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Welcome to Star Wars Minute. This

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1:02

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1:05

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1:08

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1:12

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1:21

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1:23

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1:26

also of Anarchy the Improvised Rock

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1:29

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1:31

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1:35

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1:44

I'm doing that too. Exactly. We're

1:47

very good. Well

1:51

we know that by now because you've been with us all week. We're

1:53

happy you are coming back to talk about

1:55

minute number 135. Minute 135 starts off with

1:57

a.

1:59

Thank you to William December

2:02

Williams It ends a minute later

2:04

with a tip of the hat to Lucasfilm post-production

2:07

genius Mike Blanchard

2:09

So yes,

2:12

the credits continue to roll on. Yes Go

2:18

ahead we've got a music shift Mmm.

2:21

Oh So this

2:23

one is called After Billy

2:25

Dee Williams, we've got a shift to what it's called is

2:27

the anthem of evil Yeah

2:35

The friendship motif is out the door it's

2:37

evil time one thing

2:40

leads to and that that pops

2:42

up right around the same time as the JJ's

2:45

friends section of the credits. Oh,

2:47

I wonder if that's a little little hmm

2:50

kind of poke at them And

2:53

then music shifts again

2:55

Once the rolling credits starts like when

2:58

it starts going like the top bottom

3:00

We get into the Imperial March. No,

3:03

no, that's not that's not true. The Imperial March starts later

3:07

Anthem of evil starts at the rolling credits. That's

3:09

when it starts. I misread my notes. So

3:12

he plans it's not

3:14

Yeah

3:15

So JJ's friends still have the motif

3:17

the friendship motif. So maybe that's what it is. Oh,

3:20

okay That's why it's friends. Yeah. Yeah

3:23

friends first Yeah So

3:26

that's the day the Imperial March kind of threw

3:28

me a little I Maybe

3:31

they use it at some point. I don't remember really but

3:33

well, there's no Empire in this movie. Yeah,

3:35

right. Yeah, it's kind of confusing It's like, you

3:37

know, they should play You

3:40

know Yoda theme resistance

3:44

Something Just

3:46

be a greatest hit in Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah,

3:49

so with the princess asteroid field.

