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1:57

Hello,

1:58

welcome back to Star Wars Minute. It's

2:00

the daily podcast where we analyze,

2:03

scrutinize, and celebrate the Star Wars

2:05

movies one minute at a time. I'm

2:08

Pete the Retailer from PeteTheRetailer.com. I'm

2:11

Alex Robinson from AlexRobinson.fun.

2:15

I'm Greg Wyshynski, an accomplished writer who has

2:17

never been invited to participate in

2:19

something like From A Certain Point Of View because I

2:22

write about hockey and therefore

2:24

get pigeonholed as a sports writer

2:26

and not seen as anything but.

2:29

Wow, coming out swinging.

2:31

I was just thinking about it at the end of the last

2:33

minute. I was thinking to myself, I remember

2:36

seeing the books come out

2:37

and being like, I'd

2:40

love to take part in something like that but I'd never get invited. Because

2:42

they would be like, what are you going to do, write a

2:45

sports story about Star Wars? No

2:48

man, I'm going to write some stuff about a mug nut.

2:50

Well, you're preaching to the choir here. I'm sure Pete

2:53

and I are both nursing resentments that we

2:55

were not also invited to contribute to the book. Yeah. We'll

3:00

make our own grassroots story with this book. Yeah, we

3:02

can do that. I made

3:07

two leaps there and I'm trying to think of the, I

3:12

can't think of any of the fictional sports

3:14

teams from Marvel but I do know there

3:16

was a, Ticker's Inc. Well,

3:19

besides that. But

3:22

I know that there was like, once there was like

3:24

a clearly laid out, like divisions

3:27

and everything for the

3:30

hockey league in the DC universe. Wow.

3:33

Like the team names for the different

3:35

teams and what, it was probably written out

3:37

in the 70s. So

3:41

there were like maybe a dozen teams, 16 teams,

3:43

but it was like, you know,

3:45

the Gotham Slades or something like that.

3:48

Briefly, the greatest comic book

3:50

hockey crossover ever was, and you

3:52

may remember this, Pete, the Guardians

3:55

project. Oh, yeah.

3:57

Stan

3:59

Lee. was hired by the National Hockey

4:01

League to create

4:03

comic book characters for all

4:05

of the teams in the league.

4:08

And what Stan

4:10

did was say, I know what I'll

4:12

do. I'll simply take existing

4:15

IP and change the colors

4:17

to then give all these characters new life.

4:20

So like the coyote was legitimately just Wolverine.

4:24

There was like a guy who looked exactly

4:26

like Cyclops from the X-Men. And so

4:28

on. There was a guy who looked like Swamp Thing. So on and so

4:30

forth. The entire thing

4:33

was a colossal failure, lost millions

4:35

of dollars for the NHL, and

4:38

is never spoken of again. But that is the greatest

4:40

comic book hockey crossover of all time.

4:43

Besides, obviously, Casey Jones from

4:45

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which is up there

4:47

as well as the greatest hockey

4:49

comic book crossover of all time.

4:51

I'm uh, yeah, typical

4:54

like kind of like late Stan Lee model

4:56

stuff where he's just like, I don't know, here's a name

4:59

and kind of a look of like what he's like. And

5:01

then that's it. That's the entire depth of the character.

5:03

You know what I mean? It's like, he's called this

5:05

one power. Kind of like this. And like, yeah,

5:08

he has a single power that's kind of related to something.

5:10

That's his whole, that's it. That's all you're getting. There's

5:13

no like, oh, what's the story? Nope, nothing.

5:16

Yep, just purely

5:18

a name. Which, I mean, granted, if you got to come up

5:20

with 32 different characters, but like, that's

5:23

why they're paying you. Yeah. That's

5:25

what your old reputation is based on. You know what I mean? Hey,

5:27

I create universes. Here's

5:30

millions of dollars. Do it. Like, oh. Stan,

5:33

what do you envision for Toronto?

