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Minute. It's the daily podcast in which we

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analyze, we scrutinize, and we celebrate

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I'm Alex Robinson from alexrobinson.fun.

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And I am Stuart Wellington from

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Hinterland's Bar and

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Minnie's Bar in Brooklyn, New York. Welcome

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back, Stu. Oh, thank

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you. And

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the listeners. Do... Them too.

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Yes. Not to put you on the spot, but

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do either of

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the bars have their own websites and

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do bars need websites? I would imagine they don't.

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It doesn't help that much. I feel

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like you're... For what we

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do... We don't have... I mean, I think we

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own the URLs, but we

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don't use them. I

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don't quite know what we would...

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Because we don't offer... We're neighborhood

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bars. We don't offer party packages

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or anything like that. I feel

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like a website would be kind of a waste

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of time and energy. We have...

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And we have Instagram accounts and stuff

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like that. So... Yeah. All

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right. Again, not to put you on the spot. I'm happy to be on the

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spot. Might as well ask on air.

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Yeah. Well,

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let's talk about minute 119 of The Rise

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of Skywalker, shall we? Please.

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Minute number 119 starts off

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with Rey laying back, listening to

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the Jedi greatest hits call

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her name. And it ends a minute

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later with Rey blocking some force lightning

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with old laser sword.

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So something happens

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in this minute where she gets up and ready

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to fight full of beans.

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It's a real...

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It's a... It's a easy... I see a gimmick, but

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I'm really struck by how

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just flicking the lights really fast

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can really alter someone's physical

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appearance, you know what I mean, depending on what the angle of

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the lighting is. They did

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this earlier, obviously, with Palpatine a bunch, where they

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just kind of had a strobe light going, where

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he looked like a different person every frame,

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and they're doing a similar kind of thing here, Ray, where she's kind

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of like, you see her face with different shadows.

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Anyway, it's a very simple trick, but it's very

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effective. It's

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like Dr. Jacqueline, Mr. Hyde. Yeah,

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do you think the idea is to show, yeah,

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is the idea to show like that

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she could be being pulled by

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the light side or the dark side? What do you think the intention

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is? Or just, I don't think... I

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think just looks cool. I don't think it's any real, like,

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I mean, thematically, it doesn't seem like it really... She

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doesn't seem like she's on the verge of turning evil or

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anything. Guys, I'm trying to remember

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this movie. Is there a lot

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of tug on Ray to

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fall to the dark side? Is that... The

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hints at it, but very

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little attention given to trying to get

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her to come to the dark side. She seems

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worried about it, but it seems unfounded because she

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never seems to be struggling with it other than she

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was just like, you don't understand. I could

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fall to the dark side, and it's like she shows... Other

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than when she accidentally forced lightnings,

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there's no real sense. She's

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never seen, she never does anything selfish or

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out of anger. It's

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just like she's just pure goodness

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the whole time. She's like, I'm worried about the dark side.

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Yeah, she did shoot forced lightening

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all over the place, right? You

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do that one time. One

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time, and people just assume

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you're a third. Yeah. Well,

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she probably also knew how much she really liked shooting the lightening.

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That's why she's like, oh, am I going to be doing this

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all the time? Well, I

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would be. That's

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how I turned on and off TV. Oh my God, that would be crazy, right?

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sneak and smoke. Pull

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the old sneak and smoke.

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But yeah, she should totally have, like instead she

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like announces herself. She was like, Jedi

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here, you know, like, yeah.

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And he's like, Oh, I

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mean, I would, I could see the argument

6:17

that she needs to have a visible

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show of resistance against him

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to show that, you know, I

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don't know that he's that

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she is, she is not frightened of end.

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Yada, yada, yada.

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Simple as

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them. And

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let your death be the final word in

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the story of the rebellion. Nice,

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his little metaphor there.

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Does she have writers? Do we think he's

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got, he's still hammy.

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Yeah, I mean, if not, I think he should, you know, he

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should reconsider this kind of galactic overlord

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thing and maybe do like a book of poetry or something

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or I was gonna say like, like a like

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a bad one man Broadway show.

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Oh, man, bad

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one. I think it'd be awesome.

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Again, although again, I feel like we're stepping

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on the Georgia just auction territory

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right now. Yeah, it's true. But

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I will say, let me remind

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longtime listeners might remember that I once went

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to go see we already

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mentioned Voldemort before. So this is a coincidentally,

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I went to go see a show years

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ago called I think, Faith Healer. And it

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was a series of monologues. Basically, it's like three

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acts and each one was just like a one man show like

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a monologue kind of performance. And

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I forgot who the third person was. But the two

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of the performers were Ray Fiennes

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Voldemort and Ian McDermott Palpatine

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himself. Whoa. So who's

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the third one? Was it Josh Bolin

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or I'm trying to be a little good. That would

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have been cool. Other villains from other.

