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April seventeenth and the guy being impeached

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isn't the only one on thin ice.

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You start here: The

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House. Of Representatives. Sense Articles Of

0:42

Impeachment to the Senate. Harry

0:44

Harry Harry. But it

0:46

might be a bipartisan push that sends

0:49

the House Speaker packing Rember, all those

0:51

people jailed for storming the capital. Well,

0:53

we're still deciding if there's actually a

0:55

law against that. We've never had

0:58

a situation before where there's

1:00

been a situation like this.

1:03

Good people attempting to stop.

1:05

For Cd violently now could a supreme

1:07

court case of that Donald Trump and

1:10

they were told they were here for

1:12

their own good. but boogaard the guards.

1:14

He said you do have a really are coming. Out

1:16

exactly how I write it Will

1:18

break down the massive lawsuit against

1:21

probation officers for kids. From.

1:24

A B C News this Start here:

1:27

I'm bread milky. Of

1:33

all the responsibilities. That members of

1:35

Congress have impeachment might be the most

1:37

solemn. This is the only way to

1:39

congress is able to undo the result

1:42

of an election or presidential appointment. The

1:44

house can effectively bring charges. The Senate

1:46

then decides whether or not remove the

1:48

person will yesterday on the senate floor.

1:51

Harry Harry Harry.

1:53

The sergeant at arms and out that

1:55

several house Republicans had walked across the

1:58

capital to deliver articles have impeach. He's

2:02

visiting house members would act as

2:04

prosecutors, the senators as a jury,

2:06

and with that Homeland Security Secretary

2:08

alla hundred. my orcas became the

2:10

first member of a Presidential cabinet

2:12

to face the senate trial in

2:14

a hundred fifty years. The stakes

2:16

are high here from my Yorkers

2:18

for President Biden, for the senators

2:20

who have to act not just

2:22

as jurors, but also the judge.

2:24

They decide how this trial works.

2:26

And then they were Congressional Republicans

2:28

for navigating some very intense internal

2:30

politics Right now. let's. Get into all

2:32

this ahead of what's about to be an

2:34

action packed day on the hill. Rachel Paid

2:36

is contributing political correspondent for A B C

2:38

News. She's also the author a politico playbook.

2:40

Rachel. First off can just tell me what

2:42

about to happen in this impeachment trial and

2:44

whether there's gonna be an impeachment trial because

2:46

the know the senate democrats are not Sam's

2:48

of this. Will Brad they're gonna try to

2:50

get rid of this as soon as possible.

2:53

I've been targeted democrats in the senate about

2:55

this for a while now and everybody sort

2:57

of use this as a distraction an illegitimate

2:59

were impeachment As they like to say they

3:01

know that the founders didn't actually want impeachment

3:03

to be used for policy differences, yet that

3:05

is fundamentally what's this effort else May Orcas

3:08

is a bout and a lot of republicans

3:10

who are office are skeptical about this. The

3:12

question is, does that lasts for a few

3:14

hours or is it just a few minutes?

3:16

Do they vote to dismiss this right away

3:18

after their. Sort sworn in and begin the

3:21

trial or did they allow a few opening

3:23

arguments and then moved to dismiss it after

3:25

that? But way I guess I'm wondering, are

3:27

we gonna start seeing this more? We're. The.

3:30

Party. That is in charge of the senate.

3:32

If they don't like the charges will destroy

3:34

the case is a case dismissed rather them

3:36

even having the trial to they could imagine

3:38

what's your that would engender if this was

3:40

over Trump or Biden or Clinton or someone

3:43

will. Brad in the epilogue of a book I

3:45

wrote about the tempted Basements I actually medicine as

3:47

it is going to probably be something we see

3:49

happen in every single congress from now on. I

3:51

would not be surprised if that is the gates.