3:51

Well, we did It makes

3:53

sense. We did get them but this is

3:55

not when we heard remember a while ago when we saw

3:57

Lando talking to Janna

4:00

with the scanner that They

4:03

played Luke and Leia's theme from return

4:05

of the Jedi while they were talking for some reason which

4:08

Seems like an odd choice unless yeah

4:10

unless they were underpinning that like oh these guys are

4:12

really related But

4:16

but yes interesting interesting

4:18

choices all around there's no Empire in this movie the first

4:20

order And you know they

4:23

could claim that song they probably do have the publishing

4:25

rights to that song so Yeah

4:30

I was pleased to see that in before

4:33

snap Wexley we get a credit for Shirley Henderson

4:36

who's of course yeah, yeah Babu Frick

4:39

I Looked it up I forgot that she

4:41

was in train spotting and yeah spotting

4:43

to which I've never heard I've never met anyone

4:46

who's seen Transplanting to and left unless one of

4:48

you guys has seen no no and

4:51

She's also as another Star Wars credit. She

4:53

also is the voice of the Azaleans and

4:55

the Mandalorian sure So

4:58

I was surprised to see that Rises Skywalker

5:01

is her IMDB first credit

5:04

Which was kind of right to me? I

5:06

would think moaning Myrtle would be more of a yeah

5:09

would be more of a thing, but Star Wars fans

5:11

right well That's a game. We've

5:13

played on our show before is Guessing

5:17

what people's IMDB credits are

5:19

because it kind of has no rhyme or reason

5:21

to it. Yeah Like sometimes

5:23

it's the most famous movie sometimes it's an Oscar-winning

5:26

movie sometimes It's like something very random

5:28

that doesn't make any sense. Yeah,

5:30

it's pretty fun. Yeah going back a couple

5:33

of minutes to Who

5:36

are you rehu? Who

5:39

are you rehu like that I

5:43

just flipped the page and and Fairbank like

5:45

was in you know like such long career

5:47

She was in stuff like you know I think like

5:49

a passage to India and all this other kind of prestige

5:51

stuff, but no her top thing is this is

5:54

The Rises Skywalker and so it's like

5:57

hey, I'm not sure how happy she is with that

6:00

But yeah I

6:03

feel like a bill hater thing again where i'd be

6:05

like i don't want no i've done

6:07

other things, right? Can you find this

6:09

picture of an old lady in the desert for me? No No,

6:12

I was in the crucible. Yeah, what could

6:14

you ever sign? That would be the yeah

6:19

Um

6:20

When you were looking something up, I thought you were looking

6:22

in the star wars rise of skywalker

6:25

expand edition and you're looking up

6:27

credits Yeah, no sadly.

6:29

I mean there are there's the acknowledgement in

6:32

your star wars rise in skywalker, uh expanded

6:34

edition by new york times by selling off the rate cards

6:37

and but Um, she

6:39

does thank you. JJ abrams from chris terry. Oh, so

6:42

right, um But after

6:44

she thinks um former guest of

6:46

the show jennifer heddle So there

6:49

you go. Very cool. Ben robit

6:51

gets a credit here JJ

6:53

abrams production company and I have here a list

6:56

of the five least To me

6:58

were the least five least known bad

7:00

robot properties Like

7:02

movies. I only limited to movies because I know he's done

7:04

some tv shows too. So tell me if you guys have seen any

7:07

of these Uh in chronological in release

7:09

order we're going joyride No,

7:12

nobody morning glory 2010 infinity

7:16

polar bear Sounds

7:19

intriguing Cool

7:22

like like a mock buster that they would

7:24

sell it like the 7-eleven like the dvd bin

7:27

infinity polar I thought it was like a marvel ripoff.

7:30

Yeah The

7:32

infinity polar bear, all right, they were

7:34

lord and

7:38

lu 22 2022 was lu lu 22 lu 22

7:44

i haven't even heard of most of those Yeah,

7:47

all the rest of them to their credit all

7:49

the rest of the things were things you've probably heard of mission

7:51

impossible star Tracks star wars

7:53

and so overall they have a pretty good track record.

7:56

I'm guessing some of these are like JJ

7:58

abrams friends who in a He's like, okay, I'll

8:00

be a producer on it. And you can, they're

8:02

the snap wetly of movies. Yeah.

8:05

It's very good to be a friend of JJ Abrams.

8:07

I'll say that at least. You can arrange

8:09

it. I would say like Adam Sandler,

8:12

JJ Abrams, like there's like one or two other

8:14

people that it's just like, if you're their friend,

8:16

you're set. You can do it. Wes Anderson.

8:19

Yeah, Wes Anderson. Yeah,

8:21

that's true. Cause

8:24

we get Greg Grunberg and Dominic Monaghan. And

8:31

those are the two like pals, right? That are like,

8:33

they're in everything JJ does, right? Those

8:37

are the two- Yeah, that correctly. Those are the

8:39

two wolves that picked over the carcass of

8:41

Kelly retrans dialogue. Yeah, right.

8:43

Yeah. Things for them to say. Need

8:47

to get rid of a lot of Kelly lines for those guys,

8:50

unfortunately probably. Yeah. And

8:54

what's her name in that batch too,

8:56

right? Yeah, Billy Lord. Billy

8:59

Lord is, yeah,

9:01

that's Carrie Fisher's daughter. And

9:03

Shirley Henderson, yeah. Shirley Henderson, yeah. We

9:05

didn't get, I

9:08

can't think of her name, Zori Bliss. Yeah,

9:11

she was- Oh, Carrie Russell. Carrie Russell. And

9:14

he just didn't comment on it, but. Yeah. He

9:16

was in the earlier block of names. Okay, I'm thinking of the

9:18

people that were only, specifically JJ

9:20

being like, oh, you want to be in my movie? Like that was-

9:23

Oh, right, right. Yeah, Carrie Russell,

9:25

Greg Grunberg and we

9:29

just said his name, Dominic Monahan. Yeah.