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I think Hugo Weaving would have been perfect.

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Right. Oh yeah, there you go. Yeah. There's

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no DC equivalent. I feel like

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Hugo Weaving would match

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the right tone of handiness

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that the other two guys can hit to. Like, I

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think that's a great night. How

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is he not in Star Wars at any point? I feel

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like I haven't seen him for a while now. I

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mean, I think he's probably

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tired. I

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know he had a really

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bad experience with filming

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Captain America with Marvel. That's why he never came

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back. Even though he's

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great in that movie.

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Right.

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So that was he's like, I'm done with blockbusters and

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prosthetics. Probably, yeah.

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I would imagine that red skull makeup

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wasn't super fun to wear. Yeah,

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it doesn't look it. The third actor was

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Cherry Jones. Cherry

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Jones, who mainly she's a

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stage actress, but I think

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she's done some filmography. What

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about a lady? What about a lady? Will we ever have

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a lady big bad in one of these franchises

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where a lady is the one behind

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everything? I

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mean, I feel like there's got to be. I'm just trying

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to figure out, trying to think of

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all my franchises. Tilda

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Swinton in Lion of the Witch of the Wardrobe.

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All right. Here you go. I'll

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allow it. And then they threw

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her into little kind of flashback

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appearances in the other two. They

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were kind of keep her as the... I think they need to just

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bring in Lydia Tarr from the movie Tarr.

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She's a great big bad. And

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to merge that with another franchise. Yeah. Like,

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you know, Mattel is looking to do some stuff. You know, let's

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get this mix up Tarr and one

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of their properties. I think it sounds great. I mean, DC

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could use a good big bad. I feel like Lydia Tarr

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would spice up that whole franchise.

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But

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yeah, it does seem unwise

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of her to make

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her presence known, but then she manages,

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she uses the lightsaber and the

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old trick of stopping the lightning with the lightsaber.

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So this is lightning that was totally

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roasting a bunch of spaceships a second ago.

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Well, that lightsaber just... It was messing with their

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electronics. We

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should have had like a, you know, show

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somebody in the resistance with like a bicycle,

10:35

like a bicycle powered plane. Ah,

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steam powered. Oh yeah.

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And that's how we win. Here we go. Oh, there you go. Ewoks,

10:42

perfect. We already had one of those. We're all

10:44

getting destroyed and we see Ewok Glider come fly

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and drop some rocks on a Star Destroyer. That

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would have been set up. Honestly, if

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that had happened, I wouldn't have been shocked in

10:54

this movie. That would have felt very of a piece.

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Yeah. It's throwing everything in there. Yeah,

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it's perfect because they're all in the atmosphere too, so

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it would make perfect sense for them to be flying around

11:05

with, you know, don't age. It's sky trash.

11:08

It's sky trash. There you

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go. Oh, sky trash. Yeah,

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she's blocking the thing with the lightning with

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her lightsaber. Time honored

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tradition. Mace Windu Maneuver.

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I think they call that the Windu Maneuver actually.

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Because I feel like a lot of Jedi probably

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haven't had an opportunity to reflect Force lightning,

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right? You would

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think because we've seen

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Sheev do it and we saw Dooku

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do it. Yeah, I forgot he did

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it. Maybe

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in the intervening years there's probably some... I'm

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sure they're going to show in between the people. Did

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a Soak I have to fight a Sith or something? She

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did, but I don't think... There

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was any Force lightning? I don't think the person

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did Force lightning. We

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set off the lightning.

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Yeah.

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Um, I once again, let me

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quick just an item of note here

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from from the expanded edition

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of Star Wars Episode Nine arises Skywalker

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by New York Times bestselling author Ray Carson.

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Um,

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right here, but she, you know, the Ray

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is blocking the lightning

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with with Leia's lightsaber,

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which was on her belt because she used

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the force to hand off Luke's to

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Ben Solo. And then he presumably

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dropped it. Um,

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she is the opposite in the book.

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She starts out with Leia's lightsaber. She's holding,

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blocking it with Leia's and then,

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uh, grabs, no, starts

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out with Luke's. And then grabs Leia's

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and it seems like she might just like have it on her belt

12:45

or something. She just grabs, she sees Luke's lightsaber,

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grabs it, starts with that in the book and then kind

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of pulls the other one. Like spoiler

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alert, Ray's got a maneuver

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that she's working on here and, and it

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doesn't play quite the same in that. And she starts with,

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I wonder if one was wondering if there was some kind of

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symbolism to like, I'm, I'm

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starting with like, start

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this could be like her training. The order that she kind

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of, you know, became acquainted with these lightsabers. She's

13:13

like, oh, I'm starting with Luke and then I'm getting

13:15

Leia's lightsaber. But in the movie, it's the opposite.