3:53

Wow! Which I guess that means yeah, if

3:55

you see if everyone's getting impedes than the

3:58

maneuvering to toss out the impeachment trial. Will

4:00

be normal as well. I'm let's talk about

4:02

the House Rachel because I know that's what

4:04

you've been focusing on like this week. Last

4:06

time we spoke, there was sort of concern

4:08

about whether House Speaker Mike Johnson might be

4:10

in trouble. Conservatives were upset with him for

4:13

working with Democrats on the budget. He wanted

4:15

to spend money on supporting Israel and Ukraine.

4:17

A lot of Republicans were skeptical of that.

4:19

Now he seems to be moving forward with

4:21

his big foreign aid for posts, all which

4:23

seems apparent. Whiskey right? What? Why is that.

4:25

A. Speaker in trouble and Republican conservatives

4:27

angry. As a tale as old as

4:30

time, Brad Johnson has been basically delaying

4:32

picking up to that Ukraine a aid

4:34

and else as a for Israel and

4:37

a bunch of other places for months

4:39

now and in part because conservatives have

4:41

threatened that if he does this he's

4:44

gonna lose his job. but given the

4:46

security situation around the world, he smile

4:48

me bringing these things forward Now he's

4:51

basically put for this plan that he

4:53

wants to have individual votes on these

4:55

issues. The senate voted on all of

4:58

them together and their the White House

5:00

actually one of the house Tiburon them

5:02

all together as well, but Johnson is

5:04

breaking them up and adding a few

5:06

or conservative provisions is hope is to

5:08

sort of mollify some republicans who don't

5:10

like her the idea of taking these

5:12

votes and try to keep his gavel.

5:14

I am not resigning, and it is.

