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there. And so

1:52

this week's topic is quite a spiky,

1:54

punchy title being honest because we

1:56

looked at it and we think it's a really good title,

1:59

but it's not. maybe quite

2:01

as encouraging and as supportive as some of our

2:03

other titles, which is usually, you know, how

2:06

to make your strengths stand

2:08

out and show up. This week's episode

2:10

is called Why Your Diary Doesn't Lie.

2:13

So you can tell we were obviously feeling well,

2:15

well, we came up with this title. We, A,

2:17

I think we're at the edge of a very

2:19

busy kind of couple of months. So we

2:21

were getting to the end of that. And

2:24

so I think we were partly sort of

2:26

in re-energised mode. And I think

2:28

Helen has heard someone talk about, you know,

2:30

how confronting your calendar can be. And

2:33

I think we both just thought, yes, that's

2:35

right. This would be a really good podcast

2:37

and very quickly could come up with some

2:39

ideas. So yeah, it's, we

2:41

know that any question that starts with a

2:44

why always sort of triggers, I think

2:46

slightly more of like a fight or

2:48

flight response. Because as soon as

2:50

you say why, it does make you question a bit

2:52

more deeply. So we do know that this is a

2:54

slightly different tone to start today. And we also think

2:56

it'll be quite, quite fun. I think we're also feeling

2:59

quite playful at the time. So

3:01

let's talk about why your calendar

3:03

can be a bit confronting. So

3:06

effectively, it reflects your reality. So no

3:08

matter how we're feeling about our work,

3:10

or what we might be saying to

3:12

other people about how we're feeling or

3:14

what we're doing, the reality is in

3:17

your diary, like the details of what you're doing

3:19

and where you're spending time and who you're doing

3:21

it with, all of the actual

3:24

insight into that is already in your

3:26

calendar. And when we

3:28

get frustrated that things aren't moving

3:30

forward, or we're not making progress,

3:32

or certain people are dominating our

3:35

days, the truth is in the minutes

3:37

you are spending that are documented in your diary.

3:39

And so actually, if we take a bit of

3:41

time to look at our diary differently, so rather

3:43

than just seeing it as, you know, something that

3:45

we have to do today, and actually thinking about

3:47

what this is actually say about how I'm working

3:49

and who I'm working with and where I was

3:51

spending my time, then actually, I think you learn

3:54

in a slightly different way. And whenever you learn

3:56

a different way, you're probably going to take different

3:58

actions because of it. So So, this

4:01

taking action is a thing that

4:03

we really want to encourage as

4:05

a result of looking into your

4:07

diary. We're trying to help you

4:09

with some of the insights that

4:11

we're going into, be a bit

4:13

more proactive about how you're spending

4:15

your time and to use that

4:17

insight to make slightly more informed

4:19

decisions rather than maybe operating

4:21

on autopilot because we're

4:24

just doing what our diary says

4:26

without thinking a little bit more

4:28

intentionally about it. I

4:30

think what's really interesting as well as Helen and I have been

4:32

preparing for this is we both

4:34

manage our time and our diaries

4:37

in naturally very different ways and

4:39

yet both of us came to quite

4:41

a lot of conclusions as we were going through this about

4:44

actions that we would want to take, things

4:46

that we would want to change as

4:48

a result of doing this. I think actually when we

4:50

first started I was thinking I'm

4:52

quite good at this and I'm controlling

4:56

essentially. So, I have a

4:58

high level of control over

5:00

my calendar and my diary doesn't lie

5:02

but I was thinking well that's fine, that's going to

5:04

be a good thing. Because I know it's going to

5:06

tell me a good story. It's going to tell me

5:09

a really good story and then we started working through

5:11

some of these questions and prompts and the framing that

5:13

we're going to go through today around how

5:15

to actually look at your diary and your time.

5:18

I had quite a few new realisations

5:21

that I've not had before and so

5:23

I think regardless of where you're starting

5:25

from you might be thinking maybe

5:27

you're like me and you're like well I feel very in control, still

5:30

useful. Maybe you feel like other

5:32

people are in control of your calendar and your

5:34

diary which I think can feel really hard. You

5:36

might feel quite stuck or maybe you feel a

5:38

bit helpless about it or perhaps you're more like

5:40

Helen and you're just very today focused. What

5:43

do I need to get done today and

5:45

perhaps look ahead slightly less which again can

5:47

sometimes end up feeling like your

5:49

time is happening to you rather than your

5:51

sort of making some active choices. So, I

5:54

think there is a lot to be learnt

5:56

from your diary doesn't lie. And

5:58

it's real for me this episode. is a real example

6:00

of looking back in order to move forward.

6:03

Just taking a little bit of time to

6:05

look back at your diary and learning from

6:07

it to use that insight to move forward

6:09

in a way that feels a bit better

6:11

for you. And the insights you

6:13

get from looking back and what better for you

6:15

looks like is a very individual thing. So

6:18

we're just gonna share some tools, some techniques,

6:20

some insights from us using these to hopefully

6:22

help you. Yeah, we'd love to know what

6:24

you learned. So if you do these ideas

6:26

today and you get to some interesting aha

6:28

moments, let us know either in pod

6:30

plus or email us, Helen and Sarah at

6:32

squigglycareers.com. So we're gonna

6:34

start with a more general question, a sort of

6:37

zoomed out question before we get into a couple

6:39

of specific areas where we think your diary really

6:41

helps you to sort of understand how you spend

6:44

your days. And that question is

6:46

just looking at your diary for the next

6:48

week, what are three things that you notice?

6:50

So just make a really easy sort

6:52

of getting started question, look ahead, what

6:54

do you notice? What stands out to you? So

6:57

we both did this and got very

6:59

different answers. Which is also interesting

7:01

given we do very similar jobs, potentially we're replaceable

7:03

of each other, we're sort of all in the

7:06

same, but we definitely didn't get to the same

7:08

insight. So what three things did you notice Helen?

7:11

So one of the things that I noticed

7:13

when I was sort of scanning through stuff

7:15

was space in my diary. So I often

7:17

feel like I have no space. And

7:19

like, I often be like, oh, I've got no time to

7:21

do all the things that I need to do. And

7:24

I looked by the diary and I was like, oh no, you do, there

7:27

is some space in your diary. And it just

7:29

made me think, so what are you actually using

7:31

that for? Maybe time is not

7:33

the problem. Maybe it's how

7:35

you're using some of

7:37

that space that is the issue. So you're kind of

7:39

basically I'm wasting the space that is in my diary

7:41

with my like, oh, what am I wasting it on?

