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I'm Alex Robinson from alexrobinson.fun.

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I'm Pete the Retailer from petetheretailer.com.

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I'm Dan Telfer from Lil Debbie's Snack Cakes.

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you. Thanks

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Dan for returning to the program to discuss

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Minute 129, right? Correct? 129 of

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The Rise of Skywalker.

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Minute 129 starts off with Poe

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and Finn pointing at each other. They're not mad,

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they're just pointing. And it

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ends a minute later with a bloody

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and battered Rey pushing her way through a crowd

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of joyous freedom fighters.

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Yeah, so I'm going to... This

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takes a lot of reading into and we're not going to

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give them the benefit of the doubt but it is interesting that it's

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like Poe's celebration

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arc here is that he goes up to his ex-girlfriend

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and is like, hmm? She's like, no. And he's like, all right.

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And then he goes and he finds Finn and is just like, you,

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I'll hug.

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And so it's, you know.

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There's still a glimmer of hope for

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the Stormpilot fans.

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The first time I saw this movie me and a couple of friends,

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as soon as they pointed at each other we went kiss, kiss,

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kiss, kiss. Especially because we just had the

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gay kiss right before this and it was like aahhh. It

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is a little Freudian that they both point at each

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other. That's a little bit kind of like, you

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know, a little finger sword fight. Subtle.

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Yeah. So,

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yes. So all the Foe-pin,

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Foe-pin, Foe and Finn. All

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those people who wanted to see them together. No

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luck. It's pronounced Fuh.

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Hmm. do see a tier 4 reunion

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between R2D2 and C3PO?

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Yes. Careful. Well

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I was tearful. Let's put it that way. Oily. An

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oily reunion. Yeah. And

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they had just had to have been intentional.

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I don't know if you noticed but C3PO says, did

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you hear that when Rey's next wing is coming

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down? That's of course the first line in Star

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Wars is C3PO saying, did you

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hear that? So I gotta give him a little bit of

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credit for that one. Somebody put the work in. Yeah.

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I was... if not for

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the... and

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if not for the Tatooine

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Coda here. That could be

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the last line of this.

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Yeah. Which would have been a funny

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kind of like... it's like

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poetry. It rhymes. Yeah. That's what

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you should have said. Skywalker. Did you

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hear that? Although it should have. Yeah. But

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that also would have been more like if they

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surprisingly hadn't

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lost the Tatooine before. Blackade

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Runner hadn't been blown up and they're all celebrating

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and then they're like, wait a minute, do you hear that? And then that shows up and

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they're like,

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hey! Then that could have been a good because that's the ship

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that he's on when he says that.

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But yeah.

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Regardless. There's more

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hugging, more meeting up. He says, did you

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hear that? And then a Star Destroyer is overhead.

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And then he nukes everybody. And

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then you're looking up in the window, it's Bob Mufrick

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driving the Star Destroyer. And everyone's like, aww!

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But then he zaps them all with the Death Star leaves. And you're like,

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aww! Bob Mufrick! Dan,

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did you like Bob Mufrick? You didn't have any

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Bob Mufrick minutes, but... Bob Mufrick's fine.

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Fine. I think it's fine. What

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if... what if it was slightly more polite,

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slightly scrum? Fine. Go ahead.

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Like I said in my first minute, I just think there's too many

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new characters I'm supposed

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to have a reaction to. I wanted

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to... I wanted an adventure. I wanted a plot

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and there just wasn't one and I got real bummed at

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this point So you could bring Bob a frick.

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I is at this point fair

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enough, but yeah that plot didn't

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make sense to me and

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As just like a choice and so

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whatever

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Bob a fricks fun

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Yeah

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We do

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so in the Red

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that what C3PO hears

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He's is ray showing up red

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five standing by red

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five lands

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And They

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do we get that? Do

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they all three of them meet up yet in this or is

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that in the next minute? It's the next minute.

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Yeah. All right, this you've only see her at the tail end where

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she starts walking. She's about to make eyeshadow Why

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was she so late at the at

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the end of that minute you saw her leaving with the Falcon

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and Poe and The and then they

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all leave here and now they're out they the Falcon

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and Sin have all landed and

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yet ray shows up like 10 minutes later.