5:16

It is, in my view, an absurd

5:19

notion that someone would bring a vacate

5:21

motion. And we're simply you're trying to

5:23

do our jobs. That is gonna be

5:25

a real challenge though. I mean we

5:27

are already hearing from people like Thomas

5:29

Massie, a conservative on the House Rules

5:31

Committee who have come out and joined

5:34

Marjorie Taylor Green and saying they want

5:36

Johnson Dawn that he should resign and

5:38

that they would be supporting a motion

5:40

to became because this is sort of

5:42

a final straw for them when it

5:44

comes to Ukraine. Wow. With and you're

5:46

saying that there was already a bill from the senate

5:48

where they're like we're gonna vote on all this at

5:50

once. He's almost making it so that you can kind

5:53

of pick and choose which country you're sending aid to,

5:55

and but there's flak for that. Like that's that's still

5:57

a real political risk for him. Yeah, and. He's doing

5:59

that because can the rated wanted him to

6:01

break it up they didn't wanna say okay

6:03

we're gonna have to vote for Ukraine in

6:05

order to back Israel. They wanted the opportunity

6:07

to support Israel but not support Ukraine and

6:09

that's what he did. However, after it passes

6:12

the house it's gonna be sort of sewn

6:14

into one package that goes into the center

6:16

and so the senate will have to vote

6:18

up or down on all of these things

6:20

are one. So even though they get the

6:22

separate both in the house or it doesn't

6:24

quite do it in the senate and so

6:26

people are. Angry is is this a victory for

6:28

the Biden White House? Then they're getting what like

6:30

be. Been asking for aid to these countries for

6:32

a long time. So it's an interesting

6:35

question. Brad and I was told by

6:37

a very good source on the hill

6:39

that's just minutes after Speaker Johnson released

6:41

this plan. President Joe Biden himself actually

6:43

pick up the phone and called the

6:45

speaker and said look I want you

6:47

to just take the Senate package if

6:49

you do it this way in the

6:52

house it could get complicated and bogged

6:54

down in sauce and said to him

6:56

look is either this way or basically

6:58

no ukraine. Aid. And

7:01

a few hours later I was talking to

7:03

other. Very. High ranking democrat on the

7:05

hills who are saying okay, maybe we can

7:07

swallow this. They're sort of seeing this as

7:09

their one shot rights. If they want to

7:11

get assistance to Ukraine, they are realizing they're

7:14

gonna have to give Johnson the flexibility to

7:16

get it done even if they don't like

7:18

the process and maybe don't like some of

7:20

those conservative provisions that he throwing and. Lots

7:22

of consternation from his left from the people

7:24

that want the a magazine has racism is

7:26

right for even in entertaining this thought you

7:28

think the one person good brought save his

7:30

job. Some these criticisms would be former President

7:32

Donald Trump. He does on a big joint

7:34

press conference with him last weeks without people

7:36

close to Trump or apparently telling you that

7:39

Trump was blindsided by Johnson's proposal especially with

7:41

which also started going around. So yeah Trump

7:43

is on board with this. Trust me on

7:45

this one guy you don't want to tick

7:47

off right now. it's probably hims are reachable

7:49

on the hill. Thank you thank you. Speaking

7:56

a former President Donald Trump's he was in

7:58

court yesterday to see potential. Is selected

8:00

for his criminal case in Manhattan that

8:02

will keep on going potentially for weeks.

8:05

But then in Washington Dc Yesterday a

8:07

different case was playing out in front

8:09

of the Supreme Court that could impact

8:11

another one of Trump's criminal cases. That

8:14

it could impact dozens and dozens of

8:16

convictions stemming from January Sixth. it's going

8:18

to a Bcs National correspondent Steven Portnoy

8:20

Steven: What is this case and one

8:23

of the arguments here? Who bread this

8:25

case specifically involves a policeman. From.

8:27

A small town about two hours north

8:30

west of Philadelphia. His name is Joseph

8:32

Fisher and he was charged with entering

8:34

the capital on January six and assaulting

8:37

fellow police officers. He was charged with

8:39

seven counts and among them the one

8:41

it issue before the high court yesterday

8:44

obstructing and official proceedings. More

8:49

than three hundred people have been charged

8:51

for that offense, including Donald Trump and

8:53

the question is, does that law actually

8:55

applies here? According

8:58

suppress the Kansas, despite. The

9:00

Fcc inquiry into one of it's

9:02

clients Anderson have begun to and

9:05

continued to shred documents related to

9:07

it's business dealings with Enron. This

9:09

particular section was passed by Congress in

9:12

Two Thousand Two in the wake of

9:14

the Enron and Arthur Andersen cases, which

9:16

demonstrated that was a loophole in the

9:18

law at the time when it came

9:21

to individuals shredding their own evidence. And

9:23

did not make any change to

9:25

that policy even after it was

9:27

out. A received a letter of

9:29

inquiry from the As D C.

9:31

So to close that loophole, The.

9:34

Lead sponsor of this particular section went

9:36

to the house floor and said that

9:38

he wanted to have a maximum penalty

9:40

of twenty years in prison for quote.

9:43

Documents. Shredding and other forms

9:45

of obstruction of justice. So.

9:48

In addition to altering, destroying,

9:50

mutilating, or concealing records, Congress

9:52

in Two Thousand Two said

9:55

it would also prohibit actions

9:57

that otherwise obstruct and official

9:59

proceed. Such. As a court

10:01

case or an investigation, the question

10:04

the supreme court is confronting now

10:06

he's to Congress intend for that

10:08

catch all provision to apply to

10:11

things unrelated to evidence. And.

10:13

Importantly, as the Justice Way this

10:16

did Congress intend to set a

10:18

twenty year maximum penalty. For.

10:20

A protest. Even a violent

10:22

one at the Us Capitol. Interested.

10:24

Because when we talk about official proceedings over the

10:26

last two years, who been talking about the proceedings

10:29

of counting the electoral votes, you're saying like that

10:31

this business law was ever created with that in

10:33

mind, And yet it's has huge ramifications ever since.

10:35

Prosecutors. Have been bringing hundreds

10:37

of cases under the statute arguing

10:40

that these January six defendants when

10:42

into the capital with express intent

10:44

of preventing the Congress from counting

10:46

the electoral votes and seeing to

10:48

Joe Biden. Election. As

10:50

presses the United States, we've never

10:52

had a situation before where their

10:54

spears a situation like this, with

10:56

people attempting to south of proceedings

10:59

violently. It was hard, however, to

11:01

get a read on the justices.