7:44

It's a very Helen insight. I'd be like, I've got

7:46

space, I'm just gonna enjoy it. And it's

7:48

gonna be really nice. And you were like,

7:50

how do I use the space? Wasting

7:53

space, the waste of my life.

7:56

Learning time is limited with when I got to you. I was looking

7:58

at my diary and I was like, ooh. I did an

8:00

hour of learning on Tuesday because I went

8:02

to an event and then I was like,

8:04

maybe I should be doing a bit more.

8:07

So I looked at it through a frame

8:09

of doing my job versus learning how to

8:11

do my job better. I was like, maybe

8:13

I haven't got that balance quite right. Thought

8:15

it was quite interesting. Then I was just

8:17

looking through my weeks and I was also

8:19

just scanning through the amount of recurring meetings

8:22

that were in my diary. I'm never a

8:24

massive fan of recurring meetings because I think

8:26

we accept them at a point of time

8:28

and then we rarely stop them. That's

8:30

just this thing. It just eats into

8:33

your diary. So the more recurring meetings

8:35

you accept, I think the less

8:37

choice you have over your time. So

8:40

I was like, do I feel okay about the

8:43

balance and the ones that I have accepted?

8:45

Are there any things that I accepted that

8:48

I might want to go back on

8:50

and challenge the frequency

8:52

of those meetings or challenge whether I actually need

8:54

to be able to get people in those meetings?

8:57

So yeah, it gave me that little insight. What about you?

8:59

What did you get to? Well, the first thing

9:01

I noticed was that I've got

9:04

no time to have factored in for

9:06

things outside of

9:08

work that I sort of do during

9:10

or around work that are important to

9:12

me. And they definitely used to be

9:14

there, but they've gone. I'm not

9:16

sure where they've gone or how they've gone. Yeah,

9:18

Helen was like, there's too much space, Sarah

9:20

has too much space. She

9:22

probably could do that. She probably took up the power to do that, to

9:24

be fair. And I just wouldn't know how. So I

9:26

just leave it there. And this is probably

9:29

a little bit of a pandemic thing because,

9:31

you know, you sort of did think, well, when am I going to

9:33

go for my one walk of the day or whether am I going

9:35

to have that kind of outside time? I

9:37

definitely had a period of going, I'm

9:40

going to put going for a walk like in my diary

9:42

to make sure that during the day, that's

9:44

my equivalent of a lunch break, essentially. Nip

9:48

downstairs, I get something to eat and I would

9:50

go for a walk and it definitely reenergizes me.

9:52

I know I'm better at my job when that happens.

9:55

And also some of the exercise that I do, I used

9:58

to always have that in my diary. and it

10:00

felt very protected and it sort of

10:02

happened. It sort of, again, it's good, you

10:04

know, you sort of thank your future self

10:06

because you sort of got it sorted and

10:09

I think it makes you more motivated to go and do it because you

10:11

see it and you think, oh yes, I should be doing that. And

10:13

that's just sort of gone. And so

10:15

it just made me think, oh okay, I'm gonna go back

10:18

through my diary for like the next three

10:21

months and just start to put those things

10:23

back in again, like I can do that. It

10:25

reminds me of that, you know that phrase, I

10:27

think I've got it right, you know, what doesn't

10:29

get measured doesn't get mammied. Yeah, yeah.

10:32

What doesn't get diarised doesn't get done.

10:34

Done, yeah. That's the thing. So it

10:36

just gets filled by other things that are important

10:38

probably to other people. I actually,

10:40

my second hint site which made Helen my laugh and

10:43

we've actually since sorted it because we were sort of

10:45

going through this exercise to make sure it all made

10:47

sense, my Thursday back from

10:49

the holiday, which I've got next week,

10:51

I've got an 8am start to record

10:54

a podcast. Now, if anyone who's

10:56

been listening for a while, you would know

10:58

that that 8am podcast would be very low

11:00

quality due to the fact that I

11:02

am more of a night owl than an early bird.

11:05

And the idea of coming back and doing a podcast

11:07

at 8 o'clock on your first day back at work,

11:10

also being really realistic about, well

11:12

okay, working back from that, that means

11:14

that we need to know the topic we were going to

11:16

talk about, we need to have done the prep beforehand,

11:18

like we do actually, we do put quite a lot

11:20

of time into the podcast. I

11:22

always got embarrassed, some people are like, do you

11:24

know that? We do, we actually do. And so

11:27

actually, there was two things about that for me.

11:29

One was, it was an

11:31

activity that's important that I go, but I'm

11:33

not setting myself up for success and kind

11:35

of when it was happening. And

11:37

then secondly, I was like, and also we

11:39

haven't worked back from that. There's no way that's going to

11:42

get done in the way that it needs to happen. So that

11:44

was sort of, that was like a red flag. Now

11:46

we have actually sorted it, but it made

11:48

me question how it happened in the first

11:50

place. You know, we need to think, well,

11:52

that would never have been a sensible thing

11:54

to do. And then the third thing,

11:56

which is a positive thing, is we

11:59

have freedom Friday. So we spend

12:01

a lot of our time working

12:03

with groups on their career development

12:05

or leadership development, talking to

12:07

people and hopefully trying to be useful about their careers.

12:10

And then on Friday, we have experimented with in

12:12

the past, and I don't think it's been a

12:14

hard and fast rule with this idea of freedom

12:17

Fridays, where really, it sometimes

12:19

will spend that for learning, sometimes it's to make

12:21

time for those conversations that you want to have

12:23

that maybe you struggled to fit in during the

12:25

week. Maybe it's to read.

