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In Thao's family, nobody really talked about anything significant besides what they were going to eat for dinner. And so she was shocked to hear that her grandmother had a dark relationship with her grandfather. So she went back home to interview her grandma and find out more.

Thanks so much to Thao Nguyen, who composed the music used here specifically for this piece! Catch more of her genius at Radiolab's live show, where she is performs the live score. She's currently working on a new album, but in the meantime, check out her album, We Brave Bee Stings and All. Thanks also to Snap Judgment, who originally ran this piece.