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i speak to busy working women who also happen

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to be mother's about how they make it work

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i'm a singer that my really seven albums

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1:50

sixteen months to sixteen years so

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i spent a few place myself being

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a mother can be the most amazing thing he

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I want to be a bit nosy and see how

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other people around here are looking. Welcome

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to the UniG. Hello,

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well this is rather lovely. So this

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is an extra special bonus episode

2:12

of Spinning Plates and it's brought to you by the wonderful

2:15

team of clerks who are for growing

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feet, in safe hands and

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this is a really special thing. I've never actually done

2:21

a special episode of Spinning Plates before

2:23

and I've also never had a guest return

2:26

before. But seeing as clerks spoke

2:28

to me about the idea of having an episode to chat about

2:31

all things early shoes and memories

2:34

of clerks from my childhood

2:35

how I found taking Mickey Fris's first shoes

2:37

I thought who better to talk to

2:39

than my own mother.

2:41

So I spoke to my mum who is known

2:43

to other people as Janet Ellis for

2:46

one of the first episodes of the podcast I ever

2:48

did. So this is way back in 2020

2:51

that we sat down and spoke together and

2:53

I absolutely loved it. It's

2:57

funny, when I had the idea to do the podcast at all so

3:00

speaking to working women who are also mothers

3:03

of course I was going to speak to my mum. It's such a

3:05

natural thing and I got so much of my take on

3:08

her to be a working mum

3:10

from my own mum. But actually I got so much more

3:13

than that from sitting down with her. I

3:15

thought it was going to feel a little bit weird interviewing my

3:17

mum but actually it just felt really lovely and

3:20

honestly if my granny had been alive when I started the podcast

3:24

I would have had her on the podcast like a shot. There's

3:27

so many things I spoke to my mum that

3:30

you wouldn't really necessarily talk to your mum about if

3:32

it's not in a slightly more formal setting or

3:36

certainly not for me anyway. I was fascinated to

3:38

hear about her relationship with work how

3:41

she felt about having me, how she felt about being

3:43

a mum. It's

3:44

just not something we've really gone back and spoken

3:46

about. You know what it's like, your relationship

3:48

stays in the present tense saying that and of course you

3:51

reminisce but you don't necessarily feel like you're going to be able to

3:54

go a bit more deeper than that. So anyway,

3:56

if you've got relatives...

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I really enjoy reading

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her books. They're both quite different. The first one was called

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The Book is Hook and it's all about a

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murderous teenager in 1700s

6:09

London. It shows definitely what goes

6:11

on in Saba Mums mind when no one's watching

6:13

and then she shares it with the world through the written

6:15

words. And before

6:18

we sat down and at mine to have

6:20

a chat about our family and how we are with memories

6:23

and stuff and keeping little

6:25

knickknacks from all different rock points

6:27

throughout your life, which yes, does include

6:29

our first shoes. The shoes that Jack

6:32

and I had when we were small are in little boxes as

6:34

you go down to the kitchen at my mum's house.

6:36

So you see where I get my sense of style from now, yeah,

6:38

because you hear me talk about my class a lot. I know that. I'm

6:41

trying to think of anything else you need to know before you

6:43

hear us chat. I mentioned

6:46

a Christmas present I bought for a friend of mine called Carolina.

6:49

I don't

6:50

think she listens to the podcast. I should not hear her and I'm

6:52

pretty sure I didn't mention what I bought her. So

6:54

that's a good thing. Anyway, I think

6:56

you're going to really enjoy this. And

6:58

I'm really, really happy that Clark's invited

7:00

me to do this bonus episode because it's

7:03

always a joy to sit down and talk to my mum and we did manage

7:05

to stop giggling for long enough in between

7:08

having our chat. I think you will get a good

7:10

gist of how our relationship works. And

7:12

also how passionate we are about about

7:15

memories actually and about marking

7:17

things. And we're both quite sentimental. And

7:20

I'm not the only one who keeps

7:20

things from childhood. You wait till

7:22

you hear what she's kept from Clark from when she was small.

7:25

Over to you, mum.

7:38

So you may have heard that we've partnered with Clark's

7:40

over the last few months, a very happy collaboration.