12:27

Often my freedom Fridays are sort of me

12:30

by myself being honest, not necessarily

12:32

with other people. But whenever I

12:34

look ahead to a week, and I see that

12:36

there is a freedom Friday, and that sort of

12:38

been protected, my motivation for the week,

12:40

I think increases by like 40%. Because I

12:44

feel like I can give so much

12:46

more during the rest of the week. Because I

12:48

feel like freedom Friday, so give it to me,

12:50

I actually find it very energizing as well

12:52

as sort of re energizing but I'm also

12:55

very energized by knowing, okay, well,

12:57

I might be quite full on or be with lots

12:59

of people during the week. But I think it's probably

13:01

a little bit of the introvert in me. Seeing

13:03

a free freedom Friday, I sort of

13:05

always like, relax and

13:08

like a breath of relief relief. I'm like,

13:10

I feel relieved. Because I know that's coming.

13:13

And I know I can just give it my

13:15

all. But then I'm not going to sort

13:17

of collapse into the weekend, which on everything's a great

13:19

feeling. Sometimes I have that will probably made different insight

13:21

if I'm not feeling like it at the moment. But

13:23

sometimes I have that like about a day at home,

13:25

you know, if we've like had lots and lots of

13:27

days when we're out and about I have the same.

13:29

Yeah, because at home, I'm just like, oh, just feels

13:31

like that place that even if you've got loads of

13:33

meetings, it's a very different, very different feeling, I think

13:35

sort of being out and about what the

13:37

more office based versus like having having that at home.

13:40

And I do think that would be a really easy activity

13:43

to do as a team. So if it feels like something

13:45

you could talk about as a team, and you perhaps wouldn't

13:47

want to do three, you could just do one thing. So

13:50

look at your diary for next week was one thing that you

13:52

noticed. And someone might say,

13:54

actually, I mean, all about meetings, or

13:57

I've got no space, or actually, I'm feeling

13:59

really positive. By protected.

14:01

Some time today x was that and that's

14:03

when importance and eight So I think you will

14:05

say learn about the people. When you hear

14:07

people talk about. That how the spending their

14:09

time and I think that's quite a quite

14:11

easy access to to get started with. So

14:14

the cook. Now it's three areas that we think

14:16

you can get quite a lot of insight from.

14:19

New. Darlene I'm not a penny cheese people

14:21

on what can I sit and we're gonna

14:23

talk about some of the questions that you

14:25

can ask yourself when you're looking at they

14:27

three areas in your diary side since would

14:29

say to that you can collect and then

14:31

we're going to share some of our insights

14:33

and we offer thousand questions and then we

14:35

can access for you to take as well.

14:37

So what do you to and ten for

14:40

you And as I mentioned at the start

14:42

Will will summarize all this in the pot

14:44

sheet said it's really easy p to take

14:46

action. A parakeet

14:48

is fast said why it matters I

14:50

think we neither in all of our

14:52

jobs. And. Osgood Liquor. As the always say

14:54

about, there are lots of competing priorities. I'll

14:57

have to think it's by the I Ching.

14:59

Important. Matrix does it work in reality because

15:01

I was I will let you think that

15:03

it had anything to both it but also

15:05

as. It we have to hold ourselves to account. That is

15:07

a bit of a cop. Out know everything

15:09

can be equally important. seven.

15:11

Projects pieces of work. the matter

15:13

more than others and I think

15:15

the question then becomes. Does. Your

15:18

diary the snacks that and

15:20

sent me this was very

15:22

revealing say I was very

15:24

clear was our top three

15:26

priorities are. Partly because.

15:29

We're getting into the Colonies. And into

15:32

yeah in open play Say that's

15:34

probably wise The test mates are

15:36

generally. I think I have the

15:38

clarity around. What matters most to

15:40

a lot because we. Have things like

15:42

when watch Allen and I do

15:44

that together where every quarter we

15:46

said we actually kind of datasets

15:48

was about what matters most I'm

15:50

always that is be Comfort and

15:52

I could name my top priorities

15:54

but that the populist the problem

15:57

becomes you look hurts your last

15:59

week I'm look ahead to your

16:01

next wait and see how did

16:03

those priorities show up A what

16:05

percentage. Of time essentially are you spending on

16:07

each those priorities. So why then did the up

16:09

I? She did try to do a month but

16:11

I found that T. Dicicco and much be my

16:13

lack of. Technical ability To be honest I

16:16

found that the overwhelming twenty the months as the

16:18

now and I find it difficult spot where that

16:20

you when I have made a short and more

16:22

specific on the week much easier. And

16:25

I let to they say priorities and

16:27

I realize that one of the priorities.

16:29

I wasn't actually claire. Will.

16:32

Not meant what? what we meant, what was actually

16:34

be doing So the a case as. I'm.

16:36

Never going to be forward on something if I

16:38

don't know why should be doing so is that

16:40

would have thought that realization. One of

16:42

them. Isn't. And it'll. Fall.

16:45

I'm already tail on it. It was my last week.

16:47

And. It got there next week said. Noting.

16:50

I'm one isn't a sad about twenty

16:52

percent of time that it actually to

16:55

haven't point. As you the wrong

16:57

kind of time. Say. This

16:59

priority to show up. The. It

17:01

said of not quite in the way that. We we know we

17:03

need to kind of make progress on that. Projects.

17:06

Such as so to setting ourselves up to

17:08

sign a little bit. With that said, less

17:10

of a disaster the other ones. But honestly

17:12

if I was read on the green eggs

17:14

the city's the connection between. Three.

17:17

Things that we have sad or essential Most. Important

17:19

priorities and then my diary also

17:21

you them would have been read.

17:24

For. our at as I would have been lucky like

17:26

I'm becky at i just ah are rather large lot.

17:28

And I need to decent like any

17:30

to do something different. So some similarity

17:32

and some some difference. I know what

17:35

other parts of our favorite there and

17:37

because we see them he said the

17:39

same parties. And we are. We are

17:41

connected What we almost see a lot well.that would

17:43

make surveillance both we did. We are once in

17:45

a cadet no definite with I agree with a

17:47

lot voice and us to see it reflects the

17:49

minority. I think there is one area that

17:51

Sarah think she'd unclear on and I'm like no

17:53

no I know what that means I think op

17:55

most of my time is committed. To what of

17:57

the things that eat because the least Clarity lot. It

18:00

might not like this. Had nothing to say, like

18:02

seventy five percent of my time is committed to

18:04

the thing that we are currently. It's maybe not

18:06

sure exactly what. That the guess they get the

18:08

me the thickest it is. I was. I.