5:35

How about we call him the

5:37

Maple Leaf? And

5:40

he's bitten by a tree

5:42

and he gets extraordinary

5:45

power with great responsibility.

5:48

Stan, you've said that now for the last 18 teams.

5:52

Responsibility. Yeah,

5:55

he was, he said, I thought maybe

5:57

we were getting out of hand when he said that the guy

5:59

New York was bitten by a ranger?

6:02

Just kind of strange.

6:06

Well, what do you think? Should we talk about Star Wars a little bit?

6:09

Sure, why not? See,

6:12

we were like, I don't want to get pigeonholed into being the sports

6:14

raider guy. Then we just talked about sports. We'll talk about

6:16

fictional sports for a long time. It's Iron Minute!

6:21

Let's talk about minute 122. Sports

6:24

Free Minute. 122 of Star Wars Episode 9, The Rise of Skywalker.

6:29

It starts with Mrs. Daisy

6:32

telling Poe who's not going to make it. And it

6:34

ends with Finn saying, Rey,

6:36

one last time.

6:41

I think. You might be able to squeeze one more

6:43

in there. But as is his character,

6:46

speaking of Stan Lee's style characterization, he just

6:49

runs around and shouts, Rey, an awful lot in these movies. He

6:52

just says, Rey, in different tones and people

6:54

know what he's saying.

7:00

Let me keep some praise on this movie

7:02

for a second. Sure. In

7:06

watching this minute again, I don't know if it was

7:08

because when I saw Rise of Skywalker for

7:11

the first and only time in the theater,

7:13

I had just reached my end when

7:15

it came to this

7:18

entire thing of space horses

7:20

and people running around the hull of the Star

7:22

Destroyer and all of it. I

7:24

just didn't care anymore.

7:26

That being said, watching

7:29

this back, it's

7:31

really kind of dope to

7:33

have people leaping off a

7:35

Star Destroyer that is pointed down into a planet

7:37

and it is about to just explode

7:41

and they leap off this thing onto the Falcon

7:44

and it rescues them. And then it flies

7:46

away as the Star Destroyer is exploding.

7:49

I don't know what it was about my

7:52

complete depression and

7:54

apathy at that point in the theater that

7:56

I didn't really appreciate the magistry

7:59

of that shot.

8:00

But it's pretty cool that

8:02

moment when the Falcon save them.

8:05

I gotta admit. Yeah, I

8:07

think when I, I think the adults

8:09

part of my brain is like, this is the silliest thing we've

8:11

ever done in one of these movies. Like,

8:14

you know, the wind alone would blow them

8:16

off the Star Destroyer, but the

8:18

ten-year-old of me was like, that was awesome!

8:21

So I got it. The tie goes to the ten-year-old.

8:24

So you got him a tie fighter too? Yeah,

8:28

kid put it up. That's what these movies are for.

8:30

The ten-year-old inside you. Totally. And

8:33

then like you get a different perspective. What was the

8:36

flagship, the executer was it? Yeah,

8:40

exactly. Yeah, when

8:42

that crashes into the Death Star

8:45

and like, you get a different perspective

8:47

of that Star Destroyer destruction

8:49

from it being pointed down. It was really

8:51

kind of a cool shot. I do wish we had seen

8:54

it also from far away. The

8:57

shot they have is cool, but you generally only see it

8:59

from that one angle. I would like to see more coverage

9:01

on shots like that. Yeah. I

9:05

would like, again, not,

9:07

maybe in the future when we get the, you know,

9:09

everything streaming, you get branching, you can make your own

9:11

cut of whatever. I would

9:13

like to add maybe like a Family Guy style

9:16

shot of, you know, like cut to like the

9:18

one guy in Exegol who like didn't get collapsed

9:20

in the arena and he's going that back out trying

9:22

to find his car in the Sith parking lot.