9:32

Yeah. I guess the movie could have been like

9:34

Star Wars, the rise of Skywalker, starring

9:36

Greg Grunberg, Kelly Russell and

9:39

Dominic Monahan, you know, and with

9:41

featured players, Daisy Ridley.

9:45

Yeah, you have to do that in a Don Pardo

9:47

voice though. Daisy,

9:50

I'm gonna leave my morning out.

9:54

I'm glad they did it. I feel like we've done enough Don Pardo.

9:59

I'm a podcast. If you guys ever need someone to do

10:01

Don Pardo, just call us up. All right. We're

10:04

here for you. I want someone who will do... I want someone

10:06

who will do... That

10:16

would be funny. That would be funny. Never not

10:18

funny. Yeah. Yeah. There

10:21

we go. Well, my next thing is about ILM. I have

10:23

a little bit of information about industrial

10:25

light and magic. Okay. Um...

10:31

Go ahead.

10:32

Okay. Well, also, as

10:34

much as we hate magic being in Star Wars, it was

10:37

there right from the very beginning. Oh, that's

10:39

true. Like, that magic. So, we can't really

10:41

complain. It was sort of a timeline of

10:43

firsts for...

10:47

You realize it's crazy. These are all firsts that

10:50

Lucasfilm, that

10:52

ILM invented.

10:55

The first thing they invented was Go

10:57

Motion to film the stop motion Tauntaun

10:59

in Empire Strikes Back, which I guess is subtly

11:01

different than stop motion.

11:04

Um... 1985, the first CGI character. Anyone

11:08

want to guess it?

11:10

Oh. Um...

11:12

Isn't it like a stained glass

11:15

knight? That is correct. The

11:17

stained glass knight in Young Sherlock Holmes.

11:20

Yeah. And the prequel to the

11:22

Robert Downey Jr. series. 1989, there

11:27

was a movie that was the first CGI

11:30

3D character to show emotion.

11:33

1989, anyone want to guess it? I've

11:36

come up with a quiz now, so it seems. Yeah.

11:40

So, you were the director?

11:42

Yeah. Okay.

11:43

Jimmy Cameron. I was going to guess, is it T-1000? I

11:47

was going to guess, is it T-1000? It's

11:51

the correct abyss. The

11:53

abyss is correct. I

11:56

just like the documentary about

11:58

spas and different. A. So.

12:01

Yeah. 1991, this

12:03

was the first partially CGI main

12:06

character. And that one

12:08

was T2. That's the... No.

12:11

Oh. Because I guess he was a live action person and

12:13

then would kind of transition into... Yeah.

12:16

Right. 1992 is when they

12:18

are listed as perfecting human

12:21

skin. I want to guess which movie...

12:23

In the lab. ...had the first CGI

12:25

human skin. This is

12:27

a movie I've not seen. It is directed by

12:29

Bobby Zemeckis. Hmm. I'm

12:33

not going to limb though and say they didn't perfect it in 1992.

12:36

Oh. Is it Death

12:38

Becomes Her? Death Becomes

12:40

Her, Mike Gosselin. Woo! That's

12:43

a point. Wow. 1994, another

12:47

Bobby Zemeckis joint that was

12:49

the first time they were able to successfully

12:51

mix in archival footage with

12:54

new filmed footage. Was

12:58

that... Seamlessly... Was

13:00

that the aforementioned... What's

13:02

it called? No. It has not come

13:04

up yet. Oh, Forrest Gump. Yes, Forrest Gump. Yeah.

