0:03

Welcome end

2:00

with. So as is usually the case, who

2:03

those goddesses are and what they were

2:05

associated with definitely depends on the time

2:07

period that we're talking about and also like the

2:09

region of Greece that we're referring to, which is

2:12

something that we don't talk a lot about

2:14

here on the show, but is very important

2:16

to like understanding different goddesses

2:18

and their roles in society. Julia, overall,

2:20

I've been thinking about muses and

2:22

I don't know, being visited by inspiration.

2:24

I know it's something that we talk about a

2:26

lot. I had the opportunity to kind of

2:29

interview you about you as a creative

2:31

professional and your creative origins for a

2:33

show we do here at Multitude behind

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our our multi crew only

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club. And we talked a lot about like

2:43

where inspiration comes from and how to stay

2:45

connected to your creativity. And it's something that

2:48

I'm working on myself personally this year. So

2:50

that's the lens I'm bringing to this episode

2:52

and something I'm excited to think and talk

2:54

more about. Yes, I am as well. And

2:57

I think that the Greek muses are really

2:59

interesting kind of example of

3:02

kind of specializing in

3:04

mythology, particularly gods and goddesses, we

3:06

tend to see a lot of

3:09

different gods and goddesses have like domains

3:11

that is their main domain, but then

3:13

they have very separate domains. There's one

3:15

muse that is kind of the exception

3:17

to this rule. But in general, these

3:20

are like very specified domains that we're

3:22

going to be talking about. So I'm

3:24

very excited to talk about it. But

3:27

the standardized muses from sort of the

3:29

like peak of ancient Greek history, the

3:31

classical era of Greek history, they

3:34

were Calliope, Cleo, Polyhemia,

3:37

your terpe, Terpsichore,

3:40

Arato, Malpomene, Talia,

3:44

and Urania. Okay, Calliope

3:46

and Cleo I've heard of before Terpsichore

3:48

sounds so much like a Pokemon that

3:50

I'm extremely mad that's not true. Yeah,

3:54

the folks who have

3:56

been watching the current season of

3:58

Dimension You might recognize that name

4:01

as one of the NPCs that is being utilized

4:03

in the show, but you'll hear more about her

4:05

in a little bit. Classic

4:07

D&D drawing from a capital C

4:09

classical mythology. Exactly. So

4:11

before we dig into these

4:14

individual goddesses themselves, let's

4:16

talk a little bit more about the origins

4:18

of the Muses and their role in

4:20

Greek mythology. So we

4:23

know that the first records of

4:25

the Muses comes from like central

4:27

Greece, particularly they're from a

4:29

region that was called Boeotia, though

4:31

the ancient Greeks, in tracing their

4:33

own history, believed that the goddesses

4:36

were first worshipped in Thrace. Now

4:39

in Thrace, there were only three

4:41

Muses, though obviously they expanded to

4:43

nine by the time that someone

4:45

like Homer was talking about them,

4:47

for example. Feels divine, three sets

4:49

of three. Exactly. Amanda,

4:52

you're already looking ahead

4:54

and doing all the things. I love it.

4:56

It's so great. Hell yeah.

4:58

In Delphi, as you know, the

5:02

home of the Oracle of Delphi,

5:04

the three Muses were also worshipped

5:06

for a time. And because of

5:08

Delphi's association with the god Apollo,

5:10

who is associated with prophecy, they

5:12

were also associated with the three

5:15

chords of the instrument, the lyre,

5:17

which was gifted to Apollo by

5:19

Hermes and is one of his symbols. Nice.

5:23

In some of the later worship

5:25

of these versions of the Muses,

5:27

they were considered the daughters of

5:29

Apollo. We'll kind of see that

5:31

Apollo and the Muses are kind

5:33

of intrinsically linked in a lot of

5:36

different versions of this mythology. But

5:38

the three Muses, like as a group

5:40

of three rather than a group

5:43

of nine, would also be repeated

5:45

by the Roman scholar Varro, who

5:47

would go further to say that

5:50

they embodied practice, memory,

5:53

and song. Specifically, he gets into

5:56

detail. Quote, one born

5:58

from the movement of water. another

6:00

who makes sound by striking the

6:02

air, and a third who is

6:05

embodied only by the human voice.

6:07

This is fascinating. I have so many things I'm

6:10

already thinking about, and I'm excited to see how

6:12

they evolve over time. But

6:14

to begin with, I have to say, the idea

6:16

of sound as striking the

6:18

air is incredibly accurate to physics

6:20

and a very helpful metaphor for,

6:23

like, acoustical engineering that I'm definitely

6:25

going to steal. Yeah, I think

6:27

that's something that's really interesting. I

6:29

always really love when, like, early

6:32

humans who don't quite understand science

6:34

as we understand it today or

6:36

physics as we understand it today,

6:38

being able to, like, pull out

6:41

things that are true and interesting

6:43

about science is always like, I'm

6:45

like, man, we, like, kind of

6:47

got it, even if we didn't know, like, the

6:49

math behind it yet. That's so cool. And

6:51

it makes me even more mad about,

6:53

like, scientific gatekeeping, indigenous ways of knowing,

6:56

treating them as less true and

6:58

less valid. I hope we're unpacking that

7:00

bias with our entire show. But this

7:02

is just one of many examples. The

7:04

racism of, oh, aliens must have

7:06

built these pyramids because these people

7:08

couldn't have understood how that math

7:10

and science works. Exactly.

7:12

So back in classical Greek times,

7:14

going away from Varro and the

7:17

Romans, Hesiod was the first

7:19

to write about the nine muses

7:21

as the nine daughters of Zeus

7:24

and the goddess Nemecene, who is

7:26

the personification of memory and is

7:28

one of the titans, so the

7:31

divine child of Gaia and Uranus.