9:25

And he finds it and as soon as he gets into it, it's like

9:27

the sky goes dark and then boom, the Star Destroyer

9:29

just lands right on his car. That

9:32

reminds me of the time of Star Destroyer failed my car. Right.

9:37

Yeah. So, as

9:39

we mentioned in the last minute, thank God for Lando

9:42

coming in and pose like,

9:45

I'm going to save these two people at a one seated

9:48

starship. And Lando's like,

9:50

baby, I got myself a much bigger

9:52

starship than you. And he comes in

9:54

and soups it and saves the day. It doesn't

9:57

require either of our heroes to try to like cram

9:59

into it. to R2's hole on an

10:02

X-Wing to try to escape the Star Destroyer because

10:04

if the Falcon has got ample space for

10:06

multiple people, you could have put in 10 people

10:08

on that thing like you saw at the end of Last

10:11

Jedi. So that was good. I'm happy somebody

10:13

came. Yeah, the entire device. I'm

10:16

happy somebody came and decided this

10:19

is a real dumb ass plan

10:21

you come up with, Beau. I'm going to come in here

10:23

and really save the day. I

10:26

have the R2's hole. That's the tiki bar

10:28

that he opened after he retired when this movie was over.

10:32

Yeah. Um, I

10:36

agree with everything you said. Although

10:38

this is the third time that

10:40

Lando has used Poe, his

10:43

despair, as an excuse for Lando to come

10:45

in and be like, you know what? I got you covered.

10:47

Like, this is the third time he's done it. It's

10:50

really funny, I think, in that regard. Like, Lando's

10:52

always listening and waiting until Poe is at his lowest

10:54

to go, okay, now I go in. Yeah.

10:58

Anyway. Well, I mean,

11:00

like, it's a cool guy move. And Lando's

11:02

the coolest guy in the galaxy outside of Han, right?

11:04

He's never had a dead. Yeah. What

11:06

do you do? Right. Yeah, he's

11:09

a title. No, he makes him the coolest. You

11:11

identify the guy who thinks he's the coolest,

11:13

Poe. And then you just be cooler

11:16

than him. And now you're, and now

11:18

look how good you look. Look how smooth you look. You

11:21

look great. You hang your own hoe? Well, you're

11:23

cool. You're cute. Let me see

11:25

it. I am a little

11:27

bit disappointed, you know, because Lando's like, the second

11:29

time that we see him rescuing people flying

11:32

up and flying the Falcon under somebody to

11:34

catch them in the saga.

11:37

And I'm a little bit disappointed we didn't get to see the Lando hatch

11:39

in this one. We saw it in the beginning

11:41

when they go out and they talked to Boulio and they run a cable

11:44

and all that stuff. We saw it in the beginning of the movie,

11:46

but would have liked to have seen them, you know, climb back in through

11:48

the Lando hatch. Yeah, minor problems.

11:52

They just kind of climbed on the Falcon and climbed in

11:54

themselves, right? I think you see Shooey.

11:56

It pops the cockpit open on its hands and

11:59

makes that a little... Do you bring him in? I

12:01

think you see Chewie's head, you see the hatch

12:03

open and you see head, like Chewie's head stick

12:05

out and stuff. I pretty, cause he's not in the, he's

12:07

not in the, I think you see him get up and go and

12:10

then in the next shot they're going,

12:12

they're, and then when they're walking back, when he goes,

12:14

Ray, Chewie's standing behind them. So he's like

12:16

escorting them back, make sure they don't take anything.

12:19

Move it, move it, come on. Yeah. I

12:21

was hoping that like Lando gets on like the

12:23

loud speaker and he's just like, there's

12:25

a little hole back there called the Lando hatch, baby.

