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this episode of Sports Illustrated Weekly, the
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NFL regular season is nearly upon US
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and football mat America is primed for another
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season of its favorite sport. But
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have you ever wondered which country outside
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the US is second best at American
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football? Believe it or not, it's
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not Canada or the UK. Our
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senior producer Harry swartout, how's this surprising
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answer, which traces all the way
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back to a big international game in the seventies
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and includes no small amount of booze
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and hijacks. I'm your
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host, John Gonzales from Sports
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Illustrated and I Heart Radio. This
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is Sports Illustrated Weekly. If
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you had to guess, which is the best
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country in the world at football after
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the United States, of course, it's
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not Mexico, despite being our neighbors to the
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south. It's not the UK, no
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matter how many Jaguars games the NFL
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insists on exporting there. You
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might think it's Canada despite their insistence
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on playing only three downs, But
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in international play, the second
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best country in the world at American football
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is Japan.
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Who are you expecting? Japan has
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a great college football system, a semi
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pro league which can compete with the best from any
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nation. Heck, they've even got football
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anime. All
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of that football passion can be traced back
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to one preseason game in nineteen seventy
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six, played on a drizzly day in August.
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The Mine Starboard Let's
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Go Back. Six
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was a big year for Japan, at least as
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far as people in colorful costumes are concerned.
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Polyester clad Japanese disco funk
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Ford out of every dance hall. Super
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Sentai, which would later become power
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Injuries in America just hit its
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stride God and
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in the Tokyo Grand Prix, James Hunt
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narrowly outdueled Niki Laudo to become
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F one World Driver's Champion. You
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know, like in the movie Rush, James
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Hunt pay Jake third and almost catching Patrick
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Depie. But James Hunt is the world
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Champion. Japan
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had their rainbow clad heroes in America
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had hours. The
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NFL was humming along after the a
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f L NFL merger, and there was no
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real reason for the league to be looking to expand
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beyond North America. But this wasn't
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the NFL's idea. St
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Louis Football Cardinals alumni coordinator Bob
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Underwood explains the Japanese excursion
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was all thanks to one man. The
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mastermind behind this game was a
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Japanese American named Frank Takahashi.
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And Frank was a lattice farmer. He was
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a wealthy businessman and an Alattis
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farmer. He had about two acre farm south
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of Los Angeles, and
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he was a huge football fan and he
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was a huge San Diego Charger ban how
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big a sports fan. He flew private
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jets around the West Coast to see the best football
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matchups each week. He attended
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the Super Bowl and Pro Bowl each year.
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And he named his son Unitus, after legendary
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quarterback Johnny Uniteds, who played
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just one season for his beloved Chargers.
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Takahashi wanted to share his passion
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for football with others who were
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very far away. Frank's
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passion, his dream was to bring
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an NFL game to Tokyo, where
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he had some business connections, and
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he attempted this for three or four years. He
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was on six estival and then he must
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have sweetened the deal enough to where he got
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the Chargers and the St. Louis Football
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Cardinals now the Arizona Cardinals to
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accept this game in Nix,
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and Frank had to pay all of the
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expenses, and there was a report
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that the Cardinals alone their expenses were
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over a hundred thousand dollars, which would in today's
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money would be over a half a million dollars. So
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he probably had about a million dollars and expenses
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in today's money, you know that he had to cover. Frank
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Takahashi predicted that sixty thousand
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Japanese fans would buy tickets to a game, and
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he hoped that kind of attendance would convince the lead to
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play in Japan annually eventually get
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a franchise on the island, and that he would
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own it, but one step
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at a time. First,
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there was the problem of where to play the
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game. Japan didn't have any large
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American football stadiums, and they definitely
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didn't have one that could fit sixty thou fans.
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What they did have was a
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cavernous old baseball stadium known for
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host in concerts Coorakuen
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Stadium. You might remember it
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as the first stop on Michael Jackson's bad
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Tour. Thank
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you, Thank
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you very much. Good Eye. Despite
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kicking off one of the greatest pop tours of all time.