7:33

Now at this point, the nine

7:36

goddesses, which again, you pointed

7:38

out so eloquently before Amanda a triple

7:40

form of the triad that was previously

7:42

worshipped, they didn't quite have

7:44

their specific functions. That

7:47

wouldn't come until later during the Hellenistic

7:49

period. But what we do know is

7:51

that when Hesiod was writing about them

7:54

during the classical period, the goddesses were

7:56

generally just like, in general, embodying

7:58

art and creation. Might as

8:00

well as inspiring. Those who created through.

8:02

Oral tradition as well as

8:05

improvise song. Writing and dance which

8:07

were like. The kind of

8:09

like classical. Art forms of

8:11

Classical Greek. Now

8:13

has he had also tells a

8:15

story. About how the birth of

8:18

them he says brought people forgetfulness.

8:20

Saying just forgetfulness sounds bad, but

8:22

what has the out with actually

8:25

meaning when he says that is

8:27

that there are an inspiration brought

8:29

humanity away to forget the pain

8:31

of their lives as was the

8:34

pain. Of constant obligations Oh sure

8:36

that we may say, like escapism

8:38

or transcendence as early as sort

8:41

of synonym. Their exactly. Like he's

8:43

talking about a world in which like

8:45

art does not exist. Where are you

8:47

like? Beauty of the world that is

8:49

created by humanity does not exist and

8:52

that is a very painful world in

8:54

which to live in That's amazing I

8:56

think has the I was around the

8:58

money. You can tell Julia I'm. I'm

9:01

gonna do a little a little pull over

9:03

the cari here. I've been doing a lot

9:05

of reading about social them Recently I've been

9:07

really articular early on my Etti Capital Offense.

9:10

And ah yeah, like think. About

9:12

a world where all of your

9:14

time is. You know,

9:16

occupied by toil in

9:19

capitalists productions from. Any. Of it.

9:21

onto thing too far, that's that's. pretty close to where we

9:23

arts. Are and not being

9:25

able to forget our. Pain

9:27

Obligation Labor Schedule. What's

9:30

the point and cells thinking about again

9:33

these ah these abuses as a way

9:35

to or in a source of sort

9:37

of like picking yourself up from that

9:40

river of time and obligation and flow

9:42

and materiality. Ah and be able to

9:44

just be and just express and enjoy

9:47

and loves and live like I. I'm

9:50

so into it, that's that's the point of being alive for me. Yeah.

9:52

I mean think about the living in

9:55

the capitalist society that we currently live

9:57

in and go to work and you

9:59

come home. What is like the first

10:01

thing you do besides eat? you probably like put

10:03

on some music or turn on the tv in

10:05

watch a movie or television. Show or you read

10:07

a book before you go. To bed? Play

10:10

a game? Yeah. anything. Imagine a

10:12

world without those things to distract

10:14

you from the like capitalists health

10:16

keep we live in. That would

10:19

be. A world without them uses and that's what

10:21

has he that saying When he likes he brings

10:23

these people. Forgetfulness in that they don't

10:25

have to constantly think. About their

10:27

obligations and responsibilities and the pain of their

10:29

lot. fascinating I would kind of question like

10:32

will which of those is real right? like

10:34

which of those of the one we want.

10:36

To spend the most time in spite, I'm

10:38

I'm excited. A perfectly honest, More so. Moving

10:40

on. As I mentioned earlier, The Muses

10:42

or says he with the god Apollo mainly.

10:45

Because of his association with Music in the

10:47

Arts. Now there's a couple of stories in

10:49

which like The Muses and. Apollo are kind

10:51

of linked said the first one. I'll tell

10:53

you is a story in which

10:56

they acted as judges for a

10:58

contest between Apollo and a Cedar

11:00

named Marseilles. Now it's just like

11:02

an Olympic situation is as upset

11:04

situation as as an American Ninja

11:07

Warrior I. It's very kind of

11:09

classic Greek. Oh, I'm going to challenge

11:11

her dogs because I think I'm better than them.

11:13

Hubris situation. Okay okay ah it's

11:15

it's a real So it's It's

11:17

a music. Face. Competition.

11:20

Data. I guess like. The voice customers.

11:23

Or. Masks singer Where we're supposed to

11:25

judge people on their merits and not

11:27

their personality. Okay, let's say okay so.

11:30

This. Cedar Marseus out with said to

11:32

be an expert player of the

11:34

double read sloot kind of similar

11:36

to an oboe which was known

11:38

as the Alice. Now in an

11:40

active. Hubris: As I mentioned before, he

11:43

challenges Apollo to a contest to prove

11:45

that he was the better musician and

11:47

the winner will be able to treat

11:49

the loser however he wanted. That is

11:51

like the room words that one gets

11:53

if they were the contest against the

11:55

God right back. Nearly the couple of different

11:57

versions of how. This contestants so.

12:00

One version he plays his flute

12:02

sell well that it puts everyone

12:04

into a frenzy which causes them

12:06

to like dance, wilde, bleed, or

12:08

But then Apollo places liar and

12:10

he's able to com everyone down

12:12

and claim victory. There's another version

12:14

that says that Marseilles was able

12:17

to actually defeat Apollo, but then

12:19

Apollo began to sing along with

12:21

his playing of the Liar and

12:23

so he has proclaimed the victor.

12:25

By the measles and he m me while

12:27

Marseilles. Is like well that's not. Fair. We're supposed

12:30

to be good are judged on the married

12:32

of how well we. Play and Apollo's

12:34

like, well not only are the news

12:36

is in charge, of the like playing

12:38

of instruments but they are also in

12:40

charge of the songs that come out

12:42

of our mouths are mouth to is

12:45

an instrument is basically had thoughts of

12:47

their bomber did not what we talked

12:49

about at all now. Not fair in

12:51

in my opinion, but okay, Apollo. and then

12:53

the last. Version of the tell that I

12:55

found. Is that Marseilles yet again

12:58

is able to claim victory over

13:00

Apollo? Until Apollo being the show

13:02

off that he is, turns his

13:04

liar upside down and he's able

13:06

to play with the same amount

13:08

of skill. And Marseilles is like

13:10

I'm playing a sloop. I can't

13:12

do the has assess assess the

13:14

it's other work. That way him so

13:16

he's like i guess I lose butler.