12:28

Just climb on in. Smooth

12:30

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12:33

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Star Wars, the motion picture, when

16:02

this is the first time we see someone sensed

16:04

someone's death. We see Obi-Wan swoon

16:07

after all D'oron gets blown up and

16:09

his sensing is very vague. He's

16:11

just like, it's

16:14

like a thousand voices cried out

16:16

in terror and we're suddenly silenced. Not, oh my

16:18

God, Bill Organa is dead or even,

16:20

oh my God, all D'oron blew up. It

16:23

seems like nowadays forced

16:25

sensing is a lot more

16:28

focused than it was back in the day.

16:32

Have we ever talked about hardware wars on the

16:34

show together? I forget if we have or not. It's

16:36

come up a lot, but I'm sure. Always

16:38

happy to return to hardware wars.

16:41

One of my single favorite gags, Matt, in

16:43

that thing was they

16:45

have their Obi-Wan character start

16:48

putting

16:48

his head to his hand and then

16:51

the Luke character is like, what is it? What is it? Is it

16:53

as if thousands of voices were screaming

16:55

out in terror and were suddenly silenced? Then their Obi-Wan

16:57

guy goes, no, just a little bit of a headache.

17:04

See, now they use the force to heal that.

17:06

The show wouldn't work

17:08

anymore. Yeah,

17:15

I think maybe if Obi-Wan had a connection,

17:17

like if there was somebody he was, like if his Padawan

17:21

or whatever was on Aldoran,

17:24

Alan Aldoran, and

17:27

it blew up, then he would

17:29

be able to be like, oh, so and so is dead

17:32

and also other

17:34

people. I think

17:37

because they're in hyperspace and

17:40

because he doesn't have

17:43

a tight connection with anybody, it's just kind of like, I'm

17:45

getting weird, okay. Wait

17:48

till I get better reception and I can give you more

17:50

detail. What

17:53

is it? Wait, who died? Who's like me talking

17:55

to my mom while I'm driving in the car? No,

17:57

I don't remember them. Who died? Bad news, everyone. Alan

18:00

Alda died. What else

18:03

do you know Ben? I'm in

18:05

airplane mode at the moment. I can't tell

18:07

you more. Dela

18:10

Gana seems to be trending. I'm not sure why. Hang on.

18:12

I'm trying to find the original. So

18:16

are we counting this as a death of Rey right here?

18:19

Are we counting this as Rey as the

18:23

third death? Well

18:26

first, before she dies, I do

18:28

love, she's got like a Veronica

18:30

Sawyer moment where like the smoke

18:32

clears and you see she's all like must up and

18:35

kind of like somebody's hammed a little bit and I really

18:37

expected her to just pull out a cigarette and like walk

18:39

down the steps. I'm

18:45

calling it as a death. She seems dead.

18:48

Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think

18:50

she is. Yeah. Great.

18:53

I think it was Christian Slater

18:55

and they think of Christian Slater as Palpatine.

18:57

We're going to recast the Rise of Skywalker and

18:59

others. Wait till they get a load of me.

19:02

Ah,

19:04

Dyad. Oh, Dyad.

19:10

Yeah, I can't believe they killed her off though.

19:13

There you go. Never to be seen again. Yeah.

19:16

Rey. So long, Rey. It's

19:18

a shame about her. She

19:26

was the original. I'm trying to

19:28

look, I'm trying to see what exactly how

19:30

exactly they describe this. In

19:36

the expanded edition of Star Wars Episode IX

19:38

of Rise of Skywalker by New York Times Best

19:45

Sound author Ray Carson. But

19:50

it basically just

19:52

says like she flopped in a way. What

19:55

is it? That's not

19:57

a very dignified

19:59

way to say it. described the death of him. She

20:04

hears the clink of her lightsaber sitting in the ground. When had

20:06

she let go of them? She reached for the force one

20:08

last time. And then the

20:10

song played. Some of her friends were

20:13

surely, that's one more time, I'm sorry. Some

20:15

of her friends were surely still up there somewhere. She

20:17

sent Finn and Janna, giving

20:21

absolutely everything was no big deal at all compared

20:23

to saving her friends. She

20:26

reached for Ben too, but her legs

20:28

gave out and she crumpled to the ground. And

20:32

then, let's see, when Ben

20:34

makes it to her, I don't know how much, spoiler

20:37

alert, sorry. We're gonna see Ben. Kenobi?

