David and Suzanne continue their moving discussion around 'doing better than rushing to return to normal' after things shift once again with COVID 19.

This episode dwells in the land of opportunity: What could things look like for us as a people, a world, an environment should we thoughtfully, purposefully move with the new things ushered in despite the chaos vs desperately trying to 'get back' to what was once upon a time---back then?

There is such beauty in their words!

I will borrow a saying from David: "Like  pinatas of wisdom..."

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David Kopacz is an author, painter, TLA member and psychiatrist. He lives in Seattle, WA.

Twitter: @davidkopaczmd

Blog: https://beingfullyhuman.com/

Website: https://www.davidkopacz.com/

Instagram: davidkopaczmd

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Suzanne Richman is an education consultant, had founding roles within Goddard College in Vermont, she has expertise and passions within the realms of trauma, grief, social activism. She is a self-confessed recovering academic. You can contact Suzanne at :   [email protected].