13:19

Has been it's been for down to a

13:21

god of the first place. Apollo has him

13:23

skinned alive and and use his skin as

13:25

a wind. Sack. May

13:30

neat. To

13:32

see the North Pole and it's also a hubris

13:34

than. Oh boy. I mean

13:36

yes, don't challenge God but his

13:39

anything worth becoming a gods line

13:41

flag is no no, no Ah

13:43

man, this is hubris for you

13:45

baby. The Greeks had strong opinions

13:48

about it. Man, no one does.

13:50

Anecdotes. Like the Greeks near. Interestingly

13:53

the news as themselves were

13:55

sometimes even challenge the in

13:57

similar contests. So. For example, there.

14:00

The A Three Sin singer whose name

14:02

was the My Wrist who was in

14:04

love with one. Of the lovers of

14:06

Apollo whose name is Hyacinth. Oh.

14:09

Now. Julia Hyacinth is a flower. Therefore,

14:11

I think something bad happened to this

14:13

woman we have so it's a dude

14:15

actually Okay and Hyacinth. Also we've talked

14:18

about in the Apollo episode as one

14:20

of the lovers of Apollo. something does

14:22

happen to him that is terrible and

14:24

them he gets turned into a flower.

14:27

As you can imagine. Because this is

14:29

Greek Mythology? Yep. But. Basically, the Myers

14:31

wanted to win Hyacinth love despite

14:33

the fact that Hyacinth was in

14:35

love with Apollo and says he wrote

14:37

him many songs that he performed for

14:40

Hyacinth But House and Unmoved. By those

14:42

songs and since his frustration. The myra

14:44

to brag that he can surpass. Even

14:47

The Muses invoice. Basically. He's like

14:49

what's your problem like I am so

14:51

talented at singing why don't you love

14:53

me I mean I need them better

14:56

than them users are I I definitely

14:58

get the frustration of being like how

15:00

how could you be unmoved by this?

15:02

That man just just don't invoke the

15:04

gods, just just spit to the mortal

15:07

coil they beat to death. So obviously

15:09

the muses angered by this except the

15:11

bragg as a challenge and some Iris

15:13

was like okay, well I'll do the

15:15

challenge with you if I win. One

15:18

of you have to become my bride. I was

15:20

like first off your so in love with this

15:22

other guy of a sudden. Now you want to

15:24

have one of these women as your bride? Find

15:26

whatever. but. Really this is very second act

15:28

of a rom com. the I really find

15:30

it you have a good teacher, neighbors were

15:32

whatever and that your best friend your boss

15:34

would efforts and then you know after only

15:36

after doing that. You guys like want to

15:39

be with you the whole time. Yes it's

15:41

also very. Like trophy wife is.

15:43

I think. Yeah, so The Muses.

15:45

Are like okay accepting the challenge.

15:48

But Amanda thirty their the givers

15:50

of musical inspirations. So what? these

15:52

his his They. simply stole away

15:54

his singing voice and also robbed him

15:56

of his ability to play the liar

15:58

ah i mean Yeah, and since

16:01

he couldn't compete with them, he's punished and

16:03

he has his eyes gouged out by the goddesses

16:05

Oh, no, yeah the eyes and not the

16:07

throat. Why not make him not able to sin I

16:10

don't know. Well, they already they already made it

16:12

impossible for him to sing. They're like, oh,

16:14

we're just gonna also gouge your eyes out They

16:16

didn't even give it back. Oh, no, he does

16:18

not get it back. Ah No,

16:22

so despite the fact that these are

16:24

goddesses of art and song and music and

16:27

all the other things that we consider like

16:29

Nice and like important to society They're

16:31

also just as vengeful and vindictive as any

16:33

of the other gods and goddesses Especially

16:35

when they're crossed the way that the Mairis

16:38

crossed them, you know, Julia, they're Greek gods.

16:40

They're going to be petty bitches They

16:43

are they are there's one more story about them

16:45

being kind of petty bitches and this one comes

16:47

from Ovid's metamorphosis So

16:49

there is a king named Pyrrhus

16:51

who named his nine daughters after

16:53

the nine muses. That's nice. Very nice

16:55

Okay, you have nine daughters. You gotta

16:58

name him after the muses Exactly,

17:00

and then he starts bragging that their skills

17:02

are greater than the muses of their various art

17:04

forms So

17:10

he challenges the muses which come

17:13

on guys come on obviously

17:15

they lose the muses transform them

17:18

into Jays or

17:20

magpies depending on what the translation is

17:22

And so they are constantly chattering and

17:24

singing and that is why those

17:26

birds are constantly like calling out

17:29

Oh, no, that's like having five sons

17:31

naming them after the like 92 Chicago

17:34

Bulls and then being like Michael Jordan Let

17:36

me go to your house and tell you

17:38

why my children are better than you like

17:40

you're not wrong That's exactly what

17:43

that is. Come on Alright,

17:46

we'll talk about the muses themselves. Like

17:48

I Said, there's nine of them by

17:50

the classical period They were associated by

17:52

this point with specific types of art.

17:54

So We have: Calliope Who's the muse

17:56

of epic poetry Cleo Who's the muse

17:58

of History? Mia who's

18:00

the news of mine and some other

18:02

stuff will get into it. You'd her

18:05

pay? Who is the news of the

18:07

flute, terps the core, Who is the

18:09

muse averse and dance Or Rado who

18:11

is the news of Coral Poetry Nepal

18:13

Many who is the news of tragedy

18:15

Like in terms of performance. Dot like

18:18

actual by tragedy Yaya tally

18:20

of abuse of comedy and

18:22

uranium The news of. Astronomy and

18:24

will be doing a deeper dive

18:26

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we're back and kind of unsurprisingly, there

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are a lot of cocktails that evoke

23:43

the muses. They're constantly like, you

23:45

know, writers need a little bit of divine

23:48

inspiration in terms of alcohol.

