What is Democracy Good For? That is the main question for both of my guests.

I met David Orr at the National Conservation Training Center a few years back when we were both addressing young people about climate change, sustainability, government and media.

Shortly after meeting him I got my hands on as much of his writing as I could and I have been a massive fan of his mind and voice ever since

He has been one of the most respected voices in the environmental movement for over a generation and we had a great talk.

I LOVE this collection of his essays

https://www.amazon.com/Hope-Imperative-Essential-David-Orr/dp/1597267007/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=david+orr&qid=1576214875&sr=8-4

Then at about 42 minutes I finally got my old friend John Avlon,who is kicking ass on CNN every morning, on the horn he was as smart and thoughtful as always. 

Give him a follow on twitter @johnavlon and watch him every day on CNN

Get his books too! 

https://johnavlon.com/books/

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