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She's starting with

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Leia's and then because Ben

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had Luke's, I guess she's got to go retrieve

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that one. But now do you think that was just a whoopsie

13:29

on the part of the author or was that an intentional

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choice? I,

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you know, couldn't tell you.

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It seems like it makes more sense the way that it is in

13:38

the book. Maybe I would say maybe

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it's a whoopsie on the late animator

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change in the, yeah, in

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the movie making department where they, they didn't

13:48

quite see what they had there. It would make sense

13:51

for her to have Anakin's

13:53

lightsaber because that's the one she was using in

13:55

the other movies and then give Leia's lightsaber

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to her son who's right there.

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the of having to deal with streaming services

16:02

wanna i feel like that is a piece of physical

16:04

media i should actually go out and buy as

16:06

i love that movie so when we're done

16:08

here i'll go ahead over the omagh ah

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don't know best by doctor or

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as don't that he got alive

16:20

so coming of the video so they sell things

16:22

they just rent maybe i'll get our our

16:24

our emails with him and say the i guys

16:26

of idiots we have a live show coming up to my by

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the secret of nimh on blu ray frontiersman

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befitting have made it on blu ray i

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hope so they'll probably well

16:37

obviously we're so my secret of nimh they want everything

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to talk about specific summit in one nineteenth

16:42

or when eighties he saw one ninety we

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are on a one nine nine tds if

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not i'll bust out those trivia questions i almost

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gave you guys yesterday yes trivia

16:51

heard you are is i'd

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see where you're at a big disadvantage customers

16:56

has to do with what we see in the movie so far

16:58

and you in that okay you know what ah just

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like ray i'm going to stand up with my lightsaber

17:02

and face a superior foe about

17:05

the idea of like elliott and and

17:07

know and

17:09

kind of popping up in your in your yard but instead of like

17:12

instead of giving you you know encouraging had violated

17:14

unarmed out there is interrupting me

17:17

amp they're singing songs are

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i just want surged forward name all the planets

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we visit in the film not counting the

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hyperspace jumping at the very beginning oh

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boy well

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let me think i was able to come up with six

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six world's total

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in the movie or up to this point the movie

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ah you know i'll guess they have to

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this point as i don't recall if they go to a

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different planet at the end use it as hands a wiener

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the and do all your morale case than

17:48

this one that's on

17:50

steam eyetoy thought about them

17:52

fit or how i could have been physicists

17:55

alert success or leading up

17:57

to as we we can't look forward sol leading up

17:59

to this I'll go the opposite

18:01

end. I'll go at the beginning of the movie. We we don't

18:03

it's not explicitly clear, but we get to see

18:07

Kylo Ren kicking some butt on Darth

18:09

Vader's castle planet of

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Mustafar Mustafar is correct. Mm-hmm

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Wait and that was where he where

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Where Obi-Wan had the high ground and then he got

18:23

his arms and legs chopped off, right? That was all

18:25

right Mustafar Okay. Yeah, so then

18:27

he built this house. It makes sense why I would be angry.

18:30

Yeah, so you could always be near his roasted legs

18:33

Yeah Where'd he look sad

18:35

like see that over there? That's my leg. That's where

18:38

that's where Ben Mendelsohn

18:40

visited him, right? In yes.

18:43

Oh, man. That's a great scene Oh

18:48

my gosh Give

18:53

up where no so no then they go to

18:56

the planet where they were like hang that where's the Resistance

18:59

rebel base on this one the whole time Is

19:02

on a planet that I can't tell you but All

19:07

throw in it but with Bobby Frick's home planet of

19:09

the whole home planet but his

19:12

home base is kajimi That's right. I remember

19:14

kajimi no longer exists No

19:17

destroyed by the Empire Don't

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even cloth Asian cloth correct

19:23

gal that was boom boom. That's the that's where the rebel

19:25

base is here three more Wow

19:28

You're doing pretty good. Yeah The

19:30

desert where they go to the party

19:34

Passana a sauna correct of Mundo

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Wow Oh

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The planet they're on right now,

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yeah, they're on a photo. Yeah. Oh, that's

19:46

a call. I got one more

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What other planet would they have been on

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this let's just say they enjoy

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horsing around on this planet Oh Yeah,

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okay around. Kefir.

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Kefir. Technically

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not a planet, right? Mm-hmm. All right, Moon. Take

20:08

it off. I don't know. The

20:10

rest of these are all multiple choice.

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Pretty good. Pretty close. Yeah, that was pretty

20:15

good. It is the one that we're cutting. If you would ask me about planets

20:17

in, you know, Last

20:19

Jedi or The Force Awakens,

20:21

I would have no clue. I'd be like, ah, it's a blue one.