23:50

Sometimes artists are very similar.

23:53

But My personal favorite is a cocktail

23:55

from the Bar Dead Rabbit in New

23:57

York City called the Artist's Muse. Now

24:00

this is a college bittersweet. Very

24:03

like Fruit Forward cocktail it's got

24:05

pissed go and Suzanne as well

24:07

as crammed to pass and lemon

24:09

juice so it's like very like

24:11

fruity and a little bit like

24:13

bitter. And a little sweet and like

24:15

I just think that really great factor.

24:17

It seems like a full palette of

24:19

flavors if he will and set of

24:22

thing about. Like a citrus in

24:24

particular. it's just reminds me of

24:26

like sitting in you know the

24:28

dappled sunshine on the you know

24:30

banks. the river san me. Beyond

24:32

these you know the cliffs of

24:34

Greece may be were on the

24:36

shores of like that the Arctic

24:38

Circle looking out over a landscape

24:40

ready to like you know set

24:42

forth and Byronic verse. I like

24:44

or that's awesome. So with these

24:46

and hand let's dig. Into our

24:48

visas will start First. With

24:51

Calliopes who's the news of epic poetry

24:53

as well as eloquence and with considered

24:55

by some such as has yard and

24:58

of it's to be the chief. Of

25:00

the Muses. So. Has he? I'd

25:02

certainly considered her the wisest of the

25:04

news is an kind of portrayed her

25:07

as being the most assertive of the

25:09

ninth a lotta times when like for

25:11

example in these ones where they are

25:13

being challenged. By Subarus men mostly she

25:15

the one that is kind of leading

25:18

the charge in the challenge itself and

25:20

something about epic poetry gives me main

25:22

character By the something feels like the

25:24

the narrator and maybe it's because it's

25:26

the art that I personally a most

25:29

drawn to. But in a sense to

25:31

me that somebody has to be in

25:33

charge exactly And this season like an

25:35

incredibly important news not only like mythology.

25:37

But also in like the

25:39

history of. Ancient Greece because she

25:42

is said to be the muse that

25:44

inspired Homer for his telling of the

25:46

Iliad and the Odyssey. There. He

25:48

go Now She is usually depicted as

25:50

carrying a writing tablet or like a

25:52

scroll of paper or like a roll

25:55

of paper. or and she is often

25:57

depicted. As wearing a gold crown.

26:00

Now. She has several see miss children

26:02

and was said to be married. To

26:04

one of the kings of. Threes and

26:07

with him. though sometimes as

26:09

weaved often talk about in Greek

26:11

mythology a. Parentage,

26:13

And lineage can be complicated depending on

26:15

who is telling the story in the

26:17

first place. so they have not obsessive

26:19

three times as the time. So. He.

26:21

Might have been the king a threes.

26:23

It might have also been that these

26:26

children were father, die Apollo Again, it

26:28

depends. But she gave birth to the

26:30

famous musician and master of. Rhetoric

26:32

Whiteness. Which Linus was an

26:34

ancient Greek name? I sure didn't I

26:36

really associate him with the penis? Yes,

26:39

Elsa really have been. Hit with

26:41

the ocean's Eleven. So yes, so.

26:43

Linus was said to have been

26:45

at the inventor of melody and

26:47

rhyme which is really interesting and

26:49

was said to have been killed

26:51

by a young Hercules when he

26:53

attempted to play the Liar and

26:55

Line. It's was like you're playing

26:58

the wrong. Know if you're embarrassing

27:00

me, please don't do this and

27:02

Hercules flew into a rage and

27:04

killed him with his own Bleier.

27:06

You know we really forget about

27:08

Pre Labor's Hercules and what a

27:10

problematic saviors. Is out there.

27:12

Kill him in like he was like

27:14

a teenager. At this point you are

27:16

like as you know, like a young

27:19

adult basically. and then he does murders

27:21

hand with his own musical instruments bomber.

27:23

She also was most notably the mother

27:25

of the famous singer Orpheus. Never.

27:28

you know who refuses. Hey, we've got lots

27:30

of episodes on a Creek without Dmz. Go

27:32

back and find it. episode on Orpheus and

27:34

Year at Se I believe in. See

27:37

was also said to have

27:39

bird to go through different

27:41

fathers the sirens as well

27:43

as the quarry bounties. Who

27:46

were at the armed and dangerous

27:48

dancers? Who worships the goddess civilly.

27:51

With their dancing and will talk a little

27:53

bit more about them later because again it

27:55

depends on who's telling the story and lineage

27:57

and stuff like that. But there is another muse

27:59

that with. The other hand, to be the

28:01

mother of those. I'm glad because I hear

28:03

armed. And dangerous dancers and. You

28:05

know I have to know more exactly, aren't.

28:08

Next up we have the goddess

28:10

Cleo, who is the news of

28:12

history Now her name comes from

28:14

the Greek word that means to

28:16

recounts, to make see, miss, or

28:18

to celebrate. Oh, which I really

28:20

like that. And as such, she's

28:22

also known as one of her

28:24

epithets, which is the Proclaimers. That's

28:26

very. Good job right at. Very good

28:28

sushi. Like her sister is often seen

28:30

with a scroll. Or a book or a set

28:33

of tablets. But is also seen holding

28:35

a trumpet again tying her back to

28:37

that role of the proclaimers. Now see

28:39

has one son of Notes which is

28:42

Hyacinth who I mentioned earlier who's the

28:44

lover of Apollo are and ironically she

28:46

was said to have been the a

28:48

lover of purists who you might also

28:51

remember as that king who. Named all

28:53

his daughters after the muses and then

28:55

claim to the they talented than them

28:57

and they got turned into birds. Now

28:59

I'm not sure what a timeline of

29:01

that is but Cleo was not the

29:04

mother of those daughters are and it

29:06

was said that she really to fall

29:08

in love with the king by Aphrodite

29:10

after Cleo had chastise the love.is about

29:12

her affair with the mortal man Adonis.