18:11

Do Not think that my time

18:13

is aligned. T. The parties

18:15

that we would say on my simple him

18:18

for our business and you can a guy.

18:20

Well that's an issue like how. On earth

18:22

are we going to achieve these things?

18:24

Is thing is not when my time

18:26

is being spent on it it just

18:28

makes me think will actually we need

18:31

to take a little bad time bought.

18:33

Or me and my not diaries. With what

18:35

we say this is my for business has

18:37

probably been my money inside was really really

18:39

revealing. Ages the clarity of con against one

18:41

of three things to maximise for our business and you

18:43

know Sarah and I'm going to pieces together says I

18:46

would use that framing of our business If you don't

18:48

mind your own business which I seem as most people

18:50

have a listen to this punk costs. A might

18:52

be like what three things the most important to

18:54

me and my bro to achieve like those sorts

18:56

of questions and then just looking your diary with

18:59

really insightful to go eight and you answer that

19:01

question or know what you parties off. And

19:03

and gonna be what is your diary looked like

19:05

in reality how much they things are matched or

19:07

not the me not to dispatching with my life

19:09

and such. So. I

19:12

think the accent and kind of the

19:14

conclusion that you can say unless you're

19:16

of the quitting are increasingly looking guy

19:18

is it I will then a prompt

19:20

seated to question what am I going

19:22

to start. What? Tradeoff do I

19:24

need to make? What could I delegate? What could

19:27

I delight That was really what was then started

19:29

to read three my my daughter's that will these

19:31

a d believe in the thanks as he one

19:33

of the axis is more a conversation thought head

19:36

and say she's really. Clear on one second I'm

19:38

guy will live outside and I could probably we. Probably.

19:40

To these tablets And so you go about. Goodbye.

19:42

The about that's a good outcome from

19:44

that and then one of them as

19:46

he we have already we. Saw. About our

19:48

time and said about some progress. So quite confident

19:50

about that lumps and then one of them. I've

19:52

got kind of lower levels of confidence the even

19:55

just knowing that you know when he says guy

19:57

at her when our i know what I need

19:59

to day. I don't. I committed to then

20:01

getting it. Well I think without

20:03

things exercise. I would

20:05

just just almost expected these things happen

20:08

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20:10

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20:12

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22:42

reflects on his sorry can tell you

22:45

about people and particularly the people that

22:47

you're spending time with His where we're

22:49

trying to get to hear So it's

22:51

quickly create what we're trying to do

22:53

in order to be very resilient and

22:56

are both and clay opportunities for our

22:58

future is balance their relationships with their

23:00

wedding that helpers to be pretty and

23:02

it up were doing today alongside creating

23:04

a community around you're correct that can

23:07

take he said I'm in the future

23:09

and. So in A.might be people. To.

23:11

Live in your business but beyond the

23:13

job that you do. They say basis

23:16

that could be people who are outside

23:18

of your organization, that that the people

23:20

who help you learn or inspire you

23:22

with. Talked for a previous episode about

23:25

creating your personal board. This is a

23:27

difference in diversity of the people that

23:29

you spend time with makes it really

23:31

really big impact on your development and

23:34

so when you look at your tie

23:36

rates you can start to say that

23:38

is that difference and not diversity playing

23:40

out in reality. Or am I

23:43

spending time with the same kind of

23:45

people all the time? And I'm not

23:47

really getting the opportunity to kind of

23:49

extend my relationships Outside of that said

23:52

is so of things that your diary

23:54

can tell you and again wish our

23:56

insights from during this ah what percentage

23:58

of time eight. Being with people

24:01

who are correct your day job that

24:03

to say people he was sort of

24:05

beyond what you do at a steady

24:07

basis. It can also tell you what

24:10

said she the time you're focusing on

24:12

internal that his accent have been a

24:14

sunset and it can also tell you

24:16

what sentence of your time are you

24:18

spending with people. That is not

24:21

with people. Are you hired about? what? is? It

24:25

a lot on my own eyes even. I

24:27

think his point on a real extra that

24:29

but I still need a bad time. I'm

24:31

iron save sink or itself as I did

24:33

want to create stuff that is in my

24:36

head and if I don't have time by

24:38

myself that I do not get time to

24:40

do that because I'm always in in conversation

24:42

with other people are not necessarily how in

24:44

that time to create on my own. Place.

24:47

These are some things that we would recommend that

24:49

he looked in your die rates to just like

24:51

look at those three different areas say sorry what

24:54

were incensed if you get save with you and

24:56

within this. Site I think

24:58

cause i we. Are very conscious

25:00

of this one and I think everybody would

25:02

expect that sense of time on your day

25:04

job with internal people and kind of with

25:06

people. would always be high. as a date

25:09

the world would not recommending here. While they

25:11

should be fifty fifty or wants to be

25:13

light higher than the of us could realistically.

25:16

Of course is that most haunting it? A

25:18

job I have. I have always been very

25:20

intense. About know and it's so easy for

25:22

me to just data and guide the on

25:25

the hey the. Things. I noticed with about

25:27

a year would die I phone inside voluntary

25:29

again t mental people so it's and they

25:31

are. You still love to us or we

25:33

six seven years that I've stopped in terms

25:35

of in his intention whites and then have

25:38

resigned up to a program that much mentals

25:40

and men tape I would have been lead

25:42

easy not to do that and like got

25:44

to think of a million reasons that it's

25:46

it's it's has of other things that like

25:49

we are doing in arkham for a but

25:51

I just thought you know what I feel

25:53

like he. Meet. Different people I

25:55

wouldn't normally me and I hope I can

25:58

be so but you always got latest. A

26:00

Mccann as well. I was sick nice

26:02

if a reciprocal relationship and same. Much

26:05

since she saw the people beyond my days off

26:07

his death increase. The Kurdistan not men's race.

26:10

And as a catalyst to make that happen, I'm not

26:12

fit as. High. Pay Someone is

26:14

Hillary the end in sight. Say

26:16

Trump Cigarette Mentor A It's a

26:18

program that is when by an

26:20

organization my internal that's his accent

26:22

own. I would say I spend

26:24

a lot of time with external.

26:26

People But I did notice that the majority that

26:29

is the to the my day job. Site.