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Did you have to stop for someone

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stop somewhere? Probably

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or did she just wait cuz she wanted to make an entrance

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She's just rolling around like okay now that

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everyone's party and that's when you this isn't the funny

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answer So apologies to fans of

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comedy, but she but

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like she just had this inexplicable

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like moment where This

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dude has been trying to murder her for two

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years became the love of her life and then died

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Maybe she needed a minute maybe she was having

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like a Like a like a Jedi

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funeral rights moment with them or so

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she just flew around an extra long time just to

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it It makes it extra confusing that thing you're

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saying I'm from the novelization Pete Like

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she's like and then it was like the dyad

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made them one But it was okay that part

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of the dyad died even though it was a once in

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a millennium sort of situation

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And then her soulmate and the sacrifice,

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they felt good. You know, that's kind of like,

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she's coming here, her boyfriend of two

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minutes died. He

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disintegrated when she kissed him, you

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know? And like, now it's like,

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okay, well, I'm happy to see my friends, whatever.

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Maybe that's why she's late. She needed a minute. She's

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like, all right, well, gotta pretend my boyfriend's not dead.

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Don't want to have to explain to anybody. I

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just made out with a genocider, so

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I guess I'm gonna take a minute in the X-ray

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to be like, all right, all right, hype yourself up, hype

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yourself up.

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She had to pull over and update

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her status, too, it's complicated. Yeah.

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Social media, hard

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for even a Jedi. Well,

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before Rey does show

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up, during

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the fan and Poe having

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a moment, they

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get, Poe says, Poe

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found him, though the pilot had been celebrating

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along with everyone else, Finn sensed some hesitation.

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Hmm, force powers again. General

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Leia, no, Finn, well, yeah, Finn sensed hesitation

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in Poe. General

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Leia thought they'd destroy the Emperor at the Battle of Endor,

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Poe said, but he came back more powerful than ever. Really?

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You think he might come back again,

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said Finn.

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Maybe, said Poe, staring

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off in Zoria's direction. I'm sure we will, honey, I'm

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sure we will. Of course Poe would

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worry about that. He was acting general now, and like any

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good general, he was anticipating

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what fight still lay ahead. Or

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some other evil will rise, evil always rises.

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Let's keep our options open. Yeah. Yeah.

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Let's not commit to anything. Nah,

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says Finn, not for a long time, anyway.

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Poe, game of- I think eventually,

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he's gonna show up and it's gonna be like Indiana Jones shooting

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that swordsman, just going, all right, let's

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just kill him and get rid of him. You

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know, they keep showing. Yeah, like with the left sheet nose,

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like on a stick, you know? Like, you really just...

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there's not a lot of him left. Maybe.

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Maybe he'll come back. Don't get me wrong. What General

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Leia did with Solo and Skywalker was incredible,

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Finn explained. Heroic and brave, but it was

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just one small group against incredible odds. Poe

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began to smile and says, we're not just one small group.

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The Resistance is a million people, a thousand places.

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Yeah, General Leia... General Leia united

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a whole galaxy. This time it's for real. Poe's

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grin became huge and Finn wrapped his friend in a

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hug. Does

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Poe not realize they're not part of the Resistance anymore?

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Because there's no... they're not resisting anything anymore.

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You get decommissioned after this point. Also, doesn't

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it kind of undermine the fact that you said you never know?

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Ultimate Evil might come back. But this time it's

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for real. Yeah, right. I

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think we can rest easy knowing that evil is

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totally vanquished now. The

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other times they forgot and they underestimated

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it, but now... Previously it wasn't

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for real. Now it's for real. Will the same

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thing happen again? Yes, but... but...

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But yeah, it's interesting that also, like, that

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they're so like, oh, General Leia did this. Remember when

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General Leia called that lady? And nobody

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answered. When Lando went and got people,

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that's when they said that. But yeah, sure, give it

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to Leia.

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I predict in the next movie,

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Poe is going to be, like, obsessed with the fact

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that... He's like, I know that

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Palpatine's over in that next galaxy and we have

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to do something to stop him because he's going to come back

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and attack us and they're all going to be like, oh, Poe, you're crazy.

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You know, long gone. And then...

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It's like, shall I say, all the...

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Yeah, of course.

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Well, speaking of Lando, we get a little Lando

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family reunion question mark. All right,

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well, OK, that's the... So, OK,

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there's two camps. I'm

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kind of a third. The two main camps

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are, is Lando hitting on this lady or

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is Lando thinking it's his daughter?

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And then the... I'm kind of in the third camp. It's

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just a poorly directed moment

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that...