29:14

Just just never never say anything. To

29:16

Aphrodite's of is kind of my role of. Them. So

29:19

I have a feeling that it was like

29:21

pure is had these nine. Daughters bragged

29:23

about them the nine daughter's got turned

29:25

into birds. Cleo said something to offer

29:27

Dc about her relationship with Adonis Everyday

29:30

be made her fall in love with

29:32

this man who was punished via his

29:34

hubris before it all. completely. Check that.

29:37

Guess that makes sense to me. Timeline

29:39

was at least. Are

29:41

right next of we have poly

29:43

him near who is the news

29:45

of secret poetry and him as

29:48

well as dance, eloquent pantomime and

29:50

oddly enough for them uses agriculture

29:52

play agricultural are three love to

29:54

see it sees also the one.

29:56

That I credited as being the

29:58

the news of Mine. Would you

30:00

think is very funny? two candidates all

30:02

over the place in terms of her

30:04

domains? Certainly. Yeah, mine is

30:07

less. Of a mainstream art

30:09

form. I do know people who went

30:11

to Clown and Mine school same which

30:13

you know it's a it's a a

30:15

Whole world's adjacent to theater with in

30:18

the theater community. Extremely funny on it's

30:20

face that when you say the got

30:22

my that he'd also said to be

30:24

the inventor of meditation and geometry say

30:26

cheese is a jack of all trades

30:28

will have that for her Well see

30:30

she is. Actually despite. All of this

30:33

being like the The Goddess a pantomime

30:35

and agriculture and meditation and geometry and

30:37

saker. Perjury and him she is

30:39

said to be one of the

30:41

more serious. Of the news is. So

30:44

often times in art she's seen holding

30:46

a singer to. Her mouth like

30:48

I'm I'm I'm who has.

30:50

Meditation. I'm I'm I I guess.

30:52

very with forces you to geometry silently.

30:55

Say take her to do math Quietly The

30:57

smoke poured into her. Society do you

30:59

undertake a finger to the mouth

31:01

and also is usually dressed in

31:03

a long cloak and avail like

31:05

covering the majority of her body

31:07

as opposed to the other muses

31:09

who are dressed in formal attire

31:11

but. And. Also not like

31:13

ours a slutty but she is still

31:15

definitely dress. Modestly, Juliet and

31:18

everybody knows or that if you're

31:20

going to do. Geometry. If

31:22

we're gonna do farming, you

31:24

have to be modestly dressed

31:26

completely. Silent. Filtered.

31:29

The to preconditions to

31:31

success. Her especially at

31:33

the woman spatially of woman from.

31:35

So. Her name means many praises

31:38

which might be a nod

31:40

to the fact that she

31:42

has so many different associations

31:44

and demands and the Greek

31:46

historian ideal Doris Sekula us

31:48

describes her as quote because

31:50

by her great praises she

31:52

brings distinction to raiders who's

31:54

works have one them immortal

31:56

seem despite her very seriousness

31:58

and be. All over the. place, she

32:00

is someone who brings distinction to

32:02

those who call upon her, which

32:05

is very nice. All kidding aside, I really love

32:07

the view of geometry

32:09

and gesture and agriculture as creative

32:12

arts because they absolutely are. Yes.

32:15

So her one notable child

32:17

is the hero Triptolemus, who

32:19

was said to have taught

32:22

human beings about agriculture and

32:24

was pivotal in spreading the

32:26

Ellusinian mysteries, as we've talked

32:28

about in the Demeter episode. Very important. Very

32:31

cool. Also probably why she is associated

32:33

with agriculture via her child. You

32:35

know, Julia, they talk about STEM and they talk about

32:38

STEAM, but they don't talk about, um,

32:40

STIM. YAM. With

32:43

two M's and the last M is for MIME. Oh,

32:45

STIM. Gotcha. I

32:48

was throwing an extra A in there for agriculture,

32:50

but also I like the extra M for MIME.

32:52

You can't forget the MIME. And there's

32:55

a silent G for geometry. So just so you

32:57

know. Yeah. I can't, I'm gonna do it.

33:01

All right. Uturpe is up

33:03

next. She presided over a

33:05

music and lyric poetry. She

33:07

was referred to as, quote, the giver

33:10

of delight. And her

33:12

name comes from the words for

33:14

rejoicing well and to please. Now

33:16

she is often shown holding the

33:18

double flute and was said to have

33:21

invented wind instruments in general, which

33:23

is pretty cool. Very cool. You

33:26

remember that story about the Seder that I

33:28

was telling you about, uh, Marsaias. It

33:30

was said that the Alice, that, that double

33:32

flute oboe thing that I mentioned that he

33:35

played, she was said to have invented that

33:37

as well. So like he really was like

33:40

tempting fate by saying like,

33:42

Oh, I'm more skilled than Apollo

33:44

at this. When one of the judges

33:46

was the person who invented that instrument

33:48

in the first place. I

33:51

know the double flute is a real thing. Am

33:53

I picturing the like 12 necked

33:56

guitar from Mad Max Fury Road? I

33:59

am. And it also shoots fire.

34:01

I love that. I love it. All

34:05

right. So she was often called

34:07

upon by musicians to inspire and

34:09

guide them in making

34:11

their music, usually through

34:13

prayer. And the Thracian King,

34:16

Rufus, he was said to

34:18

be her son. And he is

34:21

most famous for having

34:23

fought on the side or having

34:25

aligned himself on the side of

34:27

the Trojans during the Trojan War. I need to

34:29

specify that he didn't fight on the side of

34:31

the Trojans because he arrived late to

34:34

the war and was killed in his

34:36

sleep without ever engaging in battle. It's

34:40

pretty bad. It's not great. Julia,

34:42

it's just like L.