26:32

Nice to that is any. He. And

26:34

I was coming to been some of the podcast. On

26:36

doing a worksheet saw an organization.

26:39

Meeting with his and because our

26:41

organization. Isn't actually very external?

26:44

Biggest. Companies that

26:46

he lives of expand or build like

26:48

sex and relationships. The city with with

26:51

the day job thousand dollars does it

26:53

and disconnect that I'm what sense of

26:55

a time is with people that is

26:57

not with people. Most of my week

26:59

is with people but I do work

27:01

hard to get myself space because I

27:03

just know. About thought point about

27:05

freedom Friday's that makes him a big difference in

27:07

a it's also whiny to we look at things

27:09

like you're having the space to go out and

27:12

have a bike, will have a walk. Because

27:14

just not. Being with people can just be. Forty.

27:16

Five minutes during a day when I'm

27:18

okay, I'm I'm fine now. I worked

27:20

very hard to avoid as awful that

27:23

the fact that people are being with

27:25

people suffer. How am I mean saying

27:27

this one of my at very not

27:29

my best my best friends did as

27:31

he sent me something good ole like

27:34

screenshots mean scum go egg and says

27:36

i like coffee in about three people

27:38

and she has message to me was.

27:41

Did. Did you buy less? Sister and

27:43

I went back and satellites more like

27:45

takes that know about am I would

27:47

say the I I think I definitely

27:50

com day the whole life. Lot

27:52

of the people over. The time and so

27:54

I think the biggest insights and may was.

27:57

A promise to think about. Bill.

28:00

relationships beyond my day job that

28:02

are external. I was like that

28:04

was my conclusion like what does

28:06

that look like? I have a

28:08

few examples but it's there's no

28:10

catalyst for it. I don't think I

28:12

have enough of a focus around like doing that and what I

28:15

would be doing that for so then for me it just doesn't

28:17

happen. My

28:19

reflections on this one versus the priorities were

28:21

much more positive so I kind of came

28:23

away from the priorities and go oh gosh

28:25

this is not good. I

28:27

was like this is not good. The

28:29

people one I felt really I was

28:32

like oh I'm doing alright on this

28:34

one particularly with internal versus external. I

28:36

was talking about diet. I think I

28:39

like socializing so I've got a few things there that kind

28:41

of fit I kind of put into my week because I

28:43

get a lot of energy from it and also I'm part

28:46

of a learning community and part of this EY winning women

28:48

thing and that there's quite a lot of time that I've

28:50

got coming up when I looked ahead I was like oh

28:52

you've committed quite a lot of time so that's giving me

28:54

a bit of an external boost and as

28:56

long as we protect our Friday I also have that little

28:59

bit of time on my own which I really value and

29:01

I can I reflected on what's happened

29:03

with my energy over the last months and

29:05

I realized it's because they haven't been there.

29:07

I thought oh that was interesting so as

29:10

long as I protect that time I kind of

29:12

I get that time for me. The bit that

29:14

I was like oh actually maybe a little bit

29:16

of work to do with your diary was the

29:18

day job versus beyond it. It was like well

29:20

what does beyond look like and how could you

29:22

bring a bit more of it in. A lot

29:24

of the people are sort of connected to my

29:26

day job their conversations around what I do today

29:28

rather than you know slightly more curious or you

29:30

know supporting people who are in a very different

29:32

situation to me. I think there's probably a

29:34

little bit of a gap for me there but generally I'd give

29:36

myself a good score on this one. I'd

29:38

definitely be grander, green-advert

29:41

or even just a side or even just a green to be

29:43

honest. I think I'm alright on this one. I

29:45

do think as well probably because we both do

29:47

something that we really love. Your day job is

29:50

very fulfilling. We both like meeting people very connected

29:52

to our day job even if they're sort of

29:54

a little bit adjacent. If I actually think back

29:56

to some of the other organizations I've been in

29:58

even when I really enjoyed my work. roles. I

30:01

think I was just really curious about like, what

30:03

else was out there. And it felt really interesting

30:05

to do that. So I think I was perhaps

30:07

better at some of those curious career conversations when

30:09

I was in big organizations. Because

30:11

it's really I think it's really easy, isn't it

30:13

to get like sucked into a big company or

30:15

just like company life? Whereas now I

30:18

think because we're in a smaller organization that probably has

30:20

changed my mindset a bit. But if you

30:22

are thinking about these, we've just got a few ideas in case

30:24

you kind of go right, well, I can

30:26

kind of know where I am. But what's the say

30:28

what now because we always want to be coupling that

30:30

awareness with action. So if you

30:33

are thinking, I want to spend more

30:35

time kind of beyond the day job, as

30:37

I described, I find it really helpful to

30:39

kind of be part of something. And Helen

30:41

described that as well in terms of her

30:43

learning community that she's part of with Ernst

30:45

and Young. So is there something you could

30:48

become part of where I almost think they

30:50

do a bit of hard work for you,

30:52

which I think we shouldn't apologize for. And

30:54

they help you to spend time with

30:56

people beyond your day job. And they probably help

30:58

you at the same time to spend time with

31:00

some external people. So you can sort of do

31:03

two things at once, which is always efficient. And

31:05

one of the things that Helen does really well, if

31:07

you do want to do more external things, and

31:10

I've started to do this as well, because it actually

31:12

works well for me too. So this obviously works well

31:14

for introverts and extroverts, is we have

31:16

this sort of phrase of like, extend and invite. So

31:18

if you're going to go to an event, or if

31:20

you're going to go and like listen to

31:23

someone, or you're going to do some learning, is

31:25

there someone you could extend an invite to? So

31:27

you're sort of learning together or just

31:29

having an experience together. Didn't you go to a

31:31

gallery with someone this week, Helen? I was in

31:33

two things this week. So I went to a

31:35

gallery with somebody who I've kind of known for

31:38

a while, we just connected for a year. And

31:40

that was kind of, we kind of,

31:42

it was really nice. So that's sort of like we meet

31:44

with now, that's sort of a mutually extended invite. We always

31:46

kind of plan to do that was quite nice. And then

31:48

I also did another one where you actually bought me the

31:50

tickets, because I think it was to see... I think you

31:52

were away, and they said that really quickly. And you were

31:55

like, can you buy me these tickets? I was like, sure.