20:23

Yeah, I don't remember the name of. Only

20:27

because it's fresh on my, I've got, you know,

20:29

pages and pages of talking

20:32

about this. Kukanto Bite. Kukanto

20:35

Bite. And whatever

20:37

the planet was, we started, uh, the first

20:40

one. Anyway, what is the name of the

20:42

ship belonging to the Knights of

20:44

Ren? It's multiple choice if

20:46

you don't know it immediately. Oh, wait,

20:48

it's got a, it's totally, it's

20:52

got a silly, it sounds like it was made

20:54

by like 15 year olds who were trying to be badass.

20:58

Your choices are the

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steadfast, the vulture,

21:04

the buzzard,

21:05

or the cuckoo. I'm

21:08

gonna say it's the buzzard. I

21:11

think that's correct. Buzzard is correct. Stuart Wellington. Points

21:14

for Stu. I'm a 15 year

21:16

old boy at heart. You

21:20

know, why'd you go with buzzards instead of vulture? Z's?

21:23

Z's are more extreme? Yeah, I

21:25

also, I feel like I remember reading the

21:29

name of buzzard somewhere. Fair

21:33

enough. What is Lando's

21:35

nickname on Passana? On Passana

21:38

they referred to him by it. They're like, oh, you want

21:40

to go see Blankety Blank. Now,

21:44

I think this is just a bit and not actually

21:46

in the movie, but the ice cream man. That

21:50

was a bit. Yeah, drives around in the truck delivering stuff.

21:53

Is it the tread man, the hermit,

21:55

the mystery man, or the mind harpist

21:58

of sharoo? Lando's

22:03

nickname. Treadman,

22:06

Hermit, Mystery Man, or Mine

22:08

Harpist of Charoo? I'm gonna

22:12

say Mystery Man. I'll

22:15

agree with Stuart again. Both wrong. Correct

22:17

answer is the Hermit. The

22:20

Hermit. That really makes sense

22:22

though. Maybe I'll

22:24

do better on this one. Ochiya

22:26

Bestoon, the sidekick.

22:30

What was the name of his spaceship which they wound

22:33

up commandeering? Was

22:36

it the Pride of Gugu

22:38

or something like that? Is

22:41

it the Pride of Gugu? The

22:43

Bestoon Legacy? The Steadfast?

22:46

The Golden Sky? Or the Lucky

22:48

Lady? You keep wanting

22:51

us to say Steadfast, but it's not gonna be Steadfast.

22:55

It's the Bestoon Legacy, right? How

22:59

many Ewoks do we see celebrating on the

23:02

planet Endor? Again,

23:04

not a moon. The

23:10

beat is correct. Zero. We see them on the forest moon

23:12

of Endor. Oh

23:16

man. I gotta

23:19

turn in my Star Wars guard. We

23:21

all remember Kylo Ren had Darth

23:24

Vader's helmet as a collector's item. What

23:27

happened to the helmet? Didn't

23:32

he smoosh it or something? Is

23:36

that you guess? He smooshed it? He

23:42

bashed up his own helmet and then he got a chimp

23:44

to put it back together. That's

23:47

true. I like that chimp. When

23:52

they were fighting, they knocked it over. I

23:56

don't know the answer to this one. And

24:00

she's just like yeah, and he was like my collectibles

24:03

Yeah, cuz he didn't he got back.

24:05

I think they knocked it over like the little

24:09

Doric column, but I mean after that like once

24:14

The maid goes in there and cleans up and then does

24:17

the starter story get blown up with the helmet on it Probably

24:20

no problem So

24:23

that'll be the plan. I mean there'll be yeah 10 minute 10 years later

24:27

We're gonna get a movie about some guy finding a helmet

24:30

well, yeah, the the maintenance

24:32

guy like the I mean the the you

24:34

know the guy that the Janitor

24:37

guy the guy who took Finn his place in the janitorial

24:39

squad Sweeping up the depth the

24:42

the Star Destroyer Yeah sweeps

24:44

up Darth Vader's helmet and he looks at it and he was

24:46

to have in a thing and then he gets like Put it on

24:48

and it can spirit takes him over.

24:51

Yeah, he's also like the grandson

24:53

of Kyle Katarn So that all man

24:56

Wow Do you think Kyla Ren

24:58

ever tried to put the helmet on just for just

25:00

to see cool What

25:04

about now does it look okay now? Well

25:11

that will wrap up minute 119 unless you guys have anything

25:13

else you want to discuss any other And

25:16

throw back at me. No, I'm

25:18

good. I'm good with that. All right Well,

25:22

then Stuart you're coming

25:24

back tomorrow to wrap up the week with us. I

25:26

gotta see what happens will not take no like

25:29

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