34:44

Ron Hubbard's actual service record in World War

34:46

II compared to what he claims. Facts.

34:50

All right. That's all we have for

34:52

her. But Terpsichore, whose name

34:54

means delight in dancing, was the

34:56

muse of dance and chorus. Like,

34:58

you know, we talk about the

35:00

Greek chorus as like the beginning

35:02

of theater, right? Terpsichore was in

35:04

charge of the chorus. And

35:07

I'm so glad you asked, Julia. I'm

35:09

really feeling Terpsichore as like a grass

35:11

fairy type, with like

35:13

some motion of the wind. There's some, you

35:15

know, with the fairy powers

35:17

there in the Pokemon universe, you can put

35:19

folks asleep or entrance them or sort of

35:22

like, you know, enrapture them, put them under

35:24

a spell, which in my opinion is what

35:26

theater feels like. Yes, I think you're exactly

35:28

on the money. And I think that's really

35:30

interesting because of the next point that I'm

35:32

going to make, which is despite being the

35:35

goddess of dance, she is almost always

35:37

depicted in art as sitting down.

35:39

Really? Because she is playing the

35:41

liar to inspire the dancers with her

35:44

music. Oh, nice. So she's not

35:46

doing the dancing herself. Also, I follow a bunch

35:48

of dancers that use mobility aids. And,

35:51

you know, being seated doesn't mean you're not dancing.

35:53

Hell yeah. So we don't have a

35:55

ton of information on her. Unfortunately, she is

35:57

also said to be the mother

35:59

of Sirens, which is something that

36:01

Calliope, as I mentioned, was also

36:03

given credit for. However, she was

36:06

said to be the mother of

36:08

the Thracian king Bistin, who was

36:10

fathered by the god of war Aries.

36:13

Now Bistin was famous

36:15

for his worship and devotion to the

36:17

cult of Aries, and was also famous

36:19

for the fact that he sought out

36:21

an oracle on how best to defeat

36:23

a rival city and their army. And

36:26

the oracle was like, what if you

36:29

tattooed all of your citizens

36:31

with cool eye patterns? And

36:34

if you do that, you'll win. And

36:36

so did he? And so he did. And

36:38

did they win? And they did end up winning. So,

36:41

okay, great. I mean, listen, if I

36:43

were an oracle, I'd be like, what

36:46

if you socialized healthcare? Just

36:49

as a guest. And then you'll definitely

36:51

win this trade war. And

36:53

everyone's like, I guess so. And then by the

36:55

time they do it. I mean, everything is better. And so

36:57

then they win. Amanda, I really appreciate you using your oracular

37:00

powers for good. Thank

37:03

you. Thank you. All right.

37:05

So we'll hop over to Arotto next. And

37:07

she was the muse of erotic and lyrical

37:09

poetry. Now her name means desired

37:11

or lovely. And she was said to

37:13

charm and bewitch those who set their

37:15

eyes upon her. I mean, I should hope so. I

37:18

as well. So she wears a

37:20

wreath of myrtle and roses and

37:22

is also usually seen holding a

37:24

liar. Again, that association with Apollo and the

37:26

fact that they were like, weren't a ton of

37:28

other instruments really at the time for the

37:30

ancient Greek. But sometimes it's

37:32

not a liar at all. I say

37:34

that, but sometimes she is holding something

37:37

called a kithara, which

37:39

is a seven string liar as

37:41

opposed to Apollo's like three string

37:43

liar. Okay. Now her

37:45

role as the muse of erotic poetry, she

37:47

is sometimes seen holding a golden arrow, which

37:50

is a reference to the God Eros, as

37:52

we've talked about in the past. And

37:55

she was also evoked often in stories

37:57

about star-crossed lovers, which is really interesting

37:59

given that her marriage was an arranged

38:01

one in which Zeus gave her kind

38:03

of like a minor prince whose name

38:06

was Malice. Malice? Malice?

38:08

M-A-L-U-S. Pronounced similarly, not the

38:11

same dude. Okay, and like, if

38:13

this is the personification of Malice, then I get

38:15

why it's star-crossed. Nah, he's just like a minor

38:17

prince who like doesn't have a lot of importance.

38:19

Like the only like important to

38:21

know thing is that she gave

38:23

birth to a daughter whose name

38:25

was Cleofemma, who then gave birth

38:27

to the princess Coronus, who would

38:30

give birth to the god of

38:32

medicine Asclepius via Apollo as the

38:34

father. Fascinating. Well, thanks for medicine,

38:36

I guess. Thanks for medicine. I like that it went

38:38

from erotic poetry to medicine.

38:41

Okay, I know we have some

38:43

doctors, some midwives, some nurses in

38:45

the audience. Let me know what

38:47

you think of that combo, please. Next

38:51

up is Melpamene, who is

38:53

the muse of tragedy. Her

38:55

name means to sing or the

38:57

one who is melodious. Very

38:59

nice. She is often portrayed

39:02

holding a tragedy mask, which any theater

39:04

kid would be very familiar with or

39:06

obviously. And she's also

39:08

seen usually holding a liar, scrolls,

39:10

and a crown of leaves. And

39:12

later in the Renaissance period in

39:14

particular, she is shown holding a dagger

39:16

and a cup. Okay, what were they

39:19

for? The blood of her enemies?