11:03

They were clearly divided yesterday. the

11:05

liberals lean into a plane reading

11:08

of the statute. Sonia Sotomayor compared

11:10

it to assign at a theater

11:12

you. Will be kicked out of the

11:14

theater if you photograph or record the

11:16

actors. Or otherwise disrupt

11:19

the performance is you start

11:21

yelling. I think no

11:23

one would question that you can

11:25

be expected to be kicked out

11:27

under this policy. Even

11:29

though yelling has nothing. To

11:32

do with photograph or recording

11:34

put conservatives Brad leaned into

11:36

the penalty. And the fact

11:38

that this particular statute had never

11:40

been used before January Six. To.

11:42

Punish protesters or anyone else

11:45

who demonstrated or or impeded

11:47

any kind of official proceedings.

11:49

Samuel Alito asked about the

11:51

demonstrations the he's seen this

11:54

week. Obstructing traffic on the

11:56

Golden Gate Bridge. And. He asked,

11:58

what about a protest on the. Is that

12:00

bring traffic across the Potomac River? What

12:02

is that? Delayed members of Congress on

12:05

their way to a hearing or a

12:07

vote? Only That's it. Efficiently, that's an

12:09

official proceeding. Your obstructing them. Neil Bortz,

12:12

It's past. What about a demonstration in

12:14

the Chamber of the Supreme Court itself

12:16

would sit in that disrupts the trial?

12:19

For access to a federal courthouse Qualify?

12:21

Would a heckler in today's audience qualify?

12:23

Or at the Seat of the Union

12:25

address, Could someone who does all that

12:28

really face up to twenty years. In

12:30

prison was that Congress is intent? The

12:32

Supreme Court's gonna have to answer that.

12:34

Wow. Okay, so that would have a

12:36

hugely destabilizing affect if he were to

12:38

sort of role this back hugely destabilizing

12:40

affect on all these prosecutions against the

12:42

January Six Writers We see. how would

12:44

it have Donald Trump. In the

12:47

Federal Election Interference case here in Washington,

12:49

Dc Donald Trump basis for counts in

12:51

that Federal indictment. Two of them are

12:53

related to the alleged obstruction of an

12:55

official proceeding. So if the High court

12:57

finds that that law should not apply

13:00

to the January Sixth riot, Jack Smith's

13:02

indictment in this case would be cut

13:04

in half. Now

13:08

there are other charges that would

13:10

still be pending against, including conspiracy

13:12

to defraud the United States and.

13:14

Depriving. Fellow Americans have their rights to

13:16

have their votes counted. But. That

13:19

Brad assumes that Trump will not

13:21

prevail. And. The immunity question that he's

13:23

raised. The court hears that next Thursday that

13:25

will be huge and the special counsel here

13:27

Jack Smith has said it even Espys January,

13:30

sick defendants or let off the hook He

13:32

said in a legal breathing the charges against

13:34

from should still stand because he's accused of

13:36

doing so much more to obstruct a proceeding

13:39

even when a file certificates with take electors

13:41

to get himself stillness president as team importantly

13:43

in Washington thank you so much. You bet.

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as can't start. I saw real a

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surreal as every brings up from heart

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memory this week on A B C

16:18

News like Prime our own Lindsay Davis

16:20

dug into a series of lawsuits involving

16:23

juvenile detention facilities in California. Us were

16:25

young women describe being abused by the

16:27

very people responsible for protecting them Us

16:29

A warning the some of the Saudi

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was gonna be graphic and disturbing it

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was for him. Lindsay Davis Now Lindsay

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What happened here? Bread. Or we're

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talking about multiple locations that

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L A County owns and

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operates and is responsible for

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rehabilitating a the youth and

16:47

on in. Several of these

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camps are now shut down.