13:08

It is Forrest Gump. Oh, right. I talked

13:10

about it because of the production design or something like that.

13:12

When he shakes hands with Kennedy or one

13:14

of those types of shots. Yeah. That

13:16

wasn't real? That

13:20

was Rick Carter. Production designer Rick Carter had also worked

13:22

on Forrest Gump. There you go. Right.

13:25

1995, Jumanji was the perfection of hair and fur. Also

13:33

directed by Joe Johnson. I'm quibbling. Yeah.

13:36

Perfection. Perfect. Yeah.

13:39

That's not perfect. Pick it up with their website. Yeah.

13:42

1999, this was a big landmark one. I

13:45

don't have to tell any of you what happened

13:48

in 1999. The

13:50

millennium. The millennium. I

13:52

was going to say, we were all black. Y2K

13:56

and a certain menace called Jar Jar Binks

13:58

debuted in 1990. Oh, baby.

14:01

And Gollum

14:04

really overshadowed him, I mean,

14:06

like in terms of- Yeah, yeah. In

14:09

terms of- The second man gets the cheese on that one.

14:11

Right. Yeah, exactly.

14:13

The last one is the volume in 2019, the

14:15

volume debut. Of

14:18

course, they're using that over on

14:20

their television show. So ILM,

14:22

really a cutting edge, really

14:24

a pioneering company with that. Yeah. Yeah.

14:28

Have

14:28

you watched any of that docu-series

14:30

they put out on Disney Plus? It's pretty cool.

14:33

Yeah. Yeah. I think we

14:35

both liked it and highly recommend it to

14:37

people interested in that. Yeah, yeah.

14:40

I don't know that I finished it, but it was fascinating

14:43

to just see how much of a like

14:45

animal house it seemed to be for the first

14:48

year or two. Yeah. I

14:50

keep, it ended kind of, it

14:52

ended before special editions,

14:55

I think. I think it only went up to Jurassic Park. So

14:57

I wonder if they're planning on doing a second season of

14:59

it too. I thought they did a like professor

15:02

and Mary Ann of like, and all this other fun stuff, you

15:04

know, like after that. Right, but I wonder if they'll do a,

15:06

go into it in more detail then. I mean, I don't think,

15:09

I think like the real life character

15:11

stories all end with, aforementioned

15:14

Steve Spaz-Williams and Mark De Peay, who in like that

15:17

whole like bad boy, kind of like computer

15:19

generation, computer generated kind of

15:22

team, you know, kind

15:24

of like, that was the last story, notable

15:27

story to come out of ILM. After

15:29

that, it's all just kind of like, yep, people work there

15:31

and then they put it on the resume

15:34

and then they go work somewhere else and we're done. They

15:36

perfected human skin all the way back

15:38

in 1992. What else do you think they're

15:40

going to do? I don't like

15:42

it. Does Death but Comser

15:44

hold up? I've never seen it. I wonder if

15:46

it's- I, we just watched it recently,

15:49

like maybe in the last year or two,

15:51

because I had never seen it before and it was

15:53

fun. It's cute. It's like

15:56

got a little sort of

15:57

campiness. The effects.

16:01

are certainly, I would not describe any of the

16:03

effects as perfect, but they have that kind

16:05

of 90-cg

16:05

thing where it's

16:08

almost unreal enough that you're

16:10

more invested, kind of like how Pete you were

16:12

saying that the mask, the animatronic

16:14

eyes looked so good that it seemed

16:17

CGI, like this movie does not have that problem.

16:19

Yeah, it's the opposite. You can

16:22

tell it's all CGI, but there's like a charm

16:24

to that. You're like, oh thank God, you didn't really put that

16:26

candelabra through that woman. Exactly,

16:28

exactly. Yeah, it

16:31

is interesting how, go ahead Mike.