20:41

He's here? Where is he? I

20:45

know, Augie, Ben, Augie. I know, Augie, Ben.

20:47

Augie, venerable, venerable

20:50

member of the Red Eye Knights. Let's not do

20:52

hardware wars because we're gonna have to do a whole bunch

20:54

of other minutes. That

20:57

thing memorized as a kid. We

20:59

should do hardware war minutes. That'll be our next.

21:01

Yeah, that's like, isn't it only like eight minutes long

21:03

or something like that? Perfect. Yeah, perfect.

21:06

The minute starts with Chinchilla

21:08

the Wookie Monster trying to eat Princess Leia's

21:10

hair and it ends with an iron shooting

21:13

lasers at a waffle

21:15

maker. Look at that, we've already got a guest

21:17

who knows the stuff. This project

21:19

is cloning itself. Well,

21:25

so Rey is dead. Um,

21:28

the- I don't think I'm doing it myself. Lando

21:32

has saved Janna and Finn from

21:34

their crashing ship. And

21:39

that's pretty much it. All I had for 122. Do

21:42

you guys have anything else specific to this? No, I guess

21:44

Janna's like the consolation prize for Rey, for

21:47

Finn. Well, Rey's dead.

21:49

At least I got this new girl now. Kind of works out for him.

21:52

Right,

21:53

right. I met somebody new. Yeah.

21:56

I like, I like, I like

21:58

Rey's boots. Should mention that.

21:59

as well. They were cute little boots.

22:01

They were fashionable. They

22:04

were fashionable little boots. Imagine she went to

22:06

the space

22:08

mall and found them

22:11

in the space mall. They were cute. In

22:13

the space mall catalog while she was flying from planet

22:15

to planet. She was like, ooh, let's do it.

22:18

In previous seasons, I've asked guests like

22:21

to pick out their favorite Leia outfits

22:23

and stuff like that, but Rey's outfits are all kind

22:25

of similar. You know what I mean? They're all kind of... They're all

22:27

the same. Bandages around her arm,

22:30

bear kind of shoulders, long,

22:32

you know what I mean? Vaguely, um,

22:35

too Nick. Japanese looking. A little bit different

22:37

shades of... Pittsburgh

22:40

appropriate. Different shades of beige. Here

22:42

you go. Some

22:46

mix a little gray in there. Yeah. That's

22:49

your name in the Mad Magazine parody. I'm sure they

22:51

haven't done it yet. I

22:54

kind of feel that I

22:56

like Rey's character. I hope that

22:58

if I

22:59

provided she returns from the dead, that

23:02

we get to see more of her in the Star

23:04

Wars universe. But like, one

23:06

of those things I really liked about her was talking

23:08

back to Force Awakens was like her being

23:10

a rebellion fangirl,

23:14

like putting on the X-Wing helmet and stuff

23:16

like that. Like, it would

23:18

have been really kind of fun to see her sort

23:20

of in awe of more in awe of her

23:22

space adventures. I

23:24

don't think we had enough of that

23:26

from her.

23:27

She matures pretty quick. She goes from being

23:30

like in awe to being the wise master

23:33

pretty soon.

23:35

She got grossed up pretty quick in these movies.

23:41

She should have been like pointing at the other like maybe

23:43

while she was lying down a couple of minutes ago just staring up

23:45

into the sky. She should have been like, oh look,

23:47

that's a classic Star Destroyer

23:49

design. She should always

23:52

be pointing out things that she's never seen before. You

23:54

know, like, right? I've never seen a cactus

23:56

before. Cactus. I think the one thing that

23:58

would

23:59

I saw it after minute 122.