39:21

So during this period, she's described by

39:23

this guy, a well known iconographer

39:25

named Cesare Ripa. He

39:27

describes her as quote, a gentle

39:29

woman all in mourning. She holds

39:31

a bloody dagger in her right

39:33

hand behind her upon the ground,

39:36

a garment of cloth of

39:38

gold and diverse precious jewel. She

39:40

is of a grave aspect in a heroic

39:43

dress with her head finally attired, she held

39:45

the cup in one hand, a dagger in

39:47

the other with a crown and a scepter

39:49

at her feet. The grave

39:52

aspect and heroic dress denote that

39:54

tragedy is a representation of famous

39:56

deeds and of history. That's fair

39:59

enough. that sounds like the kind

40:01

of icon I could see on the

40:04

cover of like dramatic monologues for auditions,

40:06

you know what I mean? It's

40:08

really bringing the gravitas that I

40:10

associate with tragedy. It feels very

40:12

Shakespearean in a way, being like, ah yes,

40:15

the dagger, the cup, ways to die in

40:17

a Shakespeare tragedy. Easy peasy. Exactly. So

40:20

she has also said in classical times

40:22

to have been the one that sings

40:24

the songs of mourning for people of

40:27

note after they die, particularly poets who

40:29

drew their inspiration from the muses. So

40:31

when they died, she would sing them a

40:33

grieving song, which I think is beautiful. That

40:35

is beautiful. It's like getting the best of

40:37

the best to sing the aria at your

40:40

funeral. Exactly. All right,

40:42

two more to go. We'll go with

40:44

Talia Nex, who is the muse of

40:46

comedy and idyllic poetry. It

40:48

is said that her name, which means

40:50

to flourish or to be joyous, comes

40:52

from the fact that the praises in

40:54

her songs flourish through time. Nice.

40:57

And also makes me smile because I know a lot

40:59

of Talia's right now, and

41:01

I think that's a lovely name meaning.

41:04

I love the name Talia. I think it's a really, really

41:06

beautiful one. She, as opposed

41:08

to her sister, carries a comic mask

41:11

in her hand, is crowned in ivy,

41:13

and carries a bugle with her, though

41:15

sometimes it's a shepherd's staff instead. Interesting.

41:17

She was also said to be the

41:20

lover of Apollo and was said to

41:22

be the mother of the Choribantes,

41:24

as I mentioned before, the armed

41:26

dancers who worshiped Sibili. Now, these sons,

41:29

by the way, would wear armor

41:31

as they danced. Okay. And

41:33

basically, the Greeks, in talking

41:35

about them, they're like, the

41:38

Greeks believed that, along with

41:40

winemaking and music, dance

41:43

was one of the signs that a civilization

41:45

was in fact civilized. Okay. I

41:47

mean, I have a lot of problems

41:49

with the term civilized, but I also

41:51

think that artistic expression and thinking

41:54

dance is cool. It's cool. I can't

41:56

think of a culture in the world

41:58

that does not have a... Oh yeah. Some

42:01

form of music, some form of dance, and

42:03

also to be honest, some form of like,

42:05

at least in the ancient times,

42:08

alcohol. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

42:10

yeah. There are ways to

42:12

elevate our consciousness to be

42:14

one with something bigger, and

42:16

I for one get

42:19

that feeling most when there is

42:21

music, chanting, dance, and movement, or

42:23

maybe meditation involved. Yes. There

42:26

are obviously plenty of cultures where alcohol is

42:28

not consumed for religious or cultural reasons

42:30

or what have you, but if you're

42:33

looking at like, we're talking about ancient

42:35

people, we have been trying to

42:37

get drunk for a long, long time. I

42:39

think I would say that we're trying to

42:41

transcend, and part of it, you can do

42:44

that with chemicals, you can do it with

42:46

alcohol, you can do it with meditation, with

42:48

fasting, with movement and dance and chant, and

42:51

all of these to me are methods of

42:53

getting to that state where you

42:55

feel not embodied like an individual,

42:57

but one part of something bigger.

42:59

Hell yeah. I love that. Speaking

43:02

of something bigger, finally we have

43:04

Urania, who is the youngest of

43:06

the Muses, but also sometimes said

43:08

to be the eldest, again, depends

43:10

on who's telling the story. It's

43:12

Julia, it's just like if you ask whether Rudolph

43:15

is the first or the last reindeer. Sometimes you

43:17

name him first, sometimes you name him last, but

43:19

either way he stands out. Yes,

43:21

exactly. She is the goddess

43:23

of astronomy and astrology, and as you

43:25

can probably guess, her name

43:27

comes from the word for heavenly,

43:30

or of the heavens. Now in

43:32

her role as the goddess of

43:34

the stars and astronomy, she is

43:36

often seen carrying a globe and a

43:38

compass as her symbols, and she is

43:40

portrayed as wearing a cloak that is

43:42

embroidered with stars and is often shown

43:44

looking up at the heavens. Nice.

43:46

I feel like I've definitely seen her icon

43:48

before, just in sort of art

43:50

or statues. Yeah, and in a lot

43:53

of more modern art, not in the

43:55

ancient Greek art, but in more like

43:57

Renaissance and beyond, she is often wearing

43:59

a... Around of Stars airport.

44:01

So with her association with astrology

44:03

as well as astronomy, she is

44:05

said to be able to tell

44:07

the future through the alignment of

44:09

the stars. Naturally, Naturally, her son

44:12

was set to be Hyman A

44:14

S who is the God of

44:16

marriage ceremonies that are so. Job

44:18

that they inspire faeces on. Hey,

44:20

I mean that's the review your

44:22

hoping for right? Yes, Yes,

44:25

exactly so. Lyric poetry. Ah

44:27

that is song during the procession

44:30

of a bride is named after

44:32

this God. Which is where we

44:34

get the the term him from school

44:37

and he was often included as one

44:39

of the winged gods. The a rotates

44:41

despite not being a son of Aphrodite.