7:42

And recently I took my little one, Mickey,

7:45

to their Kingston store to get a look at the new

7:47

school shoes. We just started with Fetchon

7:50

alongside their amazing kids range. Well, I did

7:52

get a little bit distracted because they had some amazing styles

7:54

and a whole range for me as well. And I had to stop myself on

7:56

the day. It was all about Mickey, but isn't

7:58

it great to know I can shop one. brands for all

8:00

of us, my favorite kind of shopping. And

8:03

Clark's as a brand has almost 200 years of

8:05

perfecting their products, and they've taken these

8:07

learnings into its first shoe offering. Because

8:09

we all know your child's first shoes are just so much more

8:12

than something you put on their feet. They are memory makers,

8:14

they are journey takers, and they mark

8:16

that moment you realize your baby is no longer

8:18

a baby, they are a toddler. So

8:20

for this special bonus episode, who

8:22

better to chat to you about some of these memories

8:25

other than my mum. So

8:27

she's been through it with me, my brother

8:29

Jack, my sister Martha, and

8:31

she's been on the journey with me and my kids. So

8:33

the grand babies too, because I've had them all

8:36

from Sunny down to Mickey and Clark's. And

8:38

it turns out my mum started out in Clark

8:41

shoes too. So this is a lovely way

8:43

to catch up and talk all things Clark's and

8:45

first shoe memories. Well, welcome

8:47

back to the podcast, mum. Thanks for having

8:49

me. We haven't spoken since then. Like

8:52

the episode we recorded three years ago. Imagine

8:56

that. Imagine it's the only way I knew what you were doing, it

8:58

was because we had a podcast together occasionally. Wow,

9:01

I'm sure stranger things have happened. How

9:03

is your career going? Hope it's all right in the music

9:06

business. It's been up and down.

9:09

Keep going down, keep going. Everything's been all right

9:11

with you. You're a very talented amateur. So

9:13

just keep going. Thanks mum.

9:16

Now honestly, in all seriousness,

9:19

the episode that we did right at the beginning,

9:21

I think it was maybe like only the second or third one

9:23

I'd recorded, and it's still one of the ones I

9:25

get mentioned to me the most. Yeah,

9:29

and I'm really glad we did actually, because it

9:32

sounds like a bit of an odd thing

9:34

to sort of have a conversation that's

9:37

a bit more structured. But actually, I

9:39

think there were so many things we spoke about that we

9:41

hadn't really spoken about outside of it. Absolutely,

9:43

yeah. Absolutely, that was my memory too, that it

9:46

was a chance really without

9:48

interruptions, small people in the house, and

9:50

actually big people too, and life generally, a chance

9:52

to really explore some of the things that we know we think

9:55

and we were comfortable with, but we didn't say

9:57

a lot very often. Yeah, it was really lovely.

11:59

the gap needed to be at the top even what

12:02

sort of shoes and it's so good

12:04

that that thing that you want for

12:06

your child which is to put shoes on and then for actually

12:08

then forget about their feet know that those

12:10

shoes can take them down the road or up a tree

12:12

and you know safely by your side is

12:15

really lovely

12:16

and thank goodness we have something

12:18

like that and it's synonymous with that source

12:20

of care and down the years

12:23

you know from you and to Jack and Martha

12:25

your brother and sister to all five

12:27

of your boys you know safely entrusted with a

12:30

pair of shoes but then in the best

12:32

way you can forget about it you know they are

12:34

safely shod for a while and

12:36

I've always thought with with small children particularly

12:39

you know if their shoes fit then

12:41

they're going to be happy you know there's nothing

12:43

worse than wearing ill-fitting shoes and

12:45

you're never going to get that

12:46

with larks which is great also

12:48

you want kids to associate getting

12:51

their feet measured and getting your shoes

12:53

is a happy thing not something that's going to be uncomfortable

12:55

or they're going to be forgotten about and I'm

12:57

glad that clocks make such a fuss about first

13:00

shoes because it is a big deal to you so

13:02

you're it's nice that it's sort of shared with the people that

13:04

are measuring them and all of them spend a long time

13:06

carrying your children when they're small and suddenly you're

13:08

going to put them down onto different surfaces

13:11

and alongside you on pavements and roads

13:13

and getting in and off out of public transport

13:15

you know it's a big deal it is a big deal and

13:17

I guess also there's so much of a thing

13:19

about the tradition of you

13:22

know the little shoes we'd had when we were small I

13:24

know you've got mine and Jack's and Martha's

13:26

still and how they're all worn

13:28

and all the little scuffs and everything and then

13:30

you know like I've quite often taken

13:33

pictures of the boys shoes when they're all kind of lined

13:35

up and you've got from like big to smaller little shoes

13:37

there's something about the character that goes into

13:39

a shoe that's kind of unlike anything

13:42

else they put on really such a measurement isn't it

13:44

I mean it's like the marks on the back of the door when kids

13:46

are growing yeah those their feet

13:48

growing is also you know inescapably

13:51

a mark of them getting older yeah

13:53

it's so true I mean I think

13:57

I have a memory of getting shoes

13:59

clark shoes when I was small, they weren't just my

14:01

first shoes, they were like

14:02

patent party shoes. Party shoes.