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meant to imply Lando wants to go on

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an adventure with a young person and help him out.

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That's but I think it's so poorly

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spaced and timed and I don't think it's the fault of either

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actor it's just like okay so is

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Lando like the creepiest

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old man ever or

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is he

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like such the

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kindest old man ever. He had so many illegitimate

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children this could be what like it's like that

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is what you assume because of the weird pauses

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and looks.

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That is I think you're right the

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third option is the original

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intent in that

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it's supposed to be because he has

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a couple of

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moments at least in the in the

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book and the expanded edition you know Star Wars

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Rise of Skywalker by best-selling

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New York Times best-selling author Ray Carson. He's

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had a couple of moments where he's like I had a daughter

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and she was taken from me and

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so you think that it's maybe like oh is

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this his daughter but then it's not like

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it doesn't play into that

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it plays like he has a little internal monologue

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where he's just like yeah like seems like it's

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over but like so that's good

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because no you know no kids are ever gonna get

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taken ever again but still let's get these

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there's a bunch of kids here who were taken who could

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let's find them their families and it's basically like

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Lando goes on a crusade to

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bring all these ex-stormtroopers

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or whoever back to their family.

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It's like the Lando and Janna adventures where they

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go kind of like find people reunite

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people with their families which sounds like a cool setup for a thing

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totally not important there's no totally

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no inkling of that in the movie

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as appears on screen. The dialogue was

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written by AI basically. Yeah it

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shows up either it does feel

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either one or the other either like it's

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cornball that he's was like I had a daughter about

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your age like but

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or the

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part of what made me

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makes it weird and again it's not...

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The music behind it. The music behind

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it. I have a hard time noticing the music. But here

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I'm watching and I'm like, wait a minute. What is

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that? Is that? And I had to go look it up to figure

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out like, wait, I know this music and it's

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the Luke and Leia theme

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from Return of the Jedi. A

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family. I guess so.

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Is that what we're trying to convey here? I'm

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trying to say there's that level of connection. And

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I feel like a better dialogue writer

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could have made this good. But

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this whole sequence, most of this

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movie, it's just this dialogue that's

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like, alright, sweeping string instruments

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in the background and now these characters will

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declare as bluntly as possible

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what you should be able to tell by simply

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looking at the screen. And I

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think there could have been a line where they could have given

12:52

Lando just a little more realistic

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where he... Yeah, it could have sounded

12:56

corny, but I would have loved if

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they took a risk with it and had Lando be like, oh,

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I want to know what system you're from because I

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had a daughter once. Different system. Let's

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go find your family. You know, like if they gave

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him a line that tied

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it together, it would have

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been something you could try to empathize

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with or try to invest in. And this just

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feels sort of like, if he knew what happened,

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you know, you kind of left with this.

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OK, they wanted to give Billy Dee Williams a moment.

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They didn't want to spend any time writing it. They

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have a new character, this young black

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woman. They want to do some justice to let's

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just slop it in with this montage of nonsense

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with romantic strings in the background.

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I said this a little bit when

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we met

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Lando earlier. And he has a line where

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they're going back to... you know,

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the gang is leaving

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to continue their adventure. And he was like, hey, do

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me a favor, like,

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give Leia my love. And like, Billy

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Dee Williams just naturally has a certain...

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Helps like yeah, like that's that's what

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you do it his Delivery

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and it's not you know, it's not he's not

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trying to be creepy about it. But just like

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he has a certain That's why it's kind of

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really direct to the tea. Yeah, exactly. Why

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do I blame him? It

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you be his natural delivery is

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is good But like when you frame it in a certain way, it

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makes it seem like that's kind of creepy like

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Then and then here well then

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it is funny cuz then raises again. You can give

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it to yourself.