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Coacuan Stadium itself was
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not the best. Built in ninety
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eight, Coakuen Stadium was a concrete
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nightmare with an AstroTurf field that,
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while being state of the art for the nineteen seventies,
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was still like being tackled onto sandpaper on
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top of concrete. But Coakuen
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Stadium had another problem. There
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were only forty eight thousand seats,
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which is less than the sixty k Takahashi
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had promised. To make up the difference,
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Takahashi got a sponsor, my
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Niche Daily News, an English language
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newspaper in Japan, put up some money for the
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naming rights, and thus was born
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the my Niche Star Bold. But
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what really mattered Frank Takahashi
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was attendance. A sellout, he'd
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break even if not. Frank
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was pretty confident they could sell out
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the game because there was actually a college
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football All Star game in Tokyo
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back in January of nineteen seventy six
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and they had almost seventy thousand fans, so
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he was pretty confident. But the days leading
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up to the game, there was a report that they had only sold
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twenty five thousand seats advanced
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tickets, and then after the game there
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were some conflicting reports that
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you know, the attendance could have been anywhere from thirty
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thousand and thirty eight thousand, but either
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way, it wasn't a sellout. So Frank didn't
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get a sellout, he lost money, but he did
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achieve his dream of having the NFL play
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in Tokyo. Now
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I know what you're thinking, how was it transporting
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to football teams full of rowdy grown men
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to Japan in the nineteen seventies?
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And boy, am I glad you asked? According
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to Cardinal Center Tom Banks, it started before
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the flight had even taken off, but
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it used to be aflo hours early. I
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mean, yeah, there's a bunch of guys
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gonna do. We went straight to the bar and
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started drinking, were trying to get
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on the plane, and I recognized
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pretty quickly it was gonna be a long
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flight. I ordered all
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the sake that they had brought to my seat
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and started having people to have a have
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a toach with me as you go by up
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and down the aisles. So that
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was the kind of flight it was. And it wasn't
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just Banks either. Hall of Fame tight end.
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Jackie Smith and the rest of the team had
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their fair share to drink too. It was
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a charter of fight. Either that or we had
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to hold back end of the plane. But I
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know that we were freely walking around and doing
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what pretty much what we wanted, and a
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few beers were consumed on the way
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over, and so that was what I remember
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most. Jackie Smith is also a Hall
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of Fame understater. According
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to St. Louis Post Dispatch writer Doug Rose
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account, the team drank all of the beer
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and sake on the plane. And remember
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Jackie said, the team was freely walking around
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the cabin. That's why
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Tom Banks ended up stumbling towards the cockpit
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and had to be restrained by the flight attendants.
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Not that he exactly remembers that'ble
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to me later
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on when I ended up eating in trouble about this, you
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know, having a good times against the rules. And
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all of this was before they had set
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foot in Japan. When they got there,
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things only got weird. Jackie
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Smith and the team arrived on Tuesday,
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but the game wasn't until Sunday.
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It was quite an experience. Nobody was looking
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forward to it because nobody had been over to Japan
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before, but I think we spent a week over
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there, so we had time to explore the area,
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go up and down the streets, and get to meet some
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people. And it was an interesting visit again,
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a world class understatement from Jackie.
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Sure they practiced every day, but not at
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all times. They had hours to explore.
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Players could pay just one thousand dollars to
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bring their family with them on the trip, and so many
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did. But the ones that didn't, well,
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they had some fun. Or eight days
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in August, the Cardinals experienced
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the ultimate road trip, a visit
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to Tokyo or a preseason
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game with the Chargers. Here's a shortlist
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of what the team got into in their spare time. Tom
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Banks and company went on some bar crawls who
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were up a local bar and
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goes in it, and uh, they didn't
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have any any twelve manus bottles
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of beer. It was always those two and a half
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the bottles of so they
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would only start with you too, and then they make you leave.