16:33

The like clean holes that you see

16:35

like through, I think it's Goldie Hawn who has

16:37

a hole like blasted through her body and like the

16:40

background is right, like everything does

16:42

look

16:43

right, but

16:45

uncanny enough that it's

16:47

cool. I did like the movie to answer

16:49

your question. I think it does have a bit of holding

16:51

up. Yeah. Special

16:54

effects seem to have a kind of like, you

16:56

can chart

16:57

how they go from being like cutting edge

16:59

to them being kind of like corny

17:02

and no one likes it, but then it gets back into like

17:04

people have nostalgia for the original, clunky

17:07

CGI animation that well,

17:10

so. We just talked about Batman

17:13

Forever and Batman and Robin. We've been doing Batman

17:16

once a month every month this year on

17:18

our show and John Dykstra

17:20

was the visual effects supervisor on that who of

17:23

course invented the motion control

17:25

camera on original Star

17:27

Wars movies, but those

17:30

special effects are decidedly that same

17:32

kind of like not quite

17:35

right, but we talked about

17:37

just

17:37

how how much we liked the

17:40

goopy 90s

17:42

colorful

17:44

character that they brought to

17:46

the movie, despite the movies not being all

17:48

that great. You don't

17:50

say. They hold a

17:53

very special place in a lot of people's hearts

17:55

is what I've discovered by posting about them

17:57

on my social media and getting a lot

17:59

of responses be like no this movie is great

18:01

and I'm like all right I'm not gonna fight

18:04

anybody this

18:06

is coming from an emotional place I can tell yeah

18:08

we're

18:10

not talking about Batman we're talking about Star Wars

18:13

credits right yeah do you

18:15

guys have it unfortunately that's about it for

18:17

what I had for the credits you guys have anything you wanted to bring

18:20

out my two names listed I wrote I

18:23

was like wait a minute this doesn't look right no Pete

18:26

no Pete's film but we do a

18:28

unit production manager DJ Carson

18:31

I'm assuming that stands for don't join Carson

18:34

yeah maybe it's non-union or something yeah

18:37

sibling of Ray Carson of course oh right New

18:39

York Times best selling out to Ray Carson that

18:41

that would

18:47

have been a fun another going back to you

18:49

know like Ray Ray who when she looks at me she's

18:51

DJ and he's just kind of like no when she's like

18:53

oh I pray nobody I'm not joining

18:57

Ray neutral yeah

19:02

and oh and then that's

19:04

just like you've been talking about the music this whole

19:06

time we wanted to thank the supervising music

19:09

editor Ramiro Belgart Belgart

19:13

sounds like real yeah our DT

19:15

Ramiro Belgart

19:17

totally could have been like either a pod

19:20

race yeah pod racer or a pilot

19:23

that they've you know some kind of or even

19:26

a planet I wonder what a characterization

19:28

of yeah

19:32

but yeah supervising music editor which is

19:34

again there's a whole you know

19:37

and again our friend Cassanti has helped us

19:40

it kind of unpack some of this but we

19:43

just think like oh music by John Williams if he would

19:45

just like sprang full from his head you

19:47

know like and the whole low

19:49

the whole you know movie was scored perfectly

19:52

but he apparently basically you

19:55

know kind of writes out some theme ideas and

19:57

there's orchestrators as people who go in and kind of you know

19:59

add that and it's all recorded and then as the movie

20:02

changes then that needs editing too which

20:04

is a whole different process. So

20:07

it's a whole world that I know nothing

20:10

about. So supervising music editor.

20:12

Ramiro, I don't know what you

20:14

do. But hats off. I'm glad you

20:17

do it. Let us know in the comments below what you

20:20

do. Seems like you were important,

20:22

I guess. Well,

20:26

I wanted to mention was we

20:28

do have the Imperial March. I just wanted to do it. This

20:30

is like kind

20:33

of a not a plug necessarily but Mike

20:35

and I recently well

20:37

in March of this year we did

20:40

our own March

20:43

Madness bracket but

20:45

about trying to figure out what the

20:48

best March song is. So we

20:52

had a lot of March songs

20:54

that we went through and

20:56

listened to and just and ranked and figured

20:58

out which one was the best and the Imperial March

21:01

got very very far in the bracket.