14:04

Yeah, that was a big

14:05

deal. Yeah, that was a big deal. In fact, I remember

14:08

really well having my feet measured. I

14:10

thought, so the one we used to go to, the

14:12

local one to us when I was small, was the one we had to have

14:14

like the electronic, the machine.

14:17

That always felt really exciting. Richmond, yeah.

14:19

In Richmond, yeah. But now, when

14:21

Mickey went the other day, and I think for

14:24

all the kids actually, they've just used the little ribbon one,

14:26

where you know, the top thing. Yeah. I can still

14:28

remember having my feet measured and just thinking, please

14:30

let them have grown, please let them have grown, so that I could get

14:32

to have new shoes. But

14:35

the patent ones were real. The patent were really

14:37

special. Dream pair. And actually, I

14:39

still love a little patent

14:41

shoe that's got a little buckle. And I have those,

14:43

like little Mary Jane patents. My

14:46

dad used to score

14:48

the underside just to make sure I wouldn't slip in them. That

14:50

was so sweet. It was very sweet, yeah. But

14:53

yes, and it completes the look, doesn't

14:55

it? It really does. You know, what's a party dress

14:58

or a party outfit without a bit of patent? Yeah.

15:00

Still think like that. It's so true. And I think,

15:02

you know, when you're small, you're quite often,

15:05

I mean, I think quite a lot of the things I would wear

15:07

might be things that you'd said, oh, this is nice, that's nice. And

15:09

you put them on, and you don't really think about what you're wearing on

15:11

your front when you're getting dressed. You just

15:13

look down at your feet a lot, don't you? Yeah. I can really

15:16

clearly remember starting school,

15:18

actually, and looking down at my

15:21

feet as we walked out of the hall from the first

15:23

assembly and

15:23

thinking, these are big, nasty.

15:25

It's really

15:27

clarified. I can't remember what public event it was, but

15:30

we think these are something

15:31

which is quite momentous.

15:33

And you seem to be enthralled with it, absolutely

15:35

enthralled.

15:35

You were really, because there was something on the ground. I think

15:38

we were reading bouquets of flowers, let's say. So

15:40

there was something on the ground, definitely. And you seemed incredibly

15:42

interested in what was going on. And

15:45

then I realized you were actually looking at your shoes. You

15:47

were just looking at your shoes. And that's fair

15:50

enough. But yeah, yeah, obviously,

15:52

you were very interested in current affairs and everything.

15:54

Mostly it was that day,

15:55

they must have been

15:57

you. They

15:58

must have been you. Because there's also the...

20:35

You

22:00

would definitely buy them. My first feline shoes.

22:04

I think even though we have a lot of stuff,

22:07

we know where most things are. I know where you have

22:10

our old shoes, for example, the little baby shoes

22:12

that you kept on the way down to the kitchen

22:14

on the side. But I do

22:16

think you should try and hunt that. I'd really love to see

22:18

your Clark's Lucky Shoes Club badge. I

22:21

would definitely try and find that. Yes. That's

22:23

special. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you

22:25

should pin it on your coat now. You

22:27

still have lucky shoes. Yes. And it

22:29

would probably fetch more than a blue Peter Pursy.

22:33

Let's not test this. I'm not selling these ones anymore.

22:35

I've stopped

22:35

that now. Aw,

22:38

thank you, Mum.

22:40

Oh, what a pleasure.

22:49

Aw, thank you so much to my

22:51

mum for coming over to have a chat with me

22:53

about all those lovely things. I really hope she

22:55

finds her badge. That

22:57

sounds adorable. And it's

22:59

just like my mum to remember it in such detail. She's

23:01

got a photographic memory, don't you know? And

23:04

thank you so much to Clark's for partnering with Spinning Tapes

23:06

for the whole podcast and for

23:08

letting me do this extra special bonus episode. It

23:11

really has felt special. And it's been really

23:13

lovely to look back on some firsts and some

23:15

memories. It's made me want to go and find all

23:17

the pictures from my kids' childhoods, from when

23:19

they got their first shoes. And actually,

23:22

I have pictures, obviously, from Mickey's,

23:24

from his first shoes, but also more recently

23:26

from visiting the Kingston branch of Clark's

23:28

and getting his first school shoes. And if

23:30

you want to recreate

23:31

any first pictures with your kids, well, Clark's

23:33

have a really good filter. It enables you

23:36

to take a photo either in store or at home,

23:38

and then you can share that special first, and you

23:40

can share it with your friends and your family. And yeah,

23:42

they've got a filter for you to help you do that. And

23:45

do remember, shop Clark's first shoe

23:47

collection now, or you can book an appointment for an in-store

23:49

fitting at clarks.co.uk. Loads

23:52

of lovely shoes for your little ones on there. And

23:54

yeah, this has just been an absolute joy. I've really

23:57

loved doing a bonus episode, and I've really loved

23:59

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