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We shouldn't make any sense to me. Roger
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Whirley and Guardy Hammond got food poisoning immediately
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after landing. Dan Fouts himself
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said he went to some sage parlors. Cardinals
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offensive line coach Jim Hannaffan purchased
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two fighting beatles in a bamboo cage for
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five hundred years. One of those
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beatles ended up in Conrad Dobler's bed
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as a prank. Who put it there? Jaggie
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did put that one of those beetles in k He
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was never any danger, I was saying, we
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were worried about eating. Jackie claims
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not to remember this. Remember
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that a Cardinals player briefly stole
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a bus from their Japanese guide, and
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everyone players, coaches, in front
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office personnel misunderstood
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and were misunderstood by the Japanese
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in a farcical translation comedy type
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of way. But
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it wasn't all hijiing s though. The
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team really did try to spread the word of American
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football around Japan. They
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even helped coach a Japanese practice. Look
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at that to even run up to the line of scrimmage. Oh
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my god. After
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a week of uh cultural
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exchange, it was finally time for the
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game itself, which honestly
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was a bit of a letdown after the shenanigans during
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the rest of the week. Except for one
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little surprise. It was ris
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Ling and the teams knew the astro turf would be slick,
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but they didn't know about the lines. What
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was interesting is the yard lines were
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not chalk or paint. There was
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some kind of foam or soap or something.
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And there was one of the players that said that
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he got tackled where they out of bounce line. It
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took like five yards out of the yard marker off
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the field because it was removable. They
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still not really sure what it was made out of, but
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you know, it wasn't permanent, that's for sure. Despite
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a lackluster ten Cardinals
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win in the rain, the Japanese fans
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seemed to enjoy the football game, at
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least Jackie Smith thinks, so they
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had not a clue what was going on. They
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didn't really know anything about the scoring
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or anything about the plays or
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what to look for, what to cheer for, what the first
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down was, or anything else. Having
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no clue what was happening on the field didn't
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stop the Japanese fans from cheering, though, and
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they wanted to be as specific as
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possible. All of a sudden, there
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would be some noise breaking
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out and people call it hollering
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and saying something that we finally figured out
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it was a group of them. They were
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taking names off of the roster and then they would
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try to I'll say it Jackie
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smith S, M I z Z. So
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it was as close as they could give to it, and
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uh, it never did come out correct
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as far as the way it was pronounced. I
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remember the sayings being enthusiastic.
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I've seen a few baseball games in Japan
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on TV and he's kind of saying
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that being orchestrated. The
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shooting people stand up in the middle of the group,
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and they'll be leading all these years since
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they get into it. Other chants included
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Chargers, Chargers bon bons
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or my personal favorite, Cardinals attacked
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the ball baza
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at the end of the game. The fans were ecstatic,
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the media in a frenzy, and the players,
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we're just ready to go home. I like
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it, We're ready all I
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don't have it because I'm going home perfect.
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So what's the takeaway from the Mini Starbowl?
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What did Frank Takahashi's let his money
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really buy the band? Result was
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a very good time for the team and a
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lot of goodwill between people's of a different
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nature. Japan
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experienced a bit of a football craze in the eighties
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and nineties. Tom Banks was surprised
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to see the beginnings of it before a single
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down of the Nice Start Bull had even been
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played. We went into department stores
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and they were huge. This one we
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went into had a sporting good section
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kick up most of the floor and they had
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a lot of NFL memorabilia,
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jerseys and the trash kids,
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pens, all this NFL stuff
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were he goes. They were having the football
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here, what's all this stuff do? But they
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loved having TV shows of NFL
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games. Since Frank Takahashi
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willed an NFL game on Japanese soil,
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the NFL has played thirteen more
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preseason games in Japan, but
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none since two thousand five. The
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NFL has largely abandoned Japan to focus
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on Europe and Mexico. But
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the min Starboard did do a little bit of what
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Frank Takahashi set out to do in spreading
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American football to Japan, just
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as John Gunning, who covers Japanese football
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for NHK, The Japan Times
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and Inside Sports Japan. If there's
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one thing I can say about Japanese American football,
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it's it's very nostalgia heavy,
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so a lot of the the good
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old days and the glory days is a big
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point for a lot of the people who would be the power
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brokers in the sports. Still, it was probably
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as it's then it's its
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peak, it's most popular
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point in the twenty
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years following the Starboard, I would say
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in those following years from seventy
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six all the way to there
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was a college football all star game play in Japan
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called Unimagined. It of ly the
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Japan Ball, and they got to see
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the good stuff. Here's Bob Jackson
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housing a swing pass in the first Japan Ball.