31:57

Yeah, I'll sort your diary for you. So Sarah bought me

31:59

tickets. see Liz Gilbert at the

32:01

Barbecue and also you bought gold tickets

32:03

brilliant I was like oh gold yeah on the ticket

32:05

they were so funny I was looking I know that's what

32:07

I thought I thought what she got me the good ones

32:09

and it was really funny on the ticket that I was

32:12

reading last night I was trying to find out where where

32:14

in the barbecue were these tickets it said gold tickets second

32:16

best I

32:19

mean the first question is always

32:21

what is first best

32:24

that was the VIP ticket Sarah which

32:26

we clearly didn't buy or maybe they

32:28

went on sale that was the front

32:30

sort of four five rows and I

32:33

was able to go four five rows but you're

32:35

in the row six no g and beyond I

32:37

was allowed to sit on the second bay of

32:39

but anyway the point of Sarah buying this ticket

32:41

is she bought me two tickets at my request

32:44

but I actually kept I kept the second ticket for

32:46

quite a long time to think oh who can I

32:48

extend this invite to and I didn't extend the invite

32:50

with somebody that I don't know very well but had

32:53

kind of met through through our work and I was

32:55

like oh actually this could be like a really interesting

32:57

thing that we both like to do and it was

32:59

it was brilliant at the best time but that

33:01

kind of invite gave me the opportunity to connect

33:04

with someone that I probably wouldn't have had that

33:06

conversation with uh if it wasn't for that so

33:08

thanks for buying the ticket oh you're

33:10

welcome um it just sounds surprising that

33:12

I did that you know I was

33:14

like I was obviously in a good

33:17

mood that day and then the last

33:19

one is if you find it hard to

33:22

protect time for yourself I know a few

33:24

people who do this where you know they

33:26

sort of put in a meeting where it's

33:29

basically a meeting for me so

33:31

this is really going you know maybe you call

33:33

it something we actually call them freedom Fridays but

33:35

we obviously have the luxury I think of being

33:37

able to do that and be kind of quite

33:40

playful I'm not sure I could have just done

33:42

that as saying it's what I couldn't be like yeah sorry

33:44

everyone from my retail role I'm just going

33:46

to ignore you all but I do

33:48

think I have always and I

33:50

hope this is not just us I think

33:53

we were trying to challenge ourselves to go

33:55

right back in the days of you

33:57

know other people putting a lot of meetings in your diaries or being part

33:59

of the lots of projects when you're in big

34:01

companies. I think I would have always had enough

34:03

freedom to be able to

34:05

have an equivalent of a meeting for me at

34:08

some point every day where you're just going

34:10

this is just some time kind

34:12

of either where I'm going to go and connect

34:14

with someone and have a coffee maybe you're just

34:16

by yourself you're just having a think you're

34:19

just having some of that space that

34:21

Helen described and also knowing what

34:23

does that look like for you and when will that work

34:25

best for you because there are always some things in your

34:28

diary that I think are sort of unchangeable

34:30

and you have very low levels of control

34:32

over certainly if I think back to what

34:34

my week used to look like at places

34:36

like things with Barclays you kind of go

34:38

well there's those immovable moments so I'm no

34:40

one's ever strange about those because I just

34:42

have to turn up to those but

34:44

there are those things where I can sort of

34:46

maybe they're more optional or maybe I could experiment

34:49

with changing those or to Helen's

34:51

point does that need to be a reoccurring meeting

34:53

or could that be a once a month meeting

34:55

you know those kind of things I think you

34:57

can it's like kind of looking for

34:59

those moments in your week where you have like high

35:01

levels of control and that's when maybe you can take

35:04

a bit of time after yourself and

35:06

I just on the recurring thing I've tried before you know

35:08

you go oh 11 to 12 let's

35:10

do a recurring meeting like for reflection

35:13

or something I actually find it when

35:15

it when it's recurring I tend to get a

35:18

bit lazy with it and go oh I'll just

35:20

do some emails what I find much more useful

35:22

is I go in my diary and I go

35:24

right I'm going to hold that time and I

35:26

mean I will I will write like do not

35:28

book it's what I will write but that might not

35:31

be the right language for you in in your organization

35:33

you could just call it keep free time or I

35:35

mean I know some people like make up

35:37

a meeting name or whatever like call

35:39

it call it whatever works but my

35:41

personal insight on this is the action

35:44

of going through my diary and being very intentional of

35:46

okay on Wednesday it's going to be 10 till 11

35:48

or on Friday it's going to be 10 to 12

35:50

I'm going to I'm going to kind of block that

35:52

as a meeting for me I find

35:54

that more effective than just having

35:57

the recurring daily slot that

35:59

just tends to get filled by stuff, that

36:01

the intentionality of holding the time makes

36:03

me, I don't know, just maybe a

36:05

bit more aware of it and a bit more protective

36:08

over it maybe. And

36:10

the final area that we thought your

36:12

diary is very revealing about is

36:14

your work life fit. And we

36:16

know this matters to everyone and to

36:19

all of us. And at the same

36:21

time, boundaries can very easily get blurred

36:23

and be quite tricky. And

36:27

if you can think about your diary

36:29

as a vehicle maybe or as an

36:31

opportunity to actually support your

36:33

work life fit, that might be quite a

36:35

good starting point. And whether that is prioritizing

36:37

and protecting some things and like habits that

36:39

you really want to have for yourself, it

36:42

could be as simple as I do want

36:44

to take a lunch break. It

36:46

could be things like active rest. So we

36:49

know that active rest, which is when your

36:51

brain is fully absorbed and focused in something

36:53

that isn't work, it takes all of

36:55

your presence and attention. We know that's

36:57

really good for you. And

37:00

we also know that the best way

37:02

really to build your resilience reserves every

37:04

day is to do something that

37:06

is just for you. And again,

37:08

I think those things don't just appear.