24:11

Good note to go out on. Greg,

24:15

real quick, did you, you

24:17

know, you mentioned that

24:20

you have some things that you like about this movie, but overall,

24:23

not your favorite. Did you see it in the theater when

24:26

it came out? If so, where? I

24:28

saw it opening night and

24:33

I

24:35

was pretty spoiled for it. Like

24:38

I was reading Star Wars leaks on

24:40

Reddit, I think at that point to follow

24:43

along with what this movie was going to end up being. And

24:45

then the plot leaks there, I

24:47

think a few weeks before the movie came

24:49

out.

24:50

So I was prepared for

24:53

what it could be, although none of us really knew if

24:55

that's going to be what it was. And

24:58

the leaks are pretty on

25:00

target. Yeah, that's what it was.

25:03

Now this movie, look, I work for

25:05

Disney. Movie's great.

25:09

Movie's not my favorite. Not

25:14

even in a, you know,

25:17

you can still watch it for goofy

25:19

kicks way like you can with some of the prequels.

25:22

I find this movie to be really

25:25

boring and over-raught

25:30

and unsuccessful.

25:32

And obviously part

25:34

of that is the movie

25:38

that we probably all had in our heads that

25:40

we'd like to see finish off the sequel trilogy.

25:43

And then this movie wasn't that, and

25:45

I really admit that that's probably

25:48

poisoning the well for me a little bit in my enjoyment

25:50

of the film.

25:51

But also it's just

25:53

not good, is the main problem

25:55

with it.

25:58

The corner

26:00

that they kind of painted themselves in with the previous

26:02

two plot wives and then also just

26:04

the weight of everybody's expectations There's no

26:06

way that this movie could have been successful

26:09

Um, yeah,

26:11

I don't think I mean I I can't imagine what

26:13

it would have to be in order to be There

26:15

are very few trilogies that managed to pull

26:17

off They'll

26:18

stick the landing having all three

26:20

great films, you know The

26:23

third one tends to be the one that kind of is the weakest

26:25

of the three

26:28

But I also agree with the idea that like bringing

26:30

back palpatine is such a it's such a cell phone

26:32

because like It it

26:34

does impact the end of jedi

26:37

return of

26:39

and um

26:40

and return of the

26:42

And and it's just kind of a bummer

26:44

Like I understand the idea of making him the big

26:47

bad and you want him to be the the final boss

26:49

and all that other stuff but like

26:51

You didn't have to like you had set up kylo

26:53

to be

26:54

a really fascinating character for two

26:56

movies and you could have

26:58

Seen that all the way through while also finishing

27:00

off the first order stuff and not had done this

27:02

and and also it has that

27:05

that that um the

27:07

terrible symptom of sequelitis

27:09

of like Bigger bad beggar badder

27:12

And we already saw a little bit of that force awakens

27:14

where it's like what if death star but a planet

27:16

and now it's what If death star but

27:19

all of the star destroyers nothing,

27:21

but that's like It's

27:24

just dumb. It's a stupid dumb and

27:26

uh, and I didn't I didn't like

27:28

it and so and it's a bummer

27:30

because like again every star wars movie Good

27:33

bad or otherwise every star wars show

27:35

good bad or otherwise, maybe not boba fed. Um

27:38

has rewatchability Because

27:41

there's some like quirky weirdness

27:43

to it or fun to it

27:45

and this one is just like

27:47

It's a slog and and maybe

27:49

there are like three moments you want to

27:51

revisit

27:52

And that's about it

27:54

You've held that way right from the start from the first time you saw

27:57

it or did you have like a honeymoon period where you convinced

27:59

yourself? But you liked it more than you have since.

28:03

No, no, I actively disliked it

28:05

while I was watching it. It just did

28:07

not come together at all. You

28:09

know,

28:11

there were times, I remember seeing the theater being just like, why are

28:13

we doing this?

28:16

What is this? Why that?

28:18

Wayfinder?