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Paul Jackson, Who's going to catch them? That's
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hurt nobody
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nine and
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the NFL even came back for a preseason
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game. Nearly every year from Football
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in Japan was hot, but
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not even the power of the football boom could resist
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Japan's economic bust in the nineties.
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I think what did it in was
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a lot of the teams that were very popular
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were backed by banks. When
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the financial crash happened in the late
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nineties, a lot of the banks pulled out,
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so a lot of the teams lost their sponsors went
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to the wall. The money wasn't there to
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ensure it was on TV, and
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it was a cascade effect basically.
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Once that sort of rug was pulled out from underneath
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them, the sport declined
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fairly rapidly, but ironically,
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as it was getting less and less popular,
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the level was rising. It was
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almost an inverse curve, so you know,
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it got stronger and stronger, and then probably
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over the last ten years,
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the level has just gone through the roof. You know,
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we have guys who were stars
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at FBS programs and who you know,
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did really well in the NFL comps and they come to Japan
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and they just get humiliated. So
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the football is stronger than ever, at
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least on the field, but the NFL probably
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won't be coming back to Japan anytime soon.
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The popularity has died down. But
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there's also no Frank Takashi to leave the charge
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Ords. Instead, the NFL
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is determining its own international policy.
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The NFL decided, pull
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on, we can put teams in other countries
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and play actual games, which is what
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they're doing now. Japan really
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couldn't have been a consideration for them.
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It's just too far geographically, the
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time zones are wildly
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different. If the NFL was playing here you have two
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m kickoffs in the US, which would just be a non
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starter. And also the
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language, the culture of the food, the
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logistics, everything is a hundred times
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more difficult for an English speaking
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American team in Japan than it would
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be in for example, London or
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even Germany, and there is a
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a path to growth in those
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countries. There are large existing NFL
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fan bases, which you can see with the games that
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are in those countries, they're sold out all the
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time. I don't think Japan has the same kind
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of dedicated NFL
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fan base. There are a lot of maybe casual fans
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who would have gone to games, but the football
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definitely doesn't have the same kind of
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intensity among its fan base in Japan.
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A catch twenty two. For international
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NFL games, you need fans to
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get fans. You need to be able to see the games
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live. The Starboard did that.
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It grabbed the imagination of the Japanese people,
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at least for a while there. It was an
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experiment. We want all out to see what
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it was like. And when we got outside and there
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were a lot of people want to say hi
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to us, I guess or whatever, I
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have some photographs or some kids
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on my lap and they were very family,
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very outgoing, and and then now reluctant
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to come over and talk to us at all. And
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they live spools, not catafilt the kidship
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with the mind you we're being there, and they were responding
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to if that being there making
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friends is how you make future fans. Japan
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still loves football now. The
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NFL just needs to bring the games back to
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Japan. Attack the ball
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fun side.
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This episode of Sports Illustrated Weekly was produced
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by Jordan Rozsieri, Jessica Armoski,
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and Isaac Lee, who was also our
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sound engineer. Our
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senior producers are Dan Bloom and Harry
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sward Out. Our executive
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producers are Scott Brody and me John
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Gonzalez. Our theme song
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is by Nolan Schneider and if
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you've stuck around this song, we leave you with
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this. Jack was really
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a great teammate and
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he was quite a jokester. Kane
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was getting getting set for a national interview
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and during training camp in UM in
19:42
St. Louis, and he brought a brand
19:45
new pair of jeans and he had
19:47
a face. He showed that Phillis Shuis
19:49
was gonna do it. Was her first he being
19:52
on the NFL broadcast and she had
19:54
this all set up to interview Conrad
19:56
and Jackie took some serzis and cut
19:58
one of the legs off his new gene and
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I'm standing there in the locker going
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told you that guy dude that he
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might have a heart attack. Well, they did it anyway,
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and he came. He didn't
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know when he went to put his pants on, his foot
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went through the leg and he just started
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screaming and he picked up the bench
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and threw it into the water. I was I really
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working, so he might have a heart sack. He just was so upset
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and Jackie
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and nobody returns who did it but Jackie and
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lended him uh pair his hands
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