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And stuff a place where problems can

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be turned into opportunities. One that we

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went to and actually focused on in

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particular with Can't Start. When

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you look at the outside it

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situated in L in this kind of

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mountainous area of really pretty. It

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looks like this kind of ideally kind

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of summer camp location. So

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eight, seven, zero, Zero

17:16

he went. With a woman

17:18

named A right now there and

17:21

also Akila of who had been

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roommates while they were there and

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got a laugh. Rise. Of

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her Re re. Run

17:32

talked about how she stated she was

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can have this better lies that she

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was gonna be rehabs. When I got

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here I was excited because I was

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told that I was gonna find discipline

17:43

I was gonna find rehabilitate said instead

17:46

they ended up being traumatized. Ends.

17:48

According to them, the people who

17:50

were charged with protecting them ended

17:52

up victimizing them. Are.

17:54

Either remember him happening and on

17:57

their time. It's hard when it's.

18:00

Progressive because everybody's dirty. I was like

18:02

for them to admit that they failed

18:04

as. You're. More than twenty five

18:06

hundred litigants in this lawsuit A

18:08

We spoke with three of them

18:10

dumb and need run Nell and

18:13

Akila arm and they all in

18:15

their lawsuit describe the that they

18:17

were forced to do sexual acts

18:19

that they did not wanna do

18:21

but felt powerless against everywhere I

18:23

look. Every everything that I see

18:26

i just see his face renounce

18:28

says in her lawsuit and she

18:30

tells. Me he had me lifts up nicer

18:32

to sell him my breasts I begged him

18:34

I said please make me do this he

18:36

said you do have a review hum an

18:38

obvious of how I writing. According to

18:41

them, some cases it was like a

18:43

meal in a bag of chips in

18:45

return for a sexual act that they

18:47

felt. Obligated another time on he made

18:50

me gravest thing is where my hands

18:52

he had to pain so he had

18:54

the power. With.

18:58

All these allegations you describing a reiterated

19:00

in these lawsuits these legal complaint counties

19:02

dealing with and some of the detail

19:04

accusations that what go beyond the facility

19:07

itself after these girls have left. Yet

19:09

so in some cases you had

19:11

probation officers who even after they

19:14

were out of juvenile detention, they

19:16

were responsible for keeping track of

19:18

of these young women. I remember

19:21

him telling me things like oh,

19:23

I love that your breasts are

19:25

just sprouting. He was really interested

19:27

in the fact that I was so

19:30

young. And her lawsuit dominate talks

19:32

about how her probation officer she

19:34

alleges or would take her to

19:36

a hotel and would regularly bleed

19:38

money for in a flower pot

19:41

at a gas station of assist.

19:43

Okay, well, I'm gonna pay you

19:45

two hundred dollars. I'm gonna

19:47

pick you up and he actually. Orgasm.

19:52

On the right. And civil tell. He

19:55

was interested in me. He paid me for.

19:57

Sex. And that's.

20:00

What I did. You're not old enough to consent,

20:02

and that's the tough thing about being a victim.

20:04

You never see it. That this person is

20:06

abusing their authority, You don't see. It

20:08

as them preying on you as being

20:10

a child she says this became routine

20:12

arm but she said that it was

20:15

something that she it. Sells. She

20:17

had to do. Were because probation I

20:19

was go save you break your probation than

20:21

that that has real consequences. Later on. Probation

20:23

obviously has as real consequences with

20:26

regard to if you skip schools.

20:28

Ah you know many of the

20:30

girls talk about different things that

20:32

they did that that would get

20:34

an cause them to returns on

20:37

to as the juvenile detention centers

20:39

but they also described in several

20:41

of these lawsuits that they are

20:43

time would be extended his they

20:45

didn't perform or these acts that

20:47

word demanded of them that even

20:50

when they worth following the rules

20:52

inside the juvenile. Detention locations that

20:54

they might have to get another

20:56

six months served just because they

20:59

didn't follow these demands. To

21:01

this report the debate describe in their losses

21:04

reporting it because I'm trying to figure out

21:06

how this would go on accounted for. I'm

21:08

in. To. The scenarios we do

21:10

have a dominate is who says it

21:12

that she reported it and then a

21:15

female officer came to her and said

21:17

he has a daughter. He. Has

21:19

a for where he has a lot to

21:21

lose. What is he lives?