37:10

These are very much

37:13

choices where you have to then think about, well,

37:15

how am I going to make that work for me? And

37:18

I think sometimes my problem with this actually

37:20

is being overly ambitious. You

37:22

know, I'm just being like unrealistic. It's like,

37:24

well, in my head, I think because I

37:26

do like the idea of space and a

37:28

tiny bit controlling, I'm like, well, it's

37:31

fine. I should always be

37:33

able to make all of my

37:35

boundaries work. And I think I do have

37:37

like a sort of, I'm like, well, I've got no excuse. This

37:40

should all be perfect all of the time. And

37:42

then you realize like, of course, of course, that's

37:44

no one's reality. And so

37:46

this is where I think you've got to be really

37:48

clear about, again, back to that kind

37:50

of priorities, like what are those boundaries

37:54

and how often are those boundaries getting

37:56

broken? I think that was the reveal

37:58

for me where you talk about your diary doesn't. lie.

38:00

Again, I could tell you my boundaries,

38:02

like Helen and I will talk about that in a second,

38:05

because we could both very quickly like, reel off our, oh

38:07

these are our boundaries, and then we were both like, yes,

38:09

so how often those boundaries get broken? And

38:11

then it's going to the connect the dots,

38:14

why do they? And then what are

38:16

you going to do, what are you going to do differently? So Helen, do you want

38:18

to give a few examples of some of your boundaries? Yes,

38:21

so my boundaries are mainly connected to my children

38:23

and my social life, it turns out. So the

38:26

children, the children ones are,

38:29

I like to be back for bedtime, which means

38:31

that I need to be home for 630, so

38:33

I've got, so that I can kind of do

38:35

some reading and stuff and spend time with my

38:37

youngest, because she goes to bed at 6 30,

38:39

so I need to back for 630, so I've

38:41

got at least half an hour with her, which

38:43

I know doesn't sound a lot, but that is,

38:45

that is the reality. Sometimes it's earlier than that,

38:48

but that's kind of like, I need, I need to

38:50

be 630 at the latest, so I get a bit

38:52

of time with her, that's one of my boundaries. A

38:54

second is I am to the point of social life

38:56

that can sometimes come into complex with my family life,

38:59

and so I have some boundaries around I want to

39:01

be in more nights than I'm out, so I'm fine

39:03

with being out two nights a week, but any time

39:05

it tips over to three, I'm like, oh, that has

39:07

to be a very good reason in my mind that

39:10

I've let it tip into three. And I

39:12

also don't like to have nights out

39:14

consecutively. And it's all, it is all

39:16

connected to my children in that I'm like,

39:18

well, again, it has to be a really good reason

39:21

if it's two nights in a row, because that means

39:23

that I, you know, I miss quite a lot of

39:25

time with them that I think is important. So most

39:27

of my boundaries are kind of just managing the fact

39:29

that I, it's sometimes a bit, you know, a bit

39:31

of a challenge, sometimes the conflicts that that creates when

39:33

I was looking at my diary, sort

39:35

of knowing that those are my boundaries. It was

39:37

really funny. So I started looking forward and I

39:39

was like, oh, that looks, when I looked forward,

39:41

I was like, oh, that looks all pretty good.

39:44

Like I've got, it all

39:46

looks great. I must be doing really well on

39:48

this. But my then I looked back

39:50

and what I realised was I

39:52

could see more conflicts when I was looking

39:55

back than when I was looking forward. And

39:57

It made me think, yeah, it made me

39:59

think. I think. A

40:02

week I compromised myself so I I

40:04

was in the moment. Yeah, just get

40:06

bled into my yes, that's because you

40:08

comes major blood. Oh I've got. this

40:10

is your to do and I'm oh

40:12

yeah I'm great and then it. Is

40:14

in the week I oni.

40:16

Commit to something long time. I look the darren

40:19

of a space out quite nicely. in on the

40:21

always go to that the do that but yes

40:23

that with my name reflection was I who actually.

40:26

You. Need t

40:28

before you need to check

40:30

before you commit because my

40:32

excitement. Of I

40:34

want to do everything when I'm offered an

40:36

opportunity. A want to say yes and that

40:39

is what creates. The complex that as

40:41

a oh interesting interesting insights. I or

40:43

some other inside was just helping other

40:45

people to protect my boundaries. Glum on

40:47

that point you know may be. Like.

40:50

This. Coming. Someone else dakota hold up

40:52

a get all that has he said Because I've

40:54

I've. I cover either self pity much about really think

40:56

about it with it will be useful so. I found

40:58

it I like what does not comment about place. For

41:01

I can see I can see where the problems

41:03

creep him which I thought was useful. I

41:05

think see because you are say energized

41:08

by. People. An opportunity it

41:10

might be had isn't a new had were

41:12

you guys? Don't. Default saying

41:14

yes classic eat eat you definitely felt

41:16

yes as a yes to be helpful

41:18

yes trying to make to flat but

41:20

you get the without you need comes

41:23

ten like just after.com and for you

41:25

get really excited I just had a

41:27

cat the time like a kid isn't

41:29

it how they had a bad and

41:31

legit then he couldn't let out a

41:33

precise icy or to date a week

41:35

or whatever and actually we find that

41:37

we are thinking of as he the

41:39

boundaries say Helens second cats and my

41:41

only one or the same age but

41:43

data. That a very different times said that

41:45

if the last week we have the are I

41:47

parenting six months because thought that about it's not

41:50

that poke this this is not that August. A

41:52

lot of very very good reasons that my little

41:54

boy guys by caught lot lighter than others. They'll

41:56

go. And sometimes we are trying

41:58

to thought to us. The evening and are

42:01

boundary class because hell of a lot

42:03

right? Well on it I get had

42:05

a success. It's try and spend time

42:07

with hello there. And then that was

42:09

fun. I'm sorry. And. Then all guy okay

42:11

would now on know for a and then

42:13

bus hundred and both of us that we

42:15

like ten an hour by society to only

42:17

had the and i'm like without logo and

42:20

so as you have inches and mack and

42:22

since on sale hard right you know that's

42:24

why i think of to my boundaries get

42:26

broken because. You. Also trying to

42:28

be. Helpful to the people

42:30

and and also you've you've got to

42:32

get to stand and sometimes it can

42:34

feel hard to find into the like

42:36

by always nice. I. Always know when

42:39

you when I stood legs because li our

42:41

but when we have studied I sang. And

42:43

some has it enough data centers dig at night

42:45

and he didn't needing a happy about it out

42:47

of not my son, your boundaries. Eat it like

42:49

breaking my that sometimes the sell at we like

42:51

run out of road or much like imagery of

42:53

like rid Us but I think of the not

42:55

use it that's because. That's. Never

42:57

and. Yeah. Usually to it

43:00

will have worked in a class by says

43:02

something along the way has happened that them

43:04

and that that bungie gets fight them as

43:06

a a line on on that point it's

43:09

weaknesses your did that of and receptions the

43:11

and I think one thing to me that's

43:13

really important when you're coming up against maybe

43:16

like bounty conflicts is just like not to

43:18

judge them. the everyone's boundaries, all rights as

43:20

I am yeah and and to clarify that

43:22

oh that's ridiculous ammo you might be or

43:25

you could judge me for my kind of

43:27

socializing stuff and below or says that is

43:29

not important helens I think you're just that

43:31

when to come. Knowing adults I I

43:34

I, I found a. Home made own.