44:44

That's awesome. That's very cool. Yes,

44:46

and by the time of

44:48

the Renaissance rolls around, uranium

44:51

is given another domain of

44:53

art, specifically Christian poetry. Of

44:55

Boy Oh okay, all right

44:57

thing, Criticism: you're rarely this

45:00

bowls of. Speaking of of

45:02

and Acres will Poetry Corner

45:04

About Uremia by the poet

45:07

James G. Percival your addict

45:09

Pay. Uranium

45:12

or her Star Spangled

45:14

Liar with a touch

45:16

of majesty diffused her

45:18

soul. A thousand tons

45:20

that in the breast

45:22

inspire exalted feelings or

45:24

the wires gain. Role

45:26

How. As the whole of

45:29

chills the mist unfurled and

45:31

or the swelling vaults the

45:33

glowing sky. The newborn stars

45:35

hung out there, lamps on

45:38

a high and ruled. they're

45:40

mighty orbs to music's sweetest

45:42

sand. Nice.

45:44

No. No complaints. Beautiful like

45:46

that. Pretty good, Pretty good. I I

45:48

thought oh my defenses when. I when I

45:51

heard Christian poetry butts you know that that

45:53

was not specifically Christian. They just gave her

45:55

that weight. or I like it. I think

45:57

it's beautiful. So. Amount of those are

45:59

the me. In an like be will

46:01

be played a big role in

46:04

each increase society. To quote Terry

46:06

amuse was to excel in the

46:08

arts as they would say or

46:10

and they inspired everyone in areas

46:12

like geography, mathematics, philosophy, art, drama,

46:15

music. I think the Greek poet

46:17

saw on said it best. He

46:19

said that the muses for the

46:21

Greeks work quote the Key to

46:24

the Good Wife and his reason

46:26

for that was basically they brought

46:28

people together. They brought prosperity. And

46:31

friendship to civilization and inspired

46:33

people to do their best.

46:35

I think that so beautiful and

46:37

Julie I'd love to to close

46:39

out this episode by kind of

46:42

asking you what your feeling and

46:44

relationship is to inspiration. Do you

46:46

feel like inspiration is a divine

46:48

or godly or cosmic thing that

46:50

comes from outside of you and

46:52

touches you dislike your channeling? something

46:54

bigger when you create the how

46:56

do you feel about this. you

46:59

know like into a movie or tv

47:01

or something like that when like the

47:03

stars align till it represents something that

47:06

is going to like Big Pas make

47:08

you know I think of my brain

47:10

as stars and my neurons. Firing at

47:13

and like when they line up perfectly,

47:15

they create something that is interesting and

47:17

like, new and creative. Amazingly the best

47:19

kind of how I feel about it.

47:21

That's so cool. Now. Amanda. Before

47:23

we wrap up, we talked about all

47:25

of these muses. We talked about how

47:27

sometimes their roles contain Shower To Arabia

47:30

and the Christie Poetry. Thing, But what

47:32

would a modern muse look like if we're

47:34

going to add a couple. More muses

47:36

or gives noom uses. Odd

47:39

a role in the pantheon? What

47:41

would the look like and what

47:43

do you think? They are specific

47:45

or. To domain would be now.

47:47

I came up with a couple,

47:49

but do. You. Wanna hear one to kind of

47:51

get you inspired? How to present. Amanda,

47:54

may I introduce to you the news of

47:56

Sand Six in. A o

47:58

three of oh Julia. That's

48:00

good. Any wonder that no archive

48:02

of our own or A and

48:04

and Three owes his the I

48:07

the library and funded and created

48:09

Sight of Us and Fix. It's

48:11

absolutely stunning. I love that that was

48:13

great! Great a blitz that we can

48:15

brainstorm a couple together. I have one

48:17

for them, use of influencers and also

48:19

them you that podcast. Years or that's

48:21

good. but what is another? Like modern

48:24

quote, unquote art or creative thing that

48:26

you think there should be amused for

48:28

I think like a self expression through

48:31

a social. Media post is one I

48:33

think. There are really transcended moments

48:35

where people. You know, post whether you

48:37

know it's like video photo tax the

48:39

a collage of all three. Were

48:42

you really like get a sense? It's like a

48:44

modern. Diary Entry: It's like seeing through

48:46

someone's appeal. These and I I love

48:48

that idea of like you know it's

48:50

either know a us a get ready

48:53

with me or something. That truly feel that

48:55

you are hanging out with somebody in their room. This.

48:57

I like that. I think that's really interesting with

48:59

think of what the name of that goddess would

49:01

be. Something. About like a

49:03

seed, perhaps. you know, like

49:05

throwing through your feed. Yeah,

49:07

a story must. Have my very what

49:09

a story and like that the place joy of different

49:11

that third of the worth. The

49:14

front facing camera. ah maybe it's

49:16

a flood garia very ago with

49:18

a V L O G like

49:20

God the you. To birds before me yes

49:22

I like that a lot. I also so I

49:24

have. The. News of Influencers which

49:27

I have as a sponsor

49:29

I may. Ah, There it is,

49:31

I'll I get that the government's I was

49:33

another one that you think is is kind

49:35

of fun for a muse to be in

49:37

the modern. Honestly, Julia, the thing that came

49:39

to mind for me. It feels

49:41

like an art and science at i

49:43

don't have a graduate degree and is getting

49:46

like Blue Tooth and my accessories to

49:48

talk to each other. Okay okay so I

49:50

think the internet of things as is kind

49:52

of bullshit but to something about Blue to

49:55

the were like it isn't just get my

49:57

bluetooth devices who posts and all of

49:59

my things. The talk to each other. Maybe something

50:01

about the clouds? Would would really would

50:03

really help me. How about. Something like

50:05

a sinker as sink s

50:08

a nice that's good to

50:10

synchronize yell. Var all of our data,

50:12

I'm that do that and then I'll I'll

50:14

finish out with one last one which is

50:16

the muse of podcast years very relevant to

50:18

us, which is. Rss. yeah,

50:20

I love Earth. Thank you.

50:23

For our community open standard Rss you

50:25

You make our living possible. Yes,

50:27

you you really do and

50:29

listeners, I hope that you

50:32

are feeling somewhat divinely inspired

50:34

after listening to this episode.

50:36

Muses. And and when you do, you

50:38

do. I have the

50:40

used a creepy.