21:24

I think I lost. My. Innocence.

21:27

According. To the complaint, Renown says that

21:29

when she told us email supervisors or

21:31

that the supervisor looked at her record

21:34

and said oh well You know we

21:36

see that that you as an eleven

21:38

year old were prostituting. As the

21:40

open my father she was like

21:42

well thomas. Looking that's or fall,

21:44

you can understand why. Kansas take your word for

21:46

it. I'd certainly they

21:49

describe in their lawsuit

21:51

beings are outright dismissed

21:53

or a dissuaded from

21:55

going forward or the

21:57

in the case of

21:59

ah. You are. She says

22:01

that when when she went forward

22:03

and then the supervisor than confronted

22:05

her directly and then she retracted

22:07

what she had said about him

22:09

as. As a remember him on top

22:11

of me and on there in time. And.

22:17

He's upset seven. As

22:21

as messing with him get not. An

22:24

when nobody else was. It.

22:28

Surprises me about this case

22:31

so much is that you

22:33

have thousands of complainants. You

22:36

have hundreds of accused. People.

22:38

Here involved And yet it

22:40

he stayed. So client and the

22:43

L a times to their credit

22:45

has done as several articles about

22:47

this are ongoing over the years

22:49

but largely this case has gone

22:51

unnoticed and I at when I

22:54

talk to the women about why

22:56

they think that is a state.

22:59

It. All of them individually said they

23:01

sell did they were dismissed because they

23:03

were largely black and brown and because

23:05

they felt the because they were in

23:07

juvenile detention that marked them in some

23:09

way that they are not to be

23:12

believed. The lot of these kids don't

23:14

have families. A lot of these kids

23:16

mothers and fathers are dealing with a

23:18

dick. Since prostitution and the criminal justice

23:20

system themselves, they're runaways. their border the

23:23

court so they know no one's coming

23:25

to look. For black and brown Black and

23:27

brown. Black. And Brown,

23:29

it's really just so unbelievable to me.

23:31

Just when you look at the scope

23:33

of how long this allegedly was allowed

23:36

to go on and and how many

23:38

accusers, men and women have come forward

23:40

or to say that this happened to

23:42

me too. So. What

23:45

is the probation department saying about all this? And

23:47

I guess what's what's being done in the meantime? The

23:50

probation department agreed or twice

23:52

to to do a sit

23:54

down interview with me, and

23:56

then both times cancelled it

23:58

now in fairness. The really

24:00

has been a revolving door of

24:02

leadership, so this has been going

24:05

back for decades. bread. However, I

24:07

will say it's ah. when we

24:09

were last there in February when

24:11

they canceled yet another officer had

24:13

been arrested for allegedly sexually abusing

24:15

are one of the children in

24:17

in their care of that, I

24:20

do want to tell you that

24:22

they released a statement to us

24:24

just yesterday with the Los Angeles

24:26

County Probation Department said the vast

24:28

majority of the lawsuits. Against the

24:31

County predate the current probation and

24:33

County leadership noting they have quote

24:35

repeatedly asked plaintiffs' attorneys for the

24:38

names of alleged defendants as we

24:40

want to ensure no alleged offenders

24:42

have contact with youth in our

24:45

care and vowing we take all

24:47

allegations of sexual misconduct seriously, investigate

24:49

each one, and that such misconduct

24:51

is absolutely deplorable, and we want

24:54

to do our best to ensure

24:56

that nothing like this happens. I

25:01

would love an apology from us

25:03

as his probation department. All of

25:05

the women describe feeling that they

25:08

are owed minimally an apology. They

25:10

feel they have collectively and individually

25:12

lost so much and they're not

25:14

thinking. About me. They went on with

25:16

their lives. I'm still trying to fix myself.

25:19

As though blaming. Myself for what I went through.

