, did

35:57

they lose their nerve when things got too

35:59

serious with the FBI? or

36:01

does someone plot an elaborate joke to get

36:03

on TV? We may never know, but think

36:05

twice the next

36:06

time you give your phone number out.

36:08

the So there's no answer.

36:10

That's why I wanted to pull up an article from

36:12

twenty twenty two because I'm like, we're right

36:14

there. And there's still no

36:15

fucking update, and it's been fifteen years.

36:18

Yeah. That was just weird. few

36:20

weeks where I'm

36:20

when I would FaceTime my mom, it

36:22

would go straight to some

36:24

dude's phone.

36:26

Oh,

36:26

weird. Yeah. That's creepy. you

36:29

know, getting your wires crossed. Back back

36:31

around this time, there was an app that you

36:33

could use and it was called evil

36:36

operator. And this is how it

36:38

worked. I would if I had

36:40

the app, I would put your

36:42

number in it, Jesse. Mhmm. And then I would

36:44

put Deborah's number in it. And then

36:46

I'd hit send And so

36:48

your phone would call Deborah's,

36:50

but Deborah's phone would call yours. But

36:52

when you looked at your phone, you just saw Deborah

36:54

calling you. And when she looked at your phone, you be

36:56

like, Jesse's calling me. And so you

36:58

both would pick up and be like, hello? Hello?

37:00

What do you think?

37:02

and

37:03

Yeah. What's up?

37:05

You called me. No. You called

37:07

me. So it

37:08

would tape the conversation, and then at the

37:10

end, it would hang when you hang up,

37:12

then it would send the conversation back

37:14

to the person with the app. That

37:17

is

37:18

so that's just a math, guys.

37:20

An app can I know? It's just an app. Imagine what you do with real

37:22

tools. I was super

37:24

intrigued. Super specialized. is.

37:28

Definitely is. We

37:29

got three good ones. We did. We got

37:31

three good ones. We kind of, like,

37:33

open ended you know,

37:35

I mean, just sees the the trees. It's like, well, what are

37:37

we gonna do? Not the

37:40

dilemma. And then, yeah, we're just

37:42

gonna be pairing old men trees

37:44

to, like, young baby

37:46

girl trees. You know?

37:48

You put it

37:51

like that. That is vial.

37:54

So we got that, and then

37:56

we have

37:57

my alien my

37:59

alien

37:59

encounters March eighth

38:02

nineteen ninety four reopened,

38:04

ready

38:04

for investigation. And

38:06

then I have my

38:08

two thousand

38:09

seven iPhone Springster. I'm

38:11

gonna have to go aliens just because I

38:13

wanna know more about, like, how that

38:15

could possibly happen, like,

38:17

what technology is faking out possibly faking out

38:19

these radar systems or is it something

38:22

else? I

38:24

absolutely

38:24

will

38:25

go aliens. I

38:28

fascinated by

38:30

it. I have

38:30

my vote. I'm not gonna do the aliens. You

38:32

guys, I'm gonna vote for the trees. Really?

38:36

Yeah. Fascinating. the new everyday. I was really fascinated

38:38

with those trees. So I got my vote.

38:40

Well, what I do like my stalker?

38:44

Yeah. The soft one's outstanding to his parents. I feel like there's an explanation

38:46

for it. It's just they

38:48

haven't dug into it enough.

38:50

Totally. Or

38:51

did they? Yeah.

38:53

And we just don't know. We don't have

38:55

a street going, but that might be for the

38:57

best right now because as

38:59

we all know, What is

39:01

it? November seventh, if you're listening to this on the day

39:03

of release. The

39:06

holidays They

39:08

are a chemin, and your girls

39:10

here are busy.

39:12

You're busy. And

39:14

how long have we

39:15

been doing this? because this wrap stop

39:17

season sits here. We've been at this three and

39:19

a half years nonstop, guys. No.

39:22

Not one break for us.

39:24

Ain't no rest for the wicked or

39:26

the podcasters. And so

39:28

this episode is gonna be,

39:30

you know, we're just the

39:33

podcasters. But this

39:35

episode is gonna be our last

39:37

of the year. Our last of our season? Yes. It's the last

39:39

of our season and it's the last

39:41

of our year. We're

39:43

gonna take a little bit of a hiatus, but we think it's the

39:46

perfect time to do so because we're all gonna be

39:48

incredibly busy with the

39:50

holidays. We got tea gifts

39:52

coming up. We got Christmas,

39:54

we got Hanukkah, we got New Year's.

39:56

There's a lot coming down the pipe, lots of

39:58

travel, lots of

39:59

shopping and all sorts of different things, not to mention all of our day Mhmm.

40:03

And

40:03

so we're gonna be gone

40:05

for

40:05

a hot second.

40:07

But don't worry because there's a lot of great

40:10

material out there to listen to.

40:12

Might we suggest? You

40:14

know, Dana and Jessica over rants

40:16

and raves? They just got back

40:18

from their hiatus. So they're

40:19

There you go. They

40:20

did and they are raring to

40:23

go. My worst date Go check out

40:25

Keegan, Christina, and Cassie, and then also

40:27

keep it weird. Listen to Ashley

40:29

and to Lauren over there in our

40:31

on our BFF over at

40:33

Florida man on Florida man Wayne,

40:36

Cameron, and Josh.

40:38

There there's tons of content out there.

40:40

We want you to come back but we

40:42

do just we just need this. We need a little bit of a break

40:44

-- Mhmm. -- in order to come back better than

40:46

ever. Yeah. You said it you said

40:48

it all, really. I think we'll collectively

40:52

came to this conclusion fairly quickly and

40:54

we're like, I think we need a break.

40:56

Yeah. It's sad. It's It's

40:59

a sad moment for us because I I don't like taking

41:01

the break, but at the same time, it's well needed.

41:04

Mhmm. Oh, I have anxiety about the fact

41:06

that I'm like, what we're not gonna have one

41:08

released. Like, this is crazy.

41:10

But it's happening. It's

41:12

gonna be great for our

41:14

mental health Yeah. I'm

41:16

just making a song stay

41:18

sane during this really

41:20

crazy time of just work in

41:22

holidays. Yeah. Everyone I talked to

41:24

right now seems to be kind of in the mindset that we are.

41:26

Podcasters and non podcasters. That's just --

41:28

Right.

41:28

-- a lot

41:30

of a lot

41:31

of mental

41:32

wear

41:34

a lot of mental wear for sure. So we

41:36

appreciate you. We're going to miss you.

41:39

It is sad. Please keep writing

41:42

us. Yeah. We wanna make sure that we we'll respond to you.

41:44

For sure, it's just you won't

41:46

be getting your your weekly content

41:50

from us for a hot hot second. Yeah. But we'll be still posting social

41:52

media here and there and planning

41:54

our next season. So Stay

41:57

tuned. Lucky number seven. That's coming down the

41:59

pipe. But, yeah, we will miss you

42:02

all more than we can

42:04

express, honestly, we'll miss

42:06

you all. Thank you all

42:08

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