43:36

I agree. If I'd I'd I love live at

43:38

odds For I think that that lack of judgment

43:40

is really, really important because what you're trying to

43:43

do is work with people like find a way

43:45

round like in a way through the fact that

43:47

we may have different boundaries rather than. Judge.

43:50

The importance of some place on their bodies

43:52

because I'm out of not help collective like

43:54

boundaries as they get all that is like

43:57

a recipe for disaster. And your I think I

43:59

think we've got some. point we don't have that judgment we

44:01

kind of respect I think we recognize each other's boundaries

44:03

and we respect them and then we try to find

44:05

ways to work with them. It's really true

44:07

actually because ours are actually are very different

44:09

I do think we make quite different choices

44:12

in our days like I mean I'm not I

44:14

mean you actually live quite near a forest I was

44:16

like very near a forest and you never seem to

44:19

walk in it. And I'm not in the week

44:22

you know and I'm like I don't live I

44:24

don't live near a forest but I was like I'll be

44:26

like oh Helen I'm you might be

44:28

like well can we talk about this and I'm like well we can

44:31

but I'm three-quarters of the way into a walk

44:33

or like I've this I'm like not in the house I'm not

44:35

even at home I've like gone for a walk and

44:37

it'll be like I don't know 2 p.m. or

44:39

whatever and I sort of can't contemplate you ever

44:41

doing that but I also never feel like you're

44:43

going why is she not on her laptop? Yeah

44:45

no never. Why is she not because I know. Why is she not

44:47

typing some words? Well I think if you just randomly said it to

44:49

me I'm going for a walk I'd be like oh I can not

44:51

do it later but because I know that that is

44:54

your boundary I would never I would

44:56

never say that to you. Can you walk home faster please? Yeah

44:58

yeah never never. So I think that is like you've got to

45:00

know what people's boundaries are you've got to respect them I

45:02

think that's that's a really important sort of team angle on

45:05

this. So funny enough I was

45:07

like really thinking about this and I I

45:09

think one of my boundaries is I don't

45:12

like having anything in my

45:14

diary sort of post 5 p.m. so

45:16

I actually work quite a lot in the evening because

45:18

I'm I'm a nice night person and actually have

45:20

a real burst of energy sort of early

45:23

evening and it's also when I

45:25

go to things like if I'm gonna do any exercise that's

45:27

the time that I do it so I sort of

45:30

see anything fast past 5 p.m. I'm like

45:32

sort of no no one is allowed to go near

45:34

that time everything has to be very much me choosing

45:36

what do I want to work on oh I want

45:39

to go to Pilates I'm gonna go for I might

45:41

go for another walk I do actually sometimes go for

45:43

two two or three walks a day. Some

45:45

of them are really sure I just like

45:47

I always go walking this little solo person

45:50

just meandering around but again

45:52

if I've had a really busy day I do actually do

45:54

that but I

45:56

really then find it very difficult if

45:58

someone is sort of taking up that evening

46:01

time. And actually that has happened. So

46:03

I've noticed there's been other people have been

46:05

putting time in for me to do work for them,

46:07

that they need me to do, which is fine. But

46:10

it's always post 5 p.m. I don't know why that's

46:12

happened, but I then reflected on that

46:14

and thought, but I have never said

46:17

that to anybody out loud until today. In

46:19

my head, it's very clear. But

46:21

equally, we have fully transparent diaries and our team

46:23

and we have the brilliant Sarah who helps Helen

46:26

and I kind of manage our diaries. And

46:28

so at no point have I signaled to

46:30

other people that that's

46:33

quite a nuance thing that I've

46:35

just described. And so if I

46:37

need people to respect that boundary, I think

46:39

you've got to name it and share it with

46:42

the people that matter, people you work really closely

46:44

with, or if anyone else does have the

46:47

ability to control your day and your

46:49

diary, they need to know because otherwise

46:51

people can't help you. I think to

46:54

Helen's point, those people can be really

46:56

helpful accountability partners. And so actually

46:58

when Helen and I were going through our boundaries and I'd got

47:00

some other ones, I was like, oh, how

47:02

my Monday works really matters to me, because I think

47:04

starting my week well matters. So I always want to

47:06

have time for exercise on a Monday. I

47:09

wouldn't be around for bedtime as well. Same as Helen, which

47:11

is a lot later for bedtime. And avoiding

47:13

back to back meetings. And then we

47:15

both said, oh, interesting. I think

47:17

we have written this down,

47:19

or versions of this down a

47:22

few times, but never in a place that

47:24

we keep coming back to or refer to.

47:26

And usually from a point of frustration,

47:28

where we've gone, oh, let's

47:30

write these down again. And so again, I think if

47:32

you're gonna do this really well, you've got

47:35

to make it really clear and you've got to share it. So

47:38

we hope you are now on board with

47:40

this kind of strange title of why your

47:42

diary doesn't lie. And you've got lots of actions

47:45

that you can experiment with. Just kind of in

47:47

summary, and again, we'll put these in the pod

47:49

sheet for you. The first thing that we're recommending

47:51

you do is just look at your diary and

47:53

see what three things you notice. And then there

47:55

are those three sections. So priorities, people, and then

47:57

work-life fit. I'm just giving those a bit of

47:59

an X. look into because then you'll

48:01

be able to get some more insights and that

48:03

will hopefully take you some more effective action so

48:05

you can make sure that your time is well

48:07

spent at work. So

48:10

that's everything for this week, thank you so much for listening

48:12

and we'll be back with you again soon.