28:21

It's where? No,

28:24

none of you are watching it with Bob Mueller.

28:26

Yeah, none of it was good.

28:28

It introduced all of these things

28:31

that didn't lead anywhere. There

28:33

was a

28:34

person who murdered Ray's parents

28:36

and the ship was on the thing

28:38

and there's a...

28:39

What? Let's turn it around. What

28:41

are your three favorite things? Those are three

28:44

things you like about the movie. Even

28:46

I can do that. Well,

28:48

I mentioned on the previous show that, the previous minute

28:51

that I wrote, it's

28:56

on the PuckSoup Patreon,

28:58

five things I actually liked about The Rise of

29:00

Skywalker. And the

29:02

subtitle was, After My Second and a Potentially

29:05

Final Viewing. Because I did watch it

29:07

again at home.

29:08

And the five things were Exegol,

29:11

which I extolled the virtues of last episode.

29:14

I was excited that Jodie Comer

29:16

was in the movie for two seconds because

29:18

I was really a big fan of Killing Eve.

29:22

Mrs. Clone. The clone of Mrs.

29:24

Palpatine Clone. Right?

29:27

She's the mother of a great mother. Right.

29:30

I was happy that Dominic Monaghan

29:33

had such a silly scene where he talks

29:35

about the secrets of the Sith. The

29:39

Wayfinder itself, I thought, was really

29:41

a great MacGuffin.

29:48

Ponside, like a thing that... You

30:00

plug into your vehicle and then

30:02

it does something. And then

30:05

like, my favorite character, I think,

30:07

of the sequel trilogy outside of Kylo

30:10

was Poe.

30:11

And Poe had a lot to do here.

30:14

And there was actual attempts at character development

30:16

with him and like

30:18

Mandalorian, Carrie Russell, and like

30:20

all that other stuff. Like there was, I don't

30:23

know, I liked hanging out with that Oscar Isaac

30:25

for a little bit too.

30:27

Everything else stuck. But the Ben

30:30

Solo stuff's good. There's just

30:32

not enough of it. It happened way too late. Again,

30:37

like it is one of those cinematic

30:40

experiences where if you gave

30:42

me

30:44

Zack Snyder, Justice

30:46

League, Snyder Cut Money,

30:48

and a scalpel,

30:50

and Final Cut Pro,

30:54

I'd love to be able to figure out how to make a better

30:56

movie. Head to Costa Rica and we'd never hear from you again.

31:01

That's right. That's exactly right. As soon

31:03

as I got that, I see that money at my account. I'm like,

31:05

so long, suckers. Enjoy your rides with Skywalker. The way

31:07

it was always intended. Okay,

31:11

interfere with the artist vision.

31:16

Yeah, so I, for

31:18

the most part, I do like this movie. Not

31:21

the end, not this like last act,

31:24

but for the first two thirds of it, I like it. I

31:26

think it's goofy fun. But once

31:28

he said it, it kind of unlocked something. I'm like, wait

31:30

a minute. I think that's the thing. I think, I

31:32

mean, as much as I defend the choice of like,

31:35

somehow Palpatine returned, we don't have to know

31:37

why yet. Great, sure. But

31:41

I think it would have been better without him totally. If you just

31:44

not replace him with another spooky

31:47

big bag, I just have it be Kylo Ren and have, basically

31:50

instead of this big wizard battle at the end,

31:54

if you just move that theme that she has, the duel

31:56

that she has with Kylo Ren on the wreckage

31:59

of the Death Star, or Death Star 2, yeah.

32:03

Yeah. Move that battle to Exegol and

32:05

then she wins and like heals him

32:08

or you

32:10

know work it out somehow with that that it's like

32:12

you know similar kind of moment where it's like oh

32:14

they have their reconciliation at

32:17

the end maybe like he gets you

32:19

know he gets run through and then that's when Leia

32:22

appears to him or Luca I mean Han appears

32:24

to him rather.