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But here it's like You

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know an extra Like

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when we don't have any background we don't know You know,

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like we're not sure what this scene is supposed to

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do other than like we've got his

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Reading which makes it sound like well, why don't we

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find out like coupled with

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the the sweeping strings of like the Luke and

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Leia music It's like what am I supposed to feel here? I don't

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even know. I try to do I feel reaction

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is also her reaction It's like you can't quite

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tell if she's like, oh, I'm

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How flattering this general hitting on me

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or is it like is this my father She's

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a she's a little more of a I don't

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want to say talented but versatile actor Right

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because I think if you really look at her I

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can read that she's trying to make

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clear What is meant to happen in the script? She's

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trying to go like What are

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you saying to me? You would do that

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for me. I feel both seen and Excited,

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you know, like she's got that look of just sort of like

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relief and and pleasant

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Unsexual happiness and and

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I do think if they had leaned into Billy

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Dee Williams's strengths of dialogue. I mean, I'm also

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pretending I'm an amazing writer. I'm Fantasizing

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give me give me a job But um,

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I feel like they could have just given him a line where

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he's lamenting horniness past or he's

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like Oh, like what sister me from? Ah,

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damn. My daughter was from the blank system

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well

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The reason I ask is I just I've always

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wanted to search let's start with you like like

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This is thinking about the

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way he used to constantly swing

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his **** around and hit every alien in

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the galaxy. They acknowledge

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it, I don't know, play to it, but they

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really tried to be too efficient

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with the dialogue.

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Just blunt statements.

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Where are you from? Here. There? Let's go! That

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doesn't give you anything. I

16:21

feel like it's also kind of strange because I assumed

16:24

they would introduce Janna to be kind of Finn's

16:26

consolation prize for not getting... Yeah,

16:28

there's... It's so sloppy. It's so sloppy.

16:31

They don't ever have any scene where they reconcile their...

16:33

No. They discuss, they turn... Finn and the

16:35

little **** dog just runs around. Yeah.

16:38

You know what I mean? It's like, oh, we got this other character

16:40

that you can interact

16:42

with that. It's like, nope.

16:47

Yeah.

16:50

Naomi Aki, the name of the actress who plays Janna,

16:53

she was born in 1991, eight years after

16:56

Return of the Jedi. Damn. And that's

16:58

the definition of the age

17:00

differential there. Big. But even then,

17:03

so if she is his daughter, that means he had the daughter

17:05

after the events of Return of

17:07

the Jedi. I would assume any illegitimate

17:09

children would be pre-Return of the

17:11

Jedi. Yeah. That means he was sewing his wild midi-chlorians

17:14

for a solid like 30 years. The

17:16

parties after they follow the Empire? Man.

17:20

I think, yeah. Once the rebellion

17:23

became the New Republic, I think a lot of the

17:26

field generals were just kind of like, all right, we don't really

17:28

need you as much. Who promoted you for

17:30

what reason? A nap? No,

17:32

you can... You know Lando used his

17:35

authority. He abused it so bad,

17:37

just

17:38

he would go to Nine Nums Planet and just be like,

17:40

hey, nice lips, solace-ian.

17:45

They should have shown Lando

17:48

reacting to the death of Nine Nun the

17:50

way it's true. Yeah. To the

17:52

death of Princess Leia. It's like, no. There's

17:54

too much going on. I

17:57

really would have loved if they would have gone... simpler

18:01

places with all of this you know we already like first

18:03

wheel out Loba you know what I mean you

18:05

be like you'd be like Pike exactly

18:08

well does anyone

18:13

have anything else to say about minute 129

18:16

before we that character should

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have been an older Enfith nest mmm

18:22

interesting yeah

18:26

I might change my name it all works

18:29

but idea of the timeline is all a blur

18:31

so I don't know is that make you

18:33

probably be in her late 50s

18:36

at that time boo my

18:38

idea that's working for Lando well then

18:40

I don't know have interest in a couple yeah right I

18:46

mean even she's in her 50s she's still 25 years

18:48

younger than Lando she could still be his long-lost daughter

18:50

here's my thoughts do I don't like having all

18:53

that anyway go ahead go ahead

18:55

so I was gonna say here's my idea just do Star Wars

18:57

different oh yeah well oh

18:59

wow yeah

19:03

I know I just said I don't notice the music much but I also

19:05

like that we got a little throwback of raised

19:07

theme when she comes she

19:10

comes up flat you know see through

19:12

business you hear that and assuming segment her music

19:14

because she's blasting ray his themes like did he did he

19:16

did he did as she drive her a I love

19:18

her music yeah he's great and so it's

19:21

it's fun to hear her theme as she comes back and

19:23

and you know she gets that kind of like and

19:26

we don't know yet but we're spending the rest of the movie with her basically

19:29

but

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yeah nice

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little throwback

19:35

and it's fun when I do notice the

19:37

music fun for me man I don't not

19:39

be fun for anybody else you know it's

19:42

usually pretty good when I know to do you know yeah well

19:45

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