25:22

So it takes for us to be able to sit

25:24

here and do this. But so

25:26

as gotta do it. A killer. Said

25:28

that this is what Justice looks

25:30

like. A light beam shined that

25:32

their voices are finally heard and

25:35

they are finally seen. As

25:37

as if somebody well came

25:39

before us and. Is

25:42

slept under duress. Really?

25:45

Unbelievable stuff here. That amended semen from the

25:47

county by the way. also says they preferred

25:50

to with her probation officers to the local

25:52

District Attorney's office. A Lindsay Davis anchoring A

25:54

B C News live Prime Rate reporting Thank

25:56

you so much bread! Thank you. What

26:01

what quick break When we come back, good

26:04

luck trying to quell these campus arguments. The

26:06

schools motto is fight on One less thing

26:08

is max. Me:

26:13

As you see a highly evolved every

26:15

day waiting for the so well the

26:17

topics are still have the ladies the

26:20

zebra into the moon that new to

26:22

the a year is used as a

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meeting will find solutions wherever you get

26:26

your podcast. Abundance.

26:32

Of all the things and a college

26:34

commencement, the one thing I don't think

26:36

others particularly controversial is a valedictorian speech

26:38

with a person who got straight A's

26:40

gets to come out, make a speech,

26:42

inevitably, kill everyone. How are all going

26:44

to change the world together? everyone Fab!

26:46

She graduates or at the University of

26:49

Southern California this week. There is a

26:51

few are developing on campus over whether

26:53

the valedictorian gets to speak at all.

26:56

Recently. Us. He announced his valedictorian

26:58

is a young woman named us

27:00

not assume I'd so everyone that

27:02

the doing this and himself as

27:04

the best decision of say life.

27:06

She's from the area, she studies

27:09

biomedical engineering, and she volunteers at

27:11

homeless encampments on skid Row sticks

27:13

blood pressure. She's also South Asian,

27:15

identifying as Muslim, and she's expressed

27:17

sympathy for Palestinians in Gaza Will

27:19

As soon as her name was

27:21

announced, Jewish groups on campus were

27:23

furious. The group Trojans for Israel

27:26

accused. Her of trafficking and anti semitic

27:28

rhetoric at issue here doesn't appear to

27:30

be any worse he's ever actually said,

27:33

but rather social media posts Like in

27:35

least she's posts and equivalency far like

27:37

Saudi things easier than lighting and like

27:39

throwing on social media. For instance, the

27:42

Campus group claimed that on her bio

27:44

she linked to a paid the called

27:46

Zionism a racist settler colonial ideology and

27:49

called for the abolish mint of Israel.

27:51

But that same page apparently invites people

27:53

to learn more about how to help

27:56

suffering Palestinians. That to tell what

27:58

message Simmons trying to send through their

28:00

linked in. This the key question and

28:02

so much the debate around the conflict

28:04

in Gaza. Right now there are lots

28:06

of legitimate reason someone might oppose Israel's

28:08

government or military actions. They were Jews

28:10

living in Israel who think the same

28:12

way. On the other hand, there's a

28:15

big difference between a criticizing the government

28:17

and saying jews shouldn't govern their own

28:19

state. That Anti Defamation Group say is

28:21

we're bigotry begins. When

28:23

all that remains a all

28:26

those profits profits in a

28:28

club on the campuses. Are

28:30

how they are acting or you know

28:33

his last movie I know. So where

28:35

does the spit in the Valedictorian selection?

28:37

well you see is not answered this

28:39

question but on Monday the university cancelled

28:41

troublesome speech anyway the said they were

28:44

now safety concerns surrounding the commencement and

28:46

that the tom surrounding it has created

28:48

substantial risks that assume says she's skeptical

28:50

after all us he has that detailed

28:52

any specific threats and her mind as

28:54

a simply away the key to outside

28:57

pressure without having to take a stand

28:59

Just as called. I implore my you

29:01

will see classmates to think outside the

29:03

box to work towards the world were

29:05

cries for equality and human dignity or

29:07

not manipulated to be expressions of each

29:09

read. In the meantime he was he's

29:11

commencement is set for May tenth with

29:13

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