32:26

That would be more satisfying

32:29

probably but

32:30

like what was it yeah sorry good simple thing remove

32:34

the Emperor and that that kind of big bad from the whole

32:37

equation. Keep Exegol, keep the

32:39

ghost fleet like the dreadnought fleet from

32:41

the Zahn novel like that's a that's a really cool concept

32:44

don't give them all Death Star lasers that's stupid.

32:47

But keep the keep the ghost fleet

32:49

have the first order searching for it to you

32:51

know be able to create their giant final

32:53

assault on the rebels

32:55

and then eventually like

32:57

have the turn you know have the Ben Solo turn

32:59

and have him and Rey team up to

33:02

finally take out the first order and then

33:04

just have them die like you still have them die but

33:07

that's fine by me if you wanted to do that I mean he is

33:09

a space Nazi. You can't. I'm

33:12

against him being redeemed.

33:14

I'm against him being redeemed. Yeah like Disney would never do that they would never

33:16

have a character like that and just have them die

33:19

Are you against him ever

33:22

like the moments in which

33:24

he at the end has come to grips

33:27

with who he is and he's he's doing little

33:29

Han movement to this bit his body and like

33:31

he smiles at the end like those are really

33:34

lovely moments but but I think

33:36

I think the way the movie handled it

33:38

one they did it too late but

33:40

the way they handled it with like

33:43

him being

33:44

that person but also not surviving

33:47

the film I think is the right move as much as it

33:49

pissed off tumblr.

33:53

I couldn't even think of anything for him to say in the last

33:55

third of the movie and then what they're gonna have them live on after

33:58

that we wouldn't say anything.

33:59

We'll get there. So would you just have him

34:02

never redeemed at all Alex? Which you have him never

34:04

like find I would have died it would be it would be

34:06

try to be like tragic It wouldn't be like yeah, we're

34:08

glad we killed him He would die as a result

34:10

of his own hubris or something like that I wouldn't necessarily

34:13

mean Ray has to kill him It could be you know

34:15

he has right how many things is gonna make him super powerful

34:17

and it winds up killing him or whatever but

34:20

because I feel like also the

34:22

whole thing with the dark side is it's

34:25

You know if everyone can just do it

34:27

and then get redeemed and then you know You can do whatever

34:29

horrors you want while you're on the dark

34:31

side and then you're suddenly like oh now I'm I'm Did

34:34

one nice act so I'm redeemed and therefore I'm

34:36

not responsible for all these killings I did

34:39

prior to my redemption It's

34:41

just kind of like

34:43

weak, but you

34:45

know in

34:47

my life

34:49

Give him his like I have the high ground

34:52

Anakin moment where his hubris

34:54

is the end of them You know and and his

34:56

ego is the end of him like yeah, that'd be great

34:59

And have him, you know beyond like kind of walking

35:01

the line a little bit have it be tempted by the light side

35:04

But then oh, yeah, it's definitely

35:06

hardcore like in there, but yeah

35:08

Yeah,

35:10

oh and then here I will the two hours

35:12

before that Make a

35:14

good movie It doesn't

35:17

Make me feel terrible about everything

35:20

I think that should be in the number one on the list frankly

35:22

if you're gonna change things that should be the number one

35:25

Anyone make a good movie Yeah,

35:29

we got to save some of this vamping because not much happens

35:31

tomorrow But good can you come back tomorrow

35:33

talk about not much happening? I mean with

35:36

a with a setup like that. How do I

35:38

not? I know

35:40

it's tempting But

35:43

yeah, if you Alice mentioned

35:45

our patreon one of the benefits to the perks

35:47

of the patreon supporter against is talking to us on

35:49

our discord server If you want to actually

35:52

talk with us about episodes you can do that on

35:54

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35:56

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35:59

in the in the big of

36:00

things. There are still some social

36:02

media platforms, I'm assuming by this point.

36:04

Who knows?