21:05

I believe it was up. Yeah, it's

21:07

really good. We every time we listen to it we were like

21:09

it's just undeniably a very good song.

21:11

Yeah, it's fantastic. We

21:13

got to the last the last matchup

21:16

was the Imperial March versus Stars

21:19

and Stripes Forever, I think. I think so. Yeah.

21:22

We have three entries from John Philip Sousa

21:24

because yeah, I mean, it's kind of should have

21:26

been limited to the front. Yeah, very

21:29

strong showing and the Sousa. Sousa

21:31

got a very strong showing. But that was our final

21:33

matchup and maybe you can tune in and see who wins.

21:35

You'll have to find that. Was that just for the Patreon

21:38

or was that on the main? I can't remember. I think we did

21:40

do it just for the Patreon but it's also broken

21:42

down into like 15 individual

21:45

TikToks on our TikTok page. I just wanted

21:47

to mention that we

21:49

have a special relationship with the Imperial March

21:51

and that it's good. Yeah, yeah, yes. And this is a good rendition

21:54

of it in these credits as well. I

21:56

have to say I do

21:59

the main theme in was

24:00

sad and disappointed.

24:04

Yeah. And

24:06

then I actually had a, I have a voice memo somewhere

24:08

on my phone to my email of Mike and

24:11

our friend, past and no doubt future guest of our show,

24:13

Michael Delaney, once again chatting him out, watching

24:16

it together. We recorded a

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special episode where we like recorded

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our predictions and or like

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excitement for the movie.

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And then

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we recorded initial reactions

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of after the movie. Like immediate, we just

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walked out of the theater reactions. Just

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on our phones. We just recorded them like, you know, talking

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to our phone like right afterwards. And they are, they

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are not, I don't know if they're entertaining to

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listen to. They're a little bit, they're

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a little bit of a downer, unfortunately.

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And that's my experience with this movie. I saw it alone

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in the theaters in the, in the middle of the

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crying in the best experience. Yeah.

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Just crying in this frozen tears, trickling.

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Yeah. So sad.

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It's a

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lot of stories about you crying in this week.

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I know. I'm a very good friend. Here's

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a joy on Christmas morning. Yeah.

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Uh,

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what about you, Mike? Any music stories?

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But first time you saw it, I don't think there

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really probably is much amusing. Although

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I do remember one of the like wild

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left

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field predictions, like that

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we made some predictions of like, I bet this

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will happen. I'm sure this probably

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will. And one of the things I think Michael even

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said was like, Ewok cameo.

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Yeah. And there,

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well, I remember that one specifically. I was like called

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shot. He got it. Yeah.

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Yeah. Nice. Yeah.

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We did, we did get two Ewoks. One familiar, one

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unknown, familiar one. Right. And

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wasn't it, wasn't it work Davis's son? Yeah.

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Work, it was wicked and then his son is wicked son.

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So yeah, that's really cute. Keep that

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in the family. Yeah, yeah, yeah All

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right Well to hear more of our thoughts if

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you want to because we have recorded two

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episodes of our show about

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this movie Yeah, all the

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Star Wars movies we've done a second episode

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on No, you can hear us talk about it twice if

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you want if that sounds like something that you'd be interested And

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do you identify how Star Wars

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these Star Wars movies are? Or is you just

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yeah, okay

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We yeah, and

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the scales broken Yeah,

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we have the we've only ever given one ten

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out of ten Was that

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so given it twice, but it was starting

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Return of the Jedi. Yeah, we think return

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of the Jedi is the most Star Wars

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thing Yeah, if you

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think about it, it makes sense And

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it doesn't at all it also doesn't make sense

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at all because they're all Star Wars movies Yeah All

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right guys, well